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20:09 vex neat accounting asciilifeform. hodl
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20:32 vex in other wallet inspections.. cdd yall tooled up for next weekend?
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20:53 vex fuck the lectures off, grab a beer and watch capture the flag
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21:01 vex asciilifeform, do you have provisions for foundation funds in the event of your demise?
21:04 vex it's commonplace to mention unlikely before demise, but who are we kidding?
21:04 vex we're not making 500 yet
21:05 asciilifeform vex: considering that nobody to date volunteered -- /dev/null
21:05 vex ohshit
21:05 asciilifeform vex: it aint as if there's a megafortune in there, lol
21:06 vex fwiw, i'd love to live to 500. "it's pronounced ~holed~, not ~hod-el~!"
21:07 vex ideally it'd go back to jurov imo
21:07 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere jurov
21:07 dulapbot jurov last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-11-11 09:00:08: yes it's fine, i was under impression you won't touch the splitcoins with ten foot pole :)
21:07 asciilifeform vex: fella cleanly washed hands, asciilifeform dun expect him to return
21:07 vex i see
21:08 vex ben's busy
21:09 vex !q seen-anywhere mod6
21:09 dulapbot mod6 last seen in #asciilifeform on 2022-01-09 16:47:21: < asciilifeform> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071636 << you may've been the 1st to actually test that knob << sure, ditto the same with whaack's nick.
21:09 * shinohai would gladly assist in future trb foundation endeavours if it ever is organised again.
21:09 asciilifeform !q seen cgra
21:09 dulapbot cgra last seen here on 2022-04-11 10:25:10: asciilifeform: by 'plugged shut' i mean, even if all the known trb oom disease was cured, there's still a middle-man who can fake incoming messages to whatever he feels like, such as invalid, ban-inducing blocks, and cause trb to ban each and every traditional peer
21:11 * asciilifeform atm 'judge, jury, executioner'(tm)(r)
21:11 * asciilifeform last had chance to do anyffin pertinent in feb.
21:12 asciilifeform + oblig thrd.
21:12 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-19 14:50:13 asciilifeform: ( if e.g. tbf piggy suddenly amts to sumthing other than dryer lint, could rethink selected aspects of this, but otherwise is as it is )
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21:27 * vex suspects the lint traps get checked often at casa alf
21:29 vex 38, 9, fucking 34bc!
21:30 phf asciilifeform: in totally unrelated is your pest still on 71.114.46.117?
21:44 phf ah it is nevermind
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22:07 asciilifeform phf: still same aha
22:08 asciilifeform vex: ~34
22:09 asciilifeform imho abundantly obv that it aint remotely enuff to do anyffin interesting
22:10 vex I suspect mrs alf knows how to work a machine
22:11 asciilifeform ftr doesn't. 'dun tell me the launch codes, i can't promise to take the cyanide'
22:11 vex smart lady
22:12 vex I'l' bet she tells you "stop wahing ammo"!
22:12 asciilifeform when asciilifeform is killed, all you folx will get an epsilon richer.
22:12 vex yeah. right
22:12 asciilifeform well yes.
22:12 asciilifeform is wat happens when 'hodlers' bite it
22:12 asciilifeform thinkaboutit
22:13 vex of course.
22:16 * vex presusmes alf will exit ripe at >90
22:23 thehorrors hi asciilifeform. I was reading the pest spec. Wanted to know your thoughts about the use case for it - I can't say it is completely clear to me
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22:26 thehorrors also, my understanding is that I would still need some kind of a server-station with a static IP, would I not?
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22:44 * mod6 waves at vex
22:44 mod6 now that he's gone, and I'm here. *shrug*
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23:08 signpost thehorrors: what's the use-case for the fault tolerance in the design of the internet itself?
23:08 asciilifeform ^
23:08 thehorrors oh hi signpost
23:10 signpost thehorrors: hello. so what would you say?
23:10 thehorrors I don't think I am asking about the fault tolerance in pest
23:12 * vex slaps mod6 about with a wet fish
23:12 thehorrors I am thinking more about "how is it different compared to alternatives" - what are the benefits?
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23:12 signpost no one's trying to sell it to you, so you're going about it incorrectly.
23:12 thehorrors no, I am just trying to understand is all
23:13 signpost then why did you dismiss my question?
23:13 thehorrors because I didn't think it was relevant
23:13 signpost you're incorrect, sweetie. what can I say.
23:15 signpost perhaps an assemblage of men need not rely upon the ability of one to maintain ownership of a particular IP, or a particular DNS record.
23:15 signpost it says much of the politics of your environment that this part is irrelevant.
23:17 thehorrors that was the second part of my question: my understanding was that pest does not prevent the need for a static IP
23:19 signpost eh, I'm not doing another one of these "what does the news mean to me" conversations.
23:20 signpost the way all you replicants communicate doesn't merit the word.
23:21 thehorrors I don't think you want to have any conversation with me whatsoever, so why bother?
23:21 vex buck up princess
23:24 signpost http://pestnet.io/whitepaper.html#24-the-at <<
23:24 signpost "the AT is automatically updated by the station when any cryptographically-valid packet is received from a new (i.e. not currently in the AT) address."
23:26 thehorrors yes, this only works if the station in question has a static IP
23:28 signpost explain your reasoning.
23:29 thehorrors If I talk to you and you talk to me. Then we say goodnight and disconnect until tomorrow. How do we find each other the next time?
23:30 signpost supposing you both change, you'll have to signal the change through your remaining peers.
23:30 thehorrors what if there are none or none of them have a static address?
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23:30 signpost say, send a gpg-gram with new peering info.
23:30 thehorrors through what channel?
23:32 signpost what would you propose happens in this scenario other than signaling by external means?
23:33 thehorrors thats my point. and the question - why have pest if there is a need for external needs that are already usable anyway? But those all need static address /unless/ you have an overlay network
23:34 crtdaydreams ttp://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110747 wouldn't this be an example of when you use the /achtung command to update yourself in all your peers AT?
23:34 signpost thehorrors: then don't use it bud.
23:35 signpost this posturing where you approach others and ask them to sell you something is vulgar american culture.
23:35 signpost obviously you have to have external signaling to establish any encrypted connection securely.
23:35 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110676 << gotta get my lappy ready w/ gentoo (currently still on void) and vms
23:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-06 20:32:13 vex: in other wallet inspections.. cdd yall tooled up for next weekend?
23:37 thehorrors signpost: assumption upon assumption. I am simply asking questions to understand the subject better and to see if I am missing something that others figured out
23:37 crtdaydreams should be a fun adventure getting qemu working on gentoo, setup will prevent base operating system having network access and hand io controller for network card straight to vm
23:38 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110677 << s/watch/play/
23:38 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-06 20:53:18 vex: fuck the lectures off, grab a beer and watch capture the flag
23:38 vex glhf
23:38 signpost even just sending a pest packet to every IP in the v4 range is feasible.
23:39 thehorrors crtdaydreams: that would work if you have > 1 peers, at least one with reliable address.
23:41 signpost taking a step back, if one's satisfied with centralized protocols, enjoy them.
23:41 thehorrors signpost: okay, that would fine I suppose. Assuming the peer you are looking for is online. One can think of a periodic proadcast perhaps?
23:41 thehorrors *broadcast
23:41 vex i smell retard
23:42 signpost vex: you can't menace anyone over the internet. it's a huge step backward for culture.
23:42 thehorrors I am not satisfied with centralized protocols, that's the reason I am digging around
23:42 vex sorry, that was the wrong word. I have mentally challenged poeple in my circle
23:43 signpost it's wild how many ways a sentence can be interpreted.
23:44 signpost that one cannot use body language to cut through coy interpersonal bullshit over the internet is a huge step backwards for culture.
23:44 vex its pronounced holed
23:49 crtdaydreams thehorrors: if you write yer own impl. nothing to prevent from flooding packets in the name of updating your AT, but realistically such behaviour will most likely get you unpeered
23:51 thehorrors my understanding of the spec is that peers who don't recognize the packets will just quietly drop them, so maybe that wouldn't be that bad? Unless operators explicitly monitor traffic and firewall these addresses
23:52 thehorrors (why would they if I send a single broadcast message every 10 min say?) I think there is a way to get in trouble with your ISP with that though
23:53 vex peer discovery ain't no barbie shit
23:54 crtdaydreams how often do you realistically pingpong IPs that you need to broadcast all the time?
23:57 thehorrors well it all depeds, right? How big your AT is, how long you've been away, etc. If you are the only peer in my AT and I want to talk to you once a week versus if I have a net of 100 addresses and I talk to them every day
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