20:09 |
vex |
neat accounting asciilifeform. hodl |
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20:32 |
vex |
in other wallet inspections.. cdd yall tooled up for next weekend? |
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20:53 |
vex |
fuck the lectures off, grab a beer and watch capture the flag |
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21:01 |
vex |
asciilifeform, do you have provisions for foundation funds in the event of your demise? |
21:04 |
vex |
it's commonplace to mention unlikely before demise, but who are we kidding? |
21:04 |
vex |
we're not making 500 yet |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
vex: considering that nobody to date volunteered -- /dev/null |
21:05 |
vex |
ohshit |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
vex: it aint as if there's a megafortune in there, lol |
21:06 |
vex |
fwiw, i'd love to live to 500. "it's pronounced ~holed~, not ~hod-el~!" |
21:07 |
vex |
ideally it'd go back to jurov imo |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen-anywhere jurov |
21:07 |
dulapbot |
jurov last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-11-11 09:00:08: yes it's fine, i was under impression you won't touch the splitcoins with ten foot pole :) |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
vex: fella cleanly washed hands, asciilifeform dun expect him to return |
21:07 |
vex |
i see |
21:08 |
vex |
ben's busy |
21:09 |
vex |
!q seen-anywhere mod6 |
21:09 |
dulapbot |
mod6 last seen in #asciilifeform on 2022-01-09 16:47:21: < asciilifeform> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071636 << you may've been the 1st to actually test that knob << sure, ditto the same with whaack's nick. |
21:09 |
* |
shinohai would gladly assist in future trb foundation endeavours if it ever is organised again. |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen cgra |
21:09 |
dulapbot |
cgra last seen here on 2022-04-11 10:25:10: asciilifeform: by 'plugged shut' i mean, even if all the known trb oom disease was cured, there's still a middle-man who can fake incoming messages to whatever he feels like, such as invalid, ban-inducing blocks, and cause trb to ban each and every traditional peer |
21:11 |
* |
asciilifeform atm 'judge, jury, executioner'(tm)(r) |
21:11 |
* |
asciilifeform last had chance to do anyffin pertinent in feb. |
21:12 |
asciilifeform |
+ oblig thrd. |
21:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 14:50:13 asciilifeform: ( if e.g. tbf piggy suddenly amts to sumthing other than dryer lint, could rethink selected aspects of this, but otherwise is as it is ) |
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21:27 |
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vex suspects the lint traps get checked often at casa alf |
21:29 |
vex |
38, 9, fucking 34bc! |
21:30 |
phf |
asciilifeform: in totally unrelated is your pest still on 71.114.46.117? |
21:44 |
phf |
ah it is nevermind |
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22:07 |
asciilifeform |
phf: still same aha |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
vex: ~34 |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
imho abundantly obv that it aint remotely enuff to do anyffin interesting |
22:10 |
vex |
I suspect mrs alf knows how to work a machine |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
ftr doesn't. 'dun tell me the launch codes, i can't promise to take the cyanide' |
22:11 |
vex |
smart lady |
22:12 |
vex |
I'l' bet she tells you "stop wahing ammo"! |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
when asciilifeform is killed, all you folx will get an epsilon richer. |
22:12 |
vex |
yeah. right |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
well yes. |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
is wat happens when 'hodlers' bite it |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
thinkaboutit |
22:13 |
vex |
of course. |
22:16 |
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vex presusmes alf will exit ripe at >90 |
22:23 |
thehorrors |
hi asciilifeform. I was reading the pest spec. Wanted to know your thoughts about the use case for it - I can't say it is completely clear to me |
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22:26 |
thehorrors |
also, my understanding is that I would still need some kind of a server-station with a static IP, would I not? |
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22:44 |
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mod6 waves at vex |
22:44 |
mod6 |
now that he's gone, and I'm here. *shrug* |
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23:08 |
signpost |
thehorrors: what's the use-case for the fault tolerance in the design of the internet itself? |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
23:08 |
thehorrors |
oh hi signpost |
23:10 |
signpost |
thehorrors: hello. so what would you say? |
23:10 |
thehorrors |
I don't think I am asking about the fault tolerance in pest |
23:12 |
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vex slaps mod6 about with a wet fish |
23:12 |
thehorrors |
I am thinking more about "how is it different compared to alternatives" - what are the benefits? |
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23:12 |
signpost |
no one's trying to sell it to you, so you're going about it incorrectly. |
23:12 |
thehorrors |
no, I am just trying to understand is all |
23:13 |
signpost |
then why did you dismiss my question? |
23:13 |
thehorrors |
because I didn't think it was relevant |
23:13 |
signpost |
you're incorrect, sweetie. what can I say. |
23:15 |
signpost |
perhaps an assemblage of men need not rely upon the ability of one to maintain ownership of a particular IP, or a particular DNS record. |
23:15 |
signpost |
it says much of the politics of your environment that this part is irrelevant. |
23:17 |
thehorrors |
that was the second part of my question: my understanding was that pest does not prevent the need for a static IP |
23:19 |
signpost |
eh, I'm not doing another one of these "what does the news mean to me" conversations. |
23:20 |
signpost |
the way all you replicants communicate doesn't merit the word. |
23:21 |
thehorrors |
I don't think you want to have any conversation with me whatsoever, so why bother? |
23:21 |
vex |
buck up princess |
23:24 |
signpost |
http://pestnet.io/whitepaper.html#24-the-at << |
23:24 |
signpost |
"the AT is automatically updated by the station when any cryptographically-valid packet is received from a new (i.e. not currently in the AT) address." |
23:26 |
thehorrors |
yes, this only works if the station in question has a static IP |
23:28 |
signpost |
explain your reasoning. |
23:29 |
thehorrors |
If I talk to you and you talk to me. Then we say goodnight and disconnect until tomorrow. How do we find each other the next time? |
23:30 |
signpost |
supposing you both change, you'll have to signal the change through your remaining peers. |
23:30 |
thehorrors |
what if there are none or none of them have a static address? |
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23:30 |
signpost |
say, send a gpg-gram with new peering info. |
23:30 |
thehorrors |
through what channel? |
23:32 |
signpost |
what would you propose happens in this scenario other than signaling by external means? |
23:33 |
thehorrors |
thats my point. and the question - why have pest if there is a need for external needs that are already usable anyway? But those all need static address /unless/ you have an overlay network |
23:34 |
crtdaydreams |
ttp://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110747 wouldn't this be an example of when you use the /achtung command to update yourself in all your peers AT? |
23:34 |
signpost |
thehorrors: then don't use it bud. |
23:35 |
signpost |
this posturing where you approach others and ask them to sell you something is vulgar american culture. |
23:35 |
signpost |
obviously you have to have external signaling to establish any encrypted connection securely. |
23:35 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110676 << gotta get my lappy ready w/ gentoo (currently still on void) and vms |
23:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-06 20:32:13 vex: in other wallet inspections.. cdd yall tooled up for next weekend? |
23:37 |
thehorrors |
signpost: assumption upon assumption. I am simply asking questions to understand the subject better and to see if I am missing something that others figured out |
23:37 |
crtdaydreams |
should be a fun adventure getting qemu working on gentoo, setup will prevent base operating system having network access and hand io controller for network card straight to vm |
23:38 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-06#1110677 << s/watch/play/ |
23:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-06 20:53:18 vex: fuck the lectures off, grab a beer and watch capture the flag |
23:38 |
vex |
glhf |
23:38 |
signpost |
even just sending a pest packet to every IP in the v4 range is feasible. |
23:39 |
thehorrors |
crtdaydreams: that would work if you have > 1 peers, at least one with reliable address. |
23:41 |
signpost |
taking a step back, if one's satisfied with centralized protocols, enjoy them. |
23:41 |
thehorrors |
signpost: okay, that would fine I suppose. Assuming the peer you are looking for is online. One can think of a periodic proadcast perhaps? |
23:41 |
thehorrors |
*broadcast |
23:41 |
vex |
i smell retard |
23:42 |
signpost |
vex: you can't menace anyone over the internet. it's a huge step backward for culture. |
23:42 |
thehorrors |
I am not satisfied with centralized protocols, that's the reason I am digging around |
23:42 |
vex |
sorry, that was the wrong word. I have mentally challenged poeple in my circle |
23:43 |
signpost |
it's wild how many ways a sentence can be interpreted. |
23:44 |
signpost |
that one cannot use body language to cut through coy interpersonal bullshit over the internet is a huge step backwards for culture. |
23:44 |
vex |
its pronounced holed |
23:49 |
crtdaydreams |
thehorrors: if you write yer own impl. nothing to prevent from flooding packets in the name of updating your AT, but realistically such behaviour will most likely get you unpeered |
23:51 |
thehorrors |
my understanding of the spec is that peers who don't recognize the packets will just quietly drop them, so maybe that wouldn't be that bad? Unless operators explicitly monitor traffic and firewall these addresses |
23:52 |
thehorrors |
(why would they if I send a single broadcast message every 10 min say?) I think there is a way to get in trouble with your ISP with that though |
23:53 |
vex |
peer discovery ain't no barbie shit |
23:54 |
crtdaydreams |
how often do you realistically pingpong IPs that you need to broadcast all the time? |
23:57 |
thehorrors |
well it all depeds, right? How big your AT is, how long you've been away, etc. If you are the only peer in my AT and I want to talk to you once a week versus if I have a net of 100 addresses and I talk to them every day |