| 00:11 |
crtdaydreams |
do you guys compile sbcl standalone outside portage, or with it? |
| 00:13 |
shinohai |
I usually compile outside of portage personally. |
| 00:16 |
crtdaydreams |
can you elaborate a bit more on that? e.g. are you still using portage to manage libs and most of dep hell? |
| 00:19 |
shinohai |
crtdaydreams: There really wasn't any dep hell for me, I wrote post on what I did for musl-Gentoo here. |
| 00:19 |
shinohai |
But most of the steps sans patches likely the same. |
| 00:19 |
shinohai |
(if on a glibc system) |
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| 00:50 |
crtdaydreams |
oh kewl |
| 00:51 |
crtdaydreams |
specifically asking for apps say firefox (if you use boatware)\ |
| 00:51 |
crtdaydreams |
with over9000 deps |
| 00:52 |
shinohai |
Weird. |
| 00:56 |
signpost |
lol |
| 00:57 |
signpost |
sbcl is asking for firefox? |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
wat |
| 00:59 |
crtdaydreams |
wat |
| 00:59 |
crtdaydreams |
no lol |
| 00:59 |
* |
crtdaydreams forgets they don't do telepathy in the city |
| 01:01 |
crtdaydreams |
dw about it. i'll figure it out eventually |
| 01:02 |
signpost |
sbcl ftr does not have 9000 deps. |
| 01:02 |
shinohai |
Perfect opportunity to try and `emerge` something and play around with USE flags |
| 01:03 |
signpost |
included it in my own distro in an afternoon. |
| 01:03 |
shinohai |
^ |
| 01:03 |
shinohai |
Worx a++ btw signpost, was tinkering with scripts in it earlier. |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw sbcl emerges cleanly on dulap and rk gentoo |
| 01:04 |
signpost |
cool. still think crtdaydreams is best off learning gentoo first, so he knows from where I'm shamelessly lifting good ideas. |
| 01:04 |
crtdaydreams |
signpost: lol :P |
| 01:05 |
crtdaydreams |
getting weird error with sbcl through portage; "can't find sbcl.core" when I run it |
| 01:05 |
crtdaydreams |
I'll try w/ out. I got the full emerge log i'll post in a sec |
| 01:06 |
shinohai |
crtdaydreams: betcha it will run if you try `sbcl --core /usr/lib64/sbcl/sbcl.core ` |
| 01:07 |
crtdaydreams |
shinohai: what begets this wizardry!?! |
| 01:08 |
shinohai |
iirc it's a bug in the profile, sourcing `/etc/profile` mite also have worked. |
| 01:08 |
crtdaydreams |
nao got (require :asdf nil) throwing an error :| |
| 01:08 |
crtdaydreams |
ah |
| 01:08 |
crtdaydreams |
ahah |
| 01:08 |
crtdaydreams |
i see |
| 01:08 |
crtdaydreams |
yeppers. thankyou muchly |
| 01:09 |
shinohai |
np! |
| 01:10 |
crtdaydreams |
is /etc/profile something to do with refreshing envvars? |
| 01:10 |
shinohai |
Yup |
| 01:11 |
crtdaydreams |
cool |
| 01:11 |
crtdaydreams |
appreciate the help |
| 01:12 |
crtdaydreams |
I wonder, is my approach to getting help with problem-solving a little dicky? Should I be more direct with my issue so we're not jumping hoops all the time? |
| 01:14 |
crtdaydreams |
I don't want to be resorting to asking peeps all the time "err wat dou here" |
| 01:14 |
shinohai |
Well naturally ya need to share as much info as you can, pasting barfs generally helps you get help quicker. |
| 01:15 |
crtdaydreams |
right. also doesn't clog logs |
| 01:15 |
shinohai |
99% of time searching Gentoo wiki solved my issues, but I'm more of a "reading" learner. |
| 01:15 |
* |
signpost never faulted anyone not knowing, only refusing to learn. |
| 01:16 |
signpost |
gotta fall out of your mother somewhere. |
| 01:16 |
crtdaydreams |
shinohai: first instinct is to google, but gets stuck moment has to read anything beyond stackoverflow. probably due for a change lol |
| 01:16 |
crtdaydreams |
s/first/my first/ |
| 01:17 |
crtdaydreams |
signpost: lol. big difference between falling out and getting shot out at mach 2 |
| 01:19 |
shinohai |
Yeah gonna have to do some spelunking beyond stackoverflow to find the meaty bits sometimes. |
| 01:20 |
crtdaydreams |
shinohai: I've considered grinding LFS, which might be a better approach to learning everything *because you have to* then moving back to gentoo to preserve my sanity |
| 01:20 |
* |
shinohai could find almost zero on the interwebs when he wanted to shove a Gentoo chroot onto android for example |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-18#1102904 << see also |
| 01:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-18 17:56:33 billymg: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-use-hardware-wallet-cryptocurrency-ledger-coinbase-ehter-bitcoin-2022-5 << i'm not sure how to feel about things like this, a few days after the heavily publicized "coinbase keeps your coins in the event of bankruptcy" disclosure |
| 01:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-04-21 14:36:23 asciilifeform: however never tried 'ledger', 'trezor', etc. given as these all have asinine design which requires a pc with prb. defeating the entire nominal purpose of the box. |
| 01:22 |
crtdaydreams |
signpost: does pentacle use "use flags", "masking" etc. and other ideas lifted from portage? |
| 01:27 |
* |
crtdaydreams must go now |
| 01:27 |
crtdaydreams |
thanks all o/ |
| 01:34 |
signpost |
masking of the kind gentoo uses isn't needed. if you don't want someone's software, don't have them in your wot directory, and don't download their vpatches. |
| 01:34 |
signpost |
trust is in authors, not packages. |
| 01:35 |
signpost |
I did lift use flags to control optional components and behavior. |
| 01:35 |
shinohai |
I support the Ukraine so had to remove asciilifeform from my wot |
| 01:35 |
shinohai |
^__^ |
| 01:36 |
signpost |
I'm gonna get ahead of the game and put some "Free Taiwan!" comments in there. |
| 01:37 |
shinohai |
all USE flags in pentacle gonna be national flags of whatever the current thing is. |
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| 03:42 |
phf |
install sbcl +🇺🇦🇿🇼🇹🇼 |
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| 07:19 |
punkman |
http://www.libyanwarthetruth.com/who-are-james-and-joanne-moriarty-our-story-intro |
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| 07:37 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-18#1102910 << related ledger lulz https://monokh.com/posts/ledger-app-isolation-bypass |
| 07:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-18 18:02:37 shinohai: iirc Ledger has capabilities to store "over 9000!" altcoinz |
| 07:38 |
punkman |
and before that, https://saleemrashid.com/2018/03/20/breaking-ledger-security-model/ |
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| 08:02 |
punkman |
https://mastodon.social/@lrvick/108274265429826806 << I wonder if there's a language with "package repository" that only allows signed updates |
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| 12:46 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-18#1102979 << bwahahahaha |
| 12:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-18 23:40:30 phf: install sbcl +🇺🇦🇿🇼🇹🇼 |
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| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-19#1102983 << all extant 'iron wallets' retarded on multiple levels. (e.g. even allowing firmware update via software at all, to start with) |
| 13:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-19 03:36:28 punkman: and before that, https://saleemrashid.com/2018/03/20/breaking-ledger-security-model/ |
| 13:47 |
shinohai |
$ticker btc usd |
| 13:47 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $29477.29 |
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| 14:16 |
asciilifeform |
cheapcoinz!111 |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-19#1102980 << basics -- 100% fact afaik, and well-known errywhere outside of angloreich |
| 14:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-19 03:18:00 punkman: http://www.libyanwarthetruth.com/who-are-james-and-joanne-moriarty-our-story-intro |
| 14:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-19#1102984 << 'signed' means ~0 w/out a coherent concept of wot. so nope, not to date |
| 14:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-05-19 04:00:23 punkman: https://mastodon.social/@lrvick/108274265429826806 << I wonder if there's a language with "package repository" that only allows signed updates |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
upstack, re: 'iron wallets' -- see also e.g. |
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| 14:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-26 17:26:54 asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'duct tape and chewing gum' ciphermachines, is that it is very, very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've achieved something, when in fact you have led yourself and -- worse, possibly people with actual secrets to protect -- to the chopping block, by putting same linux+opensores liquishitware into pocket-sized vaguely-ciphermachine-like package. |
| 14:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-01-04 18:14:23 asciilifeform: it's a lemon market, the homeopaths will always control the chump-change segment, while the crypto-ag types will control the golden-toilet segment. while actual rng that actually non-whiteningly worx, 'doesn't exist, never existed, what kinda terrorist are you to ask' |
| 14:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-06-12 17:12:19 asciilifeform: the 'coldcardwallet' link is lulzy. e.g. 'The secure element and critical parts of the main micro are covered by epoxy at the factory. Our clear case is part of our security model too, so you can look and see if a "hardware implant" has been inserted inside your device.' 'Real crypto security chip. Your private key is stored in a dedicated security chip, not the main micro's flash.' i.e. fughetttabout audi |
| 14:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-02-11 18:58:13 asciilifeform: 'low-information konsoomer' always eventually gets the iron/softs he deserves. crypto aint any sort of special case. |