Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans

← 2022-05-18 | 2022-05-20 →
00:11 crtdaydreams do you guys compile sbcl standalone outside portage, or with it?
00:13 shinohai I usually compile outside of portage personally.
00:16 crtdaydreams can you elaborate a bit more on that? e.g. are you still using portage to manage libs and most of dep hell?
00:19 shinohai crtdaydreams: There really wasn't any dep hell for me, I wrote post on what I did for musl-Gentoo here.
00:19 shinohai But most of the steps sans patches likely the same.
00:19 shinohai (if on a glibc system)
~ 31 minutes ~
00:50 crtdaydreams oh kewl
00:51 crtdaydreams specifically asking for apps say firefox (if you use boatware)\
00:51 crtdaydreams with over9000 deps
00:52 shinohai Weird.
00:56 signpost lol
00:57 signpost sbcl is asking for firefox?
00:57 asciilifeform wat
00:59 crtdaydreams wat
00:59 crtdaydreams no lol
00:59 * crtdaydreams forgets they don't do telepathy in the city
01:01 crtdaydreams dw about it. i'll figure it out eventually
01:02 signpost sbcl ftr does not have 9000 deps.
01:02 shinohai Perfect opportunity to try and `emerge` something and play around with USE flags
01:03 signpost included it in my own distro in an afternoon.
01:03 shinohai ^
01:03 shinohai Worx a++ btw signpost, was tinkering with scripts in it earlier.
01:03 asciilifeform fwiw sbcl emerges cleanly on dulap and rk gentoo
01:04 signpost cool. still think crtdaydreams is best off learning gentoo first, so he knows from where I'm shamelessly lifting good ideas.
01:04 crtdaydreams signpost: lol :P
01:05 crtdaydreams getting weird error with sbcl through portage; "can't find sbcl.core" when I run it
01:05 crtdaydreams I'll try w/ out. I got the full emerge log i'll post in a sec
01:06 shinohai crtdaydreams: betcha it will run if you try `sbcl --core /usr/lib64/sbcl/sbcl.core `
01:07 crtdaydreams shinohai: what begets this wizardry!?!
01:08 shinohai iirc it's a bug in the profile, sourcing `/etc/profile` mite also have worked.
01:08 crtdaydreams nao got (require :asdf nil) throwing an error :|
01:08 crtdaydreams ah
01:08 crtdaydreams ahah
01:08 crtdaydreams i see
01:08 crtdaydreams yeppers. thankyou muchly
01:09 shinohai np!
01:10 crtdaydreams is /etc/profile something to do with refreshing envvars?
01:10 shinohai Yup
01:11 crtdaydreams cool
01:11 crtdaydreams appreciate the help
01:12 crtdaydreams I wonder, is my approach to getting help with problem-solving a little dicky? Should I be more direct with my issue so we're not jumping hoops all the time?
01:14 crtdaydreams I don't want to be resorting to asking peeps all the time "err wat dou here"
01:14 shinohai Well naturally ya need to share as much info as you can, pasting barfs generally helps you get help quicker.
01:15 crtdaydreams right. also doesn't clog logs
01:15 shinohai 99% of time searching Gentoo wiki solved my issues, but I'm more of a "reading" learner.
01:15 * signpost never faulted anyone not knowing, only refusing to learn.
01:16 signpost gotta fall out of your mother somewhere.
01:16 crtdaydreams shinohai: first instinct is to google, but gets stuck moment has to read anything beyond stackoverflow. probably due for a change lol
01:16 crtdaydreams s/first/my first/
01:17 crtdaydreams signpost: lol. big difference between falling out and getting shot out at mach 2
01:19 shinohai Yeah gonna have to do some spelunking beyond stackoverflow to find the meaty bits sometimes.
01:20 crtdaydreams shinohai: I've considered grinding LFS, which might be a better approach to learning everything *because you have to* then moving back to gentoo to preserve my sanity
01:20 * shinohai could find almost zero on the interwebs when he wanted to shove a Gentoo chroot onto android for example
01:20 asciilifeform << see also
01:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-18 17:56:33 billymg: << i'm not sure how to feel about things like this, a few days after the heavily publicized "coinbase keeps your coins in the event of bankruptcy" disclosure
01:20 dulapbot Logged on 2021-04-21 14:36:23 asciilifeform: however never tried 'ledger', 'trezor', etc. given as these all have asinine design which requires a pc with prb. defeating the entire nominal purpose of the box.
01:22 crtdaydreams signpost: does pentacle use "use flags", "masking" etc. and other ideas lifted from portage?
01:27 * crtdaydreams must go now
01:27 crtdaydreams thanks all o/
01:34 signpost masking of the kind gentoo uses isn't needed. if you don't want someone's software, don't have them in your wot directory, and don't download their vpatches.
01:34 signpost trust is in authors, not packages.
01:35 signpost I did lift use flags to control optional components and behavior.
01:35 shinohai I support the Ukraine so had to remove asciilifeform from my wot
01:35 shinohai ^__^
01:36 signpost I'm gonna get ahead of the game and put some "Free Taiwan!" comments in there.
01:37 shinohai all USE flags in pentacle gonna be national flags of whatever the current thing is.
~ 2 hours 4 minutes ~
03:42 phf install sbcl +πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΏπŸ‡ΌπŸ‡ΉπŸ‡Ό
~ 3 hours 37 minutes ~
07:19 punkman
~ 17 minutes ~
07:37 punkman << related ledger lulz
07:37 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-18 18:02:37 shinohai: iirc Ledger has capabilities to store "over 9000!" altcoinz
07:38 punkman and before that,
~ 23 minutes ~
08:02 punkman << I wonder if there's a language with "package repository" that only allows signed updates
~ 4 hours 44 minutes ~
12:46 shinohai << bwahahahaha
12:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-18 23:40:30 phf: install sbcl +πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΏπŸ‡ΌπŸ‡ΉπŸ‡Ό
~ 46 minutes ~
13:33 asciilifeform << all extant 'iron wallets' retarded on multiple levels. (e.g. even allowing firmware update via software at all, to start with)
13:33 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-19 03:36:28 punkman: and before that,
13:47 shinohai $ticker btc usd
13:47 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $29477.29
~ 29 minutes ~
14:16 asciilifeform cheapcoinz!111
14:18 asciilifeform << basics -- 100% fact afaik, and well-known errywhere outside of angloreich
14:18 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-19 03:18:00 punkman:
14:19 asciilifeform << 'signed' means ~0 w/out a coherent concept of wot. so nope, not to date
14:19 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-19 04:00:23 punkman: << I wonder if there's a language with "package repository" that only allows signed updates
14:25 asciilifeform upstack, re: 'iron wallets' -- see also e.g.
14:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-26 17:26:54 asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'duct tape and chewing gum' ciphermachines, is that it is very, very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've achieved something, when in fact you have led yourself and -- worse, possibly people with actual secrets to protect -- to the chopping block, by putting same linux+opensores liquishitware into pocket-sized vaguely-ciphermachine-like package.
14:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-01-04 18:14:23 asciilifeform: it's a lemon market, the homeopaths will always control the chump-change segment, while the crypto-ag types will control the golden-toilet segment. while actual rng that actually non-whiteningly worx, 'doesn't exist, never existed, what kinda terrorist are you to ask'
14:25 dulapbot Logged on 2020-06-12 17:12:19 asciilifeform: the 'coldcardwallet' link is lulzy. e.g. 'The secure element and critical parts of the main micro are covered by epoxy at the factory. Our clear case is part of our security model too, so you can look and see if a "hardware implant" has been inserted inside your device.' 'Real crypto security chip. Your private key is stored in a dedicated security chip, not the main micro's flash.' i.e. fughetttabout audi
14:25 dulapbot Logged on 2020-02-11 18:58:13 asciilifeform: 'low-information konsoomer' always eventually gets the iron/softs he deserves. crypto aint any sort of special case.
← 2022-05-18 | 2022-05-20 →