#asciilifeform | 2022-02-13

cool podcast whaack, left a comment on the post

00:57

billymg: thx, approved and responded

~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~

02:01

whaack: not listened to the tape yet but will when i get to a box w/ audio. lulzy timecube link tho, a++

02:02

'The A.R.K. drive will NEVER be available from Mark via the internet, via BitTorrent, FTP or other internet data transfer methods. DO NOT ask for this from Mark, as it is logistically impractical to consistently and completely transfer 2TB of data comprising over 50,000 files over the internet.' << lol poor bugger never heard of bittorrent?!

02:06

... or not tried, or wat. or simply likes selling his opus on disk

02:06

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-12#1079021 << subj

02:06

Logged on 2022-02-12 17:44:52 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-12#1078998 << Huh. I brought a pi 4B+ a few years ago (never used it 'cept booting a kali distro on it) and never heard about any of that. Haven't had any issues in the few hours of runtime it's actually had.

02:07

loox like was a thing strictly in models 1-3.

02:20

asciilifeform: he mentioned in one video that keeping a 2TB torrent live from a home connection is not possible, no one is going to relay that big a file, and it reks his home connection

02:21

let the seeders seed it, wat

02:22

asciilifeform: they can do that, sure, i don't think he's preventing that

02:23

he also doesn't sell his A.R.K., unless there is a surprise fee at the last step, but idts

02:23

sumthing very nostalgically '90s (recall wallnut creek ftp.cdrom.com disk set?) about it

02:23

nah idk what that is

02:24

subj

~ 20 minutes ~

02:44

lol maybe this is the right warez protocol (@ signpost), a mail-in your hard drive service

~ 21 minutes ~

03:06

1 of the oldest.

03:07

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asciilifeform at one time suggested to distribute trb, and even blox dump as crate of cdroms

03:07

(trilema) 2017-01-26 asciilifeform: this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd

03:09

current chain would fit on... 88 dvds.

03:10

likely many fewer if stored nqbstically.

03:12

(i.e. where instead of tx hash in an 'outpoint', there's simply index to that tx. (see here for how to 'decompress' from this form)

03:14

afaik this is the only 'lossless compression' possible re the chain.

03:25

asciilifeform: i'm off to bed, ill ponder re compression hax, do you know what % you shave off by putting it in a .tar.gz ?

~ 12 hours 13 minutes ~

15:38

good morning

15:39

i thought more about compressing the chain, you could exclude the prefix of 0's from the block hashes

15:40

i'm sure there's a bunch of other small gains one can think of

15:52

Buenas dias whaack o/

15:52

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-12#1079046 <<< lel imagine the cost for glass masters of 88+ dvd press.

15:52

Logged on 2022-02-12 22:09:46 asciilifeform: current chain would fit on... 88 dvds.

16:03

o7

~ 26 minutes ~

16:29

shinohai: imagine the cost of even 1 , lol

16:30

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-13#1079052 << ~that~ sheepskin justabout certainly aint worth the tanning (not so many of these, relative to the other mass)

16:30

Logged on 2022-02-13 10:39:35 whaack: i thought more about compressing the chain, you could exclude the prefix of 0's from the block hashes

16:31

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-13#1079053 << said gains would have to at least outweigh the weight of the decompressor, tho

16:31

Logged on 2022-02-13 10:40:20 whaack: i'm sure there's a bunch of other small gains one can think of

16:31

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-12#1079050 << iirc rather little

16:31

Logged on 2022-02-12 22:25:16 whaack: asciilifeform: i'm off to bed, ill ponder re compression hax, do you know what % you shave off by putting it in a .tar.gz ?

16:33

$ticker btc usd

16:33

busybot

Current BTC price in USD: $42298.2

16:33

great to have the bot back, a++ shinohai

16:33

!w poll

16:33

Polling 14 nodes...

16:33

71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130 (Operator: asciilifeform)

16:33

54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:33

205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:33

205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130 (Operator: asciilifeform)

16:33

205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=723130

16:33

205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=723130 (Operator: whaack)

16:33

208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:33

54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.256s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:33

82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.322s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:33

103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.609s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:34

75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.041s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723130

16:34

94.176.238.102:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!

16:35

205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

16:35

143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

16:35

!e view-height

16:35

block_height: 723130

16:35

mins_since_last_block: 9

~ 54 minutes ~

17:29

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-13#1079067 <<< tyvm

17:29

Logged on 2022-02-13 11:33:23 asciilifeform: great to have the bot back, a++ shinohai

17:30

Re: blockchain on DVD: "Please insert disc # 69 and press any key to continue ....."

17:39

!e help

17:39

whaack: my valid commands are: src, uptime, version, help, view-height, view-address, view-utxos, view-balance, view-block, view-raw-block, view-tx, view-raw-tx, push

17:39

!e help view-address

17:39

whaack: my valid commands are: src, uptime, version, help, view-height, view-address, view-utxos, view-balance, view-block, view-raw-block, view-tx, view-raw-tx, push

~ 19 minutes ~

17:59

!e view-balance 1DRWnmPWZtUjyGhR9SfmpXgHREDMQxbBRd

17:59

block_height: 723137

17:59

value_sats: 3407754558

17:59

value_btc: 34.07754558

17:59

itworx!

18:03

:D

18:04

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whaack will be publishing sauce very soon

18:12

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-13#1079089 << the cheapest (tho still oligarch-priced) way to do this today would likely be mask rom.

18:12

Logged on 2022-02-13 12:30:44 shinohai: Re: blockchain on DVD: "Please insert disc # 69 and press any key to continue ....."

18:14

100% random-access, and as fast as anyone could want, limited only by whatever machine bus yer using. and ~infinite shelf life.

18:16

( see also e.g. )

18:16

(trilema) 2017-04-05 asciilifeform: things that have no business ever changing, ought to exist on aluminum disk and mask rom.

18:19

( and elsewhere. )

18:19

(trilema) 2015-07-01 ascii_field: blockchain really belongs on combo of mask and antifuse rom

18:23

!e view-balance 1MyfLJS8ZKw5zS6cjdiEVM69i8ZwCaDVM6

18:23

block_height: 723139

18:23

value_sats: 0

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value_btc: 0.00000000

18:23

*womp, womp*

18:38

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whaack scratches head

18:38

!e view-balance 1MyfLJS8ZKw5zS6cjdiEVM69i8ZwCaDVM6

18:38

block_height: 723141

18:38

value_sats: 0

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value_btc: 0.00000000

18:38

!e view-address 1MyfLJS8ZKw5zS6cjdiEVM69i8ZwCaDVM6

18:38

http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=vayx 1 of 1

18:39

oh wait, that is correct, got confused and thought there should be a balance there

18:43

!e view-height

18:43

block_height: 723141

18:43

mins_since_last_block: 10

~ 30 minutes ~

19:14

my bad whaack .... the womp was for me as my main cs addy was empty (just checkin')

~ 1 hours 39 minutes ~

20:54

scoopbot

New article on whaack: Trbexplorer Genesis Release

20:56

billymg: If you press the vpatch, included is the file client.py, which you can use to grab data from explorer.ztkfg.com in the format of a python object

~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~

22:42

off to go for a sunset body surfing session, trying to get barreled sans board

22:47

thimbronion

asciilifeform: I'm struggling to come up with a clean algo for ensuring getdata responses are not rebroadcast. For example, I could flag messages coming out of the order buffer, but that won't catch the missing message that caused the break, since it will never enter the order buffer.

22:48

thimbronion: rebroadcast gotta match a getdata to get eaten, neh

22:48

thimbronion: so, elementarily, if matches, then dun rebroadcast, neh

22:48

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asciilifeform off to meatspace shortly

22:50

thimbronion

asciilifeform: yes, this would require keeping track of getdata requests sent out, which is yet another buffer to manage.

22:50

you gotta, otherwise they'll risk getting tossed as stale

22:51

recall, mentioned 'if there have been getdata's not yet answered, then must hash incoming msg to see if matches outstanding getdata'

22:51

before checking timestamp

22:52

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asciilifeform must bbl

23:04

thimbronion

asciilifeform: ah yes - I can mark any message that matches something in the order buffer as a getdata response, even if it never ends up in the order buffer.

23:15

whaack: awesome! and congrats. i suppose i can start syncing it locally, i don't yet have a server for it to live on

23:18

asciilifeform: btw any idea when that might be ready (the one with less ram, since i know the ram shipment is out of your control)?

23:24

i know you're busy and i hate to have to nag but considering i put in the initial request 4+ months ago it's starting to get a bit frustrating

~ 27 minutes ~

23:51

billymg: if you have a local node with extra hard drive space i would do it, it's pretty nifty to have your own local block explorer

23:52