00:09 |
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bonechewer has been meaning to try Sabotage Linux for awhile |
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00:09 |
bonechewer |
I think it is systemd-free |
00:10 |
bonechewer |
There is a somewhat curated list of systemd-free distros at sysdfree.wordpress.com |
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00:54 |
billymg |
bonechewer: cool links, thanks for the reading material. encouraging to see as well |
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01:31 |
asciilifeform |
bonechewer: nifty www, asciilifeform added to links bar on own site, ty |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in upstack thrd -- happened across lulzy vintage mp re subj while digging through unrelated logz. |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 16:45:40 asciilifeform: at any rate, asciilifeform's pov on subj: by taking an 'amnesty', yer helping the otherwise quite sclerotic and feeble reich bureaucracy in ways which may later come to regret. |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-10-21 mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody gives a shit about : the argentine govt announced an "amnesty" whereby idiots with cash in strongboxes/matresses etc can "blanquear" it, by depositing it in a bank and paying 11% in tax ("to begin with"). same applies to foreign holdings. |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-10-21 mircea_popescu: this generous measure of voluntary self-rape "ends" on 31st, after being extended a coupla times. meanwhile the govt has been piling on debt at about 2x the rate of the kirscheristas. |
01:38 |
thimbronion |
Who's putting their Bitcoin in a bank? |
01:41 |
thimbronion |
The link I posted is in no way an amnesty. It's an admission of inability to control. |
01:48 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: difficult to say imho what the intended scheme is, there. ( 'below 200 not reported' ? prolly will appear superficially troo, but in fact monitored just same as before, to catch 'cheaters' etc) |
01:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 14:40:03 signpost: however there's such a thing as "structuring", which is illegal, and is defined as whatever the prosecutor likes. |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
come to think of it, the thing is vaguely reminiscent of lulzjurisdictions where 'under x gram of dope not prosecuted' |
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01:50 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. it aint a 'legalize'(tm)(r) but simply moar rational allocation of gestapo man-hrs |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
however was discussing the larger concept of 'come outta hiding, fellas, and we'll forgive yer crime of not paying wealth tax' |
01:53 |
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asciilifeform apropos -- recently learned of the existence of such a thing as 'holocaust furniture' market in usa. antiques. turns out, for a brief time in '30s, german j00z were 'amnestied' and permitted to buy 'household' goodies and walk outta germany w/ same. boats fulla fine furniture went to usa. |
01:55 |
asciilifeform |
funnily x9000, e.g. google only returns the lampshades etc. for 'holocaust furniture' string. |
01:57 |
asciilifeform |
'duck' finds it tho. |
01:57 |
asciilifeform |
and so does 'yandex'. |
01:58 |
asciilifeform |
pretty interesting difference. |
02:01 |
thimbronion |
Haven't used google in months unless it occasionally slips in as default somewhere. |
02:01 |
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asciilifeform uses 99% for compiler eggog strings |
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03:20 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078156 << yeah, I haven't wrapped the building of gnat in the flag just yet, so gnat-capable gcc is the default, but works just fine. |
03:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 18:30:04 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078146 << hmm does the ada flag in fact produce a working gnat ? |
03:20 |
signpost |
builds gprbuild, vtools |
03:20 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078158 << will in time |
03:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 18:38:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078145 << is there xorg tho ? |
03:21 |
signpost |
any notes you have on what fought back would be welcome. |
03:21 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078161 << once I get this thing released, would very much welcome folks helping push. |
03:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 19:09:22 bonechewer: has been meaning to try Sabotage Linux for awhile |
03:22 |
signpost |
I think "sabotage" came up in my research on which distros had musl patches, unless I'm mistaken. |
03:22 |
signpost |
ah yep and busybox. this is not far from my own goals. |
03:22 |
signpost |
but I want V at the center of what'd otherwise be called "package management" |
03:23 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078163 << because I want not merely a shit-free linux, but one I can understand, at rest and in motion. |
03:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 19:10:19 bonechewer: There is a somewhat curated list of systemd-free distros at sysdfree.wordpress.com |
03:24 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078174 << buy legal, sell illegal. |
03:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 20:50:12 asciilifeform: come to think of it, the thing is vaguely reminiscent of lulzjurisdictions where 'under x gram of dope not prosecuted' |
03:24 |
signpost |
because who gives a shit about the terminal node anyway. |
03:34 |
verisimilitude |
For reference, this referred to this and not this. |
03:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:22:22 verisimilitude: So, what do ye think of my latest article? |
03:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 00:42:01 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Tabular Programming: Roman Numerals |
03:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:43:31 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: Intelligent Idiots |
03:34 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077972 I just hold on to the idea that anonymous conversations can be worthwhile; I intend to write about some odd aspects of identity related to them, at some point. |
03:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 09:42:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1077956 << i dun follow your syllogism, verisimilitude . 'some not worth having' ergo 'none are' ?? |
03:35 |
verisimilitude |
Simply put, whereas persistent identities lead to concerns over authenticity, I've found anonymous forums place the highest value on finished products. |
03:36 |
verisimilitude |
So, it's the difference between an artist having a name, and an art style resulting in something new; people don't care about identity so much as what the identity ostensibly does. |
03:39 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078014 I would've commented, but found it unnecessary; it was nice seeing my writing referenced so; I'd tried to guess what the piece would be about from the title alone, but was nicely surprised. I agree with the article. |
03:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 14:49:31 scoopbot: New article on Loper OS: The Three Reasons For Source Code Publication. |
03:39 |
verisimilitude |
I've spent the past few hours or so reading more about UNIX Sockets, utterly disgusted by them. |
03:40 |
verisimilitude |
I want a sane system, under which making a UDP program doesn't require such drudgery. |
03:40 |
verisimilitude |
I don't look forward to covering any of it up with Ada. |
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03:41 |
verisimilitude |
These systems encourage the most wasteful and insidious layering, due purely to the barbarity of the underlying layers, and none of the layers look good from a suitably high layer. |
03:42 |
verisimilitude |
I'd be tempted to use xinetd for everything, but it seems using it with UDP doesn't spare one from this nonsense in any reasonable way. |
03:45 |
verisimilitude |
It really is rotten to the core. |
03:46 |
verisimilitude |
One thing I like about that approach I outlined is how it's suited to making software less conversational. |
03:46 |
verisimilitude |
Software written in Lisp is usually conversational. The system is a conversation partner. |
03:47 |
verisimilitude |
Since Lisp makes it hard to make guarantees, this is fine, because I tend to notice if my conversation partner has a heart attack and drops dead. |
03:47 |
verisimilitude |
This is distinctly unsuited to what I want in most software, however, which is a servant. I want to give commands, be asked what to do in unavoidable failure cases, and then leave to come back to a finished job. |
03:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078212 << fwiw asciilifeform already baked a udp spackle for ada and imho is unlikely that anybody will find how to usefully shave even 1 loc from it, thing's afaik minimal as it stands. |
03:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 22:40:56 verisimilitude: I don't look forward to covering any of it up with Ada. |
03:49 |
verisimilitude |
Doesn't it still block on receive? |
03:49 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: what wouldja prefer ? eating the cost of a signal on erry packet?! |
03:50 |
verisimilitude |
Besides, it's too UNIX-flavoured for my tastes. |
03:50 |
verisimilitude |
I want an interface that doesn't reek of the underlying system. |
03:50 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: how does the interface do so there ? |
03:51 |
asciilifeform |
you call the rcvr w/ a port#, get 512 bytes when it comes back. similarly but in reverse gear to tx. |
03:51 |
verisimilitude |
Fuck, I designed this in 2019 and haven't finished it yet: http://verisimilitudes.net/udp.ads |
03:52 |
asciilifeform |
loox rather moar unix-exposing than asciilifeform's btw |
03:52 |
asciilifeform |
on the user end |
03:52 |
verisimilitude |
It's just a protected object. |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
why wouldja let it choose random port, for instance ? |
03:53 |
verisimilitude |
It's not useless behaviour. |
03:53 |
verisimilitude |
This kind of thing is in the IETF RFC. |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
imho entirely useless. the ports #s are 100% predictable. |
03:54 |
asciilifeform |
all kindsa liquishit is in the rfc. |
03:54 |
asciilifeform |
if you dun spackle properly over it, then precisely 'reek of the unix' neh |
03:54 |
verisimilitude |
Well, I've not finished it anyway. |
03:54 |
verisimilitude |
It shouldn't be so fucking difficult to do anything. |
03:54 |
asciilifeform |
why expose the checksum toggle, for instance. (on many systems it aint connected to anyffin ftr) |
03:55 |
verisimilitude |
I wanted an ideal interface, and such was part of it. |
03:55 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: could try reading the linked 1, and see if you can find anyffin to cut. |
03:55 |
asciilifeform |
chances are you won;t |
03:55 |
verisimilitude |
Besides, I can't legally use it, and regardless of what we think of copyright, I want to be able to fully legally use it. |
03:55 |
asciilifeform |
somehow other folx have no problem with this. |
03:55 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, and others do. |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
b/w you & odin, i suppose |
03:56 |
verisimilitude |
If I'm going to write everything else I use, I may as well write the interface code as well. |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
start w/ os then |
03:57 |
verisimilitude |
The journey of one thousand miles starts with a single step, but one should think carefully of which direction to go in. |
03:57 |
verisimilitude |
The more I learn, the less Lisp seems necessary. |
03:58 |
verisimilitude |
There's that song ``God Wrote in Lisp''. |
03:58 |
verisimilitude |
``and God could not count grains of sand with a thirty-two bit word.'' |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
'and god could not count grains of sand, with a 32-bit word...' that one |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
aha lol |
03:58 |
verisimilitude |
God could count grains of sand with a one hundred and twenty-eight bit word, however, couldn't he? |
03:59 |
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asciilifeform met author |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
A reliable system can't have unbounded and vague values. |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
From that article: |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
``Rather than represent code as data, it's better to eliminate the code entirely, I've grown to think.'' |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
by all means, make w/ bounded values. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
but there's sumtthing to be said for actually finishing a proggy. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
and , moreover, for not simply making exactly same thing as already on the table. |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but only when it be correct, when it be perfect. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
cuz at that rate 20y from nao you'll be just about done rewriting what asciilifeform posted in '18. |
04:02 |
asciilifeform |
and result will be ~same |
04:02 |
asciilifeform |
make pefect. by all means. |
04:02 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but I'm not going to implement such cryptography any time soon. |
04:02 |
verisimilitude |
I think I could make an exception for FFA, asciilifeform, because it's beautiful, from what I've read so far, but not a UDP binding. |
04:03 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of actual open problems to bite into imho. |
04:03 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
04:04 |
asciilifeform |
understand tho, that proggy that never gets written, aint 'perfect'. |
04:04 |
verisimilitude |
I'm much more interested in Elision right now than in anything else, which is also what led to that article. |
04:04 |
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asciilifeform must bbl |
04:04 |
verisimilitude |
Be well. |
04:05 |
verisimilitude |
I'll also leave for now. |
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04:31 |
whaack |
about to head to bed but found something interesting with my blockexplorer |
04:32 |
whaack |
the script here shows that basically all miners (97% in this 100 block sample) are using p2pkh addresses to claim the coinbase tx http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=alF2 |
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04:34 |
whaack |
the script uses the assumption that the first index of the coinbase output is the one taking the bulk of the prize, actually a pretty naive assumption but it has checked out for all the cases where i inspected it myself, i'll try to get around to writing a better one soon |
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08:48 |
crtdaydreams |
signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=h-Sc |
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08:56 |
crtdaydreams |
Lookin' at finally getting off my arse and getting (contributing?) pest |
09:06 |
crtdaydreams |
verisimilitude: this added a few extra neurons to my noggin |
09:08 |
crtdaydreams |
s/this |
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09:24 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-01#1077586 << ok ok, milk the cow dry. attitudes change. |
09:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 12:10:15 asciilifeform: lost count of how many n00bs in past decade 'ohnoez, i won't bake a pubkey, how could i possibly win from having a contiguous public identity, only gestapo can win from it' etc |
09:25 |
crtdaydreams |
jeez |
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17:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-03#1078278 << unsurprise imho. but a++ microscope work nonetheless |
17:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 23:33:00 whaack: the script here shows that basically all miners (97% in this 100 block sample) are using p2pkh addresses to claim the coinbase tx http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=alF2 |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
17:14 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
17:14 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=721804 (Operator: whaack) |
17:14 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
17:14 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.154s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
17:14 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.321s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.324s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.375s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721160 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.594s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:14 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=721804 |
17:16 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
17:16 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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18:46 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: yup, pretty obvious that miners would be taking their own coins in p2pkh addresses, but hadn't thought to check that until last night |
18:52 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: difficult to think of any reason why they'd feed themselves segshit |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
if yer a lamer, then makes some kinda logic that 'easier to hitch ride in block if you segshit'. but if yer a miner? |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
and it's your block. |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: have you turned up even 1 instance of a miner issuing himself segshitolade? |
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19:34 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: i've ran the script for 200 blocks and have seen it three times, here's one for example https://blockstream.info/block/0000000000000000000703a448b498ce6dd7389145c150b55a654bec6017a29b |
19:34 |
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whaack links to heathen explorer because his own has no support for segwit and the address consequently does not display |
19:36 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: i've been talking to quite a few ppl into bitcoin, and it is clear to me that segshit is a psyop. they are not willing choosing to use it to save "15% or more" on tx fees, they are DDoS'd by USG signal |
19:37 |
whaack |
willingly* |
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20:19 |
whaack |
i.e. i've heard the response 'why have i never heard of this?' when i explain the fork scenario more than once. |
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22:18 |
whaack |
pete_rizzo_: you make any progress on setting up a node? |
22:28 |
bonechewer |
In keeping with vex's hunch, Fidelity billionairess Abby Johnson is on record as loving bitcoin and at one point was running a miner on the computer under her desk |
22:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 20:32:05 vex: I think she might like bitcoin, just a hunch |
22:30 |
bonechewer |
One of her minions paints a picture: " If you came to our building, you would see, you know, ant miners, several generations old, you know, propping open doors and people's credenzas and stuff." |