#asciilifeform | 2022-01-17

e.g. 'getdata' needs ~100% rewrite

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a complete list of KNOBs is needed...

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asciilifeform lulz that no one caught 'keys are 512 bytes' typo in past N revisions of spec

00:25

fixed

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signpost been working on the linux distro, fixed all known bugs caused by inanities like relying on file mtime to decide whether to perform magic with e.g. autoconf

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or that v (rightly) doesn't preserve execute bits, things like that.

00:51

also removed all external-world deps from the bootstrap from vintage debian debs.

00:52

getting close to useful. next step is to get my own arse sitting on it.

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signpost has a broader vision for the thing that resembles old "UCI" contemplations.

00:53

I want to be able to sit down at a bare computer, boot a kernel, and have the new machine up and processing jobs signed by my key within minutes.

00:55

swarm downloads, recent disussions of DHT-atop-pest, all figure into this of course.

00:56

dragged the thing closer also to binary-reproducible builds, removed a few sources of bit-churn. more yet to find and smash.

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(this is important because with a fixed src-to-bin mapping, anyone can confirm for himself what the proper hash of a build should be. this allows him to trust his friendly peers to provide a cached build of an item, but verify independently)

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it's what a decentralized distro looks like, rather than having trusted parties producing binary packages, and all sharing the same needle.

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regarding "job", I define this as a particular filesystem (or filesystems layered atop one another) within which a command is to be run. that filesystem image can even be a rootfs from another distro, say a dulap.

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signpost intends to use other distros in this way going forward, with said tongs.

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(when needed)

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I'll get this thing posted for feedback before long, oughta grunt out a proper spec for folks to read too.

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in other lolz, pretty sure I have bad ram, getting intermittent segfaults when blasting make -j16 using tmpfs for disk

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02:39

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073488 << eccless box ? (if ecc -- is there barfola in log?)

02:39

Logged on 2022-01-16 20:07:06 signpost: in other lolz, pretty sure I have bad ram, getting intermittent segfaults when blasting make -j16 using tmpfs for disk

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signpost: whole thing sounds a++ nifty; would be a+++ nifty if could bootstrap it from dulap-gentoo (iirc last time asciilifeform tried, no liftoff, needed concretely a debian of some kind)

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073479 << asciilifeform in fact achieved this, so to speak; simply turned out that the jobs would run at speed of 486...

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Logged on 2022-01-16 19:53:18 signpost: I want to be able to sit down at a bare computer, boot a kernel, and have the new machine up and processing jobs signed by my key within minutes.

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asciilifeform moved sections around in spec; afaik all that remains is to move the buffers sect., write up mechanics of output buffer (and 'getdata' with it, the issuance of getdata's is rightfully part of that sect.)

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asciilifeform unlikely to get anymoar done today

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14:47

$ticker btc usd

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busybot

Current BTC price in USD: $42659.4

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!w poll

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Polling 14 nodes...

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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=719153

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=719153

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.117s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=719153 (Operator: whaack)

14:48

205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.278s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.201s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.328s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718910

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94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.434s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718910

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103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.596s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.469s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=719153

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

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asciilifeform: there seems to be 2 nodes stuck at 718910 since yesterday

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16:08

whaack: any idea whose ?

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i suppose the owners, if they're tuned in, will notice

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16:36

dunno the owners

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whaack: me neither, iirc i plucked those noades outta billymg's thing

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asciilifeform moar updates & clarifications in spec.

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asciilifeform, whaack: looks like a romainian TLD on one of those, perhaps diana c?

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also fyi the homepage shows a list of recently active trb nodes, perhaps quicker for referencing than using the full nodes browser

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billymg: make sense

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billymg: the ro box could be spyked's (iirc he had 1)

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!q seen-anywhere spyked

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spyked last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-06-18 10:08:47: asciilifeform, danke. fixed and answered: http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-cursory-look-at-the-infamous-trb-wedge-bug#comment-353

17:08

nfi tbh

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*makes

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billymg: have you had a chance to look at the curr. draft spec ?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-13#1058076 << did asciilifeform already have a clear idea how to implement tables here? imitate html equivalents?

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Logged on 2021-09-13 19:51:27 asciilifeform: a civilized replacement (sexprs!!!) for 'markdown' would be an a++ noob project.

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cgra: was considering to simply use cl-who's existing syntax

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right

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if cgra et al have better idea tho, plox to write in

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asciilifeform: currently evaluating whether sticking with the reStructuredText pile of mine or try to find a (semi-)custom approach. tables seem like potentially getting annoying with RST

17:17

(this re the pile of trb notes looking to partially publish)

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073489 << yeah eccless poarbox, high time to build an adultputer locally.

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Logged on 2022-01-16 21:39:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073488 << eccless box ? (if ecc -- is there barfola in log?)

17:27

think my mobo will even take ecc, so probably just stick that in existing ryzen. thing's got 16 cores, great for distcc otherwise.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073491 << when I poast, will include a recipe for dulap.

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Logged on 2022-01-16 21:40:28 asciilifeform: signpost: whole thing sounds a++ nifty; would be a+++ nifty if could bootstrap it from dulap-gentoo (iirc last time asciilifeform tried, no liftoff, needed concretely a debian of some kind)

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073492 << damned cool item regardless of speed.

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Logged on 2022-01-16 21:42:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-16#1073479 << asciilifeform in fact achieved this, so to speak; simply turned out that the jobs would run at speed of 486...

17:33

(and worthwhile to consider how to allow folks to turn arbitrary boxes into "UCI miners" as easily as possible, i.e. "run this here proggy, contains a whole linux within")

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obviously the same item can run as a standalone too, and this is how I intend to run.

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signpost has been using "user-mode linux" as one of his dev-tools for the distro, possibly interesting in this regard too.

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scoopbot: iirc some 'ryzen' eat ecc, others not (is 'unofficial' pheature). 'threadripper', the 'plus' variant, all eat

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-17#1073543 << the mega-puzzler there is what precisely to do w/ such boxen. (afaik even shitcoinists no longer cpumine, diff too high in all major shitcoins)

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Logged on 2022-01-17 12:33:59 signpost: (and worthwhile to consider how to allow folks to turn arbitrary boxes into "UCI miners" as easily as possible, i.e. "run this here proggy, contains a whole linux within")

18:12

archaetypical 'botnet' aint actually as useful as folx naively think.

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asciilifeform in fact at one time had one, hijacked from some ro moron, and its upkeep was moar of a chore than a +ev activity

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I'm thinking more along the lines of "here kid, try out your first taste of freedom with this mysterious artefact"

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a

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diff. matter

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"now install it on the machine, nublet"

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a la linux circa '90s

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indeed. it's how I got into it.

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is how ~errybody afaik

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asciilifeform updated 'address cast' mechanism to actually make sense.

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asciilifeform: haven't read it in detail yet but i've seen you've been making updates to it. you seemed to be on a roll with publishing new versions so i thought of waiting for it to settle down before updating the version on the mirror (since it's a manual affair)

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billymg: fairnuff

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billymg: will pause shortly (back to chores)

19:57

i've also been busy these last coupla days setting up a new gentoo build on a laptop i have, trying the musl approach this time and documenting each step/pitfall along the way

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a++

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asciilifeform looks fwd to reading

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21:25

I'm strongly considering voluntarily throwing my writings into the heathen pits again, to see what happens.

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it dun hurt

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The most traffic I ever received in one year was 2019.

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once in over9000 yrs even can 'find intelligent life'

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I've not finished tallying my 2021 website traffic, but it was better than 2020, yet still only a third or so of 2019's.

21:28

I don't post on Reddit, and won't make an account, so I'm wondering if BingoBoingo wouldn't mind uploading an article once every few months or so for me.

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Yes; I seem to recall learning of loper-os through a heathen pit.

21:30

How I tally my traffic is to count the successful accesses to mine article pages, and then decimate it. By this tallying, I still have a few thousand human readers, optimistically.

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asciilifeform similarly

21:30

why are you suggesting BingoBoingo do your dirty work lol

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He has a Reddit account and uploaded from loper-os once before is all.

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I suppose I could offer to pay him, but with what?

21:32

speaking of dirty work, BingoBoingo: what ever happened with that script you were making to traverse links to blogs

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i think 1 interesting 'warez' would be a database of blogs-run-by-thinking-humans

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asciilifeform has ancient reddit acct w/ mega'karma' but can't be arsed

21:33

From what I've seen, there be several, asciilifeform, not just one.

21:33

several of what?

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whaack found out about #b-a through reddit link to qntra iirc

21:33

I've seen several such Reddit accounts, asciilifeform, ascii, perhaps another.

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asciilifeform had only 1

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I was mistaken, then.

21:33

anuther on 'yc'

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I made a ycombinator account, because they ignored my work and it incensed me.

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Every time it hit the front page, it was just a case of the title hitting hipster bingo, however; they never had anything interesting with which to comment on my work.

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