00:16 |
mats |
talon voice is really fast, i highly recommend it |
00:19 |
mats |
i dropped a lot of money on a nice mic, like $1600 on a dpa 4188 and interface, but talon is so accurate now that i rarely see errors when i just use my airpods |
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00:23 |
mats |
its so fast that i don't really feel constrained by having to use voice instead of typing anymore |
00:30 |
vex |
that's pretty cool. i'd never heard of it |
00:35 |
vex |
eye tracking too huh? |
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00:40 |
vex |
shinohai'd be double clicking on every nice arse |
00:53 |
vex |
btw shin, I'd like to propose adding some info(value) to busybot |
00:53 |
vex |
10/10 economists are wrong |
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~ 23 minutes ~ |
01:17 |
vex |
commie chanops notwithstanding |
01:21 |
vex |
I think, maybe, if it's not a crime, that volatility could be described and calculated more betterly |
01:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061153 << this is a riotously terrible idea (sadly hasn't stopped folx from doing it -- repeatedly, see various 'gesture gloves' etc since '70s) and i'ma elaborate why |
01:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 19:43:06 vex: what if you had tiny cameras strapped to your wrists, so you could type chords in the air or anywhere? |
01:23 |
asciilifeform |
vex: ever used a crossbow ? |
01:24 |
asciilifeform |
what happens when you 'dry fire' it? |
01:24 |
asciilifeform |
... eventually the spring tears. because the energy has 'nowhere to go' but into tearing up the spring. |
01:25 |
asciilifeform |
your hands are exactly the same in this respect. they are not built to work against empty air. |
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01:25 |
vex |
I kinda assumed you'd be rtunning two watches from birth or whatever |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
yer fingers need tactile feedback to give the muscle power somewhere to go; as well as to come to a comfortable stop before smashing into immovable object (keyboard bottom, desk) |
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01:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-14 13:52:16 asciilifeform: whaack: the click is a tactile 'stop'. (while the spring effectively absorbs energy) |
01:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061159 << ditto eyes. they were not built to be used as a cursor. i rec to save the eye mouse for quadriplegic etc, when nuffin else worx |
01:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 20:35:49 vex: eye tracking too huh? |
01:28 |
asciilifeform |
( even the paralytics, notice, are going in for oddball electrodes-in-brain experiments. cuz they want to keep their eyes. ) |
01:29 |
vex |
I think the camera just watches your eyes |
01:30 |
asciilifeform |
vex: what of it ? yer still abusing the eyes by cursoring with'em |
01:30 |
vex |
Oh yes. |
01:30 |
vex |
It must be taxing |
01:31 |
vex |
even if the trackball isn't hard up against your wetware |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061156 << can't resist to lul at the 'audiophiliac' golden toilet (thing loox entirely like it has entirely ordinary fiddycent chinese piezo in it) |
01:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 20:19:52 mats: i dropped a lot of money on a nice mic, like $1600 on a dpa 4188 and interface, but talon is so accurate now that i rarely see errors when i just use my airpods |
01:31 |
vex |
bingo spent coin on mic too |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
unless yer trying to sound e.g. precisely like the fuhrer at 1938 ralley, and need ~that~ specific mic -- ~100 $ has you covered imho |
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01:34 |
vex |
some cats value differnet qualities. if it was coming out of asciilifeforms factory, would cost exactly cost |
01:34 |
asciilifeform |
anyways asciilifeform's pov re subj is that : the answer to having damaged 1 organ by terrible abuse is not to do the same to yet another organ. |
01:34 |
vex |
what's damaged? I must have missed that chapter |
01:35 |
asciilifeform |
vex: hands |
01:35 |
asciilifeform |
thrd was orig re folx who blew their wrists/carpal/etc |
01:36 |
vex |
ah. I assumed you had the unbreakable gene/method |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
i dunthink there is such a thing as unbreakable hands |
01:36 |
* |
asciilifeform quite convinced that the diff is in re whatcha do with'em |
01:37 |
vex |
noone ever teaches you how to approach a kb |
01:38 |
vex |
I don't think anyone knows |
01:38 |
vex |
It's be interesting to compare those without the problems to those that have |
01:38 |
* |
asciilifeform can offer only the observation that he doesn't type >10kB on a typical day. |
01:39 |
vex |
of course |
01:39 |
asciilifeform |
editors w/ proper text completion, plus good dose of laziness, is imho the ticket. that plus decent (at least 8mm travel, with actual spring) kb, adjustable table/chair etc. |
01:40 |
vex |
fiddles, saws, and other tools have been around longer than kbs |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
vex: nobody fiddles (or saws) for 12+hr straight, lol |
01:41 |
vex |
the centuries have proscribed a way to do it tho |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
mno. |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
folx loading bricks onto trucks also aint doing a 100% duty cycle. |
01:41 |
vex |
do it correctly and slowly, speed will come. |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
it's actually repeated, ~small~ (i.e. painless) abuse that wrecks you. |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
afaik the 1st known cases of carpalism were among telegraphers in 1800s. 'glass hand disease' |
01:42 |
vex |
lots of people get it |
01:43 |
asciilifeform |
today yes |
01:43 |
vex |
usually hard fucking workers |
01:44 |
vex |
can't take a bottle of rhum for your malaise if you've gotta think at full rpm in the morning |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
varies. |
01:45 |
vex |
lol. you're su |
01:45 |
* |
asciilifeform has done time at salt mines where liquor was kept on the premises |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
right here in washingtonistan. |
01:46 |
* |
vex appreciates the virtues |
01:46 |
vex |
Indeed, I suspect if employed by alf industries, would have no problems |
01:47 |
* |
asciilifeform speaking of which, must bbl |
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02:34 |
dpb |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061185 << https://www.creamyradioaudio.com/ |
02:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 21:33:06 asciilifeform: unless yer trying to sound e.g. precisely like the fuhrer at 1938 ralley, and need ~that~ specific mic -- ~100 $ has you covered imho |
02:46 |
vex |
is that your podcast dan? |
03:01 |
dpb |
not my site, and i think the podcast related to it is discontinued, but the info is still good |
03:02 |
dpb |
i got the recommended mic for doing karaoke at home, and may get into podcasting or music recording in the future |
03:05 |
vex |
shit, we should sign up bingoboingo and make a joint. |
03:08 |
BingoBoingo |
my mic is a AT2020USB, ~100 mic when I got it inside Uruguay |
03:08 |
vex |
got any karakoke gals to sing the melody? |
03:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Meh, step intern's got other shit on her plate. Music turns out to be a game that requires an existing audience to break in to |
03:10 |
vex |
have u read the manul? |
03:11 |
vex |
sorry dpb, this is another bible |
03:12 |
BingoBoingo |
vex, mic is simple. USB-B square in, on other side of cable you just need whatever USB your target devices has to plug in. Just works. |
03:13 |
* |
BingoBoingo had, enthusiastically resold Shure MV-7 with a bunch of software defined shits. AT2020USB simply has volume dial and monitor mix dial. |
03:13 |
vex |
I had an 808 emulator on windows 3 |
03:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Nice |
03:14 |
vex |
i thought so |
03:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Step sequencers are pretty cool. It's like programming your drumset |
03:14 |
vex |
maybe was 95. i forget |
03:15 |
* |
BingoBoingo working on buyer for my Korg Volcas. 16 steps not enough. Roland MC-101 with 128 steps over 4 tracks, enough |
03:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Unlike the volcas the MC-101 also works as MIDI "Keyboard" and USB audio interface to drive the good enough JBL 104s |
03:21 |
vex |
apologies. the poteroos that stave off the solar storms were on smoko |
03:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Acoustic foam, listening and recording aside vastly improves quality of life in concrete land |
03:22 |
mats |
in my experience the effect of acoustic foam is negligible |
03:23 |
mats |
2x4 panels with a 2in thickness are much more effective |
03:24 |
BingoBoingo |
They must be |
03:24 |
mats |
i.e. https://www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-48-x-2--1001.html |
03:25 |
mats |
if you put panels in corners, you end up needing fewer panels per room |
03:29 |
vex |
you gotta be running some bteer drivers than airpods mats |
03:30 |
mats |
bluetooth sucks and there's nothing i can do about it |
03:30 |
mats |
but the active noise cancelling on the airpods pro is pretty good |
03:31 |
vex |
i tried em. theye good |
03:32 |
mats |
the d:fine 4288 capsule core is, SNR: 66 dBA, THD: <1% at 137 dB SPL, Dynamic range: 111 dB, Max input: 144 dB SPL |
03:32 |
vex |
blutooth allowd jetliners nao |
03:33 |
mats |
while a random aliexpress component is, SNR: 61 dBA, THD: <3% at 105 dB SPL, Dynamic range: 87 dB, Max input: 120 dB SPL |
03:35 |
vex |
there's a new pro pod coming soon |
03:37 |
* |
vex doesn't drink on a jetliner |
03:41 |
mats |
one of the things that sucks about bluetooth is that i can't have stereo audio input at the same time the mic is live |
03:41 |
mats |
it gets forced to mono |
03:42 |
vex |
really? i didn't know that |
03:43 |
vex |
I just shut my mouth on the plane. shit down shut up |
03:44 |
vex |
you cant get stereo mic while you're listening in stero? |
03:46 |
vex |
I'll deffo buy a mats headset |
03:51 |
mats |
er, i can't get stereo sound while the mic is live |
03:51 |
vex |
fuck, that is weird |
03:52 |
vex |
*wierd even |
03:59 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWBh0B9F0M meanwhile, in LA |
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04:22 |
vex |
go the ren |
04:26 |
vex |
asciilifeform asks where the privkeys sit |
04:27 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM |
04:33 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ufgsarH4bk for kakobrekla |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
04:49 |
vex |
yassu punkman |
04:55 |
vex |
if you think vex wont paddle out with the oly three hawaiians that can solve for huge waves. I will |
04:56 |
vex |
fightened? yes. solve? yes |
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~ 56 minutes ~ |
05:52 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061152 << same with chairs, shoes, etc. |
05:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 18:43:59 asciilifeform: purported 'ergonomic' comp hardware is 100% bullshit, however, without any possible doubt imho. |
05:52 |
punkman |
probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity. |
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05:57 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061170 << we could ask sign language interpreter about this |
05:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-12 21:25:06 asciilifeform: your hands are exactly the same in this respect. they are not built to work against empty air. |
06:00 |
punkman |
can't stand trackballs, but I'd like to try a "vertical mouse", see if it's more comfortable |
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~ 8 hours 33 minutes ~ |
14:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061274 << asciilifeform never tried anyffin but simplest shoes. but did use just about erry kind of chair there is, and found that the kinds which can be properly adjusted, ventilate the arse, etc. are preferable. i suspect is highly individual thing. |
14:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-13 01:52:35 punkman: probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity. |
14:35 |
asciilifeform |
just as with the typing thing, tho, the 'best chair' is 'not having to sit in a chair all day' |
14:37 |
asciilifeform |
( see also old thrd ) |
14:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-28 20:50:31 asciilifeform: wholly unrelatedly, finally upgraded to modern chair, the kind where all the parts adjustable and arse floats 'in air'. recs to other folx stuck in front of comp for half the day |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
there's a buncha 'anti-ergonomic' 'reactionary' folx. imho are fulla shit, they are ineptly rebelling against the price tag (the correct way to do this is to simply buy surplus, costs 1/5 -- 1/4 of the idjit corporate sticker price) and against californirasty ('bay aryans' buy 1000$ chairs, so let's sit on a sharpened telephone pole) but really |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
veiled bragging re not being trapped in working all day imho |
14:41 |
asciilifeform |
... where yes, if you actually only need to sit at a comp for hr or 2 a day, it doesn't much matter what you sit on. |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
'от работы кони дохнут'(tm)(r) orcish wisdom ('from work, horses croak', i.e. work is simply bad for you) |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
14:44 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $55779.04 |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
14:44 |
watchglass |
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watchglass |
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15:09 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061274 << what I use, and it helped my back issues quite a lot. |
15:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-13 01:52:35 punkman: probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity. |
15:09 |
signpost |
when I'm not standing. bottom's rounded so you can lean in all directions, and so that you have to use your own core to remain upright. |
15:11 |
signpost |
these aerons are also nice though, worked in an office that had them |
15:17 |
punkman |
sitting on gaming chair right now, but a lot of the time I'm keeping upright posture without touching back of chair |
15:18 |
signpost |
https://www.upliftdesk.com/motion-stool-by-uplift-desk/ << this is the unfortunately named stool I use |
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15:18 |
punkman |
no 2nd hand aerons here, last time I asked was around 2k eur, few years ago |
15:18 |
signpost |
sounds like something you use when constipated |
15:18 |
signpost |
they put a lot of weight in the base so it doesn't move on you |
15:19 |
punkman |
seen some like that before, want to try |
15:19 |
punkman |
seems like it would be nice for the drawing/painting table too |
15:22 |
signpost |
yep I have two, use the other for the music room when I want to lean on something playing guitar |
15:27 |
thimbronion |
signpost: cool stool |
15:41 |
bonechewer |
whaack: as I mentioned, I had numbness trending into pain in the ring finger and little finger which seems like what you are describing |
15:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-13 18:06:23 bonechewer: (1) I switched to exclusively using a Kinesis Advantage keyboard, https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/advantage2-keyboard/. |
15:41 |
bonechewer |
I think you are right about a vicious cycle of inflammation. |
15:42 |
bonechewer |
Another guess of mine is that inflammation leads to swelling, which can paradoxically cushion the nerve and relieve the pain for a while, but when the swelling subsides the pain returns |
15:43 |
bonechewer |
For me, that cycle reached the point that I could barely type and had pain even on my entirely keyboard-free weekends |
15:43 |
bonechewer |
Aspirin would get me through the day, but the long-term trend was to more severe pain |
15:44 |
bonechewer |
I saw an orthopedist and he recommended two things, which I followed: |
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15:45 |
bonechewer |
(1) the Kinesis keyboard, which keeps the ring-finger side of the hand straight, rather than bending away from the thumb-side and thus compressing the nerve on the little-finger side |
15:45 |
bonechewer |
(2) 50 mg of Vitamin B6 per day |
15:46 |
bonechewer |
I had a lucky four-week break from work for a completely unrelated injury, during which I did not type at all, then started exclusive use of the Kinesis. Also started the B6 either before or after return to work. |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061313 << interesting stake. is the idea to force a constant wobble, exercising muscles ? |
15:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-13 11:18:08 signpost: https://www.upliftdesk.com/motion-stool-by-uplift-desk/ << this is the unfortunately named stool I use |
15:48 |
bonechewer |
I have been able to work 20+ years since then, although this is not a magic bullet. As I type this, I have been neglectful of the B6 for a few weeks, and I have to work one day or so per week in a shared space with no Kinesis. And so unsurprisingly I have mild pain in one little finger. |
15:50 |
bonechewer |
Note that I am talking only about the Kinesis keyboard which is convex in the middle and puts the Enter and Backspace keys on the thumbs. This sort was sold as "Classic" and now "Advantage". Kinesis makes other keyboards that don't have this (unique afaict) shape. |
15:54 |
bonechewer |
Unfortunately they go for ~200 USD even used. If you are patient, eventually a perfectly good PS/2 version should show up on eBay for less e.g. |
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~ 6 hours 26 minutes ~ |
22:20 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: yep, exactly. gotta use your core to stabilize. |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: nifty |
22:28 |
mats |
where did you find this |
22:31 |
mats |
do you also have a standing desk? |