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00:16 mats talon voice is really fast, i highly recommend it
00:19 mats i dropped a lot of money on a nice mic, like $1600 on a dpa 4188 and interface, but talon is so accurate now that i rarely see errors when i just use my airpods
00:23 mats its so fast that i don't really feel constrained by having to use voice instead of typing anymore
00:30 vex that's pretty cool. i'd never heard of it
00:35 vex eye tracking too huh?
00:40 vex shinohai'd be double clicking on every nice arse
00:53 vex btw shin, I'd like to propose adding some info(value) to busybot
00:53 vex 10/10 economists are wrong
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01:17 vex commie chanops notwithstanding
01:21 vex I think, maybe, if it's not a crime, that volatility could be described and calculated more betterly
01:23 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061153 << this is a riotously terrible idea (sadly hasn't stopped folx from doing it -- repeatedly, see various 'gesture gloves' etc since '70s) and i'ma elaborate why
01:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 19:43:06 vex: what if you had tiny cameras strapped to your wrists, so you could type chords in the air or anywhere?
01:23 asciilifeform vex: ever used a crossbow ?
01:24 asciilifeform what happens when you 'dry fire' it?
01:24 asciilifeform ... eventually the spring tears. because the energy has 'nowhere to go' but into tearing up the spring.
01:25 asciilifeform your hands are exactly the same in this respect. they are not built to work against empty air.
01:25 vex I kinda assumed you'd be rtunning two watches from birth or whatever
01:26 asciilifeform yer fingers need tactile feedback to give the muscle power somewhere to go; as well as to come to a comfortable stop before smashing into immovable object (keyboard bottom, desk)
01:26 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-14 13:52:16 asciilifeform: whaack: the click is a tactile 'stop'. (while the spring effectively absorbs energy)
01:28 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061159 << ditto eyes. they were not built to be used as a cursor. i rec to save the eye mouse for quadriplegic etc, when nuffin else worx
01:28 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 20:35:49 vex: eye tracking too huh?
01:28 asciilifeform ( even the paralytics, notice, are going in for oddball electrodes-in-brain experiments. cuz they want to keep their eyes. )
01:29 vex I think the camera just watches your eyes
01:30 asciilifeform vex: what of it ? yer still abusing the eyes by cursoring with'em
01:30 vex Oh yes.
01:30 vex It must be taxing
01:31 vex even if the trackball isn't hard up against your wetware
01:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061156 << can't resist to lul at the 'audiophiliac' golden toilet (thing loox entirely like it has entirely ordinary fiddycent chinese piezo in it)
01:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 20:19:52 mats: i dropped a lot of money on a nice mic, like $1600 on a dpa 4188 and interface, but talon is so accurate now that i rarely see errors when i just use my airpods
01:31 vex bingo spent coin on mic too
01:33 asciilifeform unless yer trying to sound e.g. precisely like the fuhrer at 1938 ralley, and need ~that~ specific mic -- ~100 $ has you covered imho
01:34 vex some cats value differnet qualities. if it was coming out of asciilifeforms factory, would cost exactly cost
01:34 asciilifeform anyways asciilifeform's pov re subj is that : the answer to having damaged 1 organ by terrible abuse is not to do the same to yet another organ.
01:34 vex what's damaged? I must have missed that chapter
01:35 asciilifeform vex: hands
01:35 asciilifeform thrd was orig re folx who blew their wrists/carpal/etc
01:36 vex ah. I assumed you had the unbreakable gene/method
01:36 asciilifeform i dunthink there is such a thing as unbreakable hands
01:36 * asciilifeform quite convinced that the diff is in re whatcha do with'em
01:37 vex noone ever teaches you how to approach a kb
01:38 vex I don't think anyone knows
01:38 vex It's be interesting to compare those without the problems to those that have
01:38 * asciilifeform can offer only the observation that he doesn't type >10kB on a typical day.
01:39 vex of course
01:39 asciilifeform editors w/ proper text completion, plus good dose of laziness, is imho the ticket. that plus decent (at least 8mm travel, with actual spring) kb, adjustable table/chair etc.
01:40 vex fiddles, saws, and other tools have been around longer than kbs
01:40 asciilifeform vex: nobody fiddles (or saws) for 12+hr straight, lol
01:41 vex the centuries have proscribed a way to do it tho
01:41 asciilifeform mno.
01:41 asciilifeform folx loading bricks onto trucks also aint doing a 100% duty cycle.
01:41 vex do it correctly and slowly, speed will come.
01:41 asciilifeform it's actually repeated, ~small~ (i.e. painless) abuse that wrecks you.
01:42 asciilifeform afaik the 1st known cases of carpalism were among telegraphers in 1800s. 'glass hand disease'
01:42 vex lots of people get it
01:43 asciilifeform today yes
01:43 vex usually hard fucking workers
01:44 vex can't take a bottle of rhum for your malaise if you've gotta think at full rpm in the morning
01:45 asciilifeform varies.
01:45 vex lol. you're su
01:45 * asciilifeform has done time at salt mines where liquor was kept on the premises
01:45 asciilifeform right here in washingtonistan.
01:46 * vex appreciates the virtues
01:46 vex Indeed, I suspect if employed by alf industries, would have no problems
01:47 * asciilifeform speaking of which, must bbl
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02:34 dpb http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061185 << https://www.creamyradioaudio.com/
02:34 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 21:33:06 asciilifeform: unless yer trying to sound e.g. precisely like the fuhrer at 1938 ralley, and need ~that~ specific mic -- ~100 $ has you covered imho
02:46 vex is that your podcast dan?
03:01 dpb not my site, and i think the podcast related to it is discontinued, but the info is still good
03:02 dpb i got the recommended mic for doing karaoke at home, and may get into podcasting or music recording in the future
03:05 vex shit, we should sign up bingoboingo and make a joint.
03:08 BingoBoingo my mic is a AT2020USB, ~100 mic when I got it inside Uruguay
03:08 vex got any karakoke gals to sing the melody?
03:10 BingoBoingo Meh, step intern's got other shit on her plate. Music turns out to be a game that requires an existing audience to break in to
03:10 vex have u read the manul?
03:11 vex sorry dpb, this is another bible
03:12 BingoBoingo vex, mic is simple. USB-B square in, on other side of cable you just need whatever USB your target devices has to plug in. Just works.
03:13 * BingoBoingo had, enthusiastically resold Shure MV-7 with a bunch of software defined shits. AT2020USB simply has volume dial and monitor mix dial.
03:13 vex I had an 808 emulator on windows 3
03:13 BingoBoingo Nice
03:14 vex i thought so
03:14 BingoBoingo Step sequencers are pretty cool. It's like programming your drumset
03:14 vex maybe was 95. i forget
03:15 * BingoBoingo working on buyer for my Korg Volcas. 16 steps not enough. Roland MC-101 with 128 steps over 4 tracks, enough
03:18 BingoBoingo Unlike the volcas the MC-101 also works as MIDI "Keyboard" and USB audio interface to drive the good enough JBL 104s
03:21 vex apologies. the poteroos that stave off the solar storms were on smoko
03:21 BingoBoingo Acoustic foam, listening and recording aside vastly improves quality of life in concrete land
03:22 mats in my experience the effect of acoustic foam is negligible
03:23 mats 2x4 panels with a 2in thickness are much more effective
03:24 BingoBoingo They must be
03:24 mats i.e. https://www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-48-x-2--1001.html
03:25 mats if you put panels in corners, you end up needing fewer panels per room
03:29 vex you gotta be running some bteer drivers than airpods mats
03:30 mats bluetooth sucks and there's nothing i can do about it
03:30 mats but the active noise cancelling on the airpods pro is pretty good
03:31 vex i tried em. theye good
03:32 mats the d:fine 4288 capsule core is, SNR: 66 dBA, THD: <1% at 137 dB SPL, Dynamic range: 111 dB, Max input: 144 dB SPL
03:32 vex blutooth allowd jetliners nao
03:33 mats while a random aliexpress component is, SNR: 61 dBA, THD: <3% at 105 dB SPL, Dynamic range: 87 dB, Max input: 120 dB SPL
03:35 vex there's a new pro pod coming soon
03:37 * vex doesn't drink on a jetliner
03:41 mats one of the things that sucks about bluetooth is that i can't have stereo audio input at the same time the mic is live
03:41 mats it gets forced to mono
03:42 vex really? i didn't know that
03:43 vex I just shut my mouth on the plane. shit down shut up
03:44 vex you cant get stereo mic while you're listening in stero?
03:46 vex I'll deffo buy a mats headset
03:51 mats er, i can't get stereo sound while the mic is live
03:51 vex fuck, that is weird
03:52 vex *wierd even
03:59 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWBh0B9F0M meanwhile, in LA
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04:22 vex go the ren
04:26 vex asciilifeform asks where the privkeys sit
04:27 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLO_CrZRmM
04:33 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ufgsarH4bk for kakobrekla
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04:49 vex yassu punkman
04:55 vex if you think vex wont paddle out with the oly three hawaiians that can solve for huge waves. I will
04:56 vex fightened? yes. solve? yes
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05:52 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061152 << same with chairs, shoes, etc.
05:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 18:43:59 asciilifeform: purported 'ergonomic' comp hardware is 100% bullshit, however, without any possible doubt imho.
05:52 punkman probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity.
05:57 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-12#1061170 << we could ask sign language interpreter about this
05:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-12 21:25:06 asciilifeform: your hands are exactly the same in this respect. they are not built to work against empty air.
06:00 punkman can't stand trackballs, but I'd like to try a "vertical mouse", see if it's more comfortable
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14:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061274 << asciilifeform never tried anyffin but simplest shoes. but did use just about erry kind of chair there is, and found that the kinds which can be properly adjusted, ventilate the arse, etc. are preferable. i suspect is highly individual thing.
14:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-13 01:52:35 punkman: probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity.
14:35 asciilifeform just as with the typing thing, tho, the 'best chair' is 'not having to sit in a chair all day'
14:37 asciilifeform ( see also old thrd )
14:37 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-28 20:50:31 asciilifeform: wholly unrelatedly, finally upgraded to modern chair, the kind where all the parts adjustable and arse floats 'in air'. recs to other folx stuck in front of comp for half the day
14:40 asciilifeform there's a buncha 'anti-ergonomic' 'reactionary' folx. imho are fulla shit, they are ineptly rebelling against the price tag (the correct way to do this is to simply buy surplus, costs 1/5 -- 1/4 of the idjit corporate sticker price) and against californirasty ('bay aryans' buy 1000$ chairs, so let's sit on a sharpened telephone pole) but really
14:40 asciilifeform veiled bragging re not being trapped in working all day imho
14:41 asciilifeform ... where yes, if you actually only need to sit at a comp for hr or 2 a day, it doesn't much matter what you sit on.
14:43 asciilifeform 'от работы кони дохнут'(tm)(r) orcish wisdom ('from work, horses croak', i.e. work is simply bad for you)
14:44 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
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15:09 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061274 << what I use, and it helped my back issues quite a lot.
15:09 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-13 01:52:35 punkman: probably better off with lightly padded stool than aeron. better off with thin-soled sandal than Nike monstrosity.
15:09 signpost when I'm not standing. bottom's rounded so you can lean in all directions, and so that you have to use your own core to remain upright.
15:11 signpost these aerons are also nice though, worked in an office that had them
15:17 punkman sitting on gaming chair right now, but a lot of the time I'm keeping upright posture without touching back of chair
15:18 signpost https://www.upliftdesk.com/motion-stool-by-uplift-desk/ << this is the unfortunately named stool I use
15:18 punkman no 2nd hand aerons here, last time I asked was around 2k eur, few years ago
15:18 signpost sounds like something you use when constipated
15:18 signpost they put a lot of weight in the base so it doesn't move on you
15:19 punkman seen some like that before, want to try
15:19 punkman seems like it would be nice for the drawing/painting table too
15:22 signpost yep I have two, use the other for the music room when I want to lean on something playing guitar
15:27 thimbronion signpost: cool stool
15:41 bonechewer whaack: as I mentioned, I had numbness trending into pain in the ring finger and little finger which seems like what you are describing
15:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-13 18:06:23 bonechewer: (1) I switched to exclusively using a Kinesis Advantage keyboard, https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/advantage2-keyboard/.
15:41 bonechewer I think you are right about a vicious cycle of inflammation.
15:42 bonechewer Another guess of mine is that inflammation leads to swelling, which can paradoxically cushion the nerve and relieve the pain for a while, but when the swelling subsides the pain returns
15:43 bonechewer For me, that cycle reached the point that I could barely type and had pain even on my entirely keyboard-free weekends
15:43 bonechewer Aspirin would get me through the day, but the long-term trend was to more severe pain
15:44 bonechewer I saw an orthopedist and he recommended two things, which I followed:
15:45 bonechewer (1) the Kinesis keyboard, which keeps the ring-finger side of the hand straight, rather than bending away from the thumb-side and thus compressing the nerve on the little-finger side
15:45 bonechewer (2) 50 mg of Vitamin B6 per day
15:46 bonechewer I had a lucky four-week break from work for a completely unrelated injury, during which I did not type at all, then started exclusive use of the Kinesis. Also started the B6 either before or after return to work.
15:48 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-13#1061313 << interesting stake. is the idea to force a constant wobble, exercising muscles ?
15:48 dulapbot Logged on 2021-10-13 11:18:08 signpost: https://www.upliftdesk.com/motion-stool-by-uplift-desk/ << this is the unfortunately named stool I use
15:48 bonechewer I have been able to work 20+ years since then, although this is not a magic bullet. As I type this, I have been neglectful of the B6 for a few weeks, and I have to work one day or so per week in a shared space with no Kinesis. And so unsurprisingly I have mild pain in one little finger.
15:50 bonechewer Note that I am talking only about the Kinesis keyboard which is convex in the middle and puts the Enter and Backspace keys on the thumbs. This sort was sold as "Classic" and now "Advantage". Kinesis makes other keyboards that don't have this (unique afaict) shape.
15:54 bonechewer Unfortunately they go for ~200 USD even used. If you are patient, eventually a perfectly good PS/2 version should show up on eBay for less e.g.
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22:20 signpost asciilifeform: yep, exactly. gotta use your core to stabilize.
22:20 asciilifeform signpost: nifty
22:28 mats where did you find this
22:31 mats do you also have a standing desk?
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