| 00:38 |
magnus |
you'll know the backup is finished when your bleached bones are cemented into the catacombs, lol... |
| 00:39 |
magnus |
I've owned several Fujitsu MO drives... really a shame they ceased all production |
| 00:40 |
magnus |
for small-scale backups, did not mind the additional wait... the the gains in reliability |
| 00:41 |
magnus |
*in xchange for the... |
| 00:42 |
magnus |
however, even MO disks were not immune to eventual delamination, tho faired better in practice than CD/DVD media |
| 00:45 |
magnus |
fwiw, I still have some ancient magnetic bubble memory media that is still readable... perhaps 25-30 years old now |
| 00:46 |
magnus |
as far as I know, info about the long-term stability of the circular domains (that hold the data) is either unpublished or unknown... |
| |
~ 1 hours 8 minutes ~ |
| 01:54 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: i have 1980s EPROMs that still 100% readable and pass checksum. (and hold what i wrote to'em ~decade ago 100%, as well) |
| 01:54 |
asciilifeform |
notbad backup medium if yer data is a coupla kB. (and use foil sticker.) |
| 01:55 |
asciilifeform |
antifuse PROMs -- even better, in this respect. but go and find one today. |
| 01:56 |
asciilifeform |
(spoiler: none have been manufactured -- at least publicly -- for decades) |
| 01:56 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-05-17 asciilifeform: all 'otp roms' sold today are actually eproms with the write leg tied to ground. |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 02:12 |
magnus |
yeah, bubble memory was not much better... max sizes sold were ~1024kb, iirc |
| 02:13 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: you can still get 'new-old stock' sov.made bubble modules on ebay |
| 02:13 |
magnus |
ah, I believe this... |
| 02:13 |
asciilifeform |
problem is, slooow (it's essentially a magnetic tape with clever mechanism to 'walk' the contents w/out motor) |
| 02:13 |
magnus |
iirc, it was also used in machine shops and for mil applications... |
| 02:14 |
magnus |
yes, that is a good description... tiny walls on a garnet substrate... |
| 02:14 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: still king, iirc, in ru.mil. replaced magnetic core memories |
| 02:14 |
magnus |
nice, I believe the US is still using it was well (or did in 80s/90s era hardware) |
| 02:14 |
asciilifeform |
laughs at emp, was among the appeals |
| 02:14 |
magnus |
yep |
| 02:15 |
magnus |
also, no limitations on wear, so can be rewritten indefinitely.. |
| 02:15 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 02:16 |
asciilifeform |
unlikely that anything more perfect for storing e.g coordinates of target in icbm -- will be devised |
| 02:17 |
magnus |
seems true, unless some sort of MEMs-like creation springs into existance... |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
the good, old stuff -- ~works~ |
| 02:17 |
magnus |
exactly |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
and doesn't require micro-anything for its manufacture |
| 02:18 |
magnus |
maybe some new tech will be deployed on upcoming venus missions (from multiple countries) |
| 02:18 |
magnus |
the crazy specs might result in new-ish designs and materials being used... |
| 02:18 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: if, say, the recent israeli moon lander is anything to go by -- these will run on java , divide by zero, and crash into first solid object they pass by |
| 02:19 |
magnus |
hahaha! |
| 02:19 |
magnus |
indeed |
| 02:19 |
magnus |
sadly, prolly likely |
| 02:21 |
magnus |
the whole delamination question had me wondering whether all VLSI components are in a state of sin, condemned to eventually fail (owing to variable thermal expansion and time) |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: solder joins (esp. the envirowhiner-imposed pb-free type) fail first. |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
100% of gpu failure, for instance. |
| 02:21 |
magnus |
ah, yes... |
| 02:22 |
magnus |
esp. for that ^ |
| 02:22 |
asciilifeform |
(and reason why ~empty~ box from e.g. 'radeon' goes for 200-300$ on 'ebay' atm. scammers stuff 'mined out' cards in'em and resell as 'barely used') |
| 02:22 |
asciilifeform |
(subj) |
| 02:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-03 14:31:31 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in unrelated lulz : given 'gpu shortage of 2021', prices 2-3x (or moar) vs 'peacetime' commonplace. and nao hilarious scamology : EMPTY BOXES from videocard selling for coupla hundy $ ! |
| 02:23 |
asciilifeform |
... whereas e.g. my 1994 'trident' still worx. |
| 02:24 |
verisimilitude |
How does FPGA fabrication fare here; I'll suppose there be no difference. |
| 02:24 |
magnus |
lol, yep... still have a few matrox PCI cards hiding in the closet... (and somewhere, VLB card) |
| 02:24 |
asciilifeform |
if bga + pb-free + any palpable, to touch, thermal swing -- will fail |
| 02:25 |
magnus |
it's difficult to imagine a way out of this conundrum... may not be one, realistically... |
| 02:26 |
asciilifeform |
depends what count as 'out'. |
| 02:27 |
magnus |
can have component-level tech if willing to sacrifice all performance for most things (farm everything else out to customized ASICs, etc) |
| 02:27 |
verisimilitude |
Won't the latest and greatest methods eventually become cheaper and perhaps even accessible to more than three companies? |
| 02:27 |
magnus |
but, it sure does paint a dismal path... |
| 02:27 |
verisimilitude |
At least, perhaps. |
| 02:27 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: twist: 2um is more than enuff if you expurgate the bloat with fire and sword. |
| 02:27 |
verisimilitude |
Then yes. |
| 02:28 |
magnus |
ah, hmmm... |
| 02:29 |
verisimilitude |
Tell me, asciilifeform, surely even that ``huge'' method is enough to discard with the von Neumann design, not being ``transistor-starved'', right? |
| 02:29 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: elaborate? |
| 02:30 |
verisimilitude |
Surely 2um provides enough transistors for interesting alternative designs, right? |
| 02:31 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: well, bolix ivory was a 2um. approx. on par, transistorwise, w/ i486. |
| 02:31 |
verisimilitude |
Alright. |
| 02:31 |
verisimilitude |
Also, why is it called Bolix here? |
| 02:32 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: iirc was called so by contemporaries in src and wherever else needed to be concise. catchy. |
| 02:32 |
asciilifeform |
smbx aka symbolics inc. |
| 02:32 |
verisimilitude |
Alright. |
| 02:35 |
magnus |
okay, the harris rtx 2000 (80s era) might fit 2um... |
| 02:35 |
magnus |
(was looking up process tech for older chips) |
| 02:36 |
magnus |
so, plenty of useable designs there, and overall more physically reliable (for decades, at least) |
| 02:36 |
magnus |
component will not be knocked out by a single cosmic ray strike, anyhow... |
| 02:36 |
verisimilitude |
Also, aren't there still many fabricators capable of delivering such? |
| 02:37 |
asciilifeform |
designs aint the problem, magnus . |
| 02:38 |
magnus |
well, tool chain will always be a limiting prob until it costs/fits in your workroom... |
| 02:38 |
asciilifeform |
'the indian elephant can devour, in one day, 100kg of hay, 50kg of carrots, 30kg of cabbage, 40kg of bread, etc' 'really, is it true, that this elephant eats so much?' 'as for eating, he sure would if he could, but who will let him!' |
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| 02:39 |
magnus |
lol |
| 02:40 |
asciilifeform |
fat lotta good it does to talk about whether manufacturers can deliver x,y,z |
| 02:40 |
magnus |
thus, even if 2um is sufficient, the inability to home-fab (ever) pretty much kills the possibility? |
| 02:40 |
asciilifeform |
when you don't even have a paltry decamillion$ to pay for the most basic lsi |
| 02:40 |
magnus |
sure |
| 02:41 |
magnus |
so, component-level designs or nothing, essentially... |
| 02:41 |
verisimilitude |
Explain, magnus. |
| 02:42 |
asciilifeform |
see past threads on subj. |
| 02:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-22 14:14:33 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: suppose we don't use any FPGA. suppose you directly owned a fabrication-facility and could perform your own runs on whim. how low does the process-width have to be, for it to be worth your time? |
| 02:42 |
magnus |
nothing prevents any of us from cobbling together a 'computer' from basic logic chips and a box of macroscopic parts... but performance will be terrible on every metric... |
| 02:43 |
verisimilitude |
Why yes I would prefer the cabbage over the hay, asciilifeform. |
| 02:43 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: it is considerably easier to scavenge a working, ~eternal late'80s-early'90s comp, than to build 'refrigerator of 74xxx'+its air conditioner+etc |
| 02:43 |
magnus |
true |
| 02:44 |
magnus |
and yet, the ability (at least) to create working item from scratch is invaluable... esp. once all archaelogical items are either in museums or melted down... |
| 02:44 |
* |
asciilifeform does not see a point to 74xxx wankage, aside from historical reenactment or simple (handful of parts) circuit |
| 02:45 |
asciilifeform |
magnus: i seriously rec walking the log, the 'fab question' came up regularly, just about erry yr |
| 02:45 |
verisimilitude |
So what, some alternative computing medium be the better hope? |
| 02:45 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: hope of what? |
| 02:45 |
verisimilitude |
Hope is evil, anyway. |
| 02:45 |
magnus |
I would do -anything- to avoid that but... it may come down to that eventually... as all useable hardware will be fritz'd in one way or another... |
| 02:46 |
magnus |
verisimilitude: there is no hope, actually... |
| 02:46 |
verisimilitude |
This is the hope of actually owning the computer. |
| 02:46 |
asciilifeform |
1st step is to stop being own worst enemy, and stop throwing away perfectly working irons from era when shit worked. |
| 02:48 |
verisimilitude |
So the zeroeth step is actually getting those. |
| 02:53 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: you know those 32core ecc ram 'dulap' opterons i offer customers at my isp ? |
| 02:54 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: well, you can get 2-3 of'em for the cost of 1 minimal crapple slabebox of current make |
| 02:54 |
verisimilitude |
I suppose I do well enough. |
| 02:54 |
verisimilitude |
That's interesting. |
| 02:54 |
asciilifeform |
point being, they aint rare -- yet |
| 02:54 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps I should stop playing exclusively with laptops. |
| 03:01 |
verisimilitude |
Say, on this note, I saw that two large companies were facing unreliability with modern processors. |
| 03:02 |
verisimilitude |
They called occasionally faulty cores ``mercurial''. |
| 03:04 |
verisimilitude |
I agree with the idea pre and post conditions may be used to help thwart this, which reminds me of how early computers did the same, due to unreliable hardware. |
| 03:04 |
magnus |
heh, quite the gift for understatement if those cores are running your life support sys... |
| 03:05 |
magnus |
yeah, quite impressive imho how well they did with the early (60s era) kit... |
| 03:06 |
magnus |
even the highest spec'd parts of the time occasionally failed... so, redundancy in all critical systems was the rules of the day... |
| 03:06 |
magnus |
*rule |
| 03:09 |
verisimilitude |
In particular, I'm thinking of Alan Turing's Electronic Brain. |
| 03:19 |
verisimilitude |
It's bizarre I only now made the connection. |
| 03:20 |
verisimilitude |
Redundant checking is barbaric, but pre and post conditions are refined, I suppose. |
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~ 11 hours 16 minutes ~ |
| 14:36 |
thimbronion |
I've done some more debugging of the server connection issue. All I can say at this point is that I've verified the number of params being sent, and it matches what's in the included RFC for the SERVER command. I've started looking at the command parsing code. C string parsing yuck. |
| 14:46 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: neato. don't hesitate to post debug barf etc. here. |
| 14:47 |
* |
asciilifeform finally has some time to spend on this today |
| 14:48 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: also sent distress signal to the ratbox mailing list. Last thread is from 2016 so not expecting a response. |
| 14:49 |
asciilifeform |
hm thimbronion , so this was not the end of the story? |
| 14:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-22 20:45:00 gregorynyssa: it parses the SERVER command as "SERVER $1 $2 $3" but sends it as "SERVER $1 $2 :" |
| 14:51 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: so if you set description in the serverinfo block, that fills in what goes after the :. That looks like 3 params to me... |
| 14:55 |
thimbronion |
The param parsing code is in src/parse.c in the parse() and handle_command() functions. |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
some pretty viscious liquishit, there |
| 14:59 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: yes for example: where in the hell is the value for min_para set? |
| 15:01 |
thimbronion |
I suspect I don't have the brain capacity to grok all the pointer arithmetic going on in there. |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: it doesn't look like it actually gets set anywhere |
| 15:03 |
thimbronion |
well that would be a problem lol |
| 15:11 |
* |
asciilifeform reading rfc; 4.1.4 'server message' defo shows 3 params |
| |
~ 51 minutes ~ |
| 16:03 |
thimbronion |
Sorry for all the join/part noise. Finally got znc to connect to both freenode and dulap. |
| 16:03 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: congrats & wb |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 16:42 |
signpost |
blah! I added descriptions on my end and yep, paired up with gregorynyssa now |
| 16:44 |
signpost |
so I gather this thing does zero validation of the config file |
| 16:44 |
signpost |
woof. |
| 16:45 |
thimbronion |
signpost: what did you set as the description? I've set description on both my test ircds and still can't connect. |
| 16:46 |
signpost |
I am adding a connect block for your box on mine right now |
| 16:47 |
signpost |
I just put nonsense in the description fields |
| 16:48 |
signpost |
thimbronion: on yours I get Received ERROR message from irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid servername.) |
| 16:48 |
thimbronion |
signpost: hm I think this might be you: Access denied, No N line for server [unknown@96.43.130.234] |
| 16:48 |
thimbronion |
which is new |
| 16:49 |
signpost |
do I need to swap your passwords around? |
| 16:49 |
thimbronion |
signpost: I reversed for you, so you shouldn't have to. |
| 16:50 |
signpost |
thimbronion: what's your max_number in class "server" ? |
| 16:50 |
signpost |
(so many fucking knobs) |
| 16:51 |
thimbronion |
signpost: actually I had commented out your connect block - just added it back in |
| 16:53 |
thimbronion |
signpost: max_number is 1 |
| 16:53 |
signpost |
2021/6/26 16.53 Link with irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26] established: (TS6 QS EX CHW IE GLN KNOCK ZIP TB ENCAP SAVE SAVETS_100) link |
| 16:53 |
* |
signpost belches victoriously |
| 16:54 |
thimbronion |
I see a linke established message |
| 16:54 |
signpost |
thimbronion: what's your nick on your server? |
| 16:54 |
thimbronion |
I'm in the #test chan. Nick is awt. |
| 16:57 |
signpost |
cool, thimbronion and I are peered up |
| 16:57 |
thimbronion |
Mr. Watson, come here! |
| 16:58 |
signpost |
I humbly propose # as the monochan |
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| 16:59 |
signpost |
btw thimbronion it appears I have lost my connection to gregorynyssa when I achieved one with your server |
| 16:59 |
signpost |
gonna fiddle a bit |
| 16:59 |
thimbronion |
don't see anyone in #. |
| 16:59 |
signpost |
thimbronion: actually, did you happen to change the `sid` value in the config? you may have the same as him. |
| 17:00 |
signpost |
weird, I'm in there |
| 17:00 |
thimbronion |
my sid is 404. |
| 17:01 |
thimbronion |
Now I see you |
| 17:03 |
signpost |
2021/6/26 16.58 Received ERROR message from gregory.nyssa[unknown@172.105.224.97]: No matching hub_mask |
| 17:03 |
signpost |
investigating wtf that is. |
| 17:12 |
signpost |
gregorynyssa perhaps try putting hub_mask = "*"; in your connect blocks |
| 17:13 |
signpost |
thimbronion: looks like yours just went away. intentional? |
| 17:13 |
signpost |
at any rate, looks like these rusty cans and twine are doing something. |
| 17:20 |
thimbronion |
signpost: was not intentional - restarting with upped max_number |
| 17:27 |
signpost |
cool, let's see how long this stays connected. I'm meanwhile seeing about bringing in deedbot |
| 17:30 |
signpost |
thimbronion: I got the same hub_mask error from your server just now, might need the same setting |
| 17:32 |
thimbronion |
signpost: restarted with hub_mask = "*"; |
| 17:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040779 << concise; but i admit that it will be difficult to use w/ my logger |
| 17:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-26 12:58:35 signpost: I humbly propose # as the monochan |
| 17:46 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: would logger accept ## ? otherwise #a or something's fine, don't care too much. |
| 17:46 |
signpost |
just thought # was amusing |
| 17:46 |
* |
signpost meanwhile ripping the nickserv-isms out of deedbot |
| 17:47 |
asciilifeform |
signpost, thimbronion : lemme know what's needed to plug in (i have a ratbox ready) |
| 17:55 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Ty9I |
| 17:55 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: what ip will your ratbox be at? |
| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: it's on this same box |
| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
(for now will be port 7000; eventually will unplug 'unreal' & swap it in place) |
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| 17:57 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=kHg2 |
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| 17:57 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
| 17:57 |
signpost |
will gpggram passwords for irc.problematic.site |
| 17:58 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: ah ok. What port? |
| 17:58 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040805 |
| 17:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-26 13:57:31 asciilifeform: (for now will be port 7000; eventually will unplug 'unreal' & swap it in place) |
| 17:58 |
thimbronion |
oh now I see |
| 18:01 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: didja ever find out how to per-user pw on ratbox ? |
| 18:02 |
signpost |
not yet |
| 18:03 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: probably brings in this thing https://services.ratbox.org |
| 18:03 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: added a connect block for you. |
| 18:11 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7tjL |
| 18:12 |
asciilifeform |
signpost, thimbronion : got it, will plug in shortly, ty |
| 18:15 |
thimbronion |
just now: 2021/6/26 18.18 Error connecting to dulap: Error during connect() (Connection refused) |
| 18:15 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: it aint up yet |
| 18:16 |
thimbronion |
Ah mkay. Not clear to me when attempts to connect are made, or how often. |
| 18:17 |
signpost |
connectfreq = 2 minutes; << I believe this is itt. |
| 18:17 |
signpost |
*it |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion, signpost : port 5000 |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
Received ERROR message from irc.problematic.site[unknown@96.43.130.234]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
(and loox like it doesn't even try to activate the other one..?) |
| 18:26 |
asciilifeform |
or hm, |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
Server irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26] closed the connection |
| 18:27 |
thimbronion |
Just updated to port 5000 |
| 18:27 |
signpost |
2021/6/26 18.27 Link with irc.dulap.xyz[unknown@205.134.172.3] established: (TS6 QS EX CHW IE GLN KNOCK ZIP TB ENCAP SERVICES RSFNC SAVE SAVETS_100) link |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
aha, and then, lol, my own client thrown out, w/ 'Bad Nickname' |
| 18:28 |
asciilifeform |
'-!- You were killed by irc.problematic.site [(Bad Nickname)] [Path: ]' |
| 18:28 |
signpost |
ah feck, lemme recompile with sane nicklen |
| 18:29 |
asciilifeform |
still lulzy that a ratbox instance will throw out a hardcoded local op |
| 18:29 |
asciilifeform |
this'll have to be patched. |
| 18:29 |
* |
asciilifeform also still gnashing teeth at this bug |
| 18:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-23 10:29:41 asciilifeform: (aaand it takes 15-20s for login, for no detectable reason. thought 'identd', found the off switch for same, made 0 diff) |
| 18:30 |
thimbronion |
signpost: I need to do same. |
| 18:33 |
thimbronion |
Apparently nicklen must be "consistent accross entire network" |
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| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
we're gonna have to zap all the moronic 'consistencies' |
| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
if a peer eggogs, disconnect peer. |
| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
not machine owner, lol |
| 18:33 |
signpost |
myup |
| 18:33 |
signpost |
for now, what'd you use for nicklen asciilifeform, 30? |
| 18:33 |
asciilifeform |
32 |
| 18:33 |
signpost |
aye aye |
| 18:39 |
thimbronion |
Restarted with nicklen=32 |
| 18:43 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: Received ERROR message from dulap[unknown@205.134.172.3]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: just now? |
| 18:43 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: yes |
| 18:43 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040839 << disgraceful. |
| 18:43 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-06-26 14:33:02 thimbronion: Apparently nicklen must be "consistent accross entire network" |
| 18:43 |
gregorynyssa |
it is also a violation of Postel's Law. |
| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: 'Received ERROR message from irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)' on my end |
| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
and signpost's seems to be down (i assume he's recompiling) |
| 18:44 |
signpost |
yep |
| 18:45 |
signpost |
thimbronion: got 5000 for port on asciilifeform's? |
| 18:45 |
thimbronion |
signpost: I do. |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: or how about where the thing disconnects machine operator rather than peers |
| 18:46 |
thimbronion |
for dulap I have the IP as: 205.134.172.3 |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
'Received ERROR message from irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)' |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: this is correct. (same box we're speaking into atm on 6667) |
| 18:50 |
thimbronion |
Gotta step away for a bit. |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma leave this running |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
(so far not connected to anyone) |
| 18:53 |
* |
signpost up with 32char nicks |
| 18:55 |
asciilifeform |
lol i still get timeouts regularly when connecting ~own~ client to this thing |
| 18:56 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: thing claims we are peered now |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
seems to be |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
or hm |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
'Received ERROR message from irc.problematic.site[unknown@96.43.130.234]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)' |
| 18:56 |
signpost |
2021/6/26 18.55 Link with irc.dulap.xyz[unknown@205.134.172.3] established: (TS6 QS EX CHW IE GLN KNOCK ZIP TB ENCAP SAVE SAVETS_100) link |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
3 of these in a row |
| 18:57 |
asciilifeform |
2021/6/26 18.56 Received ERROR message from irc.problematic.site[unknown@96.43.130.234]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:57 |
asciilifeform |
2021/6/26 18.56 Received ERROR message from irc.problematic.site[unknown@96.43.130.234]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:57 |
asciilifeform |
2021/6/26 18.56 Received ERROR message from irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 18:57 |
* |
asciilifeform brb shortly |
| 18:57 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: did you reverse the pws I provided or leave unaltered? |
| 18:58 |
asciilifeform |
unaltered |
| 18:58 |
* |
asciilifeform genuinely brb |
| 19:03 |
signpost |
got deedbot working. I'll be afk til late evening. deedbot currently sits in # |
| 19:04 |
* |
signpost can throw more cycles at this tomorrow too, bbl |
| 19:05 |
thimbronion |
Looks like gregorynyssa connected to the net and killed us. |
| 19:05 |
thimbronion |
with a short nicklen |
| 19:05 |
signpost |
ah |
| 19:05 |
signpost |
what a brittle dried turd |
| 19:09 |
whaack |
saw a physiotherapist here about my rsi problem. he gave me the thumbs up to type when I don't feel pain, so I'll be around |
| 19:09 |
whaack |
i'm happy to try to setup a relay as well in the near future |
| 19:23 |
asciilifeform |
welcome to dulapnet, whaack |
| 19:24 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: currently folx working on standing up nodes. they aint yet connected to this one tho |
| 19:26 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: Received ERROR message from irc.alethepedia.com[unknown@200.122.181.26]: Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) |
| 19:27 |
asciilifeform |
and buncha 'Connection to irc.problematic.site activated' but somehow no effect (i.e. '#' is empty) |
| 19:40 |
asciilifeform |
in other lulz, scache.c : |
| 19:40 |
asciilifeform |
/* * this code intentionally leaks a little bit of memory, unless you're on a network * where you've got somebody screwing around and bursting a *lot* of servers, it shouldn't * be an issue... */ |
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| 20:01 |
verisimilitude |
Consider chording, or voice recognition, whaack. |
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| 20:03 |
verisimilitude |
For the latter, I wouldn't care if I needed to make odd noises rather than speech, no different than learning chording, but haven't found such a system. |
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~ 50 minutes ~ |
| 20:53 |
whaack |
fleanode test 1..2..3.. |
| 20:54 |
whaack |
so i guess the way this "worx" now is i have to check the logs for responses |
| 20:55 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: depends w/ whom yer talking ( asciilifeform for instance sitting in 3 atm -- fleanode, dulapnet, and prototype arsenet by trinque et al) |
| 20:55 |
whaack |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040895 << tbh this sounds awful, i really hope my problem doesn't come to this |
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| 20:55 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-06-26 16:01:45 verisimilitude: Consider chording, or voice recognition, whaack. |
| 20:56 |
whaack |
for now i've obtained a clicky keyboard, stuck vitamin b12 in my ass, started taking some magnessium supplements, and have a series of exercises that are meant to stretch the nerves in my arm |
| 20:57 |
whaack |
all but the clicky keyboard was based on the advice of a doc' |
| 20:59 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: gotcha |
| 21:08 |
whaack |
i'm also not convinced that the root cause of rsi is shitty keyboards or keyboard use. maybe the exact same injury gets named 'arthritis' when it occurs to someone elderly who doesn't type. it's possible keyboard use just triggers symptoms of a different problem. |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: i've met folx with 'keyboard disease' who contracted it very clearly from causes wholly unrelated to keyboardism. |
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~ 52 minutes ~ |
| 22:14 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: I see you on arsenet, but signpost is gone. |
| 22:21 |
thimbronion |
Seeing this message occasionally: 2021/6/26 22.22 Attempt to re-introduce server irc.problematic.site from [unknown@96.43.130.234] |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 22:38 |
thimbronion |
related http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MHWH |
| 22:39 |
thimbronion |
Evidently you gotta daisychain? |
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| 22:54 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: doesn't look from my pov like you have set description: "SERVER irc.dulap.xyz 1 :" |
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~ 58 minutes ~ |
| 23:52 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: where's this set ? |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040910 << if this is the case, the only thing, imho, to do will be to throw out the piece of shit and find sumthing that worx. or, if nothing can be found -- write. |
| 23:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-26 18:39:26 thimbronion: Evidently you gotta daisychain? |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
cuz i aint interested in incatronics. (and suspect other folx similarly uninterested.) |
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| 23:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-18 18:35:02 asciilifeform: the troo p2p topology i propose removes all kindsa fundamentally palace-flavoured concepts -- 'joining', 'kicking', 'banning' -- and replaces simply w/ freedom of association, i.e. peering & unpeering. |