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10:49 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
10:49 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $34627.73
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10:50 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
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18:40 verisimilitude Oh, welcome back, adlai.
18:41 verisimilitude I've been intending to send an email, but forgot.
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20:02 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
20:02 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $37220.27
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20:27 superkuh Seriously? Damn.
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21:09 asciilifeform superkuh: eh, snore.
21:09 snsabot (alethepedia) 2020-10-11 asciilifeform: thimbronion: the altcoinists -- sure . but i was speaking of the fact that the exch rate prolly aint growing another 0 -- or rather, not w/out the dollar price of archaetypical sandwich also growing a zero.
21:14 asciilifeform ( see e.g. also. )
21:14 snsabot Logged on 2020-12-17 11:06:30 asciilifeform: << this is quite far from accurate description imho of what's happening. can't speak for entire 'civilized' reich, but in usa, if you 'cash out btc', and for sumthing other than a physical mafia suitcase of benjies -- tax collectors will take 50-100% of yer 'winnings'
21:15 asciilifeform makes for a rather great 'write-only memory' tho!
21:29 trinque nah, there's plenty of previously dollar-denominated wealth that can spill from stocks into bitcoin.
21:30 trinque this is a silly perspective anyway, bitcoin is not solely measured against dollars
21:30 trinque at any rate, the next stock market crash will most likely both spur dollar-denominated inflation and more accumulation of bitcoin, so we'll both be happy
21:31 asciilifeform wb trinque
21:31 trinque good evening asciilifeform
21:33 trinque from another perspective bitcoin's value should be severely discounted if any interesting use at all gets a traffic cone rammed up your ass, can certainly see it.
21:33 asciilifeform trinque: afaik already traffic cone
21:34 trinque yep, more or less
21:35 trinque by transaction volume the thing's overwhelmingly used as (ironically, given mp's old item) points of notional value in an mmorpg
21:35 trinque in other debasements, got a chuckle out of the people of walmart taking selfies in the capitol building today
21:37 verisimilitude I agree; I particularly enjoyed seeing the cowering politicians.
21:38 verisimilitude Threatening the people would carry more weight, had negroes not been allowed to burn down police stations and whatnot for a ways lately.
21:39 trinque curious why you like it when the derps today do it, but not the others.
21:40 shinohai I'm happy to see it burn no matter who strikes the match.
21:40 verisimilitude I didn't write that, but that threatening to arrest the people who did this would carry more weight if so and so.
21:41 trinque ah, well, the cops also larp. derealization for all.
21:41 verisimilitude I'm not going to pretend I don't support people more like me than those less like me, for varying qualities of ``like me''.
21:42 trinque I just think you're mistaken about it being anything to do with race.
21:42 verisimilitude In this case, I'm more like the crowd of white people scaring politicians than negroes stealing shoes.
21:42 trinque it's class, and there are loads of whites down there too.
21:43 verisimilitude I don't buy into the ``god emperor'' or ``4D chess'' nonsense, know.
21:43 trinque haha, hadn't assumed.
21:43 verisimilitude I just want certain things about me to be made explicit, such as that.
21:44 trinque I expect that the next thing shall be normalization of the money air-drops as UBI
21:45 verisimilitude If the negro rioting had resulted in dead politicians, I would've similarly enjoyed seeing that, but I don't recall a single case of such.
21:46 verisimilitude Were I a politician, I'd probably feel different, but I'm not.
21:46 trinque I can't find it now, but I'm reminded of mp's observation that the US still had much further to fall.
21:46 trinque "such a wealth destruction as never before seen" or something
21:47 verisimilitude Isn't it so that most of the USD which exists is recently-printed?
21:47 trinque curious how long we can print money and sell the rest of the world bits.
21:47 trinque verisimilitude: I imagine so, though I suspect any of the official sources of m1, m2, etc
21:48 verisimilitude That's the fun part, trinque, the US has nuclear weapons, and the world can't keep staying lucky forever, like with the USSR.
21:48 shinohai <<< kek
21:49 verisimilitude By the by, I'm now aware of an archive clone which is more amenable to Tor, if anyone wants the URL.
21:49 trinque shinohai: lul
21:50 trinque not so enthusiastic about tor, myself.
21:50 verisimilitude I'm having issues with it right now; what's the true URL, shinohai?
21:51 trinque verisimilitude: if nothing else, sheer cowardice may hold the states together for quite some time.
21:51 trinque think of the cheap concessions that'd get these people off the street
21:51 trinque used iphone every couple years, petrofood, bee-hive to live in, netflix, sack of weed
21:51 trinque this is not impossible to just price-in.
21:52 verisimilitude Sure.
21:52 shinohai verisimilitude:
21:52 verisimilitude However, that would only be a good idea, so it probably won't happen.
21:53 verisimilitude Oh, I've seen that, yes.
21:53 verisimilitude It's okay when negroes do it, because they're a slave race more concerned with stealing a PS5 than freedom.
21:58 verisimilitude I mean no offense towards any negro here, if there be any.
21:59 trinque I think you vastly restrict your notion of who's a slave
21:59 trinque I come from scots and irish on one side. one of them was a coal miner
21:59 trinque think he went down there "by choice"?
22:00 trinque << incidentally found a fun old thread where I blab about my love of texas
22:00 snsabot (trilema) 2017-01-26 trinque:
22:01 trinque << this I'd say is well underway
22:01 snsabot (trilema) 2017-01-26 trinque: goldman just moves here
22:04 verisimilitude I didn't mean to imply only negroes can be slaves, which is obviously not true.
22:05 verisimilitude I'd read the article, but I'm being blocked.
22:05 trinque just makes mention of the texas gold depository
22:08 asciilifeform << it's a made-for-tv circus, not an actual event.
22:08 snsabot Logged on 2021-01-06 21:37:03 verisimilitude: I agree; I particularly enjoyed seeing the cowering politicians.
22:08 snsabot (alethepedia) 2021-01-06 asciilifeform: thimbronion: photo op. i.e. they let all the tv personalities out through tunnel, then let 'ohnoez rebels' in, to trash the place a little. while cameras rolled, then footage to air in '8minute hate' in coupla hrs
22:09 verisimilitude I can still find it pathetic.
22:13 asciilifeform << doubt it (at least, in the form 'ubiism' is normally depicted, where 'don't want to mop floors? dun have to, live on cat food in phree 1room flat') . atm they only hand out phreedough to folx who'll park it in realestate, stocks, other 'harmless' toxicwaste dumps. rather than push up price of petrobread etc for plebes to the point of civil war
22:13 snsabot Logged on 2021-01-06 21:44:45 trinque: I expect that the next thing shall be normalization of the money air-drops as UBI
22:14 trinque doubt it how, they're about to dispatch another 2k
22:14 asciilifeform observe that reich's inflation is intensely selective, sorta like the fat of archaetypical beer drinker which goes only to stomach
22:15 verisimilitude I've yet to receive any free USD.
22:15 asciilifeform verisimilitude: ditto
22:15 asciilifeform the folx who received tho, afaik all went and bought video games etc.
22:15 asciilifeform it aint pushing up rents/bread, but 'stimulate konsoomerism'
22:16 asciilifeform if ~erryone~ somehow +2k/mo, tho, then guesswat, yer rent is nao n+2k.
22:16 trinque none of this is in dispute
22:16 trinque I am merely noting that the dollar distributions are increasing in frequency
22:17 verisimilitude It truly disgusts me, how a soda corporation is largely responsible for spending so much advertising, polluting with plastic bottles, all in the name to sell poisoned sugar water. It's akin to how an animal defecates in the process of staying alive, but this beast is shitting over the entire planet, all to move money.
22:18 verisimilitude People criticise the USSR ``however many tons chandelier'', but not this.
22:18 trinque biggest export these days is mindrot rather than gutrot
22:23 asciilifeform trinque: will be interesting if moar 'dollar drops', aha
22:25 asciilifeform meanwhile asciilifeform took 2nd consulting, for a foreign zaibatsu. and still feels like pauper, even tho '1%'(tm)(r) etc
22:25 asciilifeform cuz what can buy ? can't buy not-working.
22:25 asciilifeform and already have ~errything else.
22:26 verisimilitude I'd like to live a decent life of making as little money as I can get away with, by doing the least amount of work possible to get it.
22:28 trinque asciilifeform: I've just accepted that every time I reach *aire status it'll be just after it became worthless
22:28 trinque timing's a bitch
22:28 asciilifeform verisimilitude: this worx great until doesn't
22:29 asciilifeform trinque: aha.
22:29 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-05 19:39:14 asciilifeform: thimbronion: i watched ruble die as a boy. suddenly had whole sack full of'em, felt 'rich'. until a little later, when noticed it wouldn't buy even candy bar
22:29 verisimilitude It's pretty difficult to care about the vague future with everything happening, and I've not cared for years anyway.
22:29 asciilifeform trinque: recall when 1e6 $ was 'big money' ?
22:29 trinque only vaguely, yep
22:29 asciilifeform verisimilitude: if it aint a seekrit, what do you live off ?
22:30 verisimilitude It's currently a secret.
22:30 trinque 1e6 is now a shitty house
22:30 verisimilitude I'm glad to have no one who depends on me.
22:30 verisimilitude Does anyone here have children; that would probably be horrifying.
22:31 verisimilitude I also recall when that was a lot of money.
22:31 trinque no kids yet, but I'll probably have 'em
22:32 verisimilitude Would they be raised in the USA?
22:33 trinque most likely
22:34 verisimilitude That would be horrifying, then.
22:34 trinque who says life has to be what you wanted.
22:34 asciilifeform oh hm for some reason i had it in my head cache that trinque had a son. but then now i recall, it was ben_vulpes iirc who did.
22:34 trinque yeah not me
22:34 verisimilitude I'm just giving an opinion, trinque; all I can write is good luck.
22:34 asciilifeform whatever happened to ben, btw. his www fell down..
22:35 trinque he's doing well, might not know it happened, or was just tired of it.
22:35 trinque not sure
22:35 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere ben_vulpes
22:35 snsabot ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
22:35 verisimilitude I may have mentioned it before, but assume I'm dead if I just drop off here. I'd have the decency to announce it, otherwise.
22:36 asciilifeform verisimilitude: noted.
22:36 trinque verisimilitude: some grew tired of what was already done and fell apart
22:36 asciilifeform trinque: it's hilarious, today 1e6 will give you maybe 10k/y (if yer very savvy) of payola
22:36 trinque it's all there in the logs for whomever
22:37 trinque I'd quite enjoy to get something republican-shaped *off* freenode, and still want a hand in that.
22:38 asciilifeform trinque: ^ aha. and in particular e.g.
22:38 snsabot Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
22:38 * asciilifeform even far moar interested in above, than in decentralized realtime chatisms
22:38 verisimilitude It's that way because it's easiest, and a system without any guiding principles does whatever is easiest in the moment.
22:39 asciilifeform verisimilitude: this re which ?
22:39 verisimilitude Well, it regards the WWW, UNIX, RISC, etc..
22:39 trinque ah, in regard to "why one box"
22:39 verisimilitude Yes.
22:40 trinque yes, not wiping is easiest when compared to wiping
22:40 trinque toilet harder than bush or hole
22:40 verisimilitude It's purposefully a more general quote, however.
22:40 trinque certainly, read as such.
22:41 trinque upstack, the republic's first task was finding more wot-nodes to engulf, didn't.
22:41 trinque everything else is the meager roster grunting through trying to pretend it was legion
22:42 trinque as evident in logs
22:43 verisimilitude In particular, I'd this thought perhaps when OpenBSD ran out of disk space and I couldn't login under X. It took me a minute to realize what was wrong. They don't care to report the error, as there was no good system boundary to do so with easily, and so the error got dropped on the floor, instead. A system designed to report such errors would've found a good place, however.
22:44 trinque I figure in these open-source social systems there is not actually any coherent "they"
22:44 trinque which is a relevant restatement of the problem
22:44 verisimilitude OpenBSD advertises itself as one.
22:44 trinque sure
22:44 asciilifeform a pile of amoebic shit aint a 'system', either
22:44 verisimilitude The point remains that, having no guiding principles, dropping an error on the floor is thus perfectly acceptable.
22:46 asciilifeform trinque: re 'tasks of republic' -- y'ever heard of revolution by folx w/ day jobs ? (me neither)
22:46 trinque nope, which is why I exploded in late days about profit centers etc
22:47 asciilifeform can't speak for others. but to asciilifeform not clear that he achieved ~anything other than -- for short time -- entertaining a demented moneybag
22:47 verisimilitude That's just a normal job.
22:47 trinque I got beaten over the head with some respect for the ancients / history
22:47 trinque but I was less educated than you
22:47 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 1 important diff: jobs pay
22:47 verisimilitude Oh, my mistake then.
22:48 asciilifeform trinque: it is good that someone got ~sumthing~ outta it, lol
22:49 asciilifeform if only that e.g. trinque read caesar etc
22:51 asciilifeform asciilifeform got... what, hm.. a ~working btc client ? it worx. but how much fun is it w/out serious coin.
22:56 asciilifeform trinque: re 'profit centers', asciilifeform was cured of this notion when rubbed face 1st into e.g. 'no, there is not market for uncensored undns'd hosting', 'no, there aint a silent majority yearning for nonwhitened trng', etc
22:56 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-20 19:00:15 asciilifeform: it is also the case that rng as commercial product is a very questionable biz proposition. it takes quite a bit of 'adulthood' to even get to a place where you actually benefit from a 1000 $ rng. for instance, microshit victims dun really win anyffin from using whatever external rng.
22:57 trinque yep, I was just reflecting on the exact same over here.
22:58 trinque there's really no move but to get wealth in this circumstance, and once had, why do anything but keep it
22:59 asciilifeform the folx w/ 'infinite dough', only interested in ego fellatio & cocaine. the folx who are interested in other things, have ~no dough. and often enuff even no clue, wouldn't know what to do w/ whatever gear even if gave to'em for phree.
22:59 verisimilitude People get upset with me when I tell them my ``dream job'' is getting money for doing nothing.
22:59 trinque verisimilitude: how good do you look with a wig on?
22:59 trinque (kidding)
23:00 asciilifeform verisimilitude: you dun seem to be doing 'nothing' tho
23:00 verisimilitude The point of this is I refuse to dream of working for someone else.
23:00 asciilifeform seems like verisimilitude , like e.g. asciilifeform and 1e9 other folx, has 'something' he would like to do.
23:00 trinque I'm sure this macroexpands to "I have control of my time"
23:00 asciilifeform ^
23:00 * trinque this also, and is happy to park it in "middle class derp" status to achieve
23:01 asciilifeform asciilifeform, for example, would like to build a proper comp. knows how, too. but 'fuck you, here's yer wheelbarrow'
23:01 trinque possible enough to take back one's time if lifestyle doesn't inflate to income
23:01 verisimilitude I've plenty of things I do, and want to do, but I'd prefer to get money merely for existing.
23:02 asciilifeform verisimilitude: problem is that 1e10 other folx also want
23:02 verisimilitude Plenty of people have serious ``dream jobs''.
23:02 trinque verisimilitude: please accept this very long string of numbers as a gift, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
23:02 trinque you may spend it wherever you wish
23:02 asciilifeform heh
23:03 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i've not met 'luvv mah jerb!11' people except as serious psychiatric cases of delusion
23:03 verisimilitude I simply mean anything else is willing servitude.
23:03 asciilifeform 'if you luvv it, why are they having to pay you'
23:03 verisimilitude The very notion of a ``dream job'' is that people should aspire for such.
23:04 asciilifeform verisimilitude: eh these 'aspires' are simply reich agitprop.
23:04 trinque "all available work is a scam" is pretty defensible
23:04 verisimilitude No corresponding communist propaganda comes to mind, but I'd wager it exists.
23:04 asciilifeform don't read the birdcage liners, verisimilitude . there aint 'dream jerb'.
23:04 verisimilitude I've a nice ``dream job''.
23:05 asciilifeform verisimilitude: if it's an invalid pension, or inheritance, or similar (and indeed they're similar), wait till bread is 500$/kg
23:06 verisimilitude I now remember back when I wanted to be a college professor, before I realized what that truly meant.
23:06 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i did time in various quasi-academic shitholes, was cured yrs ago, of this
23:07 asciilifeform ( and see also e.g. )
23:07 verisimilitude Yes.
23:07 verisimilitude It's a shame I don't know Tarver's email address, so I might bother him.
23:08 asciilifeform verisimilitude: he quotes from asciilifeform's www. but never commented.
23:08 asciilifeform iirc i invited him to #t one time, came to nuffin.
23:09 asciilifeform verisimilitude: there wasn't 'similar' communist agitprop. sovok didn't peddle 'follow dream!1111' flavour of syrup. instead 'die with honour for motherland'.
23:10 verisimilitude Oh, so it was the ``Which part of the military do you want to die in?'' flavour?
23:11 asciilifeform aha
23:11 asciilifeform except upbeat, rather than depressing/decerebrating as in today's reich
23:12 * asciilifeform utterly wiped out; off to bed
23:12 verisimilitude Goodnight, then.
23:16 * trinque off for now too, night.
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