#asciilifeform | 2020-10-31

qur70: who might you be ?

11:38

qur70: please read the subjline of this chan.

11:39

$ticker btc usd

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btcinfobot

Current BTC price in USD: $13818.7

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!w poll

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Polling 16 nodes...

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.047s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.088s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=654854 (Operator: whaack)

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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.085s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.132s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.221s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

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176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.243s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391673 (Operator: jurov)

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84.16.46.130:8333 : (182518.pk.3pp.slovanet.sk) Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=431451

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213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.328s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=654891

11:40

185.163.46.29:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!

~ 16 minutes ~

11:57

hello asciilifeform. I've been thinking about http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019561 and have an idea.

11:57

Logged on 2020-08-16 20:57:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019551 << this in fact is tru; but to this day asciilifeform can't think of an alt. algo that'd actually guarantee consistency for all possible press points. (if trinque or anyone else can -- i'ma all ears.)

11:58

iirc the prompt for the manifest was my and others' observation that two edits to the same file by two different contributors is undecidable. do I have that part right?

11:58

if so, what's suddenly the obvious solution is that there can be no such thing as two equal contributors in the eyes of the pressor.

11:59

one's wot in V must be ordered, and preferenced in terms of rank.

12:00

still loading the old thread into my head again, but I'm curious if this rings any bells on your end.

12:03

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-26#1759100 << for those interested.

12:03

(trilema) 2017-12-26 mircea_popescu: how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".

~ 26 minutes ~

12:30

trinque: wots are inescapably ordered -- errybody already orders self above l1, l1 above l2, etc. and if contradiction within a level, then must resolve. simply this did not come up in mechanical systems afaik. but easily could.

12:31

yep, more or less saying that "the concept of wot was not fully imported into V yet"

12:32

for that matter, I'm questioning whether any two wot-edges with same start-point can be of exactly the same weight

12:32

what'd that even mean? who trusts two people exactly the same

12:32

trinque: could argue that the ~necessary~ subset of it ~was~ imported. and that the rest (e.g. how to resolve contradictions) was done by muscle power and perhaps oughta be

12:37

trinque: imho this is still a useful line of thought, tho, for e.g. hypothetical vtronic p2p mirror system and any other large-scale apparatus which rides on wot.

12:37

Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?

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adlai seconds "order by 'rank'", i.e., one can prioritize both for and against various code smells.

12:38

any wot connected to automatic machinery gotta be ordered. so then can resolve if x, in l1, says 'a' and some y, y!=x, in l1, says '~a'

12:39

trinque: who trusts two signing keys equivalently, is unable to compose concise search queries for anything mircea wrote while voyaging.

12:40

trinque: in 'v', i simply made any contradiction or graph-cyclicity (or ~any~ other 'mistake of pilotage') to be a fatal eggog. this is imho appropriate for a 'manual gearbox' as i designed the item to be. but for e.g. p2p nets, gotta handle all cases.

12:40

adlai: the 'rank' can be, keep in mind, anything you like. even if it is 'names in alphabetic order'. but the resulting list has to be well-ordered.

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adlai represents the perspective of someone who is nominally 'in-wot', although never attended the relevant 'conferences' and has the least reliable kyristor-linkage into you-all's trb tree.

12:41

adlai: trinque was making a mathematical observation, rather than re: 'who likes whom in the meangirls clique'

12:41

adlai: see also.

12:43

asciilifeform: agreed; I fallback again to the idea of equivalence classes: in this case, the offending boojums are most infuriatingly apt to be the characters that should not have semantic weight, yet get signed by the vpatch algorithm.

12:43

adlai: plox to elaborate ?

12:44

asciilifeform: indeed, it's the line of thinking past v/gossiptronic linux that brought me to this

12:45

brb, need calories for brainbox

12:45

trinque: makes sense

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asciilifeform also bbl, expect in coupla hr

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adlai allocates one hour for elaboration of (deftype equivalence-class (&whole shebang) ..) that hinges upon standardized character predicates

12:51

and, earlier along the fifo: deliberately reactor-testing a subgraph's well-ordering property is `!!rate 0` in my book: i.e., depends upon specific cases of automatability for given combinations of a subgraph's purpose, and the enumerated [past tense!] purposes [finite] of compiler operators and executors.

12:52

avoiding key reuse obviates this specific example of a zero rating.

12:53

'averseing' may be more accurate, as lamport and otherwise single-signature keys are quite a nuisance for production systems designed to automate the software update process.

~ 1 hours 8 minutes ~

14:01

due to progress!!!!! resulting in EOF before delimiter, I proceed in alphachars rather than symbolic expressions.

14:03

c.f. "when last time rote proggv?" arguable contender was, in 2018, some dinky little "well actually dual spaces can be computed thus"; I recall writing the version in RosettaCode, although I do not recall investigating correctness of anything other than the few given arithmetic examples, and naturally, "mais ceci n'est rien de trouver"

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adlai burps, "perhaps, like fine hwines, brogrammers must be aged for a couple years within the 'vow of unsignability' revolving door of the military-industrial broshockracy before regaining the capability of enjoying the work"

14:07

"m-i b" ~= e.g. ... best practices of provably-pungent maximally unoptimizable dies

14:14

adlai: really meaning no specific ill, you do realize that you fatigue me with the way you communicate?

14:15

"behold as I leap laterally across metaphor spaces and chuckle to myselves"

14:16

henceforth limited to deeds, mail [googlelectronic inclusiveor snail], private message, spam in other chan, etc

~ 3 hours 13 minutes ~

17:30

trinque: i suspect there's a minor bug in deedbot's handling of irc liquishit

17:32

adlai: trinque's right, y'know. yer approaching Vexual's level of 'speech w/out intent to communicate'. i rec that you stop, or will eventually end up in same place.

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Logged on 2020-10-31 14:14:42 trinque: adlai: really meaning no specific ill, you do realize that you fatigue me with the way you communicate?

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Conny40: you have 1/2hr to introduce yerself. see subj line of channel.

~ 42 minutes ~

18:15

huh, yep, definitely not handling that message correctly.

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