#asciilifeform | 2020-07-25

02:23

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016748 << I have written useful scripts, yea.

02:23

Logged on 2020-07-19 12:31:14 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: outta curiosity -- didja ever actually program in that horror, or simply find appealing in theory ?

02:25

gregorynyssa

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016743 << I had to look that up. if I may say so, doesn't sound bad.

02:25

snsabot

Logged on 2020-07-19 12:27:08 asciilifeform: recall t. edison's last biz venture ? chances are you don't: he sold cement furniture. 'clean, concise'...

02:25

gregorynyssa

"Why should a young couple go into debt to purchase furniture that will last only a few decades? Edison proposed that for half the money, they could obtain a house full of concrete furniture that would endure for eternity. Made with air-impregnated foam to keep the weight at only one-and-a-half times that of wooden furniture, Edison's line of concrete furnishings would be sanded and smoothed into a mirror-like finish or stained to look like w

02:25

gregorynyssa

https://science.howstuffworks.com/10-inventions-thomas-edison8.htm

02:34

gregorynyssa

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017066 << this phenomenon was prefigured by the earlier phenomenon where people would criticize perfectly working programs for not incorporating OOP. (to my understanding, OOP-worshipping has largely died down over the last few years.)

02:34

snsabot

Logged on 2020-07-24 13:17:34 asciilifeform: discovered many yrs ago that you can 'troll' the vermin simply by writing fits-in-head proggies that actually work and use 0 'trend' garbage. even if not accompanied by any human-readable political statement. is why even sumthing like trb will ~never be mentioned in the heathen pits (in any context other than 'them terrorists..')

~ 9 hours 30 minutes ~

12:05

02:23	gregorynyssa	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016748 << I have written useful scripts, yea.
02:23	snsabot	Logged on 2020-07-19 12:31:14 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: outta curiosity -- didja ever actually program in that horror, or simply find appealing in theory ?
02:25	gregorynyssa	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016743 << I had to look that up. if I may say so, doesn't sound bad.
02:25	snsabot	Logged on 2020-07-19 12:27:08 asciilifeform: recall t. edison's last biz venture ? chances are you don't: he sold cement furniture. 'clean, concise'...
02:25	gregorynyssa	"Why should a young couple go into debt to purchase furniture that will last only a few decades? Edison proposed that for half the money, they could obtain a house full of concrete furniture that would endure for eternity. Made with air-impregnated foam to keep the weight at only one-and-a-half times that of wooden furniture, Edison's line of concrete furnishings would be sanded and smoothed into a mirror-like finish or stained to look like w
02:25	gregorynyssa	https://science.howstuffworks.com/10-inventions-thomas-edison8.htm
02:34	gregorynyssa	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017066 << this phenomenon was prefigured by the earlier phenomenon where people would criticize perfectly working programs for not incorporating OOP. (to my understanding, OOP-worshipping has largely died down over the last few years.)
02:34	snsabot	Logged on 2020-07-24 13:17:34 asciilifeform: discovered many yrs ago that you can 'troll' the vermin simply by writing fits-in-head proggies that actually work and use 0 'trend' garbage. even if not accompanied by any human-readable political statement. is why even sumthing like trb will ~never be mentioned in the heathen pits (in any context other than 'them terrorists..')
		~ 9 hours 30 minutes ~
12:05	asciilifeform	gregorynyssa: very good point re oopism. and arguably descended, at least in part, from much older american traditions of 'salvation through method'
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12:06	asciilifeform	gregorynyssa: imho it is sadly mistake to suppose that 'oop worship died' -- rather it became a stolid 'state church', in e.g. the uncountable blighted java saltmines , the oopism prayer wheels turn to this day
12:07	asciilifeform	gregorynyssa: ... or, read just about any ball of py liquishit on shithub. all the thoroughly redundant oop you could ever want, in there .
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12:08	asciilifeform	( see also re motivations of 'ideological' oop pushers. )
12:08	asciilifeform	!w poll
12:08	watchglass	Polling 12 nodes...
12:08	watchglass	205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.033s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747 (Operator: asciilifeform)
12:08	watchglass	205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.086s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
12:08	watchglass	205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
12:08	watchglass	143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
12:08	watchglass	208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.167s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
12:08	watchglass	192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.205s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640746
12:08	watchglass	176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.265s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=235865 (Operator: jurov)
12:08	watchglass	213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.274s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
12:08	watchglass	108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.931s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747 (Operator: asciilifeform)
12:09	watchglass	205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
12:09	watchglass	188.121.168.69:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
12:09	watchglass	103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
12:11	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017164 << curious, didja end up finding the cure? i was thinking, might be high time to get rid of the 'default silence' of makefiles. then could actually see why build barfs, in any given instance.
12:11	snsabot	Logged on 2020-07-24 23:01:48 trinque: the gnat built from the host system works, but does this when it builds itself in the chroot. I must indeed have mangled paths somewhere.
12:12	asciilifeform	(i.e. show ALL flags of any given invocation. why exactly does gnumake default-hide the actual shellouts ? never made any sense to me )
12:12	asciilifeform	gprbuild incidentally suffers from same birth defect.
12:14	asciilifeform	imho The Right Thing would be to force'em to print not only complete shellouts, but env flags. erry time.
12:14	asciilifeform	put perma-end to 'which headers dir is it eating' etc. hair-pulling sessions.
12:17	trinque	couldn't agree more, would be a fine vpatch after this is sorted out.
12:17	trinque	haven't fixed yet; I'm going to run an ave1 build, and snag the sources directly from there, see what's different about my gcc tree, if anything.
12:18	asciilifeform	trinque: depending on how gnarly 'this', might even be worth ~before~
12:18	asciilifeform	would in principle make 'sorting out' a 5min instead of ~week job.
12:23	asciilifeform	trinque: (afaik complete) ave1 deps if you need'em.