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00:17 Vexual $3 send with a $5 fee. it's not new
00:21 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UILXqPii8go
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00:50 adlai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-19#1012604 << re:this,and previous 2 lines: remember http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-12-30#1593195 ? apparently most, if not all, people who use irc and read blogs are just a slight bit more timid than the average introvert
00:50 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-19 10:41:59 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-18#1012594 << why ty. wai not comment tho.
00:50 snsabot (trilema) 2016-12-30 ben_vulpes: for those who *still* miss the point, joining and parting is opening and closing the squeaky doors on a hall where 5 people are arguing and 500 muffling laughter and groans
00:51 Vexual hello adlai. still drunk?
00:51 adlai also, the whole "this is my castle, that is her castle, i don't like your programs so you get your own castle, courtesy of the PDPC" bit probably made folks hesitant to speak anywhere for any reason whatsoever
00:51 adlai Vexual: of course, how else is one supposed to banish hangover demons?
00:52 Vexual shame spirals ftw
00:52 * adlai has begun rereading one of the "king arthur" yarns, the one that tells it from merlin's pov. apparently starting to drink at age 17 is about a decade too late.
00:52 adlai still, at least i didn't begin at 27, like the folks who bought bitcoin at 17 and sold it at 25.
00:55 Vexual you got sent to the arm straight outta scool rihgt?
00:56 Vexual prolly on signals
00:56 adlai what is this, a niven fan convention?
00:56 adlai i got conscripted to the local militia because the state conscripts.
00:56 Vexual we're just chatting. people always assume i'm an officer
00:57 adlai officer of what exactly
00:57 Vexual of police. i dunno
00:57 adlai that's probably because you use irc
00:58 adlai maybe also because you look like a cop. have you tried hitting a cop? this usually makes you look less like a cop, at least, from the perspective of the hit cop.
00:58 Vexual I had to nod at some cunt on a yeild sign
00:59 Vexual aout of unifrom nooded like I should move
00:59 Vexual I noddel like `you move'
00:59 adlai nah dude. engine off, keys out, walk over, stand out of turn radius, point at open road. their move!
01:00 adlai worst case? they kidnap you and sell the car.
01:00 Vexual I shouls have movced like that
01:00 adlai second worst case? they kill you and leave the car as a memorial.
01:00 Vexual In acutuallity. I moved
01:00 adlai other cases left as exercise for william gibson
01:00 Vexual who dat?
01:00 adlai wrote books, maybe still does
01:01 Vexual one wonders if f were allowed to have discussions in alf's house?
01:07 adlai you appear to be making excessive use of the subjunctive mood.
01:09 adlai regarding your earlier questions: i have returned, with a stronger drink than before; and although signals were beamed in my direction repeatedly, i failed out of smart kid interviews and never had much of a chance at fast crawler tryouts.
01:10 adlai this must have pleasantly surprised my mother, who kept filling my head during the preceeding decade with nonsense about how i crawled so much as a baby. guess what, mom, baby is no longer a baby. crawling is not easy work!
01:10 adlai however, i was still useful at the tryouts, since i got injured in the crawling race, so they dumped me on a stretcher and those who weren't injured, had to carry it.
01:11 adlai this is not the exact truth, although the truth is left as an exercise in hippocampal fidelity for anyone present at both occasions.
~ 28 minutes ~
01:40 adlai Vexual: incidentally, in what situations to "people always assume [you're] an officer"?
01:41 adlai e.g., i often wonder whether people think i'm a plainclothes prompter for off-duty military folks, since i've had a bunch of conversations that could've interested the kind of people who do this for a living
01:41 adlai thankfully, israel is a small country, within a smaller world, everyone knows everyone else, and nobody has any secrets anyway
01:42 adlai this is also why we drink.
~ 7 hours 48 minutes ~
09:30 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-19#1012622 << fella evaporated w/out even leading addr afaik
09:30 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-19 22:51:23 Vexual: mebbe send coin to wake phf? shareware worked once upon a time
09:32 asciilifeform lol adlai , thrown outta the corps again ?
09:34 asciilifeform in other noose, 1337 w4r3z.
09:36 asciilifeform in particular, good n00b fodder << adlai , shinohai , possib. other folx
09:38 shinohai neato asciilifeform, saved.
09:38 asciilifeform shinohai: rec to grab things while can, these dun usually live long
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09:58 asciilifeform !w poll
09:58 watchglass Polling 11 nodes...
09:58 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Could not connect!
09:58 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.024s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.051s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 (Operator: asciilifeform)
09:58 watchglass 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 (Operator: asciilifeform)
09:58 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.169s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.221s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.401s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061
09:58 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
09:58 watchglass 188.121.168.69:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
~ 3 hours 18 minutes ~
13:16 asciilifeform wb PeterL
13:18 asciilifeform !q seen PeterL
13:18 snsabot PeterL last seen here on 2020-05-08 12:41:03: I dunno, A# paper sizes make more sense to me, I wish Americans would switch.
13:19 PeterL Hi there again
13:19 asciilifeform how's the organiker biz, PeterL ?
13:21 PeterL it's ok. I'm more of an "analytic-er" these days, I run an LC-MS. Which I guess is still organic chemistry mainly, but it is not the same as the synthetic stuff I used to do
13:24 asciilifeform at one pt asciilifeform considered to buy a gc/ms setup, but not needed badly enuff, balked at the physical space req'd
13:26 asciilifeform ( unlike the xray people, who have audacity to want 4fig $ PER PHOTO , the analytic folx charge pretty reasonable rates )
13:26 PeterL GC-MS needs about 1 to 2 sq m of counter, plus a place to stick a gas cylinder, not a huge footprint for a lab, but I see how you wouldn't want to keep it in your garage
13:27 asciilifeform aha wants the gas, and reasonably temperature-stable room
13:27 PeterL cleanliness helps too
13:27 asciilifeform ( gas, turns out, avail. at welding co's )
13:28 PeterL all you need is H2?
13:28 PeterL I guess some of them use He as the gas
13:28 asciilifeform i thought moar typically ar/xe
13:29 PeterL depends on the model. I think the one I used (was about 5 years ago) ran on He, but due to shortages in He they have been converting to H2
13:29 asciilifeform promises to make for some picturesque industrial oopses
13:30 * asciilifeform couldn't bring himself to keep bottle of h2 on desk
13:31 asciilifeform PeterL: he shortage is usg's doing, dhs bought up ~errything for he-3 for neutron detectors
13:32 asciilifeform PeterL: do anyffin interesting w/ softs lately ?
13:33 asciilifeform PeterL: btw this since you were last here .
13:33 PeterL In the synthetic lab I worked in we had a row of gas bottles with H2, CO, CO2, and a H2/CO mix. Every time the safety people came around they would complain that there were too many gas cylinders too close together.
13:34 asciilifeform wat's the h2/co mix for ?
13:35 PeterL syngas, iirc we were using it to add a carbonyl group to alkenes
13:37 PeterL and yes, I have been following the logs
13:38 PeterL I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head
13:42 PeterL there is not currently a FZ_rotate in FFA, right?
13:46 asciilifeform nope
13:47 PeterL would it look something like this? http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XJcY
13:47 asciilifeform there's a placeholder, it'll be added towards the end (not rly essential, imho, knob)
13:47 asciilifeform PeterL: moar complicated. remember, it has to be constant-time, just like quiet_shift_left/right
13:48 asciilifeform ~and~ , like qshift, handle all possible subword/multiword shiftnesses
13:48 PeterL wouldn't this be constant time?
13:49 asciilifeform PeterL: nope. for one thing, yours addresses memory by a secret
13:49 asciilifeform in RotatedN(Q) := RotatedN(Q) or Carry;
13:51 asciilifeform rotate gotta work like quiet_shift_... work .
13:51 PeterL but it is cycling through all the possible addresses in RotatedN, so wouldn't that use the same amount of time no matter which number you start at?
13:51 asciilifeform the cited line is from outside the loop neh
13:52 PeterL hmm, I suppose that is true
13:53 asciilifeform PeterL: the 'official' answer to that exercise involves 2 calls to qshift and an or. i simply haven't glued it in yet.
13:54 * asciilifeform thought 'wai distract reader w/ knob that dun get currently used for anyffin'
13:55 PeterL Ah, I see: qshift left N, qshift right (bitness - N), OR the results
13:55 asciilifeform there you go.
13:55 PeterL mod the N before starting?
13:55 asciilifeform shifts already mod the n
13:56 PeterL ah, right
13:56 PeterL I'm reading qshift right now as review
13:56 asciilifeform ( cuz the shift amt is constrained to the fz_bitness bottom bits of the given amt )
13:56 asciilifeform err, the bitness of the fz_bitness
13:56 asciilifeform i think it's clear if you look
13:57 asciilifeform the qshifts , for ref.
13:59 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-20#1012709 << arguably it's a forth, simply w/ moar brutal syntax
13:59 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-20 13:38:44 PeterL: I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head
13:59 PeterL saying "it's a forth" does not make it any easier for those of us who have never seen forth before :)
14:00 asciilifeform ( and some fascisms to constrain subroutine calls, to make easier to reason re execution time 'with naked eye' )
14:00 asciilifeform ah
14:04 asciilifeform PeterL: i take an interest in 'n00b's pov of the lang', dun hesitate to comment re sharp edges etc.
14:09 PeterL so what happens if you shift more than the size of your FZ?
14:11 asciilifeform mod
14:11 asciilifeform try it
14:12 * asciilifeform considered whether to make it an eggog, but decided to keep the 'mod' behaviour -- esp. considering that already shift only takes low word of FZ as the shiftness
14:15 asciilifeform ( subj: left , right )
14:29 PeterL I guess I was expecting that if you shift a 256 bit number either way 256 bits you would end up with all 0, not what you started with?
14:36 PeterL or if I right shift 128 and then right shift 128 again, that should be the same as right shifting 256
~ 41 minutes ~
15:18 asciilifeform PeterL: i went w/ consistency above all. i.e. with a 256-bit FZ, only 8 bits of shiftness value are logically meaningful. so attempting to shift by 256 (a 9-bit quantity) is meaningless.
15:19 asciilifeform would've made it an eggog, but then for consistency would have to check ENTIRE fz above max shift bitness for nullity. which is ruinously slow.
15:20 asciilifeform barrel shifters on many cpu archs actually behave this way, so there's precedent.
15:25 asciilifeform incidentally, in practical peh proggies, almost all shifts are by 1. in the final ch's, will introduce dedicated instrs for'em ( 'Rs' / 'Ls' ) .
15:25 asciilifeform the full qshift is pretty wasteful in shift-by-1 case.
15:35 PeterL would these shifts only be for 1 or by any number up to the word bitness?
~ 41 minutes ~
16:17 asciilifeform 1.
16:18 asciilifeform cuz then dun have to put a fz w/ the amt, on the stack.
16:19 asciilifeform (aaand then also dun have to be concerned w/ whether there's a barrel shifter, if there aint one , the subword qshifts gotta be used, if yer shift amt is variable )
16:26 verisimilitude Say, asciilifeform, there's no particular ``rhyme or reason'' to article publishing dates on loper-os, is there?
16:33 verisimilitude I enjoy choosing pleasant dates for such, and this was fine when I published once a month or so, as one may as well wait a few more days, but I increasingly feel the constraint when I miss a deadline, such as today, due to sloth having me resume work on the day of. At the same time, it's a decent method of pacing myself, so I don't have a glut of articles followed by long bouts of naught.
~ 53 minutes ~
17:26 asciilifeform verisimilitude: sadly no 'magic' dates. for 1st half yr of ffa, i had buncha material pre-written and queued up for fridays, but this fell apart when ran out of 'canned' and into gnarly unsolved things
17:31 asciilifeform in principle whole thing would be < 6mo of sweat; but (if you didn't know) asciilifeform has also day job.
17:32 asciilifeform most of the time spent on it, was for loading $piece back into head ea. time.
17:35 asciilifeform so no, no 'choose date', i post item after it's wrapped up & day or 2 of proofread.
~ 4 hours 52 minutes ~
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