| 00:17 |
Vexual |
$3 send with a $5 fee. it's not new |
| 00:21 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UILXqPii8go |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 00:50 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-19#1012604 << re:this,and previous 2 lines: remember http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-12-30#1593195 ? apparently most, if not all, people who use irc and read blogs are just a slight bit more timid than the average introvert |
| 00:50 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-05-19 10:41:59 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-18#1012594 << why ty. wai not comment tho. |
| 00:50 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2016-12-30 ben_vulpes: for those who *still* miss the point, joining and parting is opening and closing the squeaky doors on a hall where 5 people are arguing and 500 muffling laughter and groans |
| 00:51 |
Vexual |
hello adlai. still drunk? |
| 00:51 |
adlai |
also, the whole "this is my castle, that is her castle, i don't like your programs so you get your own castle, courtesy of the PDPC" bit probably made folks hesitant to speak anywhere for any reason whatsoever |
| 00:51 |
adlai |
Vexual: of course, how else is one supposed to banish hangover demons? |
| 00:52 |
Vexual |
shame spirals ftw |
| 00:52 |
* |
adlai has begun rereading one of the "king arthur" yarns, the one that tells it from merlin's pov. apparently starting to drink at age 17 is about a decade too late. |
| 00:52 |
adlai |
still, at least i didn't begin at 27, like the folks who bought bitcoin at 17 and sold it at 25. |
| 00:55 |
Vexual |
you got sent to the arm straight outta scool rihgt? |
| 00:56 |
Vexual |
prolly on signals |
| 00:56 |
adlai |
what is this, a niven fan convention? |
| 00:56 |
adlai |
i got conscripted to the local militia because the state conscripts. |
| 00:56 |
Vexual |
we're just chatting. people always assume i'm an officer |
| 00:57 |
adlai |
officer of what exactly |
| 00:57 |
Vexual |
of police. i dunno |
| 00:57 |
adlai |
that's probably because you use irc |
| 00:58 |
adlai |
maybe also because you look like a cop. have you tried hitting a cop? this usually makes you look less like a cop, at least, from the perspective of the hit cop. |
| 00:58 |
Vexual |
I had to nod at some cunt on a yeild sign |
| 00:59 |
Vexual |
aout of unifrom nooded like I should move |
| 00:59 |
Vexual |
I noddel like `you move' |
| 00:59 |
adlai |
nah dude. engine off, keys out, walk over, stand out of turn radius, point at open road. their move! |
| 01:00 |
adlai |
worst case? they kidnap you and sell the car. |
| 01:00 |
Vexual |
I shouls have movced like that |
| 01:00 |
adlai |
second worst case? they kill you and leave the car as a memorial. |
| 01:00 |
Vexual |
In acutuallity. I moved |
| 01:00 |
adlai |
other cases left as exercise for william gibson |
| 01:00 |
Vexual |
who dat? |
| 01:00 |
adlai |
wrote books, maybe still does |
| 01:01 |
Vexual |
one wonders if f were allowed to have discussions in alf's house? |
| 01:07 |
adlai |
you appear to be making excessive use of the subjunctive mood. |
| 01:09 |
adlai |
regarding your earlier questions: i have returned, with a stronger drink than before; and although signals were beamed in my direction repeatedly, i failed out of smart kid interviews and never had much of a chance at fast crawler tryouts. |
| 01:10 |
adlai |
this must have pleasantly surprised my mother, who kept filling my head during the preceeding decade with nonsense about how i crawled so much as a baby. guess what, mom, baby is no longer a baby. crawling is not easy work! |
| 01:10 |
adlai |
however, i was still useful at the tryouts, since i got injured in the crawling race, so they dumped me on a stretcher and those who weren't injured, had to carry it. |
| 01:11 |
adlai |
this is not the exact truth, although the truth is left as an exercise in hippocampal fidelity for anyone present at both occasions. |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 01:40 |
adlai |
Vexual: incidentally, in what situations to "people always assume [you're] an officer"? |
| 01:41 |
adlai |
e.g., i often wonder whether people think i'm a plainclothes prompter for off-duty military folks, since i've had a bunch of conversations that could've interested the kind of people who do this for a living |
| 01:41 |
adlai |
thankfully, israel is a small country, within a smaller world, everyone knows everyone else, and nobody has any secrets anyway |
| 01:42 |
adlai |
this is also why we drink. |
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~ 7 hours 48 minutes ~ |
| 09:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-19#1012622 << fella evaporated w/out even leading addr afaik |
| 09:30 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-05-19 22:51:23 Vexual: mebbe send coin to wake phf? shareware worked once upon a time |
| 09:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol adlai , thrown outta the corps again ? |
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| 09:34 |
asciilifeform |
in other noose, 1337 w4r3z. |
| 09:36 |
asciilifeform |
in particular, good n00b fodder << adlai , shinohai , possib. other folx |
| 09:38 |
shinohai |
neato asciilifeform, saved. |
| 09:38 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: rec to grab things while can, these dun usually live long |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
Polling 11 nodes... |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.024s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.051s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.169s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.221s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.401s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631061 |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.) |
| 09:58 |
watchglass |
188.121.168.69:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.) |
| |
~ 3 hours 18 minutes ~ |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
wb PeterL |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen PeterL |
| 13:18 |
snsabot |
PeterL last seen here on 2020-05-08 12:41:03: I dunno, A# paper sizes make more sense to me, I wish Americans would switch. |
| 13:19 |
PeterL |
Hi there again |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
how's the organiker biz, PeterL ? |
| 13:21 |
PeterL |
it's ok. I'm more of an "analytic-er" these days, I run an LC-MS. Which I guess is still organic chemistry mainly, but it is not the same as the synthetic stuff I used to do |
| 13:24 |
asciilifeform |
at one pt asciilifeform considered to buy a gc/ms setup, but not needed badly enuff, balked at the physical space req'd |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
( unlike the xray people, who have audacity to want 4fig $ PER PHOTO , the analytic folx charge pretty reasonable rates ) |
| 13:26 |
PeterL |
GC-MS needs about 1 to 2 sq m of counter, plus a place to stick a gas cylinder, not a huge footprint for a lab, but I see how you wouldn't want to keep it in your garage |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
aha wants the gas, and reasonably temperature-stable room |
| 13:27 |
PeterL |
cleanliness helps too |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
( gas, turns out, avail. at welding co's ) |
| 13:28 |
PeterL |
all you need is H2? |
| 13:28 |
PeterL |
I guess some of them use He as the gas |
| 13:28 |
asciilifeform |
i thought moar typically ar/xe |
| 13:29 |
PeterL |
depends on the model. I think the one I used (was about 5 years ago) ran on He, but due to shortages in He they have been converting to H2 |
| 13:29 |
asciilifeform |
promises to make for some picturesque industrial oopses |
| 13:30 |
* |
asciilifeform couldn't bring himself to keep bottle of h2 on desk |
| 13:31 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: he shortage is usg's doing, dhs bought up ~errything for he-3 for neutron detectors |
| 13:32 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: do anyffin interesting w/ softs lately ? |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: btw this since you were last here . |
| 13:33 |
PeterL |
In the synthetic lab I worked in we had a row of gas bottles with H2, CO, CO2, and a H2/CO mix. Every time the safety people came around they would complain that there were too many gas cylinders too close together. |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
wat's the h2/co mix for ? |
| 13:35 |
PeterL |
syngas, iirc we were using it to add a carbonyl group to alkenes |
| 13:37 |
PeterL |
and yes, I have been following the logs |
| 13:38 |
PeterL |
I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head |
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| 13:42 |
PeterL |
there is not currently a FZ_rotate in FFA, right? |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 13:47 |
PeterL |
would it look something like this? http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XJcY |
| 13:47 |
asciilifeform |
there's a placeholder, it'll be added towards the end (not rly essential, imho, knob) |
| 13:47 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: moar complicated. remember, it has to be constant-time, just like quiet_shift_left/right |
| 13:48 |
asciilifeform |
~and~ , like qshift, handle all possible subword/multiword shiftnesses |
| 13:48 |
PeterL |
wouldn't this be constant time? |
| 13:49 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: nope. for one thing, yours addresses memory by a secret |
| 13:49 |
asciilifeform |
in RotatedN(Q) := RotatedN(Q) or Carry; |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
rotate gotta work like quiet_shift_... work . |
| 13:51 |
PeterL |
but it is cycling through all the possible addresses in RotatedN, so wouldn't that use the same amount of time no matter which number you start at? |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
the cited line is from outside the loop neh |
| 13:52 |
PeterL |
hmm, I suppose that is true |
| 13:53 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: the 'official' answer to that exercise involves 2 calls to qshift and an or. i simply haven't glued it in yet. |
| 13:54 |
* |
asciilifeform thought 'wai distract reader w/ knob that dun get currently used for anyffin' |
| 13:55 |
PeterL |
Ah, I see: qshift left N, qshift right (bitness - N), OR the results |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
there you go. |
| 13:55 |
PeterL |
mod the N before starting? |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
shifts already mod the n |
| 13:56 |
PeterL |
ah, right |
| 13:56 |
PeterL |
I'm reading qshift right now as review |
| 13:56 |
asciilifeform |
( cuz the shift amt is constrained to the fz_bitness bottom bits of the given amt ) |
| 13:56 |
asciilifeform |
err, the bitness of the fz_bitness |
| 13:56 |
asciilifeform |
i think it's clear if you look |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
the qshifts , for ref. |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-20#1012709 << arguably it's a forth, simply w/ moar brutal syntax |
| 13:59 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-05-20 13:38:44 PeterL: I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head |
| 13:59 |
PeterL |
saying "it's a forth" does not make it any easier for those of us who have never seen forth before :) |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
( and some fascisms to constrain subroutine calls, to make easier to reason re execution time 'with naked eye' ) |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
ah |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: i take an interest in 'n00b's pov of the lang', dun hesitate to comment re sharp edges etc. |
| 14:09 |
PeterL |
so what happens if you shift more than the size of your FZ? |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
mod |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
try it |
| 14:12 |
* |
asciilifeform considered whether to make it an eggog, but decided to keep the 'mod' behaviour -- esp. considering that already shift only takes low word of FZ as the shiftness |
| 14:15 |
asciilifeform |
( subj: left , right ) |
| 14:29 |
PeterL |
I guess I was expecting that if you shift a 256 bit number either way 256 bits you would end up with all 0, not what you started with? |
| 14:36 |
PeterL |
or if I right shift 128 and then right shift 128 again, that should be the same as right shifting 256 |
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~ 41 minutes ~ |
| 15:18 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: i went w/ consistency above all. i.e. with a 256-bit FZ, only 8 bits of shiftness value are logically meaningful. so attempting to shift by 256 (a 9-bit quantity) is meaningless. |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
would've made it an eggog, but then for consistency would have to check ENTIRE fz above max shift bitness for nullity. which is ruinously slow. |
| 15:20 |
asciilifeform |
barrel shifters on many cpu archs actually behave this way, so there's precedent. |
| 15:25 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, in practical peh proggies, almost all shifts are by 1. in the final ch's, will introduce dedicated instrs for'em ( 'Rs' / 'Ls' ) . |
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| 15:25 |
asciilifeform |
the full qshift is pretty wasteful in shift-by-1 case. |
| 15:35 |
PeterL |
would these shifts only be for 1 or by any number up to the word bitness? |
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~ 41 minutes ~ |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
1. |
| 16:18 |
asciilifeform |
cuz then dun have to put a fz w/ the amt, on the stack. |
| 16:19 |
asciilifeform |
(aaand then also dun have to be concerned w/ whether there's a barrel shifter, if there aint one , the subword qshifts gotta be used, if yer shift amt is variable ) |
| 16:26 |
verisimilitude |
Say, asciilifeform, there's no particular ``rhyme or reason'' to article publishing dates on loper-os, is there? |
| 16:33 |
verisimilitude |
I enjoy choosing pleasant dates for such, and this was fine when I published once a month or so, as one may as well wait a few more days, but I increasingly feel the constraint when I miss a deadline, such as today, due to sloth having me resume work on the day of. At the same time, it's a decent method of pacing myself, so I don't have a glut of articles followed by long bouts of naught. |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: sadly no 'magic' dates. for 1st half yr of ffa, i had buncha material pre-written and queued up for fridays, but this fell apart when ran out of 'canned' and into gnarly unsolved things |
| 17:31 |
asciilifeform |
in principle whole thing would be < 6mo of sweat; but (if you didn't know) asciilifeform has also day job. |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
most of the time spent on it, was for loading $piece back into head ea. time. |
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| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
so no, no 'choose date', i post item after it's wrapped up & day or 2 of proofread. |
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~ 4 hours 52 minutes ~ |
| 22:28 |
feedbot |
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