#asciilifeform | 2020-02-01

15:44

http://qntra.net/2020/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2020-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2020 Report

~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~

16:47

http://qntra.net/2020/02/pantsuitist-illinois-house-speaker-madigans-office-hit-with-search-warrant/ << Qntra -- Pantsuitist Illinois House Speaker Madigan's Office Hit With Search Warrant

~ 43 minutes ~

17:30

feedbot

http://qntra.net/2020/02/openwrt-package-checksums-not-checked-opening-mitm-opportunities-and-further-downstream-havok/ << Qntra -- OpenWRT Package Checksums Not Checked Opening MITM Opportunities And Further Downstream Havok

~ 3 hours 29 minutes ~

21:00

Apocalyptic

asciilifeform: do you have experience with this claim ?

21:00

snsabot

(trilema) 2020-02-01 mircea_popescu: it doesn't even fucking save memory, the five bytes this'll save over a lifetime is dwarved by the five megabytes in extra libc needed to support the insanity

21:01

Apocalyptic

evaluating expression in if blocks seem to be well defined in C89, why would you need 5 MB, let alone extra libc to support that ?

21:02

asciilifeform

Apocalyptic: the part re 'massive chunk of libc' is plain nonsense, libc has 0 to do w/ the c grammar, and i've built 'over 9000' c proggies w/out libc linked

21:02

asciilifeform

Apocalyptic: even if were re the co

21:02

Apocalyptic

that was my thinking as well, had to double check

21:02

asciilifeform

compiler -- still exaggeration

21:03

Apocalyptic

I can see massive chunk of libc to be involved only by including new calls to functions

21:03

Apocalyptic

which clearly isn't the case here

21:05

shinohai

php. It rots the brain.

21:05

Apocalyptic

anyway just another mp-claim from arse then

~ 20 minutes ~

21:26

asciilifeform

shinohai: fella doesn't program. this has both + and - sides. very often had ~right~ idea of 'how ought to work' specifically because not absorbed 'industry standard' nonsense.

21:28

asciilifeform

moreover, i dun expect folx who never had occasion to write (even toy) compiler, to have solid idea re what syntactic knobs are expensive to implement, and which -- cheap

21:30

asciilifeform

this sometimes applies even to folx who nominally 'went in for book larnin-'. e.g. gosling had notion that lambdas 'cost too much' when shat forth java. and van rossum, similarly, re python

21:31

asciilifeform

difficult to evaluate costs/roi of thing you dun use. there's a very specific mindset of some designers, where 'you wouldn't ask cow re how to design meat processing plant'

21:32

asciilifeform