12:49 |
thimbronion |
I'm restarting the alethepedia project. I'm going to attempt to use apify.com again, but with better project specifications that take into account the shortcomings of the last attempt. |
12:50 |
thimbronion |
Moving focus away from the search bot for now since I came up with a prototype but hardly anyone was interested in using it. |
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12:50 |
thimbronion |
Also, as trinque noted, what's the point of building for IRC? |
12:51 |
thimbronion |
Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs. |
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12:54 |
thimbronion |
Also I definitely was never subject to CO poisoning - likely some metabolic problem in combination with sleep apnea catching up with me. |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
wb thimbronion |
12:56 |
thimbronion |
ty |
12:56 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: when did you come to think that you suffered CO poisoning? i dun recall the thread |
12:57 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-11-01#1001091 |
12:57 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-11-01 19:11:01 thimbronion: May also have been suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning over the past few weeks, we shall see. |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
aah |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
where asciilifeform lives, is commonplace to install detectors |
12:59 |
thimbronion |
yeah the were installed - never went off |
12:59 |
thimbronion |
I did buy a device that shows levels in real time - occasionally went very high, but I think it |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: get the ones which have lcd showing peak ppm |
12:59 |
thimbronion |
's just defective. Bought another that constanly reads 0. |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
(and test w/ chainsaw motor or similar) |
13:00 |
thimbronion |
Anyway, moved out of that place to another without a gas fireplace. |
13:01 |
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asciilifeform always wanted a gas fireplace, to build plasma speaker in |
13:02 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: the cottage is still available for rent afaik! |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: where was this? cr? |
13:05 |
thimbronion |
Sacramento, CA |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
aa lol |
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13:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002293 << if you have interest in sawing on my old logger -- would be nifty to get working backlinks (a la phf) |
13:37 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-21 12:51:53 thimbronion: Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs. |
13:38 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: can you show me an example? |
13:39 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: recall the hand icons in ye olde btcbase log www ? |
13:40 |
thimbronion |
ah yes |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. each line linked to 1 or moar times would be displayed with series of 'hands', the latter, when clicked, would take to the line where said index was cited) |
13:41 |
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asciilifeform intended to implement this feature but never finished |
13:42 |
asciilifeform |
there are imho more pressing bugs/missing knobs in my logotron (e.g. lack of doublequote string search) ftr. |
13:43 |
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asciilifeform will be surprised if anyone other than himself picks up these jobs, but always ready to be pleasantly surprised.. |
13:47 |
thimbronion |
if asciilifeform is willing to do the PM role, I could possibly donate some btc to make these things happen. |
13:48 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: we're taking about perhaps 20-30 loc, not mega-project imho |
13:51 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: whoever took it on might be useful on other bigger projects? Idk. I'm interested enough to donate btc but don't have the energy level to do it myself right now. |
13:52 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: thimbronion: do you recall the old #t thread re bounties ? |
13:52 |
thimbronion |
only that it exists. |
13:52 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma try & excavate, 1s |
13:53 |
asciilifeform |
subj. |
13:53 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2018-06-12 asciilifeform: considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ? |
13:56 |
thimbronion |
Firstly, is software consulting == bounty? |
13:57 |
asciilifeform |
traditionally, is called this when the problem set is public & given in advance |
13:57 |
asciilifeform |
(and expectation is that solvers are paid for solution, rather than hours etc) |
13:59 |
thimbronion |
Why not spec out the project, get an estimate of hours from bidders and pay hourly? |
14:00 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: you could, is how heathen commercial softwarism traditionally works. imho results not very impressive tho, typically. |
14:02 |
thimbronion |
The results you provide are impressive, I'm sure. |
14:03 |
thimbronion |
I have had pretty bad results from using the various odesk type sites. |
14:03 |
thimbronion |
otoh, the consultancy I work for provides very high quality results. |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: imho there ain't such a thing as 'impressive' horse in a 6-horse harness. which is how heathendom typically worx re software dev |
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asciilifeform moar recently working as 1-horse, can't tell how 'impressed' customer is necessarily, but hasn't run away yet fwiw |
14:05 |
thimbronion |
I've worked with indian and chinese spaghetti factories, as well as with more ethical shops. |
14:06 |
thimbronion |
Ethical shops are pricey. |
14:06 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: what means here 'ethical' ? |
14:07 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: for example leaving the code in a maintainable state. |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
aa |
14:07 |
thimbronion |
documentation |
14:07 |
thimbronion |
testing |
14:10 |
thimbronion |
Quality costs well in excess of 100/hr in my experience. |
14:12 |
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asciilifeform has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked |
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14:12 |
thimbronion |
It's tough to get quality people for less than a 6 month gig. |
14:16 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: obv. depends on particular flavour of the sofwarism, but in the industry at large -- outright charlatans seem to outnumber actual practitioners ~10:1 |
14:16 |
snsabot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-02-13 asciilifeform: curiousd0g: at one point i had fella with master diploma and perfect marks walk in. 'computer engineering'. couldn't helloworld. |
14:17 |
thimbronion |
Oh yeah. |
14:19 |
thimbronion |
It seems like ben_vulpes should be able to dig someone up, if he were willing. |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen-anywhere ben_vulpes |
14:19 |
snsabot |
ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to |
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14:58 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-02-11#1002232 << you must have hated The Witcher then. |
14:58 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-02-11 09:45:00 thimbronion: trinque: pozing originally meant intentionally infecting a gay sex partner with aids. In this case I'm using the term to describe the addition of lgbtq, female, and non-white characters to the plot for political rather than dramatic reasons. |
14:58 |
gregorynyssa |
aside from the fact that the writing was just awful. |
14:58 |
gregorynyssa |
I am watching Deutschland 83. |
14:59 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems? |
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14:59 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-21 14:12:31 asciilifeform: has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked |
14:59 |
thimbronion |
gregorynyssa: It started off great. |
15:00 |
gregorynyssa |
asciilifeform: your story about the note-taking GUI with inline tags was great. |
15:01 |
thimbronion |
But when they brought in the 1 in 7,000,000,0000 black german speaking general and made him a major plot point it kind of ruined it. |
15:02 |
thimbronion |
And they gay brother |
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16:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002360 << e.g., or cr50 thing, and 'over 9000' other |
16:11 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-21 14:59:39 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems? |
16:11 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2018-09-09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla times in recent yrs asciilifeform , in saeculum, was asked to recruit various hands ( programmers, reversers, etc ) and you can prolly guess result |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
tbf normally i dun even think of trying to hire anyone to do anything. it's simply a recipe for saying goodbyte to $maxint with ~0 to show for it. |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
'if you want something done properly, do it with own hands'. |
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16:33 |
asciilifeform |
*goodbye to |
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20:10 |
thimbronion |
this doing with own hands thing doesn't scale |
20:10 |
thimbronion |
there's just too much to do |
20:15 |
thimbronion |
what's the point of money if you can't get other people to do stuff you want for it? |
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20:56 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: if what you want is e.g. have cement mixed -- can have. and scales. |
20:56 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: software, on other hand... the historical experience aint good. |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
entire field is catastrophically braindamaged in a way that defies description (while universally, if unspokenly, known to the practitioners.) |
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20:58 |
thimbronion |
meh it's a python script |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
just about erry problem therein only exists on account of previous 'solutions' |
20:59 |
thimbronion |
it's not ADA |
20:59 |
thimbronion |
or, Ada |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: i thought thread was about such things as do not fit in own hands |
21:00 |
asciilifeform |
scaling etc |
21:00 |
thimbronion |
Start was iirc getting the additional work done on the logger |
21:01 |
thimbronion |
webshit dev scales |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
only if you find the typical webshitter's output acceptable. |
21:02 |
thimbronion |
Can't you review the code and tell them to rewrite? |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
this invariably takes at least as much time / effort as writing w/ own hands. |
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21:03 |
asciilifeform |
(arguably a proper review, where would be willing to sign, takes ~longer~ than writing from 0) |
21:06 |
thimbronion |
Some education may be involved |
21:06 |
thimbronion |
If the guy can't learn, fire and try another guy. |
21:07 |
thimbronion |
Then eventually you end up with a) completed project and b) competent coder |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
apprenticeship works, historically. but is rather different affair than 'hire mr.x to do $script' |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
requires serious investment on ~both~ sides of table. |
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21:27 |
thimbronion |
Is it worth it? |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
if folx dun find it 'worth it' -- curtain call for their civilization. |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't automatically guarantee that they will, naturally. |
21:32 |
thimbronion |
Weird thing is MP had no objection to paying people. AFICS only objected to paying males. |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
imho this is mistaken phrasing. he did not seek out relations that were based mainly on pay. |
21:34 |
thimbronion |
No objection. |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
this was 1 of the few places where to asciilifeform he made 100% sense. |
21:34 |
thimbronion |
He sought out - partnerships - where one partner was more equal than the other. |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
did not afaik believe in even theoretical possibility of any other kind. |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
like e.g. m. ghaddafi, will probably believe that no one is his equal even when the bayonet enters his arse. |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
narcissists afaik not curable. |
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asciilifeform bbl |