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12:49 thimbronion I'm restarting the alethepedia project. I'm going to attempt to use apify.com again, but with better project specifications that take into account the shortcomings of the last attempt.
12:50 thimbronion Moving focus away from the search bot for now since I came up with a prototype but hardly anyone was interested in using it.
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12:50 thimbronion Also, as trinque noted, what's the point of building for IRC?
12:51 thimbronion Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs.
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12:54 thimbronion Also I definitely was never subject to CO poisoning - likely some metabolic problem in combination with sleep apnea catching up with me.
12:55 asciilifeform wb thimbronion
12:56 thimbronion ty
12:56 asciilifeform thimbronion: when did you come to think that you suffered CO poisoning? i dun recall the thread
12:57 thimbronion asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-11-01#1001091
12:57 snsabot Logged on 2020-11-01 19:11:01 thimbronion: May also have been suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning over the past few weeks, we shall see.
12:57 asciilifeform aah
12:58 asciilifeform where asciilifeform lives, is commonplace to install detectors
12:59 thimbronion yeah the were installed - never went off
12:59 thimbronion I did buy a device that shows levels in real time - occasionally went very high, but I think it
12:59 asciilifeform thimbronion: get the ones which have lcd showing peak ppm
12:59 thimbronion 's just defective. Bought another that constanly reads 0.
12:59 asciilifeform (and test w/ chainsaw motor or similar)
13:00 thimbronion Anyway, moved out of that place to another without a gas fireplace.
13:01 * asciilifeform always wanted a gas fireplace, to build plasma speaker in
13:02 thimbronion asciilifeform: the cottage is still available for rent afaik!
13:04 asciilifeform thimbronion: where was this? cr?
13:05 thimbronion Sacramento, CA
13:05 asciilifeform aa lol
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13:37 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002293 << if you have interest in sawing on my old logger -- would be nifty to get working backlinks (a la phf)
13:37 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-21 12:51:53 thimbronion: Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs.
13:38 thimbronion asciilifeform: can you show me an example?
13:39 asciilifeform thimbronion: recall the hand icons in ye olde btcbase log www ?
13:40 thimbronion ah yes
13:40 asciilifeform (i.e. each line linked to 1 or moar times would be displayed with series of 'hands', the latter, when clicked, would take to the line where said index was cited)
13:41 * asciilifeform intended to implement this feature but never finished
13:42 asciilifeform there are imho more pressing bugs/missing knobs in my logotron (e.g. lack of doublequote string search) ftr.
13:43 * asciilifeform will be surprised if anyone other than himself picks up these jobs, but always ready to be pleasantly surprised..
13:47 thimbronion if asciilifeform is willing to do the PM role, I could possibly donate some btc to make these things happen.
13:48 asciilifeform thimbronion: we're taking about perhaps 20-30 loc, not mega-project imho
13:51 thimbronion asciilifeform: whoever took it on might be useful on other bigger projects? Idk. I'm interested enough to donate btc but don't have the energy level to do it myself right now.
13:52 asciilifeform thimbronion: thimbronion: do you recall the old #t thread re bounties ?
13:52 thimbronion only that it exists.
13:52 asciilifeform i'ma try & excavate, 1s
13:53 asciilifeform subj.
13:53 snsabot (trilema) 2018-06-12 asciilifeform: considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ?
13:56 thimbronion Firstly, is software consulting == bounty?
13:57 asciilifeform traditionally, is called this when the problem set is public & given in advance
13:57 asciilifeform (and expectation is that solvers are paid for solution, rather than hours etc)
13:59 thimbronion Why not spec out the project, get an estimate of hours from bidders and pay hourly?
14:00 asciilifeform thimbronion: you could, is how heathen commercial softwarism traditionally works. imho results not very impressive tho, typically.
14:02 thimbronion The results you provide are impressive, I'm sure.
14:03 thimbronion I have had pretty bad results from using the various odesk type sites.
14:03 thimbronion otoh, the consultancy I work for provides very high quality results.
14:03 asciilifeform thimbronion: imho there ain't such a thing as 'impressive' horse in a 6-horse harness. which is how heathendom typically worx re software dev
14:04 * asciilifeform moar recently working as 1-horse, can't tell how 'impressed' customer is necessarily, but hasn't run away yet fwiw
14:05 thimbronion I've worked with indian and chinese spaghetti factories, as well as with more ethical shops.
14:06 thimbronion Ethical shops are pricey.
14:06 asciilifeform thimbronion: what means here 'ethical' ?
14:07 thimbronion asciilifeform: for example leaving the code in a maintainable state.
14:07 asciilifeform aa
14:07 thimbronion documentation
14:07 thimbronion testing
14:10 thimbronion Quality costs well in excess of 100/hr in my experience.
14:12 * asciilifeform has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked
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14:12 thimbronion It's tough to get quality people for less than a 6 month gig.
14:16 asciilifeform thimbronion: obv. depends on particular flavour of the sofwarism, but in the industry at large -- outright charlatans seem to outnumber actual practitioners ~10:1
14:16 snsabot (asciilifeform) 2020-02-13 asciilifeform: curiousd0g: at one point i had fella with master diploma and perfect marks walk in. 'computer engineering'. couldn't helloworld.
14:17 thimbronion Oh yeah.
14:19 thimbronion It seems like ben_vulpes should be able to dig someone up, if he were willing.
14:19 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere ben_vulpes
14:19 snsabot ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
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14:58 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-02-11#1002232 << you must have hated The Witcher then.
14:58 snsabot Logged on 2021-02-11 09:45:00 thimbronion: trinque: pozing originally meant intentionally infecting a gay sex partner with aids. In this case I'm using the term to describe the addition of lgbtq, female, and non-white characters to the plot for political rather than dramatic reasons.
14:58 gregorynyssa aside from the fact that the writing was just awful.
14:58 gregorynyssa I am watching Deutschland 83.
14:59 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems?
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14:59 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-21 14:12:31 asciilifeform: has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked
14:59 thimbronion gregorynyssa: It started off great.
15:00 gregorynyssa asciilifeform: your story about the note-taking GUI with inline tags was great.
15:01 thimbronion But when they brought in the 1 in 7,000,000,0000 black german speaking general and made him a major plot point it kind of ruined it.
15:02 thimbronion And they gay brother
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16:11 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002360 << e.g., or cr50 thing, and 'over 9000' other
16:11 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-21 14:59:39 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems?
16:11 snsabot (trilema) 2018-09-09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla times in recent yrs asciilifeform , in saeculum, was asked to recruit various hands ( programmers, reversers, etc ) and you can prolly guess result
16:11 asciilifeform tbf normally i dun even think of trying to hire anyone to do anything. it's simply a recipe for saying goodbyte to $maxint with ~0 to show for it.
16:12 asciilifeform 'if you want something done properly, do it with own hands'.
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16:33 asciilifeform *goodbye to
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20:10 thimbronion this doing with own hands thing doesn't scale
20:10 thimbronion there's just too much to do
20:15 thimbronion what's the point of money if you can't get other people to do stuff you want for it?
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20:56 asciilifeform thimbronion: if what you want is e.g. have cement mixed -- can have. and scales.
20:56 asciilifeform thimbronion: software, on other hand... the historical experience aint good.
20:58 asciilifeform entire field is catastrophically braindamaged in a way that defies description (while universally, if unspokenly, known to the practitioners.)
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20:58 thimbronion meh it's a python script
20:58 asciilifeform just about erry problem therein only exists on account of previous 'solutions'
20:59 thimbronion it's not ADA
20:59 thimbronion or, Ada
21:00 asciilifeform thimbronion: i thought thread was about such things as do not fit in own hands
21:00 asciilifeform scaling etc
21:00 thimbronion Start was iirc getting the additional work done on the logger
21:01 thimbronion webshit dev scales
21:01 asciilifeform only if you find the typical webshitter's output acceptable.
21:02 thimbronion Can't you review the code and tell them to rewrite?
21:02 asciilifeform this invariably takes at least as much time / effort as writing w/ own hands.
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21:03 asciilifeform (arguably a proper review, where would be willing to sign, takes ~longer~ than writing from 0)
21:06 thimbronion Some education may be involved
21:06 thimbronion If the guy can't learn, fire and try another guy.
21:07 thimbronion Then eventually you end up with a) completed project and b) competent coder
21:07 asciilifeform apprenticeship works, historically. but is rather different affair than 'hire mr.x to do $script'
21:07 asciilifeform requires serious investment on ~both~ sides of table.
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21:27 thimbronion Is it worth it?
21:29 asciilifeform if folx dun find it 'worth it' -- curtain call for their civilization.
21:29 asciilifeform doesn't automatically guarantee that they will, naturally.
21:32 thimbronion Weird thing is MP had no objection to paying people. AFICS only objected to paying males.
21:32 asciilifeform imho this is mistaken phrasing. he did not seek out relations that were based mainly on pay.
21:34 thimbronion No objection.
21:34 asciilifeform this was 1 of the few places where to asciilifeform he made 100% sense.
21:34 thimbronion He sought out - partnerships - where one partner was more equal than the other.
21:35 asciilifeform did not afaik believe in even theoretical possibility of any other kind.
21:37 asciilifeform like e.g. m. ghaddafi, will probably believe that no one is his equal even when the bayonet enters his arse.
21:37 asciilifeform narcissists afaik not curable.
21:39 * asciilifeform bbl
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