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00:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile in random lulz : us citizen notable enough for ro.wikipedia but "unknown" by en.wikipedia
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00:25 mircea_popescu "nobody can remember" wikipedia's roots as ye pre-reddit pedoclub
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00:26 mircea_popescu Mocky, wait, what ?
00:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: claims he was ro citizen also?
00:38 asciilifeform ( in linked piece )
00:38 mircea_popescu wasn't born there
00:38 mircea_popescu usg academi-bezzler.
00:39 asciilifeform clinton pedocircuit ?
00:40 mircea_popescu well, chicago school of ameritardation.
00:40 mircea_popescu friends of the recently suicided dude.
00:40 asciilifeform aa!
00:41 mircea_popescu all sorta things "nobody is aware of" in the reich, somehow.
00:41 mircea_popescu must be from all the awareness raising.
00:42 * asciilifeform suspects that 'pedo is the new faggotry' in the 19th c brit sense , i.e. 'want to be toady of hitler? gotta give him some primo kompromat for you'
00:43 mircea_popescu should be lulzy once the "rights gain" machine finally excavates these, too
00:43 mircea_popescu back a decade ago /me was wondering outloud on trilema if it's gonna be necros or pedos next
00:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile the dreidl has landed.
00:43 asciilifeform or, to reformulate, they 'all pedos' for same reason theatrical puppets have string loops
00:45 lobbes http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933780 << the 'social media / "platform" void'; take any one of 'em, be it twitter, facebook, reddit. They all have the similar mechanic of the "newsfeed" in which (unlike the republic's logs / blogs) you cannot reference things > 3 weeks ago.
00:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 00:25:59 mircea_popescu: "nobody can remember" wikipedia's roots as ye pre-reddit pedoclub
00:45 lobbes Just reinforces the already short attention span of the consumer, creating a nifty simulacrum of "feeling connected to the world"
00:46 lobbes I genuinely believe that the newer generation sincerely cannot remember, even if they claim to be paying attention
00:46 mircea_popescu indeed.
00:46 asciilifeform lobbes: often enuff, pieces that only ~hours~ old, evaporate
00:46 asciilifeform fughet , even, 'weeks'
00:46 mircea_popescu lol, we seen some
00:47 lobbes it is funny, too, because even in the older days of the webforums "necroposting" was a taboo for some reason
00:47 mircea_popescu anyway, it's necessary, because they're so utterly wrong in everything
00:48 lobbes aha
00:48 mircea_popescu empire gotta be 0-memory or else it can't be at all.
00:48 mircea_popescu lobbes, i never understood that at the time, wtf, rarely new threads as interesting as old. but...
00:48 mircea_popescu incipient zekism.
00:49 lobbes ditto. all makes sense nao
00:51 asciilifeform meanwhile, in kindergarten wtf's
00:51 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 00:02:23 verisimilitude: I'm starting work on networking libraries in Ada; I've started with UDP; I'd appreciate receiving some thoughts on this package specification:
00:52 mircea_popescu menalone central huh
00:53 asciilifeform lol mostly bot test central thesedays
00:53 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in UY-CN relations https://archive.is/iiAVH
00:55 BingoBoingo Chinese Defense Minister came for a visit. Some BRI stuff signed, China agreed to retrofit one of the UY Navy ships.
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01:36 mircea_popescu anyone wanna do a paypal for me btw ?
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02:09 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
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02:09 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
02:13 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
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02:13 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-04 20:29:15 asciilifeform: for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.
02:13 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933752 << i can see the logic.
02:13 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-04 20:32:57 asciilifeform: in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
02:14 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933778 << not really matters ; they're all ~empty in any practical sense.
02:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-04 23:31:40 lobbes: Of course this is with a near-empty database (not sure how much this matters, tbh). Will be taken offline shortly though for more testing
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03:25 lobbes okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
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03:25 lobbes bot is ericbot, call command is !e
03:26 lobbes looks like the last db dump from logs.nosuchlabs.com was from a few hours before I imported, so missing a few lines still. However the majority of 'em are there
03:26 lobbes once the lastest daily dump is out I will fill in the gaps
03:27 lobbes off to bed, but plox to let me know if any funkiness is observed
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05:20 mircea_popescu wd
05:28 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 - mind stating the IP as well and as a rule for new urls please/
05:28 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-05 03:40:55 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
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08:10 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora
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10:34 lobbes diana_coman: thank you for the reminder: 208.70.251.10
10:35 diana_coman lobbes: nice!
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11:23 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933819 << i know 2 in meatspace ( one -- i taught ; other -- learned from ) but yes there are prolly not so many people still using actual emacs ( vs the 'modernized' horror that auto-downloads 9000 crapolas )
11:23 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 02:09:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
11:24 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933821 << you're almost certainly better off with the services of actual tailors , lol. but, outta curiosity, what sort of 'machinery' ?
11:24 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 02:13:13 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
11:25 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu reply 'i want parabellum holster just like what wilhelm II had !'
11:26 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 << congrats , lobbes !! lemme know if you want an unscheduled dump so can sync lines .
11:26 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 03:25:22 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
11:29 asciilifeform lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the raw dump knob and eater .
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11:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, you know, ankle/wrist cuffs by my own designs, posture collars, garter belts...
11:38 mircea_popescu if women were horses the leather they;d hoof in
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11:54 BingoBoingo As far as sourcing materials go, this would be the place to plant a workshop.
11:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Remember the couple feria streets that were just piles of leather on top of more leather.
12:01 mircea_popescu i was very unimpressed with the quality of workmanship wheni was in ag.
12:04 BingoBoingo Local workmanship no. Local bulk tanned hides, yes
12:04 BingoBoingo Sold out of backs of horsecarts in Sunday street market like god intended
12:14 asciilifeform there are ( were ? ) people who knew how to leather .
12:15 * asciilifeform in ar saw such abundance of leather briefcases, coats, etc. at the flea markets, such that will prolly never see again, and all imho mighty fine, and for pennies. i still regret not buying any.
12:16 asciilifeform in related sads, those boots i got in ro, finally fell apart, from daily abuse
12:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, no shortage of fine leather tho. shortage of fine leatherworker
12:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, problem here is that what i want ~doesn't exist. what you describe works wunderbar if one wants a very common item, yes.
12:17 asciilifeform rright, you want tailored .
12:17 asciilifeform this makes sense. tailored, as in , fella with measuring tape, measures.
12:20 * asciilifeform wonders whether motorcyclists all buy 'pret a porter' or there is in fact tailor somewhere who works these
12:22 mircea_popescu honestly, for all the idle puffery to the contrary, i am coming to discover that i'm in all likelyhood the first to do the shit i do, and possibly only one to have ever attempted, throughout history.
12:22 mircea_popescu so, needless to say, ~0 chances of running into the tools "floating down the river" so to speak
12:23 mircea_popescu i suppose this is also a decent proxy for insanity. (what else is insanity, than consistently dealing with problems nobody else dealt with ?)
12:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if only it were only mircea_popescu who regularly discovers this...
12:23 mircea_popescu kinda, my experience of sexuality's a lot like your experience of it.
12:24 mircea_popescu "dude wtf, if you're gonna do this, why the fuck do it so derpily!"
12:24 diana_coman mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
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12:24 mircea_popescu diana_coman, shoes, too, i bet.
12:25 mircea_popescu traditionally the lot of womanhood!
12:25 diana_coman and I wouldn't count it as "nobody did this before" either, I think I still have some patterns in grandmother's attic ffw
12:25 mircea_popescu what, for restraining leather garter belts ?!
12:25 diana_coman mircea_popescu: oh yes, shoes.
12:25 diana_coman ahahah, didn't search for *those*
12:25 mircea_popescu :p
12:25 asciilifeform ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
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12:26 mircea_popescu heh
12:26 mircea_popescu that;s the infuriating part, "man, this shit's so obvious!"
12:27 asciilifeform it's imho a fucktonne moar obvious than some of the shit sold for similar purpose (e.g. piezo transformers, work a++ but entirely unsuitable, cuz, again, oscillator)
12:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
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12:28 mircea_popescu dang
12:28 mircea_popescu no, but it sounds a lot like something i wish i said.
12:29 diana_coman I know for sure you did, just need to... find it.
12:29 mircea_popescu im gonna have to put a search in won't i.
12:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i even went and looked among the 'audiophile' idjits -- y'know, the folx who attach rubidium clocks to their cd players 'for cleaner wave', buy holy water, operate factory in texas where 9v batteries (yes) still made with 1940 tech (why, cannot say, but 'for Troo Authentic sound' somewhere...) -- nodice
12:29 mircea_popescu aha
12:29 diana_coman it might be in the logs too.
12:30 asciilifeform diana_coman: pretty sure this line was in log
12:30 * asciilifeform goes to look, but -- as usual -- comes up empty
12:32 diana_coman myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.
12:33 mircea_popescu diana_coman, part of the problem is that i think we index things very differently ; your words don't trigger my memory. do you remember any actual words that were definitely in there ?
12:35 diana_coman mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure
12:37 mircea_popescu hm
12:39 diana_coman I also think it might have been in reply to one of asciilifeform's threads re how he can't escape (hence possibly why it rings a bell with him?) but again, if I knew exactly, I'd have found it by now.
12:41 asciilifeform dun think it was in these ; but since i can't recall exactly where , could be wrong
12:42 diana_coman mircea_popescu: possibly I'll find it later as inner-indexing tends to keep working in the background after one of those anyway and pops up with the result some days from now or such shit.
12:43 mircea_popescu aha
12:49 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933867 << in usa this is worse than anyone could believe, asciilifeform is ~still~, 2y later, looking for equiv. of those boots, for any price that's less than 'ticket to ro again'. 0 result.
12:49 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 12:24:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
12:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Redwing 606 is probably as close as your local market has.
12:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i fucking hate laces tho
12:53 asciilifeform at any rate that's merely 1 example .
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14:02 asciilifeform thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...
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14:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 12:25:58 asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
14:03 * asciilifeform unsurprisingly found 0 record of anyone having ever done this for any purpose whatsoever .
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15:20 bvt hello. asciilifeform: answered your comment. diana_coman: the logline you were looking for seems to be this: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-19#1903465 , as a rephrase of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-10#1870880 discussion
15:20 snsabot Logged on 2019-03-19 18:52:57 mod6: Because like we discussed before, some paraphrasing "man puts in 20% of time is 20% of a man".
15:20 snsabot Logged on 2018-11-10 19:40:02 mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i still don't know wh
15:20 diana_coman bvt: it is, thank you!!
15:21 bvt yw
15:22 asciilifeform bvt: answered.
15:27 asciilifeform meanwhile in chance finds of vintage lulz. ( de-pdfized of the engl. text. ) ( and see also . )
15:30 diana_coman basically my "less of a man" was more precisely "20% of a man", ahem.
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16:24 diana_coman but hm, I still think mod6's line actually paraphrased a different discussion and I quite distinctly remember it said by mircea_popescu ; if my memory of it is any good, ofc.
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16:54 bvt diana_coman: ok, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900385 ?
16:55 bvt more precisely, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-04#1900385
16:55 snsabot Logged on 2019-03-04 16:14:16 mircea_popescu: empire does not in any factual sense exist. man who works 70% of the time for idiots is === the remaining 30% of that man.
17:07 diana_coman bvt: yes! that one indeed; and look at that, it *was* in one of asciilifeform's threads indeed.
17:07 diana_coman thank you bvt for digging it fully up!
17:15 diana_coman I see also more clearly my usual trouble finding sources: the original exact bit is deep in the roots while the part easily found is the tip of the tree grown from those roots, huh.
17:25 diana_coman !!v B54F424D889826858C750E85977ABC64B6EA6BBBC8EF678E174602F8295C82CB
17:25 deedbot diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 1 to 2 << knows where things are in the logs! + useful work towards a republican kernel; writes at http://bvt-trace.net
17:27 bvt i kind of remembered that it had something with to do with percentages, this surfaced out mod6's message; when you mentioned that the result is still ~wrong, remembered that it had something to do with "man who invests X% of time into empire...", used phf's log for a keyword search.
17:29 bvt asciilifeform's searcher matches 'many' when looking for 'man', produces too many results to filter through all of them (thought the line was there too)
17:29 bvt ty for rating!
17:30 diana_coman bvt: you need to search for "man" so it doesn't return "many" if you want exact match
17:30 diana_coman i.e. use "" for exact match
17:31 bvt would not work: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=time+man vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=time+%22man%22&chan=trilema
17:33 diana_coman ah, you are right; that sort of thing is still on to-do list, yes.
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17:47 mircea_popescu nice archival work there bvt !
17:49 mircea_popescu spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
17:49 mircea_popescu consider the other side : you add comments ; but then trackbacks ?
17:51 mircea_popescu in any case, it is outright impossible to answer your "wat do" question as stated ; because it's in fact multiple questions.
17:52 mircea_popescu 1. re blog, i do not currently believe it makes any sense to have blogs in anything but php ; 1.a with the exception that trying out things (as opposed to, production) is trying out things, and people can try out whatever ~they feel like~ (while they're stuck producing what works).
17:52 mircea_popescu 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
17:53 mircea_popescu but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
18:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he does seem to have an almost-working (i.e. all but for comments) cl blogotron, unlike errybody else, tho.
18:05 * asciilifeform would also like to hear the full hunchentoot vivisection .
18:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933928 << this is correct. btw lobbes , diana_coman , ( others ? ) -- if no one is presently looking at this, then i'ma do it, the lack of quoted search is grating to asciilifeform also
18:07 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-05 17:33:34 diana_coman: ah, you are right; that sort of thing is still on to-do list, yes.
18:12 diana_coman asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.
18:12 asciilifeform ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it
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18:13 asciilifeform cuz it needs doin'
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19:15 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/09/black-south-africans-turn-violently-against-other-black-africans-as-migration-raises-tensions/ << Qntra -- Black South Africans Turn Violently Against Other Black Africans As Migration Raises Tensions
19:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, all but for comments which, once done, will expose all but for trackbacks and all but for antisspam
19:16 mircea_popescu and then all but for image autoresizing and then all but for x y z
19:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly other missing knobs also (search?)
19:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: your wp has automated image resizing ??
19:17 mircea_popescu yes.
19:17 asciilifeform neato
19:18 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=scales&e=sizes#select
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19:49 * asciilifeform back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features
19:50 mircea_popescu trilema has rhe advantage of size, dun particularly want to put anything else on box, so dun so muich care
19:51 asciilifeform right, and lotsa good photoreportage , i suspect it helps that mircea_popescu can plug camera almost straight to bl0g w/out sweating
19:51 mircea_popescu very much.
19:51 mircea_popescu i shall belabour this point
19:52 mircea_popescu what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are.
19:52 BingoBoingo I kinda worry about the process fascism which has asciilifeform's 2018 Uruguay journey still largely un photoblogged
19:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu has point, he has 9000x moar painless workflow re photos
19:52 mircea_popescu the naive view is to think that making the cost 10% less will result in... what, 10% more output ? if it takes me 9 seconds of unpleasant laboru instead of 10, i'll just do 11 images instead of 10.
19:53 mircea_popescu this is exactly false : what actually happens is that if the labour's over threshold the output is 0, and if it's under the output is x. like a transistor exactly
19:53 asciilifeform forward voltage lol
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19:53 mircea_popescu AND THEN!!! the marginal increase is exactly like in exam lists. anyone saw ever one of those, 100 people per place sovok things ? 10.0 9.99 9.99 9.99 9.98
19:54 mircea_popescu and so ongoing, 100 people before 9.8 is reached /
19:54 mircea_popescu EXACTLY the same thing. "what's an extra point ?" "dude are you kidding me, it's the difference between leningrad and urals"
19:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily, these not only in sovok. ( but then again asciilifeform 20y ago lol )
19:55 mircea_popescu right.
19:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in 'modern' usa they like to 'normalize exam' to make the visual spread look bigger, for some reason
19:55 mircea_popescu myeah. weirdos.
19:55 mircea_popescu anyway, imto bed.
19:55 asciilifeform goodnight mircea_popescu
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20:47 trinque hey lookie there, drunkbot still connected.
20:47 trinque there may be a brief deedbot outage as I beat the old version with a wrench and deploy new
20:48 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/09/microsoft-invites-stallman/ << Qntra -- Microsoft Invites Stallman
20:59 trinque !!gettrust deedbot trinque
20:59 deedbot L1: 1, L2: 7 by 7 connections.
20:59 trinque alrighty, new release!
20:59 trinque now with even less cron-kill-loop
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