#trilema | 2019-05-21

02:25

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-21#1914756 - more observant people noted even then: nowadays one complains of sunflower oil for being "not what it used to be, not anymore" but grandparents used to complain that the olive oil was " not what it used to be, not anymore"; so, gradually boiling the frog makes frogs happy to be in the nice, hot water, what.

02:25

a111

Logged on 2019-05-21 00:28 mp_en_viaje: 1980s ro complained that "poor quality", as in, "ceausescu puts soy in salami, chickory in coffee and corn flakes in chocolate". yet 2010s ro paid extra for outside terms, and the middle term item of hipster interest.

02:26

diana_coman

asciilifeform: possibly the "gdpr" data protection thing

~ 2 hours 40 minutes ~

05:07

02:25	diana_coman	http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-21#1914756 - more observant people noted even then: nowadays one complains of sunflower oil for being "not what it used to be, not anymore" but grandparents used to complain that the olive oil was " not what it used to be, not anymore"; so, gradually boiling the frog makes frogs happy to be in the nice, hot water, what.
02:25	a111	Logged on 2019-05-21 00:28 mp_en_viaje: 1980s ro complained that "poor quality", as in, "ceausescu puts soy in salami, chickory in coffee and corn flakes in chocolate". yet 2010s ro paid extra for outside terms, and the middle term item of hipster interest.
02:26	diana_coman	asciilifeform: possibly the "gdpr" data protection thing
		~ 2 hours 40 minutes ~
05:07	mp_en_viaje	asciilifeform, just about.
05:08	mp_en_viaje	diana_coman, this is actually a workable alt explanation, huh.
05:08	mp_en_viaje	though upon meditation it's not so clear it's truly alt.
05:16	diana_coman	not sure truly alt, no; rather simply noting that it has been going that way for quite a while and not very surprising at that; by the time it's already the ersatz of an ersatz of a meanwhile forgotten replacement, well...
05:19	diana_coman	re soy in salami + oils of all descriptions, I have this unforgettable experience of eating at one point some of those "salami" slices that ended up fried by mistake in... home-made daffodil syrup because it was actually looking more like oil than the oil and, well, mistaken bottle!
		~ 19 minutes ~
05:39	mp_en_viaje	diana_coman, hahaha, "the best vermouth here is cough syrup" style
05:45	diana_coman	quite like that, yes; lolz.
05:52	mp_en_viaje	!!up voodoosurf
05:52	deedbot	voodoosurf voiced for 30 minutes.
05:52	mp_en_viaje	voodoosurf, yes ?
		~ 39 minutes ~
06:32	mp_en_viaje	meanwhile in "holy shit i kick so much ass" , http://trilema.com/2014/natural-law-and-the-problem-of-definitions/
06:33	mp_en_viaje	fucking perfect, especially considering just how dependent "colonial empires" are on the inputs from the margin to mainain their "law" systems.
06:34	feedbot	http://trilema.com/2019/am-mers-n-puli-sau-dekadentismus-nudapest-ndsm/ << Trilema -- Am mers-n puli, sau Dekadentismus Nudapest-NDSM
06:34	mp_en_viaje	with the added shame, of course, that james a donald hasn't, five years later, yet fulfilled ~his obligations~, natural as well as legal, to that piece.
		~ 5 hours 27 minutes ~
12:01	trinque	anyone know how to get sbcl to cough up the error that caused a particular thread to terminate?
12:04	*	asciilifeform sadly does not. tho iirc you can sometimes join-thread and get eggog as if it were from single-threaded proggy
12:05	trinque	yeah, tried that, barfs about the thread already being toast
12:05	asciilifeform	trinque: back in the day i had catch-all condition handlers in main loop of thread, that shat to verbose logger
12:06	trinque	maybe the relevant bits are already gc'd
12:06	asciilifeform	quite likely
12:06	trinque	I'm going to catch all errors and have the thing log and restart, yes.
12:08	asciilifeform	trinque: asciilifeform's logger . used for many yrs. relies on 'bordeaux' thread glue tho ( can easily change to sbcl's built-in if needed )
12:08	asciilifeform	this is supposing you dun have a working one already ( gotta have the mutex, or lines end up munged, hence why i wrote this )
12:09	asciilifeform	i had this in a robotism thing where coupla dozen indep. threads where each ran separate xyz motor etc
		~ 1 hours 25 minutes ~
13:35	trinque	thanks asciilifeform !
13:35	trinque	I'll implement this, and also see about a proper handler-case for shutting down gracefully and restarting
		~ 1 hours 28 minutes ~
15:04	mp_en_viaje	nice
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18:11	BingoBoingo	Since feedbot seems to be absent at the moment: http://qntra.net/2019/05/usg-now-targeting-chinese-toy-maker-dji-over-national-security-concerns/
18:12	BingoBoingo	For the record DJI has a more honest commercial presence in Uruguay than Caterpillar. The DJI storefronts have drones. The CAT store fronts cannot even order earthmoving equipment.
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