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03:40 spyked in spyked updates: feedbot-iii is scheduled to be published this week, followed by schedule for next work, followed by (by now late) pics from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907055
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03:40 a111 Logged on 2019-04-06 05:08 spyked is off into the mountains
03:45 spyked meanwhile, asciilifeform's lappie arrived last week, I'ma encuntooate it soon. I expect it'll be a bit of a challenge to compile on 1GB of RAM: cuntoo bootstrapping sadly requires building gcc-5, which iirc asks for more than that. either way, I'ma put this on the list as the next item to document.
03:46 spyked and in http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-153.0-158.0 lulz <-- /me was looking for more photos of this wonderful town, stumbled upon http://archive.is/cXfL7 ; notbad trolling
03:48 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-17#1908775 <-- I also signed pre-keccak chs 1-5 and will resign upon reread
03:48 a111 Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ?
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10:01 asciilifeform spyked: iirc that box eats commonplace lappy so-dimm
10:02 asciilifeform circa 2010 or so. visit the flea market.
10:02 * asciilifeform sadly did not happen to have any of the requisite type, or would've put in
10:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: will set up your refueling today.
10:21 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 -> now I get it why asciilifeform doesn't play computer games anymoar - can't compete with real trash pandas!
10:21 a111 Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected.
10:21 asciilifeform lol
10:22 diana_coman I had only one instance of a crow-eating-eyes-out-of-roadkill-hedgehog but I was sadly in a hurry and by the time I came back there was no trace of it left
10:22 asciilifeform i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol
10:23 diana_coman I actually like hedgehogs but if it didn't have enough brain to roam the gardens only...
10:25 asciilifeform diana_coman: iirc we had thrd re 'trash panda' ; picture aggressive 20kg rat, eats e.g. cat, tunnels through drywall, w/out breaking a sweat
10:27 asciilifeform with opposable thumb (!) opens rubbish bins, even turns door knobs
10:27 diana_coman ugh; I hate rats as it is, no need for bigger ones; that being said, I can already picture the euloran "stan's layr" complete with lumber-electronics a la http://ossasepia.com/2018/06/26/euloras-own-cr50/ and weird rats/trash pandas to fight for resources.
10:28 asciilifeform heh
10:28 * asciilifeform brb:tea
10:28 * diana_coman will dive back into euloran client entrails
10:29 spyked asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine.
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10:29 * spyked will cross that bridge when he comes to it
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11:02 asciilifeform spyked: i admit that i still dunget why it needs the gcc5 step
11:03 asciilifeform i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix
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11:03 asciilifeform incl. for a 2gb rk box
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12:02 trinque reason is in the logs.
12:03 trinque your traditional recipe is not on musl
12:03 asciilifeform indeed it wasnt
12:03 trinque if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there
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12:03 asciilifeform !#s from:trinque gcc5
12:03 a111 2 results for "from:trinque gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atrinque%20gcc5
12:04 asciilifeform hm
12:04 asciilifeform trinque: do you perchance have the thread handy
12:04 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757349
12:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 04:39 trinque: I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables"
12:05 asciilifeform ty
12:05 trinque no prob
12:06 trinque what I'd *really* like is a binary-reproducible gcc of any stripe, and to create an official image from that, have others duplicate
12:09 asciilifeform trinque: as i understand , orig problem is that the stage3 shipped a gcc6 ?
12:11 asciilifeform ( and that no one had baked a musl stage3 that could be worked from that had <5 ? )
12:11 trinque http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/amd64/musl/ << yep, they purge them pretty aggressively
12:13 asciilifeform i was able to bake a musl 'busybox' linux for pogo in '15, but admittedly this was not a gentoo
12:13 asciilifeform but seems like oughta be doable for a gentoo
12:13 asciilifeform ( i.e. w/ gcc4.9 )
12:15 * asciilifeform really must dust off the old notes and try this with own hands; the presence of gcc5 in the build bothers asciilifeform not only from 'practical' but from thompsonistic pov
12:15 trinque why not gcc3 or 2 then? where'd the thompson come in?
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12:16 asciilifeform trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks
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12:16 trinque anyhow, my project here was to take a snapshot of a working gentoo musl, i.e. a snapshot of the work of others. I intentally kept myself out of the chain of custody of all deps.
12:17 trinque *intentionally
12:17 asciilifeform trinque: makes sense
12:17 trinque it does not mean that all must e.g. not substitute their own gcc. it just means that this ground, however undesirable, will not be lost like every other time I said "eh gonna go install another gentoo"
12:18 trinque in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix.
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12:18 asciilifeform has anyone attempted to build the whole orchestra on ave1's gcc ?
12:19 trinque his gcc does not build upon musl, so I have not. prodded him a few times about getting his to run on a musl box.
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12:19 asciilifeform hm.
12:19 asciilifeform seems like that there's the 1st item to fix.
12:20 trinque would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there
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12:20 asciilifeform !#seen ave1
12:20 a111 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites.
12:20 asciilifeform ugh, lost at sea?!
12:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty, generally people are back to work now that "semana de tourismo" has come to an end
12:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: refuel scheduled, nao waiting' for the traditional telephonic tea ceremony from bank etc
12:29 BingoBoingo [black-thumbsup-emoji]
12:31 BingoBoingo And the locals now want to ban the last cowboysport left in the Country over two dead horses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/jineteadas-una-tradicion-apoyada-por-el-estado-en-jaque-tras-las-muertes-de-caballos-en-el-ruedo-2019421201657
12:32 asciilifeform lol, is this the usual 'ohnoez, what if a legate from clintonistan sees a dead horse!111' ?
12:32 BingoBoingo Las Jineteadas are like bullriding, except bulls are sacred cattle here so instead they piss off some horses and proceed from the bullriding premise
12:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The tards started their appeal to INAU, the agency for child and adolescent matters
12:33 BingoBoingo "Stink of the Children!"
12:34 asciilifeform wtf
12:35 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together?
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12:35 a111 Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected.
12:35 lobbesbot PeterL: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <billymg> yup, if you want the patch that fixes svg image links you can grab mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg from here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= - although i recommend going for the latest patch on that page
12:35 asciilifeform PeterL: lolno
12:36 asciilifeform PeterL: unrelated threads.
12:36 PeterL ah, ok
12:36 BingoBoingo The old women are upset so they say "bad for children" just like in old country. And new mayor of Montevideo hasn't even been on the job for a whole month.
12:36 BingoBoingo Air gun kills trash pandas
12:37 asciilifeform PeterL: in city , can't use anyffin that can be heard even from across street
12:38 asciilifeform PeterL: the sks comment was re mp's budapest 'changing of the guard' photo
12:38 asciilifeform where there was a d00d in old-style austrohungarian uniform but with old sovok rifle
12:39 PeterL well, SKS is a pretty riffle when it is shiny
12:39 asciilifeform dunno where you will see a shiny one, outside of museum
12:39 BingoBoingo I've seen the chicoms chrome them for honor guards
12:39 asciilifeform item dates to late '40s
12:40 PeterL I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here
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12:40 asciilifeform at 1 time, they were sold in usa for next to nuffin, aha
12:40 BingoBoingo And the Yugos chrome the inside of the barrels
12:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i thought this was standard, from end of ww2 to present day
12:40 PeterL I thought it was everybody but yugo's chrome the barrel?
12:41 BingoBoingo Maybe I got it flipped
12:41 PeterL yugos are the ones who added a grenade launcher to the end
12:41 BingoBoingo But pretty rifle for hunting deer sized animals
12:41 BingoBoingo AH
12:41 asciilifeform iirc sovok was 1st to chrome inside , they carried on using corrosive hg-based primer in shell long past when others quit
12:48 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-18#1909077 << I always picture arrays going left-to-right or top-to-bottom, like you would see if you tell a computer "for x in my_array: print x"
12:48 a111 Logged on 2019-04-18 22:15 mod6: I try to keep it in my mind that this is an ~array~ of words. And in my head, arrays grow left to right. Or bottom up.
12:51 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902839 << Am I the only one who wears jeans here? I find them comfortable and they are sturdy, good for getting work done.
12:51 a111 Logged on 2019-03-15 13:12 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea.
13:01 BingoBoingo I don't much anymore. Towels coming out of the wash buckets dry faster than jeans.
13:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater.
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13:02 asciilifeform easily 10x less current for same result, and no moar firehazard etc.
13:03 asciilifeform ( every dry anyffin under vacuum ? )
13:03 PeterL can you run vacuum pump on natural gas?
13:03 BingoBoingo Same reason you can't get borosilicate in the US outside of flea markets, drugwar.
13:03 asciilifeform lol whythefuq
13:03 asciilifeform PeterL: why wouldja want to run the pump on gas?!
13:03 asciilifeform no electric service where you live ?
13:03 PeterL well, my dryer runs on gas
13:04 asciilifeform rright cuz otherwise it'd eat 5kw
13:04 asciilifeform but it only takes ~100w for perhaps ~hour to draw a coupla buckets' sized vacuum
13:05 asciilifeform granted you need a reasonably thick and airtight pot for this
13:06 PeterL I think you are underestimating the power that you would need for this
13:06 PeterL you don't just have to get the vacuum, you also have to vaporize the water
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13:07 asciilifeform i suppose you'd still have to supply the 23kj/kg or what was the heat of enthalpy
13:08 asciilifeform imho would still be useful tho, to have a suitcase-sized item that can wash and dry a single shirt..
13:09 PeterL I run about 10 loads of wash a week, I don't want something that only handles one T-shirt at a time
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13:09 asciilifeform err 2.3
13:09 asciilifeform PeterL: thinking moar re travel applications
13:15 BingoBoingo I've got a clothing fork on the balcony that holds quite a bit, but denim just doesn't seem to dry completely before dew falls i the night and gets it wet again.
13:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have neighbours who use clotheslines; the prob is that these ~dunwork ~atall over here 4-5 months of year
13:16 asciilifeform ( i.e. what you hang out, gets wetter, not dryer )
13:19 BingoBoingo I get the sun and wind. Even somewhat sheltered from most rain. More wind can be summoned with the heat pump too. For just about everything except demin it works.
13:23 asciilifeform here of course also 'sun and wind'. but + also swamp.
13:25 BingoBoingo AHA
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16:17 BingoBoingo In other olds becoming news Rodrigo of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840381 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847576 sent me a message out of the blue inquiring how the business is going.
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-08-08 17:01 BingoBoingo: In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone.
16:26 BingoBoingo Follow up: Wants to know if anyone is hiring, informed him a couple datacenter places in Sao Paulo appear to be growing fast.
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18:46 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/in-us-capital-pro-maduro-protestors-march-against-guaido-at-embassy/ << Qntra -- In US Capital Pro-Maduro Protestors March Against Guaid At Embassy
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19:34 billymg !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 3
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19:35 billymg !!v A0A1E9E4A6069710E3C0A84C4B1FF28C8C80D34AB32168F05E18DAF79D85CCBD
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