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00:27 BingoBoingo In other updates, cuntoo takes less than 12 hours to compile on new rig. Gotta fuck the kernel config and details to get it to boot.
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00:51 hanbot !!v F4299AB975CD5A2F1633C3B255F4A435303BE8909C3FBA32B13EAF7617B7EA5C
00:51 deedbot hanbot rated hanbot-abroad 1 << A true, certified hanbot-lite.
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01:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, it's altogether dubious mp-wp is program, or really anything other than an overgrown script.
01:40 mircea_popescu php after all scripting lang not systems lang.
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11:45 billymg it is deeply satisfying work ripping out the cruft in that thing
11:47 billymg but i know i'll have to pause on that to put together a test suite (which should actually be a great way of identifying what needs to *remain*)
11:50 billymg and will provide more confidence while mass deleting
11:54 Mocky I've been building my wp import file out of my feed template. It's basically rss with additional wp tags. I just discovered the reason why only the last post in the file has been getting imported: wp import can't handle </item><item> without whitespace between.
11:55 Mocky the rss import can handle it, but that can't import post tags
12:04 BingoBoingo In other discoveries: http://www.contravex.com/2019/03/30/the-21st-century-emergency-kit-fg-inside/ "But that’s not all! In addition to being super sensible and oh so au courant, FG INSIDE doubles (triples?) as an icon of industrial design. Like the Eames Lounge or the iPod before it, its pared-down simplicity and resolute transparency make it a work of artistic expression reflective of, and integral to, our present day and age. USD
12:04 BingoBoingo $ 4,999 (+$50 S&H)ix and this Limited Edition Collector’s Survival Kit could be yours!:
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12:20 billymg BingoBoingo: i do kind of like the aesthetic, but would like it more if the board was mounted and the case had port cutouts, etc., so that it could be used in that form
12:20 billymg seems kind of lazy/cynical given the >10x markup (or perhaps an april fools joke?)
12:21 BingoBoingo billymg: The guy used to hang around here until the children came and ate his time.
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12:21 billymg yeah, i knew as much from the logs
12:22 billymg might have missed the part about having kids though
12:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol! notice what's in the last pic in link
12:31 mircea_popescu billymg, quite.
12:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, he's got your X-ray pictures printed up
12:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: to add extra lulz, without any 'kiss and tell' , i.e. per d00d's own www -- http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/10/unboxing-and-set-up-of-nosuchlabs-fuckgoats-on-macos-openbsd-linux/ -- seems like we sold him only 2... so he went and picked up 3 moar, so that he could this
12:34 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy.
12:34 BingoBoingo I wouldn't be surprised if he picked up more when the decision to hold off on more productions runs came down
12:34 asciilifeform chukcha shaman found radio.
12:35 mircea_popescu (the above quite was re "identify what needs to remain" comment. i guess i gotta get more disciplined with the linerefs.
12:36 asciilifeform esp. chukchaistic treatment of the xray ( wat exactly does xray of spare fg on asciilifeform's desk, tell buyer re pete_d's ? )
12:37 mircea_popescu i expect it's an aesthetic consideration.
12:37 asciilifeform iguess
12:37 asciilifeform and/or , as suggested upstack, early april1
12:37 mircea_popescu what does image of far away greek emperor tell bulgarian ? well... that the coin's made of gold.
12:39 asciilifeform i wouldn't even be surprised if he finally sells 1
12:39 asciilifeform ( d00d hangs out with folx who pay weight in gold for ??? rarities )
12:40 asciilifeform iirc danielpbarron sold at least 1 for 700+ orcbux somewhere
12:41 mircea_popescu in principle that's what utter failure to commercialize'd look like : item sells by the unit at 100x mark-up rather than by the barge at 1% mark-up.
12:41 asciilifeform the mindboggling thing is that afaik no one yet 'fuck you all, i'ma make own.' asciilifeform made this deliberately as simple as could be .
12:42 mircea_popescu can;t imagine why you'd think it;s even remarkable.\
12:43 asciilifeform dunno, imagined that somewhere someone 1) has hands growing from torso, not arse 2) wants rng 3) likes to blog re builds
12:44 asciilifeform evidently nope
12:44 mircea_popescu this is like wondering how come nobody on wikipedia went "fuck you all, ima write my own play".
12:44 mircea_popescu what, seriously, othello 2 ?
12:45 asciilifeform there was some fella who in 2000s 'fuck , i'm not paying 100k to hitachi, i'ma build own atomic force microscope' but admittedly was long time ago.
12:47 mircea_popescu consider the actual datapoints the actual flow of history offers us (quite in the vein of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-30#1906143 vein) : datapoint a) is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459 ; datapoint b) is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906233
12:47 a111 Logged on 2019-03-30 05:43 mircea_popescu: billymg, some dood bought it in bankruptcy proceedings last year. "23 million '''''''''visitors''''''''' " commanded ~$1.5mn. contrasting with http://trilema.com/2011/evaluari-rationale-in-ro/#comment-86130 one can peg intervening inflation at 300% over seven years.
12:47 a111 Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
12:47 a111 Logged on 2019-03-31 16:04 BingoBoingo: $ 4,999 (+$50 S&H)ix and this Limited Edition Collector’s Survival Kit could be yours!:
12:48 mircea_popescu the dood's self-valuation is there very much transparent : he wants to do a quarter hour of unskilled work ; and he wants to be paid 5k for it, ie about a week and a half's worth of skilled work.
12:48 billymg mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/pqQG2/?raw=true << for wp testing
12:48 mircea_popescu that's the leverage involved : for 1% or so of being a salesman, fellow would like 10`000% or so of being the corporation's president.
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even funnier -- d00d dun actually need that 5k for anyffin, he inherited bargefull of moola at some pt in '14-15 , collects 'rolexes' etc. he's doin' it to (per tlp) 'Feel Like a Trader'(tm)
12:49 mircea_popescu which very much leads straight into the whole http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-179.0-191.92
12:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, mno, this is, genuinely, the self-valuation of labour.
12:50 asciilifeform evidently so
12:50 mircea_popescu and it just as genuinely explains for your benefit why "nobody made anything". for someone to have done 100% of the work of the competent sunkworks engineer, that someone'd have expected to be paid 10`000`000% the whole earth.
12:51 mircea_popescu as ~evidently enough there's not 10k earths around, but one, and as just as evidently russia ain't going along with ustarded "valuations", so even "Whole earth" is too high to reach, well... fellow "can't motivate himself"
12:51 mircea_popescu or, in his own words, http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/
12:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: admittedly 'make own' using the published schem aint quite same thing as 'do 100% of the orig work'
12:52 mircea_popescu competent skunkwork engineer is caen-classified as "make own using published scheme"
12:52 mircea_popescu "do 100% of orig work" is not in caen code.
12:52 asciilifeform wat's a 'caen' ?
12:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, http://coduricaen.info/
12:53 asciilifeform lol!!
12:53 * asciilifeform sadly familiar with the usg equiv. of ^
12:53 mircea_popescu orcish idea, "let's classify human activity" "you mean robot activity ?" "shush"
12:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888229 <<
12:54 a111 Logged on 2019-01-18 17:38 asciilifeform: the bureaucracy 'codes' are sumthingelse... there was a time when asciilifeform slaved in a usg army research thing, and their 'job codes' were written in 1960s, there was no 'programmer'. so ended up 'chemist'.
12:55 asciilifeform ^ is a bottomless well of lulz. for instance, didjaknow, usg does not today and has never purchased 'computer'. it buys 'automated data processors'
12:55 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906236 -> I'd say the "kids ate my time" is the convenient excuse as it's not like he has 100, nor like he is even main carer or anything; just sayin'.
12:55 a111 Logged on 2019-03-31 16:21 BingoBoingo: billymg: The guy used to hang around here until the children came and ate his time.
12:56 asciilifeform i oughta get pete to buy my bucket of aluminum swarf from machine shop bucket, coupla wks ago i filled it up again. maybe he can sell also for 5k..
12:56 mircea_popescu diana_coman, i'd rather suspect it's "ate his motivation", as in "i already gave at the office".
12:56 diana_coman re fg inside, I suppose that's the "those guys don't know how to sell" - gotta make it a collectable, there's no use and no purpose other than it's cool; but mircea_popescu's explanation of self-valuation seems to me to explain it all much better really.
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12:56 * asciilifeform brb:teatime
12:56 mircea_popescu "isn't it enough that i'm getting real returns on THIS ONE THING ? it should be. all the rest... imaginary!"
12:57 diana_coman mircea_popescu: wtf give exactly?
12:57 mircea_popescu he had kids. this means (in insane esltard worldview) that he condescended to receive merely 100% (if that!!!) of the return for 100% of the work (and more!!!!).
12:58 mircea_popescu this is, you must agree, a significant discount from his usual 10`000% of the return for 0.01% of the work.
12:58 mircea_popescu thus therefore -- since he's given the discount ONCE -- what more you want ?
12:58 diana_coman ah, uhm; does that mean he didn't have sex before because return would be < 100% ?
12:58 mircea_popescu i'm sorry, i misspoke. not "what more you want" but "nobody could say there'd be more wanted", exactly in g. costanza's terms, "she can'tr say i;m not comfortable".
12:58 mircea_popescu diana_coman, ah no, sex dun enter into it.
12:59 diana_coman I suspect the whole thing is more twisted than planeshift's code already.
12:59 mircea_popescu well, it'd have to be.
12:59 mircea_popescu how else could ps code be had ?
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13:00 diana_coman ahahah, quite.
13:00 diana_coman but yes, on second pass I think I can see it: that's his sweat there, "having kids", the rest has to compensate !!
13:02 mircea_popescu quite.
13:02 mircea_popescu it's how mom&dad negotiations work, neh ? "ok, ima go to college (sorta) but you get new car".
13:03 * diana_coman would get the kid a toy car since ~= "college" anyway.
13:04 mircea_popescu diana_coman, would make a terrible mother!
13:04 diana_coman absolutely!
13:05 mircea_popescu amusingly, much in the vein of http://trilema.com/2019/the-saddest-thing-in-the-world/#selection-199.1-199.37 -- romanian "teribil" has none of the negative connotations of "terrible".
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13:06 mircea_popescu it ~merely~ denotes something capable of striking terror. at which point yes, esltard will readily observe "same with terrible", and inquire interiorily "how could this be, inspire terror and not be terrible, aka bad ?!?!"
13:06 mircea_popescu yet "o mama teribila" is rather superlative in the original lang.
13:08 mircea_popescu this identification of "any feeling at all" with "bad" in the mental collective is why bush needn't cary any responsability for his empire's failure in the middle east (i don't mean, "his empire failing to achieve something or the other in that locale", i mean "the empire failing, aka ending, at that place", much like if i say "clinton's aneurism at 15th chelsea street" i mean the dork fell in the street, not that the stre
13:08 mircea_popescu et something or the other)
13:19 mircea_popescu billymg, mind re-doing for http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc thx
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13:38 billymg mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bE2Io/?raw=true
13:40 mircea_popescu ty!
13:42 mircea_popescu billymg, http://billymg.com/wp-admin 404's. allow 186.* for a moment ?
13:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906292 << diana_coman (iirc is in the l0gz, somewhere briefly) 1 time i dug up what turned out to be an attempt by pete_d to market fg -- his notion was 'first, gotta rename! it'
13:48 a111 Logged on 2019-03-31 16:56 diana_coman: re fg inside, I suppose that's the "those guys don't know how to sell" - gotta make it a collectable, there's no use and no purpose other than it's cool; but mircea_popescu's explanation of self-valuation seems to me to explain it all much better really.
13:48 mircea_popescu seems a common enough reaction.
13:48 asciilifeform was such 'success' that he never bothered to mention it here
13:48 mircea_popescu in fairness, common all the way to biology : before cell deems it can use virus, the latter first has to be de-capsid-ized.
13:49 mircea_popescu was pretty lulzy coda of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-30#1906182 lulz : perhaps measles, also, should protest "all these cells using my genetic code!!!"
13:49 a111 Logged on 2019-03-30 17:10 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/antiqua-sanctorum-patrum-or-the-lordship-list-sixth-year/#comment-128755 << mega-likbez, btw, imho belongs in the log
13:49 asciilifeform man is supposedly moar clever than amoeba...
13:49 mircea_popescu who supposes ?
13:50 asciilifeform can only speak for self, asciilifeform previously supposed.
13:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906312 << same afaik in most west eurolangs, e.g. famous french sub 'le terrible'
13:54 a111 Logged on 2019-03-31 17:05 mircea_popescu: amusingly, much in the vein of http://trilema.com/2019/the-saddest-thing-in-the-world/#selection-199.1-199.37 -- romanian "teribil" has none of the negative connotations of "terrible".
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14:21 billymg mircea_popescu: whoops, sorry. try now
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14:46 billymg actually, 2x whoops, just locked myself out temporarily -- should be good now
14:54 mircea_popescu billymg, submitterd for review, but long story short you don't have img upload anymore that i can find ?
14:56 billymg hmm, i definitely tested that aspect
14:58 billymg in the post edit screen, do you see an "upload/insert" label above the editing box?
14:58 billymg i wonder if this is a limitation of "contributor" role
14:58 billymg ah, yes
14:58 billymg one sec
14:59 asciilifeform imho 'roles' is yet-another wpism that could be cut w/ 0 tears
14:59 billymg updated, see if that works for you now
15:00 diana_coman fwiw I don't see any use for "roles" either
15:00 asciilifeform iirc theoretically it was for 'multi-author' blog. but who actually uses this.
15:01 billymg yeah, they have roles such as "contributor", "author", "editor"
15:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> iirc theoretically it was for 'multi-author' blog. but who actually uses this. << Until cazalla retired, Qntra
15:02 diana_coman multiple authors is one thing aka multiple users; multiple roles though is a different thing
15:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik would've just as readily worked with simply you an' him having logins, no 'roles' knobs
15:03 asciilifeform 'roles' is as i see it simply the typical usgistic 'pissing section in swimming pool' pretense
15:03 BingoBoingo Sure.
15:10 mircea_popescu billymg, nope
15:10 mircea_popescu holy shit, now it's here.
15:10 mircea_popescu wtf, this is some primo shenanigans
15:13 mircea_popescu billymg, now "Unable to create directory /www/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/03. Is its parent directory writable by the server?"
15:13 billymg ah, issue with my server config
15:13 billymg ran into that when testing locally as well
15:13 mircea_popescu i can see the "forget roles" thing, but i expect this is no cheap or quick move of the scissor.
15:14 mircea_popescu will prolly go away when he sits down to remodel the data model after done with all these obvious library level snips.
15:14 mircea_popescu because yes, item is deeply in need of new data and calling models.
15:20 billymg mircea_popescu: did the necessary chmoding and usermoding, restarted apache, works for me now
15:21 billymg (also saw the same "unable to create directory" error prior to that just now)
15:26 mircea_popescu billymg, : "Size Thumbnail Medium Large Full size (560 × 420)" only permits me the 560x420 upload. ideally should have also a thumbnail or two, you know ? sometimes that works better. i suspect this comes from settings
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15:28 mircea_popescu billymg, http://billymg.com/ << also some allignment issues on main blog.
15:29 billymg the alignment issues probably the fault of the theme
15:30 mircea_popescu since you're touchging that, prolly good advice to widen it.
15:31 mircea_popescu if trilema-size (560 px wide) doesn't comfortably fit in your post column, prolly too narrow post column
15:31 feedbot http://billymg.com/2019/03/hurr-durr/ << billymg -- Hurr durr
15:32 billymg definitely, i had planned to write a custom theme at some point, with inputs from the lords, to try and arrive at an "ideal" default theme
15:32 mircea_popescu whatever you decide on, 580 wide, 660 wide, whatever -- then you make thumbnails /4 that, so people can do things lik http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
15:33 billymg do you know if this was a regression in this patch?
15:33 billymg or something you would like to see
15:33 mircea_popescu "this" ?
15:33 billymg the image thumbnail generation
15:33 mircea_popescu or, the sizes. well, no, i expect this is part of the theme setting. i dunno that it'd work magically
15:33 billymg kk
15:34 mircea_popescu now ~whether~ it can or can not resize images, that'd be part of mp-wp, and i expect it'd work, but your current theme doesn't expose the functionality
15:34 mircea_popescu at least that's my understanding.
15:34 billymg ah, i see
15:36 mircea_popescu as far as experience illuminates, a theme goes like this : a) you must have a header, and a.1 you don't want it animated ; thus i know of nothing better than tcurrent state of the art as shown by trilema : mask-png which goes with the theme, invite user to take some pictures, apply the mask, upload them and have the theme rotate through them by some criteria.
15:36 billymg ok, i see now exactly what you meant by can't select the other sizes while uploading (only original)
15:36 mircea_popescu b) you will need a main column for text on the left, and either one or two service columns on the right. this is the first major decision in theme making : one ? or two ?
15:36 billymg the radio buttons are disabled
15:37 billymg this _may_ be a result of the patch, in which case a regression. will dig in
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15:37 mircea_popescu b1. your text column will have to have a fixed size. this is the 2nd, and i suspect last decision you make. too wide, you get horizontal scrolling, and that sucks. too wide, you're reading an electromagnetic beam, which also sucks.
15:37 billymg heh, yup
15:38 mircea_popescu trilema's a little under 640, because trilema was made 10+ years ago. you can take advantage of wider screens, make the read column say 640. or 720, if single utility column.
15:38 mircea_popescu once you got that, the size of pics preset is establshed : one to fit well in column, one to fit two by each other, and one to fit four.
15:38 mircea_popescu b2. the utility columns must include a recent posts, a recent comments, and convenient access to archives.
15:39 mircea_popescu trilema puts articles outside comments inside ands some more trims underneath. but i don't expect this is the only way to go about it -- though perhaps it is best to have "recent x" things up top.
15:40 mircea_popescu c. you absolutely do not want any kind of nesting, comments or otherwise. c1. you do not want to split comment flow on pages. c2. you gotta have usage of various things such as blockquote or li or bold or h commensurate in comments with their use in post. comment should really look like mini-article, visually.
15:41 mircea_popescu that'd be pretty much everything that comes to mind.
15:44 billymg ok, i might capture/reference this in an upcoming post then, along with other potential roadmap items for consideration
15:45 billymg so far main buckets as i see are: 1) new tmsr/repuplican theme, 2) automated tests, 3) kill unnecessary code
15:45 billymg in no particular order, if anything i'd say it's 2, 3, 1
15:48 billymg mircea_popescu: ok for me to lockup the blog again?
15:54 billymg but yeah, the "mp-wp roadmap proposal" post is something i've been meaning to do
15:55 mircea_popescu billymg, yea
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17:22 phf z/YhwD+F/yRp3bbIZHS4YZYGCD+G4epaS4JIgPYHIFwy5eGS/zXBUGZogCakV8K7
17:22 phf UHh9Yx4eabNECfuPBA5KG8uzm+OIKxDgVBk3ep/l7qs9lVnSAmss2xeFlu8hz8n8
17:23 phf 5F4kXPIeQpdDdGSbFzmnR4fEkk2LSS1ZaWQ6zXCvPfHCfRcX3lHNFkgM4+Ewp4OY
17:23 phf K35kUXJlx3GTrLmgHqlUm5rgcEh4L9n30I6cjoof/oPY0tlvenDHZTw7n+a4xURq
17:23 phf =l8LI
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17:23 phf ffs, sorry about that, i fucked up a paste..
17:25 phf asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cSNhS/?raw=true
17:31 asciilifeform phf: got it, thx. the linked piece already in log btw, phf excavated it last yr .
17:32 feedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2019/03/31/pizarro-isp-march-31st-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP March 31st Update
17:34 asciilifeform phf: the included items appear to be quite useful, also ty .
17:46 asciilifeform phf: pure gold, in fact. mega-find, phf.
17:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv << loox a++ . also ty phf.
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21:01 mod6 Evenin' all, the Bitcoin Foundation report will be delayed by a few more days than normal (typically I have it out by the 1st); it'll be done before April 5th though. Just a heads up.
21:06 mod6 !!received-invoices
21:06 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aYsy0/?raw=true
21:21 mod6 !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 4
21:21 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Z0gXi/?raw=true
21:25 mod6 !!v 8F2E0C8F2975FE714EB00178DEFC457DDEAAC2A50CE8651A39123C9AE70AEF4C
21:25 deedbot mod6 paid BingoBoingo invoice 4
21:25 mod6 Cheers!
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