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00:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was thinking dips
00:37 mircea_popescu item could have a certain artful oldschool-cool air about it, if the key was dips.
00:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i considered it, yrs ago, but imho it has serious minuses in the field
00:39 mircea_popescu i suppose this is true.
00:41 mircea_popescu can it take normal kbd then ?
00:42 asciilifeform easily
00:42 asciilifeform ( where 'normal' is ps/2 say )
00:47 mircea_popescu right.
00:47 mircea_popescu well... keyin pw every bootup, i guess.
00:52 asciilifeform was how i pictured it.
00:53 asciilifeform tbf in principle you dun need kbd, at minimum, only 1 char 'eye hole' and left/right/enter button set
00:54 mircea_popescu takes too long. just type a pw, what.
00:54 asciilifeform ( usg's locks work this way, one of their few sane techs, 1980s vintage. thing starts each new char at random init value, too, so peeker dun see anyffin useful from the side )
00:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idea being that one could enter pw even with other folx ( in e.g. restaurant ) looking on.
00:55 mircea_popescu this is so not the usercase...
00:56 asciilifeform specifically it, no. but, say, using in a room where windows without blackout tape , possible use case.
00:56 mircea_popescu i suppose the ~usecase is where dorks think they have a right to look into your bags because you are crossing a "border".
00:57 mircea_popescu "make every bag a diplomatic bag" sorta thing.
00:58 mircea_popescu "color their bits", the 2019 version of 1970s "grab 'em by the pussy."
00:58 asciilifeform e.g.
00:59 mircea_popescu all this will result in so much yadda, but anyway.
01:02 asciilifeform hmm?
01:02 mircea_popescu i have 0 expectation it will do anythingf besides create a lot of idle wank in "law enforcement" circles.
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01:03 asciilifeform btw i'll add, nobody with half a brain would cross idjit ameri-border with device + card. 1 or the other at a time.
01:03 asciilifeform 'sure look at this box' 'go ahead, feel free to anally insert this card'
01:06 asciilifeform ( speaking here of proverbial, rather than the actual one, for some reason the actual border has ~0 interest in asciilifeform's cargo , to date, was almost disappointing. . 100x moar poking' and prodding' in orcistans this far, for asciilifeform )
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01:46 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=67 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/22/2018
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13:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cuz they figure "you'll lead them to the terror cell" or some such nonsense.
13:07 mircea_popescu (yes, there is a do-not-disturb list, also, where they put people mostly for the above stated reason (it "wouldn't be fair" to put the inca elite on it, CORRUPTION!!!). as evidenced in these very logs, the process is just as trivially hackable as any other piece of imperial software -- asciilifeform gets the benefit of being a kronprinz without having as much as met this AllMother (and while bemoaning the whole time the unfai
13:07 mircea_popescu rness of life in general and etcetera). because hey, whynot.)
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, dun even need to be kronprinz, you pay fiddibux or i fughet how much it was
13:08 * asciilifeform subscribed, worx, to date, a+++
13:08 mircea_popescu nope, not at all.
13:08 mircea_popescu this is the other one. just about the only way to get on it is to be a potential "embarassment" in the sense of, "we X are following this guy, why are you Y letting him know".
13:09 asciilifeform i can picture
13:10 asciilifeform ( i was speaking of the lul where they give you a subscription that opens the no-customs door on the way back ~into~ reich )
13:11 asciilifeform ( tho theoretically even these get occasional sonderbehandlung 'pour encourager les autres' )
13:11 mircea_popescu cuz the correlate of "french secret services accidentally sms terror suspect" is necessarily SOME KIND OF LIST. cuz that's how you build an empire, you make lists.
13:13 asciilifeform from what i can tell, their entire concept of 'terror suspect' is a hardcoded enumeration of largely accidental/stylistic features, e.g. 'bearded camel fucker', 'weev', 'loud activist'
13:14 mircea_popescu whole empire is a collection of superficialities. "car" is defined similarily.
13:14 mircea_popescu or "rapper" or "businessman" or whatever yo upick.
13:16 mircea_popescu women, right ? built themselves the femstate, magically don't understand why a) it dun work and b) nobody likes them still.
13:17 asciilifeform the concept of 'terror cell' that has 1-800 pnoje also, i suspect, throws the gears out of alignment. 'but where is the seekrit inner one, where they mix sarin', i expect, is the eternal itch.
13:17 mircea_popescu hey, let them grow tits come over.
13:20 asciilifeform 'wtf, where is the plutonium in this suitcase, all derp has is buncha 1u's'
13:20 mircea_popescu no, no, it's still for the plutonium-sarin.
13:20 mircea_popescu see alf, your eternal "IT IS JUST A TRICK" works both ways lmao.
13:21 asciilifeform evidently
13:24 asciilifeform 1 factor is that usa is mega-travel hub, so extensive derping with erry suitcase is impractical ( queue is slow enuff from the bush-era 'bright idea' of inspecting shoes ). reportedly in e.g. israel they try to do the 'copy erry disk' thing, there it is at least roughly practical in re traffic volume
13:25 mircea_popescu more power to 'em. i always carried rsa'd dumps.
13:26 asciilifeform e.g. the outer seals of the trunks with the 1u's, were popped, and the pieces helpfully taped to a 'this crate inspected for the motherland' receipt inside ( inner seals intact, lol )
13:27 mircea_popescu well yes, but security theatre is specifically there to give some spam fliers the appearance of a loftiness they do not merit.
13:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a little tricky to ~boot~ from rsa dump, with bare hands, tho
13:28 mircea_popescu "oh, this piece of paper ? VERY!!!! different from what buskers/joefish/.whatever hand out. THIS ONE HANDED OUT BY BLUE USG!!! BIGGEST THING IN IMPORTANCE!"
13:29 mircea_popescu course, pointing out to them they all say the same thing... also throws wheels into gears or how did it went. as eminently evinced by http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/#selection-331.0-331.255 and such
13:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they not simply 'say same thing', it's a form letter, not even rubber stamped but initial'd by some monkey
13:30 asciilifeform ( unlike ye olde su, usg has a shortage of fancy rubber stamps , for some reason )
13:30 mircea_popescu "wait, what do you mean we're just another spammer vying for your attention with all the others ?!?! but we don't tape papers to trees, we tape them to luggage insides!!! GOTTA COUNT FOR SOMETHING!"
13:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cuz emancipated nation of africa rubber producers ? nfi.
13:33 asciilifeform there is, for instance, an Official cap on benjies, iirc 10k. but nobody ever counted'em in any usg airport i've been to, for so long as they fit in wallet
13:34 asciilifeform or, say, woman's purse, nobody ever searches, they poke inside with a ceremonial stick.
13:34 asciilifeform or could go on, but there's too many of these and they aint particularly interesting to catalogue
13:37 asciilifeform the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue
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13:38 asciilifeform ( on rare occasions -- in airplane just prior to take-off, it makes for convenient ad-hoc jail )
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15:59 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/alt-twitter-gab-loses-kicked-off-hosting-services/ << Qntra - Alt-Twitter Gab Loses Kicked Off Hosting Services
16:00 asciilifeform lol!
16:02 * asciilifeform wishes the derps a smooth trip into the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 rubbish bin
16:02 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
16:15 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/ibm-buying-red-hat/ << Qntra - IBM Buying Red Hat
16:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Weev and Anglin are still scraping by as best as they can https://dailystormer.name/rabbi-at-tree-of-life-cut-a-jew-babys-penis-off-in-2013/
16:16 asciilifeform usg.dept-of-kompyooting unification chugging along, eh
16:16 asciilifeform reminiscent of banks in the '08 times
16:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, except for manufactering, because Obama said you can't do that in US-istan. Hence Lenovo getting IBMThink and Global Foundries getting all of IBM's fab work
16:17 asciilifeform all that remains is for ibm to merge with microshit-oogle
16:18 BingoBoingo Nah, they have to pick one of the two per Coke/Pepsi theorem
16:18 asciilifeform i suspect that they can no longer afford the 'luxury' of pepsi.
16:18 BingoBoingo Microshit, Googlag, or Manzana
16:18 asciilifeform not for long, anyway
16:25 BingoBoingo Anyways, if Gab somes knocking, I will try to get a price for them. Considering they were hosted on MS Azure for a long time, it is hard to tell if they can fit at any price or if their all comers deal makes them dependent on cheap Fort Mead bandwidth
16:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing the derps actually ponying up the coin to cover the not-insignificant cost of housing their rezistenta prin cultura idjitmagnet. but whoknows.
16:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I do have difficulty with that as well. Anyways people, no platforms.
16:31 BingoBoingo *people not platforms
16:33 BingoBoingo You can WoT evaluate people. Hard to do that to a toilet full of cops.
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19:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-28#1866904 << cuz all the "picking up" left available is by name only ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795382 extends, extends.
19:27 a111 Logged on 2018-10-28 17:37 asciilifeform: the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue
19:27 a111 Logged on 2018-04-10 03:06 mircea_popescu: eh. the quality of police work has so terribly degraded in the past half century, if anyone does ANY PLANNING AT ALL it's a murder that'll never get solved.
19:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have a serious wtf re serpent, and neither the s.mg/classic ada, nor the orig paper, has helped me to make sense of it, and i'm suspecting that i'm thick... so here it is:
19:40 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=68 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/23/2018
19:40 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-now-president-elect-of-brasil/ << Qntra - Jair Bolsonaro Now President Elect Of Brasil
19:41 asciilifeform observe, in the key scheduler,
19:42 asciilifeform for I in 0..131 loop W(I) := Rotate_Left(W(I-8) xor W(I-5) xor W(I-3) xor W(I-1) xor 16#9e3779b9# xor Unsigned_32(I), 11); end loop;
19:42 asciilifeform or hrm, nm, i'm thick, after all
19:43 asciilifeform ( was about to ask 'so does it actually use the other 4 32b words..' then it clicked )
19:44 asciilifeform so nm.
19:45 asciilifeform i still dun grasp why the fuck the author used this adhocism, with 1way propagation, rather than an actual hash (and 'because all other blockciphers did' is not an answer.. )
19:46 asciilifeform iirc diana_coman asked a similar q, but cant currently turn up the thrd
19:48 asciilifeform for that matter, why not let user give the full 528bytes (132 x 32b) of key material, why this whitening is hardwired in.
19:49 asciilifeform ( anyone who considers 528byte an excessive key, can use e.g. keccak as expanded, instead of the 1970s strange , neh )
19:49 asciilifeform *expander
19:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, diana_coman , el al -- what am i missing ?
19:50 asciilifeform *et al
19:51 asciilifeform what's the win from the not-really-hash 'key schedule' thing?
19:54 asciilifeform so then i go an' reread the paper, and whole thing is in this style. 'oh i picked the sboxes based on shuffling des's and rejecting the variants that keep bits in position toomuch' but where IS this scratch work posted?? apparently nowhere.. )
19:55 asciilifeform motherfucking academitards.
19:56 asciilifeform 'oh posting intermediate calcs Would Be Wrong (tm), some scum could find out that we're fulla shit', or is there some other plausible hypothesis here..?
19:59 BingoBoingo President's Book of Secrets for President's eyes only?
20:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: thing was never usg.adopted, was 90% of its orig appeal
20:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's a quote from a piece of children's literature. Sub "President" for "Man ritualistically staying alone"
20:05 asciilifeform lol
20:06 * BingoBoingo working on a piece covering republican research and doctrine on censorship resistance as of 2018 to throw on the blognotebook, to inform Pizarro marketing.
20:07 asciilifeform https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/serpent.pdf ( pdfturd! ) << near as i can tell, is the 'full paper' referred to in the 'short'
20:08 asciilifeform and it claims a specific process that supposedly produced the sboxes, but gives only pseudocode with a handwave ' if has desired properties, then keep sbox ' turd
20:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: potentially interesting, but i suspect that it wont do much for the idjit heathens , who dun grasp even most basic step of hygiene , i.e. letting go of dnsism
20:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's not for heathens. It's for me and whoever else reads to repackage for heathens.
20:13 asciilifeform as if it could possibly matter where you host sumthing if 'customer has come to expect' weev.com as the only way in
20:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aite then
20:17 asciilifeform '... it was an- alyzed by programs we developed for investigating block ciphers, and we found bounds on the probabilities of the differential and linear characteristics. These bounds show that this choice suits our needs.' << spoiler: also posted nowhere...
20:17 BingoBoingo Like other Republic pursuits we have experience, practice, and doctrine in the logs but like other things (v state of the art) it could benefit from collection
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20:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have nfi why ANY of those!
20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i looked over notes from the 1st time i read the thing, and had same reaction then ! but then, left with 'maybe i find why'. 3y later, not found why !
20:42 mircea_popescu ours is not to find out why.
20:43 asciilifeform at this point i strongly suspect that there ~isn't~ a 'why', author pulled thing out of his arse like the others.
20:44 mircea_popescu anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why.
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20:46 * asciilifeform brb,meat
20:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that's a good idea incidentally. lotta stuff we invented last tuesday and in the brief interval became seemingly "older than dirt" / "in kindergarten!!!" is in fact entirely unheard of outside the walls.
20:47 BingoBoingo It is an issue I am concretely running into
20:49 BingoBoingo We've documented our victories well, but when explaining to heathens why, collections of log links where the path to victory happens and is discussed often don't quite do it on their own
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21:08 BingoBoingo And after Kirchner in Argentina, Bolnasaro in Brasil... The Uruguayos on Reddit think planes surely can not be rockets: http://archive.is/dSdho
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21:41 mircea_popescu right.
21:46 mircea_popescu moreover, heathens are generally completely bereft of any kind of thought process. by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WXFOP/?raw=true
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22:17 BingoBoingo !!rate nicooleci 2 Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
22:17 deedbot nicooleci is not registered in WoT.
22:17 BingoBoingo !!rate nicoleci 2 Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
22:17 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZuzlP/?raw=true
22:18 BingoBoingo !!v FE4479BA4353DE8C614A7112895F7D418CD6C2111FA664BB81648676A6C5B540
22:18 deedbot BingoBoingo rated nicoleci 2 << Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
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22:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1866964 << specifically in the context of the 'crypto contest' where serpent was trotted out, there was a loud and pompous 'here's ciphers, with jusfifications!' circus. so imho the excuse of 'not knew to wash hands yet' is not available
22:33 a111 Logged on 2018-10-29 00:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why.
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23:03 mircea_popescu hey, people cca 1400 made big deal of "purity" as well.
23:03 mircea_popescu using the words is worth nothing ; if not used by a lord they're powerless.
23:08 asciilifeform meanwhile, in sneak previews, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bmF1K/?raw=true
23:09 asciilifeform ^ summary of serial i/o processor thing asciilifeform baked. will be applicable even if we come up with sumthing less sad than serpent, in fyootoor.
23:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somewhat related observation: designers of blockciphers are fixated on 'what if known plaintext block', but it is not clear to me why this has to be a living problem when you can fill up 1/4 or 1/2 or whatever of block with rng
23:19 asciilifeform ( if storage/bandwidth are cheap, potentially could stuff all but 1 byte, or even bit, with rngolade, if you like )
23:20 asciilifeform it also handily disposes of the penguin.
23:20 asciilifeform ( without requiring blocks to contain serial #s or anything of the kind )
23:20 asciilifeform sorta like what people already do re rsa.
23:21 asciilifeform and yes it means that rng bitrate will constrain write speed. but it aint as if this is not solvable problem.
23:23 asciilifeform one possible handy algo for the degenerate case of '1 bit of payload per block' -- your block is ~wholesale~ rngolade, and you simply flip the last bit so xor(b0,b1,...,bN) equals your desired payload bit.
23:23 asciilifeform this solves (if you will) asciilifeform's ancient puzzler, 'how to avoid any part of block being known plaintext'
23:26 asciilifeform nao, exercise for the reader : find the bandwidth of this channel ( how many bits , if more than one, can be stuffed into a block and still preserve this property ) ...
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