| 01:13 |
hanbot |
BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/48Uzp/?raw=true |
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| 05:19 |
ave1 |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863087, look at the pasted code. Yes, you move it from a dynamic allocation on the heap to a "dynamic allocation" on the stack. With the major advantage that the stack is a well defined mechanism with predictable results where dynamic allocations are not. |
| 05:19 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-15 19:13 bvt: ave1, can you expand on getting rid of string allocations? I see a way to get rid of it for Mode, but not for the Path argument. i can move its c-string from heap to stack, but that would be it. anyhow, i will revise this aspect. |
| 05:22 |
ave1 |
Using the stack makes code less error prone and a lot more readable, please read the FFA code; http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49. |
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| 07:18 |
bvt |
thanks, i see what you mean. the Interfaces.C.Strings.New_String() comments explicitly say that the heap allocation is necessary for the large strings, which is not the case for vpatch temporary file names. |
| 07:18 |
bvt |
i have already reworked the code based on the following code from GNAT: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xjjec/?raw=true (g-locfil.adb, lockfile implementation). i.e. System.Address of an aliased String as argument to C function. |
| 07:20 |
deedbot |
http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/16/smg-comms-chapter-2-raw-types/ << Ossasepia - SMG Comms Chapter 2: Raw Types |
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| 07:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yknow it occurs to me, one could make a likely very popular film, call it "captive" or w/e, simply through filming the male seminal canal from teste to ligature point in one of those tube-tied doods. 4 minuites of voice-over at the beginning explaining what's what ("this is joe. joe is a sperm." bla bla) and then the rest of an hour and a half just... let people watch the random walk. |
| 07:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863187 << this'll take some rereading ; ima take it with me on trip. |
| 07:38 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-16 11:20 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/16/smg-comms-chapter-2-raw-types/ << Ossasepia - SMG Comms Chapter 2: Raw Types |
| 07:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863111 << thinking about this in the interim, it is EVIDENTLY the case. "files" as in ~the fucking thing REFERENCED~ in the "file"system names aren't even first class abstractions! the drive's a BYTE device! there's no fucking files ANYWHERE except in the imagination. |
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| 07:44 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-15 19:24 mircea_popescu: s a file system AT ALL, and the "all things are files" is just a thin wraper on a turd sausage made out of "we have no data model beyond ram and our disk doesn't actually work". |
| 07:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what passes for a "file system" currently is this attempt to force a byte-device (sometimes with some half-baked geographical allocation bolted on) through a half-baked database model. wtf is a "FAT" or a "journal" besides poorly implemented mysql/postgres dben ? |
| 07:46 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case there's no such thing as a filename anywhere at all, it's not even 2nd class, it's a sort of indian. |
| 07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
and obviously most of the reason the sql flavour is broken is because "oh, structure could never be aforeknown" and so "must have maximal hallucinatory freedoms". |
| 07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"then you want to put these '''maximal freedom''' elements in a tree ?" "it's not a tree, it's a '''directory structure'''." "wtf is that ?" "a half-baked tree." "you're really dedicated to this half-baked thing beyond all else, aren't you ?" |
| 07:48 |
mircea_popescu |
what fucking filesystem. halfbakedsystem more like it. |
| 07:51 |
mircea_popescu |
man-drive dialogue flows always like : "i want file X" "wtf is that ?" "tell me what i told you before file X is supposed to be" "bytes 4978459876 through 50987498098" "i want bytes 4978459876 through 50987498098 please" "here you go" "are these file X ?" "fuck you" "does file X even exist ?" "little bitch..." "grep -a -C 500 'known pattern' /dev/sda | tee /tmp/recover" |
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| 09:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863191 << bonus: nobody actually sells a hdd that's 'byte device', they're addressable in 512byte blox ( and internally with 4096byte flash sectors ) and it actually makes a diff , not only in re speed but the life of the iron ( erry sector can be written ~2000 times ) |
| 09:31 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-16 11:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863111 << thinking about this in the interim, it is EVIDENTLY the case. "files" as in ~the fucking thing REFERENCED~ in the "file"system names aren't even first class abstractions! the drive's a BYTE device! there's no fucking files ANYWHERE except in the imagination. |
| 09:39 |
asciilifeform |
!Q later tell diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/16/smg-comms-chapter-2-raw-types/comment-page-1/#comment-4339 |
| 09:39 |
lobbesbot |
asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:40 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: if my nitpick isn't clear, i can post an example later today. |
| 09:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863198 << yes fs is a 1960-style db, i thought this was obvious |
| 09:44 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-16 11:51 mircea_popescu: man-drive dialogue flows always like : "i want file X" "wtf is that ?" "tell me what i told you before file X is supposed to be" "bytes 4978459876 through 50987498098" "i want bytes 4978459876 through 50987498098 please" "here you go" "are these file X ?" "fuck you" "does file X even exist ?" "little bitch..." "grep -a -C 500 'known pattern' /dev/sda | tee /tmp/recover" |
| 09:45 |
asciilifeform |
a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1863136 - machine needs no predefine fs, you can use whatever data structures you like and they'll still be there when the power is cycled, per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 formula. |
| 09:45 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-15 19:34 asciilifeform: for instance 1 possible answer is 'no files, errything is an s-expression, and names live in gns' |
| 09:48 |
asciilifeform |
the fs as we know it is a classic example of 'plugging funnel at wrong end'. |
| 09:54 |
diana_coman |
asciilifeform, good point; answered |
| 09:54 |
lobbesbot |
diana_coman: Sent 14 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/16/smg-comms-chapter-2-raw-types/comment-page-1/#comment-4339 |
| 09:54 |
asciilifeform |
when disk was refrigerator-sized, its write speed was 100kB/sec, and ram cost 1 toyota per 128kB, in 1980, it made sense to ask operator to manually move data structures to/from disk/ram. imho today it does not. run in ram, persist it to flash when power cuts out , running from supercap. |
| 09:54 |
asciilifeform |
ohai diana_coman |
| 09:54 |
diana_coman |
it might really be that my ada-fu is not up to the task yet |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: dun worry, it will make sense very quickly when you bake the record |
| 09:55 |
diana_coman |
I expect /hope so; meanwhile it's very good to have that observation there, thank you! |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: didja ever look at my 'nqb' example ? it has buncha records , that get serialized/deserialized correctly |
| 09:55 |
asciilifeform |
( some components -- 'manually', as shitoshi used wildly variable sizes; some -- cleanly ) |
| 09:55 |
diana_coman |
I did; and I will re-visit it |
| 09:56 |
diana_coman |
at any rate when I get to the records I might come and whine loudly if I get stuck |
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| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: you won't need to do any of the streams horror that i did there, because those of your subfields that are arrays, have strictly bounded sizes |
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| 09:57 |
diana_coman |
thing is: there are lots of this "int8 number of keys" followed by "n*int8 key ids" and this in turn is just part of the wider thing |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: if you get stuck i'ma show you how to make it go, cleanly, i have a working example of nearly the same thing you're doing ( gossip prototype thing ) that simply hasn't been cleaned for publication of yet |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
same proggy i took the udp lib from |
| 09:58 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: ty |
| 09:58 |
diana_coman |
noted, thank you |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
np |
| 10:00 |
asciilifeform |
of all the various items asciilifeform has used over the yrs, ada ( and not even 'modern', but even back in ada-83 ) has the absolute sanest support for strict record layout that actually worx as described |
| 10:00 |
asciilifeform |
kinda like cl's 'binary-types' thing, but as part of the language, rather than add-on hackolade |
| 10:01 |
asciilifeform |
it was one of the items i saw back in '16 and thought 'hmm' |
| 10:03 |
diana_coman |
and added for clarification re converters since it struck me that it might be unclear there what's all about: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/16/smg-comms-chapter-2-raw-types/comment-page-1/#comment-4341 |
| 10:03 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: this is correct, i think you grasped it |
| 10:05 |
diana_coman |
that was my whole point of the separation between layer 0 and layer 1 there: at 0 everything is just an array of octets, nothing more |
| 10:05 |
diana_coman |
anyway, when I get to the data structures, I'll see re serializing |
| 10:05 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: aha; you dun actually need to shovel raw octets anywhere other than the udp transceiver |
| 10:06 |
diana_coman |
yes |
| 10:07 |
asciilifeform |
back when i wrote in c, i also serialized/deserialized 'just once', when casting packet to the correct struct, but to precisely nail down the latter required gcc-specific pragmas, as c per se does not give this ability. but in ada the required knobs are standard. |
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| 10:26 |
deedbot |
http://bimbo.club/?p=54 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/13/2018 |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863220 << and this is such a fucking boon... |
| 10:36 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-16 13:56 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you won't need to do any of the streams horror that i did there, because those of your subfields that are arrays, have strictly bounded sizes |
| 10:39 |
diana_coman |
it is! |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, those int8, nint |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
things are kinda deliberately made to dovetail with ada, so i hope they do and if they don't we fix. |
| 10:44 |
diana_coman |
kk; I'll keep up this approach of published-even-if-stumbling small steps so on one hand there is something concrete to shoot down if needed and on the other hand we can correct any trouble early on, hopefully |
| 10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like the perfect plan |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, /me shall be back ~thurs, though might say hi on the road. but will certainly read teh logs! |
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| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
ohai mircea_popescu |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: enjoy the road |
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| 11:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Have fun |
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| 12:43 |
BingoBoingo |
In other local news, neighbors miss the recently destroyed, poorly stocked, drug fort https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/vecinos-extranan-la-seguridad-del-muro-narco-de-su-barrio-20181015192742 |
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| 14:25 |
diana_coman |
!!v 494D05ED14F37EF04279E1E2734703FD2D424F0A05FBB0529D5BB3B31F24D3B2 |
| 14:25 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of phf from 2 to 4 << writes at http://barksinthewind.com/ |
| 14:26 |
diana_coman |
!!v 7E1E4F2FE34E14D134AE36766BDB9B03A33E70E732EA895F3C85B5069050A5CC |
| 14:26 |
deedbot |
diana_coman unrated EDLionX. |
| 14:28 |
diana_coman |
!!v B028A6C69F57E59F9FF2C8A8D42E832AFBFCBA384BED37DCB6954AD2D85BC645 |
| 14:28 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of hanbot from 2 to 5 << writes at http://thewhet.net/; met irl. |
| 14:30 |
diana_coman |
!!v 7664D19896607450301C7F57F742BFEE0AD8A86C65BF93C176F82E1E781CC990 |
| 14:30 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of mircea_popescu from 5 to 7 << writes at trilema.com; at the centre of it all, like it or not; met irl. |
| 14:31 |
diana_coman |
!!v 954D1597F8088BE1679F8B983F91C936D5A90A12AE6AE7BC73634FEE5F6123E1 |
| 14:31 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of mod6 from 3 to 4 << writes at http://mod6.net/ |
| 14:32 |
diana_coman |
!!v 51D9B2F000C98F62F624B2FEB04FE44F223ABA6477CC368D8B2632D33E584814 |
| 14:32 |
deedbot |
diana_coman unrated wyrdmantis. |
| 14:36 |
diana_coman |
!!v 912DB9A1C6D979744DD512AAE2608ABA764A2ED6B936F990B49653D3AD463853 |
| 14:36 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of lobbes from 2 to 3 << writes at http://blog.lobbesblog.com/ |
| 14:37 |
diana_coman |
!!v C5547478E1128CE2F64C3EEF99881B95E3F4ED3651A76126651A2F47B4BEBB08 |
| 14:37 |
deedbot |
diana_coman unrated andreicon. |
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diana_coman |
!!v DF1EDA520FF757011AF51DD8636BE05BB40407A53814815502998D715A045126 |
| 14:38 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of esthlos from 1 to 2 << writes at http://blog.esthlos.com/ |
| 14:42 |
diana_coman |
!!v 28D6D307695429A291B597547A035ADA8EEE530E657A5B079B438406AA2CD4CD |
| 14:42 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << writes at bingology.net and qntra.net; moved to Uruguay and started Pizarro ISP. |
| 14:44 |
diana_coman |
!!v 665D5265D7E55647EE0DD68AE67ADC43A270B1C3016F8EA1403181173E27CF37 |
| 14:44 |
deedbot |
diana_coman updated rating of trinque from 3 to 4 << writes at trinque.org; deedbot and cuntoo; he makes me want again to visit Texas. |
| 14:46 |
diana_coman |
!!v 9DE75EF527902CC5D6B9AB61342C527E98BB7F3B5EE33C19E455290EC06A9E6B |
| 14:46 |
deedbot |
diana_coman rated bvt 1 << introduced himself with well formed question on my blog |
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diana_coman |
!!v E5C2C32C4E2E92AC4415BA9BFBAA4715EACC29ED58A7D18699451B08905714BE |
| 14:53 |
deedbot |
diana_coman rated deedbot 10 << Bot: voice, deeds, wallet; http://deedbot.org/help.html |
| 15:00 |
diana_coman |
that should be all, apologies for the long list of !!v |
| 15:04 |
* |
BingoBoingo back from paying the rent, pretty sure they eyes managed to get a bit of sunburn in spite of sunglasses |
| 15:06 |
diana_coman |
o.O how do eyes get sunburn BingoBoingo ? |
| 15:07 |
diana_coman |
BingoBoingo, also, "comminsion" in the most recent qntra title? |
| 15:07 |
asciilifeform |
cornea burn ? |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo has all-natural eyes, no glass |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
( possibly the 1 win from wearing glasses, is the uv filter coat... ) |
| 15:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, in this southern hell afternoon walks may lead to a bit of a headache. It increases in intensity and seens to be centered around the eyes. |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
mno then not this, no headache from cornea burn, just 1 hell of an itch and quicker cataract |
| 15:09 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I did wear the UV filters today |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
then what ails you is old-fashioned heat stroke, drink water |
| 15:10 |
BingoBoingo |
That could be it |
| 15:16 |
BingoBoingo |
diana_coman: ty, fxd |
| 15:18 |
diana_coman |
BingoBoingo, second asciilifeform there: it does sound like heat stroke really; cover your head |
| 15:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Natural headcover still intact |
| 15:19 |
diana_coman |
I can say the same, but honestly, it was never enough protection against the sun (and fwiw I have thick hair anyway) |
| 15:21 |
diana_coman |
anyways, each with their own head |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
when i was in BingoBoingostan, found myself on numerous occasions wishing for cork helmet. |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
but interestingly 0 sunburn, in asciilifeform's experience sunburn seems to exist only in usa.. |
| 15:22 |
diana_coman |
ahahah; well, I did get sunburn on my shoulders in Costa Rica but mainly because of being in the water most of time while at the beach |
| 15:25 |
* |
BingoBoingo has met a number of not entirely white Brazillians who managed to pick up profound beach sunburn |
| 15:29 |
deedbot |
http://pizarroisp.net/2018/10/16/pizarro-september-2018-provisional-statement/ << PizarroISP - Pizarro September 2018 Provisional Statement |
| 15:29 |
diana_coman |
I can easily picture that really; at any rate, I got otherwise at least 2 shades darker after the few days by the ocean and even now (so...2 months later) I'm still darker than my natural shade |
| 15:31 |
BingoBoingo |
My arms and legs manage to tan to darker shades with sun exposure, but my face pretty much constantly stays in a state of more or less accute sunburn regardless of the quantity and frequency of "bloqueador de sol" applied |
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| 16:36 |
Mocky |
BingoBoingo, usually by the end of winter I look like a coffee with too much cream, but slightly too much summer sun and I turn into kunta kinte for 6 months |
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| 17:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Mocky: That sounds rather healthy. My face and ears have taken to the color red as a seemingly permanent part of their color palette |
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| 17:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Mocky: How is Qatar feeling? Does it feel normal yet? |
| 18:02 |
BingoBoingo |
ATTN: Over the next few weeks I will be making some fairly big changes to the Pizarro website (theme chopping, pictures, etc) If the pizarro site is broken and stays broken please let me know. |
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| 18:23 |
deedbot |
http://qntra.net/2018/10/9-proud-boys-charged-by-nypd-after-being-ambushed-by-antifa-npc-mob/ << Qntra - 9 "Proud Boys" Charged By NYPD After Being Ambushed By Antifa NPC Mob |
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| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
* deedbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) << trinque ? |
| 20:26 |
trinque |
huh, was rebooted without consent! raaaep!! |
| 20:26 |
trinque |
ty asciilifeform |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
np |
| 20:29 |
trinque |
going to intentionally reboot and make sure I fixed what didn't resurrect last time |
| 20:31 |
trinque |
great |
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| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking rain. |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863300 << i think he now also counts as african-american. |
| 21:59 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-10-16 20:36 Mocky: BingoBoingo, usually by the end of winter I look like a coffee with too much cream, but slightly too much summer sun and I turn into kunta kinte for 6 months |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
rain ? was mircea_popescu flyin' in a gilder or wat |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
*glider |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
eh some bs tropical storm, rains perpetually till friday. |