Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:00 Mocky mircea_popescu, dunno: hard to tell if dancing while covered head to toe in black cloth
00:01 Mocky 'plus' was googles chance to play the role of bing, but to facebook
00:03 BingoBoingo Nah, not with all the circles. Too much for users.
~ 24 minutes ~
00:27 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: both are logging, mine has a gap of several days i must stitch in.
00:30 hanbot BingoBoingo : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/huZPj/?raw=true
00:38 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859869 >> btw yes to hot tap water
00:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-09 18:52 diana_coman: hm, speaking of costa rica style...do they actually have hot water at the taps in costa rica (i.e. not shower only)?
~ 2 hours 10 minutes ~
02:48 diana_coman so hot water yes in qatar but coffee not before 7-8am, weird
~ 7 hours 2 minutes ~
09:51 deedbot http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/10/eucrypt-chapter-14-crc32-implementation-with-lookup-table/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 14: CRC32 Implementation with Lookup Table
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~ 1 hours 17 minutes ~
11:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: pretty neat
11:09 diana_coman asciilifeform, thanks!
11:10 asciilifeform there's a whole bunch of weird stuff in gnat, some of it potentially plunderable, some -- dunno -- e.g. a ~complete implementation of SNOBOL
11:12 asciilifeform !!up billymg
11:12 deedbot billymg voiced for 30 minutes.
11:12 billymg thank you asciilifeform
11:13 asciilifeform billymg: now please repeat your introduction here
11:14 billymg first of all, apologies for cluttering the channel, i missed when my name was mentioned earlier
11:14 billymg i don't mean to only lurk, i'm a long time log reader and am hoping i can be of service to any of the lords in their projects. by trade (as defined in fiat land at least) i am a ux designer and developer. happy to introduce myself in the channel if i am voiced again
11:14 asciilifeform billymg: 1st step is to reg your key and get in wot :
11:14 asciilifeform !!help
11:14 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
11:15 billymg !!key billymg
11:15 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/F5E9580D424CB952E67CBF6F2BBEFC527DC1FE40.asc
11:15 asciilifeform oh hm
11:15 asciilifeform !!reputation billymg
11:15 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/039Or/?raw=true
11:15 asciilifeform !!rate billymg 1 new blood
11:15 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MeL3C/?raw=true
11:15 billymg :D
11:15 billymg thank you
11:16 asciilifeform !!v 956CEC42CF618AE84AD5C2755938990AB9542403FB1B409F1CD19EA5D8DA7DD8
11:16 deedbot asciilifeform rated billymg 1 << new blood
11:16 asciilifeform billymg: now try voicing yerself
11:16 billymg !!up billymg
11:16 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Cji3L/?raw=true
11:16 asciilifeform billymg: pm to deedbot
11:16 asciilifeform otherwise won't work when you're newly plugged in
11:20 billymg i pm the output of the decrypted OTP to deedbot?
11:20 asciilifeform you pm it !!v yourdecryptedstring
11:21 asciilifeform like that.
11:21 billymg ah cool!
11:22 asciilifeform billymg: nao tell us about yerself
11:25 billymg i work for your typical sv company, which is my current connection to a fiat faucet, and for that reason i'd like to keep this identity separate from my fiat identity (to avoid an overzealous coworker who may stumble upon the logs trying to get me kicked for a CoC violation or whatever)
11:26 asciilifeform billymg: i suspect that this hazard is largely mythical : asciilifeform for instance has blogged under his human name for >decade nao, and never 1nce encountered this problem
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11:27 billymg i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
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11:27 asciilifeform billymg: for so long as you avoid obvious hand-in-bear-trap in the vein of 'hi, i'm j. smith and i work for xyz corp and their product is liquishit' , generally nobody gives a shit
11:28 billymg asciilifeform: ah, i understood that your situation was more independent, like that of a consultant/contractor?
11:28 asciilifeform billymg: if you're ux/art expert, you will definitely want to be around when mircea_popescu wakes up
11:28 asciilifeform billymg: not always
11:30 billymg fair enough
11:30 billymg art not so much (not a designer of the graphic/illustrator variety)
11:30 asciilifeform billymg: in my experience, if yer fiat shop is looking for a reason to sack you, they'll find one whether or not you posted anyffing 'interesting' ; and if not, and you're actually doing something useful there for the pay, then not
11:31 billymg but more of the software interface variety. although i can also make things look aesthetically pleasing
11:31 asciilifeform billymg: you'll definitely want to speak to mircea_popescu & diana_coman , i suspect
11:32 billymg but i have worked a lot with those in the graphic/illustration side, so can speak their language and manage them through projects if need be
11:32 asciilifeform billymg: are you familiar with s.mg ?
11:32 billymg that's the area of the republic i am perhaps least familiar with
11:32 billymg i know it's the home of eulora
11:32 billymg but not much more
11:33 billymg if that's where the priority is though, then it would be great to help out there
11:34 asciilifeform as i understand that's who ~might~ be interested in ui expertise
11:34 asciilifeform billymg: be sure to stick around when mircea_popescu wakes up, and have portfolio of some kind for him to see
11:34 asciilifeform ( hopefully you have an example of ui work that aint secret )
11:37 billymg i can pull together some older examples, will think about where to host/publish
11:37 billymg more recently i was running the design operation for the company though
11:39 BingoBoingo billymg: You probably want to hang out in #eulora
11:39 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in national news: Snake! http://archive.is/OOW1J
11:41 billymg BingoBoingo: buenos dias, gracias
11:55 mircea_popescu phf young harlot made "oh, all my friends are on sugardaddy type sites now" comment, made me think of you.
11:57 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu
11:58 mircea_popescu hola
11:59 * asciilifeform reads the #e spamola, some of it is a++ lulz
11:59 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4iZMu/?raw=true
12:00 asciilifeform e.g. http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-10-10#438852
12:00 asciilifeform ugh where's mimisbrunnr
12:00 asciilifeform hey ben_vulpes i think mimisbrunnr's voicer br0ke
12:02 mircea_popescu i read !Qatar...
12:02 asciilifeform lol
12:03 asciilifeform lobbesbot entirely awol
12:05 BingoBoingo In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC
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12:06 asciilifeform oh hey 1st, afaik, properly-formed usd rate evah
12:06 BingoBoingo As this was a public auction, I am inclined to believe this is the number we should be using for invoicing.
12:10 mircea_popescu win.
12:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860007 << win #2.
12:13 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 13:51 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/10/eucrypt-chapter-14-crc32-implementation-with-lookup-table/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 14: CRC32 Implementation with Lookup Table
12:13 mircea_popescu dude it's great waking up in the morning.
12:16 mircea_popescu !!rate billymg 1 noob.
12:17 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Q82xE/?raw=true
12:17 billymg mircea_popescu: ty
12:18 mircea_popescu are you the "BT" on diana_coman 's comment section ?
12:18 billymg i am not
12:18 mircea_popescu a ok
12:18 billymg this nick is new, my key is new, and i am new at irc
12:19 mircea_popescu http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/04/results-of-testing-udp-take-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4288 << item also new :p
12:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860042 << yes but alf also never worked for sv.
12:20 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 15:26 asciilifeform: billymg: i suspect that this hazard is largely mythical : asciilifeform for instance has blogged under his human name for >decade nao, and never 1nce encountered this problem
12:21 mircea_popescu you have no idea (in fact, i am sure no human can form idea, as an attempt from first principles) what the frisco atmosphere is like these days.
12:22 mircea_popescu they literally caged ~50k monkeys who have nothing to do all day. king of the flies is a joke, these are adults (well...) not highschoolers and tens of thousands not hundreds.
12:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i only have a distant idea ( sorta like my idea of the atmosphere of venus )
12:23 billymg fwiw i'm in the nyc branch of sv (impossible to distinguish, i imagine, when on "campus")
12:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but you're missing the details, such as "girls complaint ? air corrodes tampon thread, can't pull them back out" sorta truly annoying interplay of general principles.
12:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860043 << if you're very much dedicated to sticking to ux, eg eulora's client's in the early stages of being rewritten, Mocky may want you. otherwise, just pick something and whine at the owner, from v to whatever. write a mp-wp theme. there\s wghat to do.
12:24 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 15:27 billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
12:24 mircea_popescu if not -- learn ada or sql or something.
12:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i am also missing-the-details on, e.g., exactly what hand feels like in a bear trap. but got enuff sense not to put it in, or go to sv..
12:25 mircea_popescu well... delicious cake, alfie.
12:25 * asciilifeform was offered ' go to sv! double, triple pay!111 ' many times, isn't quite ~that~ stupid
12:25 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works because alien dragon being of pure energy, charges from wall socket.
12:26 mircea_popescu btw, i utterly fucked up my maffs (i bring sake excuse) : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859954 tis not 40, tis 160. i applied the 2 factor wrong way.
12:26 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 03:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859841 << hory shit, i still pay ~40. includes pretty girl, nice view, lots and lots of hygienic ritualism... and anesthetic, tho i don't take that.
12:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you sake hot or cold ?
12:29 * asciilifeform cold
12:29 billymg mircea_popescu: thank you. Mocky: let me know if you need help with anything
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12:30 billymg somewhat related to an mp-wp theme, i'd very much like some reliable hosting. do i join #pizarro to ask about that?
12:30 asciilifeform billymg: absolutely yes
12:31 asciilifeform there's 2 vacant rk boxes btw
12:31 asciilifeform with brand-new disks.
12:32 asciilifeform billymg: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/
12:33 billymg are the rockchip mini servers shared hosting as well? or is it 1:1 customer:hardware?
12:34 asciilifeform billymg: dedicated per customer
12:34 asciilifeform physical box.
12:35 billymg i tried speaking in pizarro, i don't see a deedbot to message about voice
12:35 asciilifeform billymg: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg
12:36 asciilifeform billymg: it's manually cranked. you should be voiced nao
12:36 billymg thank you
12:43 BingoBoingo !!invoice billymg 0.03419973 Rockchip 1 Quarter
12:43 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JySMP/?raw=true
12:43 asciilifeform billymg: you'll want to fill up your deedbot wallet.
12:43 BingoBoingo !!v 8E22ADBD80D9C4F16ED2424A5FE3DED7BB70838A3876F77A97A80A33C14239E4
12:43 deedbot Invoiced billymg 0.03419973 << Rockchip 1 Quarter
12:44 asciilifeform billymg: see section 4 of http://deedbot.org/help.html
12:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform warm here.
12:47 mircea_popescu but really, i'm not a huge fan. mostly got it for teh hussies. also had splendid green matcha, mutcha bettera.
12:47 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu drinking warm sake from genuine vintage tin cup from kamikaze corps
12:48 mircea_popescu actually this is a very nice japanese place, eel, yellowtail, red snapper, even serves kimchi.
12:48 asciilifeform neato.
12:48 mircea_popescu (immature and overspicy, but then again they're not koreean)
12:58 asciilifeform billymg: prolly this is obvious, but i'ma remind for the record : whatever you do, dun lose yer pgp key. it's your only connection to the wallet, pizarro, wot . nothing can be done for folx who lose key.
12:59 mircea_popescu well, folks who personally know other folks can beg for a rebirth cert from those other folks. not that it fixes everything.
12:59 asciilifeform billymg: the only way to ever change a key is to 1) sign with old 2) ask trinque politely. there are no 'emergency resets'.
12:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: right, but this is not to be relied on. and only even in principle could work for close meatspace associates of existing l1 folx.
13:01 mircea_popescu in any case, even if i say "basfii-liceform is actually asciilifeform 's new key, he managed to lose the old one", you'll be stuck speaking from the new name and depending on everyone evermore both a) encountering that notice and b) giving a shit, to jump the gap.
13:01 asciilifeform aha
13:01 billymg asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: understood
13:01 asciilifeform losing key is the ultimate 'coarse error of pilotage', and it's happened before, so worth mentioning to all n00bz.
13:02 mircea_popescu i thought it's "gross error"
13:02 asciilifeform right, prolly better engl.
13:02 * asciilifeform has nfi what the english pilots call it. perhaps 'mccain pilotage'...
13:02 mircea_popescu lol. mostly used by crash inspectors.
13:03 asciilifeform naturally
13:04 billymg what is the best method for backup? other drives or paper/physical?
13:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/unelf/?raw=true
13:05 mircea_popescu billymg this is altogether an open question.
13:05 asciilifeform billymg: intensely personal matter. put it where 1) you'll find it, and can decipher 2) nosy third parties, won't
13:05 billymg fair enough
13:06 asciilifeform billymg: for some , ciphrogram printed on drum printer; for other folx -- burn a 1980s rom chip and put in a crate of 9000 identicals ; for yet others -- memorize ; very deeply personal preference
13:06 mircea_popescu tattoo on slavegirls, whynot. then -- 3bn identicals!
13:06 billymg lol
13:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bkxGd/?raw=true
13:07 asciilifeform billymg: out of general principle, and esp. for usaschwitz inmates, it dun hurt to have a well-masqueraded copy sitting some place far from yours or your associates' usual business & habitation
13:07 mircea_popescu i just noticed i sent BingoBoingo an unelf message. were you elf'd before ?
13:09 BingoBoingo I may have been
13:09 BingoBoingo Imma have to do some history consulting
13:09 mircea_popescu whatever, key defense function of key value. so far he's just some guy with a coupla noob ratings. can be reproduced in ~afternoon.
13:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i mentioned it because he put some qty of coin in wallet.
13:09 mircea_popescu oh. right then.
13:09 asciilifeform so potentially painful.
13:10 mircea_popescu iirc other than new voice model, a "flush addy" was also in deedbot upgrade spec.
13:10 mircea_popescu not that it solves the ~general problem~, now gotta safeguard the addy.
13:10 billymg !!reputation billymg
13:10 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gmq2l/?raw=true
13:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo don't you find it distinctly amusing that reputation has "puta" in it ?
13:10 billymg not even coupla noob ratings :(
13:11 asciilifeform billymg: it's refreshed nightly
13:11 asciilifeform billymg: notice that you're self-voicing, so the actual mechanism is real-time.
13:11 billymg ah, got it
13:11 asciilifeform only the display, presently, isn't.
13:11 mircea_popescu nothing's instantaneous.
13:12 asciilifeform billymg: you may also take an interest in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 , tho the mechanism relies on friendship with existing l1 folx , and is considered experimental ( it is a means of insuring against catastrophic crypto breaks )
13:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I find it entirely natural and to reputation's credit that it would have puta
13:13 mircea_popescu la re-puta-cion de los di-puta-dos!
13:13 billymg asciilifeform: excellent, noted
13:14 mircea_popescu even translates fine back to english : the rewhoreation of the biwhoretwos.
13:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hory shit that's a pit viper.
13:20 BingoBoingo Well, it's a couple beaches away from me
13:21 mircea_popescu i had nfi they even lived there.
13:22 BingoBoingo Well, people bring pets
13:22 mircea_popescu that's a helluva pet.
13:22 mircea_popescu but yeah i guess, circus or w/e sorta thing.
13:24 BingoBoingo I think they also might have a zoo over there
13:25 BingoBoingo Fellow could have hitched a ride on a truck
13:25 mircea_popescu snake can be very sneaky, but usually younger / adolescent males. this dude seems quite adult, i'd expect moar territorial with hissings and whatnot.
13:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my recollection is that circus snakes are typically 'fixed', de-venomed. if was 'pet', then prolly belonged to hindu fella
13:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in orcistan where zoo snake still has glands, prolly the war museum has shells with live fuse still in, betcha
13:33 mircea_popescu usually... who knows. i can't tell from pic iof still has his lol
13:34 BingoBoingo Well, Carrasco where the fellow was found is one of the "richer" barrios
13:34 asciilifeform incidentally, erry so often, a critter untypical for $region turns up, having stowed away in asian shipping container
13:34 asciilifeform it's how we got those pestilential stink-beetles here in washingtonistan
13:36 * asciilifeform when reads of 'venomous snake found', inevitably thinks of conan doyle's 'speckled band'
13:36 mircea_popescu kinda how the plague m,oved, too. old history of shipping spreading... new ideas.
13:36 asciilifeform or prior : the rat
13:37 asciilifeform ( difficult to picture nao, but at one time the rat was unknown west of urals )
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu recall when 'venetian mouse!111'
13:37 asciilifeform there are nao raccoon, i recall, in germany, some idjit brought'em in
13:38 BingoBoingo Well, shipping container would be on the other side of the city. Could be airplane passenger
13:38 BingoBoingo hitchhiked on landing gear, fell when doors opened
13:38 mircea_popescu lmao
13:39 asciilifeform ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house )
13:39 BingoBoingo Well, location of being found lines up with airplane approach path
13:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's ok, euros don't build like that.
13:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they have fields tho. and it apparently knows how to level a hectare/day, like boar
13:40 asciilifeform mega-pest
13:40 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house ) << Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter and protagonist of children's stories
13:40 mircea_popescu most of yurp pays farmers NOT to farm.
13:41 mircea_popescu " Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter" << that's pretty funny, seeing how... that's EXACTLY how people see latinas themselves!
13:42 asciilifeform lol
13:43 mircea_popescu https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F564x%2F5d%2F0d%2F41%2F5d0d4100cb53317b38a9ae660baab73f.jpg&u=https://i.pinimg.com/564x/5d/0d/41/5d0d4100cb53317b38a9ae660baab73f.jpg
13:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: critter is amazingly resilient, like some kinda miniature grizzly, can eat a 300m/sec gram into forehead and still run
13:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, maybe you need a better dog?
13:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dun have a dog, or where to.
13:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: only the 2nd best pill.
13:44 mircea_popescu lol you hunting coons with red ryder ?!
13:45 mircea_popescu aaahahahaha o god
13:45 mircea_popescu ok this was the comedy highpoint of the day!
13:45 asciilifeform what's a 'red ryder'
13:45 mircea_popescu 15yo's rifle.
13:45 asciilifeform aa no, not quite so sad
13:46 mircea_popescu then what's the
13:46 BingoBoingo The best ways to coonicide are 1. 100 lb dog assigned to sentry duty 2. cage traps 3. projectile weapons
13:46 mircea_popescu "300m/s gram" ?
13:46 asciilifeform item drills 2x4 wooden plank, phone book, etc.; specially built for that type of pest.
13:46 mircea_popescu anyway, from experience of my north american east coast dwelling friends, the correct racoon weapon is actually a crossbow.
13:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, i tried those 1st
13:47 mircea_popescu no dice ?
13:47 asciilifeform nope, gallops away with arrow straight thru
13:47 mircea_popescu o.O
13:47 asciilifeform they're some kinda mutant horror.
13:47 mircea_popescu maybe they meanwhile build armor.
13:47 asciilifeform the fat from eating garbage, is mega-armour.
13:47 mircea_popescu lol.
13:47 mircea_popescu kinda what fat is, yeah.
13:48 BingoBoingo This is why you need 45 kg of either black and tan or bluetick hound assigned to sentry duty against 3 lb pest
13:48 * asciilifeform would happily use elephant rifle, but not so great in 'civilized' city, 9000 police cars in 5min if one were to
13:50 BingoBoingo http://img3.dogthelove.com/201704/2017/0515/3a/3/022426/original.jpg << One certified killing machine found in quick search
13:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: believe or not, i actually like (certain) animals, would not inflict habitat like this on dog
13:51 BingoBoingo The dogs enjoy the work
13:51 BingoBoingo They go crazy without it
13:51 asciilifeform ( neighbours have pit bulls, and the poor beasts writhe in their miniscule yard )
13:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 40 pound pest. ( last one i weighed... )
13:53 asciilifeform muzzle as big as some dog's.
13:53 BingoBoingo What the fuck is your neighborhood feeding them
13:53 asciilifeform the beautiful 'natural' wonders of north-ameristan...
13:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nfi
13:54 asciilifeform prolly walmartola leftovers.
13:55 BingoBoingo And this is why people resort to leaving flybait out for all comers http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715742
13:55 a111 Logged on 2017-09-19 04:57 asciilifeform: trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ?
13:56 BingoBoingo Maybe you need to start a coyote reintroduction program in your region?
13:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: erry so often, some fucktard does the poison thing, all the cats die, raccoons just get high on it
13:56 mircea_popescu lmao
13:57 mircea_popescu hence the old west expression "a coon's age" for ~forever.
13:57 mircea_popescu deathless beast of the fronteer!
13:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lives for ~decade in wild easily.
13:57 asciilifeform quite unlike rat.
13:58 asciilifeform and generally clever enuff not to get under trucks; even has opposable thumb, can open doors, simple locks, latches...
14:11 Mocky speaking of deathless beasts in the wild, I'm curious how other people get notified when you have new blog comment to be moderated.
14:13 asciilifeform Mocky: mine emails. but i dun recall if mp-wp has this knob.
14:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to round out the thread, trick was to actually rtfm -- forehead thick. gram in ear was the magic pill, worked where arrow in torso didn't.
14:19 asciilifeform i bet pro exterminators study skulls, dissect, properly do homework.
14:20 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: lives for ~decade in wild easily. << From what I understand coons live fast for 1-3 years and that's it
14:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: maybe in forest of montana.
14:20 asciilifeform where they gotta actually forage for wasp hives etc
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recall this video of a coon exhibiting all the "intelligent" behaviour of black chicks code : was rubbing a rock against a glass door, because it had seen rocks open glass doors before but didn't quite understand how impact works. so cargocultcoon.
14:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there aint so many critters that know how to think about glass
14:25 mircea_popescu right. but -- trying, works!
14:25 asciilifeform if they learn how to use rocks, we're sunk
14:26 asciilifeform ( or at least 'civilized' ameristan is )
14:26 asciilifeform fortunately thing has ~wallnut brain.
14:26 asciilifeform *walnut
14:26 mircea_popescu molotov cocktail coon squad!
14:26 mircea_popescu they really could do it! rob 7/11 stores for bottles and car tanks for gasoline, end the world.
14:27 asciilifeform recall, rats in stalingrad chewed cables, took out plenty of tank turret rotators on both sides
14:27 mircea_popescu yup
14:27 asciilifeform imho raccoon bred for brain would be mega-bioweapon.
14:28 asciilifeform fuckers can unscrew jars.
14:31 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl-QY84hojs << hah, found mircea_popescu's rock beast
14:35 mircea_popescu https://giphy.com/embed/xTiTnjIMFuZMVemr8k << item
14:41 asciilifeform yea same
14:49 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> fuckers can unscrew jars. << The can also "play", I recall one time at scoutcamp they improvised a hockey game using a tin as a puck. Coons are perfectly capable of doing it for the lulz.
14:49 mircea_popescu tru
14:50 * mircea_popescu doesn't share the coon hate, having never lived for long where they actually were pests.
14:51 mircea_popescu ~everyone in mass/ct/nh/vermont etc fucking hated coons tho.
14:51 asciilifeform they're great when yer in a place where it's in zoo, like kangaroo.
14:51 asciilifeform not so hot when right there when you open front door.
14:54 mircea_popescu i believe.
14:55 BingoBoingo I suspect they only become mega pest in areas with coyote and deer deficiency
14:55 mircea_popescu i dunno, plenty of deer in the ne.
14:56 BingoBoingo When I left hometown they were pest, but not asciilifeform doomsday pest. More urban customers to my last fiat employment described asciilifeform type doomsday pest, but they also lacked coyotes
15:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plenty of deer here. the 2 species dun compete for fodder at all, afaik
15:04 BingoBoingo Both raid trash. I suspect the coyote is bigger factor. Takes 40 lb scavenger/predator niche
15:04 asciilifeform i have yet to see a deer eat rubbish.
15:05 asciilifeform they'll eat grass, and yes garden
15:05 asciilifeform but dumpster ?!
15:05 BingoBoingo Have seen
15:05 asciilifeform deer imho aint comparable to a dog-sized rat with human hands, re lulz potential
15:06 asciilifeform as for coyote, naturally none in the city, lol, no wolf either
15:06 mircea_popescu depends. one day walking through forest saw doe chased by "barking" buck, tied up companion naked, arms bound behind back and hoisted over branch, then fucked her. great lulz were had!
15:06 asciilifeform lol
15:08 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859947 >> btw, has there been any consideration of publishing a signed tar ball of the first, say half million blocks. not to have them set in stone, but like 'at height 550000, these were the first 500k' for purpose of eat-block jumpstart for nodeless noobs, such as myself? Log search didn't reveal it to my eyes.
15:08 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 01:24 asciilifeform: qatar >> https://archive.is/uy5I6 << nuffing but prb... perhaps Mocky will fix..
15:08 asciilifeform Mocky: various folx published signed hashes
15:09 * asciilifeform digs in l0gz..
15:09 mircea_popescu Mocky yes, actually. both as current "checkpoint" mechanism and otherwise. but you gotta also familiarize self with "fleet in being" concept, discussed in logs pluriously.
15:09 mircea_popescu key part of tmsr defense doctrine.
15:10 asciilifeform mod6, jurov : trb ml down ??
15:11 asciilifeform !#s blkcut
15:11 a111 39 results for "blkcut", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blkcut
15:12 asciilifeform !#s eatblock
15:12 a111 116 results for "eatblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eatblock
15:12 asciilifeform ^ see also
15:13 Mocky ahh, thx
15:13 asciilifeform Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180989 << found
15:13 a111 Logged on 2015-06-29 04:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
15:13 asciilifeform early attempt
15:13 asciilifeform see the readme re what's what.
15:14 asciilifeform observe that you can trivially replicate the thing.
15:14 asciilifeform ( all you need is that little bash , and a reasonably recent trb )
15:15 mod6 asciilifeform: seems up from here -- but yah, we've had problems with it lately.
15:17 mircea_popescu i see it.
15:18 asciilifeform Mocky: keep in mind that 'aggressive' trb syncs in (pessimistically) 2-3 weeks. so not much point in throwing around whole balls of blox.
15:18 asciilifeform but to hash'em -- useful.
15:19 asciilifeform i've thought in the past to have aluminum ( see l0gz re why ) cd's pressed with some qty of blocks
15:19 asciilifeform but it'd be quite bulky, physically, and expensive.
15:20 asciilifeform !#s blocks antifuse
15:20 a111 5 results for "blocks antifuse", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blocks%20antifuse
15:20 asciilifeform ^ see also threads.
15:21 Mocky oh, i didn't realize it was that much better with aggression. my prior, discouraged attempt was without aggression and looking to be substantially slower than 3 weeks
15:23 mircea_popescu of course now we have keccak ready also...
15:23 mircea_popescu which,
15:24 mircea_popescu !#s "acordionize"
15:24 a111 0 results for "\"acordionize\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22acordionize%22
15:24 mircea_popescu mgh...
~ 16 minutes ~
15:40 Mocky mircea_popescu, the significance of keccak here is to have a better hash of same?
15:40 mircea_popescu for the job here discussed, keccak stands with "other hash" like car stands with kitchen robot.
15:41 mircea_popescu in the immortal words of kramer, "i tried to make gravel and... it... it just didn't work"
15:42 mircea_popescu in cvasi-related lulz, https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvTg2OJfrfg
15:42 Mocky i got lost on kitchen robot, non existing item?
15:42 mircea_popescu La fille de joie est belle au coin de la rue là-bas. Elle a une clientèle qui lui remplit son bas... /me sings
15:43 mircea_popescu Mocky it's a riff on how they use tiny mouthfuls at time. car just goes.
~ 24 minutes ~
16:07 asciilifeform Mocky: 'kitchen robot' is euro for usa's 'phood processor'
16:08 Mocky ooohhh, i get it
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: keccak is exactly the right pill for trbi, and iirc mircea_popescu was actually 1st to point this out, yrs ago
16:09 asciilifeform but yes also oughta be put into service in all proggies where we previously had sha
16:09 asciilifeform incl. the block archiver
16:10 asciilifeform ( simply swap the 'sha512sum' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt for phf's standalone keccaktron )
16:17 asciilifeform Mocky: 'aggressive' trb vs regular, is just about 'night and day'. i also have ben_vulpes's 'super aggression' item lined up for test.
16:18 asciilifeform it closes the remaining gap ( in his variant, long-connected but non-block-delivering peers get hassled for blox proactively )
16:24 mircea_popescu problem with sha is that it has no niche besides "fuck you, i'm lazy", and even there... md5.
16:25 mircea_popescu but otherwise, in crc applications crc32 much better, as alf pointed out ; and in what-is-being-hashed-is-long applications, keccak npq.
16:25 mircea_popescu i can't think of what else is a hash used for.
16:26 mircea_popescu certainly i'd rather use keccak than ~anything else for the "make crypto out of trapdoor" style alf thing for example
~ 24 minutes ~
16:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: keccak even worx as a stream cipher, and afaik no better or worse than other extant examples.
16:50 mircea_popescu right.
16:50 mircea_popescu well, minigame using serpent, but anyways.
16:51 asciilifeform ( stream ciphers are a 'religious' topic , imho )
16:51 asciilifeform the 1 plus of keccak-abuse is that you can make the key whatever size you want. but that's more or less it.
16:52 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760718 << 1 thread. )
16:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 15:55 asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
16:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621201 << the orig, iirc, thrd, re subj.
16:53 a111 Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
~ 15 minutes ~
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17:09 bvt Hello, I am BT from the recent diana_coman's comments section
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17:10 bvt I have a bug report for vpatch from phf
17:10 asciilifeform bvt: possibly fastest n00b-birth-to-key-regged to date
17:11 asciilifeform bvt: ideally you'd put it on your www, where we'll read
17:11 asciilifeform but p.bvulpes.com will work in a pinch
17:12 bvt Sorry, don't have a WWW, but the fix should be a one-liner
17:12 asciilifeform bvt: since you're already playing with a vtron, i suspect you know what the correct process is re patch
17:13 asciilifeform ( and yes even 1liner )
17:13 bvt sure, but I guess you are interested in explanation as well?
17:13 asciilifeform definitely
17:14 bvt basically, template variable here: http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch#L285 is too short.
17:14 bvt musl wants 6 template chars: http://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/temp/mktemp.c#n13
17:15 asciilifeform bvt: didja get the orig to actually fail ?
17:15 asciilifeform or is this a theoretical boojum
17:15 bvt empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
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17:16 bvt but also sets a Temp bit in File record
17:16 asciilifeform bvt: plz answer the given q tho
17:17 asciilifeform does it bomb, yay or nay
17:17 bvt sorry, slow typer
17:17 bvt GNAT 2016 runtime deletes all files with temp bits at the Finalization stage, so everything should work fine. (Not an ada specialist, so when finalization is actually run is a mistery to me)
17:18 asciilifeform per the standard it fires when object goes out of scope
17:18 bvt GNAT 2017, though, deletes such files on Close call.
17:18 asciilifeform interesting. so will bomb on gnat-2017 ?
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17:19 asciilifeform iirc ave1's current draft of libc-less gnat is based on 17. but afaik nobody's tried the thing on it yet ( with possible exception of bvt )
17:19 bvt Which explodes at http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch#L789, after close at http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch#L778
17:19 asciilifeform !!rate bvt 1 n00b, ada/vtronics experiments
17:19 bvt Nope, ave1's is 2016
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17:20 asciilifeform bvt: i assume you already know how to self-voice; if not, deedbot.org/help.html
17:20 bvt thanks
17:21 bvt well, I was reading logs for a really long time
17:21 asciilifeform bvt: tell us a bit about yerself
17:22 bvt I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
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17:23 bvt I live in germany, ukr by origin
17:23 asciilifeform bvt: if it aint a seekrit, what sub-subject in particular ?
17:24 * asciilifeform so happens also an ukr, at least by modern day map
17:25 bvt "security", so in the end in boils down to handwaving problems away with TLS (aka pseudosecurity)
17:27 asciilifeform hey, asciilifeform does a similarly loathesome, and at times ~identical, thing, for money in the saeculum. for so long as you approach it the way kepler approached his work as horoscope-maker, it's livable
17:28 mircea_popescu o hey!
17:28 asciilifeform tho i wonder -- in principle academics get to pick their subject. so how'd you end up with ~that~ ?
17:28 bvt Hello mircea_popescu!
17:29 mircea_popescu hola
17:30 bvt I was too naive when I entered academia. Hoped for honest investigation of technology, but everyone there seems to be ok with building on broken stuff.
17:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860394 << even if it doesn't actually bomb, he has a point.
17:31 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 21:18 asciilifeform: interesting. so will bomb on gnat-2017 ?
17:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, he does
17:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was curious how he found, is all.
17:31 mircea_popescu possibly -- read.
17:31 asciilifeform entirely possib
17:31 bvt I was man-aloning for quite some time
17:31 mircea_popescu ha.
17:32 mircea_popescu well, they say the path to sanity comes with finding out there's a word for insanity
17:32 bvt Reapplied ave1's patches over gnat17, and musl-cross-make (https://github.com/richfelker/musl-cross-make/)
17:33 mircea_popescu (this is not even so trivial a point -- generally insanity is perceived as so very personal by the insane.
17:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in more general considerations, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860386 << why the fuck are they doing the satoshi * thing!
17:34 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 21:15 bvt: empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
17:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: man 3 mktemp
17:34 asciilifeform ( yes, they are. but posix, rather than gnat per se )
17:35 asciilifeform 'The mktemp() function generates a unique temporary filename from template. The last six characters of template must be XXXXXX and these are replaced with a string that...' etc
17:35 mircea_popescu item removed in 2008.
17:35 asciilifeform tho interestingly also
17:35 asciilifeform aaha!
17:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu inb4.
17:35 mircea_popescu introduced in 2001. would explain why yt blisfully unaware.
17:35 asciilifeform ( removed in favour of ~what~ , i do not presently know )
17:35 mircea_popescu well... maybe 12 characters.
17:35 asciilifeform lol
17:36 mircea_popescu since we're doing this... "BUGS
17:36 mircea_popescu Never use mktemp(). Some implementations follow 4.3BSD and replace
17:36 mircea_popescu XXXXXX by the current process ID and a single letter, so that at most
17:36 mircea_popescu 26 different names can be returned. Since on the one hand the names
17:36 mircea_popescu are easy to guess, and on the other hand there is a race between test‐
17:36 mircea_popescu ing whether the name exists and opening the file, every use of mktemp()
17:36 mircea_popescu is a security risk. The race is avoided by mkstemp(3)."
17:36 mircea_popescu let me guess, this is like, the golden age of f&o&linus source ?
17:36 asciilifeform oh gets better, watch :
17:37 asciilifeform mkstemp : 'In glibc versions 2.06 and earlier, the file is created with permissions 0666, that is, read and write for all users. This old behavior may be a security risk... ...More generally, the POSIX specification of mkstemp() does not say anything about file modes...'
17:37 mircea_popescu why are we importing this turdology again ?
17:38 asciilifeform nobody's baked a proper one yet. tho i can't presently see why it'd be difficult
17:38 phf posix mandates 6 x's, glibc 3 or more, etc. thanks bvt for catching it, though it seems like a solution is to roll own
17:38 asciilifeform bvt: try voicing yourself ( pm deedbot, see the linked help )
17:39 mircea_popescu phf why do you even use it at all ? i mean... hash the time with a salt, that's your filename. no good ?
17:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: potential headache with processes running on parallel cpu
17:40 mircea_popescu why ?
17:40 asciilifeform 2 get same time turd, then collide, neh
17:41 mircea_popescu mtime ever returns the same value ?
17:41 phf well, you still have to stat the filesystem to make sure you're not clobbering
17:41 mircea_popescu fine, hash(mtime + urand bit + salt)
17:41 mircea_popescu "bit" as in "little bit" colloquial.
17:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not that i see it as particularly likely, but afaik cannot be guaranteed not to, at least not w/out using inline asm, e.g. RDTSC on x86
17:42 mircea_popescu neither "add some entropy" nor "inline asm" strike me as bad solutions.
17:42 asciilifeform iirc we actually had this thread, and asciilifeform concluded 'just get 256bits from FG, and you're golden'
17:42 asciilifeform !#s gensym
17:42 a111 26 results for "gensym", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gensym
17:42 mircea_popescu though i've never seen this thing where parallel execution gets same clock value. i half suspect it's hardware fucked to not.
17:42 phf asciilifeform: to be fair musl's version is naive, it generates/stats in a loop until there's no collision, but theoretically you can still get a race condition. glibc i believe does all kinds of smart tricks to ensure that doesn't happen, but it's all magic
17:43 bvt iirc mkdir does atomic 'create or error-out'
17:43 mircea_popescu bvt unless "new" posix, that's what it is yes.
17:43 asciilifeform bvt: thing is, there is 0 reason for this operation to ever eggog
17:43 asciilifeform unless disk , i suppose, is full
17:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform many reasons. full media.
17:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: right. but otherwise ~must~ succeed
17:44 mircea_popescu full the other way (all possible names present)
17:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: compute, for a laugh, the size of the disk where this can take place
17:44 mircea_popescu were we discussing must or might ?
17:44 asciilifeform ( it won't fit in galaxy )
17:45 mircea_popescu unless there's further constraints, such as "all random numbers are 4"
17:45 asciilifeform lol or unless wings fall off...
17:45 asciilifeform rng is 'jesus bolt'
17:46 mircea_popescu yes well ?
17:46 asciilifeform ( if rng is sad, absolutely anyffing can happen, and imho this oughta be understood by errybody )
17:46 mircea_popescu not what we were talking about! still error condition.
17:46 asciilifeform oughta be a machine-halting eggog imho.
17:46 asciilifeform 'evacuate nao'
17:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860406 << god almighty.
17:47 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 21:22 bvt: I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
17:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is an amusing symmetry, republican machine that halts if it can't touch entropy like imperial machine that halts if it can't phone nsa hq.
17:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho it's the honest thing to do. red lamp, 'grab yer parachutes nao!!', claxons.
17:48 asciilifeform halon valve opens.
17:48 mircea_popescu you're such a drama queen.
17:49 mircea_popescu anyone told you before ?
17:49 asciilifeform lol
17:49 asciilifeform i'd be pretty interested to see FG spontaneously fail, what with the 4x redundant iron.
17:50 asciilifeform ( and not as if it had no 'jesus bolt', it is sadly unknown to me how to make entirely without one )
17:50 mircea_popescu this'd make a great sf-ish story : archeologist in far future uncovers remains of lost intergalactic civilisation,
17:50 mircea_popescu and manages to figure out how to use ONE artefact
17:50 mircea_popescu and it's a fg
17:50 mircea_popescu and it... fails.
17:50 mircea_popescu FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY
17:51 asciilifeform well the current crop aint rated to last >25yrs, not without rewriting the eeprom anyway
17:51 asciilifeform but let the archaeologist find the fyootoor maskrom'd one.
17:51 mircea_popescu "my phd in ancient history is -- the reason X civilisation died. turns out, physics subtly cvhanged, rendering environment uninhabitable for them"
17:52 asciilifeform eh imho that's a 'dog bites man'. i'm moar into 'man bites dog', i.e. ~habitable~ 'small' changes-in-physics...
17:52 asciilifeform ( habitable-yet-measurable at any rate )
17:52 mircea_popescu yes well... great sf is always large scale dog bites man, imo.
17:52 asciilifeform possib
17:52 mircea_popescu scale so large, the dog sneaks up on you.
17:53 mircea_popescu but maybe im too kafkian.
17:54 * asciilifeform scratches carapace thoughtfully
17:54 mircea_popescu i suppose the dog&man permutation duality translates escape-or-enslave dilemma.
17:54 mircea_popescu you know, boat crashes on amazon island. some of the sailors -- excited to be rescued. some others -- burned down rescuer ships.
17:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw recall that we have red lamp already ( iirc i suggested claxon too, back in the design days, but mircea_popescu said enuff-is-enuff )
17:55 mircea_popescu imagine if fg had to come with semi tractor trailer.
17:56 asciilifeform betcha it would, if usg.cisco.crapple had built it..
17:56 mircea_popescu anyway, point being -- lamp's enough, don't have to turn off the chap's computor.
17:56 asciilifeform if i ever find that mine stopped, whole thing is going to dissection table, fg, comp, power supplies, etc
17:57 mircea_popescu yes well.
18:04 asciilifeform btw folx read '>25 yrs' and laugh, but i have 30+y.o. iron on my desk even nao, working.
18:04 asciilifeform ( presently, the 'model f' thing, in the past, others )
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18:44 lobbes !!deposit 0.2
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18:48 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/intel-cpu-shortage-for-most-distribution-channels-as-production-focuses-on-high-performance-segments/ << Qntra - Intel CPU Shortage For Most Distribution Channels As Production Focuses On "High Performance Segments"
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19:23 asciilifeform meanwhile, in very olds : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 << updated
19:24 mircea_popescu end of intel ?
19:24 asciilifeform lol if only
19:24 asciilifeform ( update unrelated, simply doing some www housekeeping )
19:25 mircea_popescu aha. 1 btc not bad,
19:25 asciilifeform i dun expect any takers, but in the interest of lightening the collection / potentially feeding teh hungry...
19:26 asciilifeform it's a niche item, like synchrophasotron.
19:26 asciilifeform and vendor evaporated without leaving any replacement. so there.
19:27 mircea_popescu aha.
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20:45 billymg !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
20:45 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L3rCb/?raw=true
20:46 billymg !!v D037DDE8200E4ED94146C7BE4719BA628EFED5779B4CC4E4ED7A3F693B1DE3C0
20:46 deedbot billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
20:46 asciilifeform billymg: i'ma get your box set up nao.
20:47 asciilifeform !!key billymg
20:47 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/F5E9580D424CB952E67CBF6F2BBEFC527DC1FE40.asc
20:50 asciilifeform billymg: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/skISr/?raw=true and plz confirm when tested.
20:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, mod6 : i put him in 'A' .
20:50 billymg awesome, thank you!
20:50 mod6 my personal node corrupted again. I'll be pulling it off the list of nodes until it's rebuilt... takes about 10 days with eatblock.
20:50 asciilifeform billymg: enjoy
20:50 mod6 asciilifeform: thank you!
20:50 BingoBoingo billymg: thank you
20:50 mod6 billymg: just holler if you have any q's.
20:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will note that
20:51 asciilifeform mod6: ty for the notice
20:51 mod6 I will be looking for a new place to host after my contract is up in november.
20:54 asciilifeform billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
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20:56 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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21:23 mircea_popescu funny how rereads work! so back in 2013, i think all http://trilema.com/2013/the-doctrine-of-total-depravity/ is "religion is bs". but today -- all it really says is that protestantism has fuckall to do with any kind of abstract faith. it was attempt to organize takeover from day one and naught else. the only protestant faith really is a sort of half-republic, "this is the instrumentality of taking over". nobody among their r
21:23 mircea_popescu anks ever bothered to think through the http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/#selection-231.3-239.4 "stump for the sitting" problem, it's true, but anyways.
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21:49 mircea_popescu "APOLOGIA PRO NOMINE MEO. Out of consideration (in part) to such readers as may read this book I have assumed a name by which they may refer to me (if ever he or she may wish to do so kindly) in the same manner at least twice running--a feat of pronunciation which few of my English acquaintances have performed with my natal name. But there is also another reason, considerate of the author. I have been told that there are writ
21:49 mircea_popescu ers whose works would have been famous if only their names could have been familiarly pronounced--Polish and Russian writers for the most part, I gather.
21:49 mircea_popescu Since I had already taken every other precaution but this to deserve their more fortunate fate, in changing my name I have, I hope, robbed my readers of their last excuse for my obscurity."
21:49 mircea_popescu the punch line, being, i suppose -- guess the fellow's name.
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22:00 billymg asciilifeform: everything seems in order with the new box
22:01 asciilifeform billymg: ty for confirming. and dun hesitate to ask if you have q, here or in #p
22:03 billymg i seem to have lost voice in #p again (perhaps from bouncer disconnect -- which will be moving to the new box as soon as i have time to setup)
22:03 billymg can i self-voice in #pizarro?
22:04 asciilifeform mod6: is there a simple way to perma-voice folx in #p ?
22:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is way to add ppl to an autovoice list, +V or something, see teh freenode dox
22:05 asciilifeform will rtfm then
22:06 mircea_popescu fwiw, the spamlulz ceased coupla days ago, #eulora prevails.
22:06 asciilifeform oh hey
22:17 mircea_popescu "Once (in those far-off peaceful days when men still had enough grammatical sense to know that the word "pacifist" does not exist, but that the less convenient "pacificist" does) " << lulz.
22:17 mircea_popescu it's funny how the neologisms of pantsuit are all "created last sunday", so to speak. "egotism" ? "altruism" ? meaningless drivel from the pap mills.
22:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile in "female interest" webtardation : "Areas of Interest Select all that apply. Vaginal Steaming Womb, Wine & Wellness Night Broth Lessons (individual or group) BROTHrive Membership".
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23:31 billymg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860578 < thanks for these. might be handy for new customers to include these links (and the links shared here http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-10-11#440371) on an info page somewhere on http://pizarroisp.net
23:31 a111 Logged on 2018-10-11 00:54 asciilifeform: billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
23:32 billymg under some kind of "sample guides, no warranty" header
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