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00:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1836928 << oblig oldthread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636878
00:10 a111 Logged on 2018-07-21 03:21 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/fuck-argentina/ << Trilema - Fuck Argentina.
00:10 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 00:25 asciilifeform: ( i will say, 0 of the things that drove mircea_popescu barking mad about the place, bother me at all. then again i was there for a week.. )
00:11 asciilifeform on top of this, asciilifeform strongly suspects that dumber, sadder aboriginals than his current ones, exist entirely nowhere outside of perhaps africa
00:22 asciilifeform ( fact however remains : asciilifeform needs 'night life' like fish needs thyratron. )
~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~
01:26 mircea_popescu hey, i liked it fine the first week.
01:37 mircea_popescu meanwhile in blockchain experts, http://truths89.tumblr.com/
~ 4 hours 21 minutes ~
05:59 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836601 <-- afaik they make aggressive use of k-othrine (possibly others) in public places. /me has been hearing the bug-spray cars consistently pass by during warm seasons. I dun remember being stung by mosquitoes for more than a coupla times in the last few years.
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05:59 a111 Logged on 2018-07-20 13:12 asciilifeform: spyked: very interesting -- did they bring back the use of ddt ??
05:59 spyked ftr, this does nothing for flies. still fulla them.
06:02 spyked also ftr, there are places throughout town which are abundant in vegetation (e.g. the vacaresti delta) which I expect are populated with the variety huge of mosquitoes.
06:02 spyked *variety of huge
06:03 spyked in other news for the rotaku:
06:03 spyked !S en-ro mud
06:03 spykedbot muddle things together/ up, to: a amesteca/ incurca lucrurile
06:03 spyked also works the other way around:
06:03 spyked !S ro-en fata
06:03 spykedbot a acoperi cheltuielile, a face fata cheltuielilor: to meet the expenses
06:04 spyked this will serve as demo for trilemabot command handling, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820730
06:04 a111 Logged on 2018-06-05 12:49 spyked: I'm reserving another bot for the rss functionality. but I want to use spykedbot to make a small trilemabot example for implementing prefixed commands. spoiler: I have some code that looks up definitions in asciilifeform's ro-en dictionary ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 ), it's the smallest application that I could find that also does something useful.
06:06 spyked (currently bot only looks up expr dictionary. if anyone is interested by this functionality and wants moar, lemme know)
~ 4 hours 12 minutes ~
10:18 mircea_popescu nb.
~ 21 minutes ~
10:40 asciilifeform spyked: pretty neat
10:41 mircea_popescu !S ru-fr
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10:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was thinking, about your argentines : remember the oddball who ordered FG and never picked up at the post ? i still can't fathom.
10:43 mircea_popescu !S ru-fr кто не с нами тот против нас
10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform conceivably hadn't the dough.
10:43 asciilifeform i think his bot is just a grep in the old ro idiom dict
10:43 mircea_popescu o ho.
10:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: oh ha, they taxed'em, didn't they. like brits.
10:44 mircea_popescu prolly 3x like brits, because gotta show they to real country.
10:44 asciilifeform still interesting that somebody might have btc but can't muster pesos.
10:45 mircea_popescu except when subs don't work by themselves, of course. that's unfair comparison.
10:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform notrly. lotta people had btc for accident, in the 2010s.
10:45 asciilifeform troo
10:47 asciilifeform country of great tombs, and ??? people, sorta like egypt ( iirc mircea_popescu did egypt, wouldja say similar ? )
10:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1836936 << this might be the key re why mosquito hell in usa 'suburbia' -- the only public land there, is the asphalt. ( who wants spraying , has to specifically pay , and they come and spray out poison that kills errything that moves, frogs, cats, dogs, etc )
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10:52 a111 Logged on 2018-07-21 09:59 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836601 <-- afaik they make aggressive use of k-othrine (possibly others) in public places. /me has been hearing the bug-spray cars consistently pass by during warm seasons. I dun remember being stung by mosquitoes for more than a coupla times in the last few years.
10:53 mircea_popescu hey, third world shithole is third world shithole, what.
10:54 asciilifeform when 'shopping center' or 'condo block' monstrosities built in usa , they also seem to invariably feature what is by all appearances a purpose-built mosquito breeding pond.
10:54 asciilifeform ( nominally 'rainwater runoff' )
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11:16 BingoBoingo AHA, back in old country they did Malathion
11:21 BingoBoingo Like with Uncle Al's medflies
11:35 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/south-african-government-refusing-documents-for-refugees-resettling-elsewhere/ << Qntra - South African Government Refusing Documents For Refugees Resettling Elsewhere
11:37 mircea_popescu lmao. so great that the fucktard pantsuit fought apartheid. 10 years later, they can fight the first white massacre since haiti.
11:37 mircea_popescu awareness engine produces its own inputs.
11:42 BingoBoingo History rhymes
11:43 mircea_popescu their history is fucking copy-paste, what rhymes.
11:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ru does have infamously lulzy immigration laws
11:44 BingoBoingo The rhyming is a side effect of copypasta
11:45 asciilifeform ( for aficionados -- https://archive.is/7zELS << orlol on subj )
11:45 asciilifeform ^ he moved there, and still only counts as 'tourist'
11:53 asciilifeform naturally orlol omits to mention ~why~ ru immigration laws. ( there's a quite straightforward prime mover -- millions of su plankton formerly living in various newly-'independent' goatfuckistans packet suitcases in '90s and all tried to squeeze somehow into moscow and petrograd , quite impossible to fit )
11:53 asciilifeform *packed
~ 25 minutes ~
12:19 * ben_vulpes rattles trinque's cage
12:23 trinque shenanigans.
12:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, that was rank nonsense. VERY fucking stupid choice. 1990 ru was a) perfectly equipped to produce 10-100mn smq of hruscheba living space per month. b) 1990s ru was EXACTLY in the position where the best use for its effort was to do just that. buy the losers 30 years in which to decide if they really wanted petrograd residence.
12:27 mircea_popescu they TOTALLY should have laid track, brought in the cranes, prefab to the skies.
12:27 asciilifeform 1990 yes, 1993 nope.
12:27 asciilifeform was ~zimbabwe.
12:27 mircea_popescu should have done in 1990, no 1993.
12:27 mircea_popescu the way they went, ended up "crisis", usg fuckpuppet.
12:27 asciilifeform 'if i knew where will fall, would've put something soft' (ru proverb)
12:28 mircea_popescu eh gimme a break. everyone fucking knew except for the "factors responsible"
12:28 mircea_popescu fuck them with a sharp stick for being condolezza rice without even being niggers.
12:28 asciilifeform the sharp still is still in, and prolly won't even emerge from mouth for another 100y.
12:28 mircea_popescu i'd say "they should have come to #trilema and asked", but i guess they get a break for pre-trilema age.
12:28 asciilifeform *stick
12:29 mircea_popescu just those 10 trn cubic meters of poured concrete would have created "russian miracle" by itself.
12:29 mircea_popescu observe how well it worked for china.
12:30 asciilifeform su brass was in full nest-feathering miami mode, the d00d who sold the coal that was meant to keep primorye above 0c in winter being prime example
12:31 mircea_popescu idiots.
12:44 asciilifeform to the extent there was a logic, i suspect it was a venezuelan logic, 'washington will pay for titanium and petro, but didn't say it wants 40mil aboriginals with these'
12:45 asciilifeform pretty much whole of su brass 'strategy' from ~1985, was http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-231.0-243.1 .
12:45 mircea_popescu who the fuck asked shittington any fucking thing jesus christ.
12:46 asciilifeform ~none of the managerial caste showed any symptom of desire to keep the boat floating, but plenty of enthusiasm re tearing off choice planks to make rafts.
12:47 mircea_popescu this is EXACTLY like, instead of using programmable machines to talk to every girl on fetlife and enslave some, i'd use them to "start-up". because "san francisco never said it wants a bunch of enslaved women with computers".
12:47 mircea_popescu DUH ?!
12:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform made wrong raft the wrong way. mine fucking floats. theirs floated so fucking well, putin's cut their heads off.
12:48 asciilifeform he's the fella with the biggest raft, even has identifiable pieces of the bridge and periscope still attached, is all.
12:50 mircea_popescu this is altogether unclear.
12:51 asciilifeform plox to expand ?
12:58 asciilifeform and i'll admit, it is unclear still to me where the inhabitants of '100mn sqm of hruscheba' were to be employed , fed with what. su industry imploded, the ex-su space is to this day a land of ruined factories with missing roofs , like the outskirts of timis.
13:00 asciilifeform su circa '90 was , sure, 'healthy but for one thing', like the organs of guillotined man.
13:01 mircea_popescu the reason soviet industry imploded was lack of demand. construction drives all sectors, the building itself would have bought them ~decade to figure shit out.
13:01 mircea_popescu and in a decade of figuring shit out, they may have found something. that's ~their~ fucking job.
13:02 asciilifeform why is 'we'll eat by brushing each other's hair' hilariously stupid when modern usa does it, but somehow could've worked in su ?
13:03 mircea_popescu building is very different from doing laundry.
13:03 mircea_popescu coupled with a general feeling of "cheap life" (ie, all the ukr whores going to moscow instead of milan), it'd have attracted, eg, me.
13:03 mircea_popescu if russia went as described, i'd have likely moved there when i was looking around in early 2000s
13:05 asciilifeform afaik there was no shortage of whores etc. in '95 ( and even some mircea_popescus ) , didn't seem to help
13:06 mircea_popescu all the better ones were out of there.
13:07 asciilifeform not so easy to compete with milan, where, what, 7 months of springtime
13:08 mircea_popescu let's disambiguate whore : http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#footnote_7_74280
13:08 asciilifeform right, correct whores
13:09 mircea_popescu not ~easy~ to compete with milan, but spring over idiots-speaking-idiot-language is not a pushover.
13:10 mircea_popescu the mistake, as usually when people make large scale mistakes, was in incorrectly handling cunt.
13:10 asciilifeform re the other kind ( 'It's a forced thing, which they don't enjoy and at which they're therefore not any good, predictably enough' ) reminds me of shalamov's anecdote where 2 gulag zeks hear a call for carpenters and say 'me, me, i'ma carpenter' despite never having held a saw 'because what, any idjit can cut wood' and promptly falling into lulz
13:10 mircea_popescu mmmyeah.
13:11 mircea_popescu and the above, ftr, is not idle "woulda coulda". i actually did send both people and materiel, and even followed briefly in early 2000s, research expedition.
13:11 * asciilifeform believes
13:11 mircea_popescu set moron bit on new-soviet exactly as on previous set and moved on.
13:13 mircea_popescu all graham's wank re "omg, what does it take to produce silicon valley" is entirely besides the point. what it takes to produce the town is the town-lie, and "take your pick of teenaged cunt, weekly auctions" is much better implementation of that than mission district's own "money for nothing".
13:13 mircea_popescu nobody ~really~ wants money.
13:14 asciilifeform right, can't eat it, or fuck it
13:14 mircea_popescu quite.
13:14 mircea_popescu amusingly, 100% of requisites were on the table. just, blockhead "leadership" assembled pc into wooden block.
13:15 asciilifeform hence 'guillotined man' summary.
13:15 asciilifeform post-'85 or so, there was no brain.
13:15 asciilifeform just biomass.
13:15 mircea_popescu same could be said of whatever tmsr reject. yet THEY DIDNT HAVE TO not have a brain
13:15 mircea_popescu for the exact same money, could have had brain.
13:17 asciilifeform goes back to the fundamental thread, of why 'brain' packed off to miami, milan, etc.
13:17 asciilifeform ( not only brain. arse, also -- iirc gorby nao in germany )
13:23 mircea_popescu heh
13:25 asciilifeform sorta what death is, neh; head, arse, 'go their own way', stomach happily digests self, gut bacteria open up 'independent biznis' while there's fat to eat.
13:26 mircea_popescu i suppose this is true.
13:30 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com soldiers on , pretty good summaries imho.
13:44 mod6 yeah, i like this ^
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14:43 esthlos speaking of which asciilifeform : past two weeks have shown that 4 logs a day is unsustainable. my log reading time is not decreasing as I had hoped it would
14:44 esthlos current plan is to push the reading hard I can manage next few weeks, and get a better sense of the sustainable rate
~ 52 minutes ~
15:37 mircea_popescu 2/day is still pretty good, you'll be caught up before you die. i expect it's actually the natural limit
15:51 BingoBoingo Well you never know, bus factor et al.
15:51 BingoBoingo And there may be a couple days requiring more than a day to digest
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16:40 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836797 << that one just didn't take
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16:40 a111 Logged on 2018-07-20 16:49 mircea_popescu: trinque but i look : http://archive.is/2I97y#selection-12063.1-12079.110
16:41 trinque !!gettrust mircea_popescu elaineo
16:41 deedbot L1: 2, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
16:41 trinque errr
16:41 mircea_popescu um ?
16:41 trinque !!rated mircea_popescu elaineo
16:41 deedbot mircea_popescu rated elaineo 2 at 2017/09/26 04:47:52 << somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
16:41 trinque thing's running daily as expected
16:42 mircea_popescu what the fuck
16:42 trinque I'll still see about narrowing the loop when I find time
16:48 Mocky seems like mircea_popescu tends to !!v in private. everyone sees intent, nobody knows when concretized
16:50 mircea_popescu seems right.
16:53 asciilifeform trinque: would it be difficult to make deedbot announce ratings in-chan when they happen ?
16:53 asciilifeform seems to me that this would solve problem, and without demanding that folx !v etc inchan
16:54 asciilifeform then again technically this'd go against mircea_popescu's 'speak when spoken to' dictum for bots, so oughta ask him 1st
16:55 trinque no, because the thing considers $placeToRespond = $sourceOfCommand
16:55 asciilifeform deedbot already 'speaks out of turn' tho when rss pings
16:55 Mocky sounds like spam vector
16:56 asciilifeform Mocky: not if squelched to l1-raters only
16:56 Mocky anyone can reg a key and rate, neh
16:56 trinque also sounds like "feature creep in response to circumstance that isn't really killing anybody"
16:56 Mocky true
16:57 asciilifeform trinque: imho it is ugly that ratings of and by l1 folx can happen ( or, if buggy , not happen, lol ) with 0 log footprint
16:58 trinque what is this buggy shit?
16:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837053 << ?
16:59 a111 Logged on 2018-07-21 20:40 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836797 << that one just didn't take
17:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform meh, why add all the states.
17:00 mircea_popescu if you care whether x knows y, ask x.
17:01 mircea_popescu and seriously, this "i shall use wot without talking to people" tack is self defeating. the ONLY item wot tells you is whom to ask. nothing more. absolutely nothing more.
17:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what states. simply print copy of success output 'x rated y -10 lamer' etc into chan , neh
17:01 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> Mocky: not if squelched to l1-raters only <
17:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what then is point of deedbot www , if 'oughta ask every time'
17:02 mircea_popescu same point as any other www. nothing.
17:02 mircea_popescu you wouldn't operate on basis of wikipedia. what, you think lordship less serious than medicine ?
17:02 mircea_popescu medicine only kills one idiot at a time.
17:03 asciilifeform pharma biz much moar effective, lay down 1m idjits at a time..
17:04 mircea_popescu me will link here an article he's publishing later, because "I really feel no need to be notified each time my dumb bimbo and some random loser exchange e-grams." is worthy quote.
17:07 asciilifeform i dun necessarily disagree with above, but must point out possibly mislabeled reactor control, either l1-issued rating is a public event, and then really oughta be part of forum record; or otherwise it is strictly 'between us gurlz , and gotta ask erry time'; but right now n00b could not tell that it ain't meant to be entirely the former
17:10 mircea_popescu it's a public event between us gurlz.
17:10 mircea_popescu yet another one of the very many disadvantages for the cattle outside the walls, is that our private lives are public matters for them, that they can't touch. whopsee.
17:11 asciilifeform i still dunget how wot benefits from ambiguity.
17:11 mircea_popescu what ambiguity ?
17:12 asciilifeform 'did mircea_popescu rate elaineo +2 or -10'
17:12 trinque !!rated mircea_popescu elaineo
17:12 deedbot mircea_popescu rated elaineo -10 at 2018/07/21 20:50:49 << http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
17:12 asciilifeform oh hey fixed.
17:12 trinque he's seriously going to keep on with the "buggy" thing eh?
17:12 asciilifeform lol not if fixed
17:13 trinque I did nothing, the man had an OTP spare out of the many. it happens
17:13 asciilifeform what's otp spare
17:14 mircea_popescu i have nfi how ; but out of the 200 or so otps one died en route.
17:14 asciilifeform interesting
17:14 mircea_popescu i also don't know how i picked as example THE ONLY EXAMPLE
17:15 trinque deedbot was also "connected but not" just earlier, ben_vulpes alerted me
17:15 trinque freenode is as shitty as ever, not that I'm grabbing that as a catch-all for weird behavior
17:15 asciilifeform nsa tape swap day.
17:18 trinque in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
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17:27 mircea_popescu anything good ?
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17:44 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/how-do-you-like-being-a-twerking-wigger-slave-on-my-internet-lulzcow-farm/ << Trilema - "How do you like being a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm ?"
17:49 trinque works alright, oughta spend more time with it before recommending. claimed to be what runs efnet.
17:52 * asciilifeform looks at 'ircd-ratbox' , somewhat astonished at the mass, coupla MB of src (moar than, e.g., trb)
17:54 asciilifeform ( for all i know, it could still be the best example available. but, still , nuts )
17:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ( asciilifeform never used fetlife.. ) why is it that the bois are able to read your slutograms ? ( are all posts public ? )
17:58 mircea_popescu this is a "writing", basically a blogpost.
17:59 asciilifeform aa
18:01 mircea_popescu but yes, all of fetlife is public, idle posturing to the contrary notwithstanding.
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22:01 mircea_popescu meanwhile in teh shower, https://78.media.tumblr.com/fbcf0b9f62d07c9ce4617e3257606a20/tumblr_mtznuzQfqi1sbxn7po1_1280.jpg
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