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00:47 mircea_popescu and in other holy shit pantsuitidiocy, the world of wankfic historical rewrites doesn't begin or end with tarantino's "inglorious basterds" imbecility. there's also something called "in tranzit", with the malkovitch moron. about how women can be like, persons and things, dontcha know, even in 1946.
00:48 mircea_popescu terribad ; but to add idiocy to idiocy, they use и instead of N because won't thart be authentic. so you end up with "JOHИ" derpopovich.
00:49 mircea_popescu ima totally call that fucktard joni malkovich from now on.
00:58 asciilifeform dafuq
00:59 mircea_popescu whole new sorta eggog.
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07:51 mircea_popescu aaand in other lulz, "if (int16 (CS::Threading::AtomicOperations::Decrement (&typeAndRefCount) & 0xffff) <= 0)
07:51 mircea_popescu "
08:03 mircea_popescu oh and in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829543 i am pleased to announce s.mg is ripping out googletest infrastructure. good fucking riddance, evil imbeciles.
08:03 a111 Logged on 2018-06-25 21:55 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience.
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09:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what was 'googletest' ?
09:44 mircea_popescu google does all sorts of "useful" things, basically trying to copy the tmsr model. they have a "google fonts" thing half the sites on the internet link (and in the process, give usg details on the zeks whereabouts every so often) ; they have a "code repository" about a quarter the sites on the internet link (this is instrumental in the multi-mb liquid shit webpage era -- 0 cost liquid shit provided by usg's own alphabet. they
09:44 mircea_popescu have their own "programming languages" and "toolkits" for all sorts of crap. therein included, a "testing framework".
09:44 mircea_popescu i think they're making a browser and a compiler also.
09:45 asciilifeform aa
09:45 mircea_popescu in the instant case, it's about 200k loc of nsa strange + of course all sorts of undesirable dependencies (such as... cmake)
09:46 asciilifeform they run on trooly vertically-integrated arse-mouth system, verily; asciilifeform to this day has not succeeded in building any of their 'open' sores of e.g. cr50
09:46 mircea_popescu diana_coman has the whole list if you're curious.
09:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 you know ?
09:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-26 21:20 hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch.
09:46 asciilifeform ( pretty much requires dedicated box where you set up ~their~ crapola, all the way down , to build any of it )
09:47 asciilifeform i'm actually impressed that you folx managed to build any of it on a human compiler
09:47 mircea_popescu it's not "apple". it's google, it's "fiat bonds". what, you're gonna issue fiat bonds, well, "gotta import this here 2mn loc of inane bs / assorted strange". it will include "gotta use ssh/dns/tor/etc" just as it will include "gotta http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830007 code of conduct" and so forth.
09:47 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 00:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah."
09:48 asciilifeform ( it is prolly analogous to asciilifeform's feat, some yrs ago, of building working microshit drivers using gcc )
09:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or, for that matter, to the feat of interfacing with fetlife.
09:49 asciilifeform prolly similar flavour.
09:50 mircea_popescu verily.
09:51 mircea_popescu but since we're doing flavours, here's a bit of flavour : this certain slut's not been allowed to cum for a long time now, i won't get into the details. as i'm running out of unpleasant things to make her to to herself (btw, ever had a girl rub salt in her snatch ?), she got ordered to buy some nice thick candles ("you got candles ?" "you mean like tealights ?") and deepthroat them while dripping wax on her snatch and rubbing
09:51 mircea_popescu it out.
09:51 mircea_popescu guess what happened ?
09:52 asciilifeform lol!
09:53 mircea_popescu you're supposed to guess what happened!
09:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595615 << prolly this
09:54 a111 Logged on 2017-01-03 18:09 asciilifeform: 'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.'
09:54 mircea_popescu nope.
09:54 mircea_popescu ~power went out~
09:54 asciilifeform ahahahaha
09:55 mircea_popescu you get me, misfortunate slut trying to escape the banana republic ? lives in one of the top 10 "majorest urban centers" in that decrepit shithole
09:55 mircea_popescu there she is, rubbing herself by candle light like a god damned monkey
09:55 mircea_popescu if she didn't have me, she'd be actually in the dark.
09:55 mircea_popescu how'd you like that FUCKING FLAVOUR ?
09:56 mircea_popescu the foregoing is strictly and absolutely true, by the way, not a stitch of fabrication (on either the story or the slut involved, for that matter).
09:57 * asciilifeform believes
09:59 asciilifeform wait, decrepit shithole ? this is an outpatient ?!
09:59 mircea_popescu yes
09:59 asciilifeform neato
09:59 mircea_popescu we just recently met. "on" fetlife.
09:59 asciilifeform aaah, these
10:00 mircea_popescu yep.
10:00 mircea_popescu was what we were discussing neh
10:00 mod6 mornin
10:00 asciilifeform ohai mod6
10:00 mircea_popescu how goes teh modlandia ?
10:01 mod6 ah, not too bad! need coffee, just catching up on the log.
10:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, if anyone explains the difference between a) "an strong independent women" (hey, at least she omitted the s plural, inexplicably) ; b) "ssl is good for you and openssh bla bla bla tor bla bla hurr" ; c) http://qntra.net/2018/06/australia-ramps-up-flight-security-theater-with-powder-restrictions/ http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ etc etc, i'
10:06 mircea_popescu m all ears.
10:06 mircea_popescu all i can see from this chair is a bunch of "please care about us" peculiar toolings. exactly the gates gambit of 1980s.
10:08 mircea_popescu "no static linking" is how you say "no actual ownership of anything" in the context of computer programming and "i am heavily into consent" is how you say "no static linking" in the context of sexual practice and so fucking following.
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10:31 mircea_popescu !!up mobile436523
10:31 deedbot mobile436523 voiced for 30 minutes.
10:31 mircea_popescu who might you be, then ?
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10:48 BingoBoingo In other news, the Uruguayos reinvented the hostel and the pension in still more retarded form https://www.elobservador.com.uy/coliving-una-tendencia-vivienda-que-busca-su-lugar-uruguay-n1247718
11:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this is just us import, "roommates"
11:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They've had versions already including living with the parents until the parents croak and the ghetto pensions which appear to be a Latino implementation of the traditional English "bedsit"
11:03 mircea_popescu living with the cattle set to make a resurgence soonish.
11:03 BingoBoingo Just about
11:05 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/popular-centerist-dutch-newspaper-attacked-with-flaming-van/ << Qntra - Popular Centerist Dutch Newspaper Attacked With Flaming Van
11:08 BingoBoingo And the Fiber monopoly just called. Installation scheduled for next week.
11:09 mod6 cool
11:15 asciilifeform !!up PeterL
11:15 deedbot PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
11:16 PeterL hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
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11:17 PeterL I got the files from http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static
11:21 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-captures-35-entrepreneurs-in-coordinated-attack-on-commerce/ << Qntra - US Captures 35 Entrepreneurs In Coordinated Attack On Commerce
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11:33 BingoBoingo !Q later tell Jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HV7Z2/?raw=true
11:33 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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11:56 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i suppose now you can run your own hostel on wot basis!
11:56 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/imaginary-questions-nobody-asked-of-me-an-incomplete-compendium/ << Trilema - Imaginary questions nobody asked of me, an incomplete compendium.
11:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That could be a thing in the future
11:58 mircea_popescu ikr.
12:01 BingoBoingo The biggest problem with the hostel model as I've seen is that the "anyone can book" aspect means at least once a month someone who isn't fit to sleep with the cattle ends up not only staying, but frequently overstaying.
12:04 BingoBoingo In other news the Junkie from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/02/notes-from-observing-a-latino-junkie-on-vacation/ is back. I don't know what the fuck happened to the apartment he "bought" in Punta Del Este. Of all the people from earlier who could have returned before I left it had to be the scumbag trying his very hardest to die.
12:09 mircea_popescu i said wot.
12:15 BingoBoingo Right, the wot fixes that problem. A recommendation only hostel wouldn't get that kind of vermin
12:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830123 >> 'Seizure of nearly 2,000 Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ... Bitcoin mining devices, computer equipment' << waterfall is well-fed this summer
12:25 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 15:21 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-captures-35-entrepreneurs-in-coordinated-attack-on-commerce/ << Qntra - US Captures 35 Entrepreneurs In Coordinated Attack On Commerce
12:26 asciilifeform '...numerous U.S. Postal Service shipping boxes, already addressed to customers around the United States, which boxes contained hairbrushes some of which had already been packed with powder cocaine for distribution' << lol!!
12:26 asciilifeform hairbrushes. by post.
12:26 asciilifeform didjaknow.
12:28 asciilifeform 'At the time of arrest, law enforcement had already seized approximately $437,000 in cryptocurrencies from Powell' << do they have some very speshul hot irons installed at police station nao, or how else 'time of arrest' cokemachine.
12:28 asciilifeform this just gets lulzier, 'Porras and Vue then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of their drug distribution through the HSI undercover agent located in New York' << hey mircea_popescu didja know that btc had to be 'laundered' ?
12:30 mircea_popescu eh, whole stack of nonsense so tall by now, attempts to interact with it on the face indistinguishable from pardoy.
12:30 asciilifeform 'McMonegal then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of his drug distribution through an undercover agent located in New York. After receiving the Bitcoin from McMonegal, the undercover agent mailed parcels of cash to McMonegal in San Luis Obispo and Mariposa' << wat even.
12:30 asciilifeform day at the circus.
12:30 mircea_popescu as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following.
12:33 * asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to refute this hypothesis with data available to him
12:33 mircea_popescu i don't get the hairbrushes twist. is cocaine supposed to look like dandruff or what ?!
12:33 asciilifeform presumably in the handles ?
12:34 asciilifeform iirc i saw a photo of such a cheap trick in a ru prison smuggling discussion
12:35 mircea_popescu http://www.wfmj.com/story/37983171/ypd-finds-suspected-heroin-hidden-in-hairbrush << seems they have a factory of Evidence Hairbrush
12:35 mircea_popescu or somesuch
12:35 asciilifeform three doors down from the one where they make the 'grenade launcher' that is inevitably somehow found in erry busted house
12:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile in peculiar deaths, "Dr. Andreas Niederbichler, 42, put cocaine on his penis before the unnamed 38-year-old woman went down on him. Police say Niederbichler did the same thing with three other women."
12:36 mircea_popescu (spoiler -- she died)
12:36 asciilifeform must be roadcone cock, to hold lethal dose, eh
12:37 mircea_popescu http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/health/2018/04/13/doctors-lover-dies-after-ingesting-cocaine-while-performing-sex-act-report-says/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1523653527588.jpg << looks like he needed it, too.
12:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really, if it's uncut and the woman's unused, she can croak just fine out of a sprinkling.
12:39 asciilifeform interesting
12:39 mircea_popescu penis terrible delivery mechanism, you never know how much gets slobbered down your ballsac etc.
12:39 mircea_popescu there's a reason doctors don't deliver medicine this way, you know ?
12:40 asciilifeform iirc it's the strongest known local anaesthetic.. why wouldja put it on cock
12:40 asciilifeform d00d must've suffered from light trigger
12:42 mircea_popescu i have nfi, ~none of it makes any sense
12:45 asciilifeform in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc.
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12:48 mircea_popescu anyway, the world is full of junkies going "he-he, 1 gram cocaine ld50, i once bla bla bla". yes, obviously, if you do enough it stops doing anything whatsoever eventually. but in civillians...
12:49 asciilifeform aha, hence the typical end of career, where d00d cools heels in a jail for a spell, then, gets out, buys his old dose, 'celebrate'
12:50 asciilifeform ( speaking of which... anybody hear from gabriel_laddel lately ..? )
12:50 mircea_popescu or, "here, everyone does this much", 16 yo gets seizures. "everyone ie a bunch of old crack whores ?! wow!"
12:51 mircea_popescu and, of course, genetics. i wonder why alf's "drunk" booze level is samoan's "dead" booze level.
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do the inca ( err, the classical ones, in south a. ) have analogous enzyme for coca ?
12:52 mircea_popescu i have nfi
12:53 asciilifeform perhaps BingoBoingo knows..
12:54 BingoBoingo I have my doubts that they do. They ones who do it here are mostly bums getting hight off of low content waste products.
12:54 asciilifeform PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 << lemme guess, were you building on crapple ?
12:54 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
13:02 asciilifeform !!up PeterL
13:02 deedbot PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
13:03 PeterL asciilifeform: worse, this is cygwin
13:05 PeterL is the token SWAP_BE64 something that you don't have to define on good systems?
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14:03 phf PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
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14:04 asciilifeform this headache oughta start evaporating once we pin down gcc for all time
14:05 phf well, not until we also start providing our own, portable libc with all the possible portable functionality included. like bswap64 in this case
14:05 asciilifeform phf: musl
14:08 phf that's not the source of the issue though, musl is libc, all the other libc's also support the entirety of libc, the horror crawls through the parts where no libc or posix or whatever exists. for example byteswapping code is not in there
14:09 asciilifeform phf: right, but if errrybody is building off same libcism, proggies will be massaged until builds without eggog
14:10 asciilifeform the nonsense where each builder has own ball of ??? masquerading as a working toolchain/headers/etc set, has gone on long enuff imho
14:10 asciilifeform i abolished it in trb ( rotor ) , ave1 -- for gnat, and really ought to end with the logical conclusion, standard cuntoo musl/headers/gcc.
14:13 phf hmm
14:14 phf well, in that case the problem is already solved. if PeterL were to install cuntoo with musl (or without) vtools will build.
14:15 phf but where this subthread started "_outside of linux/bsd_ code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file and patch it _for your system_
14:18 asciilifeform right, folx who insist on using heathen ??? toolchain, are on their own.
14:18 phf vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
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15:43 mod6 Ladies and Gentlemen of the Republic, if anyone has any updates or changes to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes, please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
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16:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the cocaine mystery resolved by the conclave of girls that know all sexual things (tm) : yes strongest local anesthetic ; the thing called "face fucking" (ye olde irrumatio, as in "paedicabo ego vos et irrumabo") requires a skilled practitioner on the receiving side. if doctor prefers to fuck other people's wives, anesthesia help.s
16:05 asciilifeform ha.
16:06 asciilifeform still seems like 'if yer sexing requires anaesthesia, yer doing sumthing wrong' but what do i know.
16:06 mircea_popescu i hope you're as impressed as me with the nude and rude, "ask a question, get an answer, this isn't fucking about".
16:07 asciilifeform trooly.
16:07 mircea_popescu sex > programming!
16:07 asciilifeform programming already mostly done under anaesthetic, consider how many of the practitioners won't even report for dooty if they're out of $substance
16:08 mircea_popescu word.
16:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830191 << ahahaha this guy.
16:18 a111 Logged on 2018-06-27 18:18 phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
16:20 mircea_popescu in other strange, there's apparently a town of ypsilanti in michigan.
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17:11 asciilifeform phf: if the support is implemented with #ifdef's, then it really gotta go imho
17:11 asciilifeform ifdefs are evil.
17:12 asciilifeform ( a proggy that can't get by without'em, really oughta be split into vtrees per idjit os/iron/etc that were formerly ifdef'd coadpaths )
17:13 asciilifeform because otherwise, folx are in effect signing coad they could not possibly have tested.
17:14 asciilifeform it is for this reason that asciilifeform cut most ( unfortunately not all, there is room for improvement! ) ifdefolade, out of trb.
17:17 asciilifeform ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595513 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359475 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-19#1347881 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#894345 , elsewhere. )
17:17 a111 Logged on 2017-01-03 17:27 asciilifeform: it was literally a week+ of sawing off #includes, nixing #ifdef's, moving blocks of code from 1,001 places and deduplicating, etc.
17:17 a111 Logged on 2016-01-03 03:48 mircea_popescu: <ascii_rear> static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<< that's pretty cvool actually.
17:17 a111 Logged on 2015-12-19 22:28 asciilifeform: 'portable' on my planet means PORTABLE and not a gaggle of #ifdef's
17:17 a111 Logged on 2014-10-24 23:22 asciilifeform: because all that was done in patch 1, is remove ifdef crud
17:19 phf considering that no one but myself have signed vtools i'm not too worried about that part
17:20 asciilifeform the principle of the thing, phf
17:20 asciilifeform i've prolly signed a #ifdef DEC_PDP11 piece of shit at some point. dun mean it ain't a sin.
17:28 phf well, in principles i'm not buying the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted to solve that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have to consult with the signer to discover what the intent was.
17:29 asciilifeform phf: however it ends up defined, signing coad you could not possibly have run, and which -- given how c worx -- could contain literally ~anything~ -- can't possibly be The Right Thing
17:30 mircea_popescu phf this is not avoidable, to figure out ~why~ you put x.key in your seals dir you gotta know, human-know, what x stands for.
17:30 phf well, vpatches without one true genesis implicitly bring in the world
17:31 phf you're not signing that printf on counterparty's machine doesn't actually bind to system("rm ...")
17:31 asciilifeform phf: that's rather exactly what you're signing when you sign a proggy with inactivated #ifdefolade
17:32 asciilifeform unless you actually went and studied what happens in each possible combo of toggles
17:32 asciilifeform on the requisite platforms etc
17:32 mircea_popescu but what ~happens~ not ~what could happen~.
17:32 asciilifeform correct, the 'could' is inaccessible.
17:33 mircea_popescu so what is "happens" ? what ~should have happened~ or what ~did happen~ ?
17:33 asciilifeform but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform
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17:34 mircea_popescu now this much is so.
17:34 mircea_popescu on the other hand of this argument, "hey mp, what time is it ?" "when ? now ? or when you asked me ?"
17:34 asciilifeform lol ntp thread!111
17:34 mircea_popescu it is.
17:35 phf this argument also applies to the entirety of code off the happy path. "but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have <particularly situation> you won't bother reading its <conditional blocks>".
17:36 asciilifeform re ifdef, n00bz are invited to study how the c preprocessor worx, and shudder at e.g. the fact that they can contain ~other~ ifdef's, which in turn can change the meaning of ~any~ string in the proggy
17:36 asciilifeform phf: this is an unfortunate fact of life for state machine, but it is to be ~fought~, not give in to.
17:36 mircea_popescu phf the "considering that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in the sense that of telling sons "considering i'm the only one fucking anything...". dami tempu ca ti pirtusu
17:37 mircea_popescu in the sense of dad telling sons*
17:37 phf mircea_popescu: it was more of a tongue in cheek, since i think that asciilifeform is tediously relentless on this particular point
17:38 asciilifeform the correct way to handle the 'gotta change these 17 things to work on pdp11' problem is: v.
17:39 mircea_popescu the problem though remains, and it goes right into ye olde orthogonality and language discussion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772426 ) : for sigs to mean anything useful they must not mean anything systematical.
17:39 a111 Logged on 2018-01-18 20:11 mircea_popescu: and all this goes right into that older thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want to use".
17:39 mircea_popescu so it'd seem the directly evident solution is also correct : let him pull out all ifdefs and let you maintain them, and if this means divergent-same trees, what of it.
17:40 mircea_popescu coherence is after all expensive, and yet-another statement of "the core of this here republic" would be that we don't value coherence above our own heads.
17:41 asciilifeform witness, for instance, how the linux kernel became a 'katamari' of shit-you-will-never-run-even-if-you-live-for-9000-yrs
17:41 phf asciilifeform: i'm still unconvinced by this line of argument, and not on technical merits. i think there's a point that i can't articulate, about what it is that you're signing exactly. an if-def-less code suffers from the same problem that you're trying to apply to ifdef specifically. i can't sign that printf is not malicious on the target machine.
17:42 asciilifeform phf: you dun see a difference between printf() and wtf-func-that-only-exists-on-pdp() ?
17:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform show it to me ?
17:42 mircea_popescu phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb to not go see doctor.
17:43 asciilifeform when you sign a snipped containing #ifdef pdp ... wtf() #endif , you are , unless explicitly otherwise claimed, signing a thing that you haven't the foggiest notion of running, or even statically digging into
17:43 asciilifeform it's as simple as that
17:43 asciilifeform *snippet
17:43 phf mircea_popescu: but his argument doesn't indicate how pneumonia is a disease. "you will die from pneumonia" taken in isolation doesn't indicate "how soon", etc.
17:43 mircea_popescu tru.
17:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is certain.
17:44 asciilifeform it's a hygienic concern, not a specific promise of imminent death
17:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform however : if you sign code you've not read, you sign code you've not read. if you sign code you've not ~run~, you don't necessarily sign code you've not read.
17:45 asciilifeform this is entirely troo. in the simplest case, consider, comments
17:45 asciilifeform these dun 'run' at all
17:45 asciilifeform yet we sign'em
17:45 mircea_popescu the signature is as to reading, ie, performative, i joe did this. it is not as to the world, ie, declarative, "sticks and stones won't break your bones".
17:46 asciilifeform consider why asciilifeform removed the #ifdefolade ( and consequently, ALL asm inlines ) from mpi.
17:46 mircea_popescu cuz asciilifeform did.
17:46 asciilifeform i am not equipped to test the e.g. ppc routines; and ill-equipped to study'em and certify. and really if somebody wants'em badly, he oughta make use of v and make his branch.
17:47 mircea_popescu hence the multi-tree comment earlier. this seems inescapable.
17:47 asciilifeform it is The Right Thing.
17:47 mircea_popescu and in practice, too. Mocky 's out there trying to run a eulora toolchain on windows i think, peterl trying to vtool on cygwin, etc
17:47 jurov BingoBoingo: ack, will do
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17:48 mircea_popescu my first step would be "omfg take that cygwin out". but as per phf's, since i'm not doing it...
17:48 asciilifeform lulzily, asciilifeform was stuck in a winblowz slave galley some yrs ago, and ported whole buncha 'how does this even run, but it does' to cygwin
17:48 asciilifeform but since forgot , like bad dream.
17:49 phf well, like i said from that perspective there's nothing left to do, cygwin is not supported.
17:49 asciilifeform i have no intention of helping winblowzism to continue.
17:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform permit me to quote : "FindSortedKey<csFixedSizeAllocator<32u, CS::Memory::AllocatorHeap<CS::Memory::Heap*> >::BlockKey> (this=0x9aee6d3c, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at ./include/csutil/array.h:893"
17:49 asciilifeform lol wassat
17:49 diana_coman cs stands for crystalspace asciilifeform
17:49 mircea_popescu i do not presently know.
17:49 mircea_popescu but it works.
17:50 diana_coman one of the many ways client croaks from time to time
17:50 asciilifeform loox like ungodly debugolade ugly
17:50 diana_coman it is, yes
17:50 asciilifeform diana_coman: 'crystalspace' is 3d lib ?
17:50 mircea_popescu it's a substitute boost in this case.
17:50 diana_coman yes, engine and everything else in a can
17:50 mircea_popescu and what it does to memory management is nobody's business
17:51 asciilifeform looks painful
17:51 asciilifeform ( and i recall several diana_coman articles on subj, nao )
17:52 asciilifeform iirc diana_coman was writing a sane replacement for this item, slowly
17:52 mircea_popescu but im starting to suspect it actually regexps over an indexed list.
17:53 mircea_popescu to recover/match the indices.
17:53 mircea_popescu you know, EXACTLY HOW KOCH GPG WORKS ?
17:53 mircea_popescu "let's make keys, and let's give them indices that aren't guarantee to not collide, and then let's regexp match indices in this indexed list by AN EVEN SHORTER PATTERN"
17:54 diana_coman asciilifeform, that is the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel them off one by one
17:55 * asciilifeform deals in the restoration/repair of exactly this type of artifact , in the saeculum, and so can picture
17:57 mircea_popescu it's just shocking to me how ~perdurant~ certain thought patterns are. in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829978 ; because ~how the fuck~ is it the case i'd find the same stupidity implemented by some orc kids in some video game engine wanna-be as usg's own brahmin german put in the post-zimmermann pgp massacre ?
17:57 a111 Logged on 2018-06-26 21:27 mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!"
17:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you remember your essay re 'neet' chix and their ~identical bedrooms ?
17:57 mircea_popescu how do they even know to do this ? not like they're studying each other! fuck, not like they even have the ability to meet, or even speak.
17:57 asciilifeform with the styrofoam boxes, piles of ???, et
17:57 asciilifeform c
17:58 asciilifeform it ain't any sort of surprise that they're all identical; next, what, wonder why all pigsty look ~same
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am starting to feel exactly like golden age antrhopologists cca 1800s going "how the fuck did these primitives who didn't even sail manage to have ~the same myths~ ?"
17:58 asciilifeform lolyes
17:58 diana_coman eh, path of least resistance is same, what
17:58 mircea_popescu nuts.
17:59 mircea_popescu i am having a major perturbation, and have for weeks. this is just...
18:01 mircea_popescu stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the endless wastes of today's "Sakha Republic" and stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the guarani lands in south america all agree, 3+5 = 11.
18:01 mircea_popescu god help me.
18:02 asciilifeform dun differ so much from the , what, half of the planet that thought that they think with their stomach
18:02 mircea_popescu fwiw, asciilifeform 's lizard hitler hypothesis is exact modern restatement of ye olde "civilisation started by aliens" theory, which was precisely because belle epoque thinking folk threw their hands up over this exact stability.
18:03 asciilifeform faraday threw hands over magnetic field lines, also, what of it.
18:04 asciilifeform re the 3+5=11's , for some small # of possible values of 11, it dun strike me as in any way astonishing that folx with the same physiology will suffer same psychopathologies.
18:05 mircea_popescu the reliability is starting to get to me.
18:06 asciilifeform braincase that worx ok for walking around and not crashing into trees, is of limited use for moar complicated/abstract work, whod'vethunkit
18:08 asciilifeform ( same braincase, also observe, seems to be optimized -- in factory model -- for baking justifications/bamboozlements/'cheque is in the mail' nonsense; and when applied to the technical , reliably produces 'surprisingly identical' piles of shit, also not surprising )
18:09 asciilifeform the multilayered pile of ??? produced by 'programmer', is not so diff from schoolboy's pile of layered , tottering excuses for not having done the proverbial homework
18:09 mircea_popescu this much is true, yes. "how come mothers always know what the kids' been up to ?!?!?!?!" "riiight. because kids are so fucking original."
18:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 << oblig
18:09 a111 Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
18:10 trinque commonalities among the preverbal gotta be built into the meat.
18:10 mircea_popescu which takes us straight back to http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/
18:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now that all this is out of the way : would you say specific countermeasures people with known physiology take to avoid known psychopathology are engineering or not ? and if yes, what to yoi object in ifdefs besides the name ?
18:24 mircea_popescu because this is all i can make of it, #ifdef 3+5=11moron, let 3+5=8.
18:25 mircea_popescu to which alf answers "sorry, i only fuck 19yos, i can't tell you why the tits sag" and i go "sure you do, but other people not as fortunate."
18:38 asciilifeform 'specific countermeasures' are imho rather wrongheaded approach. step1 is to correctly sort the shaved apes into the type that tries ( with variable success ) to climb ~down~ from trees, and the type which (ditto) ~back up~, and proceed from there
18:39 mircea_popescu so where do you put the killer micro ?
18:40 asciilifeform recall thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167
18:40 a111 Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
18:40 asciilifeform the 2 apes require very diff approaches. for one, it is possible to think of something like engineering. for other -- train, the way one trains circus seals.
18:40 mircea_popescu no argument. but what is the ibm xt compatible, climbing down or back up ?
18:40 asciilifeform why settle for small change of ibm xt, can ask re, e.g., nuke.
18:41 mircea_popescu would you prefer i called it x86 ?
18:41 asciilifeform it's perhaps the most illustrative argument, of folx who oughta know better, issuing the others with ladder with which to climb back into proverbial tree.
18:41 mircea_popescu that's the problem here. "1. we have these machines ; 2. we know they're broken ; 3. alf objects to the curative process either because he doesn't like its name or because that which cureth could make ill."
18:42 asciilifeform i dun object to junkyard wars -- if and where we must. but there is even there a 'up tree' and 'down tree' approach.
18:42 mircea_popescu but yes the reason ifdefs exist is because machines are broken.
18:43 asciilifeform not quite :
18:43 mircea_popescu ifdefs don't flow from prime principles, they're no if.
18:43 asciilifeform they exist because machines were broken ~and~ author lacked v.
18:43 mircea_popescu or rather, because people would prefer a single trunk for all machines, diversely broken, than a trunk for each kind of breakage.
18:43 asciilifeform so author ended up producing a program that is really 27 disjoint proggies masquerading as 1.
18:43 asciilifeform this is intellectually dirty.
18:44 mircea_popescu i dunno i'd go so far as that, but it definitely isn't great engineering.
18:44 asciilifeform hygiene was a quite different affair before discovery of soaps, and likewise programming -- without v
18:45 mircea_popescu having 27 independent restatements of the ~same thing is not intellectually dirty ?
18:45 asciilifeform they ain't same thing, tho
18:46 asciilifeform granted if they differ in pointless/trivial ways, e.g. targeting extinct iron, that's on the conscience of the folx continuing to elongate (supposing any exist) those branches.
18:46 mircea_popescu yet http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800395
18:46 a111 Logged on 2018-04-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the 2nd fold of the error : the NOTION of translation is pernicious, and stuff like the protestant lulz of "church of self-esteem" or "we choose to emphasize <bla>" are not unbound errors.
18:47 asciilifeform what asciilifeform would like, is at the very least to stop elongating the dead branches himself. and to stop encouraging others. for this, it is necessary to actually cut the variants into branches.
18:47 mircea_popescu seems the ifdef approach to the problem is more in the vein of the kaballah+commentary (ie, the right thing) than in the vein of the xtian "translated scripture" + "megachurch", ie, idiocy.
18:48 asciilifeform the kabbalist is intellectually ahead of the ifdefist -- he reads what he comments/copies.
18:48 asciilifeform i cut winblowz #ifdefolade out of trb because i did not read it and don't intend to.
18:49 asciilifeform if microshit ends up back from the dead and intellectually dominating the darkfyootoor , it can continue the old branch, and old dead asciilifeform won't be able to do a thing about it
18:49 asciilifeform and this is the way it is.
18:49 mircea_popescu this is traditionally the view of rabbis re bulk of commentary mass.
18:51 asciilifeform i am unequipped to comment in detail on the rabbis and their planet.
18:51 mircea_popescu ifdef amirite.
18:51 asciilifeform i looked in my copy of talmud and did not find ifdefs, lol
18:51 asciilifeform but possibly i dunno where to look
18:52 mircea_popescu i'm saying you're ifdefing it away.
18:52 mircea_popescu to bring this flock back to the manger : what you choose to cut out to stay afloat in the postmodern deluge of intellectual objects is your choice!
18:52 asciilifeform it is my understanding that they tossed'em 1500 or so yrs back.
18:52 mircea_popescu nevertheless, not all these choices can actually be made into meaning.
18:53 asciilifeform my orig point -- asciilifeform won't be in the future signing coad that he is not equipped to run / study in detail.
18:53 mircea_popescu but i suspect you will rue this day if you were to actually get your way, and at some point in 2118 all the work available consists of "try and write this thing from tree y for tree z, we don't currently know why it's a broken polymorphism to the x tree"
18:53 asciilifeform and this specifically includes, tho not limited to , #ifdef pdp11 ...
18:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dunno if i will live to see the end of nonstandard iron / os / junkyard wars. but would like to, at any rate.
18:54 mircea_popescu no, this is simply "27 different proggies, no longet try to masquerade as 1"
18:54 asciilifeform and whatever is in my hands that can contribute to the extermination of the pointless babel, i'ma push.
18:55 mircea_popescu the dispute is as to whether contributing.
18:56 asciilifeform if folx continue to operate 27 pointlessly incompatible platforms, and burn their lives fiddling with otherwise healthy coad to make it go on'em, what can i say, the gods have cursed'em and it is not in my power to uncurse
18:56 mircea_popescu seems the likely course, neh ?
18:56 asciilifeform likely if no effort at all is made to debabelize.
18:56 mircea_popescu and if effort is made, no more specificity of diddling, cr51 for them all ?
18:56 asciilifeform observe that ffa runs , per PeterL, on winblowz, despite asciilifeform having made 0 effort in this direction
18:57 asciilifeform i deliberately wrote portable proggy. not even married, afaik, to 8bit byte.
18:57 mircea_popescu well yes, the protabilityhell starts with printf, which is why phf was using that as example.
18:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the extant babel does not contribute to nonspecificity-of-diddling. if anything, quite the opposite.
18:58 mircea_popescu how do you reason ?
18:58 asciilifeform 1 well-understood system 'to rule'em all', fits in head and demonstrably bug-free , and babel -- ends.
18:58 mircea_popescu ye olde dos fit this, yes ? ye olde lispm, perhaps, also ?
18:58 asciilifeform not really, no
18:59 asciilifeform ( dos dun really belong in a discussion of systems, it is more or less 'naked x86 iron, write own os per proggy' )
18:59 asciilifeform ye olde lispm was pile of undergrad beer and pizza hacks, from a software quality pov.
19:00 asciilifeform if it had been written to a standard of 'i throw a dart, and you , programonkey, WILL justify the existence of this line, or die' the coadbase would weigh 1MB .
19:00 asciilifeform and we'd still be able to run it.
19:00 mircea_popescu i dunno...
19:01 mircea_popescu in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ?
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19:01 asciilifeform hmm
19:02 asciilifeform variously repeated item, it is in one of the programming-related trilemas at the very least
19:02 mircea_popescu perhaps a continuation of ballas' point re male nurses, but fucked i be if i can find it again.
19:02 asciilifeform grep 'greenspun', prolly will find.
19:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-24#-301505
19:02 a111 Logged on 2012-08-24 01:31 EmanuelDeOrtego_: I like that there are so many women involved with Bitcoin.
19:05 asciilifeform see also naggum's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615386 item
19:05 a111 Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
19:06 mircea_popescu you think these related ?
19:06 asciilifeform he was discussion the deskilling. which, yes, related.
19:06 asciilifeform deskilling classically precedes feminization of a profession
19:07 mircea_popescu i wonder what the link is.
19:07 mircea_popescu ironically (at least from my experience), girls significantly more dedicated and skillable than boys.
19:07 asciilifeform old man tailor disappears, replaced with '9000' biorobot seamstresses working 'singers' in pre-drawn pattern, etc
19:07 mircea_popescu this much is rather factual.
19:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is unfortunate that same word 'skill' is used to describe both items
19:08 asciilifeform it is a dull knife imho.
19:08 mircea_popescu which items ?
19:08 asciilifeform the tailor's 'skill' and the biorobot's.
19:09 mircea_popescu i wasn't saying this at all.
19:09 mircea_popescu no, genuinely, it's both easier and faster to teach a girl ~anything.
19:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the episode with your burned out water pump ?
19:09 asciilifeform and the wastebaskets
19:09 mircea_popescu yes ?
19:09 asciilifeform i can only presume that the subj gurl was as well-taught as any mircea_popescu patient
19:10 asciilifeform yet , iirc in mircea_popescu's words, 'she broke down in storm of snot' when faced with minor unexpected boojum.
19:10 mircea_popescu not at all. what, i don't give physics crash courses upon admission.
19:10 asciilifeform it ain't about deep physics , no.
19:11 asciilifeform but about ability to deal with the unexpected, the nonstandard. this i see as measure of 'capital S' skill.
19:11 mircea_popescu yes, but it ain't about "minor unexpected" either. it's that i was there, it has everything to do with me and how much she wants to please/impress/etc.
19:11 asciilifeform and afaik is not trainable.
19:11 mircea_popescu i don't see this.
19:12 asciilifeform granted asciilifeform has 1 pet, and not 9000. but regularly witnesses the water pump scenario.
19:12 asciilifeform arbitrarily deeply trainable in specifics, but they tend to collapse under 'this system i did not even know existed, has broken down', is my impression.
19:12 mircea_popescu how do you discern if you're measuring the fermion's flavour rather than the tool's flavour ?
19:13 mircea_popescu there's no way known to measure individual particles, they use particle interaction, yes ?
19:13 asciilifeform i am not equipped to discern. all i got, is what's visible from my perch thus far.
19:13 mircea_popescu if you don't watch at least two of them interact, then what can you say.
19:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wouldja care to share how they reacted, in 2+ mass, to the water outage ?
19:14 mircea_popescu well in this case we all laughed.
19:14 asciilifeform all broke down in snot ? or did a leader arise among'em, and direct repairs, give marching orders to the rest
19:14 mircea_popescu well... consider the recently discussed case of amphibian landing.
19:15 mircea_popescu girl drove ~through~ rather than stopping and choking my engine.
19:15 * asciilifeform considers
19:15 mircea_popescu this counts in your model ?
19:15 mircea_popescu "utterly fucking broken down system of major complexity -- i have identified correct way out and the pedal goes down"
19:15 asciilifeform but mircea_popescu fredericus-drilled his driver chix to never stop without order, neh
19:15 mircea_popescu ~50ms or so.
19:15 mircea_popescu neh.
19:15 mircea_popescu i never taught anyone how to drive, i don't even drive myself.
19:16 asciilifeform prolly bad example, nao that i think of it, pretty much any multidecade driver, incl. asciilifeform , would've handled the eggog correctly, in 50ms ( allowing for length of his legs )
19:17 mircea_popescu but i thought the argument was as to difference, rather than "any driver"
19:17 mircea_popescu also, she's a) too young to have multi decade driven and b) only recently allowed to drive at all anyway. so...
19:18 asciilifeform could then be proverbial 'stopped clock shows right time', then. i've nfi.
19:18 mircea_popescu could be that women are actually better drivers, if not fucked in the head by idiot mother/bf combo.
19:18 asciilifeform could be. if only because shorter legs, even.
19:19 mircea_popescu she's taller than you.
19:19 asciilifeform we were speaking of 'women' , not 'she', neh
19:19 mircea_popescu well ok, but i like 'em tall.
19:19 asciilifeform ( for all i knew , the 'she' was also a trained all-terrain racer , etc )
19:19 mircea_popescu i am seriously considering buying her a racer if i ever europe again.
19:19 asciilifeform vrooom
19:20 * trinque recently hired sister in an "answer the phone, handle all shitshows" role. job's literally "fill all gaps", hits things she never trained for all day.
19:20 asciilifeform lucky fella, trinque , to have such relatives
19:21 asciilifeform upstack -- for whatever reason, the lowell mills and straight to modern chinesium plants, use chix, they seem more content to perform repeated program all day, erry day.
19:21 trinque only two data points, but she blows the male tech out of the damned water.
19:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know there's a quote for this, and it goes like "Just because females could endure anything does not mean they should is my view I suppose"
19:22 mircea_popescu she has a point.
19:22 asciilifeform trinque: typical 'male tech' today is not even fit to empty sewage tanks reliably, verily
19:22 asciilifeform in su factories also was a thing, 'we hire females because they don't bender'
19:25 asciilifeform folx with 'frustration threshold' set to 9000, and who go on 0 benders, ~can~ become , in principle, mircea_popescu's driver, or mega-ww2 nurse who handles 9000 wounded per hr when suddenly roused at 4 in the morning, or some other astonishing and meritorious thing. but the moar typically observed pattern, afaik, is the biorobot.
19:26 asciilifeform sorta the problem with the chinese, per the old thread, in the larger picture.
19:26 BingoBoingo ty jurov
19:26 trinque in the case of my sister, sails like a champ, just doesn't produce own wind. this seems entirely biologically appropriate for her.
19:27 asciilifeform trinque: that's the whole of asciilifeform's arg, aha
19:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There's also the Rioplatense case of the bunnies that just... don't want to... Not if it doesn't involve cardboard sculpture
19:30 asciilifeform re drivers and their long legs : su mil establishment did various tests, and reportedly concluded that chix would make ideal pilots -- take moar g's, typically better reaction, can work under outrageous o2 deprivation, etc. but they did not go so far as to start recruiting'em en masse. the americans, however... did. many great feats of pilotage nao ?
19:30 asciilifeform so far all i know is re the tailhook thread.
19:31 mircea_popescu the more typically observed pattern in humans, actually, is the skeleton.
19:31 asciilifeform evidently there is moar to that biznis than physiological punishment.
19:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was speaking of the living, lol
19:31 mircea_popescu yes well. this is a tenuous distinction.
19:32 mircea_popescu anwyay, i am not responsible for moronia recruiting the wrong chicks.
19:32 mircea_popescu i'm happy with my set, enough so as to not hire male drivers.
19:32 asciilifeform what can they do, the Right Chix are evidently occupied, as mircea_popescu's drivers...
19:32 mircea_popescu i always suspected us airforce preceded me.
19:36 asciilifeform upstack -- the 'deskilling' process is concerned specifically with removal of 'heroes' , e.g. mircea_popescu's hand-picked acrobats, and their replacement with grey biomass.
19:37 asciilifeform for the demented purposes of 'mass konsoomer crud', it made +ev sense.
19:37 asciilifeform and so in erry case there was attempt to replace. the tailor, with 'singer' chix, the greybeard -- with google monkeys; the whole lot.
19:38 mircea_popescu yet gorgo.
19:38 asciilifeform where today is gorgo, lol
19:38 mircea_popescu taste all the cunts ; when you find the salty one you got her.
19:41 asciilifeform generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
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19:42 asciilifeform ( recall mircea_popescu's faberge egg essay . )
19:43 asciilifeform if you like faberge egg, yer outta luck, but on other hand if you like plastic eggs , with google firmware..
19:46 BingoBoingo In other trivia Anthony Kennedy is giving up. Make SCOTUS, Great Again!
19:46 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
19:55 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/the-cabinet-of-doctor-caligari/ << Trilema - The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari
~ 24 minutes ~
20:20 BingoBoingo In other news from back home "Swansea business owner said he had 'an atomic bomb and a knife' during arrest, police say" >> https://archive.is/eWEoi
20:29 mircea_popescu oh btw, anyone had cashew ~fruit~ preserve ?
20:29 mircea_popescu it's actually pretty good.
20:33 BingoBoingo I need to look again. I tried to find it in December, but everyone I meet here seems to only be aware of the nuts. I suspect the cashew has a strong nut/fruit divide
20:38 BingoBoingo But we do have sweet blood sausage here
20:40 mircea_popescu nb
20:42 BingoBoingo They do it with orange and pine nuts. The rare sweet food here without dulce de leche
20:47 BingoBoingo Further that Maduro fellow needs to register a key here. I have yet to have a bad arepa.
20:48 mircea_popescu maybe pizarro gives you a week off, you can venezuela!
20:51 BingoBoingo Maybe for the second year's week off. I have a whole list of shit in range of the nice buses I've been hearing about for months and have yet to see.
20:52 mircea_popescu word.
20:56 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1828999 << For the record asciilifeform has met the Venezolana currently in Venezuela who does the Spanish lessons.
20:56 a111 Logged on 2018-06-23 01:17 mircea_popescu: haha. they all think this before they meet him :D
20:56 mircea_popescu iirc he said so
20:59 BingoBoingo Well, he did take the picture.
21:00 mircea_popescu o darn, wasn't he gonnamake a nice travelogue post ? hm ? HM ?
21:00 BingoBoingo iirc ben_vulpes tambien
21:02 * BingoBoingo has admits own fault in having more things to blog waiting on burner for the day he can eat, sleep, shit, and irc behind the same lock
21:03 mircea_popescu lol. i can see it.
21:06 BingoBoingo Likewise furing the rest of Uruguay's games, I have agreed to sit in the exact same chair I occupied the previous matches.
21:13 * BingoBoingo also ought to do a review of the camera I arrived with
21:20 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/aVT4o For the curious. Short story: Factory defaults are Potato, With practice and RTFM does distance well when you turn down the megapixels to 5, at clost distances (1 meter or less) you are completely at the mercy of light
21:20 BingoBoingo And linked the wrong camera
21:23 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/6TJPf << This is it, the other panasonic 25
~ 36 minutes ~
22:00 asciilifeform meanwhile, in rotaku ( yes, approx halfway mark.. past the ru ) wtflulz, https://youtu.be/4qyZZ5BrJfM
22:01 asciilifeform with last 3rd in ukr, even.
~ 39 minutes ~
22:41 phf asciilifeform: since you're a fan of these kind of homepages, here's one i found today http://www.quadibloc.com
~ 27 minutes ~
23:08 asciilifeform lol, compleet with crackpot instruction set arch !
23:09 asciilifeform notbad find, phf
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