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04:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DCE34604792B60B9F04078F9C6740D6D40919ABBD98371729DC9C886F642600 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1463...5277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '117.103.91.227 (ssh-rsa key from 117.103.91.227 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smtp.cmi.edu. MH)
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06:09 ave1 I've been working on getting a arm 64bit cross compiler + a cross compiled arm 64bit compiler, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-28#1806178
06:09 a111 Logged on 2018-04-28 16:50 asciilifeform: ^ ave1 has the closest thing to a turnkey process afaik. ( still requires finding a working gnat for ~some~ machine , somewhere, that already runs )
06:10 ave1 Unfortunately, It has taken weeks (a clean build takes a couple of hours + multiple small bugs had to be solved)
06:10 ave1 Currently I'm building the final version (I hope, I was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago)
06:11 ave1 When done + test that the cross compiled gcc actually works on an arm system I will publish.
06:14 ave1 I found out that GNAT 2016 has some support for arm 64bit, but for android and ios and not for linux. So I had to do some small patching (I also looked at the 2017 version and I still could not find plain linux support in the adacore gnat)
06:17 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DCE34604792B60B9F04078F9C6740D6D40919ABBD98371729DC9C886F642600 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1424...2497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '117.103.91.227 (ssh-rsa key from 117.103.91.227 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smtp.cmi.edu. MH)
06:26 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5407C921960C226B72AD1A87AACD2DF4AD54112E25349CF9BC9269DB68BC5455 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1394...1269 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.137.98.146 (ssh-rsa key from 188.137.98.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-188-137-98-146.leon.com.pl. PL)
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06:44 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65C32EBD426FD78D653C4C9440E3A55EEAE2217F0927439B58004887BE33AA33 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...0313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.176.203 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.176.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (strenge.itb-web.de. DE)
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07:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8E81CF2FB7DFD3D4056C81E7E74104EE2B0918158FDB623CE02EC30621B31A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1571...8017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.57 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10441.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
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07:58 diana_coman that sounds good ave1, looking forward to reading the post on it, when ready
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09:39 esthlos asciilifeform diana_coman: are the secure memory portions of MPI useful/worth their weight?
09:50 asciilifeform esthlos: imho absolutely not; i haven't built a linix box with swapping to disk enabled, in decade+ ( 'secure alloc' simply means 'marked unswappable' )
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09:50 asciilifeform *linuxbox
09:52 asciilifeform i suspect that swapping only even exists as a possibility in current day os because of wreckers.
09:53 esthlos cool, I may make a patch which rips it out.
09:53 asciilifeform esthlos: it was gonna, then barfed and abandoned mpi 4evah
09:54 asciilifeform ( i have no intention of ever building anything whatsoever on it , myself )
09:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-28#1806202 << how wouldja change the markup? i thought it was pretty clear, on http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors page, that you click the modcount to get the page of that factor , with detail
09:55 a111 Logged on 2018-04-28 19:17 mircea_popescu: you need better markup, as it is is confusing. is 3 or 4294967297 the factor shared by 2 or more moduli and which are htey.
09:57 asciilifeform ( they are sorted by # of mods that contain said factor, i.e. the middle column, the clickable one )
09:58 diana_coman esthlos, no such thing as secure memory really
09:58 asciilifeform at some point in near future i'ma add annotations per factor (e.g. 'debian', 'mikrotik', etc )
09:59 asciilifeform diana_coman: it was a specific chumpatronic term used by koch et al
10:00 diana_coman asciilifeform, aha; and not of much use really
10:00 asciilifeform 0 use
10:00 diana_coman esthlos, eucrypt does not use this "secure" ; as per http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/#selection-153.194-153.864
10:01 asciilifeform ( don't build boxes with swap! it is riotously stupid thing to do, full stop )
10:08 esthlos so let's say I remove the "secure" bits of MPI code for the sake of honesty. is this a needless complication of the eucrypt vpatch tree?
10:10 asciilifeform how can removal of crud be 'complication' ?!
10:12 diana_coman esthlos, well, it ultimately depends on your vpatch (what it does *exactly*), neh? chopping off some unused and moreover useless parts is valuable but a. it needs to be done making sure that nothing breaks b. mpi is and will still be a pile of shit
10:12 diana_coman (we don't have anything else to use so use the pile of shit, yes)
10:15 esthlos if I make decrudification a patch on the genesis, probably requires no changes to eucrypt vpatch tree. but if it's a new genesis, tree breaks, no?
10:16 diana_coman hm, why new genesis, I don't follow?
10:18 esthlos because "crud never existed" might be simpler than "here is crud, now let's remove it"
10:18 asciilifeform wtf, why would you put it on genesis, rather than diana_coman's proggy
10:18 diana_coman basically if you change something on which existing patches depend then it breaks, yes; why not put it on existing fully-pressed tree though?
10:18 asciilifeform esthlos: yer missing, i suspect , whole point of v
10:18 esthlos asciilifeform: very possible
10:19 diana_coman esthlos, there is no such thing as "crud never existed" ; we are not re-writing history here wtf
10:19 diana_coman it existed and it costs (A LOT) and we are pointedly and in-your-eyes-as-visible-as-possible nuking it whenever we can
10:22 asciilifeform esthlos: when folx do as you described, it is called 'regrind' and is very labour-intensive, and is never done without a substantial reason
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10:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, you added a new link (on stats page). if someone clicks on that link, he is regaled with a list of unlabeled numbers.
10:38 mircea_popescu esthlos, you wouldn't make it a patch on genesis unless you were trying to signal your disdain for diana_coman 's work so far.
10:41 mircea_popescu and while "crud never existed" may be tempting from the hallucination-as-font-of-reality pantsuit perspective, it is nevertheless not actually the case.
10:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the column headers do not show in yer browser ?
10:44 asciilifeform ( it should read 'factor / # M / when found ' )
10:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i see exactly as archive sees it : https://archive.is/rMv67
10:46 asciilifeform this is the correct picture. i'ma add a legend on top of the tbl.
10:46 asciilifeform ( 'factor' pgs also, i suspect, could use one )
10:47 mircea_popescu the fact that colors alternate by2's which is not necessarily appropriate also adds to the confusion.
10:48 esthlos hmm, I did not realize that patching the genesis directly would have those effects on diana_coman 's work
10:48 asciilifeform hmm yea this doesn't fit the style of the other pgs, i'ma make it 1 colour
10:48 asciilifeform esthlos: do you understand that v, deliberately and as a fundamental design choice, has no merging ?
10:49 mircea_popescu esthlos, it's very centrally how the v mechanism is intended to / works : you get to opt which patch trees to continue, much like in the case of bitcoin.
10:49 esthlos asciilifeform: this is where, I think, I failed
10:49 asciilifeform esthlos: picture if you substituted a different block for block#2 of bitcoin.
10:50 asciilifeform ( yes, you can 're live history' from 2009, but will have to do it... alone )
10:50 mircea_popescu don't be too harsh on self ; item is deliberately made in such a way that not-quite-coincidentally is SO VERY CONTRARY to "common wisdom", unwrapping all the corners into head takes a while.
10:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, LARPthereum! from mit cgi labs!
10:51 esthlos haha
10:51 asciilifeform verily
10:51 mircea_popescu you are not alone, for a big tent's there with you, and all the dumb chicks nobody wants and and aaaaand.
10:51 asciilifeform naa they're each in own puptent
10:51 mircea_popescu shhh.
10:51 mircea_popescu terroristms.
10:53 esthlos aha, so if I want to patch "as close to genesis as possible" the mpi lib, AND I want this patch to be used in diana_coman 's proggy, the ONLY choice is to patch current leaf of diana_coman 's proggy
10:53 asciilifeform esthlos: correct
10:54 esthlos ok ok, one cockroach killed?
10:54 asciilifeform esthlos: i recommend to take vtron and experiment with it until you grasp how it works, it will click in your head quickly
10:55 mircea_popescu iirc he even wrote a lisp one.
10:55 asciilifeform then i admit i'm a bit surprised
10:55 esthlos I did, but did not mess with it enough, apparently
10:56 asciilifeform ( it is apparently possible to write a vtron, and not know what happens when you orphan a branch.. )
10:56 mircea_popescu esthlos, did you see the recent discussion re polardbeard's sad failure to participate ?
10:57 esthlos no, was this in past few days? I'm behind
10:58 mircea_popescu yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
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10:58 mircea_popescu if instead you fall into the other mental pit of pantsuit, where you go off by self for lengthy interval and come back with an intricately complex crystal of perfect beauty, odds are it'll get ignored for lack of time to appreciate it.
11:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, hard to pick the relevant transforms from the box, what can i say. if this weren't the case "computer security" would be more akin hygiene.
11:00 mircea_popescu ie, widely practiced successfuly.
11:01 * asciilifeform was recently reading a very spiffy history of vectorism, from w.r.hamilton up, and noticed that ~same 2 problems befell 19th c maths folx
11:01 asciilifeform lotta orphaned chains. grassman's, for instance,
11:01 asciilifeform .
11:02 mircea_popescu indeed.
11:03 mircea_popescu historically, it was the ~only incentive to publish
11:03 mircea_popescu contrary to the counterfactual reality us shyster constructed, "copyrights" bs.
11:03 * asciilifeform bbl, meat
11:06 esthlos mircea_popescu: I will watch for that. Last thing I want to do is to waste anyone's time
11:07 esthlos (including my own)
11:08 mircea_popescu especially. minigame is working on adding some fg code to eucrypt as it is, she'll prolly include your stuff if she can, so there you go. make it small, make it readable, start with one thing at a time and so on.
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11:41 zx2c4 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-23#1804912 O_o
11:41 a111 Logged on 2018-04-23 22:05 mircea_popescu: !!key zx2c4
11:42 zx2c4 ckang: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800642
11:42 a111 Logged on 2018-04-16 22:56 ckang: oh just reading, wireguard guy got upset?
11:42 zx2c4 oh, no, not at all -- just popped out fora few days
11:42 zx2c4 and then got super busy
11:44 mircea_popescu cheers.
11:45 mircea_popescu i'll grant it's a little difficult to guess what's going on from far away. if you don't say anything people are going to eventually assume something random.
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12:05 mod6 mornin'
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12:44 ben_vulpes https://text.npr.org/s.php?sid=606716569 "A lack of a trauma center was a severe indication of the institutional racism that existed on the South Side" and clearly not an indicator of the penury of the locals
12:50 mircea_popescu well, in their alt-universe poverty is also someone else's fault.
12:50 mircea_popescu nobody is poor because they're fucking stupid and generally worthless ; they're poor because i'm mean or some dumb shit like that.
12:55 ben_vulpes i'm curious who's going to pay the 48MM
12:57 mircea_popescu china via the fed credit.
12:57 mircea_popescu us has succeded in its aspiration to be argentina. it exists as a pretend-country on the basis of foreign capital markets.
12:58 mircea_popescu the whole "copyright" bs is very much equivalent to "los malvinas son argentinas", and other commercial claims they do not have.
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13:16 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/german-antisemitism-kaiser-unsurprised-by-jewish-desire-for-new-exodus/ << Qntra - German "Antisemitism" Kaiser Unsurprised By Jewish Desire For New Exodus
13:17 BingoBoingo If only there were still a prediction market that could be used for evaluating the proposition "Schengen Exit Visas When?"
13:20 BingoBoingo In other news the hostel this weekend is full. The staff helpfully let me know in advance so I could prepare. Given it is Autumn and the weather this weekend is biased towards torrential downpours I wondered "Who would be vacationing here at a time like this?"
13:21 BingoBoingo Turns out the answer is a bunch of Irish potato nigger "English Teachers" doing a visa run from Argentina.
13:21 mircea_popescu heh
13:22 mircea_popescu iirc i overstayed my visa by about two years.
13:25 BingoBoingo Their answer to that point is that "the company" cares. They aren't very clear on that leading me to suspect they are human trafficking chattel brought in on a sort of year long vacation package which gives them an allowance while "the company" milks the money from the "teaching" on at least a couple sides.
13:31 mircea_popescu seems the likely arrangement.
13:33 BingoBoingo Anyways, turns out Irish girls are getting fat like estadounidense girls circa 2010
13:38 mircea_popescu and in other "holy shit these people", flour bag comes with apple pie recipe. which is just as well cuz gals just baked one. the flour bag recipe calls for... 3-4 apples, HALF A POUNT OF BUTTER and two.5 cups flour.
13:38 mircea_popescu back at reality ranch, pie dough out of a pound of butter takes like 2kgs of flour, and is enough to feed a whole regiment two days.
13:38 BingoBoingo But how many feet!
13:41 mircea_popescu and in further ai lulz, https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisI2p_1xUR_19DlHwJnT0L_1Jcz3NLVMmQtJ3lUFkMeRIXF3BzZK-KmjBXXjqw9oxlUP7etH2IhGTaQtS-AodWDbe4itMmHc6wRfikU3LJTW5sVQ0wk-lpnU7-Wx_1PD0JcnbQHooBzm6ANzy4AY_1JU6VqnUq02l8y3or5oBZforK340aqIZlqsyA-rxmsxWrpJv4qWD34BoZYWirTzhpj_15k9qSQm1HqCxIk8GfgEYPsU3FMG0uQHcc3H-A4iGjDa_1K3uBF4tj7oTixZFoa3IlJBWNjxhU5KK4IQhmb1voc--YI1JJFGNxc-Kl4_1TQJlqcCkapnP11KseH91QVl9saKKswa1Tvjg&btnG
13:41 mircea_popescu =Search%20by%20image
13:41 mircea_popescu very fucking totally "girl", ty wikipedia, merriam-webster and indistinct jumble of entirely unrelated messes. AI PREVAILS!
13:42 mircea_popescu "heart opening" fucking yoga jesus f christ. essentially the future function of google will be as pantsuit-rappropiation-engine, "here's spurious associations of our irrelevant crap to actually interesting things you may understandably be interested about".
13:43 mircea_popescu sort-of like how soviet library would offer you "lenin's writings on tensors" if you were looking for anything done by imperialist-burgeois authors in the field.
13:44 mircea_popescu meanwhile the pantsuit notion of "girl" is relevant in this world, or attaches to my chattels, exactly in the sense and to the degree cate blanchett is relevant to elizabeth the 1st.
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~would have~ offered 'lenin's writings on tensors', if stalin had not exterminated every likely perpetrator of this ( after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902 incident )
13:48 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
13:48 mircea_popescu !!rate mocky 1 kyla glovendangle. no, seriously.
13:48 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aBxoh/?raw=true
13:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, would have.
13:49 asciilifeform ( lulzily/apropos , asciilifeform was last night in u.of.md. library, and there was poster ~proudly~ advertising their ongoing 'transformation from storage space for books into activity space for students' -- approx exact words )
13:49 asciilifeform accompanied by 'and here is what we instead spent on ONLINE JOURNALS!'
14:02 mircea_popescu ncie huh
14:02 mircea_popescu everything in the zone gotta be a dorm.
14:03 asciilifeform in other quasi-noose, heathen node walker ( https://archive.li/FHKym today's snapshot ) reports 11 advertised trb nodez, with 9 of'em at tip-top of currentchain . iirc of the 9, 2 are actually 1 BingoBoingo box. still seems like 'aggression' worx pretty well.
14:03 mircea_popescu word.
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14:43 mod6 The foundation's is nearly caught up as well, adding another to the list.
14:45 trinque my pizarro node's about 90k from the top, getting there
14:46 mod6 nice!
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17:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the hunt, https://78.media.tumblr.com/e5283747bbee343037934ea4a76dd258/tumblr_n8hdf5XwZZ1qj6d3fo1_1280.jpg
18:06 zx2c4 mircea_popescu: by the way ive wanted to dig this up for you the last two weeks and keep forgetting
18:06 mircea_popescu hm ?
18:06 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
18:06 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
18:07 zx2c4 re:your ECC skepticism and RSA-love -- a while back the NSA changed the Suite B recommendations to partially remove ECC for new crypto systems and also removed P256 IIRC. There was a great paper analyzing what the possible motivations could be, i think called 'an enigma inside a riddle' or something goofy like that. Let me find it...
18:07 zx2c4 here we go -- https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf
18:08 zx2c4 enjoyable to read conspiracy theorizing from well qualified academics
18:09 mircea_popescu zx2c4, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465484
18:09 a111 Logged on 2016-05-10 18:09 asciilifeform: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf << related.
18:09 zx2c4 ahh you saw this then
18:09 mircea_popescu some people enjoy it (called "entomological interest", here). i'm rather of the opposite persuasion, as detailed in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
18:09 mircea_popescu ie, couldn't care less what the wankers wank.
18:10 asciilifeform if only even the wanks had any variety. but nope, always ~same
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19:08 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81BE3B046D1B2FC0E035C9A15F562CFACB119A7AE4935B69F3F2D3C1CB4348F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...1003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.86.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.86.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-86-164.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
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20:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F650EE9731D074E709AA535905D524450DF957951813422A481CB0FDDCC0D55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...5127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.153.88.113 (ssh-rsa key from 62.153.88.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
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20:56 pinochle I've completed an implementation of http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ ; In an effort to not barf all over the logs, I have it up and running in a separate channel for demonstration. Any lord interested in playing some hands can join #polkaroom
20:56 mircea_popescu o.O
21:03 pinochle mp, can I interest you in a game?
21:06 mircea_popescu you can't ; because i don't know you. did you see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803676 ?
21:06 a111 Logged on 2018-04-20 16:38 ben_vulpes: pinochle: reg a key and build a name now, lest you build the thing and nobody uses it because who is this person
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21:45 pinochle yes, point taken
21:49 mircea_popescu so who are you, anyway ?
21:55 pinochle in the past I worked as a trader ; studied probability in school ; current work is building predictive models, often an exercise in futility
21:56 pinochle so much noise
21:56 mod6 !~later tell jurov Please check the ML pipes, I think I got one stuck.
21:56 jhvh1 mod6: The operation succeeded.
21:57 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-29#1806228 << >> http://www.mod6.net/2018/April/30/phexdigit_post.txt >> http://www.mod6.net/2018/April/30/mod6_phexdigit_fix.vpatch >> http://www.mod6.net/2018/April/30/mod6_phexdigit_fix.vpatch.mod6.sig
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21:57 a111 Logged on 2018-04-29 01:55 mod6: pfff http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L23074
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22:31 mircea_popescu pinochle, ok, do you ever read the logs ?
22:32 pinochle yes
22:32 mircea_popescu so did you read the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-29#1806306 portion ?
22:32 a111 Logged on 2018-04-29 14:58 mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
22:34 pinochle yes I did
22:36 mircea_popescu how did you figure it applies to you ?
22:37 pinochle begin with a small, reliable contribution, don't reinvent wheels
22:37 pinochle don't be a man alone
22:38 mircea_popescu alright ; and you figure "hey, i implemented a poker bot" is this ?
22:44 pinochle I see ; a motivating factor for going off and building was, selfishly, to learn
22:47 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, really.
22:48 mircea_popescu but the key to survival is working with others ; and the key to the others being others rather than just shitty clones of yourself is for them to be independently intelligent ; and then in turn the key to working with independently intelligent folk is... making it possible for them to work with you!
22:48 mircea_popescu "here's a black box", howsoever implemented in practice, "really lengthy patch you don't have the time to read" or "my poker bot" or whatever, is not-this.
22:49 mircea_popescu which is also why anonimity is the pantsuit-mandated mode of behaviour for intelligent zeks online.
22:49 mircea_popescu person-as-a-black-box needs inca's services for human interaction, hence "stop campus rape" etc.
22:53 pinochle there is not a word I disagree with ; so I have errored in that way, but the path forward is clear
22:56 pinochle deconstruct, refine and communicate on republican terms and in consumable bites ; that is what I shall do
23:01 mircea_popescu you ever read say http://trilema.com/2015/whoever-said-resource-allocation-is-a-solved-problem-deserves-a-kick-in-the-nads/ ?
23:02 mircea_popescu there's a humongous swath of republican land just waiting for a plow shaped exactly like a trader's who studied probability in school and spends his days building predictive models.
23:12 pinochle have not read, but will now ; that is encouraging, so lets get to work
23:25 lobbes anyone out there with a running instance of logbot-multiple-channels-corrected (ben_vulpes, danielpbarron)? I've run into the same issue alf was having >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758074
23:25 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 18:26 asciilifeform: you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes )
23:25 lobbes my logbot-genesis instance worx fine, but I will need to have this thing sitting in at least two channels
23:26 ben_vulpes lobbes: yeah i have one running
23:26 ben_vulpes 2 actually
23:27 ben_vulpes lobbes: iirc make-logbot still works but it is make-ircbot that does not
23:30 lobbes okay, so I should be able to run the logbot-with-multiple-channels-corrected portion as long as I run the ircbot portion as the original?
23:32 ben_vulpes why use ircbot instead of the logbot?
23:33 ben_vulpes logbot provides a very handy set of slots for plugging responders into
23:34 lobbes ah, okay, perhaps I'm doing this wrong. I assumed that I needed both the ircbot and logbot to be running and connected to irc concurrently
23:34 ben_vulpes newp, just the latter
23:34 lobbes nice, okay
23:34 lobbes thanks!
23:34 ben_vulpes sure thing
23:35 ben_vulpes logbot does everything that ircbot does and in addition writes everything it sees to the log table
23:36 mircea_popescu you know you've run this thing in a pretty confusing manner! there's like... 3 roots people don't know which to pick ?
23:37 ben_vulpes your listening process just needs to 'listen log_new_message' and then use whatever the wait-for-message abstraction is in the programming language for your responding service to wait for the primary key to come in, read that line out of the table and then either insert a response into outbox with the appropriate target or not as it chooses
23:40 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: if lobbes wants to run ircbot separately, without the logbot functionality, he could if he liked, and without taking a dependency on the logbot stuffs. 'tis why they're separate trees.
23:41 mircea_popescu ah so there's actually just two and yeah i see, nm.
23:42 trinque lets people decide not to use the part that's grafted to postgres
23:42 lobbesbot trinque: Sent 5 hours and 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
23:42 trinque ^ if it's skipping forward faster than 6 at a time, it's not going to barf them all up.
23:42 trinque or whatever the magic number is. but there is one.
23:45 lobbes later-tell reminded me to pose this q to the court: Should later-tells go to pm or stay in-channel?
23:46 trinque doesn't seem to me like they're doing any harm as they work currently.
23:48 lobbes word. well, if folx start to think it is getting too spammy, let me know
23:55 mircea_popescu eh, so it's one line in response to human agency, how bad can it be.
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