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02:04 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DFC27EB1269C6ABD97777433506E9CAE4CC357A63FD0A0C2152CD8F7542E83A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1705...6029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.250.204.74 (ssh-rsa key from 205.250.204.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (d205-250-204-74.bchsia.telus.net. CA BC)
02:04 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DFC27EB1269C6ABD97777433506E9CAE4CC357A63FD0A0C2152CD8F7542E83A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...1283 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.250.204.74 (ssh-rsa key from 205.250.204.74 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (d205-250-204-74.bchsia.telus.net. CA BC)
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09:10 phf this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
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09:11 phf the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing
09:11 shinohai neat phf ... yeah a complete list would be handy
09:12 phf e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/?nick=BingoBoingo
09:13 phf i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
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09:16 phf there's also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-08?inline=true which inlines gifs and jpegs
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09:33 shinohai Heh inline even works in w3m phf http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/inline.png
09:47 BingoBoingo ty phf
09:50 mod6 mornin
09:51 mod6 <+phf> the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing << aha. this would be great as I know the thing does a lot of things, i can just never remember what they are :]
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11:56 asciilifeform in today's world of shitunix,
11:56 asciilifeform $ rm -rf *.txt
11:56 asciilifeform -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
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12:13 mod6 yeah bs huh
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12:32 shinohai LOL
12:37 mod6 "Please do not remove this many files, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!111"
12:52 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JwoWa/?raw=true
12:52 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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14:06 asciilifeform !#s pywallet
14:06 a111 19 results for "pywallet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pywallet
14:06 asciilifeform ^ anybody know of a proggy with similar functionality, that ACTUALLY RUNS ?
14:07 asciilifeform ( not a single one of the boxes i have here now, will eat the 'deprecated' bdb lib for python, that the thing insists on )
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14:08 shinohai afaik there isn't one :/
14:09 asciilifeform so what do folx with coldwallets use ? their teeth and a pair of wires ?
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14:11 shinohai Well now I use mod6's privkeytools vpatch :D
14:12 asciilifeform pretty sure that rescans every shot
14:12 asciilifeform which is nogood.
14:12 asciilifeform it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
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14:12 asciilifeform which is a must
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14:42 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
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14:42 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 15:56 asciilifeform: -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
14:43 phf there was a naggum rant on the subject, that he recompiles his kernels to make that variable as large as possible, because the behavior is stupid
14:44 phf (i think the rant was in emacs group, because it's not in xach's collection)
14:45 asciilifeform problem is that this dun make it less stupid
14:45 asciilifeform and it WILL barf one day.
14:46 phf well, yes, unix. but my point since it wasn't obvious that it's not rm specific. it's a deep, inherent stupid
14:49 asciilifeform well yes
14:49 asciilifeform we had the innumerable 'tar barfs' threads etc.
14:49 asciilifeform whole os has this monumental fixnum retardation baked in.
14:51 phf heh, plan9 lists this in "bugs" section.
14:51 phf There is a large but finite limit on the size of an argment
14:51 phf list, typically around 409,600 bytes. The kernel constant
14:51 phf TSTKSIZ controls this.
15:05 phf but there's also CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT so this particular failure point is not limited to unix..
15:06 phf hyperspec mandates it to be no less than 50, which basically means you can't rely on #'apply working on unbound lists in a portable way
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15:25 mod6 <+asciilifeform> it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool << what is meant here? you want to see every private key dumped?
15:25 asciilifeform mod6: correct
15:26 asciilifeform i.e. complete disasm of wallet.dat
15:26 asciilifeform ( and, on other occasion, reasm )
15:26 mod6 oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
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15:26 asciilifeform correct. and undump.
15:26 mod6 undump? like import a swath of privkeys ?
15:26 asciilifeform like import exactly what it exported.
15:26 asciilifeform for instance.
15:27 asciilifeform y'know, disasm/asm.
15:27 mod6 oh. alright.
15:27 mod6 i'll have to look at that.
15:27 mod6 this is good feedback, i appreciate it.
15:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> i.e. complete disasm of wallet.dat << it also holds txns
15:27 asciilifeform so them also.
15:27 mircea_popescu it's basically a bdb dump of keys and txn, first part (but not 2nd) aesencrypted.
15:28 asciilifeform aha
15:29 asciilifeform in same $experiment, asciilifeform went to dump 'utxo set' of bitcoin, and found that there is not one single public tool that will do anything of the kind.
15:29 asciilifeform almost as if it isn't the EIGHTH motherfucking year of bitcoin existing
15:29 mircea_popescu myeah
15:30 asciilifeform ( there was an item written by -- that very same -- znort987 ; but it dun work worth a shit )
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15:30 mircea_popescu would actually be iunteresting, as a phuctor sort of thing. "here's the mempool pile"
15:30 mircea_popescu there are many proprietary shits, but they "publish" summaries in the vein of us scientism, "summaries" and coloring book pdfs.
15:31 asciilifeform wasn't looking at mempool, but at actual blockchain
15:31 asciilifeform ( though mempool viewer also would be interesting )
15:31 mircea_popescu both, yes.
15:31 asciilifeform i dun give a rat's arse re proprietary whatevers.
15:32 mircea_popescu and speaking of "i've been around for 8 years and i imagine this means something notwithstanding i got nothing for show for it", hey kanzure are ye busy reading the logs and reforming yourself into republican shape, or are ye back on the old bandwagon of idiocy, sucking from the same old bottle of stupid ?
15:33 * asciilifeform was wondering re ^
15:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was making a 'is this privkey, generated in whatever external way, live' detector.
15:35 asciilifeform and yes it is quite obvious why none of the folx who made this , are eager to share.
15:35 mircea_popescu heh
15:37 kanzure wut?
15:38 mircea_popescu better error messages!
15:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711736 << o hey, cool.
15:39 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 13:10 phf: this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
15:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711740 << coockie is not hard.
15:40 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 13:13 phf: i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
15:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
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15:43 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 18:07 asciilifeform: ( not a single one of the boxes i have here now, will eat the 'deprecated' bdb lib for python, that the thing insists on )
15:43 mircea_popescu "defensive coding practices" you know, defending nsa.
15:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711759 << folks generally do not use the "wallet" abstraction/idiocy anymore than they use the "accounts" idiocy baked in. 1 address per wallet sorta deal.
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15:45 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 18:09 asciilifeform: so what do folx with coldwallets use ? their teeth and a pair of wires ?
15:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711763 << yes, to fish out CHANGE addresses in trb you must FOLLOW txns trees to the unspent leaf. true pain in butt.
15:46 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
15:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711765 << this just means linux kernel is badly written he.
15:46 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 18:42 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
15:47 mircea_popescu i guess THE LINUX WAY, inherited from the c way, inherited from new jersey is to go rm -rf a*.txt and so following.
15:47 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711763 << yes, to fish out CHANGE addresses in trb you must FOLLOW txns trees to the unspent leaf. true pain in butt. << ah, good point. i'll make a note of these requests.
15:47 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
15:47 mod6 i like it.
15:48 mircea_popescu alternatively iirc xargs takes a param count limit, you keep re-running it
15:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711785 << pass nada.
15:49 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
15:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64155CFDE448832FC3FFC8C658CB07A7E7AE575E0CC0039A14415353CA80BFD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1675...1647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.200.169.60 (ssh-rsa key from 205.200.169.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rfmgw1.rapidfinance.ca. CA MB)
15:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64155CFDE448832FC3FFC8C658CB07A7E7AE575E0CC0039A14415353CA80BFD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1751...2187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.200.169.60 (ssh-rsa key from 205.200.169.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rfmgw1.rapidfinance.ca. CA MB)
15:50 mircea_popescu i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
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15:50 spyked mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
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15:50 mircea_popescu this latter is the java way, and it should die with fucking java
15:51 mircea_popescu spyked it's not elegant except in the sense that in the "dara ea-i mai mare muta, muci-i marg, din gura-i pute" world a washed face seems stylish and classy.
15:51 mircea_popescu it ain't.
15:55 asciilifeform rapidfinance.ca << was spamfarm, last known picture looks like http://web.archive.org/web/20131127015336/http://www.rapidfinance.ca:80
15:56 spyked eh. shell is by definition glue/tape macgyver. and "shell" is just a convenient extension of "unix", the same way 3 is a "conveniently chosen approximation" for pi.
15:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711819 << prb wasn't involved here, was operating on trb .dat's
15:56 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
15:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was explaining why pywallet has the dependency.
15:57 asciilifeform ( i did get the python bdb thing going, with some massage. but the result is unremarkable, takes ENTIRE SECOND to import a key )
15:57 mircea_popescu everyone does.
15:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711822 << well yes, ideally. but at some point ~everybody encounters a 'i have here ye olde .dat from 2011' etc
15:59 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711759 << folks generally do not use the "wallet" abstraction/idiocy anymore than they use the "accounts" idiocy baked in. 1 address per wallet sorta deal.
15:59 mircea_popescu golden standard is 1. take ye olde wallet.dat ; 2. dump all txn in it ; 3. dump all addresses involved in them ; 4. get privkeys for all addresses in that list (most of which fail).
16:00 asciilifeform 2-4 requires a disasmer
16:00 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711785 << pass nada. << alright
16:00 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
16:00 asciilifeform ( or, alternatively, a very long manual massage )
16:01 asciilifeform mod6: idea is that you oughta be able to convert ALL known wallet.dat into a human-readable form AND BACK
16:01 mircea_popescu it'd help if we first had a trb wallet model.
16:01 mircea_popescu so in a sense this is premature
16:01 mircea_popescu (which is what happens when people-other-than-mp say what to9 be done!!!)
16:02 mircea_popescu as it is, now he's going to hack together an undesigned, ad-hoc "sane human-readable form", which is nogood.jpg and also how you get dedicated, good folk in trouble.
16:02 asciilifeform sexpr.
16:02 mircea_popescu re-read the ad-hoc thrown together part.
16:03 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711838 << this is not ideal, correct command is actually find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... .
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16:03 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 spyked: mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
16:03 asciilifeform sexpr is definitionally correct human representation for anything whatsoever.
16:03 mod6 i'll hold off, but this is a good discussion of design goals.
16:03 phf the fact that you have to do this demonstrates a dozen of unix retardations. correct method could just be rm `find .|grep txt`, but this fails in a number of interesting ways
16:03 phf note that plan9/rc tried actually making the last command work, rm `{du|awk '{print $1}'|grep txt} almost works as expected out of the box. (note the somewhat questionable decision to "replace" find with du, but then you have to awk out first column..)
16:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we're not discussing whether it shopuld be written in latin characters here!
16:03 asciilifeform lol
16:04 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711863 << the proverbial bus with four steering wheels, gasses, and brakes.
16:04 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 20:03 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711838 << this is not ideal, correct command is actually find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... .
16:04 asciilifeform ' * ' should do the right motherfucking thing.
16:04 mircea_popescu * is not a right motherfucking thing.
16:04 mircea_popescu revisit above re parameters.
16:05 asciilifeform rm -rf * does not have the right to fail.
16:05 mircea_popescu you do not have the right to write *
16:05 asciilifeform why the hell not ?
16:05 mircea_popescu once you do, you're in best-effort computation world.
16:05 asciilifeform i start with a nonempty dir, and intend to end with an empty one
16:05 asciilifeform this is an O(1) op in the file system
16:05 asciilifeform ( even in fat16 )
16:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because it's either a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711837 ie sanity or else if * is semantically meani8ngful you're in new jersey.
16:05 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 mircea_popescu: i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
16:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5927AE84CE7B1841C179B2207451C282683D15F826538BC08E28576077FEEF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1744...7019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.33.38.39 (ssh-rsa key from 62.33.38.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
16:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5927AE84CE7B1841C179B2207451C282683D15F826538BC08E28576077FEEF8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...9847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.33.38.39 (ssh-rsa key from 62.33.38.39 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
16:06 asciilifeform entirely meaningful. 'all files reachable in this path ? delete'
16:06 phf asciilifeform: my point is what spyked wrote is not even complete in his own terms
16:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform stop an think of what i'm saying rather than just chasing your strand!
16:06 mircea_popescu IF * is meaningful, you're in a broken context.
16:06 asciilifeform i genuinely dun see how
16:06 mircea_popescu * should be implicit ; and it can't not be implicit in working world.
16:07 asciilifeform so i did the usual tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/*.txt and ended up with 'too many...'
16:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because * as a semantic notation is part of a class that goes a*.txt too.
16:07 mircea_popescu this is part of "my computor is my gf" ai world.
16:08 asciilifeform i dun get it. both *.txt, *foo*bar, and * , are well-formed statements with unambiguous correct answer in any possible case.
16:08 asciilifeform unix implements this defectively, with implicit hidden count limit.
16:08 mircea_popescu they are not well formed.
16:08 spyked asciilifeform yeah, but "rm -rf *" doesn't mean "all files reachable in this path". it means "expand * to arbitrarily long sausage, then pass result as args to rm".
16:08 mircea_popescu ^
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: demonstrate the ambiguity ?
16:08 asciilifeform spyked: THAT is retarded.
16:08 mircea_popescu the hallucination that * is well formed is a problem.
16:08 asciilifeform and must die.
16:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform NOT ambiguity.
16:09 mircea_popescu it. is. not. well. formed.
16:09 asciilifeform demonstrate how ?
16:09 mircea_popescu because there's no latin character named *. it's an utfism.
16:09 asciilifeform there ain't a latin | either.
16:09 mircea_popescu yes, there is.
16:09 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
16:10 mircea_popescu thgat's the fucking point. | is wel lformed. * is malformed.
16:10 mircea_popescu IF you gotta say * you know you're in barbarbar land.
16:11 asciilifeform so how would mircea_popescu formulate tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/*.txt ?
16:11 mircea_popescu tar cvfz foo.tar.gz bar/baz/ | grep .txt
16:11 asciilifeform that dunwork
16:11 mircea_popescu we're discussing how things should be or how they are ?
16:11 mircea_popescu nothingworks.jpg
16:12 asciilifeform i dun see why * should not be an exact shorthand for above.
16:12 asciilifeform if we're doing oughts.
16:12 asciilifeform my whole gripe was that it ain't one.
16:12 phf well, why not: tar cvfz foo.tar.gz `tree bar/baz|grep .txt` ?
16:12 mircea_popescu yes well then we agree.
16:12 asciilifeform because wtf tree and ` and rubbish
16:12 asciilifeform we're talking about simple ops, i should not have to touch fucking shift key
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16:12 mircea_popescu lol!
16:12 trinque how does that enter into how to properly represent the thought
16:12 mircea_popescu that's another thing.
16:13 trinque your shift key
16:13 asciilifeform for all you know my shift key has a pin, like grenade, and it take out for speshul occasions.
16:13 mircea_popescu trinque it is a valid point of how to make a proper kbd tho.
16:13 * asciilifeform brb
16:14 trinque mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
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16:14 mircea_popescu he's leapin' larry over here.
16:14 mircea_popescu in other news, slavegirl marches in with her-made mango lassi, complete with marasquino cherry etc.
16:14 mircea_popescu MY LIFE IS UNFAIR
16:14 phf shaping a file list is not necessarily simple op, but i'm not sure if ascii's response is even meant to make sense..
16:15 mircea_popescu phf possibly. in any case, the issue is the "DWIM" symbols in thought, let alone language.
16:15 mircea_popescu people gotta get used to the whole alphabet schtick already, "POSSIBLE LESS, DO MORE!"
16:18 phf (the old, not "modern") emacs approach was that you provide non-ambiguous, predictable building block operations that ~specific operator~ can build dwim tools out of. but those dwim tools shouldn't really leave your own toolbox
16:18 mircea_popescu importing ambiguity into computer lang is ~as stupid as trying to orthogonalize natural lang.
16:19 mircea_popescu that's why the fuck cs is in math dept in the first place ; as opposed to fucking literary criticism
16:19 mircea_popescu which gets moar moneyz.
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17:04 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711933 << keyboard meant as proxy for thoughtalphabet. i.e. if i do something 500 times on a typical day, it had better look like * and not like find . -name '*.arsefuck' | xargs etc.
17:04 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 20:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
17:05 asciilifeform and if the system designer did not see it this way, then it follows that he was a tard.
17:06 asciilifeform likewise it is screamingly idiotic when '* behaves exactly like find . -name '*.arsefuck' | xargs unless you have >9000 files then fuckyou.jpg'
17:13 mircea_popescu the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
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17:13 trinque well, as phf said sanity would be that you have orthogonal ops, write own macros for whatever you do 500 times a day, and can call it 8==D for all anyone cares
17:14 trinque in the present circumstance to have glob expansion in shell rather than in each command, gotta pass the individual files as args to the command.
17:15 trinque or each command has its own expansion built in.
17:17 mircea_popescu you shouldn't HAVE glob at all. you should have "on this directory" ; not as a LIST of files but as "this directory".
17:17 mircea_popescu because that is why the fucking fs even exists in the first place, to create "list of items same ops run on"
17:17 mircea_popescu that is what a fucking directory IS!
17:18 mircea_popescu which is why * is broken, because it connotes globbing, and globbing is stupid bullshit, "transform this thing i said into this other thing i meant"
17:18 mircea_popescu how about you fucking learn to think in actual thoughts as opposed to badly mangled "proxies" for thoughts!
17:18 mircea_popescu there IS such a thing as a thought primitive ; and there is such a thing as pseudo-"thought process" to be discounted out of hand for failing to correctly employ the required thought primitives and nothing else.
17:18 * trinque curious why rm does not read a stream of "things upon which to rm" rather than taking as args
17:18 mircea_popescu doh!
17:21 asciilifeform trinque: whole problem with unix is that ALL of its abstractions are porous in exactly the way mircea_popescu described
17:21 asciilifeform incl. stream
17:21 mircea_popescu yes.
17:22 mircea_popescu but this is no reason to fucking continue in the same vein god have mercy on us.
17:22 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711948 <-- from which came my "conveniently chosen" remark. convenience starting from e.g. mov eax, ebx vs. mov %ebx, %eax (because this notation looked more "intuitive"/"DWIM" than the other to someone at some particular time in history, so now we have both, but they're incompatible to each other so fuck it)
17:22 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 21:13 mircea_popescu: the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
17:22 mircea_popescu spyked yes, the problem of idiots being permited next to the machinery and as a result of their gefingerpoken poppencorken is an old one.
17:24 asciilifeform spyked: gas syntax ( i.e. mov %ebx, %eax ) reminds me of how some folx, whose mothers dropped them when they were small, buy textbook and paint over EVERY WORD with yellow highlighter pen ( i have seen these in used bookstores , the yellow ink almost drips from the page )
17:24 mircea_popescu you know ?
17:25 mircea_popescu 100% of "sociology" dept crap at the hooke school i went to, was underlined in multicolors. fully underlined.
17:25 mircea_popescu "what are you highlighting ?"
17:25 asciilifeform the 1 useful thing intel did in its entire life, was to introduce sane asm syntax. but unixtards, as is their custom, ignored.
17:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ritual, neh.
17:26 mircea_popescu and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
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17:26 asciilifeform 'pen will read, so i dun have to,' or somesuch
17:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a blessing women have legs, otherwise there'd be multicolored snail trails on all sidewalks.
17:26 asciilifeform lolyes
17:27 mircea_popescu was very much "oh, teh sociology" thing back in the 90s at that uni. because yes, the mommy whores went there.
17:27 mircea_popescu the cool ones did better majors.
17:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: typical big uni in usa consists 99% by weight, of this
17:27 asciilifeform complete with gigatonnes of yellow ink.
17:28 mircea_popescu maybe they start giving degrees to cats next.
17:28 asciilifeform cats have far too much sense, for this.
17:29 mircea_popescu i suspect this may be true.
17:36 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711973 <-- lulz. this is probably now a trend in "natural language" research. lookie https://aleksiknuutila.github.io/nlp-highlight/ moar training wheels
17:36 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 21:26 mircea_popescu: and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
17:36 mircea_popescu just roll up the god damned book, lube up and shove it.
17:40 mircea_popescu but it very much goes right to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.0-133.837 : "what do you mean i'm getting flunkied, I DID THE WORK! all that hard work of SITTING! I AM A GIRL AND I SAT!! I SHOULD PASS! I CAN PROVE IT!!!"
17:40 mircea_popescu and this stupid shit works because somehow people are too fucking lazy to live anymore.
17:41 asciilifeform upstack : is it obvious to everyone why the %eax is retarded ? ( same reason $foo in basic/perl/other braindamaged langs is)
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17:43 phf i unrelated lulz i googled "putin judo" through an ssh proxy with u.s. ip and the top article is "Is Vladimir Putin a judo fraud? - The Washington Post"
17:43 phf choice quote
17:43 phf "No, says Benjamin Wittes, the editor of the national security blog Lawfare.
17:43 phf Wittes, who happens to be a martial arts aficionado himself, has chided Putin as a âfraudâ and a âphonyâ and is trying to call his bluff by challenging the Russian strongman to a fight in any location where Putin lacks the authority to have him arrested.
17:43 phf "
17:44 phf top, fucking, link
17:44 asciilifeform what next, the pet bear was also fraud?!
17:49 asciilifeform even moar upstack , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711801 was interesting in that it inescapably leads to :
17:49 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 19:30 asciilifeform: ( there was an item written by -- that very same -- znort987 ; but it dun work worth a shit )
17:49 asciilifeform warning: failed to locate parent block
17:49 asciilifeform warning: in block 0000000000000699f01c80a9cf8a59b9c2935124490a855015355269a48db237 failed to locate parent block 000000000000040167c69f7a835d124214316b72d9a9fc2ec2413a238b6ab6da
17:50 asciilifeform and the interesting bit is that it does this on 4 different independent copies of blockchain that i have.
17:50 asciilifeform incl. a prb one
17:50 asciilifeform the former is blk#188528 and the latter 188529, ftr.
17:51 asciilifeform if anyone knows of what, if anything, is peculiar re either of these, plx to write in.
17:51 asciilifeform ( and ftr what this eggog results in is a complete failure to find the longestchain. )
17:52 mircea_popescu and briefly back to the literate whore thread : http://trilema.com/2012/power-fashion-editorii-care-au-revolutionat-moda/ ie guess what "fahion editors" did in college.
17:54 mircea_popescu phf you are familiar with "the michael moore method" yes ? as in, http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-191.0-209.295
17:55 mircea_popescu pantsuits really luv these, so much so they're more than willing to pretend it's the only point and only manifestation of an intellectual life, this sort of "provocative monkeying".
17:56 mircea_popescu and i don't just mean scientific, or imagological baiting. pantsuit.comedy ie "speak truth to power" is supposed to be all about an insufficient monkey goading the closest thing to a lion that could be found. i dunno why they're so fascinated with the pointless nonsense (aside the obvious anal children reference, ofcouars)
18:08 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/fake-news-still-stoking-losers-delusions/ << Qntra - Fake News Still Stoking Loser's Delusions
18:09 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711989 <-- OTOH, because when viewed in context it's redundant and thus useless. they could as well have designated it "tovarishch register eax" instead of simply "eax".
18:09 a111 Logged on 2017-09-10 21:41 asciilifeform: upstack : is it obvious to everyone why the %eax is retarded ? ( same reason $foo in basic/perl/other braindamaged langs is)
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19:09 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
19:09 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4266.0, vol: 14630.83471276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4270.0, vol: 45083.781159 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3734.06, vol: 24329.23570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4321.4, vol: 4056.84157063 | Volume-weighted last average: 4123.70135236
19:11 shinohai ty BingoBoingo o/
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21:00 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/and-now-for-a-special-eulora-news-bulletin/ << Trilema - And now for a special Eulora news bulletin
21:13 BingoBoingo "Overweight is bad news." << Take that hamplanets of Eulora!
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22:32 BingoBoingo Welcome back mike_c
22:32 mike_c hey bingo
22:41 BingoBoingo How's the family life?
22:41 mike_c wife and two kids, if I just get a dog and sell my motorcycle I'm about as typical as they come.
22:42 mike_c everybody's good though. how have you been?
22:43 mike_c staying out of jail it appears :)
22:43 mike_c I assume that means you beat that bullshit you were going through awhile ago.
22:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lotta people are 100s of tons weight, because you cancurrently keep all the raw materials i npockets. so it's like "here's my 20 tons of raw potatoes ima cut into french fries, 18 tons of"
22:50 BingoBoingo mike_c: Yeah. Thursday I have a hearning on motions and discovery in a speeding ticket case. Sobered up about 22 months ago.
22:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: OMG
22:50 BingoBoingo Are Eulora players small trains or large trucks?
22:50 mircea_popescu moar like boats.
22:50 mircea_popescu you know, what urbit aspired to be. STARSHEEPS!
22:50 BingoBoingo So they swim?
22:51 BingoBoingo Ah
22:51 BingoBoingo Buttlesheeps
22:51 mike_c congrats! I did that a long time ago too. Good luck with it.
22:52 * BingoBoingo still has to work on bicycle to get to motorcycle
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