Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:04 pete_dushenski btw merry chrismukkah to all observers!
~ 6 hours 31 minutes ~
06:35 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/ << Trilema - A story of men.
~ 50 minutes ~
07:25 shinohai https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1010
~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
08:40 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5903A4A17412928163DB4CAFD99156896B77F309220459233790398D86EB8CAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2710...7181 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.37.105.217 (ssh-rsa key from 198.37.105.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (105.37.198-217.dc74.net. US NC)
08:40 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3127...2173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W)
08:40 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C78216621EE9916A255D86FF0908E9B71BCF604F479C9C84EC23CDF984DF22BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1692...5813 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.240.192.77 (ssh-rsa key from 82.240.192.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.amireva.com. FR 31 N)
~ 1 hours 28 minutes ~
10:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590397 << the lulziest part in all that aren't the various necessary insanities cribbed from the cold sweat of the other socialisms ; but the notion that "our allies". dude what ?! the regime has allies ?!
10:08 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 04:37 phf: "... for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies."
10:09 mircea_popescu even the comintern knew better than that ; and the comintern consisted of random plow pushers taken to town last spring.
10:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590400 << solid work from taleb, sadly on fucking medium.
10:21 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 04:50 pete_dushenski: https://medium.com/opacity/no-jesus-was-not-a-nonwhite-refugee-who-would-have-voted-for-43779209eea4#.1ii46ja1m << pics of ancient stone busts, which really are the story here, don't archive
10:21 mircea_popescu how can he be ~this fucking blind~ is beyond conception, and then he talks of "state worshiping iyi". dude... YOURE ON MEDIUM.
~ 20 minutes ~
10:42 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590194 << i don't think crap-rsa ever leaked, although i did publish crap-secp256k1 for deed validation
10:42 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 16:54 asciilifeform: adlai has one
10:48 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDE0EB6C581D23C4D24451A316CF43EFB241A22EA35B998B4CB6A7DC79AB7548 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...1849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.153.12 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.153.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ds62-138-153-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
10:48 Framedragger if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy...
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10:51 Framedragger i don't suppose anyone here has messed with android 'adopted' storage? (use sd card as internal encrypted android storage.) i'm trying to recover files from a half-broken 32GB sd card which has weirdo android-internal partitions and encryption.. oh god
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10:52 Framedragger but it seems that the encryption key is (of course) found on the card itself (one can just dd...), in a weird 'meta' part. it's just aes 128 bit. sek00rity
10:53 Framedragger google aliased dmcrypt to $some_internal_serious_sounding_android_keyword and moved things around...
10:54 Framedragger (for logs, http://nelenkov.blogspot.lt/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html )
10:54 Framedragger (ahh, maybe the key *isn't* on the card.. which makes it slightly less retarted; slightly)
10:55 mircea_popescu Framedragger most of the usg corps steal foss and posture as a business strategy.
10:55 Framedragger aha! still funny when it's done so transparently hm
10:55 mircea_popescu the net effect being that it'd take three determined people a few weeks to reconstruct $usg.project's software.
10:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5903A4A17412928163DB4CAFD99156896B77F309220459233790398D86EB8CAE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1540...8337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.37.105.217 (ssh-rsa key from 198.37.105.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (105.37.198-217.dc74.net. US NC)
10:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1766...0467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W)
10:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C78216621EE9916A255D86FF0908E9B71BCF604F479C9C84EC23CDF984DF22BD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1413...7607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.240.192.77 (ssh-rsa key from 82.240.192.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.amireva.com. FR 31 N)
11:02 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590416 << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpev8JXJHQ&t=0m53s
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11:02 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 15:48 Framedragger: if i'd known that there'd be so many pops, i wouldn't have plastered my nym on all those gpg keys >.< this *is* a bit spammy...
11:04 mircea_popescu unlike Framedragger , malkovich is actually fucking insufferable.
11:04 mircea_popescu he's meanwhile run out of audience in the states, was mining buenos aires recently. POETRY READING!
11:08 Framedragger nice free association: there's a pretty lulzy but cool film called colour me kubrick. based on tru st0ry in which this almost-homeless alcoholic guy pretends to be kubrick thereby gaining respect, deals, fancy restaurant dining etc. played my malkovich, and it somehow works for me.
11:09 Framedragger (maybe because the guy played is insuffeable, too..)
11:11 Framedragger ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Conway
11:13 mircea_popescu in small doses im sure he's fine.
11:14 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/tsa2016/
11:15 mircea_popescu Framedragger we deduce kubrik's wife, christiane, was sexually unsatisfied by kubrik's cock (oliver ?)
11:17 phf i only saw him in that one movie, and it's my humorous goto visual metaphor for malignant narcissism. i sometimes think that he's only popular in u.s. because of his funny sounding last name, kind of like zizek. like there's a weird feedback loop between the last name and certain kind of social eccentricity
11:17 ben_vulpes http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill
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11:18 mircea_popescu phf i dunno, the eastern european name is in my head taken over by that piece of furniture besson was infatuated with at some point.
11:18 mircea_popescu she wasn't even hot in any sense, dear god, any highschool in the region could have provided two better in the same vein.
11:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hey, they get their tin womenz and we get ours, then we watch the catfight to end all wars.
11:20 mircea_popescu Security specialist Bruce Schneier, for one, does not see any urgent need for better random numbers. Schneier helped create the widely used Fortuna pseudorandom-number generator, and says there are already many adequate sources. "In my world no one's worried about this," he said. "These systems already work" to provide secure communications when attention is paid to all of the other implementation details. "We have lots of pr
11:20 mircea_popescu oblems; this isn't one of them."
11:20 mircea_popescu ^epic schneider material though :D
11:21 mircea_popescu jesus fuck this dreck is unreadable.
11:25 phf oooh jovovich. yeah..
11:27 mircea_popescu one way to look at thw hole "gay rights" thing is, "the dudes who'd rather fuck boys really belong on their own reservation rather than flooding the market with dumb looking tomboys"
11:29 mircea_popescu iirc before her he chased some 15yo.
11:34 mircea_popescu and in lafond lulz, "I used to work with Mister Bill, who was retired from Army Intelligence in the early 1970s. During the Vietnam War he tortured Viet Cong and NVA regulars at Fort Meade—no shit. he trained guys in field interrogations using real enemy. This guy looked like Eliot Ness—used to intimidate all of is coworkers just by the way he smoked his cigarette and wore his fedora. A 13-year-old kid stuck him up while
11:34 mircea_popescu he was sitting in his car. He told me that he was impressed by the kid's composure and thought he's make a good field operative..."
11:34 mircea_popescu i get it, every housewife must have her dreams, but dude, notice that your mythological avatar... GOT ROBBED ?
11:35 mircea_popescu i'm supposed to be impressed with some dork who ran around threatening "to tell" on everyone in the schoolyard for smoking because his mommy told him to, oh noes, prohibition agent / hero. ffs already.
11:38 mircea_popescu at this rate it's a wonder lafond isn't wearing a gut halter. god knows his mommy did! and her mommy before her!
11:38 mircea_popescu fucken goof.
11:39 phf well, besson was making decade appropriate genre movies. new york new wave did the whole androgyny in the 80s, by the 90s everyone else caught up. plus there was gainsbourg paving the way with his épatage
11:40 mircea_popescu the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more.
11:40 mircea_popescu phf but my idea is... the "androgyny" thing only exists because gay dudes masquerading.
11:41 mircea_popescu once that went away, "the androgyny thing" that never was a thing to begin with ~if you weren't really into fucking boys~ also went away.
11:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> the fucking point is - whatever some old fart with a good old fart story the other old farts eat up THOUGHT, the street tough didn't think he made a good "fiedl operative". in positive fact he made a good victim and no more. << /me read it as old fart who was was befroe becoming old fart thought child robber would make good field operative. But the crime as I read is he doesn't figure that the child already is a field oe
11:45 BingoBoingo prative.
11:46 BingoBoingo Anyways USG stooges don't age well
11:46 mircea_popescu how can i distinguish this story from "roger ver, who once had the most bitcoins of anyone on the planet, thinks thedaoattacker would make a fine bitcoin developer" ?
11:47 mircea_popescu it's not even deep enough, because not only "he's all tough and shit like lock ness monster" claim holds , but the fducking monster ISNT TOUGH.
11:48 BingoBoingo WAS, stooges tend to lose their toughness when the age out of the stoogery in USG land
11:48 BingoBoingo Or stories of badassery are drunken fictions
11:50 mircea_popescu that whole "prohibition heroes" thing was, and is, an incredibly transparent, and screamingly lame attempt by the puritan wanna-be preacher apparatus ( https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fe/de/d0/feded087bb5b76da57473b6e7078ffaf.jpg << t5his guy ) to make up a socialist hero to go with the actual hero, the al capones, meyer lanskis and bugsy siegels.
11:50 mircea_popescu it has all the cachet and all the panache of a "christian rockstar" - the result of a trainload of philistine running out of coal in a desert of stupid.
11:51 BingoBoingo Well, there are many deserts of stupid and only so much coal. Most of which goes into lighting the desert of stupid
11:51 phf aah, i see your point, though i'm not sure about the definition of a thing in relation to "really into". a thing is a fad. gays started this particular fad, "everyone" was on board for a bit, until the aids epidemic. i think shoulder pads for example are androgynous, likewise a fad
11:51 mircea_popescu i thought shoulderpads were the first dry run of the whole "i r lion hear me roar!" thing.
11:52 mircea_popescu they did tend to go mostly with lion's made hairdos for womenz.
11:52 mircea_popescu ie, "feminist" made not "political-identity-gay" made. mostly because at the time gay==faggot, there wasn't a "political-identity-gay" machine.
11:53 mircea_popescu so, predictably, they just parasithized it, because of the wanna-be-woman faggotry, some wanna be woman "as historical essence" and some "as current fashion", so you ended up with that wham idiot doing shoulderpads and girly hairdos ; and sir what's his face, the fat ugly one doing "historical hats like queen liz"
11:54 BingoBoingo BUt anyways, the US is divided into two areas. Ones where you can sit in your car, make phone calls, and smoke all the cigarettes you want in said car; and places where if you sit in your car too long after car stops a child puts a gun in your face.
11:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and has been, since at least the 70s. we used to call the 2nd area "the bronx"
11:55 mircea_popescu but hey, provincial towns gotta copy new york don;t they.
11:56 BingoBoingo Well, yeah, now it is the "urban" http://qntra.net/2016/12/missouri-state-representative-elect-bruce-franks-robbed-at-gunpoint/
11:57 mircea_popescu heh. did this one also torture martians / rape baby seals or is he from the other side of the Great Delusion.
11:57 phf haha, well, we're on the same page. i have a soft spot for shoulder pads, because that's your 80s moscows, blade runner, so i just can't see them in terms of "hear me roar". but i think we had the whole sean young thread before..
11:58 * mircea_popescu suspects the proper romanian expletive to discuss these dorks would be "sa-mi bag pula-n ei de figuranti ; ma pis pe ma-sa si-i dau foc."
11:58 mircea_popescu phf ftr you definitely gotta see the recent triad if you haven't already.
11:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Parked car predators know no limits after Micheal Brown put all that fear into poor Ferguson police officer back in 2014.
11:59 phf mircea_popescu: triad?
11:59 mircea_popescu phf http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/
11:59 phf oh oh k
11:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah that one was a "Lives matter" activist turned state legislator
11:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they do have a point, man at wheel is uniquely vulnerable, law doesn't much help.
12:00 BingoBoingo I mean in St Louis they also got governor elect's wife
12:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how the fuck all these mytologizing gimps fail to point out that loch ness' job was to bring down al capone, AT WHICH JOB HE FAILED ? he's like the che guevara of the gynecaeum i swear.
12:01 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They fail to point it out because they suck and their heros need to suck.
12:02 mircea_popescu yes but if they know this why do they also insist to suck cunt of all things.
12:02 BingoBoingo "memetic virus"?
12:02 BingoBoingo Per yesterday
12:02 mircea_popescu ya think ? i guess.
12:03 BingoBoingo Anyways stupid is self reinforcing.
12:06 BingoBoingo Screw get softer, except some people make tougher OMGWTFBBQ wood screws for the purpose of framing more thing whish probably ought not be wood of wood.
12:06 BingoBoingo Until those get the Zamac treatment too
12:12 BingoBoingo Or why bars get filled fake old crap just because one bar filled with old crap managed to open a second location back in the day.
12:13 BingoBoingo Where what is proper is that things in the bar get old because bar gets old
~ 1 hours 57 minutes ~
14:10 mircea_popescu what are you doing in a bar anyway
14:18 BingoBoingo I'm not in a bar, but I have some vague memories of what bars were like.
14:19 mircea_popescu ah
14:19 * BingoBoingo trying to try to describe examples of the sort of infectious stupidity that makes losers hold up loser "heros" instead of actual heros
14:20 BingoBoingo The stupidity that hits a critical mass and becomes "Hussein Bahamas presentes: How the World Works"
14:26 ben_vulpes in ten slides
14:26 mircea_popescu ocho, better.
14:26 ben_vulpes ah yes, eight is a better number than ten.
14:27 ben_vulpes in other nyooz, $offspring issued his first low-ambiguity ASL gesture this morning: 'food'
14:30 mircea_popescu whatcha give him
14:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, it's particularly offensive because the dood was the stereotypical lush-with-hallucinated-war-stories.
14:35 BingoBoingo Particular example was offensive, but "sitting in a car" seems like its on its way to becoming the new "nailgun accident"
14:36 mircea_popescu aha.
14:37 mircea_popescu so who's this "helena blavatsky" chick
14:37 mircea_popescu i don't expect the 19th century occultist came back ?
14:37 BingoBoingo No idea
14:38 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/12/grinch-netanyahu-deliver-christmas-scolding-to-ambassadors/ << Qntra - Grinch Netanyahu Deliver Christmas Scolding To Ambassadors
14:38 mircea_popescu in other lulz, "To all BNet visitors, due to unprecedented scamming on the BNet Forum, we have been forced to shut the facility down. We are looking at alternative systems that will allow us to restart the Forum under a much better security protocol. We hope to be able to restart the Forum sometime in the New Year. Thank you for visiting the Forum and hope to see you again there in the New Year. To all who had signed up, we
14:38 mircea_popescu have lost all email addresses."
14:48 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: quiche
14:49 mircea_popescu funny, that's what i'm having!
14:49 ben_vulpes there are several dozens of eggs worth of quiche in this house right now, and myriad cakes
14:50 ben_vulpes but this was not enough for me
14:50 ben_vulpes and i have 'convinced' the girls to make the traditional family coffee cake
14:50 ben_vulpes where 'convince' is something along the lines of "no seriously you have all the ingredients it would be a sin to not make it. also i want it. so..."
14:51 mircea_popescu i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning.
14:51 mircea_popescu how's tinned biscuits you ask ? why, you take a gingerbread round, put it in a jar lid, cover it in rum and there you go - tinned biscuit!
14:52 ben_vulpes gingerbread soaked in run?
14:52 ben_vulpes rum*
14:52 mircea_popescu oya
14:52 mircea_popescu mp-haus gingerbread style is very gingery and very dry. apparently ginger bread varies a lot.
14:52 * ben_vulpes stares at the half gingerbread cake
14:53 ben_vulpes oya, ours is a veritably moist cake
14:53 mircea_popescu o what's in your quiche btw ? mine's shrimp.
14:53 ben_vulpes there's one shallot, one cheese and sausage, one mushroom spinach, and one more plain
14:53 mircea_popescu good mushroom or plain mushroom ?
14:54 mircea_popescu it's somewhat regrettable we can't house visit and try these.
14:55 ben_vulpes i assume good mushroom, $girl went out and selected them from the hipsters herself
14:55 mircea_popescu ah worx.
14:55 diana_coman mircea_popescu> i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning. <- it gave me this fleeting image of a red-hatted mp with a huge jar going round the neighbourhood
14:55 mircea_popescu lol
14:57 mircea_popescu and now being prepared - lasagna!
14:58 BingoBoingo IN other salads https://archive.is/d0Y0B
15:00 ben_vulpes i'm not even going to start on the five courses currently under preparation
15:01 ben_vulpes i only really know what one of the courses is, am content to let the chefs work their surprise magic
15:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ahaha check out all the effort they put into it. "the website", really ?
15:01 mircea_popescu from now on it's "The webiste 'whitehouse' based in maryland".
15:02 mircea_popescu (cur | prev) 01:18, 10 May 2014‎ Agyle (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,611 bytes) (-40)‎ . . (removed reference to mpex.co, not reliable source, and didn't seem to verify information anyway. see WP:RS.) (undo)
15:02 mircea_popescu (cur | prev) 01:14, 10 May 2014‎ Agyle (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,651 bytes) (-42)‎ . . (removed loper-os reference, not a reliable source. see WP:RS.) (undo)
15:03 mircea_popescu ^ from the history. check out what isn't a reliable source. epic shit.
15:05 BingoBoingo 4real
15:08 mircea_popescu also looks like this is the first time anyone read that article since 2014. who knew nobody gives a shit about wikipedia.
15:21 BingoBoingo And still not purged
15:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in exchange, one for you : https://worldisraelnews.com/watch-studio-wiped-out-by-fire-a-loss-to-art-history-especially-jewish-art/#comment-3027181877
15:24 BingoBoingo WTF, of course he's happy to "begin anew". All his old shit is gone and now he gets those sweet gentile insurance premiums.
15:25 BingoBoingo https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/what-the-hell-somali-american-goes-home-for-visit-to-somalia/
15:25 mircea_popescu was mostly for teh comments discussing you.
15:25 mircea_popescu "qntra the serene republic"
15:27 * BingoBoingo did not get to comments
15:27 mircea_popescu disqus is a pos ; but if you give it a day and a half eventually it jumps to the spot.
15:29 * BingoBoingo trying archive.is
15:29 mircea_popescu "I suspect old Bingo is something of a disinformation hoax."
15:29 ben_vulpes "in other word salad"
15:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he did say.
15:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590439 << i read the original crapolade last year
15:30 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 16:17 ben_vulpes: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2017/1/211100-pure-randomness-extracted-from-two-poor-sources/fulltext << asciilifeform: in which the acm tells the world that fuckgoats was tin woman overkill
15:31 ben_vulpes nono, the diqsux comment
15:31 mircea_popescu anyway, it's mildly amusing to watch internet people act under a very earnest notion that the portion of any one thing that they ran across has, grace to half a minute's meditation, formed a complete and useful image in their heads.
15:31 asciilifeform theoretical boost of 1.5x of bitrate, in exchange for making the debiaser 1000x moar complex
15:31 asciilifeform guess who luuuuvvvs such item.
15:31 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes just like the wiki page, "other salads"
15:32 BingoBoingo lol "I suspect old Bingo is something of a disinformation hoax.
15:32 BingoBoingo What I have found interesting is that the professed liberals only began reacting to it when I posed the possibility after 24 hours."
15:33 mircea_popescu yeah, you know, the professed liberals care!
15:33 BingoBoingo OMG Have these cucks never lulzd?
15:33 mircea_popescu it's hard out there for a cuck when tryina make da money for da lulz
15:34 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mod6: subject of "making things 1000x more complex" i embarked on handling various conditions a v might encounter (missing pubkey, unsigned patch, mismatched hashes after a press...) and i daresay the volume of code must increase!
15:34 ben_vulpes "help" is the motherfucking dog whistle of the left
15:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i must disagree
15:35 ben_vulpes (in re http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/your-app-isnt-helping-the-people-of-saudi-arabia-1790198445)
15:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: no pubkey? seals dun count, unsealed patches -- invisible.
15:35 asciilifeform silently.
15:35 asciilifeform this is the correct behaviour.
15:35 hanbot ni3230R681ss
15:35 asciilifeform the only error condition is cyclic graph
15:35 ben_vulpes hanbot: lol again?
15:35 Framedragger BingoBoingo: "#trilema logs" href in http://qntra.net/about/ points to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
15:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm happy to implement post-patch hash checks
15:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mismatched postpress hash should be impossible if fuzz is properly killed.
15:36 ben_vulpes what guarantees have i of this "should"?
15:37 asciilifeform 0 until we shoot gnupatch.
15:37 ben_vulpes mkthen
15:37 mircea_popescu lmao no moare random strings hanbot , we get it.
15:37 BingoBoingo Framedragger: ty fxd
15:37 ben_vulpes fwiw i have a full-killer sitting in my workdir, for release later
15:37 ben_vulpes fuzz*-killer
15:38 ben_vulpes 'tis the obvious characters.
15:38 mircea_popescu what does this kill ?
15:38 BingoBoingo hanbot: pls to color code your keyboards
15:38 hanbot x_x
15:39 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: only patch's fuzzy application, nothing more.
15:39 mircea_popescu ah right.
15:39 mircea_popescu anyway alf has it - there's no need to handle what you list other than by not using them
15:39 ben_vulpes sure
15:40 ben_vulpes sb-ext, and rail at me for using an implementation-dependent sub program library if you will, does not seem to signal error conditions when external programs exit with nonzero code
15:41 ben_vulpes so i'm writing some trivial conditions for when it does fail, which means handling eg missing gpg keys
15:41 mircea_popescu aite.
15:41 ben_vulpes the situation's a good example of the tension between writing code that does one thing really specifically well, and fits-in-head, vs a larger program that handles eg conditions and the concomittant complexity
15:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if it didn't pass error codes, how the hell did it work to detect if sig was valid
15:43 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: didja read it?
15:44 ben_vulpes i explicitly tested error code downstream of sb-ext. it's not that it "doesn't pass error codes" it's that error code is surfaced in the process struct that sb-ext:run-program returns
15:44 ben_vulpes i was a bit surprised that sb-ext:run-program did not signal a condition when the program so ran exited with something other than zero.
15:45 BingoBoingo https://www.rt.com/sport/371531-khl-team-soviet-anthem/
15:45 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes to my eyes "the situation" ie, the developer's own private choice, illustrates the natural tendency of one to cruft up his workbench.
15:47 ben_vulpes i'll buy it
15:48 ben_vulpes any suggestions on where up the tree to nuke a branch and reduce complexity?
15:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not yet read
15:53 asciilifeform now i gotta wonder if anybody read, e.g., FUCKGOATS
15:55 ben_vulpes i've not yet
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16:18 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes just have it silenty discard all patches that aren't sealed properly for the narrow definition of properly neh ?
16:19 asciilifeform this is the only way where variant-wots work correctly, aha.
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16:36 ben_vulpes i suppose there's no practical way around the patches and signatures sharing a prefix.
16:36 mircea_popescu does this hurt anything ?
16:38 ben_vulpes it costs in complexity, yes. could be argued that it is a very minimal cost, but i would still prefer to "pick any signature from .seals that verifies" instead of the by my read promisetronic "pick any signature whose filename contains the filename of the patch under verification"
16:40 mircea_popescu i don't get it. suppose you ran a maternity ward, would you go "adding nametags to the kids adds complexity, just send the mothers naked in a room fulla puppies let them pick which fit to their teat" ?
16:40 mircea_popescu i dunno how either the current method adds complexity (show this ?) or the alternative isn't rank insanity. why should i have to look at >1 seal to verify a patch ?
16:42 mircea_popescu (and please don't tell me your idea is that the reason room-fulla-puppies isn't how maternity wards are ran is because cunt runs on perl and most kids therefore fit to most teats.)
16:43 ben_vulpes i was holding that one in abeyence for lols
16:43 ben_vulpes also that mothers know which baby is theirs and a signature can't tell me which patch it belongs to
16:44 ben_vulpes look i'm pointing at a promisetronic bit of v and saying "hey look i think this is a bit floppy"
16:44 ben_vulpes if it's fine, whatever
16:46 ben_vulpes the naive o(n^2) calculation is to say "there is a signature for this patch" and not giving a shit about which signature, provided it corresponds to a key in .wot .
16:47 ben_vulpes in which i realize that to get code review in tmsr you have to paste it into irc one line at a time
16:47 mircea_popescu lolwut.
16:47 ben_vulpes naw, kiddin
16:47 ben_vulpes sorta
16:47 mircea_popescu anyway, the idea is maximum power for the user. a scheme whereby i am forced to check all seals for each patch dispowers me ; a system whereby i can always resolve each patch in at least 1 checks or however many i feel like doing empowers me.
16:48 mircea_popescu now, there's entirely nothing "promisetronic" about people providing seals named as their patches are named. if they fail to do this - their patch won't work.
16:48 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/12/92-presumed-dead-as-russian-passenger-plane-headed-to-syria-crashes/ << Qntra - 92 Presumed Dead As Russian Passenger Plane Headed To Syria Crashes
16:49 ben_vulpes it is a small but worth-noting difference between "put yer patches in this here directory, your signatures in this other, and your pubkeys in this third".
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16:51 mircea_popescu i guess it is.
16:53 mircea_popescu dude this is the exact plane that the poles died in
16:54 mircea_popescu what is with the tu154
16:55 BingoBoingo Popular plane, long production run.
16:55 mircea_popescu not that many still flying after 1990.
16:55 BingoBoingo Aeroflot didn't retire till 2010
16:55 BingoBoingo Apparently 51 still in service
16:56 mircea_popescu ouch/
16:56 Framedragger :( re. the ensemble
16:57 mircea_popescu anyway the jewish thing is proceeding nicely, israel no longer funding un bodies ; israel ministers no longer allowed to visit countries or meet officials from 14 list.
16:57 Framedragger unrelated; such heavy reliance on archive.is by qntra, irc forum et al. scares me. it seems to be doing ~fine and i like the owner's attitude (http://archive.is/faq), but 'someone' should make another one
16:57 mircea_popescu Framedragger no argument there.
16:58 mircea_popescu the problem of saving html soup well is hard ; phf announced working on it some time ago but i dunno how it goes.
16:58 BingoBoingo links are a courtesy, if html soup dies then it dies
16:58 BingoBoingo and the qntra remains
16:59 BingoBoingo At least until better situation comes
16:59 BingoBoingo brb, cookies
16:59 mircea_popescu Framedragger we do also have a scheme whereby we save the plain data and deedbot under consideration, but meh.
17:01 Framedragger mircea_popescu are you referring to the time-honoured "put some irc logs into deedbot" practice? :D (that i'd seen)
17:01 mircea_popescu "I knew Obama was looking to take sweet revenge against Israel and Netanyahu. Since he was elected in 2009, he was hostile to settlements and Netanyahu. He revealed his true face with an anti-Israel decision but Netanyahu and Israel will defeat him." << they very likely will, too.
17:01 mircea_popescu imagine, to go in trying to fight "world problems", to be fucked raw by putin and eventually defeated... by fucking israel.
17:02 mircea_popescu i could fart a larger country.
17:02 mircea_popescu Framedragger nah, it's in the logs, have an auto dld of links
17:02 Framedragger ah 'kay
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17:27 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590190 << ironclad claims to have a "pure lisp" implementation of rsa but i have not confirmed this for myself
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17:27 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 16:53 gabriel_laddel: common lisp rsa when
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18:04 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590417 << ok for posterity: the way you deal with this is, you just dd all of it to PC; then you dd again and compare checksums; if they don't match, drink, else, proceed: dd it to a new sd card, mount, and smile
18:04 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 15:51 Framedragger: i don't suppose anyone here has messed with android 'adopted' storage? (use sd card as internal encrypted android storage.) i'm trying to recover files from a half-broken 32GB sd card which has weirdo android-internal partitions and encryption.. oh god
18:05 Framedragger if the latter does *not* work, you first make a noncommittal vow not to deal with android in the future, swear, drink a bit, and then proceed with aes key extraction as per http://nelenkov.blogspot.lt/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html ; you need to root phone, which may reset and wipe the device, so check if that's even possible to do; don't forget to drink. cloning worked for me. don't forget to drink.
18:06 Framedragger (and don't use 'adopted storage' in android in the future. it's stupid.)
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18:30 mircea_popescu or for that matter, android.
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18:52 ben_vulpes chaste hardware, promiscuous hardware
18:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-25#1590665 << last i saw, it used openliquishit ffi
18:58 a111 Logged on 2016-12-25 22:27 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590190 << ironclad claims to have a "pure lisp" implementation of rsa but i have not confirmed this for myself
18:59 ben_vulpes well that'd be in stark contrast to the claim i remember
19:00 ben_vulpes in other hashing bafflements: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xaEPR/?raw=true
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19:00 asciilifeform i have nfi, why not read the src, then tell us..
19:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: perhaps someday
19:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lemme guess, it takes liberties with newlines
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19:19 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'll investigate
19:19 ben_vulpes ('it' == ironclad ?)
19:30 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: kinda looks like it
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20:08 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CDE0EB6C581D23C4D24451A316CF43EFB241A22EA35B998B4CB6A7DC79AB7548 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2284...9293 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.138.153.12 (ssh-rsa key from 62.138.153.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ds62-138-153-12.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
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20:50 phf asciilifeform: for the record there's not a single line of ffi in ironclad. we've had this conversation before
20:51 phf it also has rsa, but ~rsa~ only, i.e. no openpgp containers, etc.
20:52 phf (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/froydnj/ironclad/master/src/public-key/rsa.lisp)
21:04 phf re "liberty with whitespace" there's something else going on. it's doing everything through unsigned-byte 8
21:09 asciilifeform phf: yer right re ssl
21:09 asciilifeform phf: but! why in satan's name does it hardcode sha1 for rsa verify
21:10 asciilifeform (let ((s (integer-to-octets (rsa-core (octets-to-integer signature)
21:10 asciilifeform (rsa-key-exponent key) (rsa-key-modulus key))
21:10 asciilifeform :n-bits nbits)))
21:10 asciilifeform (pss-verify :sha1 (subseq msg start end) s)) ....
21:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/732B6ECA80C1AFFFDBB3E4674BD145C574619E727D9424873C0639390EF2185E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...8387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.63.41 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.63.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (elpedro.org. DE BE)
21:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DCB6B1F4EB07F9AF71DD622786C79F80F02682EFEFD3CFFC4A3949440C154772 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9461...8009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.121 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
21:11 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66A1CED0DEFE3C7069D483AF7322FB725909DBDCDBBD55CA015687F600637935 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9461...8009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.17.133 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.17.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
21:14 * phf nods
21:19 mircea_popescu to keep with gpg ?
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21:38 phf ben_vulpes: according to master this is the reason http://glyf.org/tmp/ironclad-sha512.patch unsigned for obvious reasons
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21:41 asciilifeform original author's hands grew from what place, that he released this
21:41 phf https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/commit/83975c965392ae3ed940736c9f0f4921af4116ad
21:41 mircea_popescu i don't get it, this is the reason for what ?
21:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590676
21:43 a111 Logged on 2016-12-26 00:00 ben_vulpes: in other hashing bafflements: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xaEPR/?raw=true
21:43 mircea_popescu and who the fuck uses sha512/384 already
21:43 asciilifeform 512? v uses
21:43 mircea_popescu no, we use sha-2 512 not sha-2 384 do we
21:44 asciilifeform the former
21:44 asciilifeform afaik nobody uses 384
21:44 mircea_popescu well so then.
21:44 mircea_popescu i have nfi why it was even specified other than a love of bloat. all the bs 224 384 blabla does not belong. either you word allign or go away.
21:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes above found catastrophic ?!?? in ironclad's sha512 tho.
21:45 asciilifeform see link.
21:45 mircea_popescu i see the link. i suspect variant sha512 implementations.
21:47 asciilifeform variant == buggy
21:48 * mircea_popescu reviews fips-180-2
21:49 mircea_popescu "The SHA-1 is used to compute a message digest for a message or data file that is provided as input. The message or data file should be considered to be a bit string. The length of the message is the number of bits in the message (the empty message has length 0). If the number of bits in a message is a multiple of 8, for compactness we can represent the message in hex. The purpose of message padding is to make the total lengt
21:49 mircea_popescu h of a padded message a multiple of 512. The SHA-1 sequentially processes blocks of 512 bits when computing the message digest. The following specifies how this padding shall be performed. As a summary, a "1" followed by m "0"s followed by a 64-bit integer are appended to the end of the message to produce a padded message of length 512 * n. The 64-bit integer is l, the length of the original message. The padded message is the
21:49 mircea_popescu n processed by the SHA-1 as n 512-bit blocks."
21:50 mircea_popescu there's no half byte anywhere in there, is there ?
21:50 mircea_popescu bah im reading the old one.
21:57 mircea_popescu check that out, there's no actual fips 180 past 1 published online. because why the fuck would there be. anyway, i can't source this "The SHA512/384 spec says that the final bit length of the message is to be stored as a 128-bit (!) integer at the end of the message." assertion. as best it can be determined the blocks are either 512 (for sanity) or 1024 bits (for 384 hmac etc)
21:59 phf nah, it's gotta be online
22:00 phf http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.180-4.pdf
22:00 mircea_popescu "pdf" != published.
22:00 mircea_popescu nope.
22:00 phf i see
22:00 mircea_popescu also if they "publish" it in klyngon, or in cuneiform, or etcetera. published means it works on computers.
22:02 mircea_popescu (in principle the off-bits versions, 299, 511, whatever monkey numbers should be merely truncated versions of the immediately above hash. but who even knows by now.)
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22:45 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/732B6ECA80C1AFFFDBB3E4674BD145C574619E727D9424873C0639390EF2185E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...1507 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.63.41 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.63.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (elpedro.org. DE BE)
22:54 phf asciilifeform: http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2014/12/29/ironclads-history.html in case you were wondering "how the fuck"
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22:56 phf (i remember there being a standalone sha256 (?) version for sbcl, but i can't find it now. everything crypto that's coming up re lisp is ironclad.)
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23:29 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C547879EB8BEF6913685CF454B6838C672E76BF3A08B6AD369EFF88F7A19F18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1495...1457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.252.69.242 (ssh-rsa key from 188.252.69.242 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host242-188-252-69.limes.com.pl. PL)
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23:56 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you know ftr sourdough is supposed to be made at home.
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