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00:00 asciilifeform now let's see other folk also !
00:01 shinohai Imma stick to bash/perl
00:01 * shinohai is not lispy enough
00:02 BingoBoingo Imma stick to silk and needlepoint!
00:03 * shinohai would like to see BingoBoingo's parachute cross-stitched
00:06 BingoBoingo Not cross stitched. Needle point is for directing the silk worms as they spin parachute.
00:08 shinohai The silkworms in this area are only capable of sha1, I need better worms.
00:09 shinohai You can have them all tbh, they eat all the Mulberry trees and prevent me from harvesting great wines
00:20 BingoBoingo See that's your problem. You gotta feed them better.
00:22 BingoBoingo And by better I mean San Pedro cactus so they trip balls and naturally make parachute instead of cocoon
00:25 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i like that there's no serif glyph powered ambiguity.
00:25 mircea_popescu all that l I 1 bs.
00:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did you think bash was slow or what ?
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09:00 mircea_popescu !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vnh21/?raw=true
09:01 deedbot accepted: 1
09:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo plox to include deed url in report from now on, that way i can link to qntra piece rather than to deed from trilema.
09:02 mircea_popescu works added as a comment for eg.
09:06 mircea_popescu ^%
09:06 mircea_popescu & shares added.
09:18 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-september-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2016 Statement
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10:30 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo plox to include deed url in report from now on, that way i can link to qntra piece rather than to deed from trilema. << ty, will do.
10:32 mircea_popescu cool
10:33 shinohai Oct. 1 so happy 2nd Qntra anniversary BingoBoingo
10:34 BingoBoingo shinohai: You're a day early. Tomorrow closes year 2
10:34 shinohai Ah kk
10:34 shinohai I still have time to buy celebratory items
10:34 BingoBoingo The historical asp opposed to statementical which closes November
10:35 BingoBoingo After october statement published
10:43 mircea_popescu we should prolly have a tshirt or something.
10:43 mircea_popescu you know, "Been there, done that, got the tshirt"
10:45 BingoBoingo Maybe after we pass BitBet in lifespan
10:45 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-432380.txt
10:45 * shinohai would like to have a QNtra mascot shirt to wear to a blm protest
10:45 BingoBoingo Also those are the fakest looking cabbages and plants I've ever seen https://archive.is/gcqGH
10:48 mircea_popescu lol
11:02 BingoBoingo Litereally, the reallier looking snake plants look like they were shooped in from a home decorating magazine spread
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11:31 asciilifeform of possible reverser interest, https://derevenets.com << 'Snowman is a native code to C/C++ decompiler...' >> similar, possibly, to ida's famous 'hexray'.
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11:54 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/01/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-2/ << ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 2.
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12:14 mircea_popescu in other news, i'm penning a humongo piece, hopefully be done by tonight.
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12:30 mircea_popescu that sad moment when you look into server disk for unrelated reasons and you notice Blocks Read/sec 100.44 Blocks Written/Sec 194.83
12:31 mircea_popescu holy shit sherlock why is everything so broken ;/
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13:27 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
13:27 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 432403 | Current Difficulty: 2.4122720022999103E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 433439 | Next Difficulty In: 1036 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
13:28 adlai Estimated Next Difficulty: 260,022,823,582 (+7.79%)
13:38 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549438 << catching up on refs, i spy an involved amazon referral linking scheme, not a bad approach lol
13:38 a111 Logged on 2016-09-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://montalk.net/conspiracy/55/how-to-block-microwave-mind-programming-signals
13:39 mircea_popescu lol. quite so.
13:44 BingoBoingo Sorry for your lawn, pls to wait 7-10 years for "studies" http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/4DMG/Lawns/zoysia.htm
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14:43 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/observations-on-certain-documents-contained-in-the-history-of-the-united-states-for-the-year-1796-in-which-the-charge-of-speculation-against-alexander-hamilton-late-secretary-of-the-treasury-is-fully/ << Trilema - Observations on certain documents contained in the history of the United States for the year 1796 in which the charge of speculation against Alexander Hamilton, late secretary of the treasury is fully refuted. Written by
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15:06 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/10/bitcoin-foundation-celebrates-month-of-activity-and-release-milestone/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Foundation Celebrates Month Of Activity And RELEASE Milestone
15:10 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1821 << Loper OS - The Care and Feeding of the Sage SmartProbe.
15:11 asciilifeform trinque ^^^^^^^
15:19 asciilifeform and i forget who else.
15:19 asciilifeform ( afaik the docs were to be found literally nowhere on the net. but they are now here. )
15:19 mircea_popescu win.
15:20 mircea_popescu even later update for unpublished commands.
15:20 mircea_popescu your blog sir is becoming very cool.
15:20 asciilifeform not only commands
15:20 asciilifeform there is a mechanism whereby one can read/write the flash. i've been bolting it onto the ubiquitous 'flashrom' linux util, will be posted later.
15:21 mircea_popescu ahaha nice.
15:21 mircea_popescu mod6 four tickets eh ? great month.
15:21 asciilifeform (the tool i made for writing ~the probe's own~ flash, was posted earlier.)
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16:02 shinohai Lulzy: https://twitter.com/BTCFoundation/status/782235121009172482
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16:50 asciilifeform meanwhile,
16:51 asciilifeform !#s tarver
16:51 a111 15 results for "tarver", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tarver
16:51 asciilifeform http://www.marktarver.com/open.html << moar.
16:51 asciilifeform (apparently he links back to my www now, lulzily)
16:51 asciilifeform 'There is a certain character you see in the West; the sort of girl who paints her nails, works at KFC and dreams of being selected for X-Factor because she sang karaoke at her friend's hen night. We laugh at this because we know that for her the chances of getting mindshare and being the next Beyonce are slight. Everyone can dream; but when the girl goes on to neglect her education and development because she's stuck on this dream,
16:51 asciilifeform then something has gone very wrong in her head. The aspirations of the OS fanatic hooked on mindshare are often no more realistic than the neurotic checkout girl at KFC.' << soooomebody's been reading ze logz
16:58 asciilifeform on the other hand, if tarver - or anybody 'open source has failed!111' else - thinks that i am going to build anything whatsoever on top of his closed turd, he is smoking dope.
17:01 trinque asciilifeform: got the pill applied, last call to dump_forever() failed but the lines preceding looked to be a successful firmware write
17:01 jurov They may be smoking dope. Still, they decided to do their thing, instead of sitting on various stakes working for other people.
17:02 trinque can't get gdb connected to it yet, but connecting to it directly either with cu or telnet reports: SmartProbe: 3.2_3743
17:02 trinque so it appears the thing survived?
17:03 trinque gdb either via serial or net reports: Remote failure reply: E81
17:11 asciilifeform E81 -- 'The HDT cable is not plugged in'
17:11 asciilifeform ^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/sage_smartprobe_gdb_command_manual.html
17:11 asciilifeform and yes, if it shows 'SmartProbe: 3.2_3743' it is cured.
17:12 asciilifeform jurov: per this argument, the microshit world is where it's at.
17:12 trinque sweet!
17:12 asciilifeform trinque: naturally the probe won't do anything useful without being connected to a powered amd mobo
17:12 trinque but it is
17:12 trinque and in the right direction
17:12 asciilifeform make sure plug is in the right way
17:13 trinque cable comes out away from the board
17:14 jurov asciilifeform: reductio ad microsoftum ;)
17:14 asciilifeform see also that it has not come loose inside the probe box.
17:14 asciilifeform this has happened to me >1ce
17:16 asciilifeform one time i even had a board with bad tracks to the hdt connector.
17:16 trinque heh that just occurred to me
17:16 trinque "this seems loose...."
17:16 trinque screwdriver in hand
17:16 asciilifeform the female connector inside the probe is keyed, should not be hard to reseat.
17:17 asciilifeform jurov: unfortunately it was tarver, not i, who 'reductio ad microsoftium' -- literally! http://shenlanguage.org/professional.html << his turd requires winblows.
17:17 asciilifeform took sbcl and closed it.
17:17 asciilifeform (with Shit Bolted To The Side)
17:21 adlai "We're beginning our first commercial application - a health app for yoga enthusiasts" oh, it's a http://itsthisforthat.com/
17:21 mircea_popescu who is "mark tarver" anyway.
17:22 jurov gabriel_laddel on steroids, i guess.
17:22 mircea_popescu heh
17:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: british dude who was once a comp sci prof and quit because barfed at academia's corrupt idiocies, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-22#728961
17:22 a111 Logged on 2014-06-22 17:22 asciilifeform: 'You can routinely find lecturers with more than a hundred published papers and you marvel at these paradigms of human creativity. These are people, you think, who are fit to challenge Mozart who wrote a hundred pieces or more of music. And then you get puzzled that, in this modern world, there should be so many Mozarts - almost one for every department. The more prosaic truth emerges when you scan the titles
17:23 asciilifeform https://archive.is/tbpjB << the only afaik live copy
17:23 mircea_popescu "This essay is a lightly edited transcript of a series of posts I made to the Shen news group in the middle of 2015. They highlighted the failure of the open source initiative in the project, analysed the reasons and suggested a successful formula for moving the project forward. The posts led to the formation of the much more dynamic closed source Shen Professional. The lessons here are widely applicable to many open sourc
17:23 mircea_popescu e projects and developers may find the material interesting."
17:24 mircea_popescu myeah ok, i can't see anything past "here's tmsr in blockchain form".
17:25 asciilifeform tarver had an open source crackpot lisp system for a decade or so, then quit in disgust, then opened some commercial thing
17:26 mircea_popescu whole piece seems pretty much the #trilema talking points. including "giving away your power" unreferenced ballas - as - processed stuff etc.
17:26 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/10/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-8/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 8
17:28 mircea_popescu neway, dood is more than welcome to his delusional kingdom. not the first one.
17:28 asciilifeform i linked subj because he is not the only one in that kingdom, it quite resembles one of those glue traps for mice, and folks who 'disgusted with open source!111' tend to end up in it.
17:29 mircea_popescu or in yarvin's revolutionary-language clubs, or in "less wrong" to learn all about how to have a slavegirl while calling her a dragon or w/e is currently fashionable in manga world, and so on and so forth.
17:29 asciilifeform nah those are for young blokes
17:30 asciilifeform the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'
17:30 mircea_popescu well the old blokes tend to disappear in chumpatroniums a la http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
17:31 mircea_popescu hm, i suppose this is a different class indeed. old guy who goes to the gym and so forth. a sort of lafond pencildick version.
17:31 asciilifeform various.
17:31 mircea_popescu entirely unrelated to anything, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
17:32 asciilifeform trinque: so was the plug loose, or dud board, or wat
17:41 mircea_popescu http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog << referenced in logs, meanwhile gone
17:41 mircea_popescu this is i think the first positive case of logrot due to idiots being idiots (tarver, in this case)
17:42 asciilifeform http://marktarver.com/professor.html << it moved.
17:42 mircea_popescu aha. ty.
17:43 asciilifeform http://marktarver.com/reply.html << moar on subj
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18:03 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/10/01/social-justice-lawncare-agricultural-marxism-for-the-collective-home-lawn/ << Bingo Blog - Social Justice Lawncare: (Agri)Cultural Marxism For the Collective Home Lawn
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18:30 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
18:30 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4092.26, vol: 231309.99960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4092.26
18:36 trinque asciilifeform: reseated it inside the sage, now got E64, which seems reasonable?
18:38 asciilifeform trinque: try power cycling the board using gdb monitor commands
18:38 asciilifeform sometimes it takes some fiddling to get it into a gdb-able state.
18:39 trinque "monitor" command not supported by this target << having issued "monitor reset"
18:40 trinque any particular order to boot the devices? I figured sage, then gizmo
18:40 asciilifeform rtfm, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/sage_smartprobe_gdb_command_manual.html#sideband_commands
18:40 asciilifeform there aint no 'reset'
18:41 asciilifeform and no, gizmo first, then sage.
18:42 asciilifeform monitor Power,acpi
18:42 asciilifeform switches off mine
18:42 asciilifeform monitor Power,on
18:43 asciilifeform switches on
18:43 asciilifeform ctrl-C will halt it to where you can play
18:43 asciilifeform alternatively, monitor HaltOnReset
18:43 asciilifeform gets you to start of bios.
18:44 asciilifeform oh btw you gotta have the cpu arch set to i386 for that one, as the iron starts in 16bit mode, and gdb is too stupid to track mode switches
18:56 trinque I'll have to fiddle with it a while and figure out why I'm seeing E64, but seems like I'm close.
18:59 asciilifeform aha
18:59 asciilifeform all it means is that he cpu wasn't halted properly
19:00 asciilifeform *the
19:00 shinohai I have successfully stuffed asciilifeform 's Lamport functions into a single bash script. Now for cleanup.
19:03 mircea_popescu it's really too bad there's like nothing happening in teh republic these days.
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19:24 asciilifeform trinque: http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/43009.pdf http://amd-dev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/43366_sb7xx_bdg_pub_1.00.pdf << amd sb700 chipset docs. (and no, they do not exist in any other format, nor will they)
19:24 asciilifeform ^ what's on the gboard.
19:24 mircea_popescu are the archival bots running ? lessee
19:25 mircea_popescu oh dun work for pdfs huh
19:25 mircea_popescu jesus this shit's hard to get settled.
19:27 mircea_popescu but no, they don't work, for eg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/sage_smartprobe_gdb_command_manual.html#sideband_commands
19:27 asciilifeform strange
19:28 asciilifeform given as the latter is hand-cranked html
19:28 mircea_popescu anyway. we gotta do something with the pdfs.
19:28 asciilifeform (i personally stitched it out of the old braindamaged wiki, dumped circa july 2015)
19:28 mircea_popescu especially as they're now getting imported into fucking foundational work
19:28 asciilifeform could rasterize the thing, but it will be multi-GB.
19:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform even a pdf to png transfer, with the images pasted on a html page, would be preferrable.
19:29 mircea_popescu seeing how svg is crap
19:29 asciilifeform well yes. multi-GB.
19:29 asciilifeform who wants - go ahead, it is a 1-liner, and is in the l0gz somewhere
19:29 mircea_popescu sigh. this is a major problem in search of a solution.
19:29 asciilifeform png would also be very painful because no cut'n'paste
19:29 asciilifeform these are chip docs, with thousands of magic numbers.
19:29 mircea_popescu myea
19:30 mircea_popescu is it latexable ?
19:30 asciilifeform what's that even mean
19:30 asciilifeform is steak cow-able ?
19:30 asciilifeform spam - pig-able ?
19:30 mircea_popescu sigh.
19:30 mircea_popescu this whole tex/svg/png/pdf/fuckall thing is becoming a major problem.
19:30 mircea_popescu fucking eyesore too.
19:31 trinque asciilifeform: so far always receiving E64 when I load gdbinit.txt, gizmo is booted to the point where it asked me to press a key on the keypad
19:31 asciilifeform nobody knows what amd generated these with. could've been msword for all i know. could've been motherfucking quark express. but in any case all they published (WHEN they published anything) is pdf.
19:31 trinque the LCD on the plugged board says "press a key"
19:31 asciilifeform trinque: did you try the resets as i described here ?
19:31 asciilifeform are you able to turn the board on and off using the probe ?
19:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it seems highly unlikely that any usg.* matter will be usable verbatim anyway. we will have to maintain our own, ~correctable~ versions of their manuals anyway.
19:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha.
19:32 mircea_popescu so the notion of pigging the spam is not entirely without merit ; impossible as it may be.
19:33 mircea_popescu (this being WHY they publish in the fucking crud in the first place, of course. pdf, enemy of humanity in every which way already.)
19:33 trinque asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fdxx7/?raw=true << can't run any 'monitor' commands
19:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gotta also think about the fact that sb700 is EXTRAORDINARILY unusual in that we have chip docs at all for it.
19:33 mircea_popescu aha.
19:33 trinque but then the gizmo is not halted, right? it's asking me to press any key "to exit keypad test"
19:33 trinque upon which it cycles back through the boot process
19:34 mircea_popescu seems ~the only liable to be productive way forward is offering rewards for stolen originals.
19:34 mircea_popescu which kind-of requires working gossipd.
19:34 trinque maybe I'll just plug an empty HD
19:34 asciilifeform trinque: give me a similar dump but after you put "set debug remote 1" in your gdb config.
19:34 asciilifeform this prints raw packets.
19:34 asciilifeform and no you don't need a hd in there
19:34 asciilifeform it is guaranteed to make 0 difference
19:34 asciilifeform i never connect any to mine.
19:34 trinque asciilifeform: I already uncommented that
19:36 asciilifeform trinque: what happens if you run it second time ?
19:36 asciilifeform in a row
19:37 asciilifeform trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nkmho/?raw=true << mine, with complete debug out, fwiw
19:38 asciilifeform (connected to warm and running board)
19:38 asciilifeform you might have to get the same gdb i have, to properly compare.
19:39 trinque same no matter how many times I run. GNU gdb 6.3
19:39 trinque what vintage do you run?
19:40 asciilifeform $ gdb --version
19:40 asciilifeform GNU gdb (Gentoo 7.8.1 vanilla) 7.8.1
19:40 mircea_popescu this may be the first time alf had a HIGHER version.
19:41 asciilifeform trinque: let's do 1 small experiment
19:41 asciilifeform kill the gdb, warm up the box, and...
19:41 asciilifeform cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 -s 115200
19:41 asciilifeform after you get a 'Connected.
19:41 asciilifeform SmartProbe: 3.2_3743' followed by mac addr and a 0,
19:41 asciilifeform throw in, verbatim,
19:41 asciilifeform $qXfer:features:read:target.xml:0,4a6#16
19:42 asciilifeform this is gdb command, the syntax is simple, $COMMANDGOESHERE#CHECKSUM
19:42 asciilifeform where CHECKSUM is 'the unsigned sum of all the characters in the packet data modulo 256. It is represented as a pair of hexadecimal digits.' ( as described http://www.embecosm.com/appnotes/ean4/embecosm-howto-rsp-server-ean4-issue-2.html , section 2.3 )
19:43 trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/pbunu/?raw=true << did over telnet, got this
19:43 asciilifeform so trinque , anywhere in my paste http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nkmho/?raw=true where you see 'Sending packet' you can try the command manually
19:43 trinque k
19:43 trinque I'll also build that particular gdb
19:43 asciilifeform trinque: that's correct !
19:43 asciilifeform see my paste
19:44 asciilifeform your probe worx
19:44 trinque mega-win
19:44 asciilifeform gdb is sad though
19:44 asciilifeform i have a gigantic collection of working and nonworking ones
19:44 asciilifeform (the stock version is ~useless with mips, for instance)
19:46 asciilifeform aaah and i almost forgot, there is another possible problem. if the box you plugged the serial cable into has pissed down the line, anything whatsoever, the ethernet interface will be confounded
19:46 asciilifeform (thing is not built to be driven by two machines at 1ce)
19:47 asciilifeform i recommend to - at first - use only the usb-serial hole.
19:47 asciilifeform (you gotta power it via that hole anyway.)
19:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551269 << it is not clear that anyone knows how to do this without simply becoming a toilet for disinfo, with rapidly thinning wallet to boot
19:48 a111 Logged on 2016-10-01 23:34 mircea_popescu: seems ~the only liable to be productive way forward is offering rewards for stolen originals.
19:49 asciilifeform how do i verify that $chipdoc is not only correct but ~complete~, much less the ~original~..?
19:50 asciilifeform or that it does not contain subtle lie (this is a problem with every single example extant, including the one linked earlier, they have subtle deviations from what the actual silicon does, we know this from YEARS of thankless sweat by various linux folk)
19:56 trinque newer gdb worked great. I'll now write up my notes, did all this from openbsd.
19:57 trinque only differences were /dev/cuaU0 and installing recent gdb
19:57 asciilifeform heeeeeeeeere we go.
19:57 asciilifeform congrats trinque !
19:57 trinque ty very much for the pill, asciilifeform
19:57 asciilifeform yw trinque .
19:58 asciilifeform that pill was ~3 mo. of work, at one time.
19:58 * asciilifeform bbl -- there is much meat.
19:58 trinque enjoy.
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21:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is that.
21:02 mircea_popescu and ftr this mentoring session in hardware fucking has been a treat to watch :D
21:03 mircea_popescu meanwhile somewhere else, http://67.media.tumblr.com/1b765c015a5358761162431aa209b246/tumblr_mxy7d4P7HV1t8btbqo1_1280.jpg
21:10 deedbot http://trinque.org/2016/10/01/sage-smartprobe-rehabilitated/ << trinque - Sage SmartProbe Rehabilitated
21:22 mircea_popescu ahaha snatched comment #1.
21:25 trinque cheers mp!
21:26 * trinque bbl
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21:59 shinohai BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/lawncare/comments/55fljr/social_justice_lawncare_agricultural_marxism_for/d8a9ygs <<< lol
21:59 shinohai what did I expect
22:02 mircea_popescu good for a minilol.
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23:14 BingoBoingo shinohai: tyvm
23:15 shinohai I rather enjoyed that piece
23:16 BingoBoingo I was applying a healthy dose of priviledge to my lawn today and the idea came to me.
23:20 shinohai I have the privilege of having no lawn of my own to dose.
23:24 BingoBoingo Well you're in Georgia. You would have the unenviable task of neighbors trying to grow lawn cancer.
23:32 shinohai In Georgia, the epitome of great lawncare is seeing how many dilapidated cars you can have sitting on cinder blocks.
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23:55 BingoBoingo Still better than Bermudagrass
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