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02:17 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/30/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-1/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 1.
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08:12 diana_coman !!up wawan99
08:12 deedbot wawan99 voiced for 30 minutes.
08:12 wawan99 !!register http://pastebin.com/nupCdCi2
08:12 deedbot Import failed for wawan99.
08:13 diana_coman try with it raw wawan99 ...
08:14 wawan99 !!register http://pastebin.com/EqNRb7Hu
08:14 deedbot Import failed for wawan99.
08:15 wawan99 !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y93ld/?raw=true
08:15 deedbot 624D1813BF2C8100A37574C51CC8B8555168C955 registered as wawan99.
08:15 wawan99 so what the next step after this diana_coman
08:18 diana_coman download the eulora client and compile it/check it works on your machine; ask for an account; preferably don't quit the irc session, just leave it on until Mircea comes around to make you the account
08:18 wawan99 i already download the Eulora app
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09:50 thestringpuller eulora has an app now?
09:53 shinohai Surefire way to set your Galaxy Note 7 afire
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10:23 mircea_popescu !!key wawan99
10:23 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/56p59/?raw=true
10:23 mircea_popescu !!key leo100
10:24 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/y74pc/?raw=true
10:33 shinohai !!up kaustin
10:33 deedbot kaustin voiced for 30 minutes.
10:34 kaustin !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9s1wb/?raw=true
10:34 deedbot F190CDF4CD9484D807F2F41BB1E054F7216294CC registered as kaustin.
10:35 mircea_popescu ahh the new link process is so many thousand times better. wd trinque
10:36 shinohai It has saved on my crayon bill for sure.
10:36 mircea_popescu wtf was that anyway, "go do this and then wait for its imperial majesty usg.sks for until they feel like it". since when!
10:39 mircea_popescu kaustin http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bzvvp/?raw=true
10:40 * asciilifeform sifted through a day's worth of 'cat-v' shitpile, found it quite sufficient
10:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o did you ? i was sitting here wondering if i'm gonna or not.
10:41 mircea_popescu saw last night a lengthy wail about where to buy a laptop on a 100 bux budget from unemployed derps. kinda looking for an excuse to just close it without looking.
10:41 asciilifeform actually that was when i closed.
10:42 mircea_popescu i guess ima skim.
10:43 asciilifeform these folk achieve a rare combination of boredom and actively-infuriating 'sanitation is an affront to the great serpent!11' unwashed orcdom.
10:44 asciilifeform 'money is what beer is bought with,' '100 $ laptop,' 'stop logging us,' etc.
10:45 shinohai Wasn't exactly "employed" when I bought new lappy ... simply found work for Bitcoin and purchased the one I wanted.
10:47 mircea_popescu myeah, ok, there's nothing there.
10:47 asciilifeform old, fossilized corpse of ???.
10:48 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:48 asciilifeform somewhat like a livelier current-day #bitcoin-assets
10:49 mircea_popescu shinohai these are some unemployed dorks who scoff at random "mayor of ???" because you know, being an anal child with an internet connection puts the adolescentine mind in this superlative position of JUDGE TOI ALL THINGS, PART OF NONE! ; then their budget for laptops is 100 bux but they scoff at a five laying on the ground, and such following forever. are anonymous, pretend famous people justify themselves to them, on in th
10:49 mircea_popescu is manner forever.
10:50 shinohai Follow directions in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ , save thy Bits, and in no time at all you can buy something considerably better than $100 laptop
10:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these same folk are equally insufferable when their budget is 100k, it is a mental thing
10:51 mircea_popescu sure. just mentioned because it'd be an opportunity for 'em to grasp the problem.
10:51 mircea_popescu not so many 5k bills laying on ground, so 100k folks don't get this opportunity.
10:51 mircea_popescu (and in general - it is always and everywhere A LOT more work to be poor than to be rich. it's just idiots are REALLY dedicated to being stupid, much moreso than the other group.)
10:52 asciilifeform actually, at least here in the motherland of p.t. barnum, there are countless '5k bills' on the ground
10:52 asciilifeform but they are shaped like 'don't's
10:52 asciilifeform non-participations in various idiocies
10:52 mircea_popescu aha
10:52 mircea_popescu they generally are shaped like don't.
10:52 asciilifeform 'don't car loan', 'don't mortgage', ...
10:59 mircea_popescu in other news, this whole "noobs meet bitcoin, rsa and deedbot via eulora" thing is so very instructive.
11:00 mircea_popescu i don't think one can properly appreciate how broken "thought process" is in general population unless they do such. or try to teach. or try to tech support. or practice law. or so following.
11:00 mircea_popescu civil rights ? give me a fucking break, giving the average joe any rights is no different from dressing up a sow.
11:00 asciilifeform 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?!'
11:03 mircea_popescu and those were mps huh.
11:03 asciilifeform aha.
11:09 asciilifeform in other lulz, '...And as commander he was given special permission by Heinrich Himmler to discipline his men however he wished, up to and including executing them. This was an extraordinary privilege for an officer of the German Army, which normally had judicial procedures like any other military force. In the entire millions-strong Wehrmacht, only Dirlewanger had this authority, and he used it liberally... But while he had this mur
11:09 asciilifeform derous authority, Dirlewanger, paradoxically, was also very close to his men. He had a tendency to use informal language and address them by their first names, which was extremely unusual for a German officer. He drank with them, he raped and murdered with them, acted as if he was one of them. He also fought with them, making a point of being in the action far more than most officers of his rank. His calm under fire and his nearly su
11:09 asciilifeform pernatural belonging earned him the impossibly ironic nickname of “Gandhi” among his men.'
11:10 asciilifeform https://archive.is/Ucy0Y << american wanker 'gets it,' but 'doesn't like getting it'
11:10 asciilifeform pretty typical, imho, example.
11:13 mircea_popescu !!rate kaustin -1 Really, scamming for five bux ? Get a job.
11:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtngd/?raw=true
11:13 mircea_popescu !!rate dharkmadder -1 Really, scamming for five bux ? Get a job.
11:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/1wciq/?raw=true
11:14 mircea_popescu that didn't take so long now did it.
11:14 * shinohai snickers
11:14 shinohai I actually wondered how long that would take
11:15 asciilifeform what were these, no-shows ?
11:15 mircea_popescu nah, cloning self for reward.
11:17 asciilifeform and dumb enough for it to be obvious ?!
11:17 mircea_popescu how could it not be fucking obvious, they're running my software.
11:23 phf sort of how hapless adventurers sometimes find themselves in a village that's poised on a back of a whale, they always start getting rumbustious, thus waking up the whale and suffering the consequences
11:24 asciilifeform i thought it was normally a dragon.
11:24 phf also sometimes a giant
11:28 mircea_popescu human nature, eh ?
11:28 mircea_popescu how the fuck isn't it human nature to do something useful with oneself ?
11:28 mircea_popescu that's the one fucking thing that never seems to be human nature.
11:29 shinohai Also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812964
11:32 phf https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1507768.msg16411192#msg16411192 hehe
11:33 shinohai Kinda just blew his chances at that anytime soon.
11:34 mircea_popescu lol. for the record, http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/#selection-137.0-141.0
11:36 shinohai https://archive.is/Xj5xU <<< In other scams, accept more 0-conf tx's
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12:34 thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-forward-looking-statement-august-2016/#selection-103.181-103.230 << seems all games eventually need marketing
12:34 thestringpuller altho it's interesting given the context here >> http://trilema.com/2013/i-have-no-idea-why-rape-is-against-the-law-while-marketing-is-not/
12:43 mircea_popescu in other lulz : gcc 5 produces eulora binary that works normally ; gcc 6 produces eulora binary that inexplicably works at 0.5 to 1.5 fps.
12:43 mircea_popescu "optimizations" you see. do moar upgrades.
12:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the definitions involved are at variance.
12:45 shinohai mircea_popescu: gcc6 wouldn't produce binary for me at all :/
12:45 mircea_popescu oh ?
12:45 mircea_popescu i thought that's what made the sad thing you used before
12:46 shinohai Nah last night when I started build it repeatedly failed, so when I compared `env` I noticed that it was using gcc6 on new Jessie
12:47 shinohai switch back to 5 and had 0 issues
12:50 mircea_popescu ah
12:51 shinohai progress
12:52 asciilifeform woah 5
12:52 asciilifeform i've yet to see 5 do much other than barf
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13:49 mircea_popescu since september is coming to an end, http://67.media.tumblr.com/aedab12f8a94fb4669c89c546eeb8c94/tumblr_n79sbqIp4j1swhcdao1_1280.jpg
13:51 phf could there be anything more russian
13:51 mircea_popescu she's too dark though neh ?
13:52 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ << Trilema - cat-v.org. Adnotated.
13:52 phf nah, russians bronze when exposed to a lot of sun
13:55 mircea_popescu in the hair ?!
13:56 phf oh oh
13:57 mircea_popescu i mean maybe she's turkish warbooty or w/e, sure.
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14:25 phf dirtied up by the khan
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14:52 PeterL scoopbot is getting a message of "blocked by cloudflare" when trying to submit links to archive.is, I am taking him offline until I figure out what is going on
14:53 phf :}
14:53 mircea_popescu well now, found a totally epic bug in fucking footnotes
14:55 PeterL dos it have to do with the way the color did not end properly at the bottom of the quote from the cat-v chan?
14:56 mircea_popescu no, apparently a href reference in footnote kills the footnote title somehow
14:57 PeterL http://archive.is/iJ4K7#selection-6731.0-6731.121 looked funny on archive.is, but it looks okay when I load the page directly
14:58 mircea_popescu so far also getting multiple DIFFERENT page renders on the same god damned basic html in various browswers
14:58 PeterL is this going to be a html is shit rant?
14:59 mircea_popescu i have nfi what's going on.
15:04 mircea_popescu ironically, i think the <p> <br /> style construction overwhelms some sort of secret buffer in "process html soup" render engine, resulting in the spwer seen in firefox/archive.is
15:04 shinohai looks garbled to me too
15:05 PeterL so I was playing with the lamport-parachute scripts, and if I run any of them without any arguments it should just print "usage: ...", right? Instead it is closing the terminal window I ran it in?
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15:05 mircea_popescu now why the fuck does the wp output <p> <br /> is anyone's guess.
15:06 PeterL It is trying to guess what you mean instead of letting you tell it what you want?
15:09 mircea_popescu actually it seems to convert <font color=lightgray> into <span style="color: #000000;"> ; as none of the font tags are actually ever closed, it results in span overflow and death.
15:09 mircea_popescu here's a lulz : all extant implementations of html have A FIXED SPAN BUFFER.
15:09 mircea_popescu ima write a lolpiece after i fix this.
15:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-30#1550771 << waiwat?! running on what ?
15:10 a111 Logged on 2016-09-30 19:05 PeterL: so I was playing with the lamport-parachute scripts, and if I run any of them without any arguments it should just print "usage: ...", right? Instead it is closing the terminal window I ran it in?
15:10 mircea_popescu windows i'd guess
15:10 PeterL ubuntu
15:10 mircea_popescu ok trilema fixed.
15:11 asciilifeform PeterL: all 4 of'em ?
15:11 PeterL yeah, they all did the same
15:11 asciilifeform what does a script with just exit 1 do ?
15:14 PeterL nothing
15:15 PeterL hrm, now I tried it again and it worked normally
15:15 asciilifeform burn ubuntu. with flamethrower. problem -- solved.
15:16 asciilifeform it ain't linux - esp. not with the weird broken gui on it
15:16 mircea_popescu hey, nondeterministic runs are entertainment!
15:16 PeterL aha, figured it out: if I do "./scriptname" it works, ". scriptname" closes window
15:18 mircea_popescu well yes.
15:18 asciilifeform noshit
15:18 asciilifeform . in bash == 'source'
15:18 asciilifeform runs in current shell. so exit(1) exits...
15:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform . --help doesn't work though!
15:19 PeterL and how is that different from ./ ?
15:19 asciilifeform no subshell.
15:19 shinohai Per asciilifeform 's instruction to roll yer own, I am doing surgery to put it all in one script
15:19 asciilifeform shinohai: enjoy
15:20 asciilifeform i'd relish seeing N implementations, in N+1 langs, like we had for 'v'.
15:20 mircea_popescu PeterL ./file opens a shell, runs the file, reports results ; . file runs file in current shell, reports results one up.
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15:36 mircea_popescu in other news, it's kinda funny to read imdb reviews of bad 2016 movies.
15:51 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/the-good-guys/ << Trilema - The Good Guys
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17:15 asciilifeform to briefly continue the unix-is-retarded thread, there is the marvel of gnu screen.
17:16 asciilifeform which, unlike a sane program, cannot be easily terminated from the outside, though it is a userland process
17:16 asciilifeform and dozens of dead 'gnu screens' typically hang around on a box where it is made use of.
17:16 shinohai D:
17:16 asciilifeform (thing hangs on to a pty, so will not die simply from, e.g., nuking the xterm from which you ran it)
17:17 asciilifeform nor is it easily killed in-band, because it is a terminaltron and expects C-c etc.
17:18 asciilifeform most infuriatingly, the manual specifies various ways to kill it, which, depending on what it is plugged into, may or may not work. and may or may not emit some sort of mortal piss down the line, which could be connected to a nuke for all knows, before death.
17:19 asciilifeform if somebody would like to recommend some proggy for speaking to serial ports that 1) isn't gnu screen 2) doesn't shit all over the living room precisely like gnu screen 3) doesn't have 'gui' --- i'm all ears.
17:20 asciilifeform the most agonizing thing in this example is that i am quite unsure if the ills are even curable. they may be intrinsic to the 'in-band problem' of a terminal talker.
17:21 mircea_popescu i actually use it a lot.
17:21 asciilifeform i use it daily
17:21 asciilifeform for decade now.
17:21 mircea_popescu can be killed via kill for the pid. or otherwise, reattach and close.
17:21 asciilifeform but most folks i've met use it specifically to hang on to sessions
17:21 asciilifeform but i DO NOT WANT to kill -9 it.
17:21 mircea_popescu so then reattach.
17:22 * adlai uses tmux
17:22 asciilifeform well no, because i have other proggies that need to monopolize THAT port.
17:22 asciilifeform when i'm not manually diddling it.
17:22 asciilifeform i use screen as a sort of 'kermit', rather than the typical use, a kind of souped-up 'nohup'.
17:22 mircea_popescu sounds like you really want to use tmux not screen
17:23 asciilifeform again no.
17:23 adlai what disqualifies tmux?
17:23 asciilifeform i want to 1) manually talk to a serial port for a short while 2) FULLY LET GO OF IT so various things can open() it.
17:23 mircea_popescu ah that doesn't exist.
17:23 mircea_popescu either you want to manually, hence screen ; or you do not, hence tmux.
17:24 asciilifeform aaaaand they both SHIT nonprintable rubbish down the line.
17:24 asciilifeform which needs to be a never.
17:24 asciilifeform shit strictly what gets pushed on motherfucking keyboard.
17:24 mircea_popescu kbd can and does push nonprintables.
17:24 asciilifeform why was this hard, i'd like to know.
17:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idk about yours, but mine shits exactly 2: linefeed and del.
17:25 mircea_popescu and ctrl-c
17:25 mircea_popescu and ^H
17:25 mircea_popescu and other things.
17:25 asciilifeform at any rate i'd like the option of losing'em
17:25 asciilifeform when talking to iron box.
17:26 asciilifeform but, interestingly, no such knob exists.
17:26 asciilifeform afaik.
17:26 mircea_popescu so you want a tmux that has all the ease of handling of screen / a screen that has all the scripting inclination of tmux + an ascii filter.
17:26 mircea_popescu i can totally see why this should exist.
17:27 asciilifeform mno, just proggy that puts bytes from stdio DOWN a serial line, and spits back what comes back, until SELECTABLE magical cyanide pill is given to it, at which point it lets THE FUCK GO of the tty.
17:28 mircea_popescu well so far this matches screen, you can ctrl-alt-k iirc to pill it.
17:28 asciilifeform nope
17:28 asciilifeform dun do nuffin on my box.
17:28 asciilifeform nor C-c C-/
17:28 mircea_popescu wtf was it
17:29 asciilifeform Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06
17:29 asciilifeform the only thing that works is detach-and-kill
17:29 asciilifeform which is retarded.
17:30 mircea_popescu screen -S id -X quit works.
17:30 asciilifeform do not want
17:30 mircea_popescu get id from screen -list
17:30 asciilifeform want FROM THE TERMINAL
17:30 mircea_popescu why not ?
17:30 mircea_popescu it is from the terminal.
17:30 asciilifeform the selfsame terminal!
17:30 asciilifeform fuck context-switching.
17:30 mircea_popescu ctrl-a k will kill from terminal.
17:30 asciilifeform it does not.
17:30 mircea_popescu i just did it lol.
17:32 asciilifeform i even know why it works for mircea_popescu
17:32 mircea_popescu why ?
17:32 asciilifeform it is because he probably has a vt100-like thing on the other end.
17:32 asciilifeform and i - never do.
17:33 mircea_popescu hm.
17:33 asciilifeform i have $iron-that-might-emit-literally-anything-in-response-to-literally-anything.
17:33 mircea_popescu well this is rapidly becoming a tall order.
17:33 asciilifeform and this appears to trigger weird behaviour in 'screen'.
17:34 asciilifeform mno. in no bible is it written that the escapes are allowed to stop working if the thing sees some octet it is allergic to in-band FROM OTHER SIDE.
17:34 mircea_popescu i dunno that the screen to insulate operator from "iron-that-might-emit-literally-anything-in-response-to-literally-anything" was ever baked. in nuclear physics or theoretical math.
17:34 asciilifeform they're motherfucking octets
17:34 asciilifeform eat it, shit it, verbatim, this is hard??
17:34 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
17:43 mircea_popescu and in other stale lulz, https://strongloop.com/strongblog/collaboration-not-derision-in-the-node-community/
17:43 asciilifeform lel folx pm'ing me re various proggies that do not solve the problem.
17:44 mircea_popescu do you know why ? because of the dumbass in the intro of that very link!
17:44 mircea_popescu to quote :
17:44 mircea_popescu "Here’s what I learned from my mentors: If someone makes a mistake, or does something you don’t think is right, you talk to them about it privately and give them the opportunity to correct it. This not only gets the mistake corrected, but it offers a learning moment to the person, increases their understanding, and keeps them “on board” with the overall project. As a leader you’re being empathetic to that person and
17:44 mircea_popescu offering them benefit of the doubt. Often they aren’t being malicious they just don’t understand why something should be done a certain way. Why not teach them? Put yourself in their shoes and ask, “What do I know that this person doesn’t know, which would cause me to act like them in this situation if I didn’t know it.” That’s the very definition of empathy. Public shaming elicits people’s fight/flight respo
17:44 mircea_popescu nse and it’s hard for them to learn in this state which is why a private consultation is more effective."
17:44 mircea_popescu this imbecility is widely accepted by now. however - there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRIVATE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.
17:45 * asciilifeform kept waiting for some mention of gavin and only half a minute or so in finally realized that it is not about prb nodes
17:45 mircea_popescu it's a miserable anchor for identity, this "ways we do things" ; and for that matter the sort of brain that doesn't take well to public discussion of technology is fundamentally broken in ways that should be addressed long before any technological involvement.
17:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not terribly far off. node.js is ~same crud by ~same people.
17:46 asciilifeform i still have roughly nfi what it was for.
17:47 trinque asciilifeform: "cu" on openbsd seems pretty minimalistic, dunno if it meets your requirements.
17:47 trinque has an escape to detach
17:50 asciilifeform trinque: almost what i want! thx
17:50 asciilifeform any idea how to make it quit immediately rather than stalling for an entire second ?
17:50 asciilifeform BUGS
17:50 asciilifeform This program does not work very well.
17:50 asciilifeform ^ from the man page on my box. gold.
17:51 trinque ahaha
17:51 asciilifeform ^ at least honest !1111
17:51 trinque nah, I've only used it a few times fiddling with routers and things.
17:51 trinque but the sauce looks like a quick read.
17:52 ben_vulpes https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 << hah! someone using a 'zedshaw' handle chimes in, even.
17:53 trinque oh christ, alex gaynor is a django "dev"
17:53 ben_vulpes working /for/ the usg.
17:54 shinohai V even solves the problem of gendered pronouns in software development. Is there anything it can't do?
17:54 ben_vulpes come on brosephim. you're 'working' on node.js, the very government shows up to regender your codebase and you decide to get uppity?
17:54 ben_vulpes get real, you lost a decade ago.
17:55 mircea_popescu shinohai note that the whole "talk privately" bullshit is VERY much how usgtardism spread. they know that openly pushing the koolaid will get them excruciated. but apparently esltards are VERY vulnerable to 1 on 1.
17:57 asciilifeform trinque: 'cu' is a mega-win compared to what i had prior. ty.
17:57 mircea_popescu anyway ; back in 2013, pre-republic, when idiots with their hissy fits actually got people "teaching moments" ; compare and contrast with 2016, post republic, where francis rowe is about on par with roadkill for reputation.
17:57 trinque asciilifeform: cheers
17:58 asciilifeform !!rated trinque
17:58 deedbot asciilifeform rated trinque 1 at 2015/08/01 16:36:05 << therealbitcoin testing
17:58 asciilifeform !!rate trinque 2 magnificent master of modems
17:58 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/bm5av/?raw=true
17:59 ben_vulpes in other fiat lolz: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-goldman-sachs-libya/
17:59 mircea_popescu now that's a cool title.
17:59 asciilifeform !!v A1B5C29E5B4DAEF86C437AC3043C86B7268F620F161CFC7E82CD6AFB4A30BDE5
17:59 deedbot asciilifeform updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << magnificent master of modems
17:59 mircea_popescu lmao. i'm sure they "lost" it.
18:00 ben_vulpes title is entirely misleading.
18:00 ben_vulpes piece is about 1.2 bn of options lia "didn't understand"
18:01 mircea_popescu so how is it misleading ? usg stole some money from lybia post invasion.
18:01 ben_vulpes stole, lost...
18:01 asciilifeform wai wat, why ELSE invade ?!
18:02 asciilifeform granted, sometimes idiots forget to 'first you pillage, THEN you burn'
18:02 ben_vulpes i see "lost", think "what, lost account number?", i see "stole" think "ahaha, what hilarious paper did gs swindle the goatfuckers into buying this time?"
18:02 mircea_popescu gaddafi's own jacques de molay moment.
18:04 asciilifeform 'In June 2011, Pope Benedict XVI apologized for the killing of De Molay and acknowledged that he was a victim of false accusations. ' << mega-lel.
18:06 mircea_popescu did he return the dough also ?
18:06 asciilifeform what do you think, lol.
18:07 mircea_popescu i'm going to have to go with door number no.
18:08 asciilifeform (return... to whom?? to NthRepublic ?)
18:08 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/the-nice-guys/ << Trilema - The Nice Guys
18:10 mircea_popescu in other news who the fuck is "alex gaynor"
18:11 mircea_popescu "I work for the United States Digital Service." oh ok.
18:11 ben_vulpes 'tis in the log
18:12 mircea_popescu aha.
18:12 asciilifeform 'The United States Digital Service is a startup at the White House that pairs the country’s top technology talent with the best public servants, to improve the usefulness and reliability of the country’s most important digital services.' << l0l!!
18:12 asciilifeform '…what we realized was that we could potentially build a SWAT team, a world-class technology office inside of the government that was helping agencies. We’ve dubbed that the U.S. Digital Service…they are making an enormous difference… President Barack Obama, March 2016'
18:12 ben_vulpes oh this is news around here?!
18:13 mircea_popescu yes. we don't really give so much of a shit about inept usg wanna-bes.
18:13 asciilifeform when did 'swat team' stop referring to troop of gestapo breaking, entering, raping
18:13 ben_vulpes thing came out of the "marketplace" shitshow.
18:13 ben_vulpes "healthcare marketplace"
18:13 asciilifeform 'startup at the whitehouse' ??
18:13 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes actually thing came out of chicago.
18:13 mircea_popescu it is traditional in eastern tyrannies for whatever ethnic group of the new sultan to drag in a whole clan from the provinces.
18:14 mircea_popescu hence this fuck, that chowdry fuckface etc.
18:14 mircea_popescu chowdhry*
18:15 asciilifeform lulzily enough, there was a 1950s version of this, still mega-budgeted, 'white house communications agency'
18:15 asciilifeform (iirc it was under nsa jurisdiction at one time)
18:16 mircea_popescu gotta make a new one for each new generation of fucks, because well, as seen recently they have all the social skills of a mollusc and so can't work with anyone else but "their friends"
18:16 asciilifeform well yeah, they never get garbagecollected
18:16 asciilifeform only layered.
18:18 ben_vulpes hmfic also wants to install 'their friends' at managerial payrolls. wouldn't do at all to bring them in as toilet scrubbers in the 'white house communications agency'. 'but but i'm more important to just be a cog in an existing organization -- we need our own new best shiniest!'
18:18 mircea_popescu "a country which entirely consists of managers"
18:18 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the strange thing is that nothing, theoretically, stops obamitler from installing them as top brass
18:19 mircea_popescu gotta have progress.
18:19 asciilifeform but the interesting thing is that, per tradition, u.s. civil service brass is powerless to remove middle managers
18:19 asciilifeform so new bureaus are created after every election cycle.
18:19 mircea_popescu to install them as top brass in existing offices would a) mean that women are disgusting cocksuckers ; b) mean that niggers don't have the right to vote and c) prevent any maintenance work from ever happening in all of wash dc.
18:19 mircea_popescu how do you think the places are ever fumigated, painted, etc ?
18:20 mircea_popescu ~only by creating a new "department of office of authority of czar for things and matters"
18:20 mircea_popescu anyway, epic blogpost, that.
18:20 mircea_popescu "This isn't merely a legalistic concern (though that too, certainly), but also a technical one: we believe that empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well."
18:21 asciilifeform the bush-II folk had brilliant 'solution', they created 'dhs', a uniquely braindamaged conglomerate bureau which subsumed half a dozen old ones, and is so peculiarly 'dilbertian hell' that the employee turnover there is now ~6 mo.
18:21 mircea_popescu soon it'll be entirely run on interns. you know, like ibm./
18:22 ben_vulpes > almost certainly
18:22 asciilifeform ibm... is ~run~?!
18:22 asciilifeform i thought it were just this tomb.
18:22 ben_vulpes > we believe
18:22 trinque can't argue with that.
18:23 ben_vulpes i believe that node.js and the white house are undifferentiable flaming piles of shit.
18:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he's guilty of could have been guilty almost certainly.
18:23 mircea_popescu epistola erubiscet.
18:25 ben_vulpes thoughtcrime.
18:27 ben_vulpes "your gender equality mission is a cultural hegemony attack on the embattled nerd culture, and triggers all sorts of auto immune responses costing joyent and co millions in nerd productivity by inducing them to rage fruitlessly at their keyboards"
18:30 mircea_popescu not even a bad statement.
18:31 mircea_popescu "While we would fire Ben over this, node.js is an open source project and one doesn't necessarily have the same levers." aka "we've not yet managed to steal ben's work, but will posture as if anyway!!1"
18:31 mircea_popescu fucking retards.
18:32 mircea_popescu if anyone ever hires bryan cantrill i wish to see how will they face me.
18:33 mircea_popescu !!up fromloper
18:33 deedbot fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
18:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17927 << for the record peterl is right. wtf is this "update genesis" bs ?
18:45 mircea_popescu and in other hoarding news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/37bf4b58a447c9b3ae42882d92b84427/tumblr_ndd6cznHtK1rl9p9mo1_500.gif
~ 32 minutes ~
19:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same thing as was with the version-string regrind.
19:18 asciilifeform it is 100% pointless to distribute a single-author proggy as 'and here is the broken ver, and here is when i fixed it, get these 100 patches'
19:19 asciilifeform it made marginally more sense re the trb patch, but even there mircea_popescu insisted on the regrind.
19:20 asciilifeform last i saw, mircea_popescu doesn't host versions of his articles with old typos still in'em, anywhere
19:20 asciilifeform and, incidentally, recall that we reground the trb genesis once.
19:20 asciilifeform (when removing the timestamps)
~ 36 minutes ~
19:57 mircea_popescu i suppose. not like the machine cares you know, it'll just collect the patches.
19:58 asciilifeform aha
19:58 asciilifeform who wants the old crud - is welcome to his copy of it.
19:58 asciilifeform it will stop being 'longest chain' soon enough.
20:01 mircea_popescu and in other holes, http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcu1ydFRTS1rji4nzo1_1280.jpg
20:02 asciilifeform good old king vlad t didn't finish a job, or wat.
20:04 mircea_popescu apparently.
~ 35 minutes ~
20:39 ben_vulpes in other open sores chuckles "The encoded strings in the tests were created with Andresen's unmodified code, so they are correct. Probably."
20:51 ben_vulpes oh god the lols keep pouring out: "This bitcoind address validator is a subclass of the Django forms.CharField class" linked from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026.0
20:51 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-October/000235.html
20:58 shinohai ty mod6
21:00 phf asciilifeform: the blog post presumably will always link to the latest version?
21:01 phf only issue with the regrind approach is clerical. it's easy to keep track of "this new thing that i don't have", much harder to keep all the "this old thing that i have is now new thing" updates
21:02 mod6 shinohai: o7 thank, /you/, Sir.
21:05 phf oh that was entirely unfair thing to do, apparently a111 wasn't in limbo, but it's happy sept to oct log rotation day
21:07 ben_vulpes saturday the first of october, in which ben_vulpes (re?)discovers that bitcoin uses its own inane encoding scheme for addresses
21:07 shinohai a111 is staging a October revolution perhaps
21:08 ben_vulpes addrs have a bloody checksum; dafuq is this "human mistake amelioration" crap
21:09 * ben_vulpes would dearly like to know how base58 is not another wart of pointless complexity
~ 15 minutes ~
21:25 phf heh, scalpl is now part of quicklisp
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21:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i like base 58 and the checksum. and i like the little metal flaps on wrong side of saw
~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~
23:13 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what do you like about b58? the checksum should be all that's necessary, right?
23:18 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-23#1383335 possibly related?
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23:18 a111 Logged on 2016-01-23 22:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383219 <<< i wouldn't buy a thing with "SawStop (tm)" and i certainly don't want to HAVE to.
23:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551014 << encode your addrs in morse if you like. and throw out fire extinguisher, disconnect ground stake to your house, whatever floats yer boat.
23:26 a111 Logged on 2016-10-01 03:18 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-23#1383335 possibly related?
23:27 phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/327488 lamport parachute PoC in common lisp (it has soft dependency on ironclad for sha256, but otherwise follows the design in that own function can be substituted)
23:27 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what'd have been wrong with b64?
23:27 ben_vulpes o cool phf
23:27 ben_vulpes shit
23:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: confusable letters
23:27 ben_vulpes i'm going to have to do it in ruby at this rate
23:27 asciilifeform phf: spiffy
23:28 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the checksum should address that, no?
23:29 asciilifeform phf: you have times in there. what was it running on?
23:30 asciilifeform i ask because it does not appear to be substantially faster than the shell script..
23:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: theoretically
23:31 phf darwin lispworks 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7
23:31 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: again, make whatever encoder you like, folks have done so in the past, e.g., the barcode thing
23:31 asciilifeform phf: so ~=same as bash cpu cycle-wise!
23:31 asciilifeform surreal.
23:32 shinohai At least asciilifeform was kind enough to present this in bash
23:32 shinohai Now I shall see parentheses in my sleep
23:34 phf i suspect that the text marshaling that shell script does (as far as overhead over "pure c") is insubstantial compared to otherwise demanding and ~~cpu level sha256
23:34 shinohai >>> ;;Great boobies honeybun, my lower intestine is full of spam
23:34 shinohai xD
23:34 asciilifeform phf: holy shit, 134MB!???
23:34 asciilifeform for what??
23:34 phf actually that time is totally random, because it involves reading privkey out of /dev/random
23:35 asciilifeform fine, but the conses!?
23:35 asciilifeform 134MB?
23:35 asciilifeform wai.
23:39 phf hmm, it's all ironclad's sha256. doing it with a dummy #(0 ...) digest drops it to 4.6mb
23:40 asciilifeform waaaait
23:40 asciilifeform why does computing sha2 cons at all??!
23:40 asciilifeform it's a fucking constant space op
23:40 asciilifeform this makes 0 sense.
23:41 asciilifeform wtf is even ~in~ ironclad, i thought it called out to openssl in c ffi, or similar horror
23:41 asciilifeform does the thing leak?
23:41 phf no wai, ironclad is pure lisp
23:41 asciilifeform mno
23:42 asciilifeform at least not my copy
23:42 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/10/qntra-s-qntr-september-2016-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2016 Report
23:43 phf well, then you have a hitler diddled copy, ironclad's tagline always has been "entirely in common lisp"
23:43 asciilifeform could've sworn it had callouts.
23:43 asciilifeform https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/blob/master/src/digests/sha256.lisp << phf is right re current one
23:44 asciilifeform yet there can be no excuse for it consing
23:44 asciilifeform barbaric.
23:44 phf ugh
23:45 phf i suspect what's happening is that the convenience call in that i'm using is allocating digest support structs on each invocation
23:46 asciilifeform also this was running on a box with iron rng?
23:46 asciilifeform or why does phf's /dev/random work so well.
23:47 phf we've had this thread, and i'm not going into that one again
23:47 asciilifeform link?
23:48 asciilifeform i ask because on any of my boxes with linux 3.x, i get maybe 1kB/minute from /dev/random unless i have rng plugged in.
23:51 phf darwin's /dev/random is marginally slower than /dev/urandom, but then it's a closed source os, for all i know both feed directly from nsa headquarters
23:52 phf though i think /dev/random is still in the opensourced parts of os
23:53 asciilifeform would be interesting to learn how it worx
23:53 asciilifeform which mac did phf use ?
23:53 phf 10.9
23:54 phf but! this was the extent of my free hacking time for this weekend. if there aren't any glaring bugs i might attempt to make it cons-free
23:54 asciilifeform hmm i think i have an example of phf's selfsame mac here !
23:54 asciilifeform will have to look into their rng at some point.
23:55 asciilifeform phf: it is not imho important to optimize parachute for speed. lamportron per se is nearly the ultimate waste of cpu and space in crypto world ...
23:58 phf pure as a lisp exercise
23:59 asciilifeform anyway kudos to phf for actually solving this exercise
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