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00:03 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502702 << only as imposed by resource constraints. If the deps don't make it through the process I'll be at the keyboard tomorrow and will help make it happen.
00:03 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 02:11 mod6: trinque: is there a max length for deeds? (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large)
00:04 trinque mp's gnupg made it through, was a couple megs
00:04 trinque what's an order of magnitude or two ?!
00:06 * trinque afk
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01:09 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] KidPoker - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/13/kidpoker/
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07:04 shinohai ;;later tell http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected.
07:04 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
07:04 gribble Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
07:04 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected.
07:04 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
07:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:05 shinohai gm #trilema, sorry 4 spam
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09:04 mircea_popescu https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection.
09:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ^
09:09 shinohai kiwi has sexy cli version that is easy on eyes.
09:21 mircea_popescu freenode put in that pos google captcha at some point
09:24 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The security implications of Pokemon Go. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/14/the-security-implications-of-pokemon-go/
09:28 Framedragger mircea_popescu: there's no captcha for the kiwiirc webchat thing only if your ip request is quite unique etc. if you e.g. go from tor (*ducks*) then you get presented with the lovely cloudflare captcha where you have to solve shit for multiple times until you pass. but at least no default captcha i guess
09:30 Framedragger ah, actually freenode blocks connection eventually anyway since tor node in dnsbl and whatnot, so that's not a good argument anyway i guess
09:35 shinohai freenode make you use the dreaded sasl connection for tor
09:35 Framedragger kiwiirc is pretty, yeah!
09:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've never used it, but ok
09:48 BingoBoingo qntra about and contact pages changed over
09:50 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502851 <<< hey looks good
09:50 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 13:48 BingoBoingo: qntra about and contact pages changed over
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10:10 mircea_popescu Framedragger honestly, that it supports tor seems to me a counter argument to using anything.
10:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cool.
10:15 BingoBoingo brb, gotta get bar and chain oil
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11:48 deedbot [Trilema] It is a "no brainer"! - http://trilema.com/2016/it-is-a-no-brainer/
11:52 mircea_popescu and in other artist's studio news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/ff0632038cc637b901f130fc624d758f/tumblr_n7ai7iixeM1r2sy0fo1_500.gif
11:53 asciilifeform l0ltr0n
11:53 mircea_popescu no it's totally how it goes!
11:53 mircea_popescu ask anyone from the art school freshman class.
11:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502841 << what was wrong with the old chat ?
11:55 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 13:04 mircea_popescu: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection.
11:55 mircea_popescu google captcha.
11:55 asciilifeform new one has no such ?
11:55 mircea_popescu not that i've seen.
11:56 asciilifeform also chat thing is a bunch of js, what's to keep us from hosting same, sans captcha etc. ?
11:56 mircea_popescu ~nothing.
11:57 mircea_popescu if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just a form.
11:57 mircea_popescu person wants to update the page, they have buttons just like anyone else.
11:57 asciilifeform how would you implement irc client in
11:57 asciilifeform 'pure html' ?
11:57 mircea_popescu the chat line is a submit form, goes to chat bot.
11:57 mircea_popescu the rest is a static page.
11:57 asciilifeform so all connections happen on server side ?
11:57 mircea_popescu reloads on browser reload.
11:57 mircea_popescu yes
11:58 asciilifeform fleanode will ban it.
11:58 shinohai this looks rich http://archive.is/Q260I
11:58 mircea_popescu nope.
11:58 trilema-webchat my client #62 says : "hi folks how are you"
11:58 trilema-webchat my client #17 says : "i am the real dao attacker"
11:58 asciilifeform they'll ban the ip, and come up with some idiot excuse
11:58 asciilifeform or just silently drop packets etc.
11:59 mircea_popescu what sense does what you're saying make ?
11:59 asciilifeform the same sense the behaviour of my trb node's upstream makes.
11:59 mircea_popescu yes but it is verboten to engineer on the basis of nonsense.
11:59 mircea_popescu you may not make predictions on the basis of not understood behaviour!
11:59 asciilifeform this is like forbidding ship builder to consider water.
12:00 mircea_popescu ahahaha
12:00 asciilifeform or spacecraft - vacuum.
12:00 mircea_popescu no, it is forbiding him to consider REMOTE CONTROLLED water.
12:00 mircea_popescu ie, "personalized waves"
12:00 asciilifeform and a depth charge is...?
12:00 mircea_popescu note that irrespective of the merits of the personalized waves theory, this forbidance is nevertheless productive.
12:01 mircea_popescu it makes the shipwright a shipwright rather than a strange sort of shaman.
12:01 asciilifeform at any rate, the web message box is a useful thing, and in fact the only way for heathens to talk into gossipd transmitter in the future.
12:01 asciilifeform so it will have to happen.
12:02 mircea_popescu yeah. dunno who'd be looking for something like that to do, lessee...
12:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ?
12:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how about running a bot ?
12:02 mircea_popescu ha!
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12:50 ben_vulpes hm?
12:50 ben_vulpes oh
12:51 * ben_vulpes reads thread
12:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes may be entertained to learn that asciilifeform finally has cnc machine.
12:59 asciilifeform ancient thing, needs new steppers, but otherwise clean.
12:59 asciilifeform even came with isa (yes) card for dos (yes) box to drive the old steppers (dead)
13:02 trinque asciilifeform: neat, have a particular project you're going to mill?
13:03 asciilifeform trinque: a number of back-burner items.
13:05 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: entertained and excited!
13:05 ben_vulpes trinque: did you ever deed deedbot's source?
13:05 trinque nope
13:05 trinque not opposed but haven't
13:06 trinque lemme work on cleaving the commands from the botstuff and then I can give ya the sauce if you want it
13:07 trinque er actually I posted an older version at some point didn't I?
13:08 * ben_vulpes has a fuzzy memory, is on the road though and not disposed to dig it up
13:09 trinque old anyway, I'll let ya know when, and it'll be in the form of a signed vpatch
13:09 ben_vulpes trinque: lowers the energy barrier for me to do the thing mircea_popescu and asciilifeform were talking about
13:09 * ben_vulpes not particularly disposed to write an irc bot either
13:09 asciilifeform iirc he posted it a while ago
13:09 asciilifeform as a paste
13:10 asciilifeform but i have nfi how many bugs ago it was.
13:10 ben_vulpes i probably have it on disk somewhere
13:10 ben_vulpes but yes, old.
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13:42 Apocalyptic would anyone here be interested in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545613 ?
13:47 deedbot [Daniel P. Barron] Who saw this wonder? - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/who-saw-this-wonder/
13:52 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
13:52 * asciilifeform falls down.
13:53 jurov i'm wondering how this is ever a $100 project, too
13:53 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time
13:54 ben_vulpes why do you want this, Apocalyptic ?
13:54 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: depending on whether you want to implement a useful sat-solver, it could easily take years.
13:54 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: I don't want a solver
13:55 Apocalyptic I just want the problem as a CNF file
13:55 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: i assume you read the original 'satcoin' paper ?
13:55 asciilifeform $s satcoin
13:55 a111 19 results for "satcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=satcoin
13:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-04#368163 << thread.
13:56 a111 Logged on 2013-11-04 16:00 asciilifeform: satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html
13:57 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: oh, interesting
13:57 Apocalyptic ben_vulpes: fun
13:58 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: the idea's been kicking around for a long time.
13:58 Apocalyptic jurov: well i'm all ears as to why it isn't
13:58 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: I assure you I don't plan to apply this to bitcoin mining, even though It did cross my mind to just try how it would fare in comparison
13:59 asciilifeform it is the obvious application, along with pw cracking
13:59 Apocalyptic indeed
14:00 jurov Apocalyptic: have you actually read that pdf?
14:00 Apocalyptic jurov: the one I linked in that post ? yes
14:01 jurov to cite: "We tried several standard approaches for computing the cnf equivalent of the formula H, but all of them failed even for relatively small message lengths"
14:01 jurov which is exactly the task what you want to be doen for $100, I understand?
14:01 Apocalyptic jurov: they managed to do it eventually
14:02 Apocalyptic see the paragraph I'm referring to, and they even posted benchmark results as graph for collision resistance and preimage problems
14:02 Apocalyptic so I guess they had something running and didn't pull them out of their ass
14:02 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: you linked a very different paper! about md5
14:02 asciilifeform or is that the one you want cnf for
14:03 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: the approach is hash-agnostic
14:03 Apocalyptic if you have a prog to build the cnf for md5, you can build it for any similarly based hash function
14:04 jurov did this jovanovic actually publish it?
14:04 Apocalyptic publish what ?
14:05 Apocalyptic I should maybe mention that I actually mailed these scientists, and they replied!
14:05 Apocalyptic Saying they no longer have the code, as it's been 10 years
14:06 jurov operator overloading will get you some list "operator X was called on some values Y,Z, result is R" at best
14:07 jurov but that is easy. producing a code to correctly convert that to cnf is the problem
14:16 Apocalyptic from the satcoin pape: "The implementation of the above program generates a large CNF formula with about 250'000 variables and 850'000 clauses." I wonder how much lower these numbers would be for a single iteration of sha256
14:17 Apocalyptic jurov: afaik that part is explained in the paper too
14:20 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: quite likely, higher.
14:24 * trinque caught up on logs
14:24 trinque ben_vulpes: yeah, I'll get you bot source soon
14:25 trinque ben_vulpes: you'll be happy to know the thing both writes messages to a table and reads messages to send from an outbound table
14:26 trinque so the chat page will involve perhaps 1 select, 1 insert
14:26 ben_vulpes that *does* sound nifty.
14:26 ben_vulpes hoho
14:26 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: higher number of variables and clauses ? how does that even make sense ?
14:27 ben_vulpes trinque: no rush, i've got other irons in the fire that still need pounding.
14:27 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: sha2 has more moving parts, neh ?
14:27 trinque ben_vulpes: yeh I want to make it tidy enough to share
14:27 ben_vulpes subject only of pounding: https://www.amazon.com/Pokebutt-Go-Pounded-Em-All-ebook/dp/B01IAGH4VI/
14:28 ben_vulpes chuck tingle makes me want to write an erotica shannonizer
14:28 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: the figure is for sha256(sha256())
14:28 ben_vulpes use sales as feedback
14:28 Apocalyptic and i'm comparing to a single iteration of sha256()... so less moving parts
14:28 asciilifeform then possibly
14:29 asciilifeform but my advice, before you 'won't somebody do this for $100' to try it yourself
14:29 asciilifeform and see if it's an hour's of undergrad work, or not.
14:30 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: actually reading the satcoin link you provided I don't think it's a worthy endeavour to explore anymore
14:30 Apocalyptic as for try it yourself, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere
14:33 Apocalyptic maybe it could be done for a heavily round-reduced sha2
14:35 jurov it certainly has been done. and surely they converted the algorithm by hand, instead of crude C++ hacking.
14:37 Apocalyptic for the lulz, the Angell guy that signed up sent me, I kid you not, a copy/pasted code of a public github repo which consisted of a SAT-solver that doesn't even build
14:37 asciilifeform big fat surprise - you pretend to pay, folks pretend to work.
14:38 Apocalyptic scrapped the headers/copyrights from the files, and ad "using namespace Apocalyptic;", r, rewriting half of the prototype functions with my nick
14:38 asciilifeform this is not a $100 job, nor a job for forum-dwelling pond scum
14:38 Apocalyptic asciilifeform: I figured
14:38 deedbot [Qntra] Mark Karpelès Released on Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/07/mark-karpeles-released-on-bail/
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15:21 asciilifeform http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/pennsylvania-man-impregnated-girl-gifted-to-him-when-she-was-14-criminal-complaint << lel, harem usa-style
15:22 asciilifeform 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
15:23 jurov https://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/berliners-defy-massive-siege-by-police-defending-rigaer-94-and-autonomous-revolution-from-market-gentrification/ meanwhile in berlin
15:24 asciilifeform jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against
15:25 asciilifeform from linked article
15:25 jurov squatters vs. police
15:25 asciilifeform ah
15:25 asciilifeform in other nyooz from earlier rag, u.s. fbi gives up on finding the famous cooper: http://ktla.com/2016/07/12/d-b-cooper-45-years-after-infamous-skyjacking-fbi-closes-case-on-200000-unsolved-mystery
15:26 asciilifeform (fella who held a plane for ransom in '71, and jumped from parachute)
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15:54 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
15:54 gribble Current Blocks: 420734 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 609 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
15:54 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
15:54 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 661.82, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 649.74, vol: 5259.33044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.94, vol: 20850.12588235 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 659.715056, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 661.45, vol: 1115.81782495 | Volume-weighted last average: 659.378042634
15:54 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
15:55 gribble Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 496.298818, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 487.240026, vol: 5259.33044 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 469.4374, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 498.31418, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 505.0, vol: 82.78044979 | Volume-weighted last average: 496.452234169
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502928 << the expression is "this is easy if you know what you're doing". rather typical for web "frelancing" crud.
16:08 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 17:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
16:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502931 << if in the future you manage to not overestimate tardstalk.org i'll be ever so grateful to you.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 17:53 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time
16:09 mircea_popescu $rated Apocalyptic
16:09 deedbot mircea_popescu rated Apocalyptic 2 at 2014/10/31 17:01:32 << ex-x-bt.com
16:10 mircea_popescu $rate Apocalyptic -1 ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
16:10 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0cda5120-2ee0-4e87-8b6b-2facad54a624/
16:10 mircea_popescu $v 51B4D0A4E9B9E4963AFD3063A5F7DD49A3D71C6F6DC7AF3A0C98539A02CE468E
16:10 deedbot mircea_popescu updated rating of Apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
16:13 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu: hey, indeed I tremendously overestimated tardstalk
16:14 mircea_popescu happens.
16:14 Apocalyptic but hey it was been educational, at least I know I won't ever be going there to get work done
16:14 mircea_popescu or here.
16:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established.
16:21 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 19:22 asciilifeform: 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
16:22 Apocalyptic funny how this experience makes me persona non grata
16:23 shinohai tardstalk looks like Filipinos came in and took a giant sig-spam shit everywhere.
16:23 shinohai Can't find anything there.
16:23 mircea_popescu well... because they did.
16:23 Apocalyptic shinohai: can't agree more
16:23 Apocalyptic I haven't been there in ages, most posts are pure non-sense to increase post counts for signature campaigns
16:24 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you can plead ignorance all you want. lalala check me out, i'm going to pretend like this doesn't exist and here's tardstalk, seriously. then if you get whacked for it play the victim ? get fucked already, this isn't how it's played.
16:24 mircea_popescu now stfu before i feel the need to also silence your dumb ass.
16:24 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu: I'm not pleading ignorance
16:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502999 << "this place should not be used by group X but by group Y according to the who-has-more-euros() function results" "fuck you, you just print the euros, they don't reflect any substantive relation".
16:27 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 19:24 asciilifeform: jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against
16:27 mircea_popescu that's the protest.
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16:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: suddenly it makes sense. we have these here.
16:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503025 << devil knows! hence link.
16:57 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 20:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established.
17:05 mircea_popescu i can't even say i don't sympathise with the hipsters.
17:06 mircea_popescu they do have a point, euros can stand as no basis for resource allocation ; and the euro legal system has absolutely no business intervening in this sort of dispute.
17:06 mircea_popescu their lot is abstract nonsense, let them pass judgement on the pressing matter of how many angles fit on a pinhead and such.
17:06 asciilifeform so how to settle dispute? gladiators ?
17:06 mircea_popescu any other way.
17:06 mircea_popescu currently, apparently, yes. gladiators.
17:07 asciilifeform the money printin' folk can print a truckload, hire moar gladiator.
17:07 asciilifeform problem is not thus solved.
17:07 mircea_popescu "hire"
17:07 mircea_popescu the other side can deficit spend JUST as well.
17:07 mircea_popescu it's all ideological motivated, in the same way to the exact same end.
17:07 asciilifeform what will it spend? old candy wrappers ?
17:07 mircea_popescu words.
17:08 mircea_popescu euro fishwrapping paper buys you soda ; candy wrappers buy you cunt. seems the other side's better backed actually.,
17:08 asciilifeform 'The ‘filthy anti-system’ extremists in the neighbourhood are defending their coop culture, free schools and kindergartens, their anti property speculation, shared living experiments, anti patriarchy, music, art, bar and cafe collectives, refugee welcome initiatives, anti war and climate saving politics and degrowth movements……. etc'
17:08 mircea_popescu aha.
17:09 mircea_popescu strictly boils down to "easy cunt"
17:10 mircea_popescu and yes, i readily agree with you and in effigy with "sensible people" of a generation that died with chet - that all this is barbaric nonsense, and wtf is wrong with people!
17:10 mircea_popescu socialism. it ruined the currency, now there's no way to avoid societal disorder. so yes, gladiators.
17:12 asciilifeform the sad part is that they're one-armed gladiators. e.g., burning police cars, rather than shooting politicians or latifundistas etc
17:13 mircea_popescu why would you expect they'd do anything but burning police cars ?
17:13 asciilifeform precisely, i wouldn't expect.
17:13 mircea_popescu they, contrary to the "anti patriarchy" verbiage, are very deeply male. will attach responsibility (correctly) to the closest link, entire. rather than womanly go around looking for "implications"
17:13 mircea_popescu you're too civilised for your own good, here.
17:14 asciilifeform wake me up when police run out of cars, to burn.
17:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no no. not "why would you expect them to be smart". "why would you expect smart people to do the dumb thing"
17:14 mircea_popescu that's entirely an irrelevant point.
17:14 asciilifeform stomping individual ants is dumb.
17:14 mircea_popescu to you.
17:14 asciilifeform anthill can birth them faster than you can stomp.
17:14 mircea_popescu than YOU can stomp.
17:14 asciilifeform than anybody but a million-man army could stomp.
17:14 trinque so then.
17:15 mircea_popescu this is a million man army.
17:15 asciilifeform armies shoot.
17:15 mircea_popescu armies win.
17:15 mircea_popescu not the form, you sickly infected soul you. NOT THE FORM.
17:15 asciilifeform hooligans sum to 0, whether jacqueries in 1100 or window-busting 'antifa' reds now.
17:16 mircea_popescu this statement has nothing to do with reality and no power over it. all it does is, it identifies the speaker. identifies him as a roman.
17:16 mircea_popescu specifically important word, and do consider
17:16 mircea_popescu $google mai bine huligan decit activist
17:16 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golaniad << Golaniad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w << Imnul golanilor | http://cuvintecelebre.ro/mai-bine-mort-decat-comunist/ << Mai bine mort, decât... Imnul Golanilor, citat de Cristian Pațurcă
17:18 asciilifeform looks like a maidanism/tiananmenism, colourful revolution attempt ?
17:18 mircea_popescu relatively complicated.
17:18 mircea_popescu but, whatever the historical underlying, the point stands. your chocie is hooligan or aparatchick, pick.
17:19 mircea_popescu aparat-CHICK, funnily enough. may be the one time translation improves the text.
17:19 asciilifeform well from pov of apparat, the opposition is naturally 'dirty hooligan'
17:19 mircea_popescu and vice-versa.
17:19 asciilifeform but i was speaking of the disorganization/aimlessness/anomie
17:19 mircea_popescu this is a matter of you not a matter of it. both order and disorder are subjective reactions.
17:19 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as "order" in physical reality.
17:20 asciilifeform consider spanish civil war
17:20 mircea_popescu alright
17:20 asciilifeform why republicans lost ?
17:20 mircea_popescu who knows these things, and what's to lose.
17:20 asciilifeform it isn't as if it were a nuke war, we have plenty of evidence re why
17:20 mircea_popescu you don't think nsa lost, or usg lost, or any of the imperial heavenly legions ever lost.
17:20 mircea_popescu why should the republicans have lost ?
17:21 asciilifeform lost - spain, their skins, etc. lost it all.
17:21 mircea_popescu heh. everyone eventually loses his skin. what, hruschev lost ?
17:21 mircea_popescu sure, he's dead.
17:21 * asciilifeform straps on gas mask
17:21 mircea_popescu $google eugene ionesco "golan academician"
17:21 deedbot No results.
17:22 mircea_popescu oobviously.
17:27 asciilifeform soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan.
17:28 asciilifeform beast was devoured by much larger, stronger beast, and not by some mythical 'victory of the beoble'
17:29 asciilifeform we do not yet have a modern example of roman-style collapse to work with.
17:34 asciilifeform possibly rhodesia ?
17:35 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/13P6
17:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:43 BingoBoingo ty
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18:13 phf $s "megaprocessor"
18:13 a111 3 results for "\"megaprocessor\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22megaprocessor%22
18:22 deedbot [Daniel P. Barron] Play To Lose - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/play-to-lose/
18:33 BingoBoingo Oh apparently truck > Assault rifle!
18:34 trinque inb4 snackbar
18:34 mats aloha!
18:37 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
18:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 659.22, vol: 2605.84355433 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 645.6, vol: 5338.74366 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.08, vol: 21362.55703792 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 657.937808, vol: 26130.99380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 662.773, vol: 1161.41813037 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.740813699
18:50 deedbot [Qntra] Bastille Day Truck Attack In Nice, France - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bastille-day-truck-attack-in-nice-france/
18:57 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: doesn't /affect/ gameplay
18:59 danielpbarron fxt, ty
19:09 ben_vulpes interesting gedankenexperiment
19:09 ben_vulpes (yw)
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19:26 mod6 werd up
19:27 mod6 <shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ mlocalhost deps and it still builds as expected. << oh yeah, forgot about that!
19:27 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there. This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
19:40 trinque BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/ << 73 reported here
19:41 BingoBoingo trinque: Updated
19:42 trinque http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/91-year-old-woman-fills-in-crossword-at-museum---only-to-discove/ << in other newsworthy
19:42 trinque lol
19:47 mod6 haha
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20:50 BingoBoingo So even though the weather has been objectively worse here this week than last, I have observed a sharp increase in the number of transmayos walking and biking outside while glued to their smartphones.
20:51 BingoBoingo “Pokemon Go to the Polls" - Clitler July 14th, 2016
20:53 BingoBoingo Possibly of alf interest, the snackbar truck https://archive.is/ftFPL
20:57 trinque BingoBoingo: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bastille-day-crash-live-updates-8424850 << video here. the event's already social media porn for both isis and... what's the other side, cuckistan?
20:58 trinque seems both love it equally
20:58 BingoBoingo trinque: Why only two sides?
20:59 trinque which others do you see?
20:59 trinque I see a european ass in the air and a brown guy having the time of his life
21:00 BingoBoingo Well, https://i.imgur.com/jI5ccLN.jpg for example
21:00 BingoBoingo And in obvious headlines http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/being-obese-can-kill-you-study-finds-n609601
21:00 trinque woah, is that stray toilet paper in uh... "front" ?
21:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503107 << this is rank nonsense on the level of "cred intr-unul dumnezeu, tatal atottiitorul". go, believe.
21:02 a111 Logged on 2016-07-14 21:27 asciilifeform: soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan.
21:02 mircea_popescu it dun do nuttin.
21:02 BingoBoingo Who knows? But it would probably enjoy the brown guy who would not be having the time of his life.
21:02 mircea_popescu soviets fell because ran out of cars. i was there when they did. i will be there when these re-soviets will.
21:10 mircea_popescu (Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα for teh curious.)
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21:44 mircea_popescu aaand in random ancient trilema roll, http://trilema.com/2009/a-fost-odata-cand-romania-a-avut-dreptate/
21:52 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/ftEoWvp.jpg
21:52 BingoBoingo ^Not fat
21:52 mircea_popescu good call.
21:52 mircea_popescu quit school now.
21:54 BingoBoingo Seriously
21:55 BingoBoingo Also related church bsns https://i.imgur.com/YIl9HWk.jpg
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22:16 BingoBoingo http://whdh.com/news/pokemon-go-player-discovers-body-in-nashua/ < Body #2
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22:55 mircea_popescu i actually lived there!
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23:25 BingoBoingo What a coinidence the next generation of smartphone surveillance would direct users to places mircea_popescu lived!
23:32 mircea_popescu lol
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23:58 mats http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/07/12/US-troops-head-to-Iraq-ahead-of-Mosul-fight-.html
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