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00:00 mircea_popescu aha
00:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, seems you were right, keybase moduli aren't particularly rotten
00:00 mircea_popescu search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e.
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00:06 mircea_popescu felipelalli1983 so how about that dilma huh. they're wringing her neck they are.
00:18 mircea_popescu and in other boobs http://66.media.tumblr.com/f0c8ab37fbf5db4069bb217fd15ab9d9/tumblr_nj8cu1qokj1rfxpbko1_1280.jpg
00:21 deedbot [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/
00:32 felipelalli Hi mircea_popescu ! yes, you are right!! ahahh. It's incredible that she doesn't renounce. That kind of people is always a dog with a bone.
00:33 felipelalli in the day of first and most important impeachment election the people celebrates more than World Cup final!
00:34 felipelalli I was in the same place, this street: http://www.portalcbncampinas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/6eb6b6f4-39a8-41b3-99ca-7c9f4c1982c4-310x165.jpg
00:34 felipelalli everybody watching like the World Cup final.
00:36 felipelalli I had an issue in my connection. Did you guys receive my lasts 4 messages?
00:40 mircea_popescu seems da silva is gonna end up in jail too
00:40 mircea_popescu felipelalli sure.
00:42 mircea_popescu oh and maduro is besieging the parliament lol. pretty lulzy south american spring
00:42 felipelalli mircea_popescu, everyone here hope so.
00:42 mircea_popescu i thought he was very populare
00:42 felipelalli I don't understand how they can survive with that hyperinflation
00:43 felipelalli *was*
00:43 felipelalli but, to be honest he is still yet, but only with really poor people
00:43 mircea_popescu felipelalli actually lots of the runners working for people here are venezuelan chix.
00:44 felipelalli really? how?
00:44 mircea_popescu well, ran out of venezuela one way or another, needed a job.
00:44 felipelalli ah! are you living in Argentina, I have forgot that!
00:45 mircea_popescu yea
00:45 felipelalli at least they didn't come to Brazil yet! maybe because we're very bad too. everything is collapsing, as in the book Atlas Shrugged
00:46 mircea_popescu also kinda hot
00:46 felipelalli and in Argentina the new president is really better or same shit?
00:46 felipelalli the people in Brazil say the new president is God comparing to that woman.
00:46 mircea_popescu he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest.
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00:46 mircea_popescu which is all the better, argentines are imbeciles.
00:47 felipelalli lol
00:47 felipelalli I was only once in Argentina, in a Bitcoin event
00:47 mircea_popescu most annoying dilemma, do you want to live on a farm, or do you want to live in a republic of farm animals ?!
00:47 felipelalli ahahah
00:47 mircea_popescu fuckall, i'd much prefer living in a city among civilised folk. but this isn't on offer.
00:47 mircea_popescu anyway. he's better, he's turning the republic of cattle into rancho cucamonga.
00:48 felipelalli hahah
00:48 felipelalli I am a voluntaryist, and we are "splited" about the situation here.
00:48 felipelalli because Dilma made a lot of voluntaryists!!
00:49 mircea_popescu it's unclear to me what the protestors actually want.
00:49 mircea_popescu they'll replace this lot with... what, aliens ?
00:49 felipelalli ahhahah
00:49 mircea_popescu new politicians. well... guess what, the new politicians are hungry.
00:49 felipelalli the protesters are conservatives, they are just "anti-communist"
00:49 felipelalli not anti-gov
00:50 mircea_popescu seems these communists were really very savagely capitalistic though
00:50 mircea_popescu stealing from "the state" to make one's own fortune is how capitalism always starts.
00:50 felipelalli agreed
00:50 felipelalli actually they are not personally "so rich" like they could be. They are sick, they just want to impose their communist agenda
00:50 mircea_popescu anyway. i don't think anyone actulaly understands what they're doing or knows why.
00:51 mircea_popescu i bet if you torture dilma in like a medieval dungeon to tell you the truth, why the fuck she did it,
00:51 mircea_popescu she'll be like "uh i dunno... i thought it's what's done... everyone else was doing it"
00:51 felipelalli I think the extreme left is going to disappear for some years, at least.
00:51 mircea_popescu bitch... you're the fucking president, your life philosophy is "hurr, i'll just do what everyone does" ?
00:51 felipelalli lol
00:52 mircea_popescu eh, the extreme left consists of "herp, i'm really lazy, things should happen". that's nevere going anywhere.
00:52 felipelalli the people here are crazy for "rights"
00:52 mircea_popescu it'll disappear five minutes after farts disappear.
00:52 felipelalli we have a *lot* of "rights
00:52 mircea_popescu yeah im sure you do.
00:52 felipelalli but no one of these rights actually really works lol
00:53 felipelalli the people here are really stupid too, including the rich ones.
00:53 mircea_popescu do you know what's the difference between a guy from brazil and a guy from kentucky ?
00:53 felipelalli the rich are anti-comm but they are more "statits" than anyone. They really love a strong strong State
00:53 BingoBoingo lol boatoshi
00:53 felipelalli no, what is?
00:54 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Where's the Albert wildfire piece. I think you already know what the hook should be...
00:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:54 mircea_popescu the guy from kentucky has half a dozen broken cars on plastic foil in front of his house ; the guy from brazil has half dozen broken rights on plastic foil in front of his house.
00:54 mircea_popescu neither gets them anywhere.
00:54 felipelalli BingoBoingo, I have translated that news to Brazilian fb group and they loved the "Boatoshi" hahahh
00:54 BingoBoingo sweet
00:54 felipelalli mircea_popescu, true ahha
00:55 mircea_popescu hm, i wonder if a portuguese qntra section'd be worth it.
00:55 mircea_popescu yet in other cunts, http://65.media.tumblr.com/82a1726ecd72379c6c1eb3dddf149e8f/tumblr_nni0fzwinf1txqtqio1_1280.jpg
00:56 felipelalli mircea_popescu, maybe not yet, not so many active people here, and most are really stupid yet. They are learning yet what Bitcoin actually is.
00:56 mircea_popescu aha
00:56 felipelalli now they are in love with ETH
00:56 felipelalli and altcoins
00:56 mircea_popescu lolk
00:56 felipelalli they are masochists, not in BSDM sense lol
00:57 felipelalli I have blocked more than 20 already hahah
00:58 felipelalli some of them says Bitcoin will fatally dies because is "too old", like an old car.
00:58 mircea_popescu lol
00:58 felipelalli but they don't understand money is better if older.
00:59 felipelalli but with this incredible fall of ETH they are just quiet now hahah
00:59 mircea_popescu heh.
01:00 felipelalli at least they stop to talk about that shit of big blocks hahah
01:01 felipelalli they finally understand that the block aways tends to be full of rubish. Just pay 0.01 $ more and you are free from the tx mud.
01:03 mircea_popescu fancy that, the emergency went away.
01:03 felipelalli mircea_popescu, yes, suddenly.
01:06 felipelalli I think Theymos made the right choice to censor (what lead to a split) the subreddit. Now /r/btc is filled with a bunch of derps; it's amazing how they attract each other! <amazing company>
01:07 mircea_popescu myeah. contrary to fiatista ideology, the only thing large groups of "people themselves" do is collapse on their own shitweight.
01:08 felipelalli "fiatista ideology" auehauaueh
01:08 mircea_popescu no but there's this thing "oh, you want more users" , "oh what people say/think matters"
01:08 mircea_popescu yeah right.
01:10 felipelalli yes.. Do you know what is HuE BR? On the Internet we laugh like that: "auheuaheuahe" http://www.wowgirl.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hue.png
01:11 felipelalli do you know that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk lol
01:16 mircea_popescu like a meme ?
01:16 felipelalli yes
01:17 felipelalli it's about how the BR HuE destroy everything ahaha
01:17 mircea_popescu what is it, a sort of orc ?
01:17 felipelalli loll
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02:30 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
02:30 gribble Current Blocks: 410463 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 800 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
02:33 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
02:33 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 449.04, vol: 2825.61233958 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.0, vol: 4366.57591 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 449.48, vol: 8028.53457791 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.9596, vol: 20549.13940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 448.203, vol: 334.43299409 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 453.617604, vol: 5.2675528 | Volume-weighted last average: 447.337370007
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04:21 punkman http://qz.com/676048/the-us-spent-1-4-billion-in-africa-telling-people-not-to-have-sex-and-it-didnt-work/
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04:31 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/04/cops_deploy_antiterrorist_tech_against_50_chickenwing_thief/
~ 4 hours 37 minutes ~
09:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463821 << realize that 'poor rng' does not necessarily mean 'phuctorable.' if the keyspace is reduced from, say, 10^100 to 10^10, it does not follow that given the number of extant keys there will be duplicate factors.
09:09 a111 Logged on 2016-05-06 04:00 mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e.
09:09 asciilifeform but what it DOES mean is that folks who know 'where the corpse is buried' can derive yer keyz.
09:09 asciilifeform because their search space is constrained.
09:10 asciilifeform this is kindergarten diddlatronics.
09:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463926 << this is fall-off-your-chair hilarious until you realize that - quite likely - no puritan derp actually went and told africans not to fuck. instead, the MONEY bought yachts, fattened harvard, bought dope, and whatever else anglo ruling class imbeciles normally do with it.
09:12 a111 Logged on 2016-05-06 08:21 punkman: http://qz.com/676048/the-us-spent-1-4-billion-in-africa-telling-people-not-to-have-sex-and-it-didnt-work/
09:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463847 << ahahaha mircea_popescu may as well open, e.g., scintillator fibre factory, in kentucky then ?!
09:13 a111 Logged on 2016-05-06 04:46 mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest.
09:14 asciilifeform and when i say 'show me a place ~not~ ruled by usg muppets where a cultured man might want to live' mircea_popescu laughs.
~ 2 hours 21 minutes ~
11:36 mircea_popescu trinque what are your thoughts re importing into deedbot the ENTIRE key db as owned by phuctor ?
11:36 mircea_popescu on some level it seems one shouldn't be precluded in rating a key merely because the owner of that key failed to register it with teh republic.
11:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! yer gonna love the n*log(n) lookups
11:40 asciilifeform tanstaafl (tm) (r)
11:40 mircea_popescu kik ?
11:40 asciilifeform 'there aint no such thing as a free lunch'
11:40 punkman you don't have to import it into gpg
11:40 punkman (all at once)
11:41 mircea_popescu seems to me it'd be a tree, 40 deep. whats teh big deal
11:43 * asciilifeform always pronounced it like Schutzstaffel
11:43 asciilifeform the big deal is that a db that gets ~added to~ is not so simple as 'tree of 40 levels'
11:43 trinque mircea_popescu: I'm for it.
11:43 trinque asciilifeform: how big is the whole key archive?
11:44 asciilifeform trinque: ~6GB
11:44 mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform has some sort of point, BUT, i think it should be approachable. needs some cranium grease put into it all.
11:44 asciilifeform anyway it's doable, but you gotta think about what happens when enemy gets wind and generates a quintillion crud keys.
11:44 trinque postgresql can probably handle that
11:44 trinque I've seen bigger DBs
11:45 mircea_popescu in any case, the driver for this thought process in my head is, believe it or not, the messing around with phf re beefy few days ago. seems a deeply valuable learning experience, to be exposed to large sets in this sense.
11:45 trinque I'm gonna need to upgrade the box, but that's been on my list for a while anyway
11:45 asciilifeform perhaps some of this could happen on the massive 'dulap'
11:45 trinque it heads towards deedbot being a keyserver too, already sorta is with $key
11:45 asciilifeform where the db already lives.
11:45 mircea_popescu trinque so it does.
11:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah. the whole point is to duplicate work.
11:46 mircea_popescu (in retrospect, from my very instructive republican experience, im discovering that the principal job of management actually is to decide when to and when not to duplicate work. it's a much deeper point than it seems.)
11:47 asciilifeform trick is that it works best if you have the duplicated thing done in ~improved~ way rather than ad-hoc
11:47 mircea_popescu depends. if the point is the end result, then yes. if the point is the person doing it, then no.
11:48 asciilifeform noshit. hence homework.
11:48 asciilifeform 'but pythagoras already did this!111'
11:48 mircea_popescu note that ~all us "Science and Engineering" consists of young men doing homework in a poorly managed, ineptly driven manner collectively known as "phd"
11:48 mircea_popescu nobody else does anything. perhaps for structural reasons.
11:50 mircea_popescu andre "what happens when enemy gets wind" 1. this is a very valuable canary for such a wonderous change in the enemy ; 2. time offers a natural breaking point, we're protected well by the configuration of the field.
11:50 asciilifeform how does (2) work ?
11:50 mircea_popescu "we will have all keys prior to T, and add new ones on the basis of X spamtrap only"
11:51 mircea_popescu best of both worlds.
11:51 asciilifeform the other thing is,
11:51 asciilifeform as i currently understand, most uncommitted derps lose their old keyz ten times before breakfast every morning.
11:51 asciilifeform so what'd be the point of stowing the junkyard.
11:52 mircea_popescu yes, but for instance i want to be able to nuke some keys of some people who will not come here if it kills them.
11:52 asciilifeform how often does somebody show up with a '90s key here
11:52 mircea_popescu curtrently this is dark info.
11:52 mircea_popescu it shouldn't be dark info.
11:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the matter is not what the derp uses it for. the matter is that i want to mark specific, extant and known items.
11:52 trinque asciilifeform: key still identifies a point in time if it produced any signed material
11:52 mircea_popescu recall, the WoT is NOT!!! about the user in question. but about his deeds and their reflection. only.
11:52 asciilifeform what i do see, is that this'd be good insurance for the spamocalypse when we start ~demanding~, e.g., pre-2020 keys, even to be LOOKED AT
11:52 asciilifeform and suddenly ancient keys become sc4mz0r currency.
11:53 mircea_popescu there's also that lobe, as distant and sf-ish as it may sound.
11:53 asciilifeform imho we're nearly there even now.
11:54 mircea_popescu i don't currently see much value in someone bringing old unknown key rather than freshly made.
11:54 mircea_popescu but that aside, who knowns, mebbe.
11:54 asciilifeform but, handily, 'p' actually has 'if [this program evals to true] i rate [key k] [rating r]' as primitive...
11:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~today~ no such value. ~tomorrow~, when the ocean of shit overflows - there will be.
11:55 mircea_popescu and in today's breakfast helper, http://66.media.tumblr.com/ae8701991aba86b03f6fb3ef0ae6de37/tumblr_nq9mclHDz81tgdz6ro1_1280.jpg
11:56 mircea_popescu pity usagi is not here to generate some keys for later. iirc he had a service to generate long rsa keys for people.
11:56 asciilifeform in related nyooz, i'm putting in notice of resignation at rupture farms on monday.
11:56 mircea_popescu no ?!
11:56 asciilifeform aha.
11:57 mircea_popescu you're not only a stakebunny, but also a total stake slut! keep changing them.
11:57 mircea_popescu anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what.
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11:57 asciilifeform found a somewhat more modest but 'you get xxxxx done, we pay' sort of deal.
11:57 jurov oh, how comes no one is doing vanity rsa keys generation already?
11:57 asciilifeform jurov: https://evil32.com links to one
11:57 mircea_popescu jurov ikr?
11:58 asciilifeform thing is, no sane person WANTS a vanity - that is CONSTRAINED SPACE - rsa key
11:58 mircea_popescu "Safety First : Do Not Fist Android Girls."
11:58 asciilifeform unless for specific purpose of fucking someone
11:58 asciilifeform in bitcoin addr there is a ~hash~
11:58 asciilifeform so it is not the same.
11:58 asciilifeform vanity HASH is as strong as the hash algo
11:59 asciilifeform vanity rsa constrains your privkey space.
11:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but he has a point, the derp brain is memetic not rational. "the x of y"
11:59 jurov asciilifeform: i was in jest, but ty
11:59 asciilifeform but in point of fact there is a tool.
11:59 asciilifeform linked therein.
11:59 mircea_popescu yeah. i had no idea.
12:00 deedbot [Trilema] What's popularity look like ? - http://trilema.com/2016/whats-popularity-look-like/
12:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463998 << no leaving the house!111
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12:03 a111 Logged on 2016-05-06 15:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what.
12:03 mircea_popescu no wai.
12:04 mircea_popescu in celebration of alf's good fortune news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsztzcpFao1qzmnv7o1_1280.jpg
12:05 * asciilifeform might actually resume being useful again soon.
12:06 asciilifeform just as well that i am leaving rupture farmz, because a few honest folks there finally informed me of what i already knew, which is that i was being 'warehoused'
12:06 asciilifeform (kept around for scutwork after having refused to take holy orders)
12:07 mircea_popescu do you tell them during interview that a) everything you agree to will have to be presented in writing ; b) you will not do x y or z and soo n ?
12:08 asciilifeform even simpler than there, they make exactly one $item and that's it.
12:08 asciilifeform and yeah it took a few rehashes of contract.
12:11 asciilifeform quite the rarity, and may be 'too good to be true' etc.
12:11 asciilifeform consider, 99+% of the employment in my field is raw usg.
12:13 mircea_popescu you need better fields.
12:13 asciilifeform (there is an unknown percentage, to be fair, of 'nonemployment' work also, i.e. 0day market, overlapping with the 99, but i have - as previously discussed - no 'in' to it.)
12:14 asciilifeform didn't we discuss the whole 'i am not voluntarily being 19 with none-of-the-upsides again' thing ?
12:15 mircea_popescu lol. "the sewage goes into this pond i live in" "you need to live in a better pond" "didn't we discuss the whole i'm not walking on land again thing???"
12:15 asciilifeform with that in mind, i am good at a reasonable breadth of things, but again 99% of the employment in them, in as far as i can access, is usg.
12:15 mircea_popescu well ok mr turtle, so whadda ya want then.
12:15 asciilifeform but i would happily help zimbabwe build its first nuke, say, if it called.
12:15 mircea_popescu cuz this "i want FOR X to Y" ain't a want, it's a voodoo.
12:15 asciilifeform but - mega-unsurprise - no calls.
12:15 mircea_popescu word.
12:15 mircea_popescu stop wanting other people to.
12:16 mircea_popescu it's the #1 symptom of esl-ism, and as unbefitting as it's unseemly.
12:16 asciilifeform well, not being a demigod like mircea_popescu , i actually rely on other people to want to.
12:16 asciilifeform because otherwise i dun eat.
12:17 mircea_popescu that's a red herring. aptly displayed on my terminal in red font.
12:17 asciilifeform i can't simply shit forth gold.
12:17 mircea_popescu EVEN MY TERMINAL KNOWS!
12:17 mircea_popescu that's what you get for being a terminal blessed with the daily touch of a gomided such as myself!
12:17 asciilifeform apparently!11
12:18 mircea_popescu "who the fuck are you ?!" "TREMBLE BEFORE ME! FOR I AM TEH GOMIDED OF LYSDEXIA!"
12:18 asciilifeform ;;google lysdexia
12:18 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
12:18 asciilifeform dafuq
12:18 asciilifeform when's the last time this worked ?!
12:18 trinque ^brb
12:19 asciilifeform botterdamerung?!
12:19 mircea_popescu yeah speaking of which, anyone of the botmasters, young or old, wanna make a gribble replacement ?
12:19 trinque mircea_popescu: which commands?
12:19 mircea_popescu it should do ;;calc and ;;google and ;;curl |sed|awk|grep.
12:19 trinque crap the latter to wotpaste?
12:19 mircea_popescu as to the last one : that's it, one call to curl passed through whatever chain of awk/sed/grep
12:20 mircea_popescu so a very limited sort of bash access.
12:21 mircea_popescu trinque nah, just put it in here, with a 1kb limit.
12:21 mircea_popescu or whatever one line is, i dun recall.
12:21 trinque awk can shell out; probably dangerous
12:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was surreal, last night, whole squad of folks were rubbing in 'all the fun stuff' i could do if only i agreed to join hitler's wot
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12:28 trinque wuh oh. freenode sandstorm again?
12:34 mircea_popescu trinque sed and grep then ? or just parse out their shellout calls ?
12:34 mircea_popescu i guess that's not trivial huh.
12:35 trinque yeah, not to be a broken record, but had we a gossipd, I'd just give people I trust access to dangerous tools.
12:35 trinque as with mike_c and postgresql
12:35 trinque I like making use of the WoT just fine
12:36 mircea_popescu so something like "anyone voiced can calc and google, gotta be in lordsheep to curl ?"
12:36 trinque yep
12:36 mircea_popescu works for me.
12:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1464063 << yet another item they used to have in teh best soviet union.
12:41 mircea_popescu aaand in other newzlulz, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b608fef1247d0792af6b7f38e1e4bd69/tumblr_nrlixyrKau1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg
12:50 mircea_popescu and in other "internet security" lulz, https://www.virustotal.com/es-ar/url/900d5651bf561ce804766d1a8f3483080a0e3879f16bfb7f820fdffef82fb807/analysis/1462553268/
12:51 mircea_popescu and https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/yerl.org/vyvkz to go with it.
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13:39 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
13:39 gribble Current Blocks: 410541 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 722 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
~ 32 minutes ~
14:11 asciilifeform logz dead?
14:12 mircea_popescu are they ?
14:13 asciilifeform apparently
14:14 asciilifeform last line i see is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1464063
14:14 mircea_popescu confirmed. phf ?
14:15 trinque yeah, a111 is mia
14:15 mircea_popescu needs more 111s!
14:16 mircea_popescu and in other goops, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7s4cMpGK1ri2aneo1_1280.jpg
14:27 trinque $google goop
14:27 deedbot http://goop.com/ << Goop | A weekly lifestyle publication, curated by Gwyneth Paltrow ... | http://shop.goop.com/ << Goop Shop | http://goop.com/recipes-category/recipes/ << Recipes | Recipe Categories | Goop
14:27 trinque mircea_popescu: ^
14:38 asciilifeform May 06 12:50:33 <mircea_popescu>and in other "internet security" lulz, https://www.virustotal.com/es-ar/url/900d5651bf561ce804766d1a8f3483080a0e3879f16bfb7f820fdffef82fb807/analysis/1462553268 << what is notable about this sample ?
14:48 mircea_popescu that they don't fucking detect it
14:48 mircea_popescu and the sucuri bs also fucks up the url by lowercasing it
14:48 mircea_popescu ie, half-assed effort.
14:54 mircea_popescu sweet trinque
14:58 mircea_popescu that settles that.
14:58 mircea_popescu $google sexiest man alive
14:58 deedbot http://www.people.com/people/package/0,,20315920,00.html << Sexiest Man Alive : People.com | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexiest_Man_Alive << Sexiest Man Alive | http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20957461_20967491,00.html << David Beckham is PEOPLE's Sexiest Man Alive : People.com
14:58 mircea_popescu obviously, a wikipedia page.
15:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a very large share of the samples on vt are 'not detected'
15:10 asciilifeform because av is elementarily braindamaged concept
15:10 mircea_popescu kinda my point.
15:10 asciilifeform likewise a large fraction of samples on vt don't even ~run there~
15:10 asciilifeform because they detect their (very easily detectable) vm, etc.
15:11 mircea_popescu "experts" in sticking their finger up their own ass and tasting it afterwards.
15:11 asciilifeform aha, and google bought for $B.
15:12 asciilifeform then when i and a buncha blokes opened a co that offered thing that would analyze crapware WITHOUT USING VM, that is, on ordinary x86 (but with some hardware magic),
15:12 asciilifeform nobody bought.
15:12 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of "build better mouse trap" only.
15:13 mircea_popescu the part where you assault, arson, rape and pillage is also required.
15:13 asciilifeform which takes capital.
15:13 asciilifeform (or, i suppose, demigods)
15:13 mircea_popescu demigods, demiassholes, whadda hell's da difference.
15:17 asciilifeform whatever you want to call it, it was an elementary case of 'you made something that actually works? good for you? now eat shit and die.' vs 'yacht rat? welcome aboard, your shit is sausage here'
15:18 mircea_popescu notrly.
15:18 mircea_popescu but aaaanyway.
15:20 asciilifeform tip to aspiring virii authors:
15:20 asciilifeform vt STILL names its winblowz vm TEQUILABOOMBOOM
15:21 asciilifeform ~all~ of them.
15:21 mircea_popescu lmao.
15:23 asciilifeform i shit thee not.
15:24 asciilifeform (not that you actually ~need~ this, there are 1,001 ways to detect vm, and against 101 there are no countermeasures)
15:27 asciilifeform that experience is what really woke me up to the dead-endity of the field
15:28 asciilifeform (i.e. the only folks seriously willing to pay for serious crapware analysis are usg and cn, and i'm not in either's wot)
15:29 asciilifeform which in turn is logical, being that these are the 2 large orgs stuck on, each for its own strange reasons, winblowz
15:30 mircea_popescu quite.
15:30 mircea_popescu the third party that's interested is only interested in raping them, and generally does not believe in employees.
15:31 asciilifeform or in contractors, consultants, pretty much any work-for-money arrangement
15:32 mircea_popescu aha. make your own holes.
15:34 asciilifeform and what kind of luser works anyway!1111 winnerz eat from their 10,000 heads of cattle and rent from the baronial landz!11111111111
15:34 mircea_popescu make your own holes.
15:40 asciilifeform speaking of drilling fuckable openings, the 'oss' thread appears to be wholly dead.
15:40 mircea_popescu doh.
15:40 asciilifeform just as mircea_popescu said, it was a pointless exercise.
15:41 mircea_popescu where's the kaiser discussion.
15:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460247
15:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460246
15:41 asciilifeform ah yeah.
15:41 mircea_popescu had you said something THEY COULD HAVE USED, they would have. as you said nothing that makes them any better, it never happened.
15:41 mircea_popescu waste of your time.
15:42 mircea_popescu and this is exactly how it goes with "we just want to ask you a few questions", which is why you don't talk to the police, and everything else.
15:44 asciilifeform at this point even cocker spaniel knows that 'no good comes from talking to cop, even in principle'
15:44 mircea_popescu nobody is going to go "oh i am so impressed by the unexpected arguments this young chap has espoused on the internet, i'm going to now change my priors" anymore than you're going to go "o hey, the irc has convinced me, i am now finally moving out of the us". people've made their life choices, and that's that, reality exists only to either promote their personal stupidity or otherwise be ignored as best it can.
15:45 asciilifeform it occasionally does happen that somebody gets pushed into cognitive dissonance mode and spews chunks upon encountering undigestible fact
15:45 mircea_popescu true.
15:45 mircea_popescu but age and poverty better predictors than intelligence, for that behaviour
15:45 mircea_popescu intelligence is counterpredictive, and education counterpredictive^3.5
15:45 asciilifeform happens to young and old alike
15:46 asciilifeform and i don't see the stupid being more likely to conform to fact than anyone else
15:46 mircea_popescu just some empirical observations. possibru useless.
15:47 mircea_popescu certainly useless in any individual case, which is the bane of statistics.
15:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu seems to idealize the poor and stupid because - i suppose - when they come with cunts, those work just as well as any other cunt
15:49 asciilifeform but in any other context they have no redeeming value whatsoever
15:49 asciilifeform and aren't any kind of good company.
15:50 asciilifeform i'd rather train seals.
15:55 mircea_popescu this may be true.
15:56 mircea_popescu are usure tho, that nothing in this world reduces to cunt physio-anatomy, everything else is special and distinct from cunt ?
~ 29 minutes ~
16:26 asciilifeform i obviously can't speak for mircea_popescu , but personally even cunt is not a get-out-of-biodiesel-free card as far as i'm concerned.
16:27 asciilifeform the bovine has exactly 2 uses:
16:27 asciilifeform 1) milk
16:27 asciilifeform 2) meat.
16:27 asciilifeform (there was once a (3) - plow, but i prefer tractor)
16:33 asciilifeform i suppose i omitted leather.
16:34 trinque how many humans is enough to own an earth?
16:34 asciilifeform ?
16:34 trinque it's relevant.
16:34 trinque losing females is more costly to population than losing males
16:35 trinque said the sexual dynamics of everything ever
16:35 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
16:37 asciilifeform trinque: what's it mean to 'own an earth' ?
16:43 asciilifeform quit
16:43 asciilifeform argh
16:43 * asciilifeform bbl
16:53 trinque it means to have your species as the dominant predatory species in a given area
16:54 trinque rather, not area, the desirable parts of the whole earth
16:54 trinque I don't particularly mind the fact that, having covered the whole habitable earth, we killed off most of the species that used to eat us.
16:56 trinque whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits.
16:58 trinque how many humans on earth does it take to raise an army worth a shit? obviously there is not a single answer to that question because then the other guy gets n+1 and it runs away until you're back at now.
16:58 trinque this idea that we depopulate the earth down to a million individuals or something is not unlike the nerd fantasy that he'd really like his brain to live in a jar in some robot than in his body
17:00 trinque how many humans does it take to own a solar system?
17:02 jurov planning a family?
17:03 trinque lol
17:07 trinque incidentally, the WoT may be the only social system capable of operating at the scale of a planetary system.
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
18:10 phf pretty safe bet, if a111 is missing, logs dead, but no worries they are still being recored with my bouncer. i'm almost done with a better logger, that reconnects. will take it live over the weekend
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~
19:20 mircea_popescu trinque why's more than a coupla needed ?
19:22 mircea_popescu trinque> whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. << depends, dude. argentina would be certainly better if current population got wiped.
19:22 mircea_popescu so would bakersfield ; or the whole state of pennsylvania
19:24 mircea_popescu the one thing agar jars produce consistently is failure. human population no better than random chunk of bacteria in this regard.
~ 25 minutes ~
19:49 danielpbarron oh hey alikim you figured it out?
19:52 alikim so scream much energy... I found that key on another computer
19:54 danielpbarron $ v23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531
19:54 danielpbarron $v 23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531
19:54 deedbot danielpbarron rated alikim 1 << Euloran who likes to hack the client on winbl0wz
19:55 danielpbarron $gettrust deedbot alikim
19:55 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
19:55 alikim I don't like it, it's necessity
19:56 danielpbarron it what, winbl0wz?
19:56 alikim no in what kind of shit the client is
19:56 danielpbarron oh hah, yeh
19:57 danielpbarron but you like the on winbl0wz part
19:57 alikim ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals
19:57 danielpbarron yes! plz write!
19:58 danielpbarron although that won't always be true, but certainly for the time being all that's needed is a console
19:58 alikim I need to dig into how to run a copy of geometry on the client and that's too much for me, otherwise I could reuse network classes from the package and other stuff
19:58 alikim was tempting though
20:01 mircea_popescu alikim good for you eh!
20:02 alikim which part?
20:02 mircea_popescu the recouping your key.
20:02 mircea_popescu alikim> ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals << word. jurov was sort-of working on this, actually.
20:02 mircea_popescu but yes, i support the notion.
20:03 mircea_popescu there's absolutely no reason eulora can't have roguelike interface.
20:03 alikim I have 4 computers and a life and I live with normal people, if you go on them like "I lost my pgp key, I lost my life" they suggest you visit a doctor.. or get laid and drunk in any order
20:04 mircea_popescu alikim i have a life and 5 live-in slavegirls. lost track of how many actual computers, but prolly close to a megawatt any given day. yet if i said "o btw i lost my key" i think everyone'd just stop breathing.
20:04 alikim different environment
20:04 mircea_popescu apparently.
20:04 alikim and priorities
20:04 mircea_popescu possibly.
20:04 mircea_popescu weren't you all about teh money ? \
20:05 alikim I am, why?
20:05 mircea_popescu not that different.
20:06 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/ << scroll down for my business card pic :D
20:06 alikim I believe all my programming endevours will pay off
20:06 alikim money-wise
20:06 mircea_popescu likely.
20:06 mircea_popescu programming has for a long time been talent starved ; likely to continue indefinitely ; and you're certainly talented.
20:07 alikim besides I'm curious so yeah sotimes I do something extra
20:07 mircea_popescu not particularly cultivated, i don't think, looks sort-of alcatel / self-trained level, but that's not really relevant.
20:09 alikim that card doesn't say much
20:09 mircea_popescu name and key. all it needs to say!
20:10 alikim You have younger hands that I'd expect
20:10 mircea_popescu o.O
20:10 mircea_popescu i'm not THAT old.
20:11 alikim I thought it's gonna be hairy sousage like fingers with heavy golden ring
20:11 mircea_popescu aww!
20:11 alikim hm... correcting mental image...
~ 52 minutes ~
21:03 asciilifeform i bet alikim picture mircea_popescu on a 'harley' even.
21:10 asciilifeform just picture, sausage finger, german helmet, on his 'hog' !
21:20 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu 17126/38479; 1272349/1298527
21:20 asciilifeform uh
21:20 asciilifeform no moar gribble ??
21:22 trinque dunno what's going on with it, but I plan on deedbot eating its useful methods
21:22 trinque got the $google one in there today, will do others during next week
21:22 asciilifeform trinque: neato
21:23 trinque asciilifeform: can you think of a reason why passing $calc back to bc would be dangerous?
21:23 trinque I didn't see that the thing can shell out
21:23 trinque but plan on looking at it moar
21:24 asciilifeform iirc it can't shell but can infinite loop.
21:25 asciilifeform don't host it on the missile control box.
21:26 trinque yep, gonna stand up a disposable box for this kind of thing
21:27 trinque can probably wrap the call to bc in some shell script that kills it after x seconds
21:32 danielpbarron later tell worked for me a coupla hours ago ; turns out nubbins` intends to return my t-shirt payment
21:33 asciilifeform danielpbarron: i forget, did you ever give me a place to send shirts to
21:33 asciilifeform quite possibly you did and it got lost
21:33 danielpbarron ya, you were gonna get me a quote on shipping cost
21:33 asciilifeform resend plox
21:33 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/ascii-shirts.asc.txt
21:33 asciilifeform ty
21:34 asciilifeform got it.
21:35 asciilifeform danielpbarron: message did not say how many you need
21:35 danielpbarron a dozen or whatever fits in a reasonable box
21:36 asciilifeform worx
21:36 asciilifeform unrelated lulz,
21:36 asciilifeform http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html
21:36 asciilifeform (via kako)
21:36 asciilifeform 'The /bin vs /usr/bin split (and all the others) is an artifact of this, a 1970's implementation detail that got carried forward for decades by bureaucrats who never question _why_ they're doing things. It stopped making any sense before Linux was ever invented, for multiple reasons...'
21:37 asciilifeform 'Standards bureaucracies like the Linux Foundation (which consumed the Free Standards Group in its' ever-growing accretion disk years ago) happily document and add to this sort of complexity without ever trying to understand why it was there in the first place. 'Ken and Dennis leaked their OS into the equivalent of home because an RK05 disk pack on the PDP-11 was too small" goes whoosh over their heads.'
~ 57 minutes ~
22:34 mod6 :]
22:35 mod6 had a good laugh about all of this craig stuff lately.
22:35 mod6 well, havnen't we all.
22:35 mod6 anyway, what else is up?
22:39 mod6 "i deleted my gpg key" wth, this isn't super mario bros, bro.
22:40 * mod6 crosses eyes
~ 27 minutes ~
23:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i silenced it ; getting upgraded.
23:19 mircea_popescu Known Moduli: 2073847
23:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463812
23:19 a111 Logged on 2016-05-06 02:55 a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ?
23:20 * mircea_popescu recalls the good auld days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-29#1116245 :D
23:20 a111 Logged on 2015-04-29 18:59 mircea_popescu: Submissions: 3930 Known Moduli: 6642
23:20 mircea_popescu so about 55k done in 25 hours.
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