00:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00053224 = 27.1176 BTC [+] {2} |
00:04 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet. |
00:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-03-2016 15:11:17; nubbins`: did you guys also like how the 17 btc of mp's own money that he lost is going to be taken from shareholder dividends? |
00:04 |
ben_vulpes |
"what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism |
00:06 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications. |
00:15 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius! |
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00:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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00:48 |
mod6 |
. |
00:49 |
mod6 |
oops |
00:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27075 @ 0.00053449 = 14.4713 BTC [+] |
00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
haha, people are actually moving to new hampshire ? |
00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes> what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances <<< you don't mean my drinking buddies who a) would take ANY explanation just as long as it doesn't mean gotta get off ass and b) would not be willing, broadly spea |
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00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
king, to spend just about enough to buy half a rifle to defend $item ? |
00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
at the rate this is going, bitbet actually needs to buy a significant pool, which would go for oh... 10-20k ? i guess ? |
00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
if the concern trolls in chan are in fact shareholders and to any degree representative for shareholder sentiment (which i deeply doubt, but w/e)... oy vey. |
00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
one day s.mg is going to do somethingwild like i dunno, acquire a paper clip. watch out then. |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
shareholder sentiment seems most opinionated about s.mpoe |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet? |
00:59 |
* |
ben_vulpes only a curious kourt klown |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
(couldn't possibly own stock, coins, can barely work a paste buffer much less gpg-tron, owns no real computers etc etc) |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss. |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
or perhaps the bitbet rifle is proportionate to the value of $item were item btc. |
01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front. |
01:08 |
ben_vulpes |
but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave. |
01:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00053449 = 6.6277 BTC [+] |
01:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00053188 = 19.3338 BTC [-] {4} |
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01:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00053141 = 20.5656 BTC [-] {2} |
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02:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.00053082 = 35.6446 BTC [-] {4} |
02:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00053011 = 32.3367 BTC [-] {2} |
02:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47374 @ 0.00052996 = 25.1063 BTC [-] {2} |
02:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43576 @ 0.00052983 = 23.0879 BTC [-] |
02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
can discuss qs, waht's teh big deal. |
02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ftr, "the color of money" is so fucking bad, tom cruise prolly wrote the screenplay. |
02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
twice. |
02:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100602 @ 0.0005324 = 53.5605 BTC [+] |
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02:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15706 @ 0.00052983 = 8.3215 BTC [-] |
02:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42594 @ 0.00052916 = 22.539 BTC [-] {4} |
03:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59650 @ 0.00052847 = 31.5232 BTC [-] {2} |
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03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00053021 = 15.9063 BTC [+] |
03:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00053021 = 7.5025 BTC [+] |
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03:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00052986 = 23.1019 BTC [-] {2} |
03:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 534 @ 0.00263851 = 1.409 BTC [-] {2} |
04:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00052838 = 2.6155 BTC [-] |
04:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77008 @ 0.00052815 = 40.6718 BTC [-] {3} |
04:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4892 @ 0.00052766 = 2.5813 BTC [-] |
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04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00052865 = 17.3926 BTC [+] |
04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00052765 = 21.1851 BTC [-] {2} |
05:01 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b156 |
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05:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24520 @ 0.00052762 = 12.9372 BTC [-] {2} |
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05:42 |
punkman |
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/search1/2603000000.html?cid=AEN20160308001300315 |
05:42 |
assbot |
Yonhap News Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPMk4M ) |
05:42 |
punkman |
(from bbet comments) |
05:42 |
punkman |
"S. Korean Go player lowers expectations before facing Google AI" |
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06:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47388 @ 0.00052756 = 25 BTC [-] {2} |
06:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175312 @ 0.00052676 = 92.3473 BTC [-] {6} |
06:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21104 @ 0.00052653 = 11.1119 BTC [-] |
06:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9937 @ 0.00052653 = 5.2321 BTC [-] |
06:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79250 @ 0.00052626 = 41.7061 BTC [-] {4} |
06:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00052762 = 30.6547 BTC [+] |
06:34 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.82075928 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b160 |
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06:54 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426375 <<< I kek'd |
06:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 05:15:34; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius! |
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07:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00052686 = 39.6726 BTC [-] {4} |
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08:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46392 @ 0.00052918 = 24.5497 BTC [+] {4} |
08:19 |
mircea_popescu |
in other random lulz, i wake up to three notifications from various parties spread about the world that transfers sent yesterday have not made it. upon examination, it's three times the case that the fiat world has failed to move money in 30 to 40 hours. |
08:19 |
mircea_popescu |
such visa much wow this is good for fiat. |
08:20 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, and bonus lulz : http://dpaste.com/38CJTKK.txt |
08:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1X9DXT8 ) |
08:20 |
shinohai |
^ FUCKIN LOL |
08:21 |
shinohai |
mircea_popescu can be an Indonesian plantation Lord |
08:21 |
mircea_popescu |
if they weren't so short. |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile... |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi || test -f guile-procedures.txt |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
/bin/sh: line 1: 3309 Segmentation fault makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
Makefile:2567: recipe for target 'guile-procedures.txt' failed |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
phhhreeeee as in fleaaadom !1111 |
08:22 |
thestringpuller |
power outage knocked node offline. happy birthday to me :( |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, so guile doesn't actually build ?! |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
blocks 1,001 other proggies, too |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
(e.g., geda) |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
clearly you must need an upgrade. |
08:23 |
shinohai |
I hope you didn't experience the same catastrophe I did thestringpuller |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this ~was~ upgrade. now will have to blacklist versions of 1,001 things. |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller were you noding@home ? |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform nah, just upgrade everything. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
twice, to be sure. |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
this ~was~ an 'upgrade everything, twice' |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
so do more of it. |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
the most rational hatred of gentoo comes from folks who ask 'how do i freeze' |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
because - you can't |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
it is this amorphous amoebic dysentry. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
so why would i want to run it ? |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
you probably wouldn't ? |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
you keep making me think i would! |
08:25 |
asciilifeform |
well, this might be because there is not actually a usable other linux. |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"son, don't you want to marry this woman ?" "notrly." "well, you should!" "really ?" "yeah. except she's ugly." "well then ?" "but the other women are even uglier." "dad, you're really doing a bum job here." |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
'the other women are goats with makeup on' |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
which - they are. |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
there is precisely one woman on the island. |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
and she is from BingoBoingo's photos. |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm still not marrying fugly. |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
complete with gangrene. |
08:27 |
asciilifeform |
'tis that, or fucking holes you auger in the earth yourself. |
08:27 |
asciilifeform |
which is prolly what comes next, for all of us. |
08:27 |
asciilifeform |
this, or to plant the coveted cunt-turnip. |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
seems altogether likely. |
08:28 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
08:39 |
PeterL |
http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-48144 |
08:39 |
assbot |
A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9HdxL ) |
08:44 |
jurov |
when i tested my mempool hack, I just dropped any priority requirements to have mempool filled quickly. I was surprised there were quite a few spammy tx that neither blockexplorer even knew of. |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean neither ? there's ~500 various web explorers. |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
you actually traced them to the same two nodes ? |
08:46 |
jurov |
traced what? |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme rephrase. "there are more web-based blockexplorer than two. why do you say neither." |
08:48 |
jurov |
i just checked in blockchain, blockr, and some 2-3 others |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ah kk |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
by and large web based ones have to prune very narrowly because well... memory. |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i vaguely recall some discussion about running a b-a one, maybe last year. |
08:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00052597 = 18.2512 BTC [-] |
08:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45135 @ 0.00052597 = 23.7397 BTC [-] |
08:59 |
PeterL |
B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc |
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09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
seems altogether likely the whole keyserver model is getting eaten into g. |
09:02 |
PeterL |
also: gossipd implementation, pgp implementation, bitcoin implementation, kramer-shoop implementation, lisp implementation, c compiler, etc |
09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
pgp prolly also merging into g. |
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09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
c compiler i suppose will have ~0 chances of happening, the horsies are pulling towards lisp. |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
and truly there's no good reason to even justify chip fab if you're not going to do something that radical. |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical. |
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09:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, the republic is currently short about twenty to fifty billion in filthy fiats and a few thousand to thirty million engineer hours, depending who's counting the hours. not depending on who's hiring the engineers tho, you ~can't hire for this. |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
which, in the grand scheme of things, is perfectly reasonable. argentina spends about that every coupla years and has ~icecream and steak to show for it. |
09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
to borrow a cristina-ism, "el proyecto nacional!!11" |
09:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00052597 = 43.8396 BTC [-] |
09:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00052597 = 29.7699 BTC [-] {2} |
09:45 |
deedbot- |
[Trilema] The color of money - http://trilema.com/2016/the-color-of-money/ |
09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up dicecoin |
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10:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00052597 = 27.2452 BTC [-] |
11:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426496 << 'p'. |
11:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 14:03:21; mircea_popescu: pgp prolly also merging into g. |
11:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426493 << block explorers as centralized www servers are retarded. |
11:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 13:59:36; PeterL: B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc |
11:05 |
asciilifeform |
yes, it is nice to link to a block or tx. |
11:05 |
asciilifeform |
but the link should be to LOCAL wwwtronic thing. |
11:05 |
asciilifeform |
as in, on YOUR box. |
11:06 |
asciilifeform |
blockchain means they all agree (or they do not, in which case you know that you have plague and when to put on the beak mask) |
11:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426499 << mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? |
11:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 14:04:37; mircea_popescu: and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical. |
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11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform my idea being that whatever you call it, both g and this p will be running a lot of common code in the cyrpto |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? << i don't have enough money to outright do this. if i had, i'd be outright doing this. |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
but as it is, i'm at best useful as a seed. tho from years of reading the logs it's apparent to me seed-cultural is actually a lot more sorely needed than seed-capital, but that's aside. |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
and fwiw, i doubt anyone has the money, or had, in the past century. we're talking 50bn turkey dollars here. gates can, at most, make a foundation to greenhouse little hussein bahamas out in africa. |
11:28 |
asciilifeform |
makes sense. |
11:29 |
asciilifeform |
it would have to begin with time rented on ordinary fab, or the like. |
11:30 |
asciilifeform |
and the item would, in all likelihood, have to be an fpga. (that can be sold to heathens) |
11:30 |
asciilifeform |
i find the TOTAL absence of documented fpga on the planet , to be interesting. |
11:31 |
asciilifeform |
it is like a gaping black hole in your living room |
11:31 |
asciilifeform |
it is, what used to be called 'strategic good' |
11:32 |
asciilifeform |
(usg recently jailed some schmuck for 'exporting secret' of fpga.) |
11:32 |
deedbot- |
[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Aviator and the flying Apple TV. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/08/the-aviator-and-the-flying-apple-tv/ |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
with any luck, trump wins the election, we get 99 year lease on ft meade and martial law ten miles around the perimeter. |
11:34 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
what ? makes a lot more sense than half his platform, not to mention all the others. |
11:38 |
asciilifeform |
what next, zhirinovsky wins in ru ?! |
11:38 |
asciilifeform |
t is exactly him |
11:38 |
asciilifeform |
and was grown for the same purpose. |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
purpose and history don't mix well |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
historically speaking. |
11:39 |
jurov |
nubbins for president! |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
hitler, also "grown" for "purpose". ask that pappen baffoon |
11:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0005259 = 16.1977 BTC [-] {2} |
11:40 |
asciilifeform |
man in his 70s is automatically a von papen, and not a hitler |
11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this was true before the age of machine-enabled decay. recall the "90 yos get together to establish what 80 yos should retire" thing ? |
11:41 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose he'd make an ok brezhnev. |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
or yeltsin. |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
time for the us to surrender to the republic. |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
well, it's been time for years now, but the chinese ain't going away. |
11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other sexploitation news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/4572f58ef5a45c41c06a1edde2fd8c59/tumblr_mex4w12aH01qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
11:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LbwuSQ ) |
11:50 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform are there currently any self-run block explorer programs? |
11:50 |
asciilifeform |
not afaik |
11:50 |
asciilifeform |
and certainly not trbtronic ones. |
11:51 |
PeterL |
would it be hard to make? |
11:51 |
asciilifeform |
unless phf finished his and forgot to say |
11:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00052531 = 43.6007 BTC [-] {7} |
11:53 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: not so hard, but the reasonable thing to make it in would be shiva |
11:53 |
asciilifeform |
and it needs some work |
11:54 |
PeterL |
hi nubbins` |
11:54 |
nubbins` |
hey |
11:55 |
nubbins` |
!v assbot:nubbins`.rate.hanbot.-1:99ef4b3d8e17f481dc6e4cb4a2592501214f67972bd8fa6ff300daf8dba9f9fc |
11:55 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of -1 for hanbot with note: nobody. doesn't belong here. |
11:55 |
asciilifeform |
hey nubbins` |
11:55 |
nubbins` |
what's new? |
11:55 |
asciilifeform |
notmuch.txt |
11:55 |
nubbins` |
cool.asc |
11:56 |
asciilifeform |
i forgot, what did nubbins` have against hanbot |
11:56 |
nubbins` |
nothing until she negrated me out of spite |
11:56 |
nubbins` |
then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list |
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11:56 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.99800000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b166 |
11:57 |
nubbins` |
funny how this is an ideas place and so many are willing to look past the ideas and focus on the delivery |
11:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00052507 = 5.4082 BTC [-] {3} |
11:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426568 << iirc she runs mpif. |
11:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 16:56:31; nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list |
11:59 |
PeterL |
she runs one of the mpif parts |
11:59 |
asciilifeform |
(and before this, was 'mpoepr' |
11:59 |
asciilifeform |
) |
11:59 |
asciilifeform |
so hanbot is more assetronic than, e.g., asciilifeform. |
12:00 |
nubbins` |
so she used to do forum pr, but now doesn't |
12:00 |
nubbins` |
and now she runs.... this? http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-february-2016-statement/ |
12:00 |
assbot |
MPIF (F.MPIF) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbxHJQ ) |
12:00 |
PeterL |
uhh, did asciilifeform forget about s.nsa? |
12:00 |
nubbins` |
fair enough. there are some here who do less. |
12:00 |
PeterL |
* raises hand |
12:01 |
nubbins` |
in fact, F.MPIF has not performed any economic activity since October 2014 |
12:01 |
nubbins` |
0 in, 0 out every month since |
12:01 |
nubbins` |
but w/e |
12:02 |
PeterL |
they are certainly sitting on lots of cash |
12:02 |
nubbins` |
not belabouring the point, just pointing out that sauce from hanbot holds zero value, and if all she does is run the mouth and not contribute, she's just getting in the way. |
12:02 |
nubbins` |
basically just a vexual without the youtube links |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: assetronic is a thing |
12:03 |
PeterL |
I think you missvalue yourself on this scale |
12:03 |
asciilifeform |
i mean something very specific |
12:03 |
PeterL |
could you define it better then? |
12:03 |
asciilifeform |
i don't have an mpex account; am powerless to move so much as one share of anything; etc. |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
have ~0 btc. |
12:04 |
PeterL |
you have a weird way of measuring things |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
and my understanding to this day is that most #b-a folks originally appeared here because they were involved with one of these things |
12:05 |
trinque |
"oh, I'm only busy reinventing every piece of software and hardware this nascent cryptoculture needs to survive" |
12:05 |
trinque |
lol |
12:05 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: not so far off. |
12:06 |
PeterL |
and you don't see how what you do affects everybody else here? |
12:06 |
trinque |
I respectfully tip my hat to the burden of having seen far further than one can walk (at least yet) |
12:06 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: i was explaining to nubbins` et al that hanbot, whom he dislikes, is actually more of a proper 'asseteer' than i, whom he seems to respect. |
12:06 |
asciilifeform |
ty trinque. |
12:06 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform fwiw i value ability and actions, and little else |
12:07 |
asciilifeform |
anyway i do not know hanbot very well, cannot speak for hanbot. |
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12:07 |
nubbins` |
in fact, vexatiousness seems to be the only quality she's willing to share with the world |
12:08 |
nubbins` |
not worthy of much respect imo. opinions vary |
12:08 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: she wrote a spiffy story, |
12:08 |
asciilifeform |
!s shall be delivered |
12:08 |
assbot |
46 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shall+be+delivered |
12:08 |
nubbins` |
zzzzzzzzzz. |
12:08 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform tell me something in the present tense and i'll maybe be interested |
12:09 |
nubbins` |
wrote, was, ran, etc. |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: iirc the present tense is mostly re: eulora, about which i know ~0. |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
so i am powerless to help. |
12:09 |
nubbins` |
so that's both of us who see no merit to having her on the lordship, then |
12:10 |
nubbins` |
she's about as currently relevant as TAT |
12:10 |
nubbins` |
who, if you'll double-check the list... |
12:10 |
asciilifeform |
am i the last one who isn't obsessed with hunting for folks to throw out of the lordship thing >? |
12:10 |
nubbins` |
an obsession this is not. you asked, i answered |
12:10 |
PeterL |
should the lordship be so stringently policed? |
12:10 |
nubbins` |
PeterL stringent policing isn't a thing here anymore |
12:11 |
nubbins` |
financially or socially |
12:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: did mircea_popescu ever answer your deedbotted grievance thing ? |
12:13 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform you read the logs as well as i. all are aware that the accusation remains unanswered |
12:13 |
PeterL |
did mircea_popescu ever say how his bitcoin handles conflicting transactions? |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: not iirc |
12:14 |
PeterL |
I guess it got missed in all the shouting |
12:14 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform strange since all but hanbot and mp agree that nothing adds up |
12:14 |
asciilifeform |
the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb |
12:15 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: from rereading the log, you can see that mircea_popescu considers the 17 btc to be a justified cost-of-war thing. |
12:16 |
asciilifeform |
he was driving the tank, and it got hit. |
12:17 |
PeterL |
today is presidential primary here in mich, I havn't decided how to vote, half tempted to write in Rand Paul as a protest against all the idiots still running |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
vermin supreme! |
12:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59834 @ 0.00052618 = 31.4835 BTC [+] {2} |
12:19 |
asciilifeform |
and wtf, i oppose throwing folks who are still in the battlefield, out of the lordship, srsly |
12:19 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform what mircea_popescu considers it doesn't necessarily reflect what it actually is |
12:20 |
danielpbarron |
if mich is like conn, he can't vote vermin supreme if he was otherwise going to vote rand |
12:20 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform consider the case that i may consider my cat a steed. if i mount it, what happens? |
12:20 |
PeterL |
no, in Michigan they give us a ballot with both parties and we get to pick wich one we vote on |
12:21 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: mrreauw. |
12:21 |
nubbins` |
anyway |
12:21 |
danielpbarron |
aha, here in Connecticut if you're registered republican you can't vote in democratic primary and vice versa |
12:21 |
asciilifeform |
ftr nubbins` has a first-class cat. |
12:21 |
danielpbarron |
i ran into this problem in 2012 when i wanted to vote for Ron Paul |
12:21 |
PeterL |
in michigan we don't even register as a party |
12:22 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform just wondering: do you still think it's a drill? |
12:23 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: prolly not. |
12:24 |
asciilifeform |
but i also think that mircea_popescu explained his pov pretty well. |
12:24 |
nubbins` |
here's the straight dope. we all knew from the start that mp doesn't care when he's wrong, he just bulldozes. countless examples exist, i don't care to find them for you. kako agrees that the expense is fraudulent, jurov agrees, many others agree; the only ones who don't agree are you, who seem quite willing to let kako take the hit in order to maintain peace, and hanbot, who obviously doesn't count as an opinion |
12:24 |
asciilifeform |
which was, approx., 'i drive the tank and if you don't like how, find another' |
12:24 |
nubbins` |
mp's initial silence on the Nk, Nm node stuff until his other arguments were busted implies strongly that it's total bullshit, |
12:25 |
nubbins` |
his ad hominem attacks (called my wife an ugly broad!) reflected quite poorly on him as a person and as a leader of anything meaningful |
12:25 |
PeterL |
so, as I have been watching my trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out? |
12:25 |
danielpbarron |
it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. As for the others going along with your rabble rousing, that only makes me suspicious of them. |
12:25 |
nubbins` |
his inability to listen when he's offered advice is off-putting, and his inability to admit error when it's glaringly obvious is vulgar |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' |
12:26 |
nubbins` |
he's a small, sad man, nothing more than a mark karpeles with better book-learning. lucked his way into a windfall by recognizing bitcoin as an opportunity early on; just hasn't fallen on the sword yet. |
12:26 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: aha |
12:26 |
trinque |
deedbot-: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d66ee247-5d4d-4328-b08a-fcba4a6b2f48/?raw=true |
12:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuxMR ) |
12:27 |
deedbot- |
accepted: 1 |
12:27 |
trinque |
nubbins`: ^ deed address generator |
12:27 |
nubbins` |
<+danielpbarron>it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. << that's beause kako had the private convo with me, not you |
12:27 |
danielpbarron |
and what is this, the non violent language center? who cares if someone used an "ad hominem" already. In my experience, uses of this term are stupid. |
12:27 |
danielpbarron |
what's next I'm gonna cite private conversations with God? |
12:28 |
trinque |
curl -s http://deedbot.org/bundle-401626.txt | python gen-addr.py |
12:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuIbf ) |
12:28 |
trinque |
1KDzk3vd7TeXtgA3PRY6xyz2qBodPVkPTx |
12:28 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times |
12:28 |
nubbins` |
<+asciilifeform>nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' << agreed, which is why i found hanbot's vulgarity very disheartening; she only jumped into the conversation to insult and vexate. mp's bringing my wife into it was a ludicrous response to me accusing him of fraud. my wife's not in the picture. |
12:28 |
danielpbarron |
oh yeah? where's that? |
12:28 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: did kako sign the bbet-is-sad letter ? |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
because i don't remember seeing his sig on it |
12:29 |
trinque |
as for my perspective, the tools either work or they don't. the WoT, deedbot, forum, so on, sorts itself or doesn't. |
12:29 |
nubbins` |
<+jurov>danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times << HEH |
12:29 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform kako's mouth is shut for the time being |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: let's see if we can agree re: what the dispute is properly about |
12:30 |
nubbins` |
ok |
12:30 |
asciilifeform |
presently i think it was about how bbet is run. |
12:30 |
nubbins` |
it's about how #b-a is run |
12:31 |
asciilifeform |
bbet specifically. |
12:31 |
PeterL |
is #b-a run, or does it just kinda go by itself? |
12:31 |
nubbins` |
PeterL it's run |
12:31 |
asciilifeform |
and from my reading of the listing article, it appears to very clearly imply that it is mircea_popescu's thing and he can take the ball and go home, etc. |
12:31 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform agreed, he has held all the cards since day 1. |
12:32 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: there's the simple question, if sending zerofee tx is acting "in good faith", that #b-a forum could answer |
12:32 |
asciilifeform |
but i don't recall nubbins` being sad since day1 |
12:32 |
nubbins` |
the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx |
12:32 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform i'm not sad today! |
12:32 |
danielpbarron |
so then there is no problem by your own admission nubbins` |
12:32 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron the logic doesn't follow, please explain showing your workings? |
12:32 |
PeterL |
so the only recourse shareholders have is to sell if they disagree with his decisions, maybe they could have brought suit for negligence before the rota when that was a thing? |
12:32 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`> the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx << QED. STFU |
12:33 |
nubbins` |
lol. |
12:33 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, i am not seeing a bbet shareholder stampede |
12:33 |
nubbins` |
so it's okay to commit fraud, as long as the business you're defrauding is on your exchange? |
12:33 |
danielpbarron |
there was a little bit of selling, i was on the recieving end of it |
12:33 |
PeterL |
there was some selling the past couple days |
12:34 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron seems to think that one cannot point out fraud if the fraudster is party to the fraud |
12:34 |
nubbins` |
now there's a logical leap |
12:34 |
nubbins` |
sure you don't wanna explain again? |
12:34 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: the price fell by 40% last month |
12:34 |
PeterL |
some of the smaller bids were removed from the orderbook, but the big ones are still there |
12:34 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i do not agree that the 17 was 'personal expense.' |
12:34 |
danielpbarron |
that's not true jurov |
12:34 |
asciilifeform |
this is the part where i part from nubbins`'s interp. |
12:34 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform fair enough and duly retracted |
12:35 |
nubbins` |
i still believe it was so, in the absence of conflicting evidence |
12:35 |
asciilifeform |
so i do not see the ' mircea_popescu is cheating people ' angle. |
12:35 |
danielpbarron |
there hasn't been nearly enough volume on S.BBET to claim any sort of price falling, except for about a year ago when 10 or so bitcoin worth brought it from the 40s to the teens |
12:35 |
nubbins` |
shame, but apparently i cannot change your mind with facts |
12:35 |
trinque |
in the absence of assets it seems the only way to keep bbet running |
12:35 |
trinque |
this even assuming that it was entirely a mistake and so on |
12:36 |
asciilifeform |
i could see a ' bbet shareholders believe that bbet is mismanaged ' angle, but ~it is THEIR business~ and not mine, and their one option is to get off the bus, as per the articles. |
12:36 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron that was probably all of the non-mp investors leaving. |
12:36 |
danielpbarron |
10 btc is nothing |
12:36 |
nubbins` |
bbet is nothing |
12:36 |
trinque |
faced with "shut bitbet down" or "gift bitbet the funds to keep running" or "loan them", what's the right thing to do? |
12:36 |
nubbins` |
look at the monthly statements |
12:36 |
nubbins` |
you'd make a better profit bumming change outside the metro |
12:37 |
danielpbarron |
there is no right thing. It's Mircea's thing like it or not |
12:37 |
trinque |
companies make errors that cost money, either due to their own mistakes or externalities; that's life |
12:37 |
nubbins` |
trinque that's not the question |
12:37 |
PeterL |
bbet makes like 1-10 btc per month, it might still be overpriced |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: do you understand the essence of what mircea_popescu said to you ? about 'rabble rousing' ? |
12:38 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform got a link? i don't think he's said anything to me lately |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
'rabbling' is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good argument. |
12:38 |
jurov |
good arguments went unheard |
12:38 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform do you disagree that mp's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good ___? |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
bbet is not demoocracy-powered and won't turn into it no matter how many tears. |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
also: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ |
12:39 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k32ZX6 ) |
12:39 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`, you sound like a redditard |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
Professional does not imply any restriction of form.ii You are free to be as offensive, annoying, disparaging, crass, crude or indecorous you feel the need or inclination to be. This includes any and all comments that in other, non-professional venues may be regarded as racist, sexist, chauvinist, fascist or whatever else. Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do. |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
for emphasis: Pros don't give a shit, it's the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do. |
12:39 |
nubbins` |
"too much rabble, not listening" |
12:40 |
danielpbarron |
"do you disagree that X's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from Y" is like a USG memo card for filipino spammers |
12:40 |
trinque |
there's a difference between offending someone with the truth as a matter of tactics, and doing it to the exclusion of sense |
12:40 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron direct mirror response to asciilifeform's statement, keep up or stfu |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
let's imagine i agreed with nubbins` now. |
12:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00052619 = 30.6243 BTC [+] |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
what am i to ~do~ ? |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
i don't even own bbet stock |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
and if i did, the stock doesn't even vote. |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
i could... sell it. |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
this stock, that i never had. |
12:41 |
nubbins` |
trinque i'd like to think i've provided facts in an offensive manner |
12:41 |
PeterL |
you could short the stock? |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
sold! [imaginary stock, for imaginary coin.] satisfied ? |
12:41 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform IDGAF about bbet shareholders. |
12:41 |
nubbins` |
at all. |
12:41 |
nubbins` |
what i do give a shit about is people owning up to their mistakes |
12:41 |
nubbins` |
mp's behaviour is forum-level. |
12:41 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: so if i have an opinion about a fraud that does not directyl concern mne, i should stay silent? cuz this is not a democracy? |
12:42 |
nubbins` |
jurov correct. fraud accusations are NOT welcome here. |
12:42 |
nubbins` |
if you see an error in a financial statement, do not speak up. |
12:42 |
jurov |
hanbot was not directly involved in many frauds, but raising hell from her is wseen as good and proper |
12:42 |
trinque |
define fraud in the context of an unregistered corporation, and what the recourse shall be under no laws which define fraud? |
12:42 |
trinque |
sell and negrate. |
12:42 |
nubbins` |
jurov a blessing from the king will do that. |
12:42 |
trinque |
that's it |
12:43 |
nubbins` |
trinque sell, negrate, smear reputation if desired |
12:43 |
* |
nubbins` invites all to count the number of pages of woodcollector threads on the forum |
12:44 |
danielpbarron |
so go start a forum thread |
12:44 |
nubbins` |
don't feel like it. what's with all the imperatives? nobody to boss around in the trailer park? |
12:44 |
danielpbarron |
not this time of year no |
12:45 |
nubbins` |
my sincere condolences |
12:45 |
jurov |
trinque so, i'll throw your funds at coinbr by sending around zerofee tx, malformed mpex requests, etc. you'll only negrate me and do nothing else? |
12:45 |
trinque |
what is the else? |
12:45 |
jurov |
being loud at the forum |
12:46 |
trinque |
I haven't negrated anyone for being loud! |
12:46 |
nubbins` |
^ as admin of CoinBr, the current situation directly affects jurov. maybe that's why jurov and kako are the only ones not 100% complicit in this scheme |
12:46 |
nubbins` |
he doesn't wanna list a scam fund any more than kako wants to own one |
12:46 |
danielpbarron |
jurov, i don't see the relation. shareholders of bbet never had an expection to control what happens with bbet funds |
12:46 |
jurov |
you have control over your coinbr funds? how? |
12:47 |
PeterL |
danielpbarron they have an expectation that their funds will be used with fiduciary integrity |
12:47 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron you're steadfastly dodging the point that MP's fraudulent math is the issue. IDGAF if it's bbet or him and vexual playing dice |
12:47 |
danielpbarron |
well isn't that the expectation? the whole point of the broker is to hold the funds, and place the orders on my behalf.. |
12:47 |
danielpbarron |
i don't agree there was any fraud |
12:47 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: how frequently do mpex withdrawals go out with 0-fee txns? |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron that disagreement is essentially the only one on the table |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
whether mp committed fraud (intentional or unintentional) |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
some feel yes, some feel no |
12:48 |
nubbins` |
everything else is a discussion surrounding that, or idiots telling adults not to have the discussion |
12:49 |
danielpbarron |
i said i was ok with what he ended up doing, ~before~ he did it |
12:49 |
nubbins` |
ok, great. your opinion is noted. |
12:49 |
PeterL |
danielpbarron if mircea_popescu had sent the funds to his wallet and spent them on hookers and blow, would that count as fraud or would you let him asses that as "the cost of doing business"? |
12:50 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: mpex withdrawals don't come into picture, my withdrawals would, if i sent them zerofee |
12:50 |
danielpbarron |
when that bbet february statement came out, i read it and breathed a sigh of relief, not knowing how controversial it apparently was |
12:50 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract? |
12:50 |
danielpbarron |
PeterL, i've never run a business, i don't know if those things are needed or what |
12:51 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes that transaction B was popescu's personal funds, which he sent of his own free will, AKA a generous donation to bettors. |
12:51 |
jurov |
and the picture is, that some people think that bitbet's funds are at full disposal of mircea_popescu and he can send zerofee tx and all is okay... while coinbr, somehow can not, because "broker"? |
12:51 |
ben_vulpes |
ah well that's trivially answerable is it not? |
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12:51 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes if you pay the pizza guy with your own money, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT WORK, you don't get to automatically bill work for the pizza. |
12:52 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes not trivially, you'd actually have to click a mouse a bunch of times or w/e |
12:52 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case. |
12:52 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: some perl. |
12:52 |
nubbins` |
ben "vous" instead of you; it's a failing of english |
12:52 |
ben_vulpes |
i know i know. |
12:52 |
PeterL |
for the record, I view it as a stupid mistake on mp's part, not fraud, so I am fine with having sold my shares I will just let things be |
12:52 |
trinque |
but that's entirely relevant; management/owners *do* get to make those kinds of decisions |
12:53 |
trinque |
insofar as an agreement between the owners defines such things |
12:53 |
nubbins` |
PeterL the thing about stupid mistakes is that if you realize they've happened and you DON'T CORRECT THEM, they turn into fraud. |
12:53 |
danielpbarron |
i don't agree with the stupid mistake hypothesis either |
12:54 |
PeterL |
think of it this way: guy makes a bad investment and loses money for his firm, does he have to personally repay it or does the company take the loss? |
12:54 |
trinque |
"I unilaterally decided to loan the company X amount emergency funds to keep the lights on." << this is not unheard of, if the officer who made the decision had the power to do so |
12:54 |
jurov |
PeterL: that's question of good faith |
12:54 |
jurov |
is sending zerofee tx acting in good faith? |
12:54 |
ben_vouspes |
PeterL: ah, that's simple! traders get fired as soon as they mean revert. |
12:55 |
danielpbarron |
trinque, and since the alternative was apparently liquidating bbet shares at 0.00001 btc per share, it's absurd that anyone arguing in favor of this outcome has the shareholders interests at heart |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
trinque poor analogy |
12:55 |
trinque |
perhaps, how so? |
12:55 |
PeterL |
he did have a loan from MPIF in the past (to cover a previous mistake), so bitbet having a loan has precedence |
12:55 |
trinque |
*precedent |
12:55 |
ben_vouspes |
weeeel, previous mistake was overpaying investors not double-paying bettors, was it not? |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
paying the light bill is when the company purchases a service (light) for money |
12:56 |
nubbins` |
giving bettors a free handout is when you just give money away |
12:56 |
PeterL |
it was an overpayment, yes, just like this is an overpayment |
12:57 |
PeterL |
should he ask the bettors to refund the money? |
12:57 |
danielpbarron |
i'm curious what would be the argument today if there had never been a transaction B, and transactions A1-An were still nowhere to be found.. |
12:57 |
nubbins` |
if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back. |
12:57 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron why are you curious about something that didn't happen? |
12:57 |
nubbins` |
why that specific non-occurrence, anyway? |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
i'm curious what would be the argument if mp had a vagina |
12:58 |
PeterL |
danielpbarron we would be asking him to talk to a miner and have the txn included in a block |
12:58 |
danielpbarron |
at what cost? |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
or if hanbot contributed anything useful to the realm |
12:58 |
danielpbarron |
apparently any cost >0 would be fraud.. |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
<+PeterL>should he ask the bettors to refund the money? <<< probably not. |
12:58 |
jurov |
danielpbarron: miner would ask much less than 17btc, dontcha think? |
12:58 |
nubbins` |
he could, if he wished, but it would be a lol. |
12:59 |
danielpbarron |
yeah that's a non-starter |
12:59 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron you're inventing hypothetical situations and saying "apparently this'd be fraud" |
12:59 |
nubbins` |
come back to earth |
12:59 |
PeterL |
if the cost is worth the reputation of bitbet paying out thier winnings, then he should pay it |
12:59 |
danielpbarron |
i thought this was a principled stand. Now it's just that 17 was too much to pay? |
12:59 |
nubbins` |
PeterL bitbet has quite a poor reputation, if you haven't noticed |
13:00 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron again, not interested in your hypotheticals |
13:00 |
nubbins` |
you stated your stance |
13:00 |
danielpbarron |
as have you. |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
i think nubbins` was arguing that sending tx b. was sinful. |
13:00 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform no. |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
because of where its inputs had to have come from. |
13:00 |
PeterL |
I would say getting the bets paid is not worth 17 btc |
13:00 |
nubbins` |
charging tx B to bitbet's liabilities was sinful. |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol check it out, still with this ? |
13:00 |
nubbins` |
sending B was noble until he put it on bitbet's books. |
13:00 |
danielpbarron |
incidently it's none of our places to say what it was worth |
13:00 |
* |
mircea_popescu shudders to think what happens if a woman tells nubbins off or something |
13:01 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? |
13:01 |
asciilifeform |
or ought to ? or what. |
13:01 |
asciilifeform |
and hey there's mircea_popescu . |
13:01 |
PeterL |
<nubbins`> if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back. << you would expect the power company to refund you |
13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
really... could we conduct the nutso convention on tardstalk, reddit or whatever usual venue ? |
13:02 |
nubbins` |
<+asciilifeform>nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? <<<...what? link plz. |
13:02 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: only if hanbot argues against fraudsters as usual |
13:02 |
nubbins` |
PeterL i would, yes. mp would not expect the lucky bettors to refund him. |
13:02 |
nubbins` |
jurov ooo fightin words |
13:03 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu seems to feel that fraud accusations have no place in #b-a |
13:03 |
PeterL |
as a lucky bettor, I would be willing to refund the extra winnings, minus a "processing fee" |
13:03 |
nubbins` |
PeterL that's your perogative. i would keep them. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
she may be open for hire, inquire with her. |
13:03 |
shinohai |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKNt0MhTkk |
13:04 |
assbot |
Monty Python - Spam - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyyJw7 ) |
13:04 |
jurov |
lel can i imagine how would hanbot go if nefario, inaba or anyone billed such "expenses" to their shareholders |
13:04 |
nubbins` |
shinohai what's that, a joke? spamming the chan with a video about spam? |
13:04 |
danielpbarron |
PeterL, this is like the "I would gladly pay higher taxes" argument. So go, pay. Make a gracious donation. |
13:04 |
shinohai |
yup |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov plox to quote rather than imagine. this imagination hasn't served you well in the past, won't start to at any point. |
13:04 |
nubbins` |
shinohai nb |
13:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72176 @ 0.00052466 = 37.8679 BTC [-] {6} |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but by and large, the problem seems to be that either throgh simple immersion, or sheer intellectual laziness, or a mix or whatever, lots and lots of people have SERIOIS |
13:05 |
nubbins` |
ooo, mp implies that he doesn't respect jurov's intelligence |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
problems getting out of the fiat garbage. |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
which is fine - but i also don't and won't entertain any of it. |
13:05 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu also won't entertain serious allegations of fraud, to nobody's surprise |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
i think i have an accurate model tho. (which is 'bbet is mircea_popescu's toy, he can take ball and go home if he wants') |
13:06 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform we get it, he has a free pass from you |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, lordlist was seeded, like everything else (bitcoin included) with very low effort , and very low bars, which is how people like nubbins made it in. this is both fine and the right thing. |
13:06 |
asciilifeform |
why does he need pass from me, l0l |
13:06 |
PeterL |
<asciilifeform> nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? << the beauty of publicly published financials is that we can call out things we thing are misrepresented |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
as time goes on, the bar raises, and many/most/whatever can't cope. |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this is also expected. |
13:06 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform he doesn't. yet still you provide. |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL not in those terms. |
13:07 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: as you know, i very frequently disagree with him. you could prolly make a whole book of these. |
13:07 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu's statements about the bar raising seem to directly back up my assertion that hanbot needs to get the heave-ho. |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the beauty of the internet generally is that otherwise unemployable bits of social refuse can offer their unsolicited takes on things. |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
if the people who matter think anything of it, it may see the life of day. if not... a well. |
13:07 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform always a soft disagree, never digging a heel in. |
13:07 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu is actually describing hanbot scathingly well here |
13:08 |
nubbins` |
or maybe she has a job playing diablo somewhere? |
13:08 |
nubbins` |
wait, no, she "runs" F.MPIF which has been inactive for 18 months |
13:08 |
nubbins` |
i have no idea why some of you cannot see this place as nothing more than a "cool kids club" |
13:09 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu but clearly there is the expectation that people inside your WoT will say something if they think your report is wrong |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#comment-116734 << check it out, moar impersonations ? |
13:09 |
assbot |
The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ryzbug ) |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL aha. |
13:09 |
nubbins` |
looky: if anyone feels up to the task, they can take the lordship list and put each member's past accomplishments and current works under their name. maybe see once and for all who cuts the mustard and who cuts the cheese. |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the matter to be resolved exactly one of two ways : fixing the report or fixing the wot. |
13:10 |
nubbins` |
"nassim taleb" lol |
13:10 |
nubbins` |
remember when mp was trying to get him in here? |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
we had an idiocy of ~this caliber back about three-four years ago, which newcomers particularly bored and people without anything to do are invited to read. |
13:10 |
* |
nubbins` laughs until out of breath |
13:10 |
nubbins` |
taleb hanging out on irc with a bunch of drunks and permanent disability folks |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
at that point, i was trying to get a court system off the ground, similarly with random people as judges. |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
rota? |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
traditionally, in the common law at least, the jury is the trier of fact ; with the judge establishing the legal meaning of those facts. |
13:11 |
nubbins` |
the rota was a brutal flop too |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform aha. |
13:11 |
nubbins` |
remember the massive money-losing loophole? |
13:11 |
nubbins` |
mp's ad-hoc approach to life fails more often than it succeeds |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
this system worked more or less for a while, which is to say up to maybe the 1920s. back then people had some sort of relation to reality. |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
it broke down, because by now social consensus is the principal guide for people. and so... the trier of fact established some sort of social consensus and was very surprised when my reaction was to simply disolve it. |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
because apparently i don't know how the world works, and haven't properly groked the memo about how "reality is enacted by convention" or somesuch. |
13:12 |
nubbins` |
logic and maths are now a matter of social consensus? |
13:12 |
nubbins` |
wow. |
13:12 |
nubbins` |
literally speechless |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: dead pilots in the '30s-'40s were sometimes found with the control joystick literally torn from its moorings. they pulled against jammed flight surfaces and physically destroyed the stick. it did not help. |
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13:13 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu if you were to start rota now, what would you do differently? |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i would not consider unqualified people. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
but now i have the ~option~ to do this. back then, i didn't. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
construction, willy-nilly, proceeds on scaffolding. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
which yes, is essentially flotsam. |
13:13 |
nubbins` |
the funny thing about all of this is that if i'd approached the sitation with humbleness and humility, the report would already be changed |
13:13 |
nubbins` |
but because i went on the offensive, mircea_popescu simply cannot back down. |
13:14 |
nubbins` |
incidentally this was the idea from the start |
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13:14 |
nubbins` |
kako was v dismayed |
13:14 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: at least try leaving the joystick attached. |
13:14 |
nubbins` |
begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue |
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13:15 |
nubbins` |
but, fuck mp, so the humiliation proceeded |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't see how it's not fully torn, but hey, maybe just me. |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
note that S.BBET feb 2016 financials remain unsigned by kako. |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: if kako disagrees with mp, i expect that he will put this in writing and sign ? |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
rather than play 'telephone' |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform yes, i expect. |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
so then. |
13:16 |
nubbins` |
so then? |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
wait for him to wake up ? |
13:16 |
nubbins` |
sure. in the meantime, i'll point out that he's had ample opportunity to sign the financials |
13:17 |
nubbins` |
but has not, so far |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
i can see this with naked eye, sure. |
13:18 |
nubbins` |
you can also see with naked eye where kako asserts that mircea_popescu broke 3.2 (d) of listing agreement? |
13:19 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424941 |
13:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think. |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
also nubbins` seems to be painting kakobrekla as a helpless pet of mircea_popescu ? |
13:19 |
nubbins` |
"i was not even aware of any of it" vs 3.2 (d)'s text: "All decisions with regards to any aspect of BitBet ... will require unanimous agreement of all the representatives of BitBet." |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
i do not think kakobrekla would agree. |
13:20 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform your assumption is incorrect, i am painting no such picture |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426933 << ? |
13:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 18:14:50; nubbins`: begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue |
13:20 |
nubbins` |
i am guessing that kako is furiously fighting this fire behind the scenes |
13:21 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform there was no other way for me to say it. |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
so i've been looking for some sort of color revolution pronz to go with this derpy maidan thing, and the best i could find is i guess http://40.media.tumblr.com/9e888de5dbac8d7017d4e4af24cf0fe9/tumblr_meti8qPtdL1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
13:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/24OMNLP ) |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
will hafta do. |
13:21 |
nubbins` |
the guy said that if i made mp angry, mp would dig in his heels and not change mind no matter what. |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
and then i made mp angry |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
and kako got quite upset and said thanks a lot for ruining any chance of getting mp to reverse his decision |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
which is, well... it is what it is. |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
you can make of it what you will |
13:22 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i don't even have a dog in the fight, understand this. |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform nor do i, understand this! |
13:22 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: you had bbet stock, no ? |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
i'm fighting for the side of logic and reason |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
fuck no |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
13:23 |
nubbins` |
have you seen the financials? |
13:23 |
nubbins` |
i don't mean feb's |
13:23 |
nubbins` |
but in general |
13:23 |
PeterL |
it has more revenue than S.NSA |
13:23 |
nubbins` |
PeterL anything with revenue has more revenue than s.nsa |
13:23 |
hanbot |
at the rate this is going, i'd almost rather be sent back to the forum, honestly. |
13:24 |
nubbins` |
hanbot they wouldn't have you |
13:24 |
nubbins` |
talking about bitcoin doesn't make you a part of bitcoin, etc |
13:24 |
nubbins` |
nobody cares who your bf is |
13:25 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform i don't own any MPEx stocks, nor am i shorting any MPEx stocks |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen phf |
13:25 |
gribble |
phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <phf> "experimental" forms to compensate for lack of rigour. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder what happened to him. |
13:25 |
* |
nubbins` is one of the few to be paid in money for services provided rather than in shares |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: he's been gone for longer, before. |
13:26 |
nubbins` |
understand that being "paid" by mp in shares is just a fish hook |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
yeh. i got this feeling he was hatching somerthing. |
13:27 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/patches << still up. |
13:27 |
assbot |
trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 ) |
13:27 |
asciilifeform |
so prolly not dead. |
13:27 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: all shares are fish-hooks? you're a 'jam today' kinda fella ? |
13:27 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform no, that's not what i said. |
13:28 |
nubbins` |
i said shares as remuneration is a fish hook |
13:28 |
nubbins` |
consider: mircea_popescu wanted to pay for eulora heraldics in stock warrant only |
13:28 |
nubbins` |
i said no, that's retarded |
13:28 |
nubbins` |
so got $12k bezzlars worth of btc for the actual work and a fat stock warrant for free |
13:29 |
nubbins` |
if i'd not recevied any cash, but stock warrant only -- i'd be as broke as you, no? |
13:30 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
for one thing, usg would take ~half. and that would buy, wahat, a month of time. |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
which i'd mostly have to spend looking for new work. |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what's severances like these days, for non-monkey non-management sorta jobs ? is it true, ibm offer ~what everyone really gets, coupla k's an a lolipop ? |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
and also try to understand mircea_popescu's very valid observation re: how turning people into salarymen lowers them into pederasty. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: variable. but there is a boojum! typically you have to sign 'noncompete' to get the severance. and you have to be sacked, can't leave on own free will. and the sacking can't be 'for cause', etc, etc. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
lotta crud. |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc cali didn't uphold noncompetes for professional folk. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
3 mo. of wage, is typical. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
cali, aha. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
permitted elsewhere. |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
if that still stands as good law. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
iirc it does. |
13:35 |
fluffypony |
http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/posts/2015-06-10-my-sofa-is-a-sidechain/main.html |
13:35 |
assbot |
My Sofa is a Sidechain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyBZYk ) |
13:35 |
fluffypony |
Jorge Stolfi at his best |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: blatant rip of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 |
13:36 |
assbot |
Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG ) |
13:37 |
fluffypony |
sure, but what if that's just a blatant rip off of this: https://goo.gl/rpnkFP |
13:37 |
assbot |
Pet Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyCdio ) |
13:40 |
nubbins` |
<+asciilifeform>nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? <<< i'm not saying you should have taken the same amount of $$ for running s.nsa as i should have for a dozen hours' work. |
13:40 |
nubbins` |
you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth today |
13:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00052636 = 36.1609 BTC [+] {4} |
13:41 |
nubbins` |
i'm saying that by paying his workers only in shares, mp gets people to work for free. |
13:41 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform would it have made a difference if you were paid $120k? |
13:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00052434 = 7.8588 BTC [-] {2} |
13:41 |
nubbins` |
under the illusion that it's for some greater good. |
13:42 |
nubbins` |
consider that MP has enough money to pay alf double current salary for next decade, cardano could be out in the world, but chooses not to |
13:42 |
nubbins` |
because he can just give alf a pile of useless shares that he apparently can't even afford to cash out |
13:42 |
nubbins` |
and there's one more talking head floating around here on mp's side |
13:47 |
nubbins` |
hey hanbot : http://trilema.com/2016/the-lordship-list-third-year/#selection-1025.15-1029.267 |
13:47 |
assbot |
The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OPOMi ) |
13:48 |
nubbins` |
you're not doing anything useful, are you? |
13:48 |
nubbins` |
"being a lord is not an empty honor, but the honor of recognition, by your peers, for a useful purpose. If you aren't doing anything you broadly speaking can't be one, and if you are one it is upon you to show up in court and help settle matters (and in the process help the other lords understand you and predict your future moves)" |
13:49 |
nubbins` |
also, your fief (F.MPIF) went into hibernation only 6 months after you made it to the lordship list. not a great showing by any measure. |
13:50 |
mats |
the drama continues |
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13:51 |
PeterL |
mpif is run by mircea_popescu, hanbot only does the throwing coins at bitbet part |
13:52 |
nubbins` |
lol. |
13:52 |
nubbins` |
no, she doesn't. |
13:52 |
nubbins` |
go look at F.MPIF statement, show me coins thrown. |
13:52 |
nubbins` |
protip: there are none |
13:53 |
nubbins` |
http://trilema.com/category/fmpif/ |
13:53 |
assbot |
F.MPIF on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQmBG ) |
13:53 |
PeterL |
just a sec, I'll find it eventually |
13:53 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427033 <<< wanna buy some S.POPCORN shares ? |
13:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 18:50:50; mats: the drama continues |
13:54 |
nubbins` |
PeterL october 2014 is the most recent month there was any economic activity in/out |
13:54 |
PeterL |
http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/ |
13:54 |
assbot |
Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQxgg ) |
13:54 |
PeterL |
I don't see one for february |
13:55 |
PeterL |
all-time loss at 3.40250561 |
13:55 |
nubbins` |
PeterL: not only that, but the information contained in the post you linked just doesn't appear in the F.MPIF jan financials |
13:55 |
nubbins` |
http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ |
13:55 |
assbot |
MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk ) |
13:56 |
nubbins` |
PeterL: so if hanbot was betting for F.MPIF PC, why's it not in F.MPIF financials? |
13:56 |
PeterL |
usually it is there as a small change in the total assets |
13:56 |
nubbins` |
nope. |
13:56 |
nubbins` |
no sign. |
13:56 |
jurov |
she publishes that on thewhet.net |
13:56 |
nubbins` |
oh, wait, sorry, there it is. |
13:57 |
nubbins` |
it's just buried in the "assets" section instead of "in/out" |
13:57 |
PeterL |
http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ cash +1.27... tangibles -2.0 |
13:57 |
assbot |
MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk ) |
13:57 |
nubbins` |
i guess the bet money didn't go out. |
13:57 |
nubbins` |
PeterL ok so she runs a F.MPIF PC that.... loses money on bitbet. |
13:57 |
PeterL |
I guess no bets made or resolved in feb |
13:58 |
nubbins` |
sounds like something you'd give your gf to keep her busy. |
13:58 |
PeterL |
right, now you get it, serious stuff |
13:58 |
nubbins` |
yeah, nothing in feb. guess it was getting in the way of diablo |
13:58 |
PeterL |
should take about 20 seconds a month |
13:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32508 @ 0.00052434 = 17.0452 BTC [-] |
13:59 |
PeterL |
perhaps the betting strategy should be revised? |
13:59 |
nubbins` |
"all-time loss at 3.40250561." |
13:59 |
nubbins` |
perhaps the manager should be revised |
13:59 |
nubbins` |
lol |
13:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30142 @ 0.00052421 = 15.8007 BTC [-] {2} |
14:01 |
PeterL |
but there should still be a statement for february, even if it just a signed statement "no bets made or resolved in February" |
14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony is this some sort of dig at monero or something ? |
14:03 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: which thing? |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, stolfi's nonsense. |
14:03 |
fluffypony |
no, it's a review of the Bitcoin Sidechains whitepaper |
14:03 |
fluffypony |
this one: https://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf |
14:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1RyESbT ) |
14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
oh oh. |
14:04 |
fluffypony |
best read consecutively or in conjunction |
14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
bah, talk of a good idea badly executed. why is this schmuck so humourless ? |
14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"As for requirement [4], my sofa may have bugs, such as mites, spiders, or maybe even fleas. However, I have found no evidence on the web that such invertebrates have the power to cause theft of anything, much less theft of digital assets on other sidechains." |
14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i... get it. ok. very funny. sigh. |
14:10 |
nubbins` |
PeterL should be, yeah. |
14:11 |
nubbins` |
maybe hanbot lost 17 btc and she & mp are trying to come up with some linear algebra to explain it |
14:12 |
PeterL |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-03-2016#1419958 |
14:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 02-03-2016 04:52:38; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu, is it okay if i defer this month's pc4 report and combine in april? |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL here's the thing : in my scrollback you appear as engaged in a lengthy monologue which twice now highlighted me. are you going to take a break on your own or do i have to ignore you for a while ? |
14:13 |
nubbins` |
lol |
14:13 |
nubbins` |
next step: mircea_popescu ignores people who talk to nubs |
14:13 |
nubbins` |
quite the kingdom |
14:13 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu I am talking with nubbins`, I guess you have him on ignore still? |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean "still" ?! |
14:14 |
nubbins` |
PeterL there were a handful of double-month reports late last year too |
14:14 |
nubbins` |
i guess hanbot plays so much diablo and loses so much bet money that doing the books once a month is an unbearable burden |
14:14 |
PeterL |
was it yesterday you said you were adding him to ignore? I was not sure if you still ignored him |
14:14 |
nubbins` |
PeterL offending mp is a one way street |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, so now you're sure. |
14:15 |
PeterL |
I was going to ask earlier, but it seemed like a silly question |
14:15 |
nubbins` |
PeterL he'd find it way harder to dodge the fraud allegations otherwise |
14:15 |
nubbins` |
http://deedbot.org/deed-401626-1.txt |
14:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/24OSSrN ) |
14:16 |
PeterL |
and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy |
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↖ |
14:17 |
nubbins` |
well, y'know, bruised egos are tender. |
14:18 |
nubbins` |
ben_vouspes https://blockchain.info/address/1AhQe7VKxvAcnEBbt9mt5iwwxY9LeKbJtR |
14:18 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address 1AhQe7VKxvAcnEBbt9mt5iwwxY9LeKbJtR ... ( http://bit.ly/24OT4qU ) |
14:18 |
nubbins` |
ben_vouspes i'm no blockchain analysis expert but that doesn't look like bitbet's money to me |
14:19 |
nubbins` |
if you trace the chain all the way back, it actually appears to be MPEx's money :0 |
14:20 |
nubbins` |
https://blockchain.info/tx/6ad6de39290431f2077c3e972d72e4fae7eb3bf384a966b9bf7f1c0832e6a7c1 |
14:20 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction 6ad6de39290431f2077c3e972d72e4fae7eb3bf384a966b9bf7f1c0832e6a7c1 ... ( http://bit.ly/24OTm10 ) |
14:20 |
nubbins` |
the 1Gpng output gets successively split up into a bunch of different pieces, and a chunk of it eventually ends up paying out the bettors |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
so, put another way: mircea_popescu borrowed money from MPEx, sent it to bettors, and charged the expense to BitBet |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla jurov ^ gibi-lol |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform ^ |
14:21 |
nubbins` |
bbl lunch / lollercoaster |
14:32 |
nubbins` |
ben_vouspes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426796 http://pastebin.com/raw/1mrrGXt7 |
14:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 17:51:29; ben_vulpes: ah well that's trivially answerable is it not? |
14:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/24OUJwK ) |
14:37 |
danielpbarron |
;;seen williamdunne |
14:37 |
gribble |
williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <williamdunne> But yah |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins` what's that |
14:41 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform that's funds moving out of MPEx address and ending up as inputs to tx "B" |
14:41 |
nubbins` |
mumble mumble conflict of interest |
14:42 |
nubbins` |
mumble mumble MPEx funds being sent to bettors and BitBet getting stuck with the bill |
14:42 |
williamdunne |
danielpbarron: Hello Daniel |
14:42 |
danielpbarron |
hi |
14:43 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform feel free to verify on your own node; blockchain.info may be incorrect |
14:47 |
nubbins` |
interestingly, 11.5 BTC gets broken off and sent to gabriel_laddel at one point. |
14:48 |
nubbins` |
sorry, "gabrielradio", my bad |
14:48 |
danielpbarron |
even if some came or went to lizzard hitler's address it wouldn't prove a damn because this kind of analysis can only be held against ~fiat~ institutions |
14:49 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: fwiw pretty much all of my own coin would appear as 'mpex funds' per your analysis. |
14:49 |
danielpbarron |
ie : in a qntra about silk road cops running with drug funds or the like |
14:49 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform but the difference is that your coin wasn't sent to bettors. |
14:50 |
nubbins` |
anyway, only looked into it at ben_vouspes urging |
14:51 |
nubbins` |
interested parties are free to make their own decisions on what it means |
14:52 |
nubbins` |
given that gabrielradio is ahttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410033 |
14:52 |
nubbins` |
oops! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410033 |
14:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 19-02-2016 02:24:48; assbot: You rated user gabrielradio on 14-Oct-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Apprentice Trilema translator.. |
14:53 |
williamdunne |
Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? |
14:54 |
williamdunne |
I'm down for working on that, I started learning last week funnily enough.. |
14:55 |
danielpbarron |
where've ya been? for the other 24 weeks? |
14:56 |
williamdunne |
I got kicked, spent a while picking myself up. Wasn't reading the logs very often, only Trilema and Qntra |
14:56 |
williamdunne |
Oh and Contravex a little |
14:56 |
danielpbarron |
kicked? |
14:57 |
williamdunne |
Difficulty in my personal life, nothing I couldn't recover from (obviously( |
14:57 |
ben_vouspes |
fucking giga-lol |
14:58 |
ben_vouspes |
mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. |
14:59 |
danielpbarron |
what is personal life? is there impersonal life? |
15:00 |
nubbins` |
ben_vouspes biggest lol yet. |
15:00 |
nubbins` |
it basically violates every document MP has ever signed |
15:00 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla ^ |
15:00 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron for many, working hours are impersonal life |
15:00 |
williamdunne |
danielpbarron: the part of life I wouldn't talk in public |
15:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00052402 = 35.843 BTC [-] {6} |
15:02 |
nubbins` |
ben_vouspes i can't see any other explanation. mircea_popescu claimed ownership of B's inputs, and they came from MPEx. Best-case scenario, mircea_popescu legitimately received the funds from MPEx and paid the bettors out of pocket. Worse-case scenario, he paid the bettors directly with MPEx funds. |
15:02 |
nubbins` |
this is the final nail in the fraud coffin |
15:03 |
nubbins` |
i'm just gonna fuck off for a while and see if anyone bothers to care about all this evidence |
15:03 |
nubbins` |
cheers |
15:03 |
ben_vouspes |
all over 17 btc. |
15:04 |
ben_vouspes |
quelle fucking triste |
15:04 |
fluffypony |
quelle triste destinée! |
15:05 |
* |
fluffypony sings |
15:06 |
danielpbarron |
!rated diana_coman |
15:06 |
assbot |
You rated user diana_coman on 21-Jul-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: fellow Eulorian; gatherer of groceries, and builder of bots. |
15:06 |
danielpbarron |
!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.3:e874ab9653fc33c3f7ec679664111545a565b8d762a8c8d273d8ff060da2c379 |
15:06 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 2 to 3 with note: Fellow Euloran; trainer of noobs, builder of bots, gatherer of groceries. |
15:09 |
williamdunne |
Seems like I chose an exciting time to reappear |
15:09 |
williamdunne |
Gonna go logdiving |
15:09 |
PeterL |
bring some popcorn |
15:10 |
williamdunne |
Whereabouts does all this drama begin? |
15:10 |
danielpbarron |
i thought you read qntra |
15:11 |
PeterL |
about last friday? |
15:12 |
PeterL |
so the 3rd or 4th? |
15:12 |
williamdunne |
I must have missed this part on Qntra.. ok I'm going in |
15:12 |
PeterL |
see the "miner problem" qntra article |
15:15 |
williamdunne |
Yeah the only one I didn't read seemingly |
15:15 |
williamdunne |
Hot stuff |
15:27 |
ben_vouspes |
williamdunne: and woefully incomplete. you'll need to read logs back to friday or thursday of last week to get a notion of what's going on. |
15:28 |
williamdunne |
Yeah I'm on Friday currently |
15:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00052721 = 13.9183 BTC [+] {3} |
15:37 |
nubbins` |
williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423536 is roughly around the time i finished reading qntra A Miner Problem article, with the first shot fired shortly thereafter |
15:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 06-03-2016 12:58:05; nubbins`: asciilifeform i thought it was fairly obvious that MP had been divesting since he lost his shirt w/ MPOE? |
15:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00052649 = 7.055 BTC [-] |
15:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44990 @ 0.00052767 = 23.7399 BTC [+] {3} |
16:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Art project so far, base for impoler http://i.imgur.com/7izudGF.jpg and stuff above. 20' 7" of tree http://i.imgur.com/hLHlToY.jpg |
16:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1R4tkwg ) |
16:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1R4tmV0 ) |
16:01 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.85000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b171 |
16:15 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] New Cross Platform Malware Depends on JVM - http://qntra.net/2016/03/new-cross-platform-malware-depends-on-jvm/ |
16:18 |
solrodar |
nubbins`: I was also paid directly from the same mpex address for this work: http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ |
16:18 |
assbot |
[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4wBMb ) |
16:19 |
solrodar |
all indications were that the payment was in a personal capacity, and it never appeared on the statements of mpex or nsa |
16:19 |
solrodar |
looks like he's in the habit of using an mpex wallet for personal expenses |
16:19 |
solrodar |
that isn't necessarily fraudulent, as long as everything's properly accounted for |
16:20 |
nubbins` |
solrodar petalol, do you have the tx handy? |
16:20 |
danielpbarron |
even if all the addresses were emptied to 1bitcoineater it wouldn't matter. |
16:20 |
solrodar |
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 |
16:20 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4x4Ox ) |
16:21 |
nubbins` |
lel. |
16:21 |
nubbins` |
my money, company's money, w/e |
16:21 |
solrodar |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213127 |
16:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! |
16:22 |
nubbins` |
yotta-lol. |
16:23 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b172 |
16:23 |
solrodar |
of course he would argue that what constitutes "company's money" does not necessarily map directly to addresses on the blockchain |
16:24 |
nubbins` |
if a single bitcoin address is being used for both "company money" and personal money, that's setting off alarm bells |
16:25 |
nubbins` |
do you know what they call it when the CEO uses the company's bank account as his own personal bank account also? |
16:25 |
danielpbarron |
this is like when some celeb gets outed as a womanizer and all the girlies out out of nowhere to retroactively claim he touched her |
16:25 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron hush, dear heart |
16:25 |
nubbins` |
we know it hurts |
16:26 |
danielpbarron |
i am only growing my confident in my position |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
solrodar's claims are backed up by mp's own words in the log, and the blockchain |
16:26 |
danielpbarron |
and more irritated in your persistence nubbins` |
16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24157 @ 0.00052649 = 12.7184 BTC [-] |
16:26 |
danielpbarron |
growing more* |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
you're growing more deaf to reason |
16:26 |
solrodar |
I'm not accusing him of anything here, just giving a bit of context to the earlier discussion |
16:26 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213127 |
16:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! |
16:27 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron: https://blockchain.info/tx/b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458/ |
16:27 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yad6 ) |
16:27 |
danielpbarron |
i hesitate to even attempt reasoning with you, because I believe you have "broken the joystick" so to speak |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/ |
16:28 |
assbot |
MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yhp2 ) |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron at this point i feel ok telling you to fuck off. |
16:28 |
fluffypony |
my wife breaks my joystick like all the time |
16:28 |
nubbins` |
i just gave you (a) mp saying "thanks, here's your money, here's the tx", (b) the tx comes from mpex (c) the tx is not on mpex's books |
16:29 |
nubbins` |
if you hesitate to attempt reasoning with these facts, fuck you |
16:30 |
nubbins` |
i have no interest in reasoning with those who abandon reason |
16:30 |
davout |
nubbins`: i fail to see how (b) implies (c), I can perfectly have an account on my own exchange, can't I? |
16:31 |
nubbins` |
this is true |
16:31 |
davout |
my money is on a paymium-controlled addy, your examination of my withdrawal on the blockchain would conclude to fraud? |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: did you miss the part where i point out that ~all of MY coin is just as 'mpex'y |
16:31 |
nubbins` |
mp could have sent the funds to solrodar from mp's mpex account |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
it would look exactly the same if ~i~ had paid the bet winners. |
16:32 |
williamdunne |
nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet might be a bad habit, I don't think its an issue in itself, although reading through the logs it seems everything has gone to shit |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
from the point of view of nubbins` |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
and it would greatly surprise me if most of mircea_popescu's personal coin was not 1 step from mpex |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
so what is astonishing, nubbins` ? |
16:32 |
davout |
nubbins`: i think you made some valid points, but this is not one of them |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
16:32 |
trinque |
if one had invested significantly in the infrastructure for an exchange, it stands to reason that he'd not use this to hold his own funds, and instead would keep it on a usb stick plugged into his fucking pogo |
16:33 |
danielpbarron |
!rated nubbins` |
16:33 |
assbot |
You rated user nubbins` on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: for the purpose of turning the spam nozzle two clicks towards the off position, and in the interest of discovering whether a lord can be silenced or not. |
16:33 |
danielpbarron |
!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.nubbins`.-3:d427bdf36173205cad1ccd6b5631df015cf4de72d9b7d150d0a03d7ed949655a |
16:33 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for nubbins` from -1 to -3 with note: Suffers from the misguided notion that bitcoin companies are subject to the same rules as fiat |
16:33 |
nubbins` |
davout my logic stretched too far! |
16:33 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron is this a race to -10 now? |
16:33 |
davout |
nubbins`: and I'm out of popcorn! |
16:33 |
nubbins` |
davout guess we better both rewind |
16:33 |
nubbins` |
!rated danielpbarron |
16:33 |
assbot |
You have not rated danielpbarron. |
16:34 |
nubbins` |
wild |
16:36 |
nubbins` |
!v assbot:nubbins`.rate.danielpbarron.-10:9cad03701ab6bdc18d16905aafdb5fb5438ae5f7bd07a5cfdf0a756bdf9cdff3 |
16:36 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of -10 for danielpbarron with note: Devoted to a man rather than to a cause. |
16:36 |
nubbins` |
happy now? |
16:36 |
danielpbarron |
i wear my negative ratings like badges of war |
16:36 |
danielpbarron |
you are in good company |
16:36 |
nubbins` |
i'd say you wear your hemorrhoids like badges of war |
16:36 |
nubbins` |
doesn't make em shiny |
16:37 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424480 |
16:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-03-2016 13:32:31; danielpbarron: i'm not interested in bitcoin if he's not interested in it |
16:37 |
nubbins` |
for shame |
16:38 |
danielpbarron |
is this a surprising position to come from the guy who believes in God (a man) |
16:38 |
nubbins` |
not at all. |
16:38 |
nubbins` |
i didn't say "for surprise" |
16:38 |
davout |
meanwhile, à paris https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdDm4VKWoAAhgBi.jpg:large |
16:38 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/21Xekvx ) |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
!rated nubbins` |
16:39 |
assbot |
You rated user nubbins` on 24-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin. |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
i like nubbins` . |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
here we go |
16:39 |
solrodar |
!rate nubbins` 0 +1 is making some valid points / -1 is being a complete dick about it |
16:39 |
assbot |
Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
and my rating - stands. |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
alf! |
16:39 |
solrodar |
): |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
i like you too |
16:39 |
nubbins` |
solrodar hate the game, not the player |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
but i do recommend to nubbins` , to take a breather |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
or he will pop aneurism. |
16:40 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
16:40 |
nubbins` |
stress left my vocabulary in early 2013 |
16:40 |
nubbins` |
but duly noted -- will prob just watch these embers and see if they take hold |
16:40 |
nubbins` |
my guess is, no |
16:41 |
nubbins` |
will set the stage for the future of TMSR~ either way |
16:42 |
nubbins` |
also, if you don't send me address for these shirts, i'm sending them to real nsa w/ your name on box 8) |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: l0l, meanwhile send my an addr plox, i have been away from home. |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
(they will go to the same place as the last crate, if you still have the addr) |
16:43 |
asciilifeform |
phun phakt, it is a dilapidated post office, where the letters on the sign have fallen off, it is a 'p s ffic' now i think. |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
inside ~smells~ of 1972. |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
posters on the walls, faded so far that you cannot read even, what they were. |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
it represents the side of usg mircea_popescu likes to bring up, the threadbare zimbabwe side. |
16:48 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform i will check my records -- may or may not have kept |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: no worries, i will send it to you again when i get home. |
17:01 |
nubbins` |
see pm |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
also nubbins` iirc someone else wanted some |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
let them first have however many shirts |
17:03 |
nubbins` |
yes, will pull those first. i think it's only a couple |
17:07 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.83235000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b174 |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99...' ?? |
17:15 |
danielpbarron |
someone who wants to mix coins |
17:15 |
williamdunne |
danielpbarron: And needs them sometime between now and.. um |
17:16 |
danielpbarron |
strange that they'd do it on a 50/50 bet though |
17:16 |
danielpbarron |
i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!" |
17:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26739 @ 0.00052818 = 14.123 BTC [+] {2} |
17:18 |
nubbins` |
williamdunne lol |
17:19 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron as of right now it's "are my winnings coming?" |
17:19 |
BingoBoingo |
<danielpbarron> i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!" << General Bitcoin related anxiety from having them away from One's keys |
17:19 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo +1, they're not your winnings until they're in your hands |
17:20 |
danielpbarron |
no i've specifically seen the argument made from a winner that he needed the funds to seed his next bet |
17:20 |
nubbins` |
heh |
17:20 |
nubbins` |
too bad for him, i guess |
17:20 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: That too |
17:20 |
danielpbarron |
the solution is a simple one: stop being poor |
17:21 |
nubbins` |
or stop betting |
17:34 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Elon Musk Venture Remotely Diddles Attentive Owner's Vehicle - http://qntra.net/2016/03/elon-musk-venture-remotely-diddles-attentive-owners-vehicle/ |
17:35 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell fluffypony Did you really sign a document about being more polite? |
17:35 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/03/gchq-uses-mit-speech-to-get-chummy-with-tech-industry-over-crypto-backdoors << l0ltr0nic |
17:36 |
assbot |
GCHQ uses MIT speech to get chummy with tech industry over crypto backdoors | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1R68hjp ) |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
also lulzy, from same rag, http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/03/report-elon-musk-tim-cook-and-larry-page-meet-to-halt-trumps-ascendancy |
17:39 |
assbot |
Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/220EUR3 ) |
17:40 |
nubbins` |
heh |
17:40 |
nubbins` |
why don't they meet to institute an idiot harvest instead? |
17:51 |
hanbot |
so mircea_popescu do you suppose these people were hacked or something, ie some kinda inept Chinese-PR? even without nubbins` meltdown, you have PeterL, the ex-mildmannered professional chemist with a family, going http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427105 like a five year old suddenly, what the fuck is this?! |
17:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 19:16:32; PeterL: and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy |
17:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.0005277 = 15.2722 BTC [-] {3} |
18:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00052649 = 6.5811 BTC [-] |
18:03 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: Crisis does funny things to people's brains |
18:10 |
ben_vouspes |
nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain. |
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18:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 454 @ 0.0216 = 9.8064 BTC [-] {2} |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot nubbins` is just doing his trademark low hanging fruit thing, "what's the lowest effort thing i could possibly do to maintain the pretense i'm doing something". that's his coping mechanism with life, it "worked pretty well" or whatever, it's what he knows, it's what he does. there's a whole stack of these idiots running around like pointless chickens, i dunno that much need be explained. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
he sat in the chan counting his bellybutton lint for years, making inept arguments about pointless shit - he lost all of them, but hey, as long as mp doesn't come straight out with "you're stupid, go back to school" one needn't notice this actually happened, can just as well pretend that blabla. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile other people did things, and there he sat on ass, thinking to himself "oh heh, am i fucking special - all these idiots are sweating bullets and i think i'm exactly the same as them but much smarter because I'm not even doing anything!". aka sprezzatura, ie what happens when you overfeed and underbeat the children. |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
then that bizarre theory got put to the test and it broke like a bridge made out of rickety reeds and now the unspeakable happened, and there is the mirror and oh god the horror. |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
peterl is kinda the same, trying to hang on to the train, which is moving kinda fast and so on. |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the whole incident is certainly a fine example of why b-a and the world generally can't work as a "mp supported" thing. gotta be very expensive to be a lord, or else self-flattery is much to powerful a force. |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
williamdunne> Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? << there was a guy, gabrielradio, did some so-so work. it is HARD. |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin taint" thing means. |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
and why it is both wrong and stupid to entertain fiatista's pretense of re-interpreting bitcoin in fiatista terms. |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
the point is to crush, not to extend, the relevancy of old world idiocy into the new. |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron> what is personal life? is there impersonal life? << funny enough, this actually came up in the harem recently. i liked the conclusion. public are all matters which can be expressed such that all the individuals who know of them can accept the expression. private is everything else. |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why addition is a public matter and faith, not. |
18:28 |
williamdunne |
asa si asa, there is my start |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
hehehe. so go for it. but note that the guy was a native speaker. trilema, and especially ro trilema, is incredibly tense. in fact i do not believe harder source text exists in the whole 2k year history of the place. |
18:28 |
deedbot- |
[Trilema] La Santa Soppressata - http://trilema.com/2016/la-santa-soppressata/ |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
williamdunne> nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet << there is no such thing as "the company wallet". |
18:34 |
ben_vouspes |
as predicted. |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ? |
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18:35 |
williamdunne |
mircea_popescu: Do you have anything in particular that you would care to see translated, ideally something that isn't literal poetry? Yeah I've only just started picking RO up, so it would probably be a slow process.. |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trumps ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut. |
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18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
williamdunne not that there's any hurry. lemme see, something that's more accessible, perhaps interesting, not very ro context-y... |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2009/viitorul-se-compune-din-spaima/ << try that. shorter, earlier... |
18:37 |
assbot |
Viitorul se compune din spaima. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24PlwJa ) |
18:38 |
diana_coman |
williamdunne, for practice, join eulora and I'll offer quests and training in Ro only, no problem |
18:38 |
williamdunne |
I have an account somewhere, it's time I've been lacking. But if I can pick it up, that would be very kind, thank you |
18:39 |
williamdunne |
mircea_popescu: Thanks, I'll start working through it |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
a right, diana_coman also native speaker. |
18:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 143 @ 0.0209 = 2.9887 BTC [-] |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vouspes> as predicted. << predicted my foot. you've prolly not even noticed that trilema's previous article was "color of money", or that the current one continues in the "trolling the idiots" vein. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
also d9b19f22606c66ed66e0271eb52064e61fdbd1c6022aa25b175d691dac12148c4a5e4a7ff00a0971fc35e24ed7909ad195ea38f8d44f1e52fc847deb3c1c8e12 |
18:48 |
ben_vouspes |
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427333 |
18:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 23:10:34; ben_vouspes: nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain. |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vouspes now try sha512("(and if you say anything other than "no it was in my mempool" to this list of easy to explain coincidences, you lose)") |
18:51 |
ben_vouspes |
i have no idea what point you're trying to make. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm just amusing myself, carry on. |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
18:53 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.15, vol: 5584.85171220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 5684.28593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 411.64, vol: 10209.75146076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 13.0417394 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.446436, vol: 39366.03800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 410.57, vol: 1313.03639734 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.052814, vol: 66.46005481 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
;;more |
18:53 |
gribble |
416.637087416 |
18:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00052649 = 4.8095 BTC [-] |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
19:01 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 401773 | Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 | Next Difficulty In: 1426 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;nethash |
19:01 |
gribble |
1143162073.27 |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
19:26 |
nubbins` |
mp sure is zzzzz today |
19:27 |
nubbins` |
hanbot i just heard about your 58mn ECu loss -- maybe when you're able to do something other than run the mouth and lose money, people might care what you have to say? |
19:28 |
nubbins` |
until then, you're kinda just a dr. forehead but better at bleeding cash |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
19:58 |
mats |
is this feud going to be an ongoing thing in the logs now |
19:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44195 @ 0.00052785 = 23.3283 BTC [+] {2} |
19:59 |
nubbins` |
i was done until mp decided he'd have another shot at his trump impersonation |
20:02 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum. |
20:03 |
BingoBoingo |
!b1 |
20:03 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
20:04 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TVZRMS.txt ) |
20:04 |
BingoBoingo |
some old references there |
20:04 |
hanbot |
;;later_tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing. |
20:04 |
gribble |
Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command. |
20:04 |
hanbot |
;;later tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing. |
20:04 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
20:04 |
hanbot |
BingoBoingo shit apparently doesn't change much. |
20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: Some things/people change. Others simply change the body they reside in. Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu |
20:06 |
BingoBoingo |
or ciubob |
20:08 |
hanbot |
hahaha, sounds about right. |
20:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58479 @ 0.00052907 = 30.9395 BTC [+] {4} |
20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe Husciu Obobma? |
20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
brb mtg |
20:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67548 @ 0.0005296 = 35.7734 BTC [+] {2} |
20:29 |
TomServo |
be right back, magic: the gathering? |
20:29 |
nubbins` |
^ |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
it took five passes until "Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu" coallesced into " Reverse of the (everybody is MP) deal. Everbody is bobciu" |
20:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63972 @ 0.00052757 = 33.7497 BTC [-] {2} |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud mtg |
20:30 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mtg | mtg. stands for Magic: The Gathering. A very good and very popular trading card game by Wizards of the Coast. Far superior to Pokemon but targets an older ... |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
guess it must be. |
20:31 |
nubbins` |
;;ud parallel conversation |
20:31 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Parallel+Chatting | The phenomena that occurs when an online chat morphs into two parallel conversations, usually as a result of one person continuing a conversation w... |
20:31 |
danielpbarron |
i used to play it; still got my cards |
20:32 |
TomServo |
same. I should prolly divest them along with my bitcoins, eh? |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ? |
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20:33 |
TomServo |
both, I believe |
20:34 |
danielpbarron |
i mostly did cards in person. there was a windows client called apprentice i used a little |
20:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40403 @ 0.00052649 = 21.2718 BTC [-] |
20:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50834 @ 0.00052649 = 26.7636 BTC [-] |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i think i actually might have played this on the ipad back when i did teh "literature survey" for s.mg |
20:55 |
nubbins` |
til mp owns an ipad |
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20:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427354 << when pigs fly to orbit |
20:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 23:35:45; mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trumps ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut. |
20:56 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., palantir, has higher priority than post office, literally |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you're kidding, right ? |
20:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00052604 = 39.7423 BTC [-] {2} |
20:56 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
mcdonalds has higher priority than walmart, which has higher priority than the army. |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
palantir may be above elon musk, but the whole thing is a "youth communist movement" side project. |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
gone in a weekend. |
20:57 |
asciilifeform |
you haven't seen the post in my town... |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
makes no diff. |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what was that derpy soviet thing that wanted to be an independent art movement ? |
20:58 |
* |
asciilifeform brb |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
gorn! |
21:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57454 @ 0.00052619 = 30.2317 BTC [+] |
21:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20766 @ 0.00052637 = 10.9306 BTC [+] |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148790 @ 0.00052967 = 78.8096 BTC [+] {2} |
21:32 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3642934#msg3642934 |
21:33 |
assbot |
BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6Dw0X ) |
21:33 |
nubbins` |
from the mouth of hanbot : "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching." |
21:34 |
nubbins` |
also from the mouth of hanbot: "You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care. In either case, it is you that will have to adjust (and I do earnestly hope that you do; there are a lot of resources on this very forum, on IRC, and around the web that can help)." |
21:34 |
nubbins` |
this level of irony borders on vulgarity. |
21:36 |
nubbins` |
At any rate, this isn't a chastisement. If you fuck up to this degree, you're stuck having fucked up. |
21:45 |
danielpbarron |
also from that thread >> If a couple of pools were interested in bobbaing up MP's reputation, they could start taking longer to include transactions into blocks if bitbet addresses are involved. Just take care to not wait for way too many blocks, otherwise the pool's reputation get fucked. |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
this, iirc, is in the bbet statement. |
21:46 |
nubbins` |
pool reputation |
21:47 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron: do you agree with hanbot in the linked thread that failing to use tx fees is mooching? |
21:53 |
danielpbarron |
the two situations aren't really comparable; in the case to which she was referring, the 0-fee transaction was spending an output that only had 162 confirmations, several thousand less than the youngest output spent in the now infamous 'A1' |
21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.000529 = 53.9316 BTC [-] {3} |
21:54 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron her statement doesn't contain the qualifiers you mention -- by my understanding of english syntax, she's making a blanket statement. |
21:54 |
kakobrekla |
they also arent comparable in a sense not having full mempools in 2013 and having full mempools in 2016. |
21:54 |
nubbins` |
she didn't say "failing to use tx fees for an output with only X confirmations is mooching" |
21:55 |
nubbins` |
this is also true. |
21:55 |
nubbins` |
mempools in 2013 were ghost towns, and there's hanbot still saying that 0-fee is for idiots |
21:55 |
nubbins` |
fast-forward to 2016 mempool backlog of enormous size... |
21:55 |
kakobrekla |
perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small. |
21:56 |
nubbins` |
...0-fee is not for idiots? |
21:56 |
nubbins` |
does not compute |
21:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79097 @ 0.00052788 = 41.7537 BTC [-] {2} |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i need the quote |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: for the crate. |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
you forgot the actual cost. |
22:01 |
nubbins` |
;;calc 150/[ticker --last] |
22:01 |
gribble |
0.364999026669 |
22:01 |
nubbins` |
^ |
22:01 |
nubbins` |
sorry, wait, wrong currency |
22:01 |
nubbins` |
;;calc 111.61/[ticker --last] |
22:02 |
gribble |
0.27158360911 |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
^ |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
ty nubbins` |
22:02 |
nubbins` |
np |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
that must be a refrigerator-sized crate?? |
22:06 |
nubbins` |
just extremely heavy |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
ah |
22:07 |
nubbins` |
and, if you'll take a look at a map of north america, twodogland is very, very far away from major shipping hubs |
22:07 |
nubbins` |
cripples our online store, let me tell ya |
22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66324 @ 0.00052734 = 34.9753 BTC [-] |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
makes sense. |
22:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00052734 = 20.0389 BTC [-] |
22:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25746 @ 0.00052734 = 13.5769 BTC [-] |
22:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<TomServo> be right back, magic: the gathering? << meeting, for my improvement |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive in total. still can barel |
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22:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-03-2016 01:33:09; mircea_popescu: does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ? |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
y stand to hear it mentioned ! |
22:31 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
client AND server. |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
monstrous thing, it was. |
22:32 |
* |
BingoBoingo did not think his abbreviation would be construed to have that meaning. Was just mundane Tuesday sober meeting. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427419 << he bought it to play games, and told the story in the logz, it was lulzy |
22:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-03-2016 01:55:06; nubbins`: til mp owns an ipad |
22:33 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo how was the coffee |
22:34 |
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nubbins` enjoys thick black coffee that makes his throat feel the way it felt when he smoked cigs |
22:34 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition |
22:34 |
nubbins` |
phun phact, the first drip coffee machine i ever owned, i was making double-strength pots for the first 6 months until i made a cup for a guest one day |
22:35 |
nubbins` |
"wtf is this tar?" |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427352 << why would i put in 1 btc to get 0.99 out !?!??! |
22:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-03-2016 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ? |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
(if ~win~ !) |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march << match starts in, iirc, 20 min. |
22:38 |
assbot |
BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 3 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5VsDd ) |
22:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39355 @ 0.0005258 = 20.6929 BTC [-] {3} |
22:41 |
nubbins` |
pretty even odds there |
22:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6954 @ 0.00052675 = 3.663 BTC [+] |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/138 << prb lulz |
22:46 |
assbot |
Headfirst mining by gavinandresen · Pull Request #138 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrmqHX ) |
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22:49 |
asciilifeform |
how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.' |
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22:49 |
asciilifeform |
9 times of 10 it gives 'corrupted wallet' |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
that trb chokes on, during rescan, and quits. |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
so i go and send on another box and guess what, it had previous trb, and tx is high-s. |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: txid in pm. but this is sad. |
22:52 |
nubbins` |
"Transaction rejected by our node. Reason: Non-canonical signature: High S Value" |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
they should ALL burn. |
22:53 |
nubbins` |
maybe try sending again from MPEx funds and then bill it to bitbet? |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
the miners, the imbecile komyooonity, the faux nodes, the lot. |
22:53 |
nubbins` |
X) |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: this clearly comes next!111 |
22:53 |
nubbins` |
heeeee |
23:02 |
adlai |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFr3K2DORc8 ! |
23:03 |
assbot |
Match 1 - Google DeepMind Challenge Match: Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6LBCR ) |
23:03 |
adlai |
huh, google's stream is borked |
23:05 |
adlai |
seems to work now. |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rrtgzg |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, did the korean lose ? |
23:07 |
nubbins` |
fun fact, go is called baduk in korea |
23:07 |
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nubbins` has a nice baduk set |
23:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31780 @ 0.00053049 = 16.859 BTC [+] |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca |
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23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
rpet" and herp derp "i'm running a broken matching engine and find things to 'support' my nonsensical rabidism anywhere i look!!1" |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
fucktardedly, the talkingheads of alphago are prattling in front of an ~empty~ vertical go board. The game per se is a small corner inset ! |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
or hm, now switched to sane picture... |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform liveblog for me plox ? if you're watching this ? |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
i will be for anoher few min, falling asleep |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
adlai had link earlier if someone wants to see. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
the game is ~dozen mov. in. |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
machine is playing timidly |
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23:19 |
asciilifeform |
if that is the word. |
23:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00053073 = 32.693 BTC [+] |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay ima pull this on a projector. |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
running outta screens here ;/ |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
omfg what is with the talking schmucks. |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i could not endure them, cut the audio. |
23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i only see the gesturing. is there a proper feed of this ? |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
srsly it feels like an american election crud vid |
23:23 |
adlai |
"it's numbers that i don't really understand. it's just really large numbers" |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus the actual game is on the insert to the right ? wtf is with that country srsly. |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
also why is googlebot playing like a fucking housewife. |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
are we going to see a line from sea to sea before this is done ? |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
i said. |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!s housewife |
23:24 |
assbot |
41 results for 'housewife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=housewife |
23:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10035 @ 0.00053049 = 5.3235 BTC [-] |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so you did omg. |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought i had come up with it on my own! turns out it's from logs ? |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427534 |
23:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-03-2016 04:19:40; asciilifeform: machine is playing timidly |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it looks pretty poorly for the bot atm. |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
but somebody (adlai?) noted that earlier games were similar |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ie slow to start ? |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
wins on complexity tail end ? |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
the box plays very conservatively and waits for meat player to slip |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
23:27 |
adlai |
except it seemed in its games against Fan Hui (EU champion) that it never fully capitalized on slips |
23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm kinda surprised they didn't brand the table. |
23:27 |
adlai |
just kept playing the most "consolidating" moves |
23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
if it makes the 5 line i'm gonna stop watching this. |
23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
SLITGHTLY better. |
23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"who plays like this!" |
23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"well... nobody, really." |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
i am nearly through |
23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
also interesting how they tuned the depth search. playing very fast early. |
23:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00052784 = 29.5854 BTC [-] |
23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently google thinks early game not so important in go. |
23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly go with the whole "not really playing, just waiting for human player donations" |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i kinda appreciate the irony of the talk radio derps having chairs but only for display, not to sit in |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
and yes it's a flytrap |
23:36 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] FBI Agents Investigated For Misconduct In Lavoy Finicum's Murder While Insisting Slaying Was Justified - http://qntra.net/2016/03/fbi-agents-investigated-for-misconduct-in-lavoy-finicums-murder-while-insisting-slaying-was-justified/ |
23:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera << It's a common reflex among people who don't grok how cameras work in relation to their body. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
waits, waits. |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
oh my fucking god. |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
enough of this stupid shit. |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform alphago can't play, for srsly. |
23:38 |
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asciilifeform turning in. sznore. |
23:40 |
adlai |
unfortunately it seems their target audience are those who just channel surfed their way over from tennis |
23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
why, they added yelps and some young buttocks ? |
23:44 |
adlai |
it's helpful for people who have never actually played go but the 9p (lighter suit, who does most of the talking) is a little wasted, explaining these most basic things |
23:44 |
adlai |
"it's really complicated, yeah" instead of ... |
23:45 |
adlai |
aha. this is the english commentary, and on the other side of the wall is the korean commentary. they probably speak real go terms over there. |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
is michael redmond actually working on the google side ? |
23:48 |
adlai |
goodnight asciilifeform |
23:48 |
adlai |
michael redmond is working on the "lee sedol's new haircut" side |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
is there actually any other 9 dan anglo guy ? |
23:49 |
adlai |
nope |
23:50 |
adlai |
watts:zen :: redmond:go |