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00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00052633 = 1.3421 BTC [+]
00:00 pete_dushenski no one's claiming that flying and driving and living and breathing under usg don't blow dead bears.
00:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052837 = 1.3209 BTC [+] {2}
00:01 BingoBoingo Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because it’d be too hard on his health/body http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA "
00:01 assbot Christian Bale Exits Michael Mann’s ‘Enzo Ferrari,’ Balks At Weight Gain | Deadline ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPEMJ )
00:02 ben_vulpes > plum role
00:03 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/mlH8jj.jpg
00:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPIfo )
00:03 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move.
00:03 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:14:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)
00:04 pete_dushenski https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?
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00:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPRiX )
00:05 BingoBoingo Not International cxt. International harvester scout.
00:05 pete_dushenski ^or that
00:05 BingoBoingo harvester scout for surfaces more hostile than the roads they were
00:07 ben_vulpes !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
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00:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2984 @ 0.00052865 = 1.5775 BTC [+] {2}
00:08 ben_vulpes !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.punindented.-1:fdd8264a25a95bfb8946055ada53326a3a54a99c6cf8594b6f5effcaae04d145
00:08 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for punindented with note: unwelcome here
00:09 ben_vulpes punindented: you may continue this conversation here
00:09 ben_vulpes !up punindented
00:09 punindented !down punindented
00:10 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373858 << high-end coach then. no difference. and neither ferrari building nor coach building requires or required "the skills" of "the people". such nonsense.
00:10 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
00:10 ben_vulpes so that's one of the four new faces
00:10 ben_vulpes how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities?
00:10 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373865 << also garbage. ferrari "needs" led lights like it needs a hybrid engine. wtf.
00:10 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:17:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.
00:10 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: RE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back.
00:11 thestringpuller Worst case scenario*
00:11 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: So what was so irritating it had to happen in a pm conversation?
00:13 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: 'twas so banal as to be entirely unremarkable
00:13 ben_vulpes should punindented come back, it must be on his knees.
00:13 BingoBoingo I see
00:14 ben_vulpes i don't extend the robert viragh s of the world nearly so much rope as i did before
00:14 ben_vulpes once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves
00:14 ben_vulpes but now i am a man and i hang fools by my own hand
00:14 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model.
00:14 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
00:15 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: He linked me a dpaste. Solid decision.
00:18 ben_vulpes where'd it cut off?
00:18 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores.
00:18 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead
00:19 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians.
00:19 * pete_dushenski doesn't know. hasn't been to brunei.
00:19 ben_vulpes adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding.
00:19 ben_vulpes buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot.
00:20 pete_dushenski i'm tempted to call that more 'traditionalist'
00:21 pete_dushenski which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one
00:21 pete_dushenski even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores.
00:24 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373877 << these were entirely unrelated parts of the zil factory afaik. only reason "zil" was chosen was that b wanted to shine a positive light on the company, like bahamas does with cadillac. not like it matters whether 'beast' shares parts with gmc trucks. hell it probably wouldn't break down in the middle of diplomatic missions if it were a custom job !
00:24 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:20:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
00:26 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> where'd it cut off? << before I anticipate he got really verbose
00:33 thestringpuller jstolfi's response to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41agss/calling_on_the_core_devs_to_change_their_pow/
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00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052343 = 1.3086 BTC [-] {3}
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00:59 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373964 << there were dozens of ~electric~ carmakers at the turn of the 20th century, nevermind the hundreds of gas-powered ones.
00:59 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 02:36:50; asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
00:59 pete_dushenski in related travell nyooz, http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/fowl-therapy-airline-lets-passenger-bring-turkey-on-flight-as-emotional-support-animal&pubdate=2016-01-16
00:59 assbot Fowl therapy: Airline lets passenger bring turkey on flight as ‘emotional support animal’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVG4um )
01:01 pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/TeE8qfz http://i.imgur.com/7hMsbW1.jpg << because in the race to the bottom, it's zero one infinity. next you'll have down syndromers flying transatlantic routes.
01:01 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVGd0J )
01:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVGelc )
01:08 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374083 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-01-2016#1363788
01:08 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 03:36:34; asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
01:08 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 01:59:10; mircea_popescu: here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif
01:21 phf so running linux on macbook pro is all kinds of fun. there's about 50 files exposed in /sys and /proc that control intimate details of the laptop's operation.
01:21 phf like for example controls over the ability to not overheat like crazy and drain battery in half hour.
01:23 phf but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
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01:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8661 @ 0.00052053 = 4.5083 BTC [-] {3}
01:27 phf who would've thought that linux ecosystem could've gotten worse since last time i checked..
01:27 BingoBoingo seriously
01:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00052045 = 1.3532 BTC [-]
01:50 BingoBoingo Oh deedbot down: http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-feeling-pain-below-the-corn-belt/
01:50 assbot Fiat Feeling Pain Below The Corn Belt | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtkMEG )
02:00 ben_vulpes phf: funny you should mention this
02:01 ben_vulpes what kind of linux, what kind of mbp?
02:02 ben_vulpes i'm playing openbsd quest most recently, as openbsd didn't do drivers or reference implementation compilation
02:02 ben_vulpes er
02:02 ben_vulpes i'm playing *gentoo quest* most recently...
02:03 ben_vulpes sorry, $client left many bottles of homemade kahlua at the office
02:03 BingoBoingo lol
02:04 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: the fiat involvement is not clear
02:04 ben_vulpes oh wait this is fiat currency not fiat cars
02:04 BingoBoingo Yeah
02:05 ben_vulpes sorry, the relentless carblogger threads have me twisted
02:05 BingoBoingo lol
02:05 ben_vulpes srsly not the kahlua
02:05 BingoBoingo These things happen
02:09 phf ben_vulpes: macbookpro early 2011 (i believe it's 8,2)
02:10 phf my standard machine, basically
02:11 phf i tried openbsd on it, but it wouldn't even boot. i'm pretty sure it's an issue with integrated/discrete video cards
02:13 phf i'm running slackware on it :>
02:14 ben_vulpes great vintage
02:14 ben_vulpes mine did obsd just fine, didn't want to accelerate videocards though
02:15 phf accelerate? what you trying to watch cat videos? i've only gotten as far as having emacs running on console
02:15 ben_vulpes i had emacs in x11
02:15 BingoBoingo A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
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02:16 ben_vulpes exwm and the reference implementation are ~90% of my current compute goals
02:17 BingoBoingo f2pool's bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13571787#msg13571787
02:17 assbot 「魚池」BTC:180 Phash/s - LTC:550 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtmnKV )
02:17 BingoBoingo "We do not believe the concept of fee market"
02:18 phf i'm planning on staying in console until i figure out how to make base hardware behave
02:19 BingoBoingo danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
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02:20 BingoBoingo !up snuffy
02:22 BingoBoingo Hello snuffy, care to introduce yourself?
02:22 snuffy just lurking...
02:23 BingoBoingo k
02:23 BingoBoingo What brings you around to these parts?
02:30 ben_vulpes > fee market
02:44 BingoBoingo feet market
02:45 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/01/lightning-network-code-finally-public/
02:45 assbot Lightning Network Code Finally Public | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1n42rRQ )
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04:04 BingoBoingo !up punindented
04:05 ben_vulpes meet farket
04:08 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3663
04:08 assbot JL: ‘Be An Asshole’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6L5xi )
04:14 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657
04:14 assbot JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep )
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05:53 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373724 << you forgot creators
05:53 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.
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06:08 thestringpuller Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
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07:54 mircea_popescu !up unkster
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08:02 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 <<< for interview purposes?
08:02 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
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08:23 mircea_popescu !up p15x
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09:24 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 isn't scrypt memory-hard?
09:24 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.
09:24 mircea_popescu technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either.
09:24 mircea_popescu i'm not particularly convinced this would solve anything, also.
09:28 punkman memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next.
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09:48 adlai fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)
09:48 adlai https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/search/?q=proof+of+storage
09:49 assbot IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzs57Q )
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00052248 = 3.0304 BTC [+] {5}
09:55 mircea_popescu ;;ud TSMC
09:55 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TSMC | ... Serbian · Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for TSMC yet. Can you define it?
09:55 mircea_popescu remind me, what was this ?
10:04 punkman Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited
10:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3356 @ 0.00052045 = 1.7466 BTC [-] {2}
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10:17 mircea_popescu ah.
10:17 mircea_popescu nevertheless, stranding the miners is an important reserve power.
10:17 mircea_popescu schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that.
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10:51 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so Luke-Jr isn't all bad?
10:52 mircea_popescu nobody is ALL bad.
10:52 thestringpuller i never took you for an optimist
10:54 mircea_popescu !up ascii_shmoocon
10:54 thestringpuller punkman: direct access to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400%
10:54 mircea_popescu you still shmooing ?
10:55 thestringpuller or at least the initial investment
10:55 ascii_shmoocon reporting live from snorefest!!!1111
10:55 thestringpuller did you got the big data hacking panel?
10:55 mircea_popescu ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's.
10:55 mircea_popescu "these people'd be a lot more interested if they tried cooking naked."
10:56 ascii_shmoocon aha it was surprisingly nonlame. turns out that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps that crash it.
10:56 ascii_shmoocon dragonfly.
10:56 mircea_popescu heh.
10:57 ascii_shmoocon lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary
10:57 ascii_shmoocon poor bastards
10:59 ascii_shmoocon and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist'
10:59 ascii_shmoocon managed to say absolutely nothing.
11:00 mircea_popescu you're enjoying yourself aren't you.
11:00 ascii_shmoocon the crackpot group theory cipher thing yesterday was lulzy
11:01 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack).
11:01 ascii_shmoocon and i now have what is quite likely a lifetime supply of keychain
11:02 ascii_shmoocon thestringpull: not spoof - crash
11:02 thestringpuller HAHA! That's even better.
11:04 ascii_shmoocon next up, some woman re: mesh nets
11:04 mircea_popescu as in stockings ?
11:04 ascii_shmoocon the other sort
11:05 mircea_popescu for hair ?!
11:05 mircea_popescu i thought those went out of fashion.
11:05 ascii_shmoocon nm, 'software defined networks ', buzzword hell
11:06 thestringpuller Peter Todd on why soft forks are awesome! >> https://petertodd.org/2016/soft-forks-are-safer-than-hard-forks
11:06 thestringpuller "An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh.
11:06 mircea_popescu "fucking a ten dollar hooker in the cunt is safer than fucking her in the ass".
11:07 thestringpuller Seems like that PoW-change nuke is a good nuke to have.
11:08 ascii_shmoocon who has it though??
11:08 ascii_shmoocon say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5823 @ 0.00052769 = 3.0727 BTC [+] {3}
11:09 ascii_shmoocon am i thick?
11:11 thestringpuller nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason.
11:12 ascii_shmoocon that's not the issue, but the ~how??~
11:13 thestringpuller i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"
11:14 thestringpuller except for fact all water is irradiated at that point.
11:15 ascii_shmoocon the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...
11:15 ascii_shmoocon ft meade
11:16 ascii_shmoocon in other nyoooz, somebody is already... snoring
11:17 mircea_popescu ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"
11:18 ascii_shmoocon I'm genuinely curious, how this'd work
11:19 mircea_popescu so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,
11:19 ascii_shmoocon ftr I despise miners
11:19 ascii_shmoocon their existence is a bug.
11:20 ascii_shmoocon esp. pools.
11:20 mircea_popescu heh.
11:21 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
11:21 mircea_popescu yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.
11:21 ascii_shmoocon which this
11:22 mircea_popescu ascii_shmoocon that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca.
11:22 ascii_shmoocon that ain't going anywhere anytime
11:22 mircea_popescu quite.
11:24 thestringpuller a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization
11:25 thestringpuller and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.
11:25 thestringpuller !up ascii_shmoocon
11:26 thestringpuller only those in the cartel are "somewhat profitable".
11:26 ascii_shmoocon i said from day 1, it makes no sense to ~sell- miners.
11:26 mircea_popescu depends to whom,.
11:26 mircea_popescu it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots.
11:26 ascii_shmoocon certainly not ones that work.
11:27 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication.
11:27 ascii_shmoocon duds, to avaricious idiots? yes
11:27 thestringpuller instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads.
11:28 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: and this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding.
11:28 ascii_shmoocon fat lotta good it will do
11:29 thestringpuller none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter.
11:31 ascii_shmoocon also making jets is trivial compared to ic fab.
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00052168 = 2.9736 BTC [-] {2}
11:32 ascii_shmoocon aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism.
11:33 thestringpuller so lets annex taiwan?
11:33 ascii_shmoocon for so long as somebody can cream you in production chain, he owns you
11:34 mircea_popescu you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners.
11:35 ascii_shmoocon didja invent a means of dispensing with miners? I'm all ears
11:44 ascii_shmoocon i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
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11:44 ascii_shmoocon *mp transacts
11:45 mircea_popescu eh it's all there, no invention needed.
11:45 jurov imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one that changes often, unpredictably and substantially
11:45 ascii_shmoocon and I admit that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day
11:46 mircea_popescu jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded.
11:47 jurov if what were the case?
11:47 mircea_popescu ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.
11:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3990 @ 0.00052894 = 2.1105 BTC [+] {2}
11:48 mircea_popescu jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented to mining
11:48 ascii_shmoocon also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return ticket
11:49 jurov yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly
11:50 ascii_shmoocon no it is inherently 'fried ice'
11:50 ascii_shmoocon 'varies but not enough to perma-hose diff'
11:50 mircea_popescu haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ?
11:51 ascii_shmoocon and that. go, invent...
11:52 mircea_popescu there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone
11:52 mircea_popescu they go for the whole nine years, they're gonna make a clay divinity!
11:53 jurov well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm"
11:53 jurov *count of
11:53 mircea_popescu why waste the asking.
11:53 mircea_popescu ask him to absolve you of von neumann sin.
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00052932 = 9.369 BTC [+] {7}
11:54 jurov yeaaa...and symbolics sin and ...
11:54 jurov babbage and turing and...
11:54 mircea_popescu i meant something specific.
11:55 mircea_popescu !s "living, of course, in a state of sin"
11:55 assbot 0 results for '"living, of course, in a state of sin"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22living%2C+of+course%2C+in+a+state+of+sin%22
11:55 ascii_shmoocon perelman does not absolve. only - damns.
11:55 mircea_popescu heh. WHAT USE ARE YOU, O LOGS!
11:56 mircea_popescu lol.
11:56 mircea_popescu !up ascii_shmoocon
11:56 thestringpuller asc
11:56 ascii_shmoocon !s state of sin
11:56 assbot 13 results for 'state of sin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=state+of+sin
11:56 jurov von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough.
11:56 jurov and maybe not
11:57 mircea_popescu we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not.
11:57 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: is it still problem is "sane" person owns production?
11:57 ascii_shmoocon you know this reminds me of amateur crypto
11:57 ascii_shmoocon 'hey, this Algorithm confyoozd -me-, it is good...'
11:58 jurov kek
11:59 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: cause right now it seems production is held by incompetent cartel, which is why I said it'd be less of problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.
11:59 jurov for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway
12:00 jurov i want infinite count of proven assymetric functions!!!!
12:00 ascii_shmoocon pray to satan against -competent- one
12:00 mircea_popescu thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.
12:00 mircea_popescu ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D
12:00 thestringpuller jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no? thus at some point it will necesarily change.
12:00 mircea_popescu jurov that's not necessarily a bad thing to want, on its own.
12:01 thestringpuller ascii_shmoocon: competent one does not have === anti-christ
12:01 mircea_popescu very valid place to invest a life in quite respectable research.
12:01 ascii_shmoocon sorta what i do
12:03 jurov !up DerpUnion
12:05 DerpUnion are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
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12:06 DerpUnion and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping them clean off their bitcoins
12:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2176 BTC [-] {2}
12:08 mircea_popescu !down DerpUnion
12:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00053038 = 1.6665 BTC [+] {2}
12:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374174 << the part where they're all siliconed.
12:12 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 05:04:54; pete_dushenski: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?
12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2479 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2932 BTC [-] {2}
12:17 mircea_popescu "Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners.
12:17 mircea_popescu The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite."
12:17 mircea_popescu lmao.
12:18 mircea_popescu yeah, TOTALLY that's what happened.
12:18 mircea_popescu did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ?
12:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374262 <<< the link to "we just read some words mp said" being lost to "everyone", of course.
12:26 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 07:15:57; BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
12:26 mircea_popescu just more things that never occurred.
12:30 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << done
12:30 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
12:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting
12:33 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
12:33 mircea_popescu prunes until their gullet's deeply satisfied.
12:35 mircea_popescu nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear.
12:43 mircea_popescu http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t
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12:43 assbot JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep )
12:43 mircea_popescu o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only.
12:43 mircea_popescu but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes.
12:44 mircea_popescu "cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries.
12:46 thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0219CV4.txt
12:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:01 shinohai ;;blocks
13:01 gribble 393721
13:01 shinohai < 1k to go \o/
13:01 mircea_popescu trinque o look de bot is gone ?
13:08 jurov !up ascii_rear
13:10 ascii_rear sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing
13:11 mircea_popescu !up wangchun
13:11 ascii_rear but on the whole, mega-snorecon
13:11 mircea_popescu ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ?
13:11 ascii_rear c---, unrecommend
13:11 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.
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13:11 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
13:11 ascii_rear it is 30 yr sop
13:12 ascii_rear ancient modemz, electromechanical switch, etc
13:12 ascii_rear mega-unsurpise.
13:13 ascii_rear unsurprise
13:16 ascii_rear but... but.. i got a.. can opener.
13:16 trinque mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works.
13:16 mircea_popescu ascii_rear wait wut ?
13:17 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374510 <<< btctalk message sent, awaiting reply.
13:17 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 18:11:36; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.
13:17 trinque I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck.
13:17 trinque just gotta get the services rewritten
13:17 ascii_rear the company, however, i'd pass on
13:17 ascii_rear mircea_popescu: keychain
13:17 mircea_popescu lol. k.
13:18 mircea_popescu trinque cool beans.
13:25 jurov lol i read alf got a car opener
13:26 jurov which would be shocking given his strict-whitehat proclivities
13:27 BingoBoingo shinohai: Actually if you just want to interview and so a qntra piece that would be swell
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00052731 = 1.5556 BTC [-]
13:28 BingoBoingo or you too danielpbarron
13:28 mircea_popescu for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool.
13:28 BingoBoingo WHo ever he responds to
13:34 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease.
13:34 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
13:34 shinohai BingoBoingo: if he writes back sure
13:35 shinohai wait
13:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00052573 = 3.0755 BTC [-] {4}
13:35 shinohai "Please send your questions to admin at f2pool dot com. Thanks." macbook-air
13:38 BingoBoingo shinohai: Cool. It looks like you have a lead for that F2pool interview you're going to submit to Qntra.
13:39 shinohai > . <
13:39 danielpbarron heh, I got no reply
13:39 shinohai They seem to be going Classic no?
13:41 BingoBoingo shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support
13:41 BingoBoingo !up wangchun
13:48 BingoBoingo IN other news Selkis is going over to Coindesk since Silbert owns them both.
13:51 jurov no idea about either derp
13:51 jurov should i know them?
13:51 BingoBoingo Not really.
13:58 deedbot- [Qntra] Bitstamp Bans Russia - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitstamp-bans-russia/
13:59 BingoBoingo Doomed by politeness https://archive.is/ORTGQ
13:59 assbot Bitcoin Classic - Code of conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ6MBl )
14:00 BingoBoingo Offensive comments related to ... body size << It's because Gavin's bulking isn't it?
14:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2706 @ 0.00052369 = 1.4171 BTC [+] {2}
14:12 mod6 just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo.
14:13 mod6 was able to build v7.10
14:17 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
14:17 gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2571.21, vol: 79290.02680000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2571.21
14:17 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
14:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.28, vol: 13408.56292557 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.443, vol: 9315.19385 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.64, vol: 34099.66123462 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.40632189 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 391.732353, vol: 79280.31390000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 388.3002, vol: 284.25406211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.8158, vol: 79.12573361 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
14:20 BingoBoingo ;;more
14:20 gribble 389.802079088
14:21 jurov mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine
14:27 punkman does trb relay txs with op_return outputs?
14:34 jurov no
14:38 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class.
14:38 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
14:38 mircea_popescu you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright.
14:40 BingoBoingo lol
14:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00053068 = 1.592 BTC [+] {4}
14:42 * BingoBoingo thought Lafond made it clear he exists on bottom. Only spared fatal predation so far because prickly.
14:42 BingoBoingo Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest
14:45 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/vuQ9G << lulzy
14:45 assbot In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO )
14:46 jurov would be hilarious if they reused my hack
14:47 BingoBoingo for srs
14:50 BingoBoingo !Up wang
14:50 BingoBoingo !up wangchun
14:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeh. he was quoting some policeman dude tho
14:54 mircea_popescu lol bitcoin core's implementing teh b-a mempool limit stuff ? ha-ha.
14:55 mircea_popescu !up mynameisv
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005307 = 1.3268 BTC [+]
14:59 mircea_popescu here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe
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14:59 assbot myrathe / 38 / Shih-k’eng-tzu, Taiwan | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zu8kUv )
14:59 mircea_popescu first step to our own tsmc!
15:00 thestringpuller "What I'm doing with my life...Working in electronics company.."
15:02 mircea_popescu very polite, submissive girl too.
15:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6294 @ 0.00053089 = 3.3414 BTC [+] {3}
15:09 ben_vulpes mornin
15:11 mircea_popescu hola
15:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00052771 = 3.8523 BTC [-] {3}
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15:54 mod6 <+jurov> mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine << my gentoo didn't have gdb built via portage, so when I went to build that, it blew up (re: yesterday).
15:54 mod6 instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
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15:55 mod6 that way i can actually debug my bitcoind with musl symbols etc.
15:57 shinohai I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs
15:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00053151 = 1.1693 BTC [-] {2}
15:58 * BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka
16:00 pete_dushenski wouldja look at that... mpex sinks 'bitcoinclassic' and mpoe bust through 53. what a coincidence :P
16:04 BingoBoingo power rangering on https://archive.is/t78mR
16:04 assbot bitcoin/release-notes.md at 0.12 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZmLiN )
16:05 ben_vulpes very causation
16:06 mats totes
16:06 BingoBoingo lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code.
16:06 BingoBoingo BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit.
16:06 BingoBoingo In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
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16:07 ben_vulpes ;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners?
16:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:10 ben_vulpes hawala, then?
16:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053152 = 1.9135 BTC [+]
16:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374417
16:13 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
16:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
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16:14 BingoBoingo My how things have changed from 2014. TMSR has a fallback plan nao: Become Olympus!
16:14 asciilifeform and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots'
16:14 phf this is where it's all going, pgpgrams over gossip of v-ified ledgers
16:15 mod6 neat
16:15 pete_dushenski https://github.com/bitcoin-solutions/multibit/issues/23 << itsa davout from 2012 !
16:15 assbot Mandatory tx fee · Issue #23 · bitcoin-solutions/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zug2xY )
16:16 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i've been wondering, you ever set foot in a factory of whatever type ?
16:16 asciilifeform even as tourist
16:16 pete_dushenski boeing comes to mind
16:16 pete_dushenski yes
16:17 asciilifeform aha! good. do you recall the tooling ?
16:17 asciilifeform the materials ?
16:17 pete_dushenski sure...
16:18 asciilifeform what do you suppose a tungsten carbide endmill would cost if created by hand in quantity of three ?
16:18 phf (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
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16:18 asciilifeform phf: you know very well what happened
16:18 phf :(
16:19 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i suppose they'd be more expensive, perhaps even too expensive to cost-effectively use.
16:19 asciilifeform 'perhaps' l0l
16:20 pete_dushenski you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
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16:21 pete_dushenski have you no faith in human ingenuity ?
16:21 asciilifeform to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.
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16:22 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: myes, i can see this
16:22 asciilifeform i would like to watch pete_dushenski make a piston for his mercedes without carbide tooling
16:22 asciilifeform or to drive same mercedes on ru mud road
16:22 ben_vulpes aha carbides
16:23 asciilifeform (where german tanks sank into the earth)
16:23 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: if faced with ru roads, i'd drive g-wagon, as ru'ians do.
16:23 pete_dushenski i live in paved arctic, so drive s-class
16:23 ben_vulpes anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram
16:23 ben_vulpes ofc one could also do entirely away with the 'cc' part.
16:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but that's perfectly pedestrian 'mad max' remnants-of-the-old, rather than ab initio 'for the 15k!1111'
16:24 ben_vulpes gotta kill the megastates first though.
16:24 BingoBoingo Moar on NODE_BLOOM service bit https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0111.mediawiki
16:24 assbot bips/bip-0111.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugOLr )
16:24 ben_vulpes yeah well who knows how the trajectory actually draws through the possibility space
16:24 BingoBoingo "In initial implementations, old nodes which are not yet aware of NODE_BLOOM and use a protocol version < 70011 may still send filter messages to a node without NODE_BLOOM. This feature may be removed after there are sufficient NODE_BLOOM nodes available and SPV clients have upgraded, allowing node operators to fully close the bloom-related DoS vectors."
16:24 asciilifeform we can say a few meaningful things about where it WON'T go
16:25 asciilifeform because those are the lands of magical pixies
16:25 asciilifeform like the one where semiconductors are made out of horse shit in medieval castles
16:25 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/weathercock/
16:25 assbot "Weathercock" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugUmk )
16:25 asciilifeform or where handmade mercedes drives 100 miles WITHOUT needing new piston rings
16:26 asciilifeform and without shaking the oh-precious princess therein, to death
16:26 * ben_vulpes once attempted to fab a piston
16:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha! and it ran ? for how long ?
16:26 ben_vulpes didn't! at all!
16:26 ben_vulpes like everything else i do.
16:26 pete_dushenski lol
16:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja lap it ?
16:27 * ben_vulpes regards the vast pile of oddities that sorta-worked
16:27 ben_vulpes actually the waste oil furnace was pretty good
16:27 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what was it, stirling engine ?
16:27 ben_vulpes piston or furnace?
16:28 asciilifeform either
16:28 ben_vulpes piston was for lulzy undergraduate water cooled lfr engine design with reciprocating pistons to pressurize fuel lines
16:29 ben_vulpes learned that turbo machinery is clearly the correct solution
16:29 ben_vulpes furnace was for heating warehouse where i was working
16:29 asciilifeform and why waste oil
16:29 asciilifeform neighbours had it ?
16:29 ben_vulpes there was a chinese restaurant giving it away up the street!
16:29 asciilifeform neato
16:29 asciilifeform must've smelled delicious
16:30 * ben_vulpes maggot, proud to find free energy around
16:30 ben_vulpes 'twas outside
16:30 ben_vulpes horrendously noisy
16:30 ben_vulpes BUT SO AWESOME
16:30 ben_vulpes pumped water through the furnace, up to our shop, and through an old car radiator with a fan behind it.
16:30 ben_vulpes did not work as well as the radiant attachments atop the propane tank
16:31 ben_vulpes also blew crap all over the shop while i was finishing tables and whatnot, so eventually decommissioned.
16:31 asciilifeform but slower co poisoning than with tank ?
16:31 ben_vulpes co poisoning not really an issue, it's a slow flow over some steel mesh, more or less everything burns off on the mesh going to co2
16:31 ben_vulpes plus very tall ceilings
16:31 asciilifeform i have what is supposed to be a spiffy propane heater in the workshop, it is not endurable for more than half hour or so
16:32 BingoBoingo kinda lulzy discussion re: NODE_BLOOM bit https://archive.is/Jb1jN
16:32 assbot Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #6579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZuhGj2 )
16:32 asciilifeform and nonsense, it does not all burn off.
16:32 ben_vulpes which one? and why unendurable?
16:32 asciilifeform gasenwagen.
16:32 ben_vulpes well, "most" relative to volume of shop.
16:32 asciilifeform 'Mr. Heater' F232000.
16:33 ben_vulpes oh jeez
16:33 ben_vulpes is that /plastic/?
16:33 asciilifeform the handle was thermoplastic iirc (as on frying pan)
16:33 ben_vulpes you want the eye of sauron: mr heater mh15t
16:34 asciilifeform on wooden floor ?!
16:34 asciilifeform also same problem
16:34 asciilifeform unvented combustion sucks.
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16:34 asciilifeform no way around it.
16:34 ben_vulpes "science doesn't suck -- it blows!"
16:34 asciilifeform unless you burn motherfuckin hydrogen
16:34 ben_vulpes yeah well get a bigger shop
16:35 ben_vulpes only time i ever came close to death by co2 was operating the concrete cutter in someone's basement
16:35 ben_vulpes that was a fun day
16:35 asciilifeform by co2 ?!!
16:35 ben_vulpes c0*
16:35 BingoBoingo Really the solution is electric heat
16:35 ben_vulpes co co
16:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tried electric heat. blows out the breakers, the place is powered via extension cord
16:35 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: electric is the *worst*
16:35 ben_vulpes takes mega current
16:35 asciilifeform i entirely would if could.
16:36 * BingoBoingo appologizes for poor attempt at miner joak
16:36 ben_vulpes oh lol
16:36 punkman wood stove that vents outside mebbe
16:36 ben_vulpes anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
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16:36 asciilifeform punkman: on wooden floor?!!
16:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what is with you and unsanitary working conditions
16:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: money ?
16:37 BingoBoingo alf lives in hovel in jungle
16:37 asciilifeform elementarily ?
16:37 BingoBoingo been discussed before
16:37 asciilifeform the key thing is that the one non-negotiable thing i use, is VERY expensive
16:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00053152 = 3.7738 BTC [+]
16:37 asciilifeform anywhere in the world
16:37 asciilifeform :
16:37 asciilifeform vermin-free area
16:37 ben_vulpes sleep?
16:37 punkman asciilifeform: why not on wooden floor
16:38 asciilifeform as in, no extraneous bodies within ~50 metre in any direction
16:38 asciilifeform wooden floor, in this context, is actually a great deal
16:38 asciilifeform it beats, say, bare permafrost
16:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sleep is actually far too expensive for me to afford
16:39 asciilifeform because the no-vermin thing comes FIRST
16:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374583 << what am i looking at, mircea_popescu ?
16:41 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 19:59:45; mircea_popescu: here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe
16:41 phf warehouses are expensive in dc area. it's some sort of idiot bubble, because you can rent warehouse space by acres in baltimore and whereabouts, only an hour away
16:41 asciilifeform phf: not cheap there either
16:42 asciilifeform at least not in human-sized pieces
16:42 asciilifeform 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
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16:42 asciilifeform and anything you leave there is liable to be carted away or smashed.
16:43 asciilifeform (unless you also station a platoon of orc-hunters therein)
16:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374593 << mega-recommended approach. guaranteed to work unless something is SERIOUSLY broken with the WHOLE rotor.
16:44 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 20:54:44; mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
16:44 ben_vulpes did i hear that someone managed to get rotor to clobber their whole homedir?
16:44 asciilifeform the whole reason i did rotor was to thermonuke whatever dependencies there were on the crud on various people's boxes
16:44 BingoBoingo lol
16:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE
16:45 asciilifeform and street.
16:45 BingoBoingo !b 5
16:45 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GEEEGT.txt )
16:45 ben_vulpes "FOOF"
16:46 asciilifeform ;;later tell punindented what was the point of your http://dpaste.com/0CRQ2PJ ?
16:46 assbot dpaste: 0CRQ2PJ: by punindented ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZujrwG )
16:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:47 asciilifeform who the everliving fuck uses mawk, and for what ??
16:49 phf fwiw, i've ran it on large data before and it was constant faster then bsd awk that comes with os x
16:49 ben_vulpes > i adopted it in 2009
16:49 ben_vulpes guy writes javascript, uses mawk...
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17:05 BingoBoingo Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
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17:07 BingoBoingo !up B0g4r7_
17:12 BingoBoingo In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
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17:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052927 = 2.5405 BTC [-] {3}
17:20 mod6 asciilifeform: punindented was trying to help out a bit -- he hit that weird bug with vdiff on ubuntu or debian or something, when then reminded me that I lost your fix for that. I've searched through logs many times, can't seem to find it. I did actually ask yesterday too:
17:20 mod6 <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
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17:21 mod6 so if you have yours somewhere it'd be awesome to get that and place it somewhere so I don't lose it again.
17:21 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE << yes someone did do this.
17:22 mod6 and blew away their pgp keys too.
17:22 mod6 so make sure you have your keys backed up!
17:22 mod6 and don't nuke your entire world.
17:27 mircea_popescu !up raedah
17:28 raedah buona sera
17:31 mircea_popescu hola.
17:35 mod6 !up hanbot
17:35 hanbot danke
17:36 mod6 bitte
17:37 mircea_popescu lol check it out it's manners day over at old b-a.
17:37 ben_vulpes rude
17:38 * hanbot takes out an extra pinky finger to hold aloft
17:38 mod6 :D
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18:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00052854 = 2.9598 BTC [-] {3}
18:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374627 << same thing that happens to "fridge ecosystem" once the engineer dies.
18:09 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:18:20; phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")
18:09 mircea_popescu ah wellcome back!
18:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374634 << you've created yourself a convenient strawman and are having sex with it.
18:09 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:21:26; asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.
18:10 mircea_popescu again : the volume of production and the relationships between people are unrelated.
18:10 mircea_popescu you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
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18:11 mircea_popescu there's nothing but fartware and wishful thinking backing this notion that "every idiot getting 10 dollars to spend is the best possible world", pangloss.
18:11 mircea_popescu for all you know the world where every derp and his ten dollars causes britney spears is the world where quality musical instruments do not exist.
18:11 mircea_popescu for all you know the world of manufacturing was lots and lots more powerful back when trhey were supplying bach's needs than sepultura's.
18:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374632 << it's what they call "a psychological necessity".
18:12 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:20:50; pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.
18:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.
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18:22 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:34:20; asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks.
18:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052727 = 1.0282 BTC [-] {2}
18:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374718 << i hate radiative heating. my skin feels like i'm sunbathing, and i also hate sunbathing.
18:24 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:36:22; ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.
18:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374796 << because wooden shed with no provisions for proper stove.
18:24 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 23:22:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.
18:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh tell me more about how sane people don't get carbide this or that, please.
18:25 mircea_popescu clearly this shit's working so well.
18:25 asciilifeform hey i have a full set of carbide cutters and lathe in there, l0l
18:25 mircea_popescu i never lived in a fucking hovel where the heating wasn't vented, either outside the wall or in specially made vents ffs.
18:25 mircea_popescu but then again i guess i never lived in civilisation.
18:25 asciilifeform it's a shed
18:26 asciilifeform wasn't meant for life
18:26 mircea_popescu ...
18:26 asciilifeform was built for keeping shovels, etc.
18:26 mircea_popescu so what do you do there then. die first.
18:26 asciilifeform i drill/mill/lathe things etc. there.
18:26 mircea_popescu anyway, so if it's a wooden shed, cut a hole, add a pipe and some insulation, done.
18:26 asciilifeform did this eventually, for the laser.
18:27 asciilifeform but admittedly the subject is of very little interest to people who aren't me.
18:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << this is pretty insane, i had something like high 30's for ~700 euro total.
18:28 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
18:28 asciilifeform take me to your planet.
18:28 mircea_popescu 37k i think it was.
18:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did! you wouldn't even fuck the eager gypsy girls!
18:29 asciilifeform it was mouthwateringly glorious, aha.
18:29 asciilifeform remember how i wanted to buy the dump ?
18:29 mircea_popescu now granted, it was just a concrete slab with corrugated sheet walls and roof.
18:29 asciilifeform the one with the broken bottles
18:29 mircea_popescu lol
18:29 mircea_popescu but apparently this is standard these days.
18:30 asciilifeform corrugated steel walls is a palace to me.
18:30 mircea_popescu ironically, the locals were kinda jealous of the guy, because it comes out that doing a 40 x 100 metre concrete slab and surrounding it in basically an elaborate, roofed fence costs less than building an actual house, and brought in rent slightly more.
18:31 asciilifeform oh l0l! was this the thing by the graveyard ?!
18:31 asciilifeform with the blue roof ?
18:31 mircea_popescu aha
18:31 mircea_popescu middle of nowhere, but hey, it had natl road access right by the door.
18:31 asciilifeform i drooled over it on 'google earth'
18:32 mircea_popescu anyway. back in the day "warehouse" meant brick wall, etc.
18:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374790 << ok 1 in 10 - is sane. the thing that melted my brain was the contention that five barons could have handmade silicon etc.
18:33 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 23:10:18; mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.
18:34 mircea_popescu look at my most recent article, the curve is there and intuitively obvious what's meant.
18:34 asciilifeform aha, just did
18:34 mircea_popescu hm... it never made it to the chan this, did it ?
18:34 asciilifeform in light of it it makes sense.
18:34 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/this-is-how-you-fail-and-why-and-wherefore << it
18:34 assbot This is how you fail ; and why ; and wherefore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/238XvvM )
18:37 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374767 << i do not recall this.
18:37 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 22:20:36; mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
18:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << sharing one makes eminently little sense. you can't rent except by the gate.
18:37 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc
18:38 asciilifeform mod6: was it the the LC_ALL=C thing?
18:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. though it is not unheard-of to subdivide a warehouse
18:38 mircea_popescu not among unknowns.
18:39 mod6 asciilifeform: no i don't think so.
18:39 mircea_popescu heck, i guess in practice every insanity's heard of, including to subdivide a woman unawares.
18:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i once knew two fellas who unknowingly shared a toothbrush for most of a year.
18:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374762 << nah. and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374764 << this is sensible and a welcome idea, in general. tho i still dunno how much the proposed replacement's worth.
18:40 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 22:05:27; BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz
18:40 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 22:12:09; BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13
18:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00052404 = 2.7774 BTC [-] {2}
18:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform confucius say, better share toothbrush than buttplug.
18:40 asciilifeform i went over the crud
18:40 asciilifeform it very much is moar of the same.
18:40 mircea_popescu so did a few other people.
18:41 mircea_popescu would you swear to anything ?
18:42 mod6 here's what it is asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3QGYPPK.txt
18:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozu8cr )
18:42 asciilifeform my tentative conclusion is that the phoundation folk are making things explicit
18:42 asciilifeform (in re: the corralling of the cattle)
18:42 mod6 i should also point out this: http://dpaste.com/01R3NFN.txt
18:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzubVF )
18:43 asciilifeform mod6: i have no idea what is happening here
18:43 asciilifeform but it suggests that your sed is broken
18:43 asciilifeform awk, rather
18:43 punkman I think I had that error, just changed around the quoting of the vdiff command
18:44 mod6 yeah, this seems to be the case on ubuntu & deb (iirc), only works on gentoo for me. you fixed this once iirc. but i've since lost the changes :/
18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00052999 = 2.7559 BTC [+] {3}
18:45 punkman mod6, here's my version: diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
18:45 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange."
18:45 mircea_popescu and what is this "continue reading" thing ?
18:46 asciilifeform 'Starting with Tor version 0.2.7.1 it is possible, through Tor's control socket API, to create and destroy 'ephemeral' hidden services programmatically. Bitcoin Core has been updated to make use of this. This means that if Tor is running (and proper authorization is available), Bitcoin Core automatically creates a hidden service to listen on, without manual configuration. Bitcoin Core will also use Tor automatically to connect
18:46 asciilifeform to other .onion nodes if the control socket can be successfully opened. This will positively affect the number of available .onion nodes and their usage. This new feature is enabled by default if Bitcoin Core is listening, and a connection to Tor can be made.' << l0l!!
18:47 mircea_popescu o.O
18:48 asciilifeform 'Previously, every wallet transaction stored a Merkle branch to prove its presence in blocks. This wasn't being used for more than an expensive sanity check. Since 0.12, these are no longer stored.'
18:48 guruvan mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking
18:48 mircea_popescu isn't that the bdb issue ?
18:48 asciilifeform guruvan: what was this ?
18:48 guruvan can I just build as per instrux here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin and
18:48 assbot the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
18:48 punkman guruvan: possibly because of openssl version
18:48 mircea_popescu gah, is half our documentation unmaintained / out of date by now ?
18:48 asciilifeform holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1
18:48 guruvan asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ?
18:48 mircea_popescu jesus.
18:49 mircea_popescu listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse.
18:49 asciilifeform but iirc even therealbitcoin.org doesn't mention 'v'
18:49 guruvan I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball
18:49 asciilifeform or the modern v-tronic build
18:49 guruvan mircea_popescu: docker image Dockerfile helps document buld process -that part of why I do these
18:50 mircea_popescu lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down.
18:50 mircea_popescu guruvan did you make sense of v so far ?
18:50 guruvan sorta - I think I have everything in the current mirror set all figured out - haven't tried to build anything outta that yet
18:51 mircea_popescu aite.
18:51 asciilifeform #5677 9aa9099 libevent-based http server << let's add mega-dependency crud !1111
18:51 guruvan I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet
18:51 guruvan more or less tried all the pertinent commands - made sure it seemed set up right
18:52 mircea_popescu alright.
18:53 asciilifeform #6650 4fac576 Obfuscate chainstate << wut.
18:53 guruvan seriously asciilifeform what's up there
18:53 guruvan I was wondering about this when I saw this in the logs today (on classic?)
18:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas.
18:53 mircea_popescu so a month old.
18:53 asciilifeform hm
18:54 asciilifeform i saw a .sh, assumed pre-v
18:55 * mircea_popescu dials down panic two notches.
18:55 asciilifeform #6351 2a1090d CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (BIP65) IsSuperMajority() soft-fork << lulz
18:55 asciilifeform #6954 e54ebbf Switch to libsecp256k1-based ECDSA validation << as mentioned earlier by BingoBoingo ?
18:56 asciilifeform #6508 61457c2 Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. << anybody have the time/energy to look? i don't...
18:56 guruvan there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds
18:56 asciilifeform #6210 0e4f2a0 build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build << what's it use instead of gmp ?!!??
18:56 asciilifeform own crackpot bignum ?
18:57 asciilifeform #6619 4862708 depends: bump miniupnpc and ccache << apparently upnp is still in the mix
18:58 guruvan why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery
18:59 mircea_popescu standard explanation, "it has some pores dept x needs"
18:59 mircea_popescu most of the time it's junk anyway, but hey, bureaucracy prevails!
18:59 guruvan LOL :) some pores compay ABC needs ;)
19:00 mircea_popescu no, more like SHITFACE or DERPSTORM or whatever the fuck.
19:00 mircea_popescu COUNTRYBUMPKIN
19:01 * ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal
19:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where was it before? emulated in your brain ?
19:01 ben_vulpes 'twas not sane.
19:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform before it was mass produced because five barons couldn't possibly etc.
19:01 ben_vulpes myriad layers of virtualization.
19:01 asciilifeform well you said 'actual metal', so i wondered about the meaning
19:01 asciilifeform aha
19:02 ben_vulpes have built in docker, cloud, etc
19:02 asciilifeform is this the openbsd-on-old-mac thing ?
19:02 ben_vulpes with a mouse, on a house
19:02 ben_vulpes chapter something in the story, yes asciilifeform
19:02 ben_vulpes should have listened to you, but must piss on each and every fence myself.
19:02 asciilifeform iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort
19:03 asciilifeform or was it netbsd
19:03 ben_vulpes boost ate shit, tri segfaulted
19:03 ben_vulpes video drivers etc
19:03 asciilifeform !s from:BingoBoingo mac bsd
19:03 assbot 2 results for 'from:BingoBoingo mac bsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ABingoBoingo+mac+bsd
19:03 ben_vulpes today it's gentoo quest.
19:03 ben_vulpes againstillnowwithgusto
19:04 asciilifeform neato
19:04 asciilifeform oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc.
19:04 asciilifeform wasn't 'officially support', no.
19:04 ben_vulpes "why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working"
19:05 ben_vulpes 2 things drove this toolchain rebuild: exwm and tri-on-the-metal.
19:05 asciilifeform https://jreypo.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/d330_view.jpg << one quite like this
19:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/238Z64T )
19:05 ben_vulpes nifty device, asciilifeform
19:05 * ben_vulpes downloading stage three for the...second? third? time today
19:05 asciilifeform 55 kg.
19:05 asciilifeform without disks or power supply, iirc.
19:11 guruvan lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken
19:13 guruvan that's on today's agenda is to see why my glibc fails out of the latest portage :P
19:18 ben_vulpes guruvan: what better route forward then? ubuntu 14.04?
19:19 guruvan poh - no - I'm going forward with all my own gentoos :) zomg ubuntu 14.04
19:19 mircea_popescu ah finally found that fucking article!
19:19 guruvan I do use some in some docker images for various purposes, but my heaviest use images are all gentoo based
19:20 mircea_popescu "Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.�
19:20 mircea_popescu That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go.
19:20 mircea_popescu As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material."
19:20 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/dwSkS#selection-241.0-259.119 << anyone remember how infoseek / altavista etc looked back in the day ?
19:20 assbot The Blind Lead the Sighted: ... ( http://bit.ly/238ZRLa )
19:21 guruvan heh I definitely remember altavista
19:22 mircea_popescu the only practical way to know google didn't fucking invent the un-shat-upon screen is to personally know the devs that had done it before. i suspect this is true of most "genius ideas".
19:23 guruvan once those ideas have sufficient network effect yet
19:23 guruvan yes
19:23 punkman did chetty read c++ via text-to-speech?
19:24 mircea_popescu depends who wrote it / on what system, etc.
19:24 mircea_popescu mostly no.
19:24 ben_vulpes there are excellent reasons for the 80-col law.
19:29 punkman my sympathies to friends, family and eulorean tribes
19:29 punkman did she ever keep a blog, memoirs?
19:32 mircea_popescu she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that.
19:33 mircea_popescu not aware that there'd by any memoirs. she was kinda young for that sort of thing.
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00052172 = 2.8434 BTC [-] {5}
19:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2020 @ 0.00053008 = 1.0708 BTC [+]
19:50 shinohai !s http://shapeshit.io/
19:50 assbot ShapeShift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/2391DMp )
19:50 assbot 0 results for 'http://shapeshit.io/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fshapeshit.io%2F
19:50 shinohai LOL
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20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00052107 = 2.6575 BTC [-] {4}
20:07 ben_vulpes shapeshit?
20:09 shinohai Someone set up a phishing site LOL via: https://redd.it/41e094
20:09 assbot SCAM WARNING ShapeSHIT.io fake website : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2392Jrj )
20:19 mod6 <+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right?
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20:35 mod6 mircea_popescu: hey thanks for putting up your steps in the wiki
20:36 mod6 or, whomever did that.
20:43 mircea_popescu i didn't do it. mebbe danielpbarron ? or hanbot ? or pete
20:51 mod6 i appreciate it.
20:54 danielpbarron t'was me
20:55 danielpbarron instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them
20:55 mod6 o7
20:57 phf ben_vulpes: so i'm running slackware with homebrew for linux. base system comes with most things you need to run linux userspace, and if i want something extra i just build it with brew. old dog new tricks
20:58 phf none of that "rebuilding stage 3 with -O30 -mi868a" bullshit :>
21:05 danielpbarron "blocks" : 346223, btw
21:07 mircea_popescu 50k to go
21:10 mats http://time.com/4183442/china-taiwan-tsai-ing-wen-first-female-president
21:10 assbot Taiwan: Tsai Ing-wen Elected as First Female President ... ( http://bit.ly/208MXue )
21:13 asciilifeform https://twitter.com/krislc/status/687943177005838336 << related.
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21:50 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban. << It is, but prolly ought to make sure power ranger nodes don't drop our connecion if we're expecteded to pass some flag while running protocol version 99999
21:50 assbot Logged on 17-01-2016 21:06:37; BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
21:57 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." << SHould be fixed
21:59 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles
22:00 mircea_popescu ok but i mean, instead of article ?
22:02 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/688398372521168896 << this guy is the christina applegate of married-with-vcoinks.
22:03 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort << I imagine ben_vulpes mac has color display greater than 9"
22:07 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ok but i mean, instead of article ? Ah. missed that it snuck in there. Need to check the front page more.
22:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7069 @ 0.00052698 = 3.7252 BTC [+]
22:20 mircea_popescu in other news nobody cares about, https://twitter.com/alazyreader/status/683066459849895936
22:20 mircea_popescu i think i'm ironically much more famous among the idiot us-democrat crowd than among the idiot us-republican crowd.
22:21 BingoBoingo Probably this year
22:21 BingoBoingo In 2012 prolly reversed
22:22 mircea_popescu i don't think either side knew enough of the world back then
22:22 BingoBoingo Well, smaller sample size
22:23 mircea_popescu http://jezebel.com/i-will-eat-chipotle-until-it-fucking-kills-me-1753170975 << in even other news nobody cares about, the one thing mayo gendered retards aka web-feminists are dedicated to is eating dirt until they pop.
22:23 assbot I Will Eat Chipotle Until It Fucking Kills Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0wrx )
22:23 mircea_popescu " I refuse to be deterred by conventional safety. I will eat Chipotle until it fucking kills me.
22:23 mircea_popescu The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school."
22:26 BingoBoingo This really is how the US will fall. The few will be unable to keep with with the many who can not wipe their ass.
22:26 punkman http://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-talked-to-a-witch-who-casts-viruses-out-of-computers-with-magic
22:26 assbot We Talked to a Witch Who Casts Viruses Out of Computers With Magic | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0JuS )
22:27 BingoBoingo It will be impossible for all of these planets to get their asses wiped.
22:31 BingoBoingo Anal fistulas will become the leading cause of mortality in the United States.
22:37 * mircea_popescu is doing his part by extracting young hottie nurses from the system.
22:37 mircea_popescu (who the fuck knew - nurses are like the one profession with the largest bdsm bent, it's HUGE.)
22:37 BingoBoingo seriously
22:40 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
22:40 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.02, vol: 7047.73459568 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.999, vol: 6058.14456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.7, vol: 15400.56479562 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.29341837 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.4358, vol: 61172.33880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.97, vol: 135.48794721 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.074910889, vol: 52.17730934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
22:40 BingoBoingo ;;more
22:40 gribble 385.140188659
22:42 * BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday
22:45 mircea_popescu the us banks seem to be getting more holidays than argentina
22:45 BingoBoingo Martin Luther King day
22:45 BingoBoingo But yes, they get lots of planned holidays
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23:01 gernika ;ud broomstick
23:01 gernika dammit assbot
23:03 gernika ;;ud broomstick
23:03 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Broom+Stick | broomstick. v. Lie your female partner on her back, grab your nutsack and put it in her vagina while grabbing your penis with both hands, one over the other (in ...
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23:47 mircea_popescu "how do you spell illiterate ?" "look it up in the dictionary." "how am i going to look it up if i don't know how to spell it ?!"
23:52 BingoBoingo http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/17/someone-just-accused-me-of-plotting-an-assassination-attempt/
23:52 assbot Lying Liar Connie St. Louis Just Accused Me Of Calling For An Assassination! - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqYrrA )
23:52 BingoBoingo Some people just can't go all the way
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