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00:07 BingoBoingo !up massiro
00:08 massiro thank you.
00:09 massiro <mircea_popescu> said "isolated from the network".
00:09 massiro this reminds me of sending tx with a high-S value.
00:10 massiro latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it.
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00:13 massiro i'm suspecting <mircea_popescu> is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values.
00:16 danielpbarron !s low-s
00:16 assbot 15 results for 'low-s' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=low-s
00:17 massiro low-S is in the signature <R,S>
00:17 BingoBoingo massiro: creates either s, sometimes high, others low
00:18 massiro in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S.
00:19 massiro <BingoBoingo> yes.
00:21 massiro S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now.
00:23 massiro if S is greater, doing S' = 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141 - S will fix it.
00:23 massiro source: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0062.mediawiki#low-s-values-in-signatures
00:23 assbot bips/bip-0062.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UE4Q0h )
00:25 massiro If we make high-S txes, it never be relayed/mined by latest nodes.
00:27 danielpbarron !s Wuille
00:27 assbot 25 results for 'Wuille' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wuille
00:30 massiro and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted.
00:32 massiro i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value.
00:34 massiro in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input.
00:37 massiro low-S-modified 09e82c06 was mined, so ebc5d768 became double spending.
00:42 BingoBoingo !up massiro ty
00:44 massiro So the solution is to use the latest client.
00:45 danielpbarron what is the latest client?
00:46 ben_vulpes solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
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00:47 massiro <danielpbarron> Bitcoin Core 0.11.2 .
00:51 danielpbarron massiro, are you not familiar with http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ?
00:51 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
00:52 massiro <danielpbarron>, i know it a little... that may create high-S.
00:53 massiro If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network.
00:53 danielpbarron heh, we don't.
00:54 massiro <danielpbarron>, hahaha...
00:56 danielpbarron so do you bet on bitbet?
00:56 massiro yes.
00:57 massiro sometimes.
00:58 danielpbarron blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
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01:01 massiro I have known the politics at some extent...
01:02 massiro and I think I'm conservative side such as a block size.
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01:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00048828 = 3.8086 BTC [-] {2}
01:38 gabriel_laddel !up tripleslash
01:49 ben_vulpes good evening gabriel_laddel
01:50 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD
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01:50 assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWFxSG )
01:52 gabriel_laddel !up BingoBoingo
01:52 BingoBoingo ty
01:52 ben_vulpes > nope.js
01:52 ben_vulpes oh ho ho
01:54 ben_vulpes i am very much looking forward to experimenting with this
01:55 ben_vulpes it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux
01:57 gabriel_laddel idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead.
01:57 gabriel_laddel I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and...
01:58 gabriel_laddel well, I end up working on other stuff.
01:59 gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: do you have dedicated sales people at SJ?
02:01 gabriel_laddel !up samO__
02:07 gabriel_laddel !up diana_coman
02:16 gabriel_laddel Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
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02:36 punkman http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes
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02:36 assbot X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSrRO8 )
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03:31 punkman asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet.
03:31 punkman code ref: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#805
03:31 assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1mKg0Gh )
03:32 phf gabriel_laddel: rockets <<http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf
03:32 punkman and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy
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03:32 punkman *in code
03:35 punkman where the fuck does "vin" come from for example
03:37 punkman how does something called "prevout" refer to e6b8aa9ded and the bare GetHash() to 20421a3f19?
03:40 punkman and if "prevout" is e6b8aa9ded why the hell does "if (!mapTransactions.count(prevout.hash))" fail??? you just received the thing
03:42 trinque gabriel_laddel │ I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... << leave gentoo for dead; I couldn't be more pleased with OpenBSD.
03:52 punkman /me would like a bsd machine
03:52 punkman my tv runs on freebsd, but can't do anything there
03:59 gabriel_laddel trinque: and the downsides are..?
03:59 gabriel_laddel drivers, iirc
03:59 trinque have yet to run into any such
03:59 gabriel_laddel so what exactly is it that you're pleased with?
03:59 gabriel_laddel is the notion of dependency graph useful on *BSD
04:00 trinque sure, ports is where portage gets its name after all, isn't it?
04:01 trinque I am pleased with the fact that I ran an installer, and now I have a unix that actually does everything of which it claims to be capable.
04:02 trinque including ZZZ, incidentally
04:02 * trinque runs
04:06 punkman http://i.imgur.com/4Bhz1FS.png
04:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSFY67 )
04:08 gabriel_laddel Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess.
04:17 punkman ^ http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--iqNlzm34--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/195d26utm7m2rjpg.jpg
04:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHlSh )
04:21 phf gabriel_laddel: anything that https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/clx/ doesn't answer?
04:21 assbot CLX Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHW6x )
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04:38 punkman http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35259429
04:38 assbot US Hellfire missile wrongly shipped to Cuba - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFsICg )
04:38 gabriel_laddel phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
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04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00048828 = 3.7251 BTC [-]
04:46 gabriel_laddel sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link.
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05:05 phf gabriel_laddel: perhaps if you stated your problem! xlib is a handful of operations on top of blit, where zen emulates those same operations using opengl. exact details of x talking to hardware is completely outside of scope of xlib, since the whole point is abstract those away.
05:08 gabriel_laddel Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why.
05:10 gabriel_laddel That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious.
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05:54 jurov ;;calc 0.00021465*1.01
05:54 gribble 0.0002167965
05:55 jurov ;;calc 0.00021465/1.01
05:55 gribble 0.000212524752475
06:04 phf "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg
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06:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX5Qbl )
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9287 @ 0.00048828 = 4.5347 BTC [-]
06:26 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNgv0RCF0g
06:26 assbot The Comet Is Coming - SLAMMIN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX89LG )
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07:16 mircea_popescu !up massiro
07:17 thestringpuller is there a way to coredump bitcoind without having to recompile with GDB symbols? I've recompiled it, but it's giving me "illegal instruction" error then closes out. No crash log.
07:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363898 << yeah, and this'd be a problem, apparently.
07:19 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:10:42; massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it.
07:22 mircea_popescu thestringpuller bt is your friend
07:23 thestringpuller wait, if a high-S value transaction is written to block does that affect future tx's?
07:25 massiro thestringpuller, once written in a block, it is valid because consensus is unchanged.
07:26 massiro consensus is unchanged but the latest nodes never relay/mine high-S tx.
07:27 thestringpuller okay now I see. yea anything after this was pulled https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6769 there is a low-s threshold
07:28 thestringpuller i wonder if that caused the wallet issue? spend tx, confirmed under different hash, wallet is now borked?
07:28 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i still need to run gdb to run bt no?
07:29 mircea_popescu thestringpuller that was kakobrekla's theory as to what the problem was previously. however currently, there's a transaction that has 100 confirms, and it's being spent, and it still doesn't get through. so no, that couldn't be it.
07:30 thestringpuller the power rangers seem to break more stuff than they fix
07:31 mircea_popescu consensus!!111
07:31 mircea_popescu hey everyone : do you realise NEXT time you all "consensus" idly over some stupidity, it may mean MORE than 600 btc delayed for MORE than a week because of your agreement to "changes" ?
07:32 mircea_popescu fucking stop and think about sometime before you agree with usg's moles about ever novel ways to fuck up the one thing that threatens their continuous existence.
07:36 massiro "there's a transaction that has 100 confirms" << what is the txid? this? : 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd
07:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830
07:36 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
07:37 mircea_popescu that's what we're currently trying to debug. why the e6b8 one, which spends a single input from the 83e2 one, is not making it through.
07:38 massiro can i have e6b8? i can check whether is has high-S.
07:38 mircea_popescu i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory.
07:38 thestringpuller I don't recall this being a problem till Mt.Gox and Coinkite complianed.
07:39 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96
07:39 assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh )
07:39 mircea_popescu yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr.
07:41 thestringpuller cause if tx is malleable and txid changes, you'll see it change in real time
07:41 thestringpuller but addresses will still get their money
07:41 thestringpuller ugh. i can't even.
07:42 mircea_popescu you're not supposed to use "txids" for anything, but whatever. as discussed yest, this goes up all the way.
07:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363920 << sadly this system is like a tango of six things together, and one of them got way ahead of the others. especially of the block subsidy, which is still way WAY WAY too high.
07:44 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:46:31; ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
07:45 mircea_popescu ironically, this is known of exponentials, they're "too low" in the early middle and too high in the end. but then again, it is known by people who know shit, such as how to design games that people enjoy playing, not by people who don't know jack, such as microsoft-excel based cryptographer-hermits.
07:45 massiro mircea_popescu, sorry, i'm not familiar with trb nodes.
07:46 mircea_popescu massiro follow the link, there's a list there selected for you.
07:46 mircea_popescu !rated massiro
07:46 assbot massiro is not registered in WoT.
07:46 mircea_popescu and maybe even get in the wot.
07:47 mircea_popescu !up massiro
07:47 mircea_popescu so i don't have to keep doing this.
07:47 massiro which link? http://bitcoin-assets.com/?
07:47 assbot #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pkf7eh )
07:48 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96
07:48 assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh )
07:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363931 <<< hey, recall the last fork power rangers did ? the fucking miners are blessfully ignorant of bitcoin politics, what do you want from a random guy.
07:49 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:58:13; danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
07:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363937 << o wow, gabriel_laddel is actually making progress towards his ideal ?
07:50 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 06:50:33; gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD
07:51 mircea_popescu femlisp lessonmap fuck now i wanna see this thing.
07:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363951 << oh no you don't. fuck you, keep working on THAT thing wtf.
07:52 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 07:16:11; gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
07:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363953 << lol what the fuck are they going to do, "solution". is it really so hard to say "they fucked up, it's unfixable", must everything be packaged in this "hopefully the us army takes tikrit with two tootphicks and an empty tube of minty flavoured toothpaste" ?
07:56 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 07:36:52; punkman: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes
07:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363959 << heh. cheers.
07:57 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 08:32:46; punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy
07:57 mircea_popescu "it can not be specified because we don't want to fix it because we don't want anyone to understand how it works because..."
07:58 mircea_popescu "... then we'd be out of what we hope to be a very good job". welcome to the exact reason why we accepted "intellectual property" in the first place. and now here we sit, both with the problem unresolved and with the massive infrastructure of the not-working fix for it in place. hurr durr, i wonder what's the problem with western civilisation. it must be the womenz fucking niggaz!
08:00 punkman mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory. << they seem to be rejecting it, so maybe pastebin the raw transaction
08:00 mircea_popescu mno, they accepted one and rejected the rest (which is unsurprising for trb, seeing how the rest were chained on the one)
08:01 massiro could you issue "getrawtransaction e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773"
08:02 mircea_popescu not trivially.
08:02 punkman mircea_popescu: likely nobody has e6b8aa9ded in their mempool
08:02 mircea_popescu punkman we know for a fact everyone in trb DOES have it in their mempool, actually.
08:02 mircea_popescu this was established last night.
08:03 punkman all I saw was the tx getting rejected in debug.logz
08:03 mircea_popescu you prolly should re-read the discussion.
08:03 punkman maybe another silent netsplit?
08:04 mircea_popescu alf was quoting his node receiving getdatas for it.
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00048534 = 12.4004 BTC [-] {5}
08:05 punkman yes but burned as orphan http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363822
08:05 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:16:12; asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
08:13 mircea_popescu punkman mno. that is an unrelated issue of a 2nd tx. again, it's not surprising, seeing how trb handles chains.
08:13 mircea_popescu (which was, if you recall, deliberate)
08:14 punkman oic, I'll stop derping then
08:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363817 << this is the relevant part.
08:14 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:15:51; asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
08:15 mircea_popescu since it is questioned about the tx and sends the tx, it necessarily knows about the tx
08:15 mircea_popescu now, there MAY be something broken in there somewhere, but i'm not tooled to chase it.
08:15 shinohai Still having BB payour woes :/
08:15 punkman thought those were 3 continuous lines from the logz
08:15 shinohai *payout
08:15 mircea_popescu possibly they are, i dunno. even so, they discuss two different things.
08:18 punkman it does seem that if e6b8aa9ded was indeed in mempool, the error wouldn't say "not found e6b8aa9ded"
08:18 mircea_popescu it does.
08:18 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
08:18 gribble Current Blocks: 392484 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
08:18 mircea_popescu hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ?
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08:21 mircea_popescu punkman but it's not necessarily surprising seeing the orphanage burner patch.
08:22 mircea_popescu or at least that's what i think.
08:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363985 << that is actually a fucking great idea.
08:23 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 09:38:41; gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
08:23 mircea_popescu !rated gabriel_laddel
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08:25 ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?
08:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:26 ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "ignition!" is a pretty choice read.
08:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363995 << that's the sort of poky hipbone i dun like!
08:27 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 11:04:41; phf: "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg
08:28 mircea_popescu not going into the details of "if you don't know how to tie a woman, don't try and wing it for the derpy fishwrap that hired you because 'who'd ever know'. people know."
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08:46 jurov thestringpuller yes you have to recompile with -g or -ggdb. and not just bitcoin itself but all the libs
08:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048087 = 4.3278 BTC [-] {2}
09:00 thestringpuller jurov: do I change this in the make file?
09:00 thestringpuller grrrr. there should be a "debug" version of the compilation process script
09:00 jurov yes. and remove strip from stator.sh
09:02 mircea_popescu heh derpy okcupid. it has this tab that goes "98 visitors average per week". meanwhile they only keep track of the ~100 most recent visitors. the oldest is from 5:59 am, today. the most recent from 8:57 am, also today. so in about 3 hours i get 100, but "on average" during a week i get 98. it's been pretty much like this for at least two weeks now, give or take 5k a week average each day, which they've been reporting a
09:02 mircea_popescu s +- 100. i think it can be safely concluded that the number they report is simply a marketing gimmick, not connected to anything.
09:02 thestringpuller so in make file I ad -g?
09:02 thestringpuller add*
09:02 jurov yes, to CFLAGS
09:02 thestringpuller cool.
09:02 thestringpuller p. sure my compy is just too old to run something new that ended up in this thing
09:03 mircea_popescu that';s not really how it goes thestringpuller
09:04 jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/makefile.unix#0074 thestringpuller looks like it's already there, so just remove strip from stator.sh
09:04 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/makefile.unix ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAEhKb )
09:06 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i kno. i'm just speculating madly. i keep getting "Illegal Instruction" so it just feels weird.
09:07 mircea_popescu that's usually a sure sign of a bit of asm being unsuported.
09:07 mircea_popescu the codebase does include some choice asm bits if memory serves.
09:07 mircea_popescu alternatively : have you done the noob mistake of compiling for / on one platform, and trying to run on another ?
09:08 mircea_popescu (this extends all the way to all the libraries involved, obv.)
09:08 thestringpuller i'm compiling on the same machine I'm running it on. did the whole stator+rotor build here
09:08 thestringpuller so i figured it only assemble something. maybe gcc is borked?!?
09:09 thestringpuller (the one i'm using)
09:09 mircea_popescu normally i'd say no, but the stuff we've been seeing... dunno anymore.
09:10 thestringpuller how far does the rabbit hole go?
09:12 mircea_popescu my money is still on "surprise crossplatform".
09:13 thestringpuller well before I recompile the whole damn thing, lemme see what strace brings to the surface
09:16 thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/1KFEQ7B.txt << strace results leading up to the crash
09:17 thestringpuller "killed by SIGILL" which is the result from illegal instruction
09:23 shinohai thestringpuller: what platform you compiling on?
09:24 thestringpuller Linux machine-zero 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
09:24 thestringpuller Debian
09:25 shinohai heh.
09:25 shinohai Wonder why ppl are having debian issues lately, I must have tested this 500 times on various makes of debian
09:26 mircea_popescu tis weird.
09:26 shinohai I believe pete_dushenski 's issue was just trying to compile on a 32bit system tho, once he reimaged it worked fine.
09:26 thestringpuller this is amd 3400+
09:27 mircea_popescu shinohai yeah.
09:27 thestringpuller http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103023 << thst guy
09:30 shinohai weird. I have never seen anything like what you report in strace.
09:30 shinohai mebbe I can spin up a VM with that particular processor and see what it barfs out for me
09:35 thestringpuller worth a try
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10:17 mircea_popescu sooo... acthung panzers, asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6 : it is certain beyond any conceivable doubt the trb nodes are isolated - both the publicly advertised ones and at least one not publicly advertised, because lo! what used to be tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 has not only been successfully broadcast but it got malleated, and is now included in the chain as c29e162c79144ced3e827
10:17 mircea_popescu 9453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f with 13 confirms.
10:18 shinohai I saw that earlier, was researching https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f/
10:18 assbot BTC Transaction c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVWOPY )
10:18 shinohai bcinfo shows it "Hih S rejected" blockcypher reports it as double spend attempt
10:18 mircea_popescu that takes care of ~150 of the ~700 btc that bitbet's been delayed in paying. we will be getting through the rest during the remainder of today.
10:19 mircea_popescu shinohai it is a double-spend. all malleated txids are.
10:20 shinohai And so trb is at a crossroads :/
10:21 mircea_popescu i must say this has been a very instructive experience.
10:25 shinohai No one seems to be bitching and crying "scam" and "haxxored" on btctalk anymore so all is well.
10:25 mircea_popescu there's a thing about centralisation in that, i suspect.
10:26 mircea_popescu turns out centralisation helps when it's a case of "well bitbet goes to mp and mp runs a lot of other things and so... nope." people who only run one thing have it a lot worse.
10:28 shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13496128#msg13496128 <<< nevermind he said he hadn't gotten paid but I assured him rest of payments are coming later today.
10:28 assbot BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN6HF6 )
10:30 mircea_popescu ironically, it was broadcast from slovenia :)
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13187 @ 0.00048436 = 6.3873 BTC [+]
10:51 * asciilifeform wakes up with first full night of sleep in 2wks
10:51 asciilifeform axe-time, sword-time?
10:55 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1Y9D568
10:55 assbot dpaste: 1Y9D568 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN9cqN )
10:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:58 BingoBoingo ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Xenorcara, the OBSD X server man pages should be a start
10:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364086 << no. presently a dozen or so behind
10:59 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 13:18:42; mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ?
11:00 asciilifeform the others - less.
11:00 asciilifeform actually strike that
11:00 asciilifeform ~zoolag~ is a dozen behind
11:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guess who can't encrypt to you ;/
11:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. << Blockstream people nao complain too, because their off chain doo dad apparently won't work if any malleability on their transactions is possibru
11:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: make sure you have new pubkey plox
11:01 asciilifeform (new in the selfsigs sense ONLY!!)
11:01 asciilifeform get from assbot ?
11:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the node that was talking to them was 105-112 blocks behind main chain yesterday.
11:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo try as i might, i can't fucking recall who the fuck is "blockstream"
11:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: wuile, luke-jr, adam back, et al.
11:02 BingoBoingo Lightning network
11:02 mircea_popescu no, i mean in terms of doing things.
11:02 mircea_popescu like, for instance : bitbet pays 100s of bitcoins
11:02 asciilifeform sha512 == 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2
11:02 BingoBoingo Oh, their the new power rangers
11:02 mircea_popescu what does "blockstream" do ?
11:02 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc
11:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )
11:03 BingoBoingo It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where
11:03 mircea_popescu i get a374f57b40cdb645fd1f5eee5e304d6777a02c84d4f449cfefb1f1631c585933daf72c2aecd33383078be87a88701e2634b4542cef3d280ca32eb631432ae661 from that url.
11:03 asciilifeform wtf
11:03 asciilifeform post it plox!!
11:03 asciilifeform the thing that you get !
11:03 mircea_popescu o nm, my bad.
11:03 mircea_popescu 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 confirmed
11:04 * asciilifeform pictures nsa goon sitting in a submarine on ocean bottom typing on two terminals very very quickly
11:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/35A2REQ
11:04 assbot dpaste: 35A2REQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBsWs7 )
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently if you paste into sha512sum you get a different result than if you curl and pipe
11:05 mircea_popescu prolly control chars.
11:06 asciilifeform aha!
11:06 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where << yeah. none of this counts for anything. and i have nfi why they'd get any amount of vote in any discussion re bitcoin.
11:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: done.
11:07 mircea_popescu aite, it's in a term so i'll say.
11:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3Z6EYN3
11:08 assbot dpaste: 3Z6EYN3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtpul )
11:11 mircea_popescu you'd naively think no propagation can possibly take this long.
11:11 mircea_popescu and you;'d be wrong, bitcoin oft does.
11:24 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/406s4f/github_request_to_revert_the_removal_of << meanwhile, in the muppet circus
11:24 assbot GitHub request to REVERT the removal of CoinBase.com is met with overwhelming support (95%) and yet completely IGNORED. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBv7vM )
11:25 mircea_popescu oh you don't understand how voting works.
11:38 punkman http://bitcoinist.net/cryptsy-has-moved-out-of-their-building-unannounced-nowhere-to-be-found/
11:38 assbot Cryptsy Has Moved Out of Their Building Unannounced, Nowhere to be Found - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwDy2 )
11:39 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYORf2eWQAEUxly.png:large
11:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwJWn )
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11:57 thestringpuller ;;google muppet circus
11:57 gribble Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: <http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Circus>; Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: <http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Ringling_Bros._and_Barnum_%26_Bailey_Circus>; Kermit the Frog on "Electric Circus" - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VD-3kn7z44>
12:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18339 @ 0.00048112 = 8.8233 BTC [-] {2}
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12:32 asciilifeform in other nyooz, http://imgur.com/a/bgiM0
12:32 assbot jp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaT63E )
12:39 mircea_popescu "Imgur is over capacity!
12:39 mircea_popescu Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!"
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12:57 asciilifeform dafuq
12:57 asciilifeform the upload failed a couplea times too
12:57 asciilifeform so possible
12:58 asciilifeform link seems to load now
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13:19 punkman what's that asciilifeform
13:28 BingoBoingo http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/
13:28 assbot Does Mayonnaise Last as a Thermal Compound? - Hardware Secrets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaqoDS )
13:30 BingoBoingo "Back in 2011, we tested mayonnaise as a thermal interface between the CPU and the base of the cooler. Amazingly, it worked nicely, proving to be, at least in a short term, a better thermal compound than several well-known commercial products. But, at the time, we could not determine how long it would continue to work before a degradation in performance was noted."
13:30 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
13:32 BingoBoingo The answer was apparently not only does it not last, it oxidizes the interface surfaces.
13:33 punkman "surprising"
13:35 punkman but I good to know I guess? for that rare occasion when you need to macguyver a heatsink on something
13:35 BingoBoingo Or don't really care how well it works after 3 days, but just need it to work NOW!!!
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13:52 BingoBoingo Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz?
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14:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i was gonna say "oxidizing"
14:00 mircea_popescu and wjhat's the collection lulz ?
14:01 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well the part where getting big lottery payouts from illinois would involve litigation. Even in the games where the jackpot is pooled with other states. Winning ticket would mean potential for you to sue and force state governments to sue each other.
14:02 mircea_popescu hahahaha. wait, i get to sue to establish to whom i pay my winnings in tax ?
14:02 mircea_popescu fuck that.
14:02 BingoBoingo Nah, gotta sue to even establish the winnings are winnings.
14:03 mircea_popescu heh. this quesiton doesn't come up to establish taxes are owed, im sure.
14:04 asciilifeform usa, land of 'win a car - declare bankruptcy'
14:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: vegetable matter as lubrication (much less thermal, wtf, l0l) is atrociously braindamaged
14:06 BingoBoingo Werkz until doesn't
14:06 asciilifeform leaving the heatsink off also works until doesn't
14:06 mircea_popescu i doubt there's anything vegetal in us mayo.
14:06 mircea_popescu the wonder of socialist governments - making the cheapo ersatz something to aspire to.
14:07 asciilifeform aha, land of petro-margarine
14:07 asciilifeform landlord at my last office liked to leave 'christmas package' in every mailbox. it had 'food': items like 'cheese' that was good INDEFINITELY at room temperature, 'meat' where ditto, etc
14:07 mircea_popescu i'd bet that if properly purified of colorants etc, average lab can't distinguish any sauce from wd40
14:08 mircea_popescu and wd40 is not a great thermocouple agent, but also not as bad as air is.
14:08 mircea_popescu nothing is as bad as air, not really.
14:08 asciilifeform aha.
14:09 asciilifeform toothpaste would work just as well as anything
14:09 asciilifeform all you want is to 1) fill gaps 2) be reasonably inert
14:10 mircea_popescu toothpaste dries.
14:10 BingoBoingo Apparently chocolate is worse than not having interface material
14:11 asciilifeform well yes, was speaking of 'anythings' that tards might use
14:12 asciilifeform and the inevitable question, 'who gave these people a cpu?'
14:12 mircea_popescu obama.
14:12 mircea_popescu well, bush really, but anyway. same diff.
14:12 asciilifeform fdr.
14:12 BingoBoingo Clitler
14:13 shinohai http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_idaho_militia.html <<< the plot thickens!
14:13 assbot Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation' | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGct7O )
14:14 mircea_popescu ha-ha!
14:14 * asciilifeform looks at photos, does not find armour or artillery
14:15 mircea_popescu 1798 comments << gotta love that comment count
14:15 mircea_popescu 1802 by now
14:16 BingoBoingo In other news more hamplanets turning on Beetus Christ https://archive.is/DOpqe
14:16 assbot The WORST body positive role model ever. | Bigbuttbbw considers ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhGeG )
14:17 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/dWm7G << check out a page that never completes loading.
14:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhQ5H )
14:17 mircea_popescu idiots.
14:18 mircea_popescu tyme to nullroute "livefyre.com"
14:19 asciilifeform 'Crazy like a fox. They are Gubment spooks or assets. Most are collecting military disability and ole Mammon has got a nice half million dollar loan from the SBA. Nobody is dumb enough to challenge Mad Dog Sam. Use your brains for once! Dictatorship is here, with this nice little false flag rebellion to usher it in.'
14:20 asciilifeform (from those 1802 commentz)
14:20 mircea_popescu anyway, check it out alfie, usg lost policing power in oregon.
14:21 BingoBoingo Well Oregon was established as a refuge for white folk.
14:22 mircea_popescu also, sam destefano has been dead for longer than the internet's been a thing.
14:24 mircea_popescu "get off my lawn you damn dirty apes. i think there will be arguments for years about the wisdom of emboldening these white power, white privilege self serving outlaws or letting them disperse on their own to be picked up later for prosecution. i think the worst case scenario would be letting them off with a guarantee of no criminal charges they should face a range of charges from littering to treason."
14:24 mircea_popescu anyone taking bets on whether "queergendered", fat, on govt dole and in ny ?
14:27 BingoBoingo Anyone want to do a piece on the latest Oregon for qntra?
14:29 BingoBoingo Seems to merit "diverse" perspectives
14:29 mircea_popescu would be great if someone who lived there.
14:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i take it they ain't answering emails ?
14:29 BingoBoingo Not yet
14:29 BingoBoingo And if they were I'd still be suspicous
14:30 * shinohai wonders if they have a GPG key by now ...
14:30 mircea_popescu heh. seems improbable.
14:31 BingoBoingo It would be nice if someone in WoT near there would go over and do a GPG keysigning party
14:31 asciilifeform they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap
14:32 asciilifeform would say, real strength is in blood, sweat, guts !
14:32 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap << Could probably be sold on "keeping Obama out" angle
14:32 asciilifeform mno.
14:32 asciilifeform to the spartan, thinking is verboten
14:32 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap <<< you don;t know what the girl says UNTIL YOU ASK HER OUT.
14:32 asciilifeform let's ben_vulpes go ask.
14:33 mircea_popescu iirc i asked and he didn't wanna.
14:34 asciilifeform oblig >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto
14:34 assbot The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGeJfA )
14:35 asciilifeform 'the unfounded belief that whitey couldn't possibly have figured out your genius, Allah-inspired "idea". The ungrounded belief that all those other kids that stayed in school rather than quit at age 8 learned nothing at all for their trouble. The firm conviction that you can hide behind your finger.'
14:36 BingoBoingo My present dilemma is if I recieve any plaintext from Oregon liberators over the wire, there is an extreme possibility of it actually being a Preet
14:40 mircea_popescu can still print with that caution.
14:43 BingoBoingo USG agents on Oregon https://archive.is/LZWt1
14:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFkicw )
14:44 mircea_popescu so you just about ready to make warzone reporting a full time activity BingoBoingo ?
14:45 BingoBoingo Not yet. You know, this may be an occasion to use the Trilema job board.
14:45 mircea_popescu which still dun exist. besides, not all jobs are entry level.
14:46 mircea_popescu ;;ud BLM
14:46 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BLM | Bureau of Land Management ( people with short pants ). Yogi Bearr & Bo-bo's ranger watch ! BLM close public lands so Mr. ranger can keep city people from ...
14:46 shinohai Hey boo boo!
14:47 mircea_popescu "For the Republic, Stewart Rhodes Founder and President of Oath Keepers" <<< lol check out that guy
14:47 mircea_popescu but tbh, BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure his point is without merit.
14:47 mircea_popescu why not heal the representativity issue ?
14:47 BingoBoingo I though it existed as a category on trilema? But no, no entry level position here.
14:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> why not heal the representativity issue ? << needs ben_vulpes for that
14:48 mircea_popescu nono i mean, as far as the bundys, hammonds etc are concerned
14:48 mircea_popescu reading the piece you linked.
14:48 BingoBoingo I mean need ben_vulpes as a local to heal that issue
14:49 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes can be local representative
14:49 mircea_popescu eh you can't conscript people.
14:50 BingoBoingo Anyways at this point I have concerns about the Oregon liberation's ability so sustain itself in the way the Bundy ranch defense has.
14:50 mircea_popescu well that's the difference between a revolution and an invasion.
14:50 mircea_popescu the invasion needs a baggage train.
14:52 asciilifeform the 'revolution', when it takes over a solitary foodless shithole, also needs baggage train.
14:52 mircea_popescu not so.
14:52 mircea_popescu which is why the soviets were an invasion, not a revolution.
14:54 BingoBoingo ;;google Oregon Bearded Bastards
14:54 gribble Partners - Pacific Patriots Network: <http://www.pacificpatriotsnetwork.com/partners.php>; You Have To See Ammon Bundy's Ridiculous Press Conference In ...: <http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/04/you-have-to-see-ammon-bundys-ridiculous-press-conference-in-oregon-video/>; Stockists - The Bearded Bastard: <http://thebeardedbastard.com/apps/store-locator/>
14:54 asciilifeform incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers
14:55 asciilifeform if that weren't clear
14:55 BingoBoingo Seriously these people need to learn to internet
14:55 asciilifeform (this is not a secret)
14:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << Seems to be common knowledge in the actual patriot circles
14:55 asciilifeform no, this is explicitly printed on the box
14:56 asciilifeform it's supposed to be an org for usg soldiers who swear not to fire on the crowd
14:56 asciilifeform often accused of being a stoolie gambit for gestapo, yes
14:56 BingoBoingo Of course, but they got along with other groups until http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#fn2-4801
14:56 assbot Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFlYTw )
14:56 BingoBoingo Which confirmed stoolie gambit
14:57 BingoBoingo Also their agitation in Ferguson, etc
14:58 BingoBoingo ;;google Citizens for Constitutional Freedom
14:58 gribble Citizens for Constitutional Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Constitutional_Freedom>; Oregon siege: What the armed group wants and why - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-what-bundy-wants/>; Arrest the so-called 'Citizens for Constitutional Freedom' - Chicago ...: (1 more message)
14:58 asciilifeform think for a minute, about the wisdom of a pre-existing public list of commanders who 'promise not to fire on the crowd'
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16512 @ 0.00048964 = 8.0849 BTC [+] {2}
14:59 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << this is not unlike saying that incidentally, the guy that shot sadat was from the egyptian military.
14:59 mircea_popescu you don't say...
14:59 asciilifeform aha, printed right on the box
15:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo state this for my benefit. so how and wherefore what the guy said is stoolie gambit ?
15:03 BingoBoingo In the linked letter to Ammon Bundy, nothing yet. Oatherkeepers SOP seems to be sound reasonable until Eric Holder drone strike panic. 1. Build trust 2. Glass Cannon panic 3. ??? 4. Profit
15:04 mircea_popescu i'm not really up to date.
15:05 BingoBoingo Other role they take is as they did in Ferguson as USG sanctioned popular antagonist. They served as foil to both police and protestors .
15:07 mircea_popescu the problem with this theory is that it has very low predictive power.
15:08 BingoBoingo Well, for tsmr's history more effort was directed towards understanding USG social engineering with the power rangers than the various US patriot militias.
15:08 mircea_popescu not saying by any means that you're wrong or anything, i'm not from there.
15:09 BingoBoingo It's also an area where USG has spent more time directing social engineering
15:09 mircea_popescu old ex-military dudes hanging around with the beers talking about shit ?
15:10 mircea_popescu almost as good as the 10 year reunion of athlethic highschools.
15:10 BingoBoingo In the 1990's this was serious USG concern during first Clitler administration between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Michigan Militia
15:11 BingoBoingo Various Michigan Militia attracted substantial attention for existing.
15:11 mircea_popescu aha
15:11 BingoBoingo Basically for USG was about as Urgent as Bitcoin is in 2019
15:13 BingoBoingo Losing large portions of he Western states seems like it might have actually been a concern.
15:13 BingoBoingo If USSR made it to 1997, US may have collapsed in 1994
15:14 mircea_popescu for srs.
15:14 mircea_popescu the whole thing doesn't belong together anyway, it's like "the nation of africa" over there.
15:14 mircea_popescu let congo and ghana go their separate ways already.
15:14 BingoBoingo USG depserately needed 9-11 and 8 years of enthusiasm to tamp down enthusiam for militas built under CLinton
15:14 mircea_popescu i doubt it did much.
15:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00049065 = 5.1518 BTC [+] {2}
15:15 BingoBoingo It bought time for USG to build Oathkeepers
15:17 BingoBoingo So this is the Idaho group that is doing the perimeter thing http://www.iiipercentidaho.org/
15:17 assbot 3% of Idaho - When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoIAc )
15:18 BingoBoingo Some history http://www.potowmack.org/emerappb.html
15:18 assbot United States v. Timothy Emerson, Potowmack Institute, amicus curiae, Appendix B ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoWr6 )
15:20 mircea_popescu " If this were to happen, the state would assert itself as the principle of the contract making the people the agents."
15:20 mircea_popescu guy can't spell ;/
15:22 mircea_popescu "was the armed militia of the American colonies whose own efforts ultimately led to the establishment of the United States of America! While some say that the right to keep and bear arms is granted to Americans by the Constitution, just the opposite is true : the existence of the federal government is granted by the citizens bearing arms, under limits set forth in the constitution"
15:22 mircea_popescu there we go.
15:24 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> guy can't spell ;/ << transcriptionist couldn't spell.
15:25 mircea_popescu srsly, professional transcriptomonkey doesn't know what a principal is ?
15:25 mircea_popescu need less affirmative action in washington already.
15:25 BingoBoingo sysly
15:25 BingoBoingo Was delivered to United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism orally
15:26 BingoBoingo Because 1995
15:26 mircea_popescu anyway, not bad.
15:27 BingoBoingo Compare that to the current US "alt-right" with its "Oath Keepers", MLM-scammers like Glenn Beck, and media social engineering like Trump
15:27 mircea_popescu apparently the guy also came up with the theory japan bombed oklahoma because the us dumped sarin in tokyo ?
15:28 mircea_popescu and was somehow kicked out of michigan / moved to alaska ?
15:28 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b61
15:28 BingoBoingo Details
15:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is glenn beck still selling overpriced gold rounds to suckers ?
15:28 BingoBoingo Yeah
15:29 BingoBoingo And Rush Limbaugh is selling Identity theft protection and Cloud backup storage
15:29 BingoBoingo Rush Limbuagh also does a lot of Apple product placement
15:40 BingoBoingo How the American left frames the history of anti-hippies which actually stretches back to the late 60's https://archive.is/sKIoB
15:40 assbot A 'Patriot' Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFs1XW )
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15:57 BingoBoingo Serisouly though, today's alt-right and militia movement almost exclusively communicates on Facebook.
15:58 BingoBoingo Talk about a USG social engineering victory.
15:59 mircea_popescu aha. derps.
16:00 BingoBoingo Fucking BEst Korea!!!!1111!! Over here.
16:03 mircea_popescu "6/18/94 -- Common-law ideologue Brian Knoff is surreptitiously recorded discussing a planned marijuana-smuggling operation through Cuba that he hopes will help to fund other Patriot activists."
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16:30 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/30AC9GQ
16:30 assbot dpaste: 30AC9GQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PW9VSy )
16:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:30 mircea_popescu you know im righthere
16:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu !
16:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and lo it came to pass that one man had sons, which he met because some women he knew introduced them. and those sons presently came upon him and said father, give us warhorses so we may be warriros, for you are a warrior yourself! and the man said better go and capture horses, for i am a warrior and i will soon die, and who'll give you warhorses then ?
16:33 asciilifeform well then mircea_popescu can wait potentially indefinite time until we make a horse out of toothpicks.
16:33 mircea_popescu yeah, that's the dilemma, isn't it : either die of ulcer like naggum or try and supress the nausea of being still alive with these schmucks all around like graham.
16:34 asciilifeform i'm a good way towards the naggum already.
16:34 mircea_popescu i meant for me!
16:34 mircea_popescu i thought we were talking about me!
16:34 asciilifeform more than one fella can ulcer yaknow
16:35 asciilifeform and i think my horse needs a new fuel filter
16:35 asciilifeform or sumthing.
16:39 BingoBoingo Can't you plug it into the computer?
16:40 BingoBoingo Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse
16:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sadly this thread is a continuation of a pgpgram...
16:41 BingoBoingo I thought you meant horse as in your motor carriage needing a fuel filter
16:41 asciilifeform nah
16:41 asciilifeform another horse.
16:41 BingoBoingo Ah
16:43 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse <<< bwahahaha epic.
16:43 mircea_popescu you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate.
16:43 * asciilifeform expects to write own driver for horse.
16:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. << Well I'm still learning this whole "living as a dry person" business
16:45 BingoBoingo It's amazing this whole doing something about a problem instead of drinking about a problem business
16:45 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:45 BingoBoingo !up Cristina
16:47 mircea_popescu word.
16:47 BingoBoingo Also all the money I'm saving that can be put towards expenses like HODL, thermal grease, and batteries
16:53 mircea_popescu heh
16:53 mircea_popescu i thought old people stole all the batteries they used.
16:53 asciilifeform nah they make'em by sticking forks into young people
16:53 asciilifeform (as in potato battery)
16:55 mircea_popescu lol
16:56 * BingoBoingo wondering if a catalytic cap for a lead acid battery valves would have the same function on FeNi
16:58 BingoBoingo !up Cristina
17:01 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
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17:01 gribble 451.218283222
17:02 * asciilifeform discovered the other day that $rupturefarm has a very spiffy library. quite comparable to his own, at least on scientific subjects
17:05 asciilifeform unrelated, except to an ancient thread: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS22406.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/290B077
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17:05 assbot dpaste: 290B077: National Security Letters in Foreign Intelligence Investigations: A Glimpse at the Legal Background ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsyIiD )
17:05 asciilifeform mats ^ other usa jurist types
17:06 asciilifeform !up Cristina
17:07 asciilifeform Cristina: please fix your connection
17:11 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3597
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17:15 Cristina gi
17:15 Cristina !balance
17:15 Cristina que tal todo por a qui ??
17:15 Cristina hola
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17:16 Cristina sigo a qui
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17:18 asciilifeform Cristina: arregla su conexion por favor
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17:53 mircea_popescu o hey, is William Pierce actually the model for the old dude in american history x ?
17:54 BingoBoingo I'd have to look into that
17:57 mircea_popescu December '97 -- Nearly 100 New York City employees, including some corrections officials, are arrested for using common-law "untaxing" kits to evade taxes.
17:57 mircea_popescu ahahaha wut
17:57 asciilifeform sold right next to the common-medicine magical cure-all kit
17:57 mircea_popescu 3/17/98 -- Two former New York City police officers become the last of 14 NYPD officers to be convicted in a tax evasion scheme. The two sold tax evasion kits from Patriot groups to other officers for up to $2,000 each.
17:57 mircea_popescu dawg...
17:57 asciilifeform and the common-mathematics O(N) factorizer kit
18:01 mircea_popescu "10/13/99 -- Members of the Southern Indiana Regional Militia meet with FBI agents as part of a government effort to defuse tensions between Patriots and officialdom."
18:01 mircea_popescu "1/1/00 -- Despite Patriot expectations that the millennial date change will bring martial law or massive social collapse, nothing of the kind occurs."
18:02 mircea_popescu it is pretty millenaristic innit.
18:05 mircea_popescu "Being a race traitor, yet still tolerated by my pale fellows, I thought it was the least I could do." << how'd he get that ? fucked a black chick ? or what's racely treasonable activity ?
18:08 BingoBoingo He hangs out with black people from time to time
18:12 mircea_popescu "If I might compress a quarter-million years into a paragraph: For hundreds of thousands of years mankind developed along three paths, the African, the Neanderthal and the Disnovian. 74,000 years ago the Toba Super Eruption occurred, causing a six-year nuclear winter, which wiped out all but a couple thousand lucky Africans. I don’t know anything about the Disnovians. I do know that the Neanderthals across Europe and
18:12 mircea_popescu North Asia took the nuclear winter in stride, as they were cold-adapted. By 70,000-40,000 years ago one particular group of Africans produced some killer genius whose genes are in us all. The Neanderthals were wiped out soon thereafter at the peak of a nasty ice age that they were best suited to deal with. They were murdered."
18:12 mircea_popescu this is rank nonsense. for one thing, the cro-magnon did it, not some obscure "african".
18:18 BingoBoingo Can't expect retail expert to be history expert
18:18 BingoBoingo Enablers https://archive.is/VXyv3
18:18 assbot agritheia comments on What was your 'I don't get paid enough for this shit' moment? ... ( http://bit.ly/1kWcM0N )
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20:37 deedbot- [Trilema] The big day. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-big-day/
20:52 ben_vulpes trinque: is there a reason verify.mk uses `SHA512' instead of `sha512'?
20:52 * ben_vulpes reads, nm
21:04 trinque ben_vulpes: that's one of the knobs
21:06 * ben_vulpes twiddles
21:07 ben_vulpes i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious.
21:19 ben_vulpes trinque: build/Makefile:16 `tar xvf' -> `tar xvzf` << any reason i shouldn't do this?
21:19 ben_vulpes without, tar complains that the file uses gzip and that one must provide the `z' flag.
21:21 trinque ben_vulpes: a verbosity knob might be nice
21:21 ben_vulpes i'm talking about the gzip flag.
21:22 trinque ben_vulpes │ i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious. <<
21:22 trinque but yeah I'll add that to the tar cmd
21:22 ben_vulpes aha.
21:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00048471 = 1.7934 BTC [-] {2}
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00048471 = 2.2486 BTC [-]
21:26 ben_vulpes trinque: fired your makefiles on obsd yet?
21:30 trinque yeah, buildroot is very unhappy.
21:30 trinque understandably so, as I understand that thing to be linux specific
21:30 ben_vulpes that'd be it then.
21:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00048406 = 4.5018 BTC [-] {4}
21:31 trinque at least pulling the deps/shit works with make SHA512=sha512
21:32 trinque ben_vulpes: and in fact if the buildroot step were stuck inside Makefile.rotor, it'd be trivial to have a Makefile.openbsd aside it
21:33 trinque then it'd be make BUILDER=openbsd SHA512=sha512
21:34 trinque V setup works fine on openbsd
21:35 trinque yep, I'm moving buildroot, makes total sense
21:36 ben_vulpes cool.
21:36 ben_vulpes neat stuff, dood.
21:38 ben_vulpes gotcha, okay, starting to see how this all fits together.
21:39 trinque ben_vulpes │ neat stuff, dood. << ty
21:44 ben_vulpes ping me when you have new makefiles, i'm going to remap keys and engage in other weeding-type activities on this machine
21:44 trinque ben_vulpes: I'll probably not throw another onto the mailing list before fixing the boost build
21:45 trinque maybe tomorrow
21:45 ben_vulpes fix << meaning address the failed targets?
21:46 trinque yeah
21:46 trinque || true << abominable
21:48 ben_vulpes hail satan
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22:21 punkman http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels
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22:32 mircea_popescu ahaha what the fuck "or true"
22:32 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
22:33 mircea_popescu but yeh, nice script you got there trinque
22:33 saifedean good evening, everyone!
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40799 @ 0.00048201 = 19.6655 BTC [-] {6}
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22:35 mircea_popescu how goes lebanon ?
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00047485 = 1.3771 BTC [-]
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22:38 saifedean lebanon is as it always is, mundanely on the precipice of exploding
22:38 saifedean people hating each other and religious wars escalating everywhere... but... you know... the party must go on
22:39 saifedean unfortunately i'm not there for the next few months, moved to Windsor, Ontario, of all fucking places, the exact opposite of Lebanon if ever there was one
22:39 mircea_popescu lol
22:40 mircea_popescu who the fuck lives in ontario for the winter and in damascus for the civil war.
22:41 saifedean haha, well-put
22:42 saifedean well, the wife is due to deliver our first child in the next month or so, and we decided to come give birth here where my in-laws are, ensuring the girl gets the Canadian passport
22:43 saifedean it's not the most exciting place in the world, but it's across the river from detroit, which stands as a constant reminded that shit could be worse
22:43 mircea_popescu i can see it.
22:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00047254 = 10.3723 BTC [-] {6}
22:45 saifedean this place is so deadly boring it's unreal, but at least it's not a terribly cold winter, and I'm getting plenty of reading done... Also, it's not like you need much excitement to add to your life when you're expecting
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00047125 = 3.1809 BTC [-] {3}
22:46 mircea_popescu well... the woman's expecting. you're just reading.
22:47 saifedean well, not quite, there's a surprisingly large amount of stuff to do, learn, and decide if you choose not to hand over the entire process to the medical bezzle
22:47 mircea_popescu o, that.
22:49 saifedean this has been an enormously edifying experience... most important lesson learned is that handing over a pregnant woman to a hospital and obgyn is fucking nuts
22:49 saifedean the bezzle has completely destroyed people's conception of what birth is
22:50 saifedean it's treated like an emergency like a car crash, when it's a natural process like sex
22:50 mircea_popescu and the internet has ruined people's idea of what makes good storytelling. don't summarize, be specific.
22:50 saifedean trying to give birth in hospital makes as much sense as trying to have sex there
22:51 mircea_popescu you never banged in a hosptial ?
22:51 mircea_popescu dead people make me horny.
22:52 saifedean essentially: if a woman is left on her own in a comfortable setting with the father, her body will do all the work and pop the baby out painlessly and even pleasurably, the baby comes out healthy and looks for the tit to feed, it stays connected to the umbilical chord and placenta for a few days, the placenta empties all the nutrients and blood into the baby, and the baby grows healthy
22:53 saifedean all the complications of birth come precisely from the medical bezzle trying to barge in on this natural process to make a buck, basically
22:53 mircea_popescu look into "health" circumcision sometime.
22:54 mircea_popescu but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp.
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22:54 saifedean they'll whisk her in an ambulance and freak the shit out of her, causing her vagina to contract just when it needs to expand. this then necessitates painful pushing, which usually doesn't work, necessitating cutting up and stitching, the baby comes out bloody and bruised and the woman can't breastfeed for hours, which will then destroy the baby's ability to latch properly
22:55 saifedean and most brutally, the fucking doctor wanting to go home quickly means he'll cut the umbilical chord immediately, suffocating the child and depriving him of about a third of his blood
22:56 saifedean this for me is the difference between the barbarian and civilized humans today: the civilized have the time and choice to wait on the placenta to empty into the baby. The barbarians are told by the doctor the placenta should be cut immediately
22:56 mircea_popescu who the fuck goes to the maternity ward in an ambulance ?!
22:56 saifedean people with insurance, that's who
22:57 mircea_popescu no way. srsly ?!
22:57 saifedean "you don't wanna take chances with your baby's health"
22:57 mircea_popescu there can't be enough fucking ambulances.
22:57 saifedean the stuff you learn will blow your mind
22:59 saifedean also, the post-birth interventions they do in the medical bezzle are astonishing... within an hour or so, the baby wil have had a vaccine against Hepatitis B, which I guess makes sense if you intend to pimp the child out in the first week. they'll give them an eye drop to protect against the possibility of the mom having chlamydia, regardless of whether she has it or not, thus destroying the child's vision for a few days..
22:59 saifedean and then, the coup de grace, they give him a little sugar in the first hour to drug him and stop him crying from being separated from his mom while they do all the bezzle they wanna do
23:00 mircea_popescu o yeah, the whole first day vaccination business is both novel and outrageous.
23:00 saifedean all of which is not just unnecessary, but actively harmful. the child needs absolutely nothing in their first hours except their mom's milk. They need nothing for the first 6 months except her milk and sunshine
23:00 mircea_popescu not all kids actually want to eat immediately.
23:01 saifedean but the interventionist bezzle logic we have all come to know and love from economics is applied with vigor at birth, producing mentally, physically and emotionally stunted idiots ready for the modern world's demands
23:02 saifedean breastfeeding in the first hour is essential for the child and for the mom's breasts, it's part of the birth process
23:02 mircea_popescu not all women actually can breastfeed altogether.
23:02 saifedean the child should learn to latch onto the tit before anything else. In the fucking bezzle they give them the pacifier before the tit, and then they'll never latch properly... which happily enough creates endless business for Gerber and other peddlers of poison
23:02 asciilifeform !up saifedean
23:03 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot saifedean
23:03 assbot saifedean is not registered in WoT.
23:03 saifedean if she can get pregnant, she can breastfeed, it's all part of the same package
23:03 mircea_popescu heh if only. if you can get it up, you can make her come, too ?
23:03 saifedean the problems of breastfeeding all come from the mom not being given the child to breastfeed immediately
23:04 saifedean inaccurate analogy, since she's another human. but if her body can carry a baby for 9 months, and if she eats well and takes care of herself, she will get milk
23:05 saifedean she could fuck it all up of course, but it takes deliberate human fuckery to stop her breastfeeding
23:05 mircea_popescu it's a body, anything in it can not work.
23:05 saifedean and of course, a big, big part of this is diet, what the mom eats before, during, and after pregnancy
23:06 mircea_popescu or whether she has a tyroid condition. or cystic ovaries. or or or.
23:06 saifedean if you can get your dick up, you can fuck with it. Doesn't mean you will... you could still fuck it up.
23:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 556 @ 0.0042 = 2.3352 BTC [+]
23:07 saifedean she's got to actively fuck it up for her to not breastfeed... look at all real world examples, and you find a woman who ate shit, or who had a caesarian and didn't bother try breastfeeding for a few days, or as is usually the case, a woman who just can't be bothered and came up wiht a story
23:07 mircea_popescu looky, i appreciate the youthful activist and half-doctor approach, but srsly, talk to an actual clinician. it doesn't always work. it sucks that it doesn't, it's maybe overreported, it's often just fancies in the woman's head, but not always. sometimes it dun work.
23:07 saifedean of course the medical bezzle is always happy to oblige with "conditions"
23:08 saifedean appreciate the faith in your clinician, but don't listen to those guys if you're having a child of your own, they're not in it for your benefit, they have med school loans to pay
23:09 saifedean and they can't pay them if they deviate from the script...
23:09 trinque I'll give it a coupla drops of truth in a bucket of rhetoric
23:09 saifedean do you also talk to an economist phd to get your perspective on Bitcoin?
23:09 mircea_popescu heh, i knew doctors with half century's experience before money was even fucking invented, you kidding me ?
23:10 saifedean I'd recommend you folks check out this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Nourishing-Traditions-Book-Baby-Child/dp/0982338317
23:10 assbot The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care: Sally Fallon Morell, Thomas S. Cowan: 9780982338315: Books - Amazon.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHxoWD )
23:10 mircea_popescu and yes i talk to economists. as it happens the brightest mind in banking alive today is from my old country.
23:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 298 @ 0.00645 = 1.9221 BTC [+]
23:11 mircea_popescu isnt that the chick at war with the fda over the whole raw milk thing ?
23:11 saifedean you'll find it in pdf online if you look; reading it is a far better use of your time than arguing!
23:11 saifedean among many other wars, yes!
23:11 mircea_popescu here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania from a fucking machine.
23:12 saifedean are you familiar with Weston Price?
23:12 mircea_popescu ~euro a liter.
23:12 mircea_popescu not particularly.
23:12 saifedean That muthafucka knew his shit
23:12 mircea_popescu anyway, all these nitwits that aren't from cattle country don't know wtf milk is, even.
23:12 mircea_popescu they do a lot of diary in lebanon don't they ?
23:12 saifedean it's a travesty that he's been completely forgotten... he's basically the Mises of nutrition
23:12 saifedean yeah they do
23:12 asciilifeform phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s
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23:12 mircea_popescu yeah. "o my god raw milk". herp.
23:13 saifedean Weston Price traveled the world for decades observing different cultures and their foods and examining the link with health and degeneration... pretty startling stuff
23:14 saifedean raw milk is not that interesting an issue, ignore it
23:14 saifedean but do read Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration
23:14 saifedean the internet has that somewhere, too
23:15 mircea_popescu it's pretty funny. "science!!1"
23:16 saifedean weren't you the one who wrote a post about how dumb it is to be hostile to things you do not know about?
23:17 mircea_popescu seems likely. which one ?
23:17 asciilifeform there is a surprisingly rich set of literature in... alchemy
23:18 saifedean can't remember the post, but it stuck with me and has saved me plenty of time by always ignoring arguments from people hostile to things they don't know... mainly bitcoin and health, funnily enough
23:18 mircea_popescu anyway, i was discussing whether raw milk is interesting or not. it's interesting, to me, because lol.
23:19 saifedean yes asciilifeform, there is, by the sort of people who invented basically all the science and knowledge that got us out of swimming in our own shit in the jungle!
23:19 mircea_popescu wait...
23:19 saifedean i've never had raw milk, don't know a source i can trust in lebanon, and it's illegal to buy it here in Ontario!
23:19 mircea_popescu what, seriously ?!
23:19 mircea_popescu you ever milked a cow ?
23:20 saifedean Isaac Newton was an alchemist primarily, physics and chemistry were the languages he used to speak to the plebs
23:20 saifedean nope, never milked a cow...
23:20 mircea_popescu and you call yourself a lebanonesian ?!
23:20 mircea_popescu anyway. i milked a cow. prolly can still do it.
23:20 asciilifeform saifedean: aha. but for some reason i have yet to meet a practicing physicist who read newton's alchemical works.
23:20 saifedean i ain't even lebanonesian, bro. I'm actually palestinian
23:21 mircea_popescu ah right that explains it!
23:21 * asciilifeform worked for a palestinian fella for many years
23:22 saifedean it's sad that your physicist friends havent read alchemists, but i'm gonna go ahead and guess that's sad for them, not for the alchemists... here's a list of actual aclhemists, imagine where you'd be without their contributions to your life!
23:22 saifedean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alchemists
23:22 assbot List of alchemists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHy6TE )
23:22 mircea_popescu honestly, to me all this sorta stuff, much like the "eu legislation" on "contaminated animal productS" ie, edible cheese, is a case of derpy dudes thinking chickens come out of the supermarket.
23:22 asciilifeform saifedean: 'civilization begins with distillation' (tm) (r) (falkner) aha
23:23 asciilifeform but where the hell is my philosopher's stone.
23:23 mircea_popescu and i certainly aren't about to read some anglo derps on how and what to eat.
23:23 mircea_popescu for one thing, i still have latin.
23:23 saifedean ah, if only they sold that on amazon ascii
23:23 mircea_popescu for another... what the fuck, i didn't grow up in a hole.
23:24 mircea_popescu to quote disraeli, "who are you people again ?"
23:24 saifedean lol
23:25 saifedean the problem with this sort of debate is that i've lived the life of the cake-munching sugar-addled modern nutrition believing fatty, and i've tried the opposite... which makes this conversation difficult
23:27 saifedean latin, after all, came from a sedentary agricultural society of grain-addicted fatties... you wanna look at pre-agricultural societies to see how to really be well-fed
23:27 saifedean unfortunately those people don't write, but fortunately, some people who do write have studied them... like weston price
23:27 mircea_popescu right.
23:27 saifedean who, in his defense, was not even american... he was my ontario homeboy
23:28 mircea_popescu you've tried the opposite but never suckled off a cow.
23:28 mircea_popescu what makes the discussion difficult is the significant chasm between what'd you want and what actrually is there.
23:28 saifedean no, but i've had raw liver, which is much better :)
23:28 mircea_popescu "i never had x but had y which is much better" is what you said to me ? how the fuck'd you know!
23:30 saifedean look, i'd love to try good raw milk, and if you can hook a brother up, let me know... but, you know, it ain't the be all end all of human knowledge
23:30 punkman /me is considering kokorec leftovers for breakfast
23:30 mircea_popescu alright... ever had woman milk ?
23:30 saifedean yes, my mother's
23:30 mircea_popescu not your mother's. as an adult!
23:30 saifedean did the job, im alive and healthy
23:31 saifedean but no, not as an adult
23:31 mircea_popescu sigh
23:31 mircea_popescu dude... cows, ok, i can see, they don't grow everywhere.
23:31 mircea_popescu but women are literally ubiquitous.
23:31 mircea_popescu less reading more suckling ok ?
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23:32 saifedean punkman is a man after my heart... kokorec is fucking good, whereabouts are you? turkey?
23:32 mircea_popescu practically.
23:32 mircea_popescu morea eyalet
23:33 punkman saifedean: greece
23:33 saifedean what's your deal with milk mircea?
23:33 punkman grandma always boiled the raw milk, I'm sticking with that
23:33 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
23:34 mircea_popescu wow check it out, it was its own province, girit
23:35 mircea_popescu saifedean my deal ? whole thing started from it neh
23:36 saifedean milk's essential for kids, for at least a year, but i'm honestly not convinced grown-ups should even be drinking it, weston price be damned
23:36 punkman I like Candia better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Candia
23:36 assbot Kingdom of Candia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl99K4 )
23:36 saifedean animal fats and meat is all a man needs
23:38 mircea_popescu eh how'd you know. at least that dude has the excuse of a lot of bad dinners all over.
23:38 saifedean the last two months i've basically eaten nothing but fatty meat, never been healthier
23:39 mircea_popescu you should be an alchemist and write great books on theoretical physics.
23:40 mircea_popescu for my part, for the past two weeks i've only been slapping butts with my left hand and i've never been taller.
23:40 saifedean gotta finish popping babies and feeding them properly first, then focus on econ, then alchemy... theoretical physics does not interest me much
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23:41 asciilifeform saifedean would get on well with funkenstein, i think.
23:41 mircea_popescu my money says they'd find a point of principle to disagree on and not be on speaking terms.
23:41 asciilifeform and hey also orlov.
23:42 saifedean who's funkenstein and does he paleo?
23:42 danielpbarron mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm
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23:42 mircea_popescu danielpbarron technically this was on a farm. the way they sorted it out was that the farm rented 20 sqft from the supermarket, plopped a machine down there. serviced it daily, there's a resident tech that does analytics.
23:43 danielpbarron ah, I can go buy it raw from the store shelf
23:43 mircea_popescu it doesn't keep unrefrigerated, does it.
23:44 danielpbarron i haven't tried to keep it out of the fridge, but it seems to age more gracefully in general
23:44 mircea_popescu certainly can make your own curds.
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23:44 saifedean daniel, i didn't know that, might pop across the border next time I'm in NYC to see what it's like
23:44 danielpbarron instead of turning rancid it just turns sour
23:45 danielpbarron saifedean, not many stores sell it; not even whole foods last i checked
23:45 mircea_popescu http://www.joiana.ro/ro/reteaua-de-dozatoare-automate-de-lapte-timisoara << check it out, that;s actually the thing.\
23:45 assbot Joiana | JOIANA Timișoara ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHzEgz )
23:47 saifedean criminals, all these people, they'd go to jail in the good ole US of A
23:47 punkman I just realized if you try to vocalize TMSR you end up with something close to "timisoara"
23:47 asciilifeform punkman: l0l just now realized ?
23:47 mircea_popescu punkman and another insider joke falls slain by your attentive read!
23:48 punkman asciilifeform: ikr looks obvious now
23:48 asciilifeform btw timisoara absolutely ruled, imho
23:49 mircea_popescu you just liked the gypsy twists.
23:49 mircea_popescu fucking village, doesn't even have a tiny and cramped bdsm club
23:50 asciilifeform it reminded me of home planet.
23:50 asciilifeform climate was exactly right. my eternal allergy stopped, even.
23:50 mircea_popescu well it was the better part of the year.
23:54 saifedean ladies and gentlement i present you my first witness and exhibit A... the great paleo convert Bitstein of Texas, prayers and blessings be upon him
23:56 bitstein mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know << http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/vilhjalmur-stefansson/the-fat-of-the-land-not-by-bread-alone/ http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/miki-ben-dor-ahs13-slides
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23:56 mircea_popescu o.O
23:57 saifedean yeah it really isn't just me who's into all this weirdness :D
23:58 asciilifeform ;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://secure.flickr.com/photos/obra/sets/72157635353286814
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