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01:54 BingoBoingo https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-November/011093.html
01:54 assbot cryptome-nov2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhhqBB )
01:54 mircea_popescu !up liquidass_etf
02:05 BingoBoingo !up frankenmint
02:05 frankenmint sweet, is this a temp thing that needs to be set via gpg confirm each time I want voice assigned automatically?
02:06 frankenmint I don't come here often except to lurk
02:06 BingoBoingo temp
02:06 frankenmint ok right, thanks none the less, how is your evening/morning going?
02:06 BingoBoingo could be worse
02:07 BingoBoingo tired, ill, sober
02:08 frankenmint sounds rough but edgy, sorry I'm the total opposite right now, wish you were the same
02:08 frankenmint awake well and somewhat inebrieated
02:10 mircea_popescu whatcha got, the cock-tail flu BingoBoingo ?
02:10 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Garden variety cold it appears, but started in the lungs.
02:10 mircea_popescu a, not so good.
02:11 BingoBoingo Eh, seems to have peaked.
02:12 BingoBoingo Wake up friday, cough hurts more than usual. By bed time Friday upper respiratory chaos.
02:13 BingoBoingo !up Sexygirl
02:14 mircea_popescu what, on the internet ? scam.
02:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo just don't give yourself pneumonia before you get moar kids in the qntra mines!
02:16 BingoBoingo At least I'm not coughing up blood again. That stopped pretty soon after I got on the water wagon.
02:19 frankenmint sorry to hear that going on w/ you BingoBoingo get better soon
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03:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.0005048 = 22.2869 BTC [+]
03:04 mircea_popescu and guess where the derp with drm in java figured he'd float up ? yeah, that's right. https://twitter.com/robertjhansen/status/542349213963538433
03:08 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/229BH6T << technologee. by idiots, for idiots. sweet jebus already.
03:08 assbot dpaste: 229BH6T ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irg1Db )
03:08 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/27C35YT.txt
03:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irg5mt )
03:08 deedbot- accepted: 1
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03:58 adlai ;;isup blockchain.info
03:58 gribble blockchain.info is down
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06:52 jurov coinbr now shows mkt data.. at least till mpex.ws goes down
06:53 jurov also, i've hacked mempool limit on top of -test2 without any defrag and the node is now live, will see how it ends up
06:55 * adlai wonders why coinbr doesn't use mpex.coinbr!
06:56 jurov mpex.coinbr runs on top of the official proxies, too
06:57 jurov so not a big advantage
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07:21 shinohai jurov: please let us know for sure, I will be glad to do additional testing, etc with your product >.>
07:21 jurov what do you mean?
07:22 shinohai How the mempool hack turns out, if it works well I'd like to try it.
07:25 jurov sure. but i'm also sure if it catches on, will make certain purists VERY angry :)
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07:46 jurov ANN: Sorry, CoinBr does not accept new/cancel orders due to MPEx issues. Normal service will resume after this is fixed.
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08:04 mircea_popescu jurov which ones don't you see ?
08:06 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/ujuD8 https://archive.is/Nn7UY
08:06 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TePxdK )
08:06 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TePyOO )
08:06 mircea_popescu the other two should be coming back today.
08:21 jurov mircea_popescu: they accept orders and cancellation, but don't execute them
08:22 mircea_popescu ah yes.
08:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00050211 = 2.6612 BTC [-]
08:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9698 @ 0.00050089 = 4.8576 BTC [-]
08:26 mircea_popescu always one more safety
08:32 mircea_popescu in other news, disgraced gavin of "global warming" movement moves on to alt-kook : https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/another-danger-of-climate-change-giant-flying-boulders/2015/11/27/81bdf026-9384-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html
08:32 assbot Another danger of climate change: Giant flying boulders? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1lSbBAx )
08:34 mircea_popescu "the man who helped spawn the whole debate" and all teh other avatars of usg wooden tongue in full display.
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09:21 mircea_popescu heck, i'm going to write it up.
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09:46 adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/181NDV6.txt
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09:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBmUv3 )
09:46 deedbot- accepted: 1
09:51 jurov all seems Ok, coinbr enabled
09:51 adlai \o/
10:01 adlai ;;seen wyrdmantis
10:01 gribble wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> sure! thanks
10:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3RBV6HG
10:02 assbot dpaste: 3RBV6HG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oo3HtH )
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10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00050647 = 7.0896 BTC [+] {5}
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10:40 pete_dushenski "Michael Norton, a psychologist at the Harvard Business School, has found that on average, whites now view discrimination against members of their own race as a larger problem than discrimination against blacks."
10:40 pete_dushenski ""What Trump is tapping into is the mindset of a zero-sum game," Norton said, which he called an "intuitive" way of looking at the economy and society."
10:40 pete_dushenski ""It's hard to imagine that if we're eating a pizza, that adding more people would somehow give us more pizza. It takes a much-longer-term perspective," Norton said."
10:42 pete_dushenski haha mkay. low-class whiteys don't have enough 'long-term perspective' and fear for their own survival in the face of a DIMINISHING trough from which MORE cattle are to eat. and this is what passes for 'harvard research' ?
10:42 pete_dushenski https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/i-asked-psychologists-to-analyze-trump-supporters-this-is-what-i-learned/
10:42 assbot I asked psychologists to analyze Trump supporters. This is what I learned. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBsJsf )
10:44 pete_dushenski "New York is by no means Mafia-free. But the mob isn’t what it once was, enfeebled by decades of police crackdowns, media attention and old age. The Mafia has been relegated largely to the realm of entertainment, just as Manhattan’s Italian culture has become a tourist attraction."
10:45 pete_dushenski heh. even the mafiosos in american 'go metatard' at some point.
10:45 mircea_popescu incidentally, re the eventual republican reimplementation of pgp : other than the -a armored mode, i want it to also have a -w armored mode. in this mode, it should load a list of lines from a file, modulo the message by the line count of that file, replace every numeric unit with the respective line,
10:45 pete_dushenski just how toxic is that place ?
10:45 mircea_popescu meh this is getting too complicated. ima trilema it.
10:45 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski except it doesn't grow the god damned pizza.
10:45 mircea_popescu adding more people not only reduces the available slices through them eating it,
10:45 mircea_popescu IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE QUALITY OF THE PIZZA ITSELF.
10:46 pete_dushenski this, trumpists/trumpets deeply grok.
10:46 mircea_popescu the options are either hand-made pizza out of wheat flour with actual anchovies, olives and proper cheese, split in 8
10:46 mircea_popescu or else a slab of wonderbread dipped in palm oil with petrocheese and some fenyl-flavouring split in 32
10:47 mircea_popescu yes, arguably the individual wonderbread slice is slightly larger in some measurement than the pizza slice.
10:47 pete_dushenski in calories !
10:47 mircea_popescu the only problem with this "abundance perspective" being thgat the measure often is something as retarded as "how large the grease spot on the paper is"
10:47 mircea_popescu shit, i never even knew pizza went in paper in the first place.
10:48 pete_dushenski "you need xxxxx calories per day to be happy, so that's what yer gettin' "
10:48 mircea_popescu so said doctor ratched.
10:49 pete_dushenski "and here's a top-up on your Thalidomide 'scrip, we've no evidence of it being bad!"
10:52 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332899 << doesn't fork need hash power (and big users a la mpex!) to back it ? so from whence (other than 21 and bitfoory, which are currently ~25% of network) might usg drum up the necessary support ?
10:52 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 16:33:08; mircea_popescu: anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.
10:53 mircea_popescu it's complicated.
10:53 adlai nothing stops anybody from mining with hardware they get by any means they deem fit
10:54 pete_dushenski myeah. lol let's just leave it at 'over pete's paygrade' for now.
10:57 pete_dushenski "A customer pulled out a gun and shot and killed an employee at a Waffle House restaurant in Mississippi on Friday after she asked him not to smoke, police said." << "for piiiiiiigleeeeet"
10:58 pete_dushenski ""He pulled out a handgun and shot her in the head," Dobbs said."
10:58 adlai iirc there have already been hashpower heists, not to mention mysterious "lost in tragic mining" incidents
11:02 pete_dushenski ;;later tell williamdunne dude ! purdue stole your idea !! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/27/investors-buying-shares-in-college-students-is-this-the-wave-of-the-future-purdue-university-thinks-so/
11:02 assbot Investors buying shares in college students: Is this the wave of the future? Purdue University thinks so. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBvvha )
11:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:10 pete_dushenski i guess that purdue thing also ties into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2015#1331962 eh
11:10 assbot Logged on 26-11-2015 16:33:28; mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
11:17 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski in fairness i saw this for years in worthless dumbass "artists"
11:17 mircea_popescu trying to sell "shares" in their "future". as if.
11:18 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/ << re the previous aborted thread.
11:18 assbot The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PUEQz6 )
11:23 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: for the man who fancies himself an art investor but doesn't have $millions to buy rodin, rembrandt, etc., i could sorta see the temptation
11:23 pete_dushenski "what if this derpy artsy chick is the next big thing"
11:23 mircea_popescu as long as she sucks the cock and you buy her food, who the fuck cares what you call it.
11:23 pete_dushenski "i'll kick myself if i don't buy the collected works of this straight-a's liberal arts student"
11:24 mircea_popescu "monopoly is real life" if you will, who cares.
11:24 pete_dushenski and if 'artist' is boy, not girl, he must find female patron. aha.
11:25 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/f6fb0182c1c97705d919e96620c0b328/tumblr_mkdgmbT4Yz1rl2t88o1_500.png
11:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBycPG )
11:33 deedbot- [Trilema] The PGP -w mode - http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
11:34 mircea_popescu also, thinking about it, it occurs to me that the model we've been using to think about gossipd is fundamentally broken.
11:34 * pete_dushenski speculates that williamdunne is now wearing this very wife-beater
11:34 pete_dushenski ;;seen pierre_rochard
11:34 gribble pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> In any case, a textbook illustration of http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
11:35 mircea_popescu there is absolutely no reason for gossipd to work on a push model of data transfer.
11:35 mircea_popescu gossipd must work on a pull model. exactly like old ml.
11:35 adlai mircea_popescu: i tried giving archive.is my parola, stupid monster doesn't eat cookies... any ideas?
11:35 mircea_popescu whenever one in my wot wants to see what i'm up to he should connect to trilema, read "plain text" of the pgp -w ilk above, that's it.
11:36 mircea_popescu what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
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11:36 mircea_popescu pull-only gossipd ftw.
11:36 mircea_popescu adlai huh ?
11:36 * adlai wanted to donate a couple articles to the archive
11:36 adlai since it runs out of the five weekly quite quick
11:37 mircea_popescu heh.
11:37 mircea_popescu suppose you donate things you actually own.
11:37 trinque !b 9
11:37 assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TAE9GX.txt )
11:39 adlai 0opsjTbdVRLolFS
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11:55 mircea_popescu in other news, diesel pistons as polluting as ever. http://49.media.tumblr.com/a0d7249e48b455d6af09323b2d9eeb98/tumblr_muknkrTvSC1rh0ujqo1_500.gif
11:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNKNxT )
11:55 mircea_popescu (that's CarbonMan, before you ask. his superpower is well... super power.)
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12:17 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:23 ascii_field danke mircea_popescu
12:23 ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/#comment-115944
12:23 assbot The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNM2gF )
12:23 mircea_popescu i answered even
12:23 * ascii_field reads
12:23 ascii_field ahahaha
12:24 ascii_field imho stego by its very nature ought to be a personal and various thing
12:24 ascii_field rather than standardized in any sense
12:24 mircea_popescu we gonna talk here or there
12:24 ascii_field hm
12:24 mircea_popescu i suppose here wins. anyway : the proposed scheme has exactly the advantage of alphabet
12:25 mircea_popescu which is to say : it provides a clean, standard interface that preserves personal and various thing entirely.
12:25 mircea_popescu in so doing it actually promotes both personal-ness and variety.
12:25 ascii_field my ancient version of this used a modulated shannonizer
12:26 mircea_popescu one could in principle do exactly what FM does to radio waves.
12:26 ascii_field where the input skews the probabilities
12:26 ascii_field aha heterodyne
12:26 mircea_popescu have an underlying markov process as carrier wave
12:26 ascii_field that was how i did it
12:26 ascii_field pretty obvious, no ?
12:26 mircea_popescu apparently.
12:26 ascii_field good student project btw
12:30 jurov i'd do it like - with every party agree on a different corpus to be fed to shannonizer
12:31 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/#comment-115948
12:31 assbot The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNMhYU )
12:31 mircea_popescu so far we're mostly finding novel ways to use up entropy we don't really have.
12:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo Posted on November 29, 2015 by Bingo Boingo ?
12:32 BingoBoingo shit
12:32 * ascii_field feels suitably kicked in arse by mircea_popescu re: entropy
12:32 mircea_popescu also the first <a is unclosed.
12:32 mircea_popescu close it after pravda plox
12:32 ascii_field speaking of, did ben_vulpes ever plug his in ?
12:32 mircea_popescu :p
12:32 ascii_field or mircea_popescu for that matter
12:32 mircea_popescu yes.
12:32 mircea_popescu it's very good.
12:33 ascii_field neato
12:33 BingoBoingo fxd
12:33 ascii_field iirc i even left one of the chaps with a suitable plug
12:33 ascii_field (i think it was mircea_popescu )
12:33 mircea_popescu they got parrots in argentina you know
12:33 ascii_field btw i had a fella ask me about rng at a job interview thing
12:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo now there's no paragraphs ?!
12:34 ascii_field he asked 'i get 7.9999999 bts/byte from urandom, why not from yours' and we had a chat about the idiocy of whitening
12:34 mircea_popescu he could get 8.5 bts/byte from urandom for the same money.
12:34 ascii_field aha
12:35 ascii_field i told him 'try feeding nulls through aes with null iv and pipe into ent'
12:35 ascii_field b3st 3ntr0p1
12:35 ascii_field of same kind, aha.
12:35 BingoBoingo fxd, I think
12:40 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333508 << this borders on the genius of the proverbial 'polish space program' - 'we will fly to the sun, not the moon! -- but sun is hot! -- we will fly at night'
12:40 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 16:36:02; mircea_popescu: what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
12:40 ascii_field ~somebody~ has to permit inbound. and he's the ddos target.
12:40 ascii_field ~connections~ are idiocy and ought to be dispensed with entirely.
12:40 mircea_popescu ascii_field why ?
12:40 ascii_field single-packet messages, with no ack.
12:41 mircea_popescu so ? i dun follow.
12:41 ascii_field because a node of whom you are not a friend ought not to be distinguishable in any way whatsoever from an empty wall socket.
12:41 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:42 ascii_field ANY node
12:42 mircea_popescu quite.
12:42 ascii_field then to whom do you intend to make outbound connection ?
12:42 mircea_popescu that's your business.
12:42 ascii_field whoever accepts tcp connections is ddosable.
12:43 mircea_popescu so... every website on the internet. ok. so ?
12:43 ascii_field regardless of why or form whom he accepts them.
12:43 ascii_field aha
12:43 mircea_popescu so what's the problem you see ?
12:44 ascii_field that tcp is retarded ?
12:44 ascii_field because stateful
12:44 ascii_field and permits all-comers to cost you memory (for however short a time) and not only cpu cycles.
12:44 mircea_popescu looky. a gossipd based on the concept that you keep firewalled clients at home and they connect to a random pile of websites, which simply respond with pgp -w text
12:44 mircea_popescu is both a lot more feasible and way cheaper than the alternative "we'll lay our own cable fu"
12:44 ascii_field no need to lay own cable
12:45 ascii_field (see old thread)
12:45 mircea_popescu link ?
12:45 ascii_field but 'handful of servers' is what we have today, and it falls over when enemy so much as sneezes at it.
12:45 ascii_field 'server' is a braindamaged concept, period
12:46 mircea_popescu leaving aside the theory. the model here contemplated is actually workable.
12:46 mircea_popescu nobody cares if "fall over" because there's so damned many of them.
12:46 mircea_popescu you can use fucking twitter for all the difference it makes.
12:46 ascii_field not to mention the www stack (apache et all) is a massive turd
12:46 mircea_popescu you don't run it yourself.
12:46 mircea_popescu make a subreddit.
12:47 mircea_popescu make a facebook account.
12:47 ascii_field aha i see where mircea_popescu was going
12:47 mircea_popescu bleed tghem dry.
12:47 ascii_field this is baked
12:47 ascii_field malware c&c machinery uses this method.
12:47 mircea_popescu right.
12:47 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:47 ascii_field one of the caveats is that 'pull'-anything is susceptible to engineered slowdown
12:48 mircea_popescu to put this morning's set of realisations in a simple, clear package : making a battleship is nowhere near as good as making a battleship out of ustard decapitated heads.
12:48 mircea_popescu sure, it is.
12:48 mircea_popescu the alternative is susceptible to filtering on infrastructure you don't own.
12:48 ascii_field this is sorta like blockchain telegraph - works great if you don't need frequent/real-time updates
12:49 ascii_field and the passive nodes are kept abreast of the 'drop site' list
12:49 mircea_popescu seems the b-a works just fine with logline refs.
12:49 mircea_popescu if anything real-time is truly DETRIMENTAL, if my mpex and our ba experience has taught us anything.
12:49 mircea_popescu should be there in days rather than yerars, yes. should be there in microseconds rather than seconds ? mno.
12:50 ascii_field aha usenet
12:50 mircea_popescu aha.
12:51 mircea_popescu thinking about it twitter is particularly apt for this job.
12:51 * ascii_field actually prefers usenet-style conversation, and was resistant to b-a-ization initially because of it
12:51 mircea_popescu what's the difference you'd say ?
12:51 mircea_popescu line rather than paragraph ?
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12:51 ascii_field mircea_popescu: sorta like the difference between meat chess and epistolary chess
12:52 mircea_popescu the only problem with that thing is that IT makes emotion unreadable
12:52 mircea_popescu no, it's not "the internet". it's the usenet/bbs/forum model.
12:52 ascii_field aha
12:55 ascii_field deedbot- has been unhappy lately ?
12:56 BingoBoingo ascii_field: mebbe deedbot is afraid of the gossipd similarity to usenet? Fears #b-a.tasteless?
12:58 trinque ascii_field: it has; in this case reconnected as deedbot-- but could not auth
12:59 * ascii_field has been having peculiar problems connecting, for a couplea days now
12:59 * BingoBoingo too
12:59 trinque there's mention of freenode ddos in teh logz
12:59 trinque they also tweeted something about it a few days ago
13:02 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within
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13:02 assbot Turkey recovers body of pilot from downed Russian jet| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1lSAhIZ )
13:02 trinque probably obvious
13:07 mircea_popescu alternatively they're ready for a rematch of 1878
13:07 ascii_field ^^^
13:07 mircea_popescu except there's no romania around to save the russians' butt this time
13:08 ascii_field wai wut
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13:32 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:35 trinque hm. on the other side, Crimea is a bit closer to Ankara isn't it.
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13:54 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/Yfe7IhE.jpg
13:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrJlD2 )
13:57 mircea_popescu ascii_field what do you think happened in teh turk-russian war ?
13:58 hanbot BingoBoingo from mp's latest qntra lulz, "has moved on to playing with the the little rocks", double-the.
14:00 BingoBoingo fxd
14:02 mircea_popescu „Turcii, adunând cele mai mari mase de trupe la Plevna, ne zdrobesc. Rog să faci fusiune, demonstrațiune și, dacă se poate, să treci Dunărea cu armata după cum dorești. Între Jiu și Corabia demonstrațiunea aceasta este neapărat necesară pentru înlesnirea mișcărilor mele.” etc.
14:02 mircea_popescu war was won by romanian troops with russian auxiliaries under romanian command. so HA!
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14:20 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:28 ascii_field any of you every try gccsense ? (http://cx4a.org/software/gccsense )
14:29 mod6 no, huh.
14:31 mod6 thanks for posting
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14:46 ascii_field it is very very ugly:
14:46 ascii_field uses own fork of gcc (good luck if you do embedded work)
14:46 ascii_field and relies on proggies in ruby (!) for emacs glue
14:51 ascii_field ... aaaand it doesn't seem to actually work
14:52 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
14:53 ascii_field if anyone actually gets this to work, please say.
14:54 ascii_field aaaaand even if it worked, it wouldn't work in header files.
14:54 ascii_field (as per manual)
14:56 ascii_field and the whole 'gccrec' thing is ick
14:56 ascii_field but i pasted the link because APPARENTLY THIS IS the state of the art
14:58 mod6 haha.,
14:58 mod6 ok i'll steer clear
14:59 shinohai !s https://github.com/jgarzik/playground21/tree/master/apibb
14:59 assbot playground21/apibb at master · jgarzik/playground21 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hy7ZgS )
14:59 assbot 0 results for 'https://github.com/jgarzik/playground21/tree/master/apibb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjgarzik%2Fplayground21%2Ftree%2Fmaster%2Fapibb
15:08 mircea_popescu the state of the fart.
15:08 BingoBoingo old, but everthing a crime https://archive.is/rBH9u
15:08 assbot New law could mean bad news for allergy sufferers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hy9k7v )
15:10 mircea_popescu heh. the lulzy this yes that no selection the usg does.
15:11 mircea_popescu if you think you're "transsexual" that's a protected class. if you got allergies, fuck you.
15:11 mircea_popescu if you're trying to get an abortion, yay! if you're trying to buy a gun BOO!!!
15:11 mircea_popescu if you're smoking you're evil. if you're fat you're alt-beautiful.
15:12 mircea_popescu if you're a 20something woman working in an office and you think you might have been raped by a 50 something outdoors type of guy, poor you. if you're a 50something outdoors type of guy and think you might have been raped by a 20something irs office drone, fuck you.
15:14 mircea_popescu if you think "the patriarchy" is causing "global warming", you go on the foodstamp list. if you think government is causing the decay of society, you get on the no travel list.
15:15 mircea_popescu at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
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15:24 BingoBoingo Seriously. My choices to avoid mouthbreathing until this things resolves are 1. Sign my name to the methlist 2. Placebo 3. Topical spray that can't reach site of action because of cold related fluid build up
15:25 BingoBoingo And no. A fucking neti pot is not an option because I'm not a hippy and I don't want fucking brain parasites because this is the third world.
15:27 BingoBoingo Apparently brewing an immediate pseudophedrine precursor (With Yeast and Dextrose!) isn't too bad. Maybe there's some way to astroturf the hippies into promoting "natural" pseudoephedrine brewing
15:30 BingoBoingo Bullshit phenylephrine placebo with 4x side effects and 0x actual effect
15:31 jurov luckily i so far did not need meth precursors, only *cetizine pills and benifuki tea
15:31 jurov *cetirizine pills
15:31 jurov and the tea is expensive, tho
15:32 BingoBoingo Ah, if I break down and sign my name to the list I'll prolly get cetirizine + pseudoephedrine but I dunno what that tea is
15:33 jurov japanese import
15:33 jurov and i don't have ephedrine in these pills
15:33 BingoBoingo Ah, but you have a catecholamine drug in the tea! That's the secret!
15:34 BingoBoingo Drug was hiding in the beverage
15:35 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: they come in saline-under-co2-in-a-can versions
15:35 ben_vulpes ascii_field: i have *just* (as in the past week) located my wot's signal analyzer
15:35 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Oh?
15:38 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: yup. totally sterile, the way god intended it be.
15:39 ben_vulpes once upon a time (when i still got sick, before i brought my own disease vector into the house) i dissolved some curcumin into the saline solution
15:39 ben_vulpes stained the neilmed squeeze bottle yellow
15:39 ben_vulpes disconcerting
15:45 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/clumsyfetish/
15:45 assbot Clumsy Fetish ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nhd60S )
15:46 BingoBoingo http://gomerblog.com/2015/11/emergency-medicine-society/
15:46 assbot Emergency Medicine Society Recommends a Rectal Exam to Rule-out Back Pain | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhdbSl )
15:51 mod6 All: Version '99997 K' of V has been posted to ML & website: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
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15:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Hyqh )
15:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0HBCj )
15:51 BingoBoingo http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6bQY0Y-RMpg/VhVNHKkAWAI/AAAAAAAANHU/dvVNYWGUhlY/s400/original.jpg
15:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0HBT0 )
15:56 BingoBoingo Is there no social movement in Syria that isn't as scary as fuck https://archive.is/KXD0f
15:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhdZGY )
15:56 * ben_vulpes just witnessed apple deinstall a second google app from his phone
15:56 ben_vulpes last week it was google maps
15:56 ben_vulpes this week 'tis youtube
15:56 BingoBoingo "In Rojava’s three Kurdish cantons, together comprising an area about the size of Connecticut, society is being organized according to the principles of an American anarchist-ecologist philosopher named Murray Bookchin. "
16:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 82 @ 0.03274926 = 2.6854 BTC [-]
16:04 trinque municipal assemblies, which he called ‘‘democracy without the state.’’ These assemblies would form a grand confederation that would extend across all Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran << the old-new thing
16:06 trinque Is the world—and this time most scandalously of all, the international left—really going to be complicit in letting history repeat itself? << bahahaha this is so painfully self-aware
16:07 trinque !up ascii_field
16:08 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333683 << not arbitrary at all. plain old 'class war'
16:08 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 20:15:06; mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
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16:25 ben_vulpes the creeping death
16:27 ben_vulpes ascii_field: i've gotten some decent mileage out of company-mode.
16:29 ben_vulpes http://ngnghm.github.io/ << more 'hoon', but with no code
16:29 assbot Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxIfK )
16:32 ben_vulpes http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-25/want-to-get-richer-accept-refugees << "eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and not that bad for you!"
16:32 assbot Want to Get Richer? Accept Refugees - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1HykTLT )
16:38 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
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16:39 pete_dushenski of course, it's mostly the lower classes who will be out-competed for entry-level positions, much to society's benefit.
16:39 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/05/good-afternoon-isis/#footnote_17_5930 << obligatory
16:39 assbot Good Afternoon ISIS | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HylInX )
16:40 pete_dushenski a little tension and competition IS A GOOD THING.
16:40 pete_dushenski otherwise, give it a few generations of complacency and mankind inevitably degenerates
16:41 pete_dushenski "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
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16:41 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
16:42 ascii_field danke pete_dushenski
16:42 pete_dushenski bitte
16:42 ascii_field ben_vulpes: i was looking at 'company-mode'. where does it actually get the tags ?
16:52 BingoBoingo !up bad_duck
16:55 ben_vulpes ascii_field: i believe that to be major-mode dependent. see 'backends'.
16:56 ascii_field ben_vulpes: which ones have you tried ?
16:56 ascii_field ctags is worthless
16:56 ascii_field (if i can't define a symbol and have it IMMEDIATELY typecompletable, it's shit)
16:56 ascii_field even microshit got this right
16:57 ascii_field but here in 'civilized' world, no dice
16:58 phf ascii_field: i believe if you want to get company mode working with C++ you have to muck around with either clang or CEDET
16:58 ascii_field no dice
16:59 ascii_field i use gcc not only because clang is made by enemy but ONLY GCC BUILDS FOR MY ARCH
16:59 ascii_field i do embedded
16:59 ascii_field for fuck's sake
16:59 ascii_field i have motherfucking inline asm in my src
16:59 ascii_field no clang.
17:00 phf ascii_field: i mostly said it to make you twitch, since i know clang is out, and CEDET is a major pain in the ass to setup. i periodically go through exercise every couple of years, and give up in disgust
17:02 ascii_field at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
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17:02 ascii_field and that what we have now makes the same amount of sense as having a separate gas and brake pedal for each of 4 wheels in a car.
17:02 ben_vulpes ascii_field: only the clojure mode.
17:04 phf ascii_field: i don't know about company mode, but builtin dabbrev-expand will pull from current buffer, other buffers or else TAGS, so it sort of satisfies your request for "what i just typed should be available". but your point stands, this is not to run things
17:05 ascii_field useless
17:05 phf there's a nice demo of Lucid xemacs based c++ environment that does all kinds of dynamic things. '95, since then, much progress.
17:05 ascii_field for one thing, i DON'T NEED a thing that fucks with my buffer layout!!
17:05 ascii_field for another thing, i don't ever want to have to think about the 'tags'
17:06 ascii_field as soon as i type out a symbol, it ought to be in the completion list
17:06 ascii_field along with anything reachable via the #include's , and any and all language keywords,
17:06 ascii_field and any valid struct elements / class members in cpp / etc.
17:06 ascii_field and with those visible in scope coming FIRST
17:06 ascii_field and yes, i know why we do not have it
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17663 @ 0.00050605 = 8.9384 BTC [+] {4}
17:07 ascii_field (for same reason that i was not able to make the flow graph)
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8787 @ 0.00051008 = 4.4821 BTC [+]
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17:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0005101 = 1.3773 BTC [+] {2}
17:48 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
17:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000502 = 2.1586 BTC [-] {2}
17:48 ascii_field most of freenode under ddos
17:48 pete_dushenski " The unboxing channel DisneyCollector recently became the most watched YouTube show in the United States, with, at more than two million subscribers, the second largest viewership in the world. "
17:48 pete_dushenski " For reasons unclear to most adult viewers, these short clips in which anonymous presenters who show only their hands unwrap toys appear utterly mesmerising to their tiny fans. "
17:48 ascii_field (of an elementary kind, where maxint drones connect and sit)
17:50 pete_dushenski for reasons unclear eh ? how about "americans are poor and can't afford to buy their kids toys, nor parent them properly and engage their kids' imaginations outside of showing them iphone videos of all the things they can't afford to buy their kids" ? sounds pretty straight-forward
17:51 pete_dushenski "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
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17:52 pete_dushenski 1000 youtube videos currently costs <$1 to manufacture. that's a fact.
17:52 pete_dushenski that youtube would be so wetoddhad as to pay derps posting random videos of anything 4x that is frankly inconceivable
17:53 pete_dushenski http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11112511/Toddlers-mesmerised-by-surreal-world-of-unboxing-videos.html << quotes via
17:53 assbot Toddlers mesmerised by surreal world of unboxing videos - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1js5QYz )
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18:09 adlai does havelock have any wot presence?
18:13 adlai !up jurov
18:13 jurov adlai: none
18:14 jurov ;;seen topace
18:14 gribble topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 8 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <topace> heh
18:14 jurov ^ he is not publicly affiliated anymore
18:14 jurov kakobreklaa: maybe update b-a frontpage
18:15 jurov !gettrust jurov enky
18:15 assbot Trust relationship from user jurov to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=enky | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/enky/
18:17 jurov well, the question is, who *should* be there. definitely qntra and the foundation
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18:40 trinque motherfucker. deedbot- has been gagging on orphans for 400 blks
18:51 pete_dushenski http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34247629
18:51 assbot Viewpoint: Should we all be looking for marginal gains? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0VP69 )
18:57 shinohai trinque: is related to https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ur5ma/stuck_transactions/ ?
18:57 assbot Stuck transactions : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Wk0e )
18:58 mircea_popescu just because killerstorm doesn't understand what's going on doesn't mean "sophisticated devils etc"
18:59 mircea_popescu "The question I have is why do we have to learn about it through guesswork, aren't miners themselves interested in Bitcoin being a reliable payment system?" aka "why don't people in bitcoin give a shit about people on reddit/github/tardstalk"
18:59 mircea_popescu guess.
18:59 trinque shinohai: nah just seems like for whatever reason, the node I was connected to started barfing orphans (maliciously? aws? who knows.)
19:00 shinohai weird.
19:00 trinque this affects the bot's ability to verify that the transaction went through, and hence, its ability to subsequently spend that output
19:00 trinque well, we just need to ship you to turkmenistan or w/e and solve it
19:02 pete_dushenski i hear baku is a happening spot these days.
19:03 pete_dushenski sorta in the same region.
19:04 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261991 << though turkmenistan does have some pretty wicked bus stops with broken air conditioning
19:04 assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 22:25:09; pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio
19:05 shinohai I must set up shop in glorious nation of Kazakhstan ....
19:06 jurov trinque: it connects at random?
19:06 jurov from what i see from the logs, foundation node rejects them as nonstandard
19:06 pete_dushenski shinohai: heh.
19:07 trinque jurov: yeah, I am going to try switching to a foundation node.
19:12 pete_dushenski http://www.hok.com/uploads/2012/09/27/baku-tower03new.jpg http://inhalemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Zaha-Hadid-Architects_Baku.jpg << some of the out-there architecture baku has built lately. definitely splashy!
19:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Xrgj )
19:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Xrgp )
19:12 mircea_popescu !up wpalczynski
19:12 pete_dushenski baku will also host the f1 european grand prix in 2016. first for 'stans' afaik.
19:12 pete_dushenski (how azerbaijan is in 'europe' is for ecclestone to answer)
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19:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333707 << win.
19:13 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 20:51:01; mod6: All: Version '99997 K' of V has been posted to ML & website: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
19:16 mircea_popescu lol @ the "feminist anarchist" gargle. yay, Michelle Goldberg, you go roar girl.
19:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333730 << more fundamentally, not like they're going to fuck the women.
19:19 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 21:38:08; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
19:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333736 << so the recall is not worth doing.
19:20 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 21:41:41; pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
19:20 mircea_popescu also, 130 early deaths are not worth 840mn.
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000502 = 2.8614 BTC [-] {2}
19:20 mircea_popescu the syrians will do it for 50k.
19:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333756 << welcome to 1990.
19:21 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 22:02:16; ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
19:22 pete_dushenski and 840 mn < 35 bn or whatever number was being bandied about for 'recall cost'.
19:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0005101 = 4.2593 BTC [+] {2}
19:23 mircea_popescu aha.
19:23 mircea_popescu "spend 35bn to save 50k we call 1bn because all numbers are the same number. WE ARE HUMANISTS DAMNIT"
19:24 pete_dushenski "and we needs moar gdp grooth!"
19:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333780 << i know a few people with a billion views who never saw a million dollars. so... no.
19:24 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 22:51:01; pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
19:24 pete_dushenski or what was it 'ngdp' now.
19:25 mircea_popescu it's fdp. FAIR DOMESTIC PRODUCT
19:25 mircea_popescu the other one was gross.
19:26 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
19:26 gribble Current Blocks: 385959 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1112 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:26 mircea_popescu oddly, my node is fine.
19:26 mircea_popescu trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess
19:27 * pete_dushenski remembers learning about shift from 'gnp' to 'gdp' as boy and apparent shadiness of this bait-and-switch even then
19:27 mircea_popescu have the firewall set up so it can only connect to them (deny from all accept from X Y Z) as a way around the incredibly braindamaged way the client itself handles connections
19:28 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski what was shady ? there's nothing national about corporations.
19:29 mircea_popescu http://inhalemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Zaha-Hadid-Architects_Baku.jpg << i absolutely hate this stupid shit.
19:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Xrgp )
19:29 mircea_popescu architecture made by humanists for humanists. "here, look how insignificant the human is!!11"
19:29 mircea_popescu fuck you.
19:31 pete_dushenski palace at versailles yields different impression, yes, that of "holy fuck how did they even think of that level of detailing?" and "holy cramoly where did they even find craftsman to make that?"
19:32 pete_dushenski 'modern' architecture is more "look what we made materials do. at least until it rains!"
19:32 jurov mircea_popescu: how much memory it has available? i have seen newly started node gain 60MB RSS in a hour (my experimental limiter did not kick in due to bug)
19:32 mircea_popescu jurov 64gb
19:32 jurov l0l
19:32 mircea_popescu w3ut
19:33 jurov obv it's fine
19:33 mircea_popescu well this isn't a pogo what am i to do.
19:34 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The distant future of Bitcoin miner defection. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/29/the-distant-future-of-bitcoin-miner-defection/
19:34 pete_dushenski and with that, ima a be on my merry way. cheers !
19:34 trinque mircea_popescu │ trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess << I've got space; perhaps cramped in other ways. For now I'll switch to the foundation bitcoind. If there are still problems, I'll move the node to a separate instance with undisclosed IP and communicate inside AWS. If that still has problems, would actually be pretty interesting.
19:34 mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/be14e31df8a813c2e77598b73e5c052b/tumblr_ms2pf6z7wN1rdybpyo1_1280.jpg
19:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Z6CB )
19:36 trinque mod6: would latest script in the logs not have the right V hash?
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19:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005101 = 4.5909 BTC [+] {2}
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20:14 kakobrekla fucking freenode.
20:14 mircea_popescu aha
20:17 mircea_popescu but in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/c2b420ef3570b64c51825391319f3e31/tumblr_mo7k4n5SI21s7u4o4o1_500.jpg
20:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkfOXV )
20:23 mod6 <+trinque> mod6: would latest script in the logs not have the right V hash? << Hmm?
20:23 mod6 oh the rotor+TEST2 script? Yeah, that needs to be updated.
20:23 trinque k
20:24 mod6 I'll post an updated version here tonight. Thanks.
20:24 mod6 :]
20:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2529 @ 0.000502 = 1.2696 BTC [-] {2}
20:28 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333627 < the thread is all over the place. for certain, not all, things i find this worse than the shape of a classic forum.
20:28 assbot Logged on 29-11-2015 17:51:30; mircea_popescu: line rather than paragraph ?
20:34 mircea_popescu as far as im concerned the classic forum is unusable because it is perfectly unable to handle quotation. it's the same exact problem of "inline" comment display for wordpress : you end up either with an arbitrary node depth or else single character lines
20:34 mircea_popescu suppose i quote two different things respondent. the thread should now split, as a tree. it does not do that.
20:34 mircea_popescu if it doesn't do that might as well forget the pretense and do this.
20:36 kakobrekla it shouldnt split (although it can be) and as it is now it cant ever split.
20:36 danielpbarron that's what i liked about twitter-- the forking of threads and chaining of replies. These days it's been ruined with some algorithmic sorting
20:37 kakobrekla here have b-a, 100 megs of text thread. yay.
20:38 danielpbarron irc is an old favorite of mine. Been using it since 2004 (although i took a several years break from 2008 till i found this place)
20:39 danielpbarron still have all my old logs burned on a cd
20:40 jurov BingoBoingo: hopefully better stuff than murican passports: http://dpaste.com/1102V9J
20:40 assbot dpaste: 1102V9J: qntra, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmaKmA )
20:41 kakobrekla it was acceptable in the old days of b-a when we werent actually been doing anything. now theres n projects being juggled and its a pain.
20:41 * mircea_popescu kinda likes it.
20:41 kakobrekla yeah i know you like pain.
20:41 mircea_popescu i mean, for as long as there isn't a solution, the best thing to do is not pretend to solve the problem
20:41 kakobrekla especially inflicted on others. :p
20:41 mircea_popescu lmao
20:44 kakobrekla before a solution is found, the problem needs recognition, no?
20:44 mircea_popescu certainly.
20:45 mircea_popescu i confess i dunno what the problem is. this certainly should not mean no problem exists.
20:46 mircea_popescu one thing i can see : the conversation graph is incredibly complex. there's two practical ways to present it : either as a flat file without any structure other than what's provided by the author ; or else as a properly restated graph, which will do a lot of node replication as oyu have to unwind the rat's nest of reference.
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00050574 = 3.439 BTC [+] {2}
20:46 mircea_popescu as far as the later thing is concerned, it's not clear it actually is any better (because you will necessarily have to read EVEN MORE), we know from experience that machines can not do this, and contemporary semiotics seems to indicate the task is intractable in principle.
20:47 kakobrekla the problem is poor separation of threads. i have been actually thinking about this a few weeks ago and though i might add forward linking to the logs, along with the existing back linking
20:47 mircea_popescu if you recall we were toying with the idea of getting someone to summarize the logs. fluffypony even offered to finance it. nobody could be found.
20:48 mircea_popescu the recent experience of gabrielradio trying on the (imo easier) task of translating trilema articles makes me think it will NEVER be done.
20:48 kakobrekla not all problems are solvable by slaves.
20:48 mircea_popescu but the idea of forward links is good i think
20:48 kakobrekla unless 'rabotnik'.
20:51 mircea_popescu the thing is tho, from my own experience reading logs, every time i try to jump forward in time i end up with a mess. works much better for me to read them serially and think about it that way. which is why i parse the logs to this day, years later.
20:51 mircea_popescu but who knows
20:53 mircea_popescu anyway, slaves schmlaves. i tried to do it myself, the summarization of logs, gave up in anger.
20:54 kakobrekla summary isnt really the cure here
20:55 kakobrekla say i wanna reread everything that was said about 'v', i have two options;
20:55 kakobrekla 1. read last 30 megs of logs
20:55 kakobrekla 2. go fuck myself
20:55 kakobrekla 2 is actually 1 in another words.
20:57 mircea_popescu if you had a summary you would in principle be able to.
20:57 mircea_popescu think the old system of "library cards" or "study notes"
20:57 mircea_popescu which is how intellectual life organized the large conversation back when people still had an intellectual life.
20:57 kakobrekla id be able to tune it down to 10 megs instead of 30. out of 100k needed.
20:57 mircea_popescu no, the idea is you keep your own lecture notes, which are not necessarily equal to another's.
20:58 mircea_popescu uni professor comes before the class of 100 kids, reads the 30mb of log,
20:58 mircea_popescu this results in 100 mutually incomparable sets of 1-3 mb notes.
20:58 mircea_popescu the total size has balooned but each person has their own comfortable paths cut through the field, like so many mice.
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.000502 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2}
20:59 mircea_popescu but so stated (say i wanna reread everything that x), the problem is obvious to me too. we're in danger of losing it.
21:02 kakobrekla better comparison than professor seems to me a giant book that contains everything without any order or index or chapters or ...
21:02 kakobrekla not even the professor can use it!
21:04 mircea_popescu myeah.
21:04 mircea_popescu certainly all sorts of buried gems in there by now that all of 3 people maybe know about.
21:05 mircea_popescu pete_d has been trying in his own way to fight this i gather, with mixed results.
21:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00050121 = 5.789 BTC [-] {3}
21:12 phf i keep bookmarks around, per subject that i'm interested in, or mp/ascii dialogues that i might want to reread. a solution that i was thinking of hacking up in my own system is ranged highlights, basically same idea as on trilema, but instead of point-to-point it's entries and ranges. so on subject of v the link becomes entries=333,350-380,490-492,500-505. perhaps that sort of bookmarks can be shared, to have an illuminated log
21:20 kakobrekla the best way to keep a house tidy is not messing it up in the first place
21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28002 @ 0.0005096 = 14.2698 BTC [+] {4}
21:21 kakobrekla second best is to have a house keeper, but that has failed.
21:24 mircea_popescu kakobrekla in general the housewives that succeed in their life's work of "getting everyone to stop messing up the house" are ~a year away from having to decide if they wish to file for divorce or just come to terms with the fact that the husband lives with a younger woman now.
21:26 kakobrekla you dont have to get married, you can just pay.
21:26 mircea_popescu i don't mean you!
21:27 mircea_popescu heck, are you even a woman ?!
21:30 kakobrekla sounds like tits but means dick.
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21:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00051009 = 3.3921 BTC [+] {2}
22:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050089 = 1.2021 BTC [-] {2}
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22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00051009 = 22.495 BTC [+] {4}
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22:39 phf ;;isup files.bitcoin-assets.com
22:39 gribble files.bitcoin-assets.com is up
22:39 kakobrekla problem?
22:40 phf yeah.. not actually getting a connection
22:40 kakobrekla did you do a lot of requests?
22:40 phf from my machine only though. is there some kind of tripwire there?
22:41 phf yes
22:41 kakobrekla triggerhappy banhammer id guess
22:42 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> jurov 64gb << My node also fine on 8gb 0.7-ish
22:42 kakobrekla phf static ip?
22:43 phf kakobrekla: not on my home machine, but if you can write in an exception i have an ip for you
22:43 kakobrekla i can, pm.
22:44 phf i patched my script to do HEAD on files to ensure that i'm up to date, probably doing them in loop on the entire set is what triggered
22:47 kakobrekla a yup.
22:48 kakobrekla server is still sort of in war mode since the last ddos attacks
22:49 BingoBoingo <jurov> BingoBoingo: hopefully better stuff than murican passports: http://dpaste.com/1102V9J << Editing it nao
22:49 assbot dpaste: 1102V9J: qntra, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmaKmA )
22:56 punkman zaoshang
23:08 mod6 trinque, et. al: The updated [version 99997 K] rotot v054-TEST2 (via `V') script: http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt
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23:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmteVM )
23:08 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1333821 << oh you don't understand, europe is everywhere! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU_European_Neighbourhood_Policy_states.svg
23:08 assbot Logged on 30-11-2015 00:12:56; pete_dushenski: (how azerbaijan is in 'europe' is for ecclestone to answer)
23:08 assbot File:EU European Neighbourhood Policy states.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmtjbW )
23:15 trinque mod6: neato!
23:16 trinque building now
23:16 BingoBoingo jurov: Published
23:16 BingoBoingo Added conclusion, made a few other edits
23:17 deedbot- [Qntra] Recent "SigOp" "Attack" On The Blockchain Or Advanced Power Rangering - http://qntra.net/2015/11/recent-sigop-attack-on-the-blockchain-or-advanced-power-rangering/
23:17 mircea_popescu excellent write-up.
23:17 mircea_popescu thumbsup jurov
23:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00050157 = 2.4075 BTC [-]
23:23 mircea_popescu remains staying outside of the Core fork << spurious staying
23:27 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ukj2j/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_the_day_is_coming/ <<< in other news anon redditards write whitepapers about trilema, forget to mention it's about trilema.
23:27 assbot Balaji S. Srinivasan on Twitter: The day is coming when Google must bulk purchase Bitcoin to crawl the machine-payable web : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XChT2Y )
23:28 mod6 thanks trinque, let me know how it goes.
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00051009 = 3.3666 BTC [+] {2}
23:30 punkman http://i.imgur.com/UkGnUE3.gif
23:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmvrAn )
23:31 BingoBoingo fxd
23:32 phf punkman: looks like a neti pot alternative for BingoBoingo
23:33 BingoBoingo Nope. Doesn't involve nearly enough chemicals.
23:34 BingoBoingo And my nose doesn't need to identify as transJewMayoQueer
23:35 punkman tramazoline hydrochloride and dexamethasone is a good combination
23:36 mircea_popescu whenever trinque is the 2nd word in a sentence my latin parser kids in
23:36 mircea_popescu and i go &trin... wait, wut ?
23:39 punkman http://www.centralbank.org.bb/news/article/8827/should-cryptocurrencies-be-included-in-the-portfolio-of-international-reserves
23:41 mircea_popescu i hope they come up with "yes" as the answer.
23:41 punkman they did
23:41 mircea_popescu seeing how the only question is "what fraction of bitcoin reserves is safe to be kept as fiat"
23:47 BingoBoingo punkman: Isn't dexamethasone the bad kind of steroid?
23:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14392 @ 0.0005018 = 7.2219 BTC [-] {3}
23:49 punkman BingoBoingo: no idea, but best unclogger I can get locally
23:52 * BingoBoingo suspects cocaine would be surpremely effective, but the whole sobriety thing
23:52 trinque nah, coke boogers
23:54 phf that's why you disolve it an alcohol and drink
23:54 punkman re: irc threads, suppose we had a client that merge multiple channels into a single stream
23:56 punkman also, anyone remember google wave
23:57 BingoBoingo phf: Or saline to spray
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