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00:17 BingoBoingo !up gabrielradio
00:18 * BingoBoingo prolly going to write a still more explicit qntra style guide this weekend
00:19 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttstamp
00:19 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.81, Best ask: 356.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 356.96, 24 hour volume: 13739.54739798, 24 hour low: 349.47, 24 hour high: 364.8, 24 hour vwap: 358.009611894
00:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9861 @ 0.00050901 = 5.0193 BTC [+] {2}
00:25 gabrielradio !rate jurov 3 everything went smooth on CoinBr.com
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00:29 * chatquack shivers
00:33 gabrielradio http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2015#1332193 << that looks like a challenge. i'll be on it!
00:33 assbot Logged on 26-11-2015 19:01:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio. didja catch the 'don quixote' jazz on contravex ? anyways, here's a dramatical script if you're feeling ambitious : http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/
00:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8481 @ 0.00050154 = 4.2536 BTC [-]
00:56 mircea_popescu "Dear Customer, lease see the below important updates on our services.
00:56 mircea_popescu On the 19th of October 2015 we notified you of changes to our payment gateway service. We regret to announce that on Monday the 30th of November we will be rolling back these changes and the new "WorldPay" option will no longer be available. All of our previous payment options,with the exception of Payza will remain available. "
00:57 mircea_popescu straight from horse's mouth (internet.bs). no idea if actually worth some research
01:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9870 @ 0.00050154 = 4.9502 BTC [-]
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01:17 mircea_popescu heh, two things about sorana, the comedy : a) i think i wrote about a dozen words. the rest is simply taken from "leaked" romanian-nsa phone intercepts (strictly illegal to have those, and even illegal-er to leak them seeing how the trial was ongoing. but...)
01:17 mircea_popescu b) it ain't fucking translatable.
01:18 mircea_popescu but anyway, the intercepts were from "a dangerous ring of underage prostitute traffickers". who turned out to be indescribably dude-next-door sorta warm, cozy, familiar situation.
01:19 mircea_popescu !up benkay
01:19 benkay fire freenode when
01:19 mircea_popescu asap.
01:19 benkay what needs doing - ircds on boxen and that's it?
01:20 * benkay naive to downside implications of leaving freenode a smoking crater
01:20 mircea_popescu uh.
01:20 mircea_popescu gossipd.
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01:41 benkay some solution.
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02:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00049467 = 6.2328 BTC [-] {2}
02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5852 @ 0.00049552 = 2.8998 BTC [+]
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02:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00050134 = 7.9212 BTC [+]
02:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00050183 = 2.3837 BTC [+]
02:37 trinque !up indiancandy1
02:37 indiancandy1 does anyone no
02:38 indiancandy1 anything about diito music
02:38 indiancandy1 are they a reliable source
02:41 trinque I haven't heard much discussion of music distribution here.
02:41 trinque seems like a dying/dead business
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4157 @ 0.00049921 = 2.0752 BTC [-] {2}
02:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5543 @ 0.00049466 = 2.7419 BTC [-]
02:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8528 @ 0.0005019 = 4.2802 BTC [+] {2}
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03:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00049499 = 8.1426 BTC [-] {2}
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03:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00049857 = 7.0049 BTC [+] {2}
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04:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00049466 = 6.1585 BTC [-]
04:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00050181 = 10.0111 BTC [+]
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05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00049745 = 1.7659 BTC [-]
05:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049745 = 4.6263 BTC [-]
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06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00049924 = 7.3638 BTC [+]
06:37 jurov soo. i have managed to get MEM_LIVE to decrease by replacing mapNextTx.clear() by mapNextTx.erase(mapNextTx.begin(),mapNextTx.end())
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06:38 jurov though, I'm now not sure clear() did it either, because i looked at MEM_TOTAL at first lol
06:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00049466 = 4.3035 BTC [-]
06:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00049924 = 4.0438 BTC [+]
06:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13937 @ 0.00049466 = 6.8941 BTC [-]
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08:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00049924 = 2.2715 BTC [+]
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09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00049792 = 4.1327 BTC [-]
09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049609 = 4.1672 BTC [-]
09:19 mircea_popescu jurov does this mechanism do anything about fragmentation ? notrly huh
09:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00049466 = 4.1304 BTC [-]
09:21 mircea_popescu but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/28c518132cbd272584a956ae7cd0c234/tumblr_mkd3hzoobu1s4red5o1_1280.jpg
09:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAAo8n )
09:28 mircea_popescu and unrelatedly, omfg busta rhymes is the best black people act since aretha franklin.
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00049466 = 7.964 BTC [-]
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09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4519 @ 0.00049789 = 2.25 BTC [+]
10:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00049792 = 3.2365 BTC [+]
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00049995 = 2.9652 BTC [+] {2}
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00049466 = 6.5048 BTC [-]
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10:21 shinohai reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3uigpd/peter_todd_remember_how_we_discussed_adding/ <<< Is Peter Todd insane ?
10:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00049466 = 10.2147 BTC [-]
10:28 mircea_popescu he's been an outlier throughout. not more or less insane than the average for that place.
10:30 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/f0a7ef54d8147383bc4c71f4b91e817a/tumblr_mju9tbDyvg1s2s899o1_1280.jpg
10:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hv4CHq )
10:30 shinohai After reading the comments, it appears to be collective insanity. I don't run core anymore anyway but bolting on tor kills it.
10:31 shinohai Dear Gawd
10:32 mircea_popescu funny how "everyone" pretends tor is actually somehow a thing.
10:33 mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose best link http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ for this year's crop of dexx's
10:33 assbot Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Te2i8l )
10:34 mircea_popescu "That contrary to planted disinformation of which the Guardian article is a fine example, the NSA has complete and unlimited, instantaneous access to any and all information passed through the TOR network in its entirety, as a matter of course and by design."
10:35 mircea_popescu what's it been, ONLY two full years ? still carrying on with it ?
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19609 @ 0.00050171 = 9.838 BTC [+] {3}
10:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050223 = 7.4079 BTC [+] {2}
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11:17 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
11:18 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332830 << the proper test of this is to jettison ~whole~ mempool in a running node and demonstrate that not only not crashes, but consistent operation from that point forward
11:18 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 11:37:16; jurov: soo. i have managed to get MEM_LIVE to decrease by replacing mapNextTx.clear() by mapNextTx.erase(mapNextTx.begin(),mapNextTx.end())
11:19 ascii_field (this was the purpose of my - failed - experiment)
11:19 mircea_popescu well... "consistent" at any rate.
11:19 ascii_field well there are a few gotchas, think about it - potentially a tx that is in the receive queue could turn bastard when pool is flushed
11:21 ascii_field and, as mircea_popescu mentioned earlier, there is also the problem of fragging, which none of this even begins to deal with, nor is anything like a clean/simple solution to it known to me
11:21 mircea_popescu seems if you flush, you flush the whole thing.
11:21 mircea_popescu mempool must be replaced with ring buffer.
11:21 mircea_popescu and i am almost persuaded by now that the notion of chained tx must be done away with.
11:21 ascii_field ^
11:22 mircea_popescu "no transaction may be included in mempool if it has ANY predecessors that have not been already mined"
11:22 ascii_field ^^
11:22 mircea_popescu i see why they wanted to pretend, but it is fundamentally contrary to design goals.
11:22 mircea_popescu an easement we can no longer carry forward
11:22 ascii_field this would handily cure the ailment described last night.
11:22 mircea_popescu yea.
11:22 mircea_popescu i've been mulling it for months now, but there's no way out.
11:23 * ascii_field wanted to suggest it originally but mircea_popescu was on a long 'this is your motherfucking grandfather's pistol and hands off' kick
11:23 mircea_popescu i still am.
11:23 mircea_popescu notably, this would do nothing to break the protocol. how nodes handle their mempool is really their own problem.
11:25 ascii_field didntcha always wonder why tx deletion had to be O(N) ?!
11:25 ascii_field i always thought this was a wtf.
11:26 mircea_popescu i never wondered, i wept.
11:26 mircea_popescu someone would have benefited immensely from a decent class in data structures.
11:27 mircea_popescu of course, there's a 2nd layer of problems : had the code been neatly written by someone obviously clueful as to the fundamentals of computer programming, would we have believed.
11:27 ascii_field mircea_popescu: in what way is the rotten mess 'easier to believe' ?
11:28 mircea_popescu seems easier to believe a lone wolf is dumb than clever.
11:28 mircea_popescu "whenever you do a murder, you make 25 mistakes ; if you remember five of them afterwards you're lucky."
11:30 mircea_popescu of course, back illo tempore any class on crypto necessarily begun with a "data structures" prior years earlier.
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11:31 ascii_field this may be edging into rms&gcc territory, but the inscrutability of the turd did its part in keeping the original net from forking to death - by ensuring that all of the forks were retarded 'swap the genesis' rather than any serious improvement of the compatibility-breaking kind
11:32 mircea_popescu aha
11:32 mircea_popescu grandfather pistol.
11:32 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332891 << even in the heathen lands, datastructures was a mandatory class in school
11:32 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 16:30:41; mircea_popescu: of course, back illo tempore any class on crypto necessarily begun with a "data structures" prior years earlier.
11:32 ascii_field at least when i was there.
11:32 ascii_field one of the gnarliest of the req'd courses, even
11:33 mircea_popescu anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.
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11:33 ascii_field mircea_popescu: enemy has pushed fork after fork, no ?
11:33 mircea_popescu mno.
11:33 ascii_field or we are speaking of some great wunderwaffen with actual planning & thought behind it
11:33 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:33 ascii_field ah.
11:34 mircea_popescu less thought, more money.
11:34 ascii_field taxcoin!
11:34 ascii_field l0l
11:34 mircea_popescu nah, just... take global warming.
11:35 ascii_field took'em a good while to glue all the envirowhiner sects into one juggernaut, aha
11:35 mircea_popescu so far all the efforts went more in the line of the earlierly discussed tor : nobody uses it but we keep pretending yet the propaganda machine's in place,
11:37 ascii_field the plankton - uses.
11:37 ascii_field in both cases.
11:37 ascii_field and usg is, after all, mainly a plankton filter feeder
11:37 mircea_popescu the plankton doth not matter, either.
11:37 ascii_field to whale - matters.
11:37 mircea_popescu notrly, even to whale. gotta appreciate : if the niche exists, the plankton also exists.
11:37 mircea_popescu it has no option whatsoever.
11:38 ascii_field and also i'm curious re: what is 'counterfork'
11:38 ascii_field presumably, not classic grandfather's flintlock pistol btc ?
11:38 mircea_popescu socialists, of which the usg is just an implementation, lose through there existing alternative. all that's needed really.
11:39 ascii_field ^ much this
11:39 mircea_popescu well i don't even know yet. vaguely defined, "a btc that won't give my computer hives"
11:40 mircea_popescu but anyway, a btc with ringbuffer mempool, with the aforediscussed scoring mechanism for discounting txn, with encrypted connections and using any port is probablty good enough. hard to tell.
11:40 mircea_popescu even "pogo-ready btc" might be good enough. definitely WOULD have been good enough, in 2015.
11:40 mircea_popescu but we're missing this window.
11:40 ascii_field if anyone asked me, i would answer 'a btc de-usgized from the minerals up', which means not only silicon but a non-ecc cryptosig, and a number of other refinements
11:40 mircea_popescu this is a large part of why nobody's asking you.
11:40 ascii_field aha
11:41 mircea_popescu you ever played civ ?
11:41 ascii_field sure!
11:41 ascii_field civ1.
11:41 * ascii_field began and ended with civ1
11:41 mircea_popescu were you the derpy sort of player that never built a phalanx ?
11:41 ascii_field mno
11:41 mircea_popescu then threw a fit when random barbarian landed and took your wonders ?
11:41 mircea_popescu so then why are you doing it here!
11:41 mircea_popescu minerals my foot. ain't nobody got time for that.
11:41 ascii_field i had the motherfucking 'play with barbarians' patch
11:46 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the 'encrypted connection' item necessarily reduces to gossipd
11:46 ascii_field (crypto without authentication and authentication without wot is of the heathens)
11:46 mircea_popescu and while at it, new, pure-rsa signature scheme.
11:46 ascii_field didn't i say?
11:47 ascii_field l0l
11:47 mircea_popescu anyway. whole raft of things that could go in.
11:47 ascii_field 'non-ecc cryptosig'
11:47 mircea_popescu for some reason i read that as ram parity check something-or-the-other.
11:47 mircea_popescu yeah.
11:48 mircea_popescu this will actually almost certainly be in there. gotta hurt the enemy not just in the matter at hand but across the field.
11:48 mircea_popescu imagine, having to either a) ignore the matter or b) make a point that the evil people are not-using its beloved shitscheme!
11:48 mircea_popescu the stuff of imperial nightmares.
11:49 mircea_popescu but so far we don't even know if we actually want rsa (this for lack of gossipd) nor have we studied shoup etc.
11:49 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
11:50 ascii_field mircea_popescu: l0l, think the thing is a hog now ? try with shoup
11:50 ascii_field but for all i know, shoup is the only working scheme and the correct maximum of tx carrying capacity ~is~ 1% of what it is now
11:50 mircea_popescu there's good reasons and bad reasons to be a hog.
11:50 ascii_field aha.
11:50 mircea_popescu as per example http://40.media.tumblr.com/2f5339ff02c6add59e46b9cd6d456319/tumblr_mg4rawQewx1ryfbpgo1_1280.jpg
11:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjpjHK )
11:51 mircea_popescu (leaving to reader's discretion which of the two this exemplifies)
11:51 ascii_field i'd even go as far as to suggest the use of lamport signatures
11:51 ascii_field but i will explain it when 'somebody asked'
11:52 mircea_popescu aha.
11:52 ascii_field (there are upsides! to 'nobody asked')
11:52 mircea_popescu ofcoursethereare
11:53 mircea_popescu "Although the potential development of quantum computers threatens the security of many common forms of cryptography such as RSA, "
11:53 mircea_popescu wikipedia has knowings to dispense!
11:53 ascii_field moar pediwik
11:56 mircea_popescu !s shoup
11:56 assbot 12 results for 'shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shoup
11:57 mircea_popescu oddly, a dozen mentions, no discussion.
11:57 ascii_field strange
11:57 mircea_popescu let us indulge then. cramer-shoup is an asym key system, just like rsa or ecc.
11:58 ascii_field could've sworn we worked out some of the basics here
11:58 mircea_popescu it however was not only the first but to date the only afaik scheme that's secure against acca. provedly so.
11:58 ascii_field iirc some of the lattice schemes likewise
11:59 mircea_popescu (acca/cca2 = adaptive chosen cyphertext. it's an attack where you sort the cyphertexts in a tree, then send them to be decrypted
11:59 mircea_popescu eventually managing to obtain the key through the interplay of your selection and weakness of the cryptosystem)
11:59 ascii_field is it just me or is the very possibility of acca dependent on retardation in implementation ??
11:59 mircea_popescu well of course.
12:00 ascii_field which is kinda why i never saw this particular attribute of an asymmetric cipher especially interesting
12:00 ascii_field tards can ruin anything, regardless of how mathematically structured
12:00 mircea_popescu nobody did, until the late 90s
12:00 ascii_field when tard stampede, aha
12:00 ascii_field and 'ssl
12:00 ascii_field ' et al
12:01 mircea_popescu first time ssl broke down,
12:01 mircea_popescu a few years after its introduction to "forever fix" the nonsensical problem of "turning a stateless protocol into a stateful connection"
12:01 ascii_field when folks start to attempt decryption of whatever piece of shit, just for the asking - then yes, acca
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12:01 mircea_popescu ascii_field your gossipd node is stuck doing a version of this.
12:01 ascii_field mno
12:01 ascii_field because - elementarily - no answer
12:02 ascii_field enemy has no way of learning anything from the attempted decrypt
12:02 ascii_field if node is build correctly.
12:02 mircea_popescu "no way" is going far.
12:02 ascii_field no way.
12:02 ascii_field which - yes - means that time quanta are fixed
12:02 mircea_popescu suppose you build a node. your node "doesn't answer", but it DOES publish the relayed txn somewhere.
12:02 mircea_popescu herp.
12:02 ascii_field then i'm a tard and please shoot me ?
12:02 ascii_field because this is elementary
12:02 mircea_popescu how the fuck else would you make the node ?
12:03 ascii_field it never relays plaintext anything
12:03 ascii_field and saturates channel
12:03 mircea_popescu no , no look.
12:03 mircea_popescu you operate node A.
12:03 mircea_popescu I operate node M.
12:03 mircea_popescu these nodes talk, as properly.
12:03 mircea_popescu node m connects to A, sends garbage. if A manages to decrypt it, M will see it.
12:03 mircea_popescu if A does not, M will not.
12:04 mircea_popescu A M-m tandem works to attack A.
12:04 ascii_field only if the relayed packet travels plaintext
12:04 ascii_field or otherwise readable to attacker
12:04 mircea_popescu M-m tandem.
12:04 ascii_field otherwise he does not know if a particular packet got decrypted & relayed
12:04 ascii_field because the channel is saturated at all times.
12:04 mircea_popescu M and m work together!
12:05 ascii_field if time invariants are held to, this reduces to key bruteforcing
12:05 mircea_popescu maybe. the matter has to be properly analyzed for all other schemes
12:06 mircea_popescu than c-s.
12:06 ascii_field normally, acca relies on sidechannels (e.g., karatsuba mult. timing)
12:06 mircea_popescu where we know it does reduce to key bruteforcing.
12:06 mircea_popescu not necessarily. the original attack on ssl didn't.
12:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31787 @ 0.00050414 = 16.0251 BTC [+] {3}
12:06 mircea_popescu it relied onf pkcs being a pos.
12:06 ascii_field aha, rsa homomorphism diddle
12:07 ascii_field incidentally, i am not satisfied with any of the proposed replacements for pkcs
12:07 mircea_popescu anyway. c-s is not THAT slow, is it ?
12:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5281 @ 0.00050643 = 2.6745 BTC [+]
12:07 mircea_popescu also has the bonus advantage that there's exactly no risk of "clever" processor intructions being used.
12:07 ascii_field iirc it was message length
12:08 ascii_field ('slow' is a curable thing, generally; 'bloated' is not)
12:08 mircea_popescu i know of no decent c-s implementations anyway.
12:08 mircea_popescu seems like the dream application for lisp, but what do i know.
12:09 mircea_popescu iirc lips had an advantage with cyclic groups ?
12:09 ascii_field well if mircea_popescu can locate another me but one that doesn't work a day job, he can ask for one
12:09 mircea_popescu well, that's what the log is for.
12:09 ascii_field shouldn't take long
12:09 mircea_popescu log(O) :D
12:09 ascii_field aha.
12:11 ascii_field lulzily related, i was recently having a quiet laugh at usg's version of 'p'
12:11 mircea_popescu anyway, none of this is even practical without mass cardanos, because iirc c-s consumes even more entropy than rsa.
12:11 ascii_field it was 'open sores'd' not long ago
12:11 ascii_field quite
12:11 ascii_field do you know where usg's 'p' lives ?
12:12 mircea_popescu which already pleads in its favour.
12:12 mircea_popescu neh ?
12:12 ascii_field it is made by galois inc., they call it 'cryptol'
12:12 ascii_field read, weep.
12:12 ascii_field not even a bad idea, it's this vaguely standardml-like contraption where you try to prove that your crypto alg works as specced
12:13 ascii_field but written by industrial-scale kitten recyclers, aha.
12:13 ascii_field open sores!
12:13 mircea_popescu "Cryptol is a domain-specific language for specifying cryptographic algorithms. A Cryptol implementation of an algorithm resembles its mathematical specification"
12:13 ascii_field https://github.com/GaloisInc/cryptol
12:13 assbot GaloisInc/cryptol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjrWJy )
12:13 mircea_popescu mk.
12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6287 @ 0.00050643 = 3.1839 BTC [+]
12:14 mircea_popescu glhf to them.
12:14 ascii_field sorta lulzy, it was inevitable for them to end up with just this, because they hire academics
12:14 ascii_field who love haskell etc. because it reliably generates pseudomathematicisms for 'publication'
12:14 mircea_popescu ahaha dude i should read wikipedia more often.
12:14 mircea_popescu "If the space of possible messages is larger than the size of , then Cramer–Shoup may be used in a hybrid cryptosystem to improve efficiency on long messages. Note that it is not possible to split the message into several pieces and encrypt each piece independently, because the chosen-ciphertext security property is not preserved in this way."
12:15 ascii_field wwwaat
12:15 mircea_popescu just how retarded does someone havew to be for this ?
12:15 ascii_field what's the edit history like, i wonder
12:15 mircea_popescu i mean haskell, i get it. pseudomathematicisms that are too gnarly to grasp and so pass muster.
12:15 mircea_popescu this ?
12:15 ascii_field hey this is for them peanut galleries
12:15 ascii_field not internal hitler use
12:15 mircea_popescu yeah, right.
12:15 mircea_popescu keep telling yourself that.
12:16 ascii_field pediwikia, i meant
12:16 mircea_popescu me too.
12:16 mircea_popescu "oh, she's only a slut i nthe hood, she washes up nice when going downtown"
12:16 ascii_field i can absolutely believe that 'cryptol' is used in hitler's phone etc
12:16 mircea_popescu reheheally ?
12:16 ascii_field usg has a number of own pediwikia-like creations, iirc
12:16 mircea_popescu made by the same people.
12:17 ascii_field well a pediwikia is made of what it eats
12:17 mircea_popescu to quote the richest standup comedian of all time, "wouldn't it stand to reason that the air in your room comes from the very city that room is in ?"
12:17 ascii_field i have not seen the internal one, save the supposedly 'leaked' pages, cannot say what it is like.
12:17 ascii_field but presumable has correct maths, somewhere...
12:18 mircea_popescu from my admittedly limited experience with socialist states... they all eat the same shit.
12:19 ascii_field i suspect that usg's internal crypto works
12:19 ascii_field just as su rockets worked
12:19 ascii_field because - elementarily - there is no place anywhere else for maths types
12:19 ascii_field the good ones or the mediocre
12:19 ascii_field either
12:19 mircea_popescu what's wrong with angry birds ?
12:19 mircea_popescu socialism is this great system to take hot chicks and smart boys and make them all play with pebbles until the day they die.
12:20 ascii_field what if all you want is 'play with pebbles'
12:20 ascii_field e.g., prove correctness (or otherwise) of cramer-shoup
12:20 jurov ascii_field: so you say there's math-manhattan-project hidden somewhere?
12:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00049861 = 7.3794 BTC [-]
12:20 jurov for decades?
12:21 mircea_popescu ascii_field you misunderstand the "play with pebbles". it's doing stuff like playing angry birds on iphone.
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12:22 jurov re: ring buffer - does not solve the fragmentation the moment you want to reorder txs by fee. i see it as either using slab allocator or periodically dumping whole mempool to disk and reread it
12:22 mircea_popescu jurov you don't reorder them physically. you just keep the ring's index up to date.
12:24 mircea_popescu actually, i suppose i should go into detail as we have no good reason to suspect we actually agree on anything but the words. so :
12:24 jurov and then a medium txfee transaction comes you, to throw one free tx out to make space.. but it won§t fit
12:25 jurov throw out two, end up with wasted mem
12:25 mircea_popescu n bytes are allocated to "ring buffer", from offset k to offset k+n. the convention of reading this is that structures started at k+n-m that are m+p bytes long continue from k+n to k and all the way to k+p
12:25 mircea_popescu you separately keep an index of what structures you have in there (offset, length).
12:26 mircea_popescu whenever you want to add something, you put it in the available hole. if you don't have a hole you kill something until you do.
12:26 mircea_popescu how to do either of these is a problem of optimization outside the scope of this discussion.
12:26 jurov lol
12:26 mircea_popescu but a firm guarantee can be offered that for as long as you allocate structs smaller than n, you wioll be able to fit them.
12:27 mircea_popescu which is the problem we are trying to solve.
12:27 jurov n is how much? 200kB
12:27 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:27 mircea_popescu n is 500mb
12:27 jurov you want 500M transactions?
12:27 mircea_popescu or w/e memory space one wants to allocatge to the "mempool"
12:28 ascii_field mircea_popescu just described traditional malloc
12:29 ascii_field or rather, fixed heap size variant thereof
12:29 mircea_popescu well yes.
12:29 mircea_popescu fixed size malloc is what it is neh ?
12:29 ascii_field which happens to be what i'm implementing right at this very moment
12:29 ascii_field whole reason i'm at the console to begin with...
12:29 mircea_popescu heh. aite.
12:30 jurov ascii_field: what do you think about slab allocator? i know it adds a layer of complication, but may be worth it
12:31 mircea_popescu anyway, re the <jurov> lol part : there's a very obvious optimization where you go a) i want to fit this struct ; b) is there space ? if yes fit it if no c) kill the lowest per-byte value struct in there go back to a
12:32 mircea_popescu there's a lot of work can be done to minimize wastage in this, but the fundamental problem is solved.
12:32 ascii_field aha this was described in agonizing detail in the original mempool thread
12:32 mircea_popescu was it ?
12:32 mircea_popescu i thought we never actually detailed the matter.
12:32 mircea_popescu anyway.
12:33 jurov also, unless whole thing is rewritten, itx consists of 2 vectors (inputs, outputs) with several objects and you want to remove all or none
12:33 mircea_popescu it's still a chunk of bytes.
12:33 jurov several chunks
12:33 mircea_popescu not as far as this mechanism is concerned.
12:34 ascii_field the way the existing turd stores tx is untenable
12:34 ascii_field (interdependent shitweb of links to 'inputs' and 'outputs')
12:34 mircea_popescu and for that matter haphazard.
12:36 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333095 << but recently mircea_popescu opened my eyes and i learned that my desire to spend life investigating crypto and proving mathematical facts is entirely same as wanting to play 'birds' ?
12:36 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 17:21:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field you misunderstand the "play with pebbles". it's doing stuff like playing angry birds on iphone.
12:36 ascii_field so now i have a bit moar sympathy for the pebble folk
12:36 ascii_field i live in the -ev diesel tank with'em
12:36 ascii_field the 20x20x20 metre one from mircea_popescu's essay
12:37 mircea_popescu ascii_field quote ?
12:38 ascii_field the one with 'what makes you sorry lot think you get seats in heaven? there's a 20 metre cube fermentation tank...' or sumthinglikethat
12:39 mircea_popescu anyway, the "waste" soviets experience is of course to be sympathized with. controlling here is a quote from an older article, http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/#footnote_1_60271
12:39 assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjuF5U )
12:39 mircea_popescu ascii_field quote as to "opened my eyes", i know where the concrete hole is from
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13396 @ 0.00050105 = 6.7121 BTC [+] {2}
12:49 mircea_popescu this thing, incidentally, is where we would immensely benefit from actually having silicon.
12:49 mircea_popescu the whole txn memory mapping could be a soac thing, and you just plug memory sticks into it which each becomes a ring.
12:50 * ascii_field worked this out in some detail, if anybody 'ever asks'
12:50 mircea_popescu the motherboard has some memory on-board for the indexing and internal kitchening, and otherwise you maximize the strengths of ddr while escaping all drawbacks
12:50 ascii_field aha it runs in 'bursts'
12:51 ascii_field (one rung of the ring ought to be the size of the r/w burst for the dram)
12:51 mircea_popescu soac = soc = system on a chip
12:51 mircea_popescu ascii_field precisely.
12:51 * ascii_field has been at this for quite some time.
12:52 mircea_popescu if only we had a cardano ready to ship so this discussion could double as marketing for the s.nsa next product.
12:52 mircea_popescu as it is, it's free marketing for "21co"'s next potato.
12:52 ascii_field l0l
12:52 mircea_popescu not even funny.
12:52 ascii_field did anyone buy first potato ?
12:52 ascii_field i confess i was not tracking it
12:52 mircea_popescu doesn't matter. did anyone buy's 21co's PREVIOUS potato, when it was called neobee or w/e the shit it was called ?
12:53 mircea_popescu the next one will be called something else, and so on.
12:53 ascii_field it was same gang ?
12:53 mircea_popescu yes. the gang of "out of wot idiots".
12:53 ascii_field ah, in that sense yes
12:54 mircea_popescu don't tell me if we were in 1715 you'd have been the sort that actually distinguished the slaves.
12:54 ascii_field can't say i would
12:56 mircea_popescu ascii_field just think of this beautiful illustration of doing > thinking. just like you had your thoughts figured out by someone else, so will WE have these figured out by someone else. endlessly.
12:57 ascii_field if my thoughts were never figured out by independent other folks, i would have to conclude that i have finally gone mad
12:57 mircea_popescu but if your thoughts are figured out before you sell the thing, you will forever be looking for a job.
12:58 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:59 mircea_popescu i suppose s.nsa should actually hire more engineers ? whadda ya think ?
13:00 ascii_field well we currently have one engineer who works infamously slowly between death marches of day job. mircea_popescu thinks that two or more would work faster ?
13:00 ascii_field or what
13:01 * mircea_popescu knows that he's supposed to be doing management for the thing and has no product whatsoever to show the investors THREE years later! this is the 3rd xmas.
13:01 mircea_popescu i gotta do something, lest i get fired.
13:02 ascii_field undercapitalized cat is undercapitalized ? afaik s.nsa can't afford even 1/3rd of a whole engineer
13:02 mircea_popescu anyway, in the even keeled view of the matter, a person can only be participating in one death march at a time. since you're working with some other company, and it doesn't seem to be wanting to list itself, we need an engineer actually working for s.nsa ?
13:02 ascii_field well i won't be working with $othercompany for much longer...
13:02 mircea_popescu s.nsa can afford an infitnity of engineers.
13:03 mircea_popescu unlike any other concern, s.nsa pays everyone ~100% of what theyr work is worth
13:03 mircea_popescu as judged by the open market.
13:03 mircea_popescu consequently, it could hire 10 million, today.
13:03 ascii_field in the martian sense of 'hire' aha
13:04 mircea_popescu !s m s.nsa
13:04 assbot 21 results for 'm s.nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=m+s.nsa
13:04 mircea_popescu uh
13:04 mircea_popescu !t m s.nsa
13:04 assbot [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00005 / 0.0000512 / 0.000055 (10000 shares, 0.51 BTC), 30D: 0.00005 / 0.0000512 / 0.000055 (10000 shares, 0.51 BTC)
13:05 mircea_popescu what was the par, 10000 iirc ?
13:05 mircea_popescu myeah, trading at ~50% discount.
13:07 mircea_popescu ;;calc 472.76008500 / 4737075
13:07 gribble 9.98e-05
13:08 mircea_popescu company with 9980 satoshi/share in capital on the books nevertheless trading at 5500. now that's one hell of a performance.
13:08 ascii_field this is not hard, just use engineer that works day job... but this has flip side, yes
13:09 mircea_popescu apparently the "lose half your money" thing is still with the btc public huh.
13:10 mircea_popescu anyway, to reassure teh investors : s.nsa actually does have 456.01462284 in cash, should the company be wound down today it would distribute ~9626 satoshi per share to investors.
13:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4196 @ 0.00049861 = 2.0922 BTC [-]
13:12 ascii_field ;;ticker
13:12 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 354.02, Best ask: 355.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 353.99, 24 hour volume: 21705.98693894, 24 hour low: 351.0, 24 hour high: 363.29, 24 hour vwap: None
13:15 ascii_field mircea_popescu: what was 'the lose half your money thing' ?
13:16 ascii_field i think this was before my time ?
13:16 mircea_popescu not really, started by glbse, maintained by every single non-mpex "bitcoin business" to date.
13:16 mircea_popescu going on five years by now.
13:16 ascii_field i thought that was 'all your money;
13:16 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/134654389322.png
13:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HvnSol )
13:17 ascii_field Ah
13:17 mircea_popescu no, that was before nefario, theymos, goat & the rest of the friends split.
13:17 mircea_popescu that was back when it "worked"
13:21 ascii_field from conversation with pet:
13:22 ascii_field pet: 'aintcha glad you didn't take preorders'
13:22 ascii_field me: 'preorders are of the heathens'
13:22 ascii_field pet: 'but imagine if you had'
13:22 mircea_popescu aha.
13:23 ascii_field me: 'i'd be looking for a kaisyaku for the seppuku'
13:24 mircea_popescu see, had you stolen and sold some soviet tanks for scrap in 2009 you could have moved to ba in 2013 and been looking for an engineer to join your workshop today.
13:24 ascii_field l0l if i even knew how to steal a broken cent properly
13:25 mircea_popescu lol
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13:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143203 << lettuce re-introduce this into the record. One Robert J. Hansen goes to california to help some derp make drm for the palm pilot ; gets scammed and ass raped. while this is exactly what he deserves, the story of his suffering is nevertheless instructive.
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13:44 assbot Logged on 22-05-2015 04:03:08; mircea_popescu: http://sixdemonbag.org/yomu.html << the sad story about how some schmuck got scammed by the schmuck he was doing drm for.
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15:26 ben_vulpes http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/yoga-class-is-suspended-after-students-deem-it-culturally-inappropriate/106911
15:26 assbot Yoga Class Is Suspended After Students Deem It Culturally Inappropriate – The Ticker - Blogs - The Chronicle of Higher Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLcrru )
15:29 phf so gossip should be able to accept variable size packets, a naive version is to have our own header, {headerbit,body size} followed by body. in case of gpg backend we feed body to gpgme, let it figure things out. a better option is to have a (rudimentary?) parser for opengpg packets, and only accept a fixed subset of packet sequences, or specifically what you get when you encrypt a message with gpg. {pubkey enc packet}{encrypted data
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15:29 phf packet}{compressed packet}{literal data packet}
15:34 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3359
15:34 assbot JL: The Last Book Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4YeIm )
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0005023 = 2.6622 BTC [-]
15:37 phf i'm not sure what's to be done about DoS attacks though. body size caps? we have a handful of protections allowed by the carrier (only accepting messages from certain ips, etc), but ultimately can get a spoofed 4gb bundle and will not know that the data is spoofed until have the whole thing, and try and verify/decrypt it
15:39 ben_vulpes i was under the impression that a first gossip packet was a signed nonce so that the implementation could drop all subsequent packets at its convenience.
15:42 phf ben_vulpes: sure, so you're going to cap the size of ciphertext of what you expect to be nonce, which is fine, but after that you rely on state outside of gossipd (tcp packet from ip such and such) to drop all subsequent
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15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00049861 = 4.6575 BTC [-]
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00049466 = 10.8825 BTC [-]
15:48 ben_vulpes phf: shows you what i know
15:52 jurov if the nonce is bad, it's ok to just ignore all packets from the address(with timeout)
15:53 jurov until there's DoS that spoofs the address, i know.. but that bar is much higher
15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00049466 = 6.7768 BTC [-]
15:59 ben_vulpes jurov: phf's point though is that then you're relying on state /outside/ of gossipd to run gossipd. if i understand correctly.
16:00 jurov well, the fact that packets have source and destination address is not avoidable
16:02 jurov my proposition is that if packets signed by key in WoT come from an address, it's unlikely DoS will come from there too.
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16:03 mod6 good scrollback today
16:04 ben_vulpes won't you end up in a situation a la bitcoin where the ip is encoded into the message itself?
16:04 mod6 i need to quit shitshoveling and just dive down these manholes everyday instaed.
16:05 danielpbarron from the yoga cancelled thing >> Ms. Scharf offered to rebrand the class as "mindful stretching," but student leaders did not think that was enough.
16:05 mod6 we've got a lot of work in front of us for '16.
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16:09 jurov ben_vulpes: why? and bitcoin sends 0.0.0.0 or localhost as "own address" anyway
16:13 mod6 so I'd like to get v054 done by the end of the year.
16:13 mod6 then get these tasks written up and broken down if possible as a road map for '16.
16:14 mod6 maybe we can take these things, quarter at a time.
16:15 mod6 depends on what makes sense. i'll need all the help I can get. either we put in the work that needs doing and you have a republic, or you don't.
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16:18 jurov well, if you want the fixed mempool in 054, gotta start now. it's not possible without rewrite.
16:18 mod6 I'm thinking that we cap further changes on v054.
16:19 mod6 Perhaps these additional major changes will go in one release at a time. And, we've been here before, but I'd like to keep the changes per release down to something manageable.
16:20 mod6 I'll try my best to steer us there.
16:24 mod6 Not a lot really remains left for v054. I'm in the process of getting all of the 3rd party deps, listed and then will sign and find a place for them on the website. Then I need to update my build script so it pulls and verifies all of that stuff from our own host. Beyond that, I just need to publish the v054-RELEASE patch I've been sitting on. Then Mr. Vulpes & I will need to sign all the vpatches and post 'em to the mailing list.
16:24 mod6 This is a clean break point to start working on the rest of these large pieces such as the mempool.
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16:28 jurov good
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6832 @ 0.00049973 = 3.4142 BTC [+] {2}
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16:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5241 @ 0.00050643 = 2.6542 BTC [+]
16:47 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
16:48 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333229 << for gossipd, using stock gpg, much less an abomination (time the invocations some time..!) like gpgme, is a monumentally bad idea
16:48 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 20:29:36; phf: so gossip should be able to accept variable size packets, a naive version is to have our own header, {headerbit,body size} followed by body. in case of gpg backend we feed body to gpgme, let it figure things out. a better option is to have a (rudimentary?) parser for opengpg packets, and only accept a fixed subset of packet sequences, or specifically what you get when you encrypt a message with gpg. {pubkey enc
16:49 ascii_field and imho it is absolutely impermissible to have any plaintext invariant fields
16:49 ascii_field gotta know the pubkey of your recipient, from first packet up
16:49 ascii_field and he must know yours.
16:49 ascii_field and the conversation, from first packet onwards, must be indistinguishable from rng garbage to the enemy.
16:50 ascii_field every byte of it.
16:50 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333236 << if you use tcp or any other protocol where an enemy gets to hog so much as a byte of ram JUST FOR SHOWING UP, you're ddosable
16:50 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 20:42:43; phf: ben_vulpes: sure, so you're going to cap the size of ciphertext of what you expect to be nonce, which is fine, but after that you rely on state outside of gossipd (tcp packet from ip such and such) to drop all subsequent
16:50 ascii_field and enemy can do useful traffic analysis on top of that.
16:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333245 << this is deeply wrong. enemy can make ANY PACKET issue forth from just about anywhere in the backbonez
16:51 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:02:41; jurov: my proposition is that if packets signed by key in WoT come from an address, it's unlikely DoS will come from there too.
16:51 ascii_field having any supposed source or destination.
16:52 ascii_field at no point must a gossip packet's apparent source ip be treated as meaningful.
16:52 jurov well, then just better keel up and die
16:52 ascii_field why?
16:52 ascii_field we can readily communicate over a hostile net, using scheme described earlier
16:52 ascii_field and, if it comes to this, over some other net.
16:53 jurov if $enemy reacts to packets without recognizable structure by ddosing
16:53 ascii_field jurov: then we stego on a 'recognizable' structure
16:53 ascii_field this is not hard.
16:53 ascii_field crapware artists do it every day.
16:53 ascii_field (to get past 'ids' idiocy)
16:54 ascii_field it is quite simple to ignore the apparent originating ip because we always know where a valid packet came from - based on which pubkey on your end is able to validate the sig.
16:55 ascii_field and you know the packet is 'for you' because you were able to decrypt it with your privkey.
16:55 ascii_field so there is never any possible confusion about source or destination.
16:55 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> jurov: then we stego on a 'recognizable' structure << 1024 nudes encoding!
16:55 ascii_field BingoBoingo: gotta stay under the mtu. but otherwise yes.
16:59 ascii_field '1. Books ghost written for a Fox news Op-ed figure, 2. Jingoistic tomes on the defeat of the evil Nazi empire by “the greatest generation” of Americans, revealing as yet unfathomed Nazi evils and under-appreciated American heroics. [WWII is no longer, apparently recognized as having had a Russian or Japanese component, and the Third Reich is represented as an engine of global extermination that was
16:59 ascii_field not going to rest until every non-German human had been wiped from the face of the Earth.] The leftist rewriting of this conflict seems as kooky as the bizarre neo-Nazi revisions I read in my youth, but is more troubling, because, where the right wing kooks who wanted to paint humanity’s largest killing with a bizarrely fantastical brush of Germanic innocence were rightly ignored, the lefties are finding thei
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16:59 ascii_field r way onto the mainstream book list. 3. Neo-conservative books promoting the U.S. as the world’s SWAT team.' << aha
16:59 ascii_field i have personally met folks who grew up on this 'history'
17:11 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333221 << were you ever able to find the 'US v. Trafford' case mentioned in the tale ?
17:11 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 18:44:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143203 << lettuce re-introduce this into the record. One Robert J. Hansen goes to california to help some derp make drm for the palm pilot ; gets scammed and ass raped. while this is exactly what he deserves, the story of his suffering is nevertheless instructive.
17:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:23 jurov http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/11/25/passports-required-for-domestic-travel-in-2016-but-irs-can-revoke-passports-for-taxes/
17:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMEtH8 )
17:23 jurov !up ascii_field
17:25 trinque Some states initially refused to comply, fearing that the feds would make a national database of citizens. << lulzy
17:27 ascii_field !s tax passports
17:27 assbot 3 results for 'tax passports' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tax+passports
17:28 ascii_field old nyooz ?
17:30 jurov not for domestic travel afaik
17:30 ascii_field anyway soviet sop
17:30 ascii_field mega-unsurprise
17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5259 @ 0.00050695 = 2.6661 BTC [+]
17:41 * ben_vulpes doesn't see the point on domestic travel
17:41 ben_vulpes not until they install checkpoints anyways, and that'll cost far more than they really can spend.
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17:42 ben_vulpes or they'll do it anyways and print to cover the loss.
17:42 ben_vulpes either way, good show chaps
17:42 BingoBoingo jurov: Care to qntra a piece or are your shiva hands full too?
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3795 @ 0.00049935 = 1.895 BTC [-]
17:43 jurov about the passports?
17:43 jurov rather full, yes
17:44 BingoBoingo Ah, yes about the passports. If your hands are full no worries.
17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00049935 = 3.5204 BTC [-]
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18:09 mircea_popescu ascii_field that was before the courts were usefully digitized. the only thing in the online docket matching is http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2er0oxs6v/california-northern-district-court/usa-v-trafford/
18:09 mircea_popescu but instead here, http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/migtpmjv/california-northern-district-court/usa-v-su/ have a lol at chinese woman trying to get her fambly across.
18:09 assbot USA v. Su :: California Northern District Court :: Case No. 4:11-cr-00288-JST ... ( http://bit.ly/21lYW9o )
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18:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00049466 = 2.869 BTC [-]
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19:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333245 << this then doubles as both a dos avenue (your upstream router can say packets come from any ips it wishes to say they came from) and a dos avenue (the wot member in question will no longer be able to connect now)
19:17 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:02:41; jurov: my proposition is that if packets signed by key in WoT come from an address, it's unlikely DoS will come from there too.
19:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333250 << that's the punishment for the competent. more work.
19:18 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:05:25; mod6: we've got a lot of work in front of us for '16.
19:21 deedbot- [Trilema] Marcha de las Dumbas - http://trilema.com/2015/marcha-de-las-dumbas/
19:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333255 << yeah, probably a good way to start 2016, write it all down think it all through.
19:28 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:15:00; mod6: depends on what makes sense. i'll need all the help I can get. either we put in the work that needs doing and you have a republic, or you don't.
19:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333261 << word.
19:33 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:24:54; mod6: This is a clean break point to start working on the rest of these large pieces such as the mempool.
19:40 adlai ;;isup mpex.co
19:40 gribble mpex.co is down
19:40 adlai (seems to be just the one)
19:40 adlai ah no, .biz too
19:54 felipelalli BingoBoingo, here is it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=x7amMjS7
19:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1On0r1I )
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20:21 deedbot- [Qntra] Arris Cable Modems Weak - http://qntra.net/2015/11/arris-cable-modems-weak/
20:24 shinohai http://www.pennlive.com/news/2015/11/prisoner_cant_sue_usa_today_fo.html <<< "ruined his illegal jailhouse gambling op"
20:24 assbot Prisoner can't sue USA Today for not printing gambling odds, Pa. court says | PennLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xog2DW )
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20:40 mircea_popescu http://mpex.ws/
20:40 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XogQZz )
20:41 felipelalli thank you for the review and publishing BingoBoingo!! :)
20:42 adlai http://mpex.co
20:42 adlai lazy man's ;;isup
20:44 mircea_popescu looks like some dns issue.
20:48 adlai ``history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes''
20:55 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
20:55 gribble Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 237.631854, vol: 5327.93965189 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 234.8582183, vol: 5634.52584 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 242.8345, vol: 3.58696556 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 240.628191, vol: 58990.36390000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 238.0, vol: 0.0528545 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 240.3027, vol: 38.75876479 | Volume-weighted last average: 239.935569446
20:55 BingoBoingo OMG More Familiar numbers!
20:57 BingoBoingo It's like a time warp to September!
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21:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333296 << what's so "concerning" about this ? the neonazi retcons were driven by people who didn't own the printing presses. the usg retcon is driven by the usg, just like the soviet retcon was driven by the soviets.
21:17 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 21:59:28; ascii_field: not going to rest until every non-German human had been wiped from the face of the Earth.] The leftist rewriting of this conflict seems as kooky as the bizarre neo-Nazi revisions I read in my youth, but is more troubling, because, where the right wing kooks who wanted to paint humanity’s largest killing with a bizarrely fantastical brush of Germanic innocence were rightly ignored, the lefties are find
21:17 mircea_popescu i seem to remember that according to the pravda, russia won ww2 all by itself also
21:17 mircea_popescu notwithstanding that the conflict in europe was the smaller half of the conflict.
21:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1333314 << they can spent everyone's time, because that's what everyone there wants to do with their time anyway.
21:18 assbot Logged on 28-11-2015 22:41:59; ben_vulpes: not until they install checkpoints anyways, and that'll cost far more than they really can spend.
21:19 mircea_popescu sit around in govt checkout booth, then go for a slutwalk and mcdonalds takeout.
21:27 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/533c977fddf73c21bd0567261c859082/tumblr_mhr16f0jAD1rk5elko1_1280.gif
21:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XzKndA )
21:30 punkman there's this whole genre of checkpoint videos on youtube, because it's not enough to go through the gate, gotta spend an hour talking to dumbass guards and make videos of it.
21:30 mircea_popescu i lived in a time when travel took more than "boarding"
21:30 mircea_popescu if they're going to make show you up x hours early because security theatre, might as well spend them wasting their time.
21:31 mircea_popescu you're there anyway.
21:31 mircea_popescu heck, i lived in a time when people smoked on planes, to no detriment.
21:32 adlai these days they e-smoke, although that'll get banned soon enough too
21:33 punkman I've yet to see anyone blow vapour clouds in airplane
21:35 punkman mircea_popescu: you're there anyway. << yeah but they'd normally just pass through, unless stuck in traffic, in which case nowhere near the guards to interact with
21:36 * adlai has only heard about it secondhand as a complaint, so b&hammers are likely on their way already
21:45 mircea_popescu punkman pass on through to where, the tarmac ?
21:45 punkman these are car checkpoints, like at the border, but not at the border
21:45 mircea_popescu ie, to get into the plane.
21:46 mircea_popescu who the fuck waits to get off the plane.
21:47 punkman I've seen some pretty big queues after disembarking airplane
21:48 mircea_popescu nuts.
21:49 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUHfyPylVL8 the archetypal checkpoint video
21:49 assbot Resisting Tyranny in CheckPoint City, USA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjPTlB )
21:54 punkman jurov, seems like coinbr can't fetch market data
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