#trilema | 2015-11-23

Logged on 22-11-2015 23:21:54; asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised they didn't fill the thing with glue and be done with it

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00:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00050621 = 24.4499 BTC [-]

00:41

!up pathog

00:44

meanwhile in japan, http://36.media.tumblr.com/a3e7a65b085916892bbee2e3458b3689/tumblr_mfn09hhjR81ql6862o1_1280.jpg

00:44

... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Ly2y )

00:44

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&share=1

good thing they pixelated.

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01:02

punkman

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01:02

Mick Stute's answer to What is a coder's worst nightmare? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nnwf )

01:04

who's that ?

01:04

(i'm not asking emptily. i know he's nobody, because i don't know who the fuck he is. i googled, and the only hit is a 2014 article in which forbes is pushing the same name on the same topic. so really, worse than nobody. so then ?)

01:05

could be "Mr. Michael Stute Co-founded Global DataGuard, Inc., in 2000 and serves as its Chief Technology Officer. Mr. Stute has over 13 years of experience in IT", in which case...

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16848 @ 0.00050537 = 8.5145 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63524 @ 0.00050513 = 32.0879 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176150 @ 0.00050599 = 89.1301 BTC [+] {5}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6769 @ 0.00050343 = 3.4077 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62831 @ 0.00050319 = 31.6159 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051121 = 9.0484 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00051101 = 13.5929 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00051061 = 15.7268 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30853 @ 0.00050521 = 15.5872 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73800 @ 0.00050269 = 37.0985 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42991 @ 0.00050533 = 21.7246 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5330 @ 0.00050239 = 2.6777 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00051041 = 3.5473 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22417 @ 0.0005103 = 11.4394 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00051013 = 32.6483 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67072 @ 0.00051146 = 34.3046 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00051485 = 47.7266 BTC [+] {2}

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08:23

o look at that, macri won.

08:23

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mircea_popescu is looking forward to hearing just how badly mismanaged the country was and just how much hay mas futuro is really left in the vaults.

08:24

the independent currency jumped 10% or so.

08:24

and, of course, dollar confiscation is coming. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1847654-el-banco-central-busca-apropiarse-de-los-dolares-que-mantienen-los-bancos

08:24

El Banco Central busca apropiarse de los dólares que mantienen los bancos - 21.11.2015 - LA NACION ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnKztY )

08:25

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1847525-por-la-dolarizacion-electoral-salieron-us-8000-millones-de-las-reservas

08:25

Por la dolarización electoral, salieron US$ 8000 millones de las reservas - 21.11.2015 - LA NACION ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnKypT )

08:25

gifts to the poor cost ~8bn, still lost.

08:25

if only they could spend 10 trn like president bahamas, they might've won.

08:26

"De esta manera, liquidó US$ 560 en la semana y lleva vendidos US$ 1750 millones en lo que va del mes. Así, el proceso electoral presidencial, tomando el lapso que va desde las dos semanas previas a las PASO hasta ayer y el propósito de mantener el status quo cambiario (aunque no sea sustentable), insumió US$ 8015 millones de las reservas."

08:27

mthreat ^ there, have a lolz.

08:27

"Se trata de una suma equivalente a un tercio de las reservas brutas que declara el ente monetario que conduce Alejandro Vanoli o al total de lo neto propio que tenía (los analistas coinciden en que ahora sólo quedan dólares de los ahorristas y la porción invertida en oro)."

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.0005079 = 30.3978 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75150 @ 0.00050243 = 37.7576 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43799 @ 0.00050222 = 21.9967 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32491 @ 0.00050525 = 16.4161 BTC [+] {2}

10:14

deedbot-

[Trilema] The Rainmaker - http://trilema.com/2015/the-rainmaker/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00050162 = 20.8172 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15525 @ 0.00050098 = 7.7777 BTC [-] {2}

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funkenstein_

good afternoon subhuman anatifers

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Sorry, you seems to be looking for #labcoin-ants

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!s http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/23/3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales/

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00050098 = 3.557 BTC [-] {2}

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13:23

shinohai

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3D printing files for guns are illegal in an Australian state ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ibnsyd )

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0 results for 'http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/23/3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engadget.com%2F2015%2F11%2F23%2F3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales%2F

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00050068 = 26.7864 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67000 @ 0.00050031 = 33.5208 BTC [-] {5}

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funkenstein_

.diff

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34743 @ 0.00050501 = 17.5456 BTC [+] {2}

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deedbot-

[Qntra] "World Terror Day" Does Not Happen as "Anonymous" Predicts, Mass Shooting Occurs Anyways - http://qntra.net/2015/11/world-terror-day-does-not-happen-as-anonymous-predicts-mass-shooting-occurs-anyways/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60013 @ 0.00050583 = 30.3564 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29798 @ 0.0005022 = 14.9646 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00050819 = 5.2852 BTC [+] {4}

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https://i.imgur.com/OuE60oQ.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1OojoiR )

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lmao

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00051073 = 17.2627 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00051073 = 26.6601 BTC [+] {2}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2015#1330273 << holy shit, straight rip of ken thompson ?!

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Logged on 23-11-2015 06:02:14; punkman: https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&share=1

15:08

no no it's not kant it's "radical honesty".

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00049961 = 38.495 BTC [-] {4}

15:15

confabulation is one thing, but the sort of cheap 'retell plot of famous film as own life' is unworthy even of an alcoholic hobo pseudo-vietnam-veteran

15:15

how do these 'people' masquerade as people, at any point...?

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http://xkcd.com/1607 << artist prolly did not think that this was about pgp. but it ought to be.

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xkcd: Supreme Court ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVTrJ8 )

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well, by limiting themselves of an audience of similar quality.

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but as that only goes so far, also by insisting that "this is everything" and that "being told off is mean"

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility << i introduce this into the record as the definitive reason ustarda can't write.

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Informed Ability - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4KiJ7 )

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"What often deters writers from going through with the above plan is the fact that, well, Most Writers Are Writers. They're writing a character who's supposed to be a musician, but they don't know the particulars of meters or chords. They have a character who is a military expert, but they don't know how long an infantry division can fight until it needs to be resupplied. They have a character who's a genius, but they

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haven't a clue what kind of problem only a genius would be able to work through, or how. If they actually attempt to show the ability in action they take a very real risk of the portrayal falling completely flat.

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On occasion, the ability cannot adequately be portrayed by the medium used for the work. For example, a comic book cannot show how good a character's singing voice is, and a radio show would, at best, be forced to merely describe a character's great paintings.

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One choice the writer has is to go ahead and show the supposed "ability". But if they don't do the research, this leads to such laughable characters as the scientist who spouts Hollywood Science, the tactician who comes up with the sort of tactics a five-year-old would think of and the "genius" who is only a genius because they're the only one coming up with any plan at all, and everyone else is downright stupid. Lack

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of convincing detail means the reader does not believe, whether it is fixing an engine or presenting the actual philosophy of a character purported to be wise, and can make the readers long for the informed ability."

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no, dumbass, "writers aren't writers". i don't give a shit "you just want to".

15:27

this is why it's fucking culture : so you either know, quite well and exactly, what kind of problem a genius would approach and how, or YOU MAY NOT USE THE FUCKING WORD IN YOUR STUPID PILE OF DRIVEL.

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writersarewriters my fucking foot.

15:29

this is the direct equivalent of the heckled comedian going "hey, i work here! how would you like it if i came to your workplace and hecked you!"

15:29

motherfucking hack, go sell shoes.

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at one point, long ago, folks who wrote fiction (at least the better sort of sf) were people who ~did things~

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and by now "they just want to"

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fucktard doesn't know "the particulars" nevertheless thinks he can write up a musician

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e.g., paul linebarger, pen named 'cordwainer smith' - his day job was honchoing u.s. psychological warfare school in ww2.

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then all their prose is equally and uniformly bland and stupid and hey, they give each other prizes.

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asciilifeform plenty of examples, from clarke to what have you

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aha

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heinlein - sailor.

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even hemingway tried to fraud his way into manhood

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(iirc submariner)

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weren't h a grunt in ww1 ?

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where was the fraud? he was a 'rear rat' ?

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he made up some story about how he was wounded in the war

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rather reminescent of gop pres candidates

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ahahahaha

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that.

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like the later mr ray-gun

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or who

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meanwhile he sat around hotel florida or whatevers.

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i always found it interesting how come personalities are natural confabulators - in the sense that even if the fella has something legitimate to brag about, he will still insist on adding flourishes and 'shit bolted on the side'

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*how some personalities

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it all depends what it's for. i add shit to every joke as a matter of course.

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well sure

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his problem is more of an inferiority complex, seems to me, but whatchagonna do

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most folks solve this 'problem' (if you will) simply by 'i dun wanna talk about the war'

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(when i was a kid there was this other kid that got REALLY angry whenever i told a joke. "ITS NOT LIKE THAT".

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even brought a joke booklet to school once to prove it!)

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l0l!!

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asciilifeform no see, it's not that the war started, he should have fought but he hightailed it, so he covers up for it. it's that he's a murican not an ottoman so he figures he CANT be man enough. so to assuage his own neuroticism (why the fuck couldn't he be ?! what, manhood now comes with formal tags on it ?) he makes up a supportive story in a land far away.

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it's a sort of a teddy if you want.

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sad

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16:23

asciilifeform: you were right re gossip prototype in common lisp. it was a needless distraction, i spent a long time getting lisp gpgme bindings working, and the end result was still pos. i'll just send the patches to gnupg ml, and maybe they'll update upstream, but that's not gotten me anywhere closer. i learned that cffi is mostly a mess. (someone worked some improvements on cffi recently, which resulted in cffi documentation being

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~half~ out of sync with the actual code, but also in breaking all legacy approaches without better alternatives to replace them with)

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it seems like people use cffi as a trivial-ffi compatability layer, which mostly just gives you least common denominator ffi (it was a pain to work with after cmucl's native alien facilities)

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but yeah i switched back to writing cweb, and made progress on it, but the amount of careful thinking that's required with c, lisp prototype would not have bought me anything.

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phf: it only makes sense to do gossipd in cl if you reimplement the crypto

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ffi is a thing of the heathens.

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<asciilifeform> weren't h a grunt in ww1 ? << Ambulance driver?

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ffi left me so unsure of the state of the system, i couldn't make myself trust the result. it's like 4 abstraction layers, all leaking.

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mega-unsurprise.

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well, you know how smart people learn from others' mistakes, idiots from their own?

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l0l all good so long as learned.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00050002 = 28.5511 BTC [+] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19632 @ 0.0004996 = 9.8081 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00049944 = 23.7983 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050391 = 11.3884 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050391 = 12.0938 BTC [+] {2}

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shinohai

I hope BingoBoingo does a Qntra take on Achmed the clock boy's parents filing civil suit for a cool 15 mil

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No u

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l0l!

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i thought he got a bag of $maxint and cookies directly from obamitler

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He did, but his family has to bankrupt the Evil School

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shinohai

Heres a novel idea: Get over yurselves, move back to Qatar like you were planning on, and NEVER LOOK BACK!

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who? us?

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i can't move to a country where grindr is illegal

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jurov: thread was about one 'clock boy'

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yes, jk

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l0lz

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48726 @ 0.00050273 = 24.496 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120350 @ 0.00050527 = 60.8092 BTC [+] {6}

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!up MrChrisJ

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MrChrisJ

hi

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MrChrisJ

I was told about this place on Twitter

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MrChrisJ

thought I would check it out

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O hai, by Hoo

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!up pathog

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00051124 = 17.919 BTC [+] {2}

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ben_vulpes

jurov: grindr's really that central to the pickup scene /there/?

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everywhere

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jurov: pet asks, 'has it replaced real-life 'bar pickup' scene ?'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164206 @ 0.00051351 = 84.3214 BTC [+] {7}

20:15

i guess so, it's much more convenient

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ppl who used to go to bars and saunas, mostly still do. it's a boon to everyone else

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neato

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.0005073 = 33.8876 BTC [-] {2}

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;;bc,stats

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gribble

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137000 @ 0.00050633 = 69.3672 BTC [-] {4}

20:45

so my compiled version of TEST2 (running on a m3.medium instance) died again, finally. i saw it die twice within about 15 days of eachother in october. so this time I ran nmon the entire time.

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finally died, was started on the 1st of november. left me with a 73Mb nmon file.

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i run mine intermittently, still feeding from 0.10, did not die yet. but it complains about nonstandard tx all the time

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149150 @ 0.00050888 = 75.8995 BTC [+] {2}

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i did check as recently as yesterday and it was fully sync'd.

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each time it's crashed, there hasn't been anything too telling in the logs. i'll post my log, and the charts along with the raw nmon metrics collection.

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core files?

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no cores

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[1]+ Killed LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -port=8333 -myip=1.2.3.4 -addnode=5.6.7.8

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message spit out into terminal ^

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if you set big enough size with ulimit, it should drop a core automatically

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it's hepfully set to 0 by most distros

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src # ulimit

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unlimited

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noo, ulimit -a

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http://dpaste.com/3ENJ0E2.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1leT5lb )

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> core file size (blocks, -c) 0

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ohmahgerd the debug.log is 7.6 gb

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ahem

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7.8G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log

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wd :)

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maybe i'll just post like the last 10`000 lines or something.

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mod6: anything in dmesg ?

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if it segfaulted it will be there.

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so far this looks like an ordinary oomkill.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107950 @ 0.00050996 = 55.0502 BTC [+] {2}

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http://dpaste.com/1K1J8J1.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1YqEtOj )

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asciilifeform: ^ yeah, bingo.

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the charts are kinda interesting -- they start from a fully sync'd node so there isn't any full-sync to witness, only the draw down of mem until oom.

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posting now...

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'[9203047.695877] Out of memory: Kill process 21835 (bitcoind) score 936 or sacrifice child' << aha.

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s0lv3d

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76601 @ 0.00050996 = 39.0634 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57847 @ 0.00050628 = 29.2868 BTC [-] {2}

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ok last 10k of debug.log / nmon raw collection / charts can be found here (if interested): http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v054-TEST2_OOM-20151123

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Index of /misc/v054-TEST2_OOM-20151123 ... ( http://bit.ly/1YqFCp5 )

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http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v054-TEST2_OOM-20151123/nmon-charts_20151101-20151123/Paging%20Amount.png << no prizes for inferring what happened here

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... ( http://bit.ly/1YqFHJh )

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revisiting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-11-2015#1330220 >> 'Вбивают в камни аммонал, / Могилу рыть пора. / И содрогается запал / Бикфордова шнура.' -- mega-p03m, shalamov, http://shalamov.ru/library/13/6.html

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Logged on 23-11-2015 02:58:44; mircea_popescu: isn't ammonal about on par with black powder, in the sense that if it gets wet you can go salt your food with it ?

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Похороны // Варлам Шаламов ... ( http://bit.ly/1YqFTrW )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109084 @ 0.00050383 = 54.9598 BTC [-] {4}

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mircea_popescu waves

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Hi mircea_popescu

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lol, i racked up like 1500 low qual grass lastnight

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o hey check this out, it sorta looks like that tempest-storm-whateverthefuck nsa server fucked up.

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so i come back to find that xchat is seeking permission to download "sol.desktop", supposedly a 498 byte file sent by someone from... 192.168.0.29 (port 50234).

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the only problem is that address doesn't map to any machine, nor could it.

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anyone seen anything like this ?

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ctcp spoof?

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mircea_popescu: pwned router ?

22:05

mod6 i suspect so.

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danielpbarron

mod6, you selling it?

22:05

asciilifeform .0 would asctually be the ISP provided modem.

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(and, if your lan is actually 192.168.* - possibly other box owned)

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my lan is .168.n.

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obviously.

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mircea_popescu: care to post the payload ?

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well no, i'm not instrumented to extract any payloads.

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the 498 bt

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yes, that.

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ah, didn't actually load. ok

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well doh.

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i'd have loaded. this sorta nugget is worth having to douse a box in petrol

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<+danielpbarron> mod6, you selling it? << sure. atm ive got my hands full tho. maybe in like 30-45 mins?

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danielpbarron

i'll be here

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from what i can see this'd be some sort of "server for linux" or whatevs.

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course, what's in a name.

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or >> https://github.com/kikinovak/matebuntu/blob/master/12.04/cleanmenu/desktop/sol.desktop << 'solitaire'

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matebuntu/sol.desktop at master · kikinovak/matebuntu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1YqHez8 )

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solitaire ?!

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turns out, exists! thx to poettering et al

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what is this, insults ?

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the supa-secret INSULTINGPAYLOADS programme

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o hey check it out, the key to driving mass linux adoption was copying minesweeper and solitaire, who knew.

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turns out that game where you crushed billgates heads with penguin fist was not enough...

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that thing disappeared did it

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haven't seen it on a box in almost 20yrs

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but who knows, somewhere, it awaits

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https://www.virustotal.com/en/ip-address/192.168.0.29/information/ not much there really. some derpy windows virus, various smartphone crapolade.

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eh vt will list anybody who walked the lan

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and hit that addr

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only about a dozen or so items

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(files that embed this string)

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asciilifeform knows far more than any sane person would wish to re: vt, having sat on a $100K/y all-you-can-eat subscription for the latter

22:17

ok, but i mean specifically "who the fuck embeds this ip"

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if anybody here has a current vt subscription, i'd like the samples, thx

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mircea_popescu: most of the vt links are 'android' turds, vs winblowz

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i jus' said that!

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ah hm

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you did, didntcha

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asciilifeform awake for far too long

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*

asciilifeform saw derpitudes that nobody would believe if told.

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"Your proposition may be good, but let's have one thing understood whatever it is, I'm against it! And even when you've changed it or condensed it, I'm against it!"

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maybe the best couplet in the history of english lolzedy.

22:21

anyone seen horsefeathers ?

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WildMassGuessing << this is pretty interesting. the idea being, and i cite, "The trope has also become increasingly important in more traditional fiction as of late because the Internet's technological revolution is such that an author's "twists" could easily be predicted ahead of time if enough clever fans put their heads together and talk things over. (And over.) "

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Wild Mass Guessing - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PL8ZAQ )

22:29

danielpbarron: ok, wanna meet me in town?

22:30

this is an interesting problem to have. one edge of it could be readily dismissed as "well obviously if you can't write so instead of writing you substitute copywriting as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2015#1330345 & all, imonlydoingmyjob bla bla you will be predictable, after all copywriting is designed to work much like computer codewriting : others gotta be able to pick up your job once you quit"

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Logged on 23-11-2015 20:26:41; mircea_popescu: "What often deters writers from going through with the above plan is the fact that, well, Most Writers Are Writers. They're writing a character who's supposed to be a musician, but they don't know the particulars of meters or chords. They have a character who is a military expert, but they don't know how long an infantry division can fight until it needs to be resupplied. They have a character who's

22:30

but the other edge is to observe that fiction HAS to be predictable specifically because it isn't nonfiction. there not being a reality to feed from other than what emerges from the fact that the reader can follow, you're stuck.

22:31

jesus who knew fiction is a doomed entreprise. this would actually make literature not art, outright.

22:31

fucking is also fairly predictable..

22:31

as is dinner

22:32

who knew the problem apelles of kos dealt with is actually much broader than just an annoying shoemaker.

22:32

(most people know how digestion ends)

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asciilifeform physiology is also not art.

22:33

the culinary folk have notions of art, no ?

22:33

but that's cooking not digestion.

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*

mircea_popescu agrees with the general frenchypoof notion of the pre-mitterand years that cooking is indeed an art and mssr duchemin rightfully accepted in the academy.

22:34

And yeah, BingoBoingo, Hemingway was an ambulance driver, wounded on the Italian front, so the story goes. He wrote about it in A Farewell To Arms.

22:36

mr h's most notable achievement was, iirc, having bred a breed of cat with opposable fingers

22:36

they still exist today, somewhere.

22:36

huh

22:36

http://www.hemingwayhome.com/cats

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hemingwayhome.com | Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1PL9sD8 )

22:37

Did you ever read A Natural History Of The Dead - short story?

22:37

nein

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these creatures, it is said, can open doors.

22:38

wow, look at that. thing has a thumb.

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anyway, i dunno, for me its a toss up between For Whom The Bell Tolls & A Farewell To Arms.

22:39

my ex had two of these, and yeah they can use them

22:40

could pick up food in their palms them eat

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danielpbarron

mod6, ya I'm almost there

22:40

the thumbs aren't very strong, but hey, it's a start

22:40

danielpbarron: ah cool

22:41

check that out, cat chipmunks

22:42

chipmunk has thumbs ?

22:42

well it does funny things holding its food to eat

22:43

rodents typically gotta use both paws to hold the food

22:43

because no thumbs

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punkman

trinque: could pick up food in their palms them eat < they don't need extra finger for that

22:44

maybe not

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BingoBoingo: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/24/article-1280781-09B6EBA7000005DC-563_468x453.jpg << check out this fat fuck

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... ( http://bit.ly/1PL9ZoG )

22:48

this is true

22:48

couple of weeks ago i saw a pig so fat he could not see anything for last 2 years

22:50

punkman

fat eyelids?

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eyes overgrown wit fat

22:51

have a pic from 2012 when vision still worked hold on

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http://shrani.si/f/E/bl/41fGmeuI/veso.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1PLazCJ )

22:53

too bad i didnt take another.

22:53

wow

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can smell.

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he wont move unless you break a pumpkin in front of him

22:55

2y is a long time for a pig, no ?

22:55

dunno, this one is a pet.

22:55

ah

22:57

ill take another shot if its still alive on my next visit

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in other news, couch anemone! http://49.media.tumblr.com/598efa61437511a4a5ee1f50c697290e/tumblr_n8y26qIwKK1rl45flo1_500.gif

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... ( http://bit.ly/1TbpFjH )

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23:29

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/RogerEbert << check that out, apparently tvtropes thinks ebert is not only worth the mention, but actually a big deal. somehow.

23:29

Roger Ebert (Creator) - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbqwRn )

23:30

did the guy EVER write something worth reading ?

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23:35

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3752834 << guess who meanwhile became a shittier version of reddit.

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I need some legal advice, because my roommate is a paranoid imbecile! - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbqSrc )

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23:37

dafuq

23:38

oh, and since we're it, the definitive example of the relationship between trilema and "the romanian blogosphere" : http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/ on 20 oct ; http://www.piticigratis.com/2015/11/in-continuare-esti-inconjurat-de-idioti-si-ce-inseamna-asta-pentru-tine/ on nov 20th.

23:38

Here's what you don't know or understand about Facebook : everything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M69PXV )

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În continuare ești înconjurat de idioți (și ce înseamnă asta pentru tine) | Pitici Gratis ... ( http://bit.ly/1R2sTqs )

23:38

http://geoblog.rgo.ru/blog/502.html << have a bit of relaxing gulagiana.

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Экспедиция "ГУЛАГ. Стройка №501." День 6. / Блог пользователя / Геоблоги ... ( http://bit.ly/1R2sWT4 )

23:38

other than the same-day homage thing, i would guess between half and two thirds of every romanian blog is either a straight lift, a bad translation or a more or less hacky adaptation of either current or historical trilema.

23:40

i dunno that anyone who isn't born in a minor culture can ever enjoy this situation of "i am the only literate one of my people. literally."

23:41

engl.-speaking folks can enjoy 'i am the only literate for radius of ten thousand li'

23:41

asciilifeform i dun get it, some hiking blog ?

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