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01:51 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/06635b98d31d5cc03a93730b9089b526/tumblr_nrgwr3Dv1n1utdlodo1_1280.jpg
01:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RSUVTw )
01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00055146 = 1.3787 BTC [-]
02:00 trinque http://trilema.com/2015/and-then-you-never-knew-what-this-was/ << I can only say that I read it five times and liked it more each.
02:00 assbot And then you never knew what this was... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHStS0 )
02:03 mircea_popescu better lsd on the west coast ?
02:04 trinque I think I take your argument that it's not needed now.
02:04 trinque in this there is truly a psychological elsewhere
02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2043 @ 0.00055087 = 1.1254 BTC [-]
02:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.00055006 = 2.8367 BTC [-]
02:14 ben_vulpes wonder of wonders
02:14 ben_vulpes insurance company is covering like 5 days in the hospital
02:16 ben_vulpes ty, asciilifeform! when you get around to it, please please please let me know in which ways i could improve it, or if there are mega-conceptual shifts i could effect within myself to do it better next time.
02:17 mircea_popescu ahh this place brings out the best in people.
02:17 mircea_popescu well... this and the maternity ward, at any rate.
02:21 liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321520 <MP you are a fucking trip. I lol'd
02:21 assbot Logged on 10-11-2015 22:56:22; mircea_popescu: i only burned a coupla!
02:21 liquidassets sometimes you bum me out, like depression for days
02:22 liquidassets sorry if not on topic, catching up with some logs as usual
02:24 mircea_popescu lol k
02:25 liquidassets sometimes depression like when you said that guy had no soul from TLP
02:25 liquidassets but other times you come through
02:28 liquidassets sometimes I find myself talking about you with ladyfriend and then she gets it in her head that your "dark" or something, and then I end up defending you, or we end up arguing about it...fucking strange right?
02:29 mircea_popescu actually this happens a lot.
02:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.000564 = 2.256 BTC [+]
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03:13 ben_vulpes > nuchal translucency -- 366.00
03:14 BingoBoingo Oh ben_vulpes is itemizing the bebe vulpes bill?
03:14 ben_vulpes no just the retarded bits
03:15 BingoBoingo It's an American hospital bill, you will find many there
03:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00054982 = 1.2646 BTC [-]
03:24 ben_vulpes whaack: your alma mater's ip is leaking
03:24 ben_vulpes !up whaack
03:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9298 @ 0.00056041 = 5.2107 BTC [+]
03:26 ben_vulpes is that dosser around still?
03:32 ben_vulpes !up moneycat
03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1889 @ 0.00055061 = 1.0401 BTC [-] {3}
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04:06 liquidassets seemed like I got kicked off for a second ben_vulpes
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05:00 liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-11-2015#1322645 <<talking with a potential client yesterday interested in 10-40 acre pasture land, apparently raising pigs and finishing them on a diet of acorn yields Jamón ibérico, some crazy expensive pork belly product native to southwestern Spain.
05:00 assbot Logged on 12-11-2015 18:55:36; ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
05:09 punkman liquidassets: legs not belly, quite delicious indeed
05:10 liquidassets really...? he said something like $1000/lb, was it expensive? Where did you try it?
05:11 BingoBoingo ;;later tell asciilifeform Military solution to courts problem? http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/police-woman-sons-attack-trooper-in-store-bathroom/article_7d12db34-8c3b-5b5a-b85c-edc57383d3d8.html
05:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6HZbO )
05:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:12 punkman I remember seeing prices of 50-150+ euros per kilo in spain, but not sure if the cheaper ones were Iberico
05:13 punkman curing meat for 2-3 years probably takes some dedication
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05:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00053727 = 3.0087 BTC [-] {2}
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06:37 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-11-2015#1322645 http://buyacornflour.com/ ?
06:37 assbot Logged on 12-11-2015 18:55:36; ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
06:37 assbot Acorn ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPs0QX )
06:38 shinohai Acorn biscotti is quite good, imho
06:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00053757 = 3.0641 BTC [+]
06:55 shinohai http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Sexting-arrest-latest-embarrassment-for-Secret-6629235.php
06:55 assbot Sexting arrest latest embarrassment for Secret Service - Houston Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1SNsR4T )
06:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00053944 = 3.7761 BTC [+] {2}
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07:42 punkman https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3sn1og/call_out_to_owner_of_btc_address/cwyt30e
07:42 assbot formerdigguser comments on Call out to owner of BTC address 16h9587CZLsyLGqH81QVJSkFwqyY1AuWRH ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPAWG5 )
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08:02 BingoBoingo lol
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08:39 shinohai !s http://www.zdnet.com/article/brazilian-army-gets-hacked/
08:39 assbot Brazilian Army gets hacked | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1velz )
08:39 assbot 0 results for 'http://www.zdnet.com/article/brazilian-army-gets-hacked/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zdnet.com%2Farticle%2Fbrazilian-army-gets-hacked%2F
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09:55 mircea_popescu hmmm... listen, is it me or have the us protestors forgotten the ancient art of the molotov cocktail "?
09:55 mircea_popescu i've not seen a single one, wtf is this ?
09:55 mircea_popescu tlp's "throw rocks" is an EUPHEMISM. you're not throwing fuelbombs, you'll lose.
09:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00053727 = 3.2773 BTC [-]
09:58 BingoBoingo They forgot. Apparently in ferguson there were unsuccessful attemps
09:59 mircea_popescu darn.
09:59 mircea_popescu well, ima write a monograph, one minute.
10:00 BingoBoingo Seems like they googled and got disinfo recipes
10:07 thestringpuller don't think a rioter has thrown a molotov cocktail in the US since rodney king
10:08 shinohai I find the orange juice napalm recipe from fight club works nice with a more ignition-friendly 2:1 ratio is used.
10:11 thestringpuller http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/20/fed-raises-possibility-of-negative-interest-rates.html << oldie but another reason to GTFO the US
10:13 mircea_popescu stop putting shit in your drinks.
10:13 mircea_popescu it's called a "cocktail" IRONICALLY. because yes, people from my place ~~~invented~~~ this "irony" bullshit.
10:13 mircea_popescu unlike the ustards they also know how to use it, but besides the point
10:13 punkman orange juice?
10:14 mircea_popescu !s disinfo recipes
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10:14 assbot 0 results for 'disinfo recipes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disinfo+recipes
10:14 mircea_popescu orly.
10:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1862 @ 0.00053727 = 1.0004 BTC [-]
10:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why would the muppeteers burn their own capital ?
10:25 mircea_popescu you and your retroactive reasoning.
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10:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1322984 << could've sworn we had this thread
10:45 assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 15:14:24; mircea_popescu: !s disinfo recipes
10:45 asciilifeform re: the idiot publishers censoring basic craft from novels
10:46 mircea_popescu aha
10:52 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/ << anyone wanna spellcheck this ?
10:52 assbot A Blast From The Past, or, The Molotov Cocktail Guide. This is how you win. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMUhkM )
10:58 asciilifeform 'A taser delivers ~10 Joules per hit, a Molotov Cocktail delivers ~270`000 Joules per hit, you do the math.' << mno. mostly heats the air. just like when you burn the same petrol in an engine.
10:58 asciilifeform if it delivered 270kJ you wouldn't need artillery.
10:59 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: galons -> gallons?
10:59 mircea_popescu let them do the math!
11:00 mircea_popescu ahe thestringpuller
11:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the other thing is that a good petrol bomb includes a gelling agent
11:00 asciilifeform e.g., the styrofoam that was replaced with 'orange juice' by palahniuk's publisher
11:00 asciilifeform otherwise it tends to spread uselessly
11:00 mircea_popescu think the plastic in the bottle's not gonna be enough ?
11:00 asciilifeform and can be washed off
11:01 asciilifeform the bottle does not melt very quickly
11:01 mircea_popescu this is a point.
11:01 mircea_popescu im adding packing peanuts.
11:01 punkman glass bottle might be better
11:01 asciilifeform srsly this is what, three quarters of a century-old tech
11:01 asciilifeform not mega-s33kr1t
11:01 mircea_popescu punkman worse, not so available.
11:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not so. beer.
11:02 asciilifeform today as it was then.
11:02 punkman a lot of beer :P
11:02 asciilifeform and glass bottles were used in ww2 su. lets you use phosphorus or some other fulminating agent to touch the thing off
11:03 asciilifeform (don't drop yer rucksack)
11:03 * shinohai finds no notable spelling errors in mircea_popescu 's article, enjoyed it.
11:03 asciilifeform the aspiring diversante is advised to see to it that his peanuts actually dissolve
11:03 davout easier to screw a cap on a plastic bottle tho
11:03 mircea_popescu done.
11:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, aluminum
11:03 asciilifeform (iirc there are materials - tyvek? - which will not)
11:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plenty of glass beer bottles in usa
11:04 mircea_popescu ah good point
11:04 * asciilifeform has never once drank it out of aluminum
11:05 asciilifeform at any rate, i predict that no one will throw petrol bombs in usa, until after it becomes 'fusa'
11:05 asciilifeform (like fussr)
11:07 mircea_popescu aaand updated.
11:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what people do is really besides the point.
11:07 asciilifeform 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the selfsame drowning' (tm) (r) (ru church)
11:09 deedbot- [Trilema] A Blast From The Past, or, The Molotov Cocktail Guide. This is how you win. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/
11:11 mircea_popescu epic how the rss feed delay worked this time
11:11 mircea_popescu i got all the changes in just in timwe
11:12 asciilifeform no photo of packing peanuts ?
11:12 asciilifeform l0l
11:12 mircea_popescu lol
11:13 asciilifeform iirc the other reason for the thickening agent is to avoid 'leidenfrost effect'
11:13 asciilifeform where the petrol harmlessly boils off
11:14 mircea_popescu vapor insulator ?
11:14 punkman plastic bottle doesn't break, how will it spread the gas when thrown?
11:14 mircea_popescu not summer anymore, but yeah
11:14 mircea_popescu punkman it melts.
11:14 punkman so it lands and rolls around, then melts?
11:14 mircea_popescu it melts in flight if you're any good.
11:15 asciilifeform plastic is a poor choice unless target is stationary (e.g., the glass window of a nazi office).
11:15 asciilifeform it will roll harmlessly off a tank.
11:15 mircea_popescu you ever seen this ?
11:15 mircea_popescu the straw is there so you adjust for flight distance.
11:16 punkman sawdust is also an old staple, according to local lore at least
11:16 mircea_popescu yeah but where are they gonna get sawdust.
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't that it is entirely unworkable, but this takes you back to the 18th century, before impact detonator was a thing
11:17 mircea_popescu so let them develop some skill.
11:17 asciilifeform 'assembly line with phd'
11:17 mircea_popescu no.
11:17 mircea_popescu "naturally arisisng social hierarchy".
11:17 mircea_popescu you want the dumbass "community organizers" to run into a group of people who have built natural respect for skill, tested in the field.
11:18 mircea_popescu unlike the usg, that works a little for itself and the rest for us, i work for us. the whole way.
11:18 asciilifeform if this existed in usa today, it would look like usa circa 1950 and there'd be no question of 'which bottle'
11:19 mircea_popescu i dun believe either that if stands or it'd matter if it stood.
11:19 mircea_popescu horribru disease, counterfactualism.
11:19 asciilifeform as it is, courage XOR skill. presently.
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6109 @ 0.00055167 = 3.3702 BTC [+] {2}
11:40 * mircea_popescu is kinda pleased nobody picked on ho-fficer as a misspelling.
11:48 thestringpuller is this why we don't use flamethrowers anymore?
11:53 thestringpuller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LWQQrpSc4 << Funny how Disney got it right.
11:55 kakobrekla handsome pilot is no longer handsome http://www.demilked.com/social-changes-best-word-book-ever-richard-scarry/
11:55 assbot 25+ Changes That Were Made To Your Favorite Childhood Book To Keep Up With The Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1lna5WW )
11:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00055844 = 4.5513 BTC [+] {2}
12:11 funkenstein_ for those interested in setting up 25 cent vps nodes: buildroot needs more than 512 M ram to build toolchain
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12:12 kakobrekla 25 cent ? what, per hour ?
12:14 mircea_popescu how much does it need ?
12:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10141 @ 0.0005584 = 5.6627 BTC [-]
12:14 funkenstein_ not sure. probably better to build elsewhere and pass it in?
12:14 mircea_popescu usually how it's done.
12:15 funkenstein_ did i mention i'm a slow learner?
12:15 * funkenstein_ applauds molotov instruction
12:16 mircea_popescu hehe. now go share it.
12:16 funkenstein_ kakobrekla, 25 cents per 36 hours or so :D
12:17 funkenstein_ y'all might be interested in this guy's promotion of roll your own crypto: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/NSAchallenge.php
12:17 assbot Rivero challenges the NSA | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ... ( http://bit.ly/1lncqBb )
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12:45 BingoBoingo This is what happens to people who don't read qntra: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-county-man-is-rd-charged-with-social-media/article_6e950e58-9e8c-53af-80b2-f23ff8211b16.html
12:45 assbot St. Louis County man is 3rd charged with social media threats amid Mizzou tumult : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lneMQq )
12:47 shinohai "Yik Yak is basically a bathroom stall," <<< <3
12:50 BingoBoingo No it isn't. Bathroom stalls don't snitch to the popo
12:51 BingoBoingo !up hdbuck
12:53 hdbuck hey
12:54 hdbuck mircea_popescu the future… https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/autoblow-2-a-robotic-oral-sex-simulator-for-men#/
12:54 assbot Autoblow 2: A Robotic Oral Sex Simulator For Men | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9oZOp )
12:55 hdbuck yeah baby http://www.vaginacontest.com/
12:55 assbot The Autoblow's Vaginal Beauty Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9p7xj )
12:55 punkman funkenstein_: kakobrekla, 25 cents per 36 hours or so :D << I've seen some for 50 cents / month
12:58 mircea_popescu mmm
13:01 punkman http://www.vaginacontest.com/profilePhotos/N20QnNell.jpg
13:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lnfP2G )
13:12 mircea_popescu that is a vulva.
13:12 mircea_popescu but #whatever, me approves of the way we've been moving window. few years ago it was tits for money, now it's cunt for free.
13:13 kakobrekla i think you still run tits for money thing.
13:14 mircea_popescu so i do.
13:15 kakobrekla perhaps it needs an update. show me your cunt and ill allow you to write xyz on your tits, or something.
13:16 mircea_popescu lol
13:21 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in Ohio https://i.sli.mg/QVxEBb.jpg
13:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lnh4io )
13:23 mircea_popescu ha
13:26 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/fbnaIeX.png
13:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lnhq8P )
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13:41 jurov !t m s.mpoe
13:41 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00053727 / 0.00055708 / 0.00057294 (345824 shares, 192.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00053146 / 0.00055263 / 0.00057294 (9320869 shares, 5,151.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0004711 / 0.00053681 / 0.00057294 (54253380 shares, 29,123.94 BTC)
13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00054486 = 1.6891 BTC [-] {2}
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14:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323070 << for those interested in eating in dumpsters: broken glass is sharp and doesn't taste very good
14:29 assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 17:11:20; funkenstein_: for those interested in setting up 25 cent vps nodes: buildroot needs more than 512 M ram to build toolchain
14:29 BingoBoingo Doesn't taste very bad either. Very neutral taste
14:29 asciilifeform if you like the taste of own blood
14:30 asciilifeform what is it with this expectation people have that 'vps' etc is usable.
14:30 asciilifeform esp. for 25c
14:32 BingoBoingo The blood has its own taste, merely incidental to the glass consumption.
14:33 deedbot- [Qntra] Colorado Springs Drops Police Fitness Tests After Suit - http://qntra.net/2015/11/colorado-springs-drops-police-fitness-tests-after-suit/
14:36 mircea_popescu this is good for fatcoin.
14:37 mircea_popescu and in culture clash news, http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-october-2015-statement/#comment-115867
14:37 assbot BitBet (S.BBET) October 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvn7YJ )
14:37 BingoBoingo Seriously. May the MayoGendered and Law Enforcement in the United States unify in morbid obesity.
14:38 mircea_popescu what to do in argentina while awaiting for plumber ?
14:38 mircea_popescu take a long hot shower secure in the knowledge they won't show up.
14:39 asciilifeform do mircea_popescu's pets shit gravel, or what. much plumber.
14:39 mircea_popescu much place.
14:39 asciilifeform 'n-engined airplane theorem' ?
14:39 asciilifeform (n engines, n*c engine problems)
14:39 mircea_popescu something like that.
14:40 mircea_popescu no money, no problems. always remember.
14:40 asciilifeform wut
14:41 mircea_popescu aha.
14:53 * BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle sudden wealth in the form of 2000 BTC, a 20lb gold dumbell (encased in vinyl for concealment), and a duffel bag full of $20 dollar bills.
14:53 BingoBoingo Since the $20's aren't benjies they can be spent
14:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the same way i would handle monkeys flooding out of my arse while the sky turns fluorescent purple
14:55 BingoBoingo So panic?
14:56 asciilifeform so NULL
14:56 BingoBoingo I was kinda hoping the answer would have been sprat boat
14:56 asciilifeform or, if you prefer,
14:56 asciilifeform nil
14:56 asciilifeform or for 'scheme' aficionados, #f
14:57 punkman but world is javascript, so "undefined"
14:57 BingoBoingo How do you know the lizards now aren't going to make the monkeys and sky thing happen to you nao
14:58 jurov alf would indeed surmise these things must have come from lizard hitler
14:58 BingoBoingo I'm pretty sure "arse monkeys" is now on a requisition form somewhere in fort Meade
15:00 * BingoBoingo thinking now if it would count if the monkeys were blended and used in an enema
15:01 jurov BingoBoingo: check for any weird substances in your drink?
15:02 BingoBoingo Maybe it's just the sobriety thing getting in my head
15:06 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2011/09/29/hugo_chavez_caption_contest/Colbert_censorship_GIF.gif.CROP.original-original.gif
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15:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12738 @ 0.00054384 = 6.9274 BTC [+] {6}
15:31 jurov http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a57_1264994259 O.o
15:31 assbot LiveLeak.com - Best Action Scene Of ALL TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/1WX21HT )
15:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00054657 = 1.0385 BTC [+] {2}
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16:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4273 @ 0.00054657 = 2.3355 BTC [+] {2}
16:16 ben_vulpes http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panda-Small-Mini-Dryer-5-5lbs-2-5kg-Compact-Apartment-Dryer-Pan725sf-New-/301640663755?hash=item463b2f42cb:g:aYoAAOSweW5VXhZa << breakeven with the "on site" quarter-driven driver is some 173 loads, minus the value of being able to dry infantwear on demand.
16:16 assbot Panda Small Mini Dryer-5.5lbs/2.5kg Compact Apartment Dryer Pan725sf New ... ( http://bit.ly/1RUpybl )
16:16 ben_vulpes ah, the poverty of my generation.
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16:42 jurov https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/72652/beaches-carnivals-and-cybercrime-a-look-inside-the-brazilian-underground/ <<< the marketplace for alf's exploits :D
16:42 assbot Beaches, carnivals and cybercrime: a look inside the Brazilian underground - Securelist ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQUJF0 )
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00053512 = 2.6654 BTC [-] {2}
16:42 asciilifeform jurov: mno
16:42 asciilifeform jurov: the market place for ~other folks'~ exploits.
16:44 pete_dushenski ;;seen chetty
16:44 gribble chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <chetty> perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
16:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10219 @ 0.00053396 = 5.4565 BTC [-] {3}
16:45 pete_dushenski ;;later tell chetty you game for in an interview re: eulora ? i have a bitcoin-themed podcast who's interested :)
16:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:46 pete_dushenski said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
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16:46 asciilifeform bawhat
16:46 asciilifeform l0l
16:46 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: THIS IS PR!
16:46 asciilifeform they know where to find us forfuckssake
16:47 asciilifeform ~HERE~
16:48 * pete_dushenski has the sneaking suspicion that he's going to find myself as a guest on podcast. because tmsr doesn't do vocal chords.
16:50 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: could you be persuaded to represent qntra for a voice interview ?
16:54 pete_dushenski kk scratch the voice idea. interviewers will come here.
16:54 pete_dushenski i dunno what's wrong with my head.
16:55 pete_dushenski trying to manage "the people" using my tsmr head will take some sorting otu
16:55 pete_dushenski out*
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005319 = 4.7871 BTC [-]
17:05 mircea_popescu apropos de nothing, http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/universities_have_become_totalitarian_gulags.html
17:05 assbot Articles: Universities Have Become Totalitarian Gulags ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqkUli )
17:07 hdbuck shit hitting the fan in paris
17:07 mircea_popescu hdbuck those dudes know all about burning cars huh.
17:07 pete_dushenski hdbuck: what's the fuss this time ?
17:08 hdbuck http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
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17:08 assbot Paris shooting: Several killed and injured after 'Kalashnikov and grenade attacks' across French capital - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqlnUC )
17:08 hdbuck ‘on going'
17:08 mircea_popescu je suis charlie un poco mas ?
17:08 asciilifeform for piiiiigleeet!!!
17:10 hdbuck 40 deaths?? Oo
17:10 mircea_popescu oh look art that, telegraph doesn't actually load a usable page.
17:10 mircea_popescu i guess the frfench stuff never happened.
17:13 * hdbuck wonders if the OCP21 thingy will be cancelled.
17:15 pete_dushenski what's that?
17:15 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: where was the podcast thing or whatever it was
17:15 pete_dushenski also, what's going to be the "paris of the west" once paris is part of the "east" ?
17:16 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/
17:16 assbot Home | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqmTpN )
17:16 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: which issue ?
17:17 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the interviews haven't been done yet ?
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6740 @ 0.00053658 = 3.6165 BTC [+] {2}
17:17 asciilifeform well no shit
17:17 asciilifeform but where did pete_dushenski get the idea that they wanted any
17:17 pete_dushenski asked.
17:17 asciilifeform hm ok
17:17 asciilifeform let'em come here.
17:24 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: podcast folks typically expect a voice track, yes. and now that i think about it, i've heard a dozen or so episodes of this one. quite mediocre (shilled for gavin, hearn, et al) but as i recall - quite popular.
17:24 asciilifeform so if you feel like preaching to the heathens, go for it.
17:25 pete_dushenski i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
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17:25 pete_dushenski they also have a blog so there's that
17:25 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski does this thing have to be oral ?
17:25 pete_dushenski and yes, reasonably popular
17:25 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i'm trying to work around it. tbd.
17:26 phf have interview on #b-a, have a dramatic reading version for podcasters
17:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323187 << updated, '40 dead... grenades ... pump-action shotgun' etc
17:27 assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 22:08:17; hdbuck: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
17:27 mircea_popescu tell you what, if it IS a podcast they can do the interview in writing here like sane people, then i'll pay some slut to read my lines out into a mic.
17:27 asciilifeform ^
17:27 mircea_popescu gimicky enough to actually add value to their shit anyway.
17:27 pete_dushenski 'stan, of cardano fame, played by james earl jones
17:27 hdbuck true true
17:28 * asciilifeform does not have very much to say to podcast people
17:28 hdbuck eh anyway, was quite a bummer, now, im just getting way used to this shit. what a world.
17:28 mircea_popescu o look, phf had my idea, only a minute eartlier.
17:35 phf i like the slut version, but it has to sound really bubbly and vapid. i was thinking have actors impersonators, morgan freeman, clint eastwood, christopher walken
17:35 jurov sexysaffron can do it, complete with video
17:36 pete_dushenski video doesn't do much here
17:36 mircea_popescu you ever heard sesame or whats her name phf ?
17:37 mircea_popescu and if you think i'm paying for some non b-a outlet to have morgan freeman read shit out loud you're off your rocker.
17:37 mircea_popescu for one thing, the old derp's on the index list for supporting libertard notions.
17:37 pete_dushenski l0l
17:38 mircea_popescu d'oh. anyone thinks they're an actor and said anything that can vaguely be interpreted in the direction of supporting libertard policy, they're gonna wish they said they support child fucking with farm implements instead.
17:38 mircea_popescu better for their career.
17:39 pete_dushenski so much for james cameron directing the next b-a flick
17:39 pete_dushenski tarantino ftw
17:39 mircea_popescu tarantino all the way.
17:39 phf sesame?
17:39 pete_dushenski you see that his next flick is 70mm ultra pano ?
17:40 pete_dushenski !s hateful eight
17:40 assbot 2 results for 'hateful eight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hateful+eight
17:40 pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/movies/tarantinos-the-hateful-eight-resurrects-nearly-obsolete-technology.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0
17:40 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sqr3h7 )
17:42 pete_dushenski "“We’ve been accused of actually cornering the market on 70-millimeter projectors,” Mr. Cutler said. “It’s probably pretty true. There probably aren’t too many out there that we didn’t find.” Most of them were destroyed, he added, during the conversion to digital projection."
17:42 pete_dushenski "“The Hateful Eight” is not just any 70-millimeter movie: It is only the 10th feature to make full use of shooting in Ultra Panavision, an extra-wide format, but it will actually have the technology’s largest opening in terms of screen numbers."
17:43 * pete_dushenski to go pick up saddam from mechanic then to dinner. later !
17:51 hdbuck http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/11-overflow/20151113_paris2.jpg
17:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HIbXTV )
17:53 hdbuck US equity *futures*
18:02 mircea_popescu hey, lower than ethereum even.
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18:41 hdbuck https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/665298393833451520/photo/1
18:54 mircea_popescu phf my bad, saffron
18:55 * jurov giggles every time mp tries to remember her name
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5734 @ 0.00054691 = 3.136 BTC [+] {4}
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19:24 ben_vulpes sassafras
19:25 ben_vulpes davout: you still alive?
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19:25 ben_vulpes yo so was it $epithet in paris or what?
19:28 trinque ben_vulpes: news is reporting people at least claiming ISIS affiliation in the thing, not that I count that as hard confirmation
19:28 trinque flatten that part of syria and iraq yet? guess not
19:30 trinque and so I suppose the west truly does not want to live, and so be it
19:32 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: could you be persuaded to represent qntra for a voice interview ? << The onus is on them to do the text to voice thing.
19:34 ben_vulpes "how do we keep terrorists out?"
19:34 ben_vulpes "welcome refugees from syria with open arms!"
19:37 mats nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah
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19:37 mats its already over, man
19:37 trinque yep, I know they don't.
19:38 BingoBoingo The latest person out at Mizzou is Coach Gary Pinkel. https://archive.is/RTE27
19:38 assbot Updated: Gary Pinkel announces retirement due to health reasons – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pslh0S )
19:38 mats actually, maybe putin does
19:39 mats that would set isis back a few years
19:41 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665321462442528768
19:42 BingoBoingo Round a hundred thought dead in the theater
19:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7785 @ 0.00054727 = 4.2605 BTC [+] {2}
19:48 asciilifeform 'Expertise in any combination of the following cryptographic primitives is desired: private information retrieval, fully homomorphic encryption, pairing- or lattice-based cryptography, multi-party computation, and distributed key management architectures.' -- from a nazi help-wanted ad
19:51 deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Don't say tragedy of the commons. Don't say it! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/13_dont-say-tragedy-of-the-commons-dont-say-it.html
19:52 hdbuck realityshitshow, the new ISIS MO. and the media loves it.
19:55 trinque ben_vulpes: can't even solve the corner pallet crisis; west is toast!
19:55 ben_vulpes https://gcaptain.com/rolls-royce-reveals-entrenched-failings-to-stunned-investors << on the "britain sucks" thread
19:55 assbot Rolls-Royce Reveals Entrenched Failings to Stunned Investors - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1Psma9C )
19:56 asciilifeform no mention of dip in airline motor demand, curious.
19:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2264 @ 0.00053773 = 1.2174 BTC [-] {2}
19:58 ben_vulpes it's subtle but i thought i saw it
19:58 mircea_popescu <mats> nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah << it wouldn't take one. it would take about fifty or so to properly glass the place.
19:59 ben_vulpes "The newcomer cut full-year forecasts, halted a share buyback and said 2016 numbers would be hurt by slowing sales of engines for smaller aircraft and ships that serve the beleaguered offshore oil industry."
19:59 mircea_popescu nobody EVEN HAS fifty functional ones.
19:59 ben_vulpes what's wrong with firebombing?
19:59 mircea_popescu they grow back.
19:59 asciilifeform ^
19:59 mircea_popescu russians tried it to death\
19:59 mircea_popescu can't say they don't have the oil for it.
20:00 ben_vulpes "Earnings will now be hurt by “sharply lower” sales of corporate jets powered by Rolls engines, together with a more sluggish maintenance market both for those aircraft and bigger regional jets"
20:00 * asciilifeform wonders about ground-penetrating nukez + natural petro deposits
20:00 * ben_vulpes shudders
20:00 mircea_popescu needs air to burn.
20:00 trinque that every "great power" is perturbed by this religion and yet it remains speaks endlessly to the weakness of "great power"
20:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the air comes back after the initial vacuum funnel
20:00 mircea_popescu trinque you realise religion has nothing to do with it.
20:00 mircea_popescu you can't run a country on women only.
20:01 trinque this group of people who have functioning hierarchy and men, yes
20:01 mircea_popescu so then... of fucking course bipedal lifeforms with both eyes will own lame blind asses ?
20:02 mircea_popescu what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
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20:02 mircea_popescu holy shit even the words of this doomed civilisation are aspirational now. "it means nothing, but what does it aspire to mean ?"
20:05 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the problem being that rolls was one of the precious few spots where britain didn't suck.
20:05 mircea_popescu now they're going to scrap high performance engine production also, so next time they want to invade argentina they rent cessnas in peru or some shit.
20:07 BingoBoingo rent low performance engines in Detroit
20:08 * mircea_popescu eagerly awaits the photoproof of the new nigger-rigged british airforce.
20:08 mircea_popescu per ardua ad astra!11
20:10 BingoBoingo Pretty sure Britain can't afford that rigging. Spent everything in F-35 pre-orders
20:11 trinque the linksys router of the skies
20:12 trinque fuck it all, better learn mandarin or russian. there's nothing left in the european sack
20:12 BingoBoingo No, linksys delivered eventually. Even fucking Duke Nukem forever got delivered
20:13 trinque I recall that some "selling point" of the thing was its role as a network node other devices would use
20:13 trinque but too true, why insult linksys so
20:14 BingoBoingo Also as far as places to go, consider learning penguin
20:17 mircea_popescu lol
20:17 mircea_popescu no habla espanol trinque ?
20:18 trinque un poco
20:18 mircea_popescu last time there was a war the argentines came out of it better than literally everyone else.
20:18 mircea_popescu how the god forsaken shithole even got to be a country in the first place, all that war profiteering.
20:19 mircea_popescu reminds me of romania to a rather large degree, if off by a century or two.
20:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so what'd you have preferred, a notice that "I am watching this spot - if you dump trash here I will shoot you. Here's a pic of the rifle."
20:24 mircea_popescu https://d19hkjflplfhx2.cloudfront.net/media/about-us/group.jpg << build a more diverse workforce, women still cluster together.
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20:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PsnNUP )
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20:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10604 @ 0.00052543 = 5.5717 BTC [-] {5}
20:42 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: that is the only solution, right?
20:42 ben_vulpes "pick another corner, dumbshits, this one is mine."
20:42 * ben_vulpes doesn't know how this nugget failed to make it into the turd
20:49 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323303 << see logz!!
20:49 assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 01:02:07; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
20:49 mircea_popescu in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned.
20:50 asciilifeform !s homomorphic
20:50 assbot 32 results for 'homomorphic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=homomorphic
20:50 mircea_popescu i can't decide which side of retarded this falls on.
20:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform except no such thing actually exists, so what "basics" and "primitives" ? suppose i hire solid state engineers, and want them to know the basics such as cold fusion ?
20:50 asciilifeform it's a kind of cryptographolysenkoism aha
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20:51 mircea_popescu these ain't the basics of no physics i ever heard of.
20:51 asciilifeform thing is (again see logz) there are gibblets of usable mechanism scattered throughout the field
20:51 asciilifeform (e.g., 'millinaire protocol' etc)
20:52 asciilifeform *millionaire
20:52 mircea_popescu sure, sure. how much do you want to bet that won't be on the test.
20:52 * asciilifeform did not go and take 'the test'
20:53 asciilifeform (yet...)
20:53 mircea_popescu anyone have any experience with internet.bs ?
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20:54 asciilifeform looks like a possible swap-in for namecheap!
20:54 * asciilifeform writes down
20:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323324 << who are they ?
20:54 assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 01:24:17; mircea_popescu: https://d19hkjflplfhx2.cloudfront.net/media/about-us/group.jpg << build a more diverse workforce, women still cluster together.
20:55 mircea_popescu right.
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the derp[s working for name.com
20:55 asciilifeform ah
20:56 asciilifeform incl. the dog..
20:57 asciilifeform and the cardboard man
20:57 asciilifeform (right-hand)
20:58 ben_vulpes "socialist millionaires protocol", too lol
20:58 asciilifeform !s paillier
20:58 assbot 15 results for 'paillier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paillier
20:59 asciilifeform ^ prolly best-known 'homomorphic' thing
21:01 mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/3ea4c6cfd1af432bba0675b8bde21056/tumblr_n74hilKQPB1qzuheco1_1280.jpg (nsfa)
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21:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HIwFmy )
21:02 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1258158 << today i learned!
21:02 assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 04:12:57; asciilifeform: incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility
21:04 * asciilifeform brushes up on homomorphic idiocy for his inevitable tour in шарашка
21:06 mircea_popescu namecheap "upgraded" it's website. and it's been a nightmare ever since. now i can't even get a list of my fucking domains the normal way. but lo and behold... they have an "export as csv".
21:06 ben_vulpes so asciilifeform i notice that none of the "flow" implementations to date have matching output, and the "press" all depend to one degree or another on the inputs to the relevant "tsort" implementations, they're not guaranteed to "press" the same trees. non determinism at this endpoint gives me the willies, is that stupid?
21:06 mircea_popescu i click it and... nothing happens. of course.
21:06 mircea_popescu i review source and.... wait for it....
21:06 mircea_popescu <div class="dropdown-content dropdown-list"> <ul> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">CSV</a></li> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">PDF</a></li>
21:06 ben_vulpes ANGULAR
21:06 mircea_popescu emplement my fucking fist up your fucking stupid ass.
21:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: that's a js app not a web page
21:07 mircea_popescu o it is.
21:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: all correct implementations will press the same tree ~given the same leaf~ !!
21:07 asciilifeform as in, the leaf whereby it is pressed.
21:07 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes is "FeatureNotEmplemented();" a magic word in jstardation ?
21:08 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: stare into the void
21:08 ben_vulpes no man its so much worse
21:08 mircea_popescu i just want all these stupid faggots to be raped, basically.
21:08 mircea_popescu and i don't mean, incidentally. i mean, to death.
21:08 ben_vulpes yes yes
21:09 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit. i can almost fucking hear it, buncha tards thinking they're "corporate officers" sitting around a cheap glue-and-woodchips table finished in plastic going "hey bill... i think we're getting a great deal on this website outsourcing stuff."
21:09 asciilifeform and... they are
21:10 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
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21:10 mircea_popescu yeah, im sure they are. meanwhile i'm buying a baseball bat and separately a rusty nail.
21:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wake me up when.
21:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: correct.
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21:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do you know how one unwinds this retarded bullshit into actual urls ?
21:10 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
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21:11 mircea_popescu ...
21:11 mircea_popescu they reimplemented cgi in javascript ?
21:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is like asking how to reconnect the buttons at an old derelict petrol station
21:11 asciilifeform there is not, likely, a useful thing to be gained
21:12 mircea_popescu so what, i'm to buy an ipad to get access to my domains because namecheap went full retard ?
21:12 asciilifeform last i used it - it worked...
21:12 mircea_popescu the dumbass cgi-in-javascript thing still gets data somewhere.
21:13 * ben_vulpes is trying to understand how this is cgi
21:13 mircea_popescu " a javascript application that stands on the dom." makes no sense to me.
21:13 ben_vulpes cgi is still request loop stuff, right?
21:13 ben_vulpes "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response to a specific HTTP request.
21:13 mircea_popescu well yes ?
21:14 mircea_popescu what, they have a special non-http server ?
21:14 ben_vulpes okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
21:14 ben_vulpes ugh why do i know this
21:14 * asciilifeform puts on gas mask
21:14 mircea_popescu but javascript is still run in the browser, right ?
21:15 ben_vulpes yeah...
21:15 mircea_popescu and the server itself is still running http
21:15 mircea_popescu so what bs is this, "no urls"
21:15 mircea_popescu OF CUFING FORSE there's urls.
21:15 ben_vulpes okay, simpler
21:15 ben_vulpes yes yes yes
21:15 ben_vulpes very little html is sent over the wire
21:15 ben_vulpes server sez: "here's the js to run, here are the deps, here's the css, go to town"
21:16 mircea_popescu right, but in general, how do i just hook into the datastream of this bs.
21:16 mircea_popescu how do i normallty access "the deps" ?
21:16 ben_vulpes other script tags
21:16 mircea_popescu that's what i imagine i want, i expect a serialized base64
21:16 ben_vulpes that you don't load either
21:16 mircea_popescu what ?
21:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: likely thing is that the box returns 'json' turds (javascript lists populated with crud)
21:16 mircea_popescu look, how do i cut through the chase, so that i don't actually use the js.
21:16 ben_vulpes "the deps" are the rest of the js and html that the thing needs to run
21:16 ben_vulpes read the source, or run the thing and monitor its api calls.
21:16 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes either you're proposing it guesses the data, or else it gets the data from the server.
21:17 mircea_popescu uh. isn't there a standard way you people do this ? like, hm, how should i explain myself.
21:17 ben_vulpes go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
21:17 mircea_popescu in all my interactions with idiocy to date (and this is very banal and ancient idiocy, nothing novel here) there's always a spigot the actual tech people use.
21:18 mircea_popescu that's built in a "standards" model or whatever. "it's called TruDataAccess" or whathaveyou
21:18 mircea_popescu <link href="/assets/css/main?v=phbjMcurPxAMALWheG3gR3Pt1PkGb2rDzmtxXbmwvgE1" rel="stylesheet"/>
21:19 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yes and?
21:19 mircea_popescu check that stupid shit out, they gotta have a ?v=garbage approach to css because reddit does it and so they gotta be professional.
21:19 mircea_popescu as if there's really any point to it.
21:19 ben_vulpes oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
21:19 ben_vulpes like versioned css or something insane
21:20 mircea_popescu yeah, tool is right.
21:20 mircea_popescu a dumbass dude with no prospects. aka tool.
21:20 * asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu realizes that the design space of http slides inevitably into this kind of insanity
21:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS
21:20 mircea_popescu any of it.
21:21 asciilifeform aha.
21:21 asciilifeform me neither...
21:21 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
21:21 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: prolly something like the pure-http version of 'gmail'
21:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how do you debug this ?
21:21 asciilifeform (does that still work..?)
21:21 ben_vulpes terminal into production?
21:21 * trinque ears perk up for browser lamentations
21:21 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing the same data
21:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'firebug' + 'wireshark'
21:21 mircea_popescu suppose the "data isn';t right". you know you load it somehow.
21:21 ben_vulpes ^^
21:21 mircea_popescu and it's not gonna be fucking wireshark.
21:22 asciilifeform it is always, in the end, wireshark
21:22 mircea_popescu it's gonna be http://techsuport.namecheap.com/fuckthisstupidshit.cgi
21:22 asciilifeform (or tcpdump+perl)
21:22 ben_vulpes aheuahuea
21:22 mircea_popescu or hwatevers, .js
21:22 asciilifeform '#BREAKING Paris attacks not just on people of France but on 'all humanity': Obama'
21:22 asciilifeform l0ltr0n1c
21:22 mircea_popescu what ?
21:22 mircea_popescu the nation of humanity ?
21:23 asciilifeform sumthinglikethat
21:23 mircea_popescu i am starting to miss Mr Nucular.
21:23 asciilifeform ask ~him~ not me.
21:23 mircea_popescu at least that was a harmless idiot.
21:23 asciilifeform nyooooookyooooolar!!
21:23 mircea_popescu <script src="/assets/js/main?v=jads0k1x6UN013WQFtBAc6UH0GHeRLPBfF-91kq4R8w1"></script>
21:23 mircea_popescu <script src="/assets/js/xregexp?v=40sPTcMHxMpVEBfrk9PvYkihDvG0lcAp_jescN71YMo1"></script>
21:23 mircea_popescu <script src="/assets/js/angular?v=Kq6-8uYn0o--kc3XolG8nQqh5qaZM-QoJMXpnK1goLk1"></script>
21:23 mircea_popescu js/xregexp
21:23 mircea_popescu gaze upon it and weep.
21:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
21:24 ben_vulpes if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
21:24 ben_vulpes trinque: help
21:24 ben_vulpes trinque: send help
21:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
21:24 mircea_popescu im going to break into their fucking servers just to read my lousy domain list ?
21:24 ben_vulpes saas boss, they show you what they want to show you
21:24 * trinque gives ben_vulpes a can of gas and a strike-anywhere match
21:25 ben_vulpes maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
21:25 ben_vulpes maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
21:25 ben_vulpes WHO KNOWS
21:25 mircea_popescu it's beyong me how the business people can be this abandonware level stupid.
21:25 mircea_popescu seriously, let the dumbass tech kids get away with this stupid shit ?
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21:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is trivially explained by 'fat cheques keep coming, while the rusty nail bat is always tomorrow and tomorrow'
21:25 mircea_popescu i'd flail them alive, stuff the skin and flail it again.
21:26 asciilifeform plz wake me up when selling tickets to this
21:26 ben_vulpes so a twist
21:26 asciilifeform i wanna watch. srsly.
21:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude get the fuck off, you know what % of us corps fail ? you know average lifespan ?
21:26 mircea_popescu what "keep coming".
21:26 ben_vulpes to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are to write objective c, java, or js.
21:26 mircea_popescu they don't fucking keep coming.
21:26 asciilifeform the corpses fail, the corpses (ah) move to the next one.
21:26 asciilifeform they come.
21:26 mircea_popescu yeah, right.
21:26 mircea_popescu dream on, firefly.
21:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile you're looking for a meal ticket because the checks came.
21:27 asciilifeform aha same basic idea
21:27 mircea_popescu so they came right ?
21:27 mircea_popescu like they come for mfa/spammers.
21:27 * ben_vulpes spots a fat tailed distribution
21:27 mircea_popescu jam tomorrow, nail today, while we pretend jam today nail tomorrow.
21:27 mircea_popescu nuts.
21:27 asciilifeform the folks discussed earlier don't sit and look for tickets. they get golden parachuted and immediately hop to next gig
21:28 asciilifeform before corpse is even cold.
21:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how about ban anyone who ever connects from a mobile item.
21:28 mircea_popescu "fuck you, go play angry birds. this is for real people."
21:28 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: that's what's going on!
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you only think this because you have a weird sort of delusion going where everyone else has it rosy.
21:28 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
21:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my weird delusion is 100% based on my to-date contact with physical reality (tm) (r)
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21:29 trinque that's a feature bub
21:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes lost business + maintenance = "technology of progress is the future"
21:29 ben_vulpes which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
21:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as interpreted by you!
21:29 asciilifeform aha
21:29 asciilifeform by who else.
21:29 ben_vulpes and now we know why startups can justify a staff of 150 for a web site, as if it were ever in question.
21:29 mircea_popescu the interpreter!
21:30 mircea_popescu i took over a whole fucking province with less than 150 people./
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21:30 mircea_popescu if you need 150 people you're fucking wrong.
21:30 asciilifeform the one interesting observation here is that this mostly-not-works thing is the essential characteristic of 'job-creating' tech
21:30 asciilifeform if it worked, there'd be approx. 0 'help-wanted'
21:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's what they said.
21:30 ben_vulpes modern ui tech is horrendously time intensive to make do things.
21:31 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: right! why does github need so many people around?
21:31 ben_vulpes or heroku?
21:31 ben_vulpes or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
21:31 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because ol' paul g. has many nephews ?
21:31 mircea_popescu anyway. i suppose what i do here is ima log in from a play box sometime, and push all the domains away in one session.
21:31 asciilifeform ... and the nephews have nephews ?
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if only. the fucktard's going to die alone like the raymond nobody loves.
21:32 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yeah
21:32 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'm personally astonished you held out this long
21:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: playbox << that's kinda what i did.
21:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
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21:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ditched namecheap ?
21:33 asciilifeform oh no
21:33 asciilifeform still there.
21:33 asciilifeform but used a 'play box'
21:33 asciilifeform that ran js etc
21:33 mircea_popescu ah
21:33 asciilifeform 'nosuchlabs' is there, that is
21:33 ben_vulpes oh man this is a riot
21:33 ben_vulpes the day mircea_popescu ran javascript
21:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'm told there are times when even rms runs js !
21:34 asciilifeform betcha he puts on a particular robe of mourning for the occasion
21:34 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes afaik opera runs a bunch of js.
21:34 mircea_popescu heck, if you recall trilema has a js based selectofunction.
21:34 ben_vulpes mhm
21:34 mircea_popescu just, this fucktardation is beyond the pale. it has TO WORK.
21:34 mircea_popescu who the fuck ok'd this is still a mystery my head can't wrap around.
21:35 ben_vulpes they cater to consumers. it's fine for them.
21:35 ben_vulpes ipxcore i don't think has any js.
21:35 asciilifeform vendor prolly tested for ie6 and called it a day
21:35 mircea_popescu o look! i get a 12 month free extension on transferred domains.
21:35 ben_vulpes lovely backyard vps provider that does domains too.
21:35 trinque can we kill dns and http yet?
21:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
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21:36 asciilifeform trinque: dns was never alive
21:36 asciilifeform so you can't kill it
21:36 trinque silver bullet then
21:36 asciilifeform stake
21:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome .
21:36 * asciilifeform behind the idiot www stack timez
21:36 * asciilifeform will next see it in hell, in a cauldron
21:37 mircea_popescu omfg but they have all the dnssec theatre ! !!! they;'re so credible, with their "And then we boot the single failure point laptop from ~~~a dvd~~~" bullshit.
21:37 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
21:37 trinque autoupdates too, so you're always safe
21:37 ben_vulpes dns, pro, lol
21:37 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes may i remind you of the "cryptsy couldn't move a bitcoin because doesn't have a bitcoin" ?
21:37 ben_vulpes dns is some dum shit
21:37 mircea_popescu the people "buying" domains like slug.dance are 98743985743987 people who ARE GOING TO, and 3 idiots that do.
21:37 ben_vulpes whatever, pennies for paupers and britni
21:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do you expect from a usg ministry. of course they have torchlight parades and weird masonic ritual
21:37 asciilifeform that sums to nil
21:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323561 << afaik this is not so. derps buy domains like there's no tomorrow, for no apparent reason
21:39 assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:35:56; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
21:39 mircea_popescu "Sergey Kabarukhin" << and they outsourced tech support to .ua
21:39 asciilifeform e.g., domains with their name, etc
21:40 mircea_popescu anyway, everyone that needs my domains : dig/write down ips, just in case.
21:45 trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/240MPHP.txt
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21:45 trinque ^ and so on
21:47 mircea_popescu trinque i dun own that one iirc.
21:48 mircea_popescu well, some of them.
21:49 mircea_popescu i now see the wisdom of your deed.
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22:02 asciilifeform i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet
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22:03 trinque apparently all these types in the west welcome conquest with an open ass
22:03 trinque so why would they
22:04 asciilifeform trinque: i still don't see it.
22:05 asciilifeform usg decided to burn eu, so it burns.
22:05 asciilifeform snore.
22:06 trinque don't know, there were a lot of guys dressed up just like soldiers in the streets in france today
22:07 trinque against 4 or whatever it was
22:07 trinque the cutter cuts but is not a victor because the cutting is her decision
22:07 asciilifeform oh fr is conquered
22:08 asciilifeform ... by usg.
22:08 ben_vulpes ;;later tell mod6 your auto reconnect a) doesn't auth b) leaks your ip
22:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:08 asciilifeform ... in 1945.
22:08 kakobrekla everyone leaks.
22:08 asciilifeform ^
22:08 trinque I fail to see how USG panopticon megastate can live any longer than the soviet megastate
22:08 trinque has the same problems
22:09 asciilifeform trinque: one had a ready devourer sitting by, waiting
22:09 asciilifeform other - not.
22:09 trinque so one infection, the other cancer?
22:10 asciilifeform if it is not clear why the difference matters, consider,
22:10 asciilifeform su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
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22:10 asciilifeform us - does not.
22:11 trinque how does one get coherent action out of a thing where there is so much internal conflict?
22:11 asciilifeform and since mircea_popescu is asleep, i must fill in for him and '... REAL MEN don't need warm places! they live on flesh of their enemies, and tree bark! in orbit!'
22:12 asciilifeform trinque: how does maniac swing an axe!?
22:12 asciilifeform consider how much conflict can be in his poor skull
22:12 asciilifeform and he still can swing.
22:12 trinque but we're discussing the logistics of massive empire
22:12 asciilifeform ask albert speere
22:13 trinque his thing was even shorter lived
22:13 asciilifeform aha but illustrative.
22:13 asciilifeform (incl. of 'empire with internal conflict but coherent action')
22:15 trinque for a time
22:15 trinque the effectiveness of the internal USG hierarchy is unknown to me
22:15 trinque if such a thing can be described, and it's not some other messier topology
22:15 asciilifeform effectiveness at what ?
22:16 asciilifeform if it's at keeping mircea_popescu's rusty nail baseball bat at bay, i dare say it still works
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22:16 trinque accomplishing operational goals
22:16 asciilifeform if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works
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22:16 asciilifeform if at preventing traffic jams - doesn't work, never has
22:16 trinque but "works" is not necessarily to say what topology it is
22:16 trinque perhaps pieces work
22:16 trinque and perhaps someone breaks them off in whole chunks
22:16 trinque attaches them to something else
22:17 trinque or runs them headlong into each other
22:17 asciilifeform all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower
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22:18 asciilifeform where i live.
22:18 asciilifeform on mars, where mircea_popescu et al live, perhaps sanity prevails.
22:19 trinque yep, I have only said what I do not know
22:19 asciilifeform but here, my phone's been ringing off the hook for a week, and it almost always turned out to be usg folks
22:19 asciilifeform (apparently not everyone got the memo that i'm a dalit)
22:19 trinque admirers eh?
22:20 phf election donations?
22:20 asciilifeform no
22:20 asciilifeform inquiries re: work for hire
22:20 phf oh god.
22:20 trinque this does not surprise me
22:21 asciilifeform trinque: not so many folks outside of usg need reversing.
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22:21 phf kaspersky lab!!1
22:22 trinque furthermore if I were an ogre allergic to sane computing, I would eat a man describing it
22:22 trinque :p
22:22 asciilifeform phf: i wouldn't hire a fella with u.s. passport if i were k.
22:22 asciilifeform in fact, i will lose all respect for k. if i ever learn that they did so.
22:23 asciilifeform trinque: none of the folks calling give a tinker's damn re: 'sane computing' or b-a reich or whatnot. they just want good ol'fashioned reversing.
22:23 asciilifeform but i'd still rather not perish in salt mine.
22:23 asciilifeform if can escape it.
22:26 trinque I don't care what work I do on this side of things; the stars were already coming unglued from the sky by the time I was born.
22:26 trinque but maybe asciilifeform is yet more alive
22:27 asciilifeform well as it is i have a little bit of energy & time to work on things that you lot consider mildly interesting
22:27 asciilifeform when i was in a salt mine - i did not
22:27 mats huh? I know several kaspersky employees that are americans
22:27 asciilifeform mats: and i remembered that i already lost respect, when i learned that they run shitblowz internally
22:28 asciilifeform so i can't exactly lose it again
22:29 ben_vulpes gotta love how quickly this guy goes from
22:29 ben_vulpes "gonna starve"
22:29 ben_vulpes to
22:29 mats the number of shops that don't, I can count on one hand
22:29 ben_vulpes "phone ringing off hook"
22:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja miss the line in the logz where i said ~who~ calls.
22:29 ben_vulpes the web is always there
22:29 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu's "street" for programmers
22:29 asciilifeform the nagant is also there.
22:29 mats and even those, hr types run it anyways, for word and excel and what not
22:30 asciilifeform mats: you can't count them because no public face.
22:30 asciilifeform pretty much everything with a public face and ANY 'hr types' is - by definition - salt mine.
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22:30 asciilifeform it is what it is.
22:31 phf agile consultants, HR, "junior developers", etc.
22:31 asciilifeform any of them.
22:31 mats b-a doesn't run winders and is also accurately described as salt mine
22:31 asciilifeform mats: where's the salt ?
22:32 phf asciilifeform: have you had your hands on thinkpad 755cd?
22:32 mats rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know
22:33 asciilifeform phf: the one with the folding keyboard ?
22:33 asciilifeform i had one, it died eons ago
22:34 asciilifeform or was that 705c.
22:34 asciilifeform what's so great about 755cd ?
22:36 asciilifeform 701c, it was.
22:36 asciilifeform not related.
22:38 phf it's a fanless 486, one of the first "multimedia" laptops, i.e. has cdrom and midi chip. seems like the kind of device to play sierra games on
22:39 phf i've been trying to track it down for a while now, was curious if you've had a personal experience with one. i suspect there are very few actual units around, though ebay has a steady supply of replacement parts
22:40 phf http://retro-pc.ucoz.ru/index/thinkpad_755cd_type_9545/0-321
22:40 assbot Коллекция ретро ноутбуков и прочих РС - ThinkPad 755CD (Type 9545) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvY0VH )
22:41 phf (and there are stats somewhere on thinkwiki)
22:41 asciilifeform wtf do you need the cdrom drive for !??
22:41 asciilifeform dunno about you, i've never once touched the ~disks~ for any of these gamez.
22:41 phf phantasmagoria? :)
22:42 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic"
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22:43 phf i think gabriel knight was also quite beefy..
22:43 asciilifeform the voice version aha
22:43 * asciilifeform never had any of the voice cd vers
22:44 asciilifeform 'cause they didn't fit through a 28k modem, naturally
22:47 phf i bought phantasmagoria of a stand in VDNKh back when the place was basically a giant electronics store, mixed with retrofuturist curio (holographic art exhibition! plasma globes!). it was a, heavily discounted, non-pirated version, but it took me forever to save up
22:47 asciilifeform neato
22:50 phf that 755cd has a completely weird feature, can remove screen back to use it with a transparency projector, http://img1.qq.com/digi/20060425/3566815.jpg
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QBKC7N )
22:52 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome . << In the last year and a half this seems to become "OMG NEW BEST PRAKATIZ"
~ 20 minutes ~
23:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what domains ?
~ 27 minutes ~
23:40 mircea_popescu in other news, the new registrar does not actually handle .ws or .bz apparently. so i got a bunch of other domains for proxies, whatevs.
23:40 mircea_popescu somebody really needs to write a better interwebs.
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5714 @ 0.00053179 = 3.0386 BTC [+] {4}
23:57 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323169 << o, rly? are they finally going to mention an MPEx property? I met Stephanie Murphy (one of that show's hosts) at porcfest. She claimed to have never heard of MPEx, to which I replied that she must be a USG stooge.
23:57 assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 21:46:32; pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
23:57 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323211 << lolz >> http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/ >> Stephanie Murphy of Let's Talk Bitcoin and her partner in crime Brian Sovryn provided the voice overs used as part of the marketing campaign.
23:57 assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 22:25:14; pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
23:58 assbot Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1YaisTO )
23:59 mircea_popescu danielpbarron people can be simply stupid/clueless/etc you know.
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