#trilema | 2015-11-09

might be worth a look to see what's what there.

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phf no big deal, s'just a game

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re the meat : all of these are major projects, the expectation, imo reasonable, is that whoever decides to work on one starts by publishing code, which will vehehehery likely need refactoring perhaps even redesign. because we're here shooting in the dark. so rather than managerial idiocy, i much prefer somnething like how v worked out.

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publish a prototype, im sure alf will be more than happy to look through it, plenty other people will test it etc.

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trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#911918

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Logged on 05-11-2014 23:25:15; mod6: yeah got this: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj

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maybe it was the charter

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phf: callouts to gpg are a dead end

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phf: and i specifically didn't go with cl because this thing CANNOT cons

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try to understand why, on your own

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asciilifeform they're not a dead end for the following reason : the P must be a stand-alone building block anyway.

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they'll, if nothing else, help us understand the api to it.

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standalone in the sense mpi was in gpg.

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(statically linked lib)

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but not separate process.

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standalone in the sense that ... well yes.

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but i want it to be one thing and everyone statically links IT

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aha.

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rather than five different reimplementations

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that's what i turned mpi into.

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punkman: what did those values in the URL stand for, and I can just regenerate them from what I pulled from your sqlite

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so in this sense the design is sane, as he has it. callout to "gpg", to be replaced by p

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'callout' means something particular, customarily

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he didn't use the word.

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'i wrote enough in c to be able to prime gpg machinery and send packets over the wire' suggested callout. but why not wait till phf wakes up and clarifies.

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aha.

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asciilifeform: gpgme doesn't exactly "calls out", it talks to gpg via a text protocol, but i agree with your overall point. gossip has a fixed set of crypto operations, that can be abstracted, until you finish your crypto state machine gizmo.

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can and moreover must be.

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if we manage to avoid the insane state of importing openssl bondogle to do crypto we're so far ahead of the game...

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already there.

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hm ?

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gpg didn't use openssl for anything

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nono i was making a simile

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ah

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as far as lisp, yeah, not practical for deployment, but i started getting bogged down in trivial serialization questions, before i understand clearly how the whole system is supposed to work. once i get the spec as is up, i want to start working through those comments to modify it into a udp lower level system. in any case lisp is better option for gossip prototype, because the spec is so open ended

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so gossipd is practically going to be lisp hand-compiled ot c ?

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yes

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phf: i actually started where you are now

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phf: but skipped straight to the c on account of realizing that 99+% of the work is precisely in getting this to behave sanely

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can lisp even be hand compiled to c ?

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i'm pretty bad a dijkstra programming, i need to see the system behave to reason clearly about it, and c is not it. besides the translation is the tirvial part

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mircea_popescu: in a very loose sense

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phf you're not required to agree to this inasmuch as you're using your own time & hands.

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write it in lua if that's genuinely what works for you.

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phf: the 'translation is trivial' is the mega-mistake. go and bake, e.g., a sane allocator.

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your unix box doesn't have such a thing. and neither did mine. or anybody else's.

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asciilifeform: boehm gc?

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phf ducks

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asciilifeform retches

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if you end in this situation where you have a beautiful prototype and a buggy implementation people are going to hate you.

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^

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it's a tried and true strategy, original javascript has been done that way. i recently learned that that's the way dot-net garbage collector was written

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and this is an example to follow ?!!!

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none of these work

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aha.

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not the best examples, i agree :>

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realize, i've been working on the abolition even of libc from the mix.

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actually, world famous memory hogs

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another mystery revealed.

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as in all of it

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i.e. system calls only?

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as in when the thing gets planted on a micro we change 3 lines.

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aha.

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this is rather ideal.

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when i say 'program is to be read', i do not mean in a metaphorical sense of 'most of it' or 'the important parts'

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but literal.

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'this parachute, i wrapped myself. signed, prv. xxxxx.'

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speaking of, so far what c code is written, it's written in cweb

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in what

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knuth c ?

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knuth literate thing, yes, the translator produces c files with relevant bits interpolated

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jurov: links in the declaration and qntra piece are afaik pointing to the right place, pending punkman's indication on how to generate the values he was using for URLs

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mircea_popescu is rather partial to the concept of "god damned it source code should be written in essay form what is this machine serving bs"

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also.

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deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3SVEM8H.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1MjlnSH )

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accepted: 1

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incidentally, the only case where a "source is the spec" could be excused, is properly written knuth c.

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only if the thing is entirely self-carrying.

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yes.

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as in, no #include <...>

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solely #include "..."

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hey, there's a principle there.

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obviously if you break the principle you break the principle.

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and builds as readily on tinycc as on gcc.

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etc

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i don't expect it would build on anything.

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i like that the end result can be wholly signed and produces a spiffy dvi for printing

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yes.

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it's certainly a "best practice" sorta thing

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it doesn't necessarily has to be particularly intrusive, i've looked at some of his "hacks", and they are very lightly annotated, but the partitioning still makes more sense that the direct flow of a c file

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whjat i mean by "best practices sorta thing" : nobody;'s going to hang you if you don't do it, but should seriously consider doing it.

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in any case that's, so far, the best option i found for keeping the evils of c at a slight distance. at least interested parties can read and inspect the code, without skipping tricky parts

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http://www.literateprogramming.com/cweb_download.html << very spiffy

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Literate Programming - CWEB ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hp7SUz )

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asciilifeform went on a literate prog kick some years ago

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^ linked for photos

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also http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/programs.html

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Error | Stanford Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hp83za )

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!b 2

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Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S504QB.txt )

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"error stanford computer science" is just abour righr.

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l0l!!

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haha

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i just assume that knuth stays in millenarian maths, periodically comming out to talk about generative Organ music

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moar of a centenarian imho

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otherwise no relation to stanford

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i dun think they have a millenarian cliff at s.

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try mgu

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i thought at mgu they just self-embalm, как завещал тов ленин

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l0l quite likely

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... are there any published recordings of knuths's organ ?

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asciilifeform tries, fails, to recall the name of the british prof who had himself embalmed and wheeled into faculty meetings long after his death

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* asciilifeform tries, fails, to recall the name of the british prof who had himself embalmed and wheeled into faculty meetings long after his death << Bentham

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https://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/who/autoicon << apparently

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Auto-Icon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hp95eq )

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trinque: the urls should be in the database, it was base58-encoded sha256 hashes

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'Not surprisingly, this peculiar relic has given rise to numerous legends and anecdotes. One of the most commonly recounted is that the Auto-Icon regularly attends meetings of the College Council, and that it is solemnly wheeled into the Council Room to take its place among the present-day members. Its presence, it is claimed, is always recorded in the minutes with the words Jeremy Bentham - present but not voting. Another ver

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sion of the story asserts that the Auto-Icon does vote, but only on occasions when the votes of the other Council members are equally split. In these cases the Auto-Icon invariably votes for the motion.'

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punkman: cool, thanks

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"

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However, the head proved an irresistible target for students, especially from King's College London, who stole the head in 1975 and demanded a ransom of £100 to be paid to the charity Shelter. UCL finally agreed to pay a ransom of £10 and the head was returned. "

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haha

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happy bday, serenissians !

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http://qntra.net/2015/11/mizzou-and-yale-experience-acute-unrest/ << nice one bb. major lulzfest.

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Mizzou and Yale Experience Acute Unrest | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1HC0EY9 )

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https://web.archive.org/web/20151107010454/http://yaleherald.com/op-eds/hurt-at-home/ << ftr. this is the original 'hurt at home' piece as published in, and since withdrawn from, the yale herald

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Hurt at home - The Yale Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HC0MXq )

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so question for engineers: I have an aluminum window casing that's corroding in a couple spots around the edges, and corroded part is growing outwards something like puffy/powdery flakes. been trying to find the technical term to no avail.

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technical term for corrosion ?

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"Christakis hasn’t checked in on any of us. He hasn’t given us any indication that he is going to or wants to heal the community. If you know I’m in pain and you aren’t doing anything to try to help me, then how can you be sorry? Christakis is the Master of Silliman College, it is his job to take care of us, and he is failing." << so much lose it wins.

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pete_dushenski: whatever it is that's happening. it looks pretty weird

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sounds like the protective anodised coating on your aluminum frames has lost the battle against mother nature

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maybe replace them with fibreglass ? or tell landlord to ?

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pete_dushenski just realised how shocked he'd be to find a fibreglass-framed window anywhere in greece

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how's fibreglass work for that

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fibreglass doesn't corrode

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also, because it expands and contracts at essentially the same rate as the glazing, the window seals are stressed markedly less, improving the system's longevity by reducing condensation and air infiltration

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though this similarity in the coefficient of expansion assumes a triple-glazing, which is relatively common here, whereas milder climates will use double, even single-glazed windows

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yeah I barely need windows here, only double-glaze

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hmm kinda looks like this one http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IJHRC8dgrWs/TUmIM3qKkLI/AAAAAAAAAAg/P9sfhkx_c5I/s1600/nimatoidis.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1HC1tA1 )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2015#1319928 << it's the exact same type of insane optimism that saw me blindsided by the last provincial and national election here, both of which went further left.

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Logged on 08-11-2015 16:45:02; mircea_popescu: hilary doesn't stand a chance, in this atmosphere. for that matter, it wouldn't be surprising if the democratic party splits up, in multiple bits even.

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punkman: that's some pretty bad pitting

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no pitting on mine, just that whitish growth

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guess I'll call the company that installed them

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pic http://i.imgur.com/rXf3tqw.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1HC2mc0 )

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punkman: that's some strange alright.

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if you hadn't said it was an aluminum frame, i wouldn't have believed it

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http://googleresearch.blogspot.ca/2015/11/computer-respond-to-this-email.html?m=1 << good god what is wrong with the heads of google employees

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Research Blog: Computer, respond to this email. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HC3goS )

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"answering email on your mobile is hard and time consuming, wouldn't your lives be better if ROBOTS REPLIED TO YOUR EMAILS FOR YOU ?"

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"But replying to email on mobile is a real pain, even for short replies." oh so Android sucks for doing anything?

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"Another bizarre feature of our early prototype was its propensity to respond with “I love you” to seemingly anything. As adorable as this sounds, it wasn’t really what we were hoping for. Some analysis revealed that the system was doing exactly what we’d trained it to do, generate likely responses -- and it turns out that responses like “Thanks", "Sounds good", and “I love you” are super common --

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so the system would lean on them as a safe bet if it was unsure. Normalizing the likelihood of a candidate reply by some measure of that response's prior probability forced the model to predict responses that were not just highly likely, but also had high affinity to the original message. This made for a less lovey, but far more useful, email assistant.

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Give it a try

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We’re actually pretty amazed at how well this works. We’ll be rolling this feature out on Inbox for Android and iOS later this week, and we hope you’ll try it for yourself! Tap on a Smart Reply suggestion to start editing it. If it’s perfect as is, just tap send. Two-tap email on the go -- just like Bálint envisioned."

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i thought it was one of those 'fun' prototypes for wanking each other off to. but it's actually being implemented.

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punkman: mobiles for for teh status

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which is why apple rules the roost

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and really has no competition

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apple = patek philippe heirloom quality phn0es

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except they stop working after a couple years

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what, like giving your child a legacy is free ? pff. don't be cheap. buy more $aapl

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not like patek philippe doesn't need $5k servicing every 3 years.

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ok, $2k servicing. but still !

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phf: thanks for the example code for cl-irc; works well. I'm now porting over the deed handling code from my wad of python.

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even the Google engineers don't want to use Android, while insisting mobile/touchscreen is teh "future".

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and incidentally adlai this one when finished will be released as a deed itself.

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punkman: if it mobile/touch wasn't teh future, they'd have to start looking for jobs that didn't require them to live in truck trailers in the parking lot

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...of their office

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2015#1320121 << /me has a usb 2.0 version on order. eager to add third monitor to set-up but not surprised to learn that they all use the same chip.

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Logged on 08-11-2015 18:56:46; asciilifeform: example. some months ago, i tried one of those 'usb 3.0 to flatpanel' gizmos.

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not one such 'graphics adapter' that i could find was produced by a manufacturer that i'd ever heard of. all seemed to be chinese 'brands', the type that horribly misspell labels

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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n21/patrick-cockburn/too-weak-too-strong << plausible sounding report on syria/isis these days

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Patrick Cockburn · Too Weak, Too Strong: Russia in Syria · LRB 5 November 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/20FSrxF )

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http://www.nrk.no/troms/mystisk-rodt-slim-dekker-millioner-av-kubikkmeter-i-fjorden-1.12643287

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Mystisk rødt slim dekker millioner av kubikkmeter i fjorden - NRK Troms - Lokale nyheter, TV og radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUhTn )

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"15-30 meter thick layer of jellyfish on the seabed"

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"they did a trawl pull the outer part of Lyngen in an area they normally receive both fish and shrimp. Trawler came up with large amounts of jellyfish and virtually no fish or shrimp."

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https://archive.is/JYcZ6 << it's not debtor's prison, it's 'coworking space' !!

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Coliving: A Solution for Lonely Millennials? - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUWUV )

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why the hell did they replace "Dorms for Grownups" with "Coliving" in title

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it's your impoverished future, america, better dress up this pig with all the lipstick you've got because she's gonna squeeeel !

↖ ↖

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because 'co-' is the new 'sustainable'

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'co-create', 'co-imagined', etc

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lot of senseless, meaningless blah blah to paper over failings, shortcomings, and inadequacies of an entire generation.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320410 << wunderbar. les jeux sont faits. and the board on which to play is as broad and wide as the prairies themselves.

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Logged on 09-11-2015 04:15:24; BingoBoingo: Oh, now the Atlantic supports FPH https://archive.is/MX5we

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pete_dushenski to bed

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trinque: glad to hear. in other news, looks like the tx for your ,,bc,tmsr~ signature got malleated

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320643 <<< I was unaware signatures could possess anything, therefore I believe the signature was or became malleated.

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Logged on 09-11-2015 11:36:12; adlai: trinque: glad to hear. in other news, looks like the tx for your ,,bc,tmsr~ signature got malleated

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adlai dials pedantry to 11: the bitcoin signature from 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES on 8f578344f5754cc1d7228506dfbd8ffe1c8fcbc017a5f8004026e3939493eea5:1 covering the transaction subsequently known as 52330ca416ea42e1d5a2d9be5874a8ab8fdc87ca100b068a164e6d4c1867d633 got malleated. this transaction happens to notarize another signature, of the gpg variety...

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hue

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trinque: fwiw deedbot- also seems to be using uncompressed addresses, perhaps a bug of the feature variety

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reasons left as an exercise to the alert sweeper

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funkenstein_

http://www.theonion.com/article/economists-estimate-human-civilization-still-years-51792 <-- t. hermann zwiebel reads the logs

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Economists Estimate Human Civilization Still Years Away From Turning Profit - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuyNhY )

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^ LOL

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lol

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humanity is the world's worst startup, then :-P

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<pete_dushenski> ok, $2k servicing. but still ! << What you can't do this at home?

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Or jsut take it to the local jewler for service. Warranties are overrated.

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dunno, maybe they service it with tunnelling microscope in hard vacuum

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Could be it

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320575 << word.

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Logged on 09-11-2015 06:51:39; pete_dushenski: also, because it expands and contracts at essentially the same rate as the glazing, the window seals are stressed markedly less, improving the system's longevity by reducing condensation and air infiltration

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320581 << how can it be optimism, yo ? for one thing i don't live there. for the other thing, the breakdown of their system is bad news for them. yes, it sucked, but like ankylosis, at lrast it held things together.

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Logged on 09-11-2015 06:58:14; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2015#1319928 << it's the exact same type of insane optimism that saw me blindsided by the last provincial and national election here, both of which went further left.

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now the arms are gonna start falling off.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320593 << gee, ik dunno... wouldn't it be nice if you STOPPED WITH THE BULLSHIT MOBILE ? on the grounds that it doesn't fucking work ?

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Logged on 09-11-2015 07:26:31; pete_dushenski: "answering email on your mobile is hard and time consuming, wouldn't your lives be better if ROBOTS REPLIED TO YOUR EMAILS FOR YOU ?"

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this fucking us insanity. step 1 : replace computer with phone, which does not work as computer ; step 2 : stop doing the things you used to do on compuer you can't now do on phone.

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they do it everywhere, step 1 : replace food with synthetic condensate, which doesn't work as food ; 2 : go to doctor to cure your problems arising from the fact that you don't eat food, you eat tyres and wd40.

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completely fucking nuts.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320598 << HOW WELL it works ? how the fuck could it work well. it's just http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-3043.48-3043.123 to the power of nine thousand.

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Logged on 09-11-2015 07:27:12; pete_dushenski: We’re actually pretty amazed at how well this works. We’ll be rolling this feature out on Inbox for Android and iOS later this week, and we hope you’ll try it for yourself! Tap on a Smart Reply suggestion to start editing it. If it’s perfect as is, just tap send. Two-tap email on the go -- just like Bálint envisioned."

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Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NECmTU )

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re: 'mobile' answering robot: why not cut to the chase and do a full 'dead souls' with eliza in place of the luser.

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then let the customized elizas noise at each other, ad infinitum

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"They have again and again shown that they are committed to an ideal of free speech, not to the Silliman community."

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can confirm, a bot on tardstalk yields gems

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dude what is this inept shit lmao.

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college is only alma mater IRONICALLY ffs.

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asciilifeform seems to be the plan for "continued economic growth"

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aha, as in that orlol

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im kinda miffed we don't get moar of the "precious indications at the xth congress" solemnity.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2014#575704

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Logged on 23-03-2014 01:48:22; asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html

10:07

^ it

10:07

soviets ashamed of themselves ? sort-of like going to the strip club to watch a bunch of nude ladies bent like teens and protecting their pubenda.

10:08

"Its unacceptable when the Master of your college is dismissive of your experiences."

10:08

bvwahaha

10:08

o god i gotta stop.

10:08

who the fuck is Jencey Paz

10:09

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320606 << no you're supposed to do it by yourself like in those ads! teach 9yo all about how their hands aren't steady and the intricate mechanisms that make the world tick HATE THEM

10:09

Logged on 09-11-2015 07:30:51; pete_dushenski: not like patek philippe doesn't need $5k servicing every 3 years.

10:09

valuable life lesson.

10:09

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320690 <<< this guy's shibboleth

10:09

Logged on 09-11-2015 15:07:30; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2014 01:48:22; asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html

10:10

i thought 'teach 9yo all about how their hands aren't steady' is what you do at the rifle range

10:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320609 << in the expression of tlp, "more of the same and less of everything"

10:10

Logged on 09-11-2015 07:31:22; punkman: even the Google engineers don't want to use Android, while insisting mobile/touchscreen is teh "future".

10:10

that's the future.

10:10

asciilifeform nah, that's where you teach them they're chickenshits. remember the vacuum ?

10:10

hm?

10:11

this buran item, made out of solid steel, huge noise. i said it scared the shit out of me and iirc you said the same

10:11

oh, it!

10:11

http://64.img.avito.st/640x480/153118764.jpg << him

10:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1NEDQ0j )

10:11

fucking jet engine

10:11

it even looked like a jet engine.

10:11

sure did

10:12

gotta love the finish on that thing

10:12

how is that even made.

10:12

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mircea_popescu actually said "well obviously" in class when learning about teh space race from soviet perspective. "FIRST SATELLITE!111"

10:12

asciilifeform exactly that.

10:12

from what i understand, it's knifed and enameled.

10:13

to me that thing (and perhaps the bk0010 micro) is emblematic of all that was ~good~ and right about su

10:13

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mircea_popescu is fucking tempted to try and find one here. i bet you it exists.

10:13

do an unboxing or what's it called.

10:13

aha i'd have one if it didn't 220v

10:13

o but alfie. argentina does 220 :D

10:13

aha.

10:14

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1970-VACUUM-CLEANER-BURAN-RUSSIAN-USSR-220V-390W-WORK-BOX-/271892056926 << l0l, exists

10:14

VINTAGE 1970 VACUUM CLEANER * BURAN * RUSSIAN USSR * 220V * 390W * WORK * BOX * ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEEdYB )

10:14

i tell you... the fact that that textile hose NEVER DISATTACHED from the metal end.

10:14

i never thought this possible, it struck me as a bad idea. it dies there.

10:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00056147 = 22.6834 BTC [+] {4}

10:14

i think they have steel mesh reinforcement inside that's welded to the inner tube

10:15

sure did.

10:15

the textile is just decor, not a structural element.

10:15

dude i'd so pay 400 bux for this.

10:15

the hose is armoured, like the fuel line for icbm

10:15

hoses were srs business (tm) in su

10:16

llol

10:16

i'd never actually seen the original box these came in until now

10:16

(ebay link)

10:16

mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR << based on last statement this contract will be changed correct?

10:16

yeah my grandparents had the box. it was fascinating because tube in tube!

10:16

stamped 'runs on alternating ~and~ direct current'

10:16

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asciilifeform did not know!

10:16

yeah.

10:17

thestringpuller: Seems like it would make more sense to stick the deed below the original contract on the page.

10:17

thestringpuller probably not.

10:17

the truth is i don't have a good solution to evolving contracts, and this is all part of exploring that space.

10:17

there's more to lyf than just coding. not that legal documents aren't coding anyway.

10:17

It's the incorporation papers, original kinda has to stick around

10:17

yeah.

10:17

mircea_popescu: i'll buy it for you, pay me back later, if you can supply a ship point

10:18

asciilifeform well, bring it along next you visit i guess ?

10:18

i'd buy it myself but can't be arsed to handle the importation.

10:18

even import of a soviet vacuum is mega-ordeal in ar ?

10:18

from motherfucking bulgaria ?

10:18

dollars to donuts the item also exists in argentina, but been way too lazy to go through the NUMEROUS antiguedades markets.

10:18

perhaps kakobrekla ought to try pickign it up

10:19

hard to believe it was only 390W !

10:19

for the noise it made... i'd have expected 1-2 mw.

10:19

aha!

10:20

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asciilifeform wallowz in nostalgia

10:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320622 << this is how the sea works.

10:21

Logged on 09-11-2015 07:58:09; punkman: "they did a trawl pull the outer part of Lyngen in an area they normally receive both fish and shrimp. Trawler came up with large amounts of jellyfish and virtually no fish or shrimp."

10:21

i get it, fucktarded narcissist generation expects the sea to how did that go, "Its unacceptable when the Master of your college is dismissive of your experiences."

10:22

nevertheless, the fucking point of the sea is that you get what you get not what you expect to get.

10:22

and when doesn't get, orders the sea whipped ?

10:23

no, see, more perfidious than that (which perfidy clearly proves he is full aware of the whole stack) : he PRETENDS TO FIX IT! orders carbon credits whipped.

10:23

same process, mentally, loads and loads and LOADS of "plausible deniability" sugar on top.

10:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320627 <<< how unfortunate for them that in an entire sea of idiots either lapping up the entire protective nonsense ("don't be mean" / "privilege is bad" / "sociopaths!111 don't careabout THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES111") or else too cognitively impaired to get much further than a vague feeling of existential nausea

10:24

Logged on 09-11-2015 08:08:51; pete_dushenski: it's your impoverished future, america, better dress up this pig with all the lipstick you've got because she's gonna squeeeel !

10:24

there exists a tiny island that's perfectly equipped to laugh them into the dirt.

10:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00056437 = 14.1375 BTC [+]

10:25

if i were them i'd kill us.

10:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320627 <<< transactions do not notarize documents. the final address at which the funds end up does. this is by design, and for this reason (in its general form : miners can fuck txn up, but not actually spend funds / control addresses)

10:27

Logged on 09-11-2015 08:08:51; pete_dushenski: it's your impoverished future, america, better dress up this pig with all the lipstick you've got because she's gonna squeeeel !

10:27

uh i meant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320647

10:27

Logged on 09-11-2015 11:49:35; *: adlai dials pedantry to 11: the bitcoin signature from 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES on 8f578344f5754cc1d7228506dfbd8ffe1c8fcbc017a5f8004026e3939493eea5:1 covering the transaction subsequently known as 52330ca416ea42e1d5a2d9be5874a8ab8fdc87ca100b068a164e6d4c1867d633 got malleated. this transaction happens to notarize another signature, of the gpg variety...

10:32

and now, off to eat cold HOMEMADE pizza in bed. turns out i live just like a coder, the only difference being the little differences. like slave labour.

10:32

or no. not like slave labour. like everything else but that.

10:33

'coder' eats pizza that died at least three times.

10:33

so not quite same.

10:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00056712 = 21.7207 BTC [+] {2}

10:42

happy birthday La Serenissima

10:42

(belated)

10:43

real 'coderz' eat pizza hot pockets.

10:44

shinohai: i thought that was gamers...

10:45

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/09/mother-murdered-chicago-boy-defends-buying-new-car/?intcmp=trending

10:45

Mother of murdered Chicago boy, 9, fuels outrage after buying new car | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZvezC )

10:52

https://i.imgur.com/MbxRK17.png

10:52

... ( http://bit.ly/1WIGMyF )

10:53

https://veuwer.com/i/3cfy.jpg

10:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1WIGSGL )

10:54

kakobrekla

sorry to disappoint, i have a better vacuum cleaner that that. was about same price.

10:54

kakobrekla

than that*

10:58

http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s3957018.shtml << The face of addiction

10:58

WNYT.com - Walmart store employee accused of stealing food ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIHgoz )

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27656 @ 0.00056851 = 15.7227 BTC [+] {3}

11:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16444 @ 0.00056889 = 9.3548 BTC [+] {2}

11:13

https://archive.is/6DbLR

11:13

Couple face £2,500 fine for using an anti-child gadget on 'screaming' kids | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZyStn )

11:23

So the Toomin guy finally got a block just a bit over 1MB on Testnet, and now he's reorging testnet back to core rules demonstrating Altcoin security is shit and that they really don't want people testing blocks anywere near 8MB until the raeping

11:28

[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1219/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jan-2016/#b19

11:28

[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Gold to drop under $1000 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1220/gold-to-drop-under-1000-before-jan-2016/#b10

11:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14956 @ 0.00056941 = 8.5161 BTC [+] {3}

11:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31766 @ 0.00056981 = 18.1006 BTC [+]

11:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53331 @ 0.00056981 = 30.3885 BTC [+]

11:41

<assbot> Mother of murdered Chicago boy, 9, fuels outrage after buying new car << i thought muricans loved cars.

11:41

love envy moar ?

11:41

of course

11:42

BingoBoingo doh.

11:42

"people". who the fuck cares what the dead people say.

11:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00056996 = 39.2987 BTC [+] {4}

11:47

ghosts?

11:59

[Qntra] Wolfe Resigns At Mizzou Surrending To Pressure - http://qntra.net/2015/11/wolfe-resigns-at-mizzou-surrending-to-pressure/

12:00

title fxd

12:11

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rumblr-tinder-fighting-app-launch-beta-nov-9-article-1.2427623

12:11

... ( http://bit.ly/1NEXV6N )

12:15

http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/564075b19dd7cc24008c829c-868-883/screen%20shot%202015-11-09%20at%2010.29.31%20am.png

12:15

... ( http://bit.ly/1XZOBNP )

12:16

BingoBoingo: lol, not bad

12:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00057021 = 34.2411 BTC [+] {3}

~ 17 minutes ~

12:40

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/11/cell-phone-may-be-involved-in-cryotherapy-death.html

12:40

... ( http://bit.ly/1XZRApg )

12:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25190 @ 0.00056935 = 14.3419 BTC [-]

12:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31815 @ 0.00056889 = 18.0992 BTC [-] {3}

12:57

!up ascii_field

12:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320822 << the $64k question, of course, is: did the coroner whack the ln2'd stiff with a little hammer, like a sausage in physics school ?

12:57

Logged on 09-11-2015 17:40:46; BingoBoingo: http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/11/cell-phone-may-be-involved-in-cryotherapy-death.html

13:00

<punkman> http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/564075b19dd7cc24008c829c-868-883/screen%20shot%202015-11-09%20at%2010.29.31%20am.png << http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/images/HodgePodge.gif

13:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1XZOBNP )

13:00

... ( http://bit.ly/1NF56M9 )

13:00

o look at that, "Central bank and government combined balance sheet"

13:01

ie, state ownership of [what's left of the] economy ?

13:01

aww.

13:01

in fairness all soviets to date pretended that they are special, and all the other failures of socialism were due to you know, those not being real socialism. this is the first pass around the stupid block when the supreme soviet actualy claims it's not doing socialism at all.

13:02

what a great plan, how could it fail!

13:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00055399 = 20.83 BTC [-] {5}

13:07

mircea_popescu: hey it's already a command economy

13:08

(at least on this side of the atlantic)

13:08

yeah, just moving into the blessed state where the commands no longer do anything.

13:10

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ascii_field still astounded by the sheer genius of the ln2 suicide machine

13:10

it just needs an ultrasonic thing to powder the icicle

13:11

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ben_vulpes waves from the small and unimportant parts

13:11

lol are you in the tonsils ?

13:12

and i distinctly recall ln2 powdering being offered as a sort of alt-cremation service somewhere

13:14

http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/132846994134/having-10-female-visitors-on-devopsreactions

13:14

Having 10% female visitors on devopsreactions - DevOps Reactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NF85Ec )

13:14

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ben_vulpes will now refer to this corner of the us as "the tonsils"

13:14

wut

13:14

maybe the appendix

13:15

also how in satan's name does 'google analytic' or anything like it have any notion of sex or other biographical minutiae ?

13:15

jesus what is this retarded shit. the gender gap ? on tumblr ?

13:15

as reported by google ?

13:16

where is that ultrasonic freezer ray or what was it.

13:16

ascii_field "useless information is worse than no information, because idiots will now think they know something"

13:16

i get the chumpatronic aspect, but find it hard to believe that anyone could be fooled

13:17

it has to be one of those item built specifically for the eager self-deluded

13:17

nobody needs to actulaly be fooled. just as long as they keep churning out this sort of crud and it's being reacted to, it's really no different from the idiot who "ai"replies to emails and imagines that this imbalance of power with his readership is useful to him

13:18

question is why isn't tumblr raging against binary gender web analytics

13:18

same exact fucking process, in the words of carlin, "a group of people trying to fuck each other a little deeper, a little faster, every time".

13:18

and now when ben_vulpes asks me about 'why is www dev work satanic' i can also link to this thread.

13:18

ascii_field incidentally, you know the joke with the two jews and the piece of dog turd ?

13:18

the one that is eaten for free ?

13:18

yes.

13:18

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2013#422029

13:18

Logged on 15-12-2013 01:16:17; asciilifeform: two drunks each pay the other $100 to eat spoon of shit.

13:19

that's exactly "us economy|" : i will eat your moderately stinky shit and call it hamburger if you eat this very runny shit and call it a slurpee.

13:19

this is "economic growth" to these muppets.

13:20

and the problem is insoluble, because shit drives away the food.

13:20

when it's this XOR wagner'n'cyanide time, most folks pick the former

13:20

and even when it isn't.

13:20

kid getting to choose college will predictably not go to the one that actually teaches something.

13:21

l0l where's that

13:21

used to be. their slow death was chronicled in that brit's piece linked in the log on occasion.

13:21

ah, them!

13:22

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ascii_field went to the tail end of something quite like it

13:22

iirc phf also did

13:22

by now, obviously kid is more likely to "go to college" than summon up his entire extended family and make each person eat some of his shit at a great family reunion, "because you people suck"

13:23

"no mom, i'm not holding a wedding. i'm holding a "you people suck" party, attendance is mandatory, and you will all have to delight in my excrement while telling me how just like pork and beans it tastes"

13:23

because sure as hell i'm not doing it to your dumbass excrement.

13:24

i don't suppose a generation war - in the proper, 20th century sense, with mass rapes, mass graves and concentration camps - was ever this morally necessary. forget justified, it's not that it's justified, it is that it's a sine qua non mandatory requirement, just like hanging the nazis.

13:26

now consider that nero lived in very similar times, and all of a suden you might see the lad as a very heroic figure.

13:26

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mircea_popescu is persuaded that if he lived at that time, he would have also set rome on fire and fiddled while it burned, also made horses senators and in general, the whole nine yards. it's a historical necessity.

13:28

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320845 << guess the result would be suitable as cow feed

13:28

Logged on 09-11-2015 18:12:09; ascii_field: and i distinctly recall ln2 powdering being offered as a sort of alt-cremation service somewhere

13:32

such ire

13:32

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ben_vulpes quite pleased with the morning gifselection

13:33

ascii_field: contrary to popular opinion i don't need much educating on the satanicity of wwwwork

13:34

!up ascii_field

13:35

mircea_popescu: this is when i confess that i always saw n as a hero

13:35

since i was a boy.

13:35

and for precisely this reason.

13:35

~somebody~'s gotta garbagecollect dead things.

13:35

ideas, people, ..., civilizations.

13:38

"Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me."

~ 58 minutes ~

14:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55392 @ 0.0005536 = 30.665 BTC [-] {3}

14:46

my o my... halacious storm here

14:46

hail and everything

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00055283 = 34.8283 BTC [-] {2}

14:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44884 @ 0.00055103 = 24.7324 BTC [-]

~ 25 minutes ~

15:23

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_book_of_mormon_missionary_positions_is_the_one_gay_sex_manual

15:23

‘The Book of Mormon Missionary Positions’ is the one gay sex manual that is TOTALLY SAFE FOR WORK|Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y0h4mD )

~ 34 minutes ~

15:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48476 @ 0.00055482 = 26.8955 BTC [+] {4}

15:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00055104 = 18.4047 BTC [-] {2}

16:07

https://i.imgur.com/iLzj23m.jpg

16:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1NZXout )

16:07

lo

16:07

aha

16:08

also this: http://www.parhlo.com/colombian-farmer-finds-pablo-escobars-600000000-buried-on-his-farm/

16:08

!up ascii_field

16:09

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/nsa-ordered-stop-collecting-querying-plaintiffs-phone-records << l0lz

16:09

^ usg 'plays chess with self'

16:10

in other nyooz, 'Historically, NSA has released more than 91 percent of vulnerabilities discovered in products that have gone through our internal review process and that are made or used in the United States. The remaining 9 percent were either fixed by vendors before we notified them or not disclosed for national security reasons.' (from nsa.gov)

16:11

as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2014#742046

16:11

Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'

16:14

'It's not clear what will happen to the money as of now, but many speculate that Jose Mariena Cartolos will not be allowed to keep the money and it will be taken by the Colombian Government and probably spent on improving the life of poor farmers all over the country.' << l0l, oughta have found a bitcoin pit instead ?

16:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00055104 = 25.3754 BTC [-]

16:18

but yes, iirc we had a thread where i noted that if i were to find a 747 packed with benjies in my back yard, it would make no measurable difference in my standard of living and would in fact be at least annoying

16:19

16:19

Logged on 22-08-2015 22:07:45; mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your

16:23

ascii_field: cause you don't know how to launder money?

16:24

thestringpuller: 'don't know' doesn't begin to describe it.

16:24

first step is to buy a cash business under the table like a restaurant or movie theatre or car wash

16:24

then you pad the revenue

16:24

you don't get it, do you

16:25

I've been in the money laundering business from the USG side.

16:25

i guess "anti money laundering business"

16:25

i couldn't so much as to buy a bottle of rotgut 'under the table'

16:25

What happens if you do?

16:25

require 10,001 things that i don't have.

16:25

mainly abilities/proclivities/experiences/intuitions.

16:26

incl. a basic meatspace social life

16:26

'i can't fly without airplane' -- 'what happens if you do?'

16:27

hmmm good point. just interesting someone as intelligent as you hasn't thought about ways to launder money.

16:27

you still don't get it

16:27

it isn't about ~thinking~

16:27

it is about being a certain thing

16:27

what is this "certain thing"

16:28

you don't want to cross the line of being a 'criminal'?

16:28

again it isn't about 'don't want'

16:28

it is about lacking the most elementary ability.

16:28

it's about you don't have access to XYZ? (aka people/tools/skills/etc. to support such a scheme"

16:28

you know how some folks cannot ride a bicycle, no matter what ?

16:28

)

16:28

yes this I understand

16:28

or tone deaf person trying to play piano

16:29

aha.

16:29

well if 747 crashses near you full of benjies I'll gladly take it off your hands

16:29

still, with an airplane full of benjies, you would at least be able to buy, say, food without raising red flags

16:30

hence why i said 'no measurable difference'

16:30

cost of food is rounding error where i am.

16:30

What about say a nice night with the pet at the fanciest restaurant in town?

16:31

even.

16:31

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ascii_field prefers usually to eat at home

16:31

^- #luvit

16:39

!up ascii_field

16:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00055028 = 32.2189 BTC [-] {4}

16:41

it's cute how you all want to convert alf into a criminal :D

16:41

hey i'm already a criminal in the sense contemplated in mircea_popescu's article re: same

16:41

just, with none of the up-sides

16:43

Hey I'm down to start a crime syndicate with ascii_field ; he'd be a great brain behind the operation

16:43

l0l

16:43

and then MP as the ruthless leader that no one sees

16:44

Pablo Escobar will seem tame compared to what we could do!

16:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00055005 = 9.4334 BTC [-]

16:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00055117 = 5.0156 BTC [+]

16:51

http://u.zeptobars.ru/yuot/581 << unrelated, spiffy

16:51

Index of /yuot/581/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1O00Mp6 )

16:51

^ ic re pr0n

16:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00055005 = 21.727 BTC [-] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

17:08

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/

17:08

Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )

17:15

!up ascii_field

17:22

ascii_field which one ? criminal from at least two angles according to the very generous trilema inquisition.

17:23

the one where anybody in usa, other than possibly a coma patient, is 'criminal'

17:23

right

17:27

trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american << twas this one, no?

17:27

it

17:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53415 @ 0.00054888 = 29.3184 BTC [-] {5}

17:30

has anyone ever made any soviet-era art of mircea_popescu?

17:31

propoganda posters

17:32

not unless you count http://trilema.com/2011/fototeca-de-haur/

17:32

Fototeca de Haur on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvLg56 )

17:33

i have never seen these jewfro pics

17:34

YES

17:34

hehehe

17:36

!up TravisPatron

17:38

http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-nominated-nobel-prize-economics-bhagwan-chodry-2015-11 << apparently the joke was srs

17:38

Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto nominated for Nobel Prize in Economics - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvM61U )

17:40

TravisPatron

https://diginomics.com/bitcoin-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-nominated-nobel-prize/ What are the chances Satoshi wins?

17:40

Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Nominated for Nobel Prize - Diginomics ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7aiCe )

17:42

meanwhile buterin's waterfall reloaded by usg with another 44,000 btc, or so tells völkischer beobachter

17:45

!up ascii_field

17:49

was wondering where that little pump came from

17:51

you don't take the china theory?

17:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00055199 = 16.7253 BTC [+] {2}

18:03

http://qntra.net/2015/11/wolfe-resigns-at-mizzou-surrending-to-pressure/#comment-74534

18:03

Wolfe Resigns At Mizzou Surrendering To Pressure | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvPB8m )

18:06

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/alexio_marziano/26796211/1505953/1505953_original.png << just like in ro, schoolgirls in su had these. never saw photo before tho

18:06

... ( http://bit.ly/1L7doGn )

18:06

mircea_popescu ^

18:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50184 @ 0.00055443 = 27.8235 BTC [+] {5}

18:21

*

pete_dushenski is enjoying leftover, homemade mamaliga cu brinza from last night. still delicious the next day !

18:22

the dill's what makes this dish, though whether this is a traditional ingredient, i couldn't say

18:23

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320669 << schadenfreudally optimistic ;)

18:23

Logged on 09-11-2015 14:57:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320581 << how can it be optimism, yo ? for one thing i don't live there. for the other thing, the breakdown of their system is bad news for them. yes, it sucked, but like ankylosis, at lrast it held things together.

18:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40922 @ 0.00054816 = 22.4318 BTC [-] {2}

18:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320672 << this 'mobile' thing has reached the tipping point. i now have family friends in their 60s telling me not to do my banking on my 'mobile' at the local cafe lest i be cyberhacked to pieces

18:24

Logged on 09-11-2015 14:58:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320593 << gee, ik dunno... wouldn't it be nice if you STOPPED WITH THE BULLSHIT MOBILE ? on the grounds that it doesn't fucking work ?

18:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00054816 = 9.5106 BTC [-] {2}

18:38

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320660 << why would you ? you wouldn't for the same reason that you wouldn't apply your own lawn pesticides : you have other people for that

18:38

Logged on 09-11-2015 13:41:59; BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ok, $2k servicing. but still ! << What you can't do this at home?

18:38

FU I apply my own lawn herbicides

18:39

Also, why apply lawn pesticides? I like bees.

18:39

BingoBoingo: duh. you're not in the 1%

18:39

Lawncare's relaxing

18:40

http://www.lullabymilk.com/ << only monday, yes, but this is in the running for lulziest product of the week award

18:40

lullaby milk, sleep, cows milked before daylight, melatonin ... ( http://bit.ly/1WNrL9s )

18:40

"Lullaby Milk only contains milk taken from the cows before daybreak. Melatonin is produced in the cows as they sleep, and so the milk produced before daybreak has naturally higher levels of melatonin."

18:41

this is perhaps even funnier for anyone who's ever seen a baby get 'milk drunk' before passing out

18:41

from mother's milk

18:42

lol

18:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320801 << i accidentally stumbled into #bitcoinxt for the first time this morning, only to witness exactly this, to which gavin chimed in with a 'great work toomin!' to much personal amusement

18:44

Logged on 09-11-2015 16:23:54; BingoBoingo: So the Toomin guy finally got a block just a bit over 1MB on Testnet, and now he's reorging testnet back to core rules demonstrating Altcoin security is shit and that they really don't want people testing blocks anywere near 8MB until the raeping

18:44

almost tempting to go back there

18:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18910 @ 0.00055682 = 10.5295 BTC [+] {2}

18:50

Eh, dun you have an army of social media mercenaries to build?

18:51

Also a bebe to raise?

18:54

i do, i do indeed :)

19:06

Did you start putting the bebe to work yet?

19:07

i'm waiting until he figures out whose little baby fists keep punching him in the face.

19:07

until he can work his way through this process of elimination, ima let kids be kids :)

19:09

I see

19:17

ag3nt_zer0

pete_dushenski: just wanted to say thanks for the great reads over at Contravex... also, thanks for that minor comment regarding my skills with the students that one day... it means something

19:17

ag3nt_zer0: don't mention it

19:18

general q : are there any documents or text floating about that were verifiably pgp-signed by satoshi ? inquiring minds...

19:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00054816 = 13.8136 BTC [-] {2}

19:33

https://grouponvouchersettlement.com/ << anyone here every tried one of these class action dealios ?

19:34

pretty sure i'm eligible for this groupon one. i dun see why i shouldn't give it a go.

19:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00055682 = 5.6796 BTC [+] {2}

19:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00054816 = 12.361 BTC [-]

19:42

haha cute.

19:43

pete_dushenski: once or twice a year i get a check for $10 or so from them.

19:43

ascii_field www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-nominated-nobel-prize-economics-bhagwan-chodry <<< lmao usg trying to resurect the gavin clown ?

19:43

hey, chances are pretty good, if obama got one, the road is open for any monkey irrespective of merit or competence.

19:43

the nobelwood prizes!

19:44

ascii_field> meanwhile buterin's waterfall reloaded by usg with another 44,000 btc << can't afford to lose bitbet bet :D

19:45

<pete_dushenski> the dill's what makes this dish though whether this is a traditional ingredient, i couldn't say << certainly not.

19:45

didn't think so... but oh my was it fine !

19:46

anyways, the satoshi nobel thing is a few days old : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318943

19:46

Logged on 06-11-2015 22:32:00; adlai: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bhagwan-chowdry/i-shall-happily-accept-th_b_8462028.html "Satoshi Nakamoto already is in possession of several hundred million U.S. dollars worth of bitcoins so the additional prize money may not mean much to him. Only if he wants, the committee could also transfer the prize money to my bitcoin address, 165sAHBpLHujHbHx2zSjC898oXEz25Awtj. Mr Nakamoto and I will settle

19:47

i really vote for gavin to do the impersonation. he's so talented for it! also has costume!

19:47

http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1625175.ece << usually allergic to 'new' books, but this looked too interesting to pass up.

19:47

Pavlov’s parables | TLS ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJNrsw )

19:48

ftr, not my review, my copy is en route

19:48

mircea_popescu: you really vote ;)

19:48

lol

19:48

well anyway.

19:49

ben_vulpes: hey neat

19:49

Headline win http://investmentwatchblog.com/illinois-school-discriminated-against-male-student-by-refusing-to-let-him-shower-with-naked-girls-obamas-education-dept-rules/

19:49

win.

19:53

in equally riveting news, real or fake ? http://41.media.tumblr.com/9110b350acf1bce4fdf46cf7b99aed58/tumblr_ms381lKa3V1rso06oo1_1280.jpg

19:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1HDLAJx )

19:53

*

pete_dushenski sadly discovers that he's ineligible for groupon pwnage because not a resident of Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, or Washington.

19:54

how come americans get all the breaks ?

20:00

oh content thyself with not living in this insanely litigious 'soi-disant' state

20:00

We don't if you take the pitty check you forfeit your right to actual compensation down th eline

20:01

> actual compensation

20:01

haha bb you kill me

20:02

actual compensation, flag on Reichstag?

20:02

Seriously ben_vulpes gotta read the small print. Probably in the near future going to be disclaimers leik "By accepting this you forfeit any claims to our anus in the name of TMSR"(tm)(r)

20:04

anyone writing contracts mentioning tmsr~ without being in the wot's looking for a paddlin

20:05

pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations/#comment-34659

20:05

It takes more than time. It takes generations. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMeqq )

20:05

Which is why they might start.

20:06

asciilifeform: didja use <blockquote> tags ?

20:06

20:06

*quote

20:06

why the 'cite' ?

20:06

quite the block, that citation.

20:07

that mighta been the issue

20:07

b0rk3d

20:07

i'll clean it up :)

20:07

ty

20:08

deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FFSQG1.txt

20:08

... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMlCn )

20:08

accepted: 1

20:08

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321050 << aha. but when i first saw it, i thought it to be a gag

20:08

Logged on 10-11-2015 00:46:43; pete_dushenski: anyways, the satoshi nobel thing is a few days old : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318943

20:08

adlai: didja make a 'deedbot-fs' and using it for backups now?

20:08

or what.

20:09

adlai: vV? MMM? vJ?

20:09

if you wanna make him charge per kB, this is probably how.

20:09

asciilifeform: probably just trying to wind mircea_popescu up on other avenues

20:10

asciilifeform: the satoshi nobel thing is, yes, sort of a gag in the sense that browntown has 'suggested' that satoshi be nominated, not ~actually~ nominated him

20:10

and used his position of 'suggestor' to angle for a free buck

20:12

oh for fucks sake adlai

20:14

http://imgur.com/7hNKXMi

20:14

Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMGEZ )

20:14

was this really necessary.

20:15

^ contents of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321085

20:15

Logged on 10-11-2015 01:08:09; adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FFSQG1.txt

20:15

phillips exeter, y'say?

20:15

how'd you pull that out, asciilifeform?

20:15

with hands.

20:22

;;later tell adlai how do you get to be a chandrasekhar in israel ? and why so depressed.

20:22

!up PeterL

20:22

gribble

The operation succeeded.

20:22

!up Evolyn

20:22

PeterL

greetings, earthlings

20:22

Greetings our beloved cook

20:23

PeterL: greetings herr organiker

20:23

asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations/#comment-34662

20:23

It takes more than time. It takes generations. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDN86m )

20:23

unfortunately, that's all the time i have for now. later gents !

20:28

ben_vulpes will now refer to this corner of the us as "the tonsils" << haha.

20:32

http://deedbot.org/bundle-375398.txt

20:32

... ( http://bit.ly/1HDNzO1 )

~ 36 minutes ~

21:08

http://takimag.com/article/mugging_me_softly_jim_goad#axzz3qgxdcog9

21:08

Mugging Me Softly - Taki's Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDPTEO )

21:22

'When I met my friend for dinner and told him what happened, he speculated that I was being set up for a soft mugging, which is a term for when homeless people attach themselves to you and wont leave until you give them some money.'

21:23

^ i call this 'megging'

21:23

and it's a thing.

21:24

It's totally a thing

21:27

http://jimgoad.net/images/coexist.jpg

21:27

... ( http://bit.ly/1MT0CTt )

21:27

^ From author's site

21:37

hanbot

I stopped, looked him straight in the eyes, and said, Whats going on here? Why are you following me? << seriously? what happened to "fuck off"? "Oh, --*-of CoUrSe-*-- I could've kung fu-ed..." but you didn't, schmuckelodeon. passive aggressive nonsense already, no wonder he's prey.

21:39

asciilifeform what was that all about ?

~ 17 minutes ~

21:56

;;ticker --market all

21:57

gribble

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 376.22, vol: 30395.91427305 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 372.5, vol: 10810.3052 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.93, vol: 38809.47548363 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 388.0, vol: 1.39112865 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 390.635712, vol: 54732.42380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 376.50999, vol: 46.90146658 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 368.7936, vol: 126.60491756 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

21:57

megging is totally a thing, i suspect half the marriages happen thrugh that method

21:57

;;more

21:57

gribble

382.542538549

21:59

hanbot

mircea_popescu well at least those marriages could be dissolved with this guy's plan. walk her up to some chicks, "listen, i know this is weird, but this woman won't leave me alone. would you stay with me a while so she'll maybe leave?"

22:00

i give this 0.3% chances of working

22:02

https://archive.is/JRjyE

22:02

Why did Mike Hearn meet with the banks today? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0xK8P )

22:13

"the banks" hurrr

22:14

these people are the same fucking idiots that created "the banks" of Bitcoin cca 2012.

22:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00055697 = 2.7292 BTC [+] {3}

22:23

in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/901052c0e25f7fc18afe1cb107ff2ae8/tumblr_n4xd4hNstL1qmwidzo1_400.gif

22:23

... ( http://bit.ly/1WJZbey )

22:23

https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-counters-lifetime-isp-ban-by-going-public-151109/

22:23

RuTracker Counters Lifetime ISP Ban By Going Public - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJZaHy )

22:24

wtf is a "lifetime isp ban"

22:27

"In each case, I was not the instigator, only the one who fought back. But being unapologetically white and male worked against me in every case."

22:27

[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b13

22:27

whoo hoo hoo

22:28

mircea_popescu: Some silly eastern thing

22:29

*

mircea_popescu wonders at just how dumb black folks in the us gotta be. seriously, a negligible minority being cast into this "infiltrated all levels of power!!!" role and they don't figure out what's next ? WAKE THE FUCK UP YO! THIS IS ~~~exactly~~~ WHAT HAPPENED OT THE JEWS, 1915-1935.

22:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321129 << which that

22:34

Logged on 10-11-2015 02:39:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was that all about ?

22:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321146 << great wall

22:34

Logged on 10-11-2015 03:24:51; mircea_popescu: wtf is a "lifetime isp ban"

22:35

funny, i was just having a conversation with ladybird about how "teh h0rr0r" of the holocaust (mostly concentration camps) is the entirety of what americans are taught about wwii and hitler and de and politics of the time generally. another instance of "stealing the having been stolen from".

22:36

ben_vulpes: aka 'holocaustianity'

22:37

mircea_popescu: if you were asking re: the adlai thread: i decoded that turd he keeps deedbotting

22:37

o.o

22:37

gpg 0day ?? ?\

22:38

aka base64.

22:38

a

22:38

ben_vulpes looked surprised also, l0l

22:39

i have no idea how the russkis imagine "great wall" works on people who follow torrents

22:39

i mean, the peasantariat of china, ok.

22:39

it hinders the least effort, bs approach of the ustarded "media", ok

22:39

it works on moo

22:39

but how's this supposed to work.

22:39

well moo's not on trackers

22:39

'omg111111 allthetorrentsareinoneplace.com is down!!111'

22:40

you know, the one red thread here is, a certain mental pattern of the imbecile. "hearn spoke TO BANKS" says the idiot who, after asking two awkward hermit females and a distant relative, gladly reports "i asked WOMEN".

22:40

so then "this is the website of torrents!"

22:41

because hey, "this is place of work" and "this is paycheck" and "this is life"

22:42

he's the same sort of idiot who parks in the nuclear core twice, ~~~discovers~~~ "nothing happened" and announces there's a conspiracy re nuclear cores to make proles believe they're bad for you when really NOTHNING HAPPENS

22:42

he's tried twice!

22:43

makes me think of the argentines a lot. this very speciffic "wool pulled deeply over eyes" going through things.

22:43

1,2,3,maxint

22:43

pretty much. a deeply seated, apparently deliberate but certainly defiant opposition to data integrity.

22:43

the meaningless-er the better-er!

22:44

anyway the situation with ru torrent bans, prosecutions of the great b00kw4r3z libraries (yes) etc. is that the copyrasts latched onto putin's 'dictatorship of the law' thing of the past decade to try to have their 'rights'

22:44

which, unknown to most western folks, include outrages like privatization of classic sov. works incl. children's items which are still ubiquitous, etc

22:45

and the public at large is largely laughing its collective arse off

22:45

not so smart.

22:46

can't fault their logic though - if privatization of the rest of the shebang (from petro to fish) slid by without mass guillotinings, why not this.

22:47

and given as the thread holding these folks together is the particular odd notion that books, films, are entirely like petro & fish - unsurprising

23:02

in other 'news', sov era 2kB EPROMs have been regularly selling for 5 bux or so each. SOMEBODY's buying.

23:02

and there are NOT 5bux of au in there.

23:04

perhaps to mount on a wall, framed retro style?

23:04

*

asciilifeform walked 'ebay' and similar and concluded that it is quite feasible to build whole computer, and in fact run a conveyor, out of nothing post-1990 and nothing west of bulgaria

23:06

phf: it is not uncommon for the listings to feature a link to a modern scan of the data sheet

23:06

so prolly not for wall hangings...

23:07

they get plugged in.

23:08

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/supporting-evidence.html << spiffy orlol

23:08

ClubOrlov: Supporting Evidence ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDXgfm )

23:09

'A number of readers ran straight for the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Conspiracy theory is strictly a term of abuse invented by the enemies of free speech and used to try to invalidate narratives that are not officially sanctioned by the Lügenpresse (the lying press). This term fails to signify anything beyond the fact that those who use it need to be taken out to the woodshed.' << with new, shiny, teutonic fla

23:09

vour !

23:10

'Hundreds of Magdeburg citizens affiliated on a Facebook group with the goal of creating a militia. In Barleben, according to an report by the Volksstimme, a milita was already formed and patrols the village. Around 70 citizens want to secure their village.'

23:10

'Austrian Army Major: I was at the border today: It's a war! 21 October 2015: Today is the blackest day of my life. At 11:30 I had to witness with my own eyes how around 5,000 men, all of them young and very fit, breached the Austrian border at Spielfeld, completely unopposed and unchecked.'

~ 19 minutes ~

23:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4786 @ 0.00055192 = 2.6415 BTC [-] {2}

23:33

imo conspiracy theorism is a discrete pathology. now, that derps run off with it... sure, they run off with everything.

23:33

but in any case, "rabbit hole" is misused in that context.

~ 22 minutes ~

23:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3414 @ 0.00055042 = 1.8791 BTC [-]

23:57

asciilifeform: what kind of os would one run on that kind of hardware? old 'nixy' things?