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01:58 trinque mircea_popescu | http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html << I've been chewing on this for the last few hours. There's a lot here. gabriel_laddel, it would seem that not only could you will yourself focus, but *generally* will yourself anything from the possible mental states.
01:58 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: No One Likes A Sure Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBmRx )
01:58 trinque that is, as long as you can convince yourself you have a good chance at being in the state you want to be in ;)
02:01 trinque perhaps this anticipation thing is will.
02:01 trinque !up gabriel_laddel
02:02 gabriel_laddel ty
02:02 trinque yw
02:02 gabriel_laddel This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
02:02 trinque taking anxiety as an example; the worst thing you can do is try to avoid it.
02:02 gabriel_laddel most people wake up at 8am. Me: 4pm
02:02 trinque you asserting "fucking nonsense" with no reason is fucking nonsense
02:03 trinque when you have perfect health aside from this you can cry health problem
02:03 gabriel_laddel trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
02:03 trinque as it stands you've got a massive addiction to caffeine
02:03 trinque one of my favorite drugs, I'll have you know
02:03 trinque but it affects goddamn everything all over the body
02:04 gabriel_laddel trinque: do you have the effect of almost fainting sometimes?
02:05 gabriel_laddel like, you're just standing and then the stray thought "hey, it'd be nice to fall into bed, except there isn't a bed her" flies through your mind?
02:05 trinque sounds like extreme exhaustion
02:05 trinque have you ever done cocaine?
02:05 trinque for a few days?
02:05 gabriel_laddel trinque: yeah
02:05 trinque sounds about like that
02:05 gabriel_laddel nah, the caffine effect is different.
02:06 mircea_popescu !up archStanton
02:06 mircea_popescu trinque the caution being that it's a single study and they might be insane.
02:06 mircea_popescu but otherwise, the fact that placebo is nothing short of crazy is an open secret in clinician circles.
02:06 gabriel_laddel with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
02:06 trinque sure, this is very interesting though
02:06 gabriel_laddel same with cars.
02:06 trinque sounds suicidal.
02:06 trinque or at least paranoid
02:06 gabriel_laddel and this goes away completely when I don't drink a lot of coffee
02:07 gabriel_laddel it's sort of like a phantom limb effect.
02:07 gabriel_laddel and is very odd.
02:07 trinque yeah I've been fucked up on drugs before too bud
02:07 trinque lol
02:07 trinque why are you surprised your body's freaking out over your treatment of it?
02:08 gabriel_laddel I'm not. It's just... odd.
02:08 gabriel_laddel and it *only* happens with coffee.
02:08 mircea_popescu the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
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02:08 mircea_popescu absent that... should be fine really.
02:08 gabriel_laddel I've been burnt out on coke and hating life, but never have had this effect.
02:09 trinque my only point is I wouldn't self diagnose "I need meds" before dropping your caffeine to zero, seeing where you're at
02:09 gabriel_laddel trinque: to be clear, I've done this.
02:10 trinque I've quit it entirely before, feels like shit, but a lot of the "stress" I was feeling back then was the several cups of coffee per day I was drinking.
02:10 gabriel_laddel trinque: and have not done hard drugs in years
02:10 mircea_popescu how about a cup a day or every coupla days or something. like sane people.
02:10 trinque I'm at a cup a day now, fine
02:10 mircea_popescu o wow that $600 bet is on fire huh
02:11 gabriel_laddel trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
02:11 gabriel_laddel and the multiple day reading binges
02:11 gabriel_laddel (of code or english, take your pick)
02:12 trinque so read all day anyway
02:12 trinque this notion of making oneself do a thing is bizarre
02:12 gabriel_laddel yeah, but it's more fun when "high".
02:12 trinque like you're a guy at the bridge of yourself directing things rather than being the thing
02:13 gabriel_laddel trinque: so wait, you don't get more absorbed in whatever you're doing when drinking coffee?
02:13 trinque is it that you have trouble clearing your head to consider one thing at a time?
02:14 trinque I drink coffee yes, for the high, but this does not prevent me from reading otherwise
02:15 gabriel_laddel trinque: in part. It's also that I'm just not interested or excited about life without coffee.
02:15 gabriel_laddel I don't have ideas that I would consider interesting.
02:16 gabriel_laddel it's a horrid slog through boring nonsense, depression, the works.
02:16 trinque well hell, death soon approaches.
02:16 trinque for me that's plenty to get to work
02:17 gabriel_laddel oh, and without coffee I get distracted.
02:17 trinque have you ever really considered the fact that you will soon die?
02:17 gabriel_laddel trinque: what, via coffee, or in general?
02:18 gabriel_laddel trinque: "for me that's plenty to get to work" ?
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02:19 trinque plenty of motivation to
02:19 gabriel_laddel trinque: it seems to me that the other thing missing from this discussion is that we've all very different chemistry.
02:19 trinque yes but your statements imply certain beliefs
02:19 trinque those may be different chemistry; I'm still chewing on the article as I said!
02:20 gabriel_laddel trinque: for example, the modafinil that I've taken works great for other people.
02:20 trinque what do you mean it works great?
02:20 gabriel_laddel they stay awake for 40 ish hours with no issues.
02:20 gabriel_laddel it does *nothing* for my sleep cycle
02:21 gabriel_laddel and makes my thoughts disjointed.
02:21 trinque this is an odd notion of being better; note that it is mostly about you being some kind of machine you run for x hours and produce y per hour
02:22 gabriel_laddel wrt coffee or modafinil?
02:22 gabriel_laddel or both?
02:22 trinque both I'd say
02:22 trinque what is the goal? so you stay awake for 40 hrs
02:22 trinque and then what happens?
02:22 gabriel_laddel and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise
02:22 trinque "I am the guy that coded for 40 hrs."
02:23 gabriel_laddel lol, I'm not doing it for other people
02:23 trinque fascinating, I didn't say it was for that
02:23 gabriel_laddel "I am the guy who coded for 40 hrs" < ?
02:24 gabriel_laddel isn't that what you were implying?
02:24 trinque my statement is right there, no secret other meanings
02:24 mircea_popescu <gabriel_laddel> and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise << no you don't. this is like the ridiculous notion of teenagers that they'll make a car "better".
02:24 mircea_popescu tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
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02:24 mircea_popescu it's an industrial fucking product, you think they don't know what you know ?
02:25 mircea_popescu the only reason it's not included in the series version is that it's a stupid idea.
02:25 gabriel_laddel actually, with respect to portage / gentoo / funtoo - yeah
02:25 trinque ahaha, this is excellent due to the gentoo-as-ricer-car mockery
02:25 gabriel_laddel I know more than they do.
02:25 mircea_popescu no. with respect to "improving" your body.
02:25 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
02:25 gabriel_laddel for example, taking the EasyUp before going to sleep
02:25 mircea_popescu you have no idea.
02:26 gabriel_laddel othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
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02:26 mircea_popescu there's somewhere in the log this observation, you can't learn medicine on yourself.
02:26 gabriel_laddel and the whole process of brushing teeth takes like 1 hour
02:26 gabriel_laddel with easyup: 20 minutes and I'm chipper
02:26 mircea_popescu i had an uncle.
02:26 mircea_popescu he's dead.
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02:27 mircea_popescu he had diabethes. according to him, he could not take the medicine. except with honey.
02:27 mircea_popescu this is known as fatlogic.
02:27 gabriel_laddel I would lol if it wasn't your uncle.
02:27 trinque you're doing the same thing.
02:27 mircea_popescu you would also lol if it wasn't yourself.
02:28 gabriel_laddel I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
02:28 gabriel_laddel I've tried setting alarms, getting enough sleep etc.
02:28 mircea_popescu this is fine :)
02:28 trinque this is where he gets dumped in the ocean on mushrooms
02:28 gabriel_laddel none of it works.
02:28 trinque did wonders for my good friend
02:28 gabriel_laddel trinque: !?!?
02:28 mircea_popescu did he end up in france ?
02:28 trinque lol
02:29 mircea_popescu (from west coast, obviously)
02:30 gabriel_laddel trinque: how would this help anything?
02:30 gabriel_laddel trinque: and why would you do this to someone?
02:30 trinque he did it to himself
02:30 trinque no one forced him
02:30 gabriel_laddel ...
02:30 gabriel_laddel what
02:31 trinque he was disoriented and lost track of the beach and ended up rather far out
02:31 gabriel_laddel trinque: could you please tell this story.
02:31 gabriel_laddel oh.
02:31 trinque lol no pun intended
02:31 gabriel_laddel yeah, I'm not really sure how this relates to me.
02:31 mircea_popescu lol
02:32 trinque accepted he might die, then found it within himself to be a man and swim his ass back to what felt like shore, and he did
02:32 trinque !up gabriel_laddel
02:32 trinque the reason I mentioned it is that you are so sure of your model of yourself
02:32 gabriel_laddel yeah, I don't know what this "being a man" stuff is about
02:32 trinque these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
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02:33 gabriel_laddel trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
02:33 gabriel_laddel how else would you read that?
02:33 trinque the fuck; you'd wake up if it meant an enemy bullet otherwise
02:34 trinque or maybe *you* wouldn't but the normal human mind can decide it can do all kinds of things when it must
02:34 trinque if you're bitching about waking up in the morning I think you haven't suffered enough
02:34 gabriel_laddel trinque: you'd think that. but I've missed events I *really* wanted to attend because I wouldn't wake
02:35 gabriel_laddel trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
02:35 trinque yeah I "never could wake up" as a teenager either
02:35 trinque except I didn't give a fuck to, and my mother woke me up with breakfast and all my shit ready to go
02:35 trinque and I went to a few pretend military camps in the summer and woke up myself every morning while there
02:36 trinque to be grinning with a "fuck you" to the sergeant that'd come busting into my room screaming hoping I was still asleep
02:36 trinque gabriel_laddel: this sounds like "I should've given a fuck" not "I gave a fuck"
02:37 gabriel_laddel trinque: you're missing my point, or I'm not stating it correctly. I've missed things I care deeply about because of sleep
02:37 gabriel_laddel and even with people screaming at me, I still missed things
02:37 gabriel_laddel and all of this is solved by taking a pill before I go to sleep
02:37 trinque the sergeant's screaming had nothing to do with my waking up
02:37 trinque I enjoyed the fuck out of winning at that game so I did
02:38 trinque mircea_popescu: I see your point about education 100% at this moment.
02:38 gabriel_laddel trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
02:39 gabriel_laddel but all of this is solved when I take a pill - not just a caffine pill - but a coffee extract?
02:39 gabriel_laddel how on *earth* am I supposed to read this?
02:39 gabriel_laddel that I should take the broomstick approach?
02:40 mircea_popescu you do whatevs you feel like. if you're happy with it carry on, eventually you'll either die or have enough of it.
02:40 gabriel_laddel (for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)
02:44 mircea_popescu wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
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02:45 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: something akin to that, yes.
02:45 gabriel_laddel multiple times.
02:45 mircea_popescu i slept through it too.
02:46 gabriel_laddel yeah, but were you excited about it?
02:46 mircea_popescu depends on your definition of excited.
02:46 mircea_popescu in operational terms, i was as excited as you were, apparently.
02:46 punkman gabriel_laddel: doesn't the coffee pill make your sleep weird?
02:46 gabriel_laddel punkman: nah
02:47 punkman I've taken modafinil before sleep a couple times, to make sure I'd wake up for a flight
02:47 punkman was quite tired, had the strangest dreams
02:47 mircea_popescu ew
02:49 gabriel_laddel And this is sort of what I'm getting at - people differ greatly. Modafinil doesn't work for me, some people can't take caffine before bed, some people can't drink and have sex (MP's eugenics article) and some can.
02:51 mircea_popescu that's an age thing.
02:51 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: what, drinking and sex?
02:51 mircea_popescu myeah
02:52 trinque gabriel_laddel: and how healthy are you
02:52 gabriel_laddel riiight.
02:52 punkman mircea_popescu: dunno, I remember being too drunk to fuck at 17 or whatever
02:52 mircea_popescu well, alcohol is a downer. kids are overexcitable. it's a toss-up.
02:52 gabriel_laddel trinque: I don't know.
02:55 * gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
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02:55 gabriel_laddel I'll go with "I treat my body like shit, and do pretty well "
02:56 trinque but you like so totally have this very unique sleep disorder
02:56 gabriel_laddel trinque: ?
02:56 trinque again, the statement is right there.
02:56 trinque might try operating the thing better first
02:57 gabriel_laddel well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.
02:57 trinque what does reality care about what you want
02:57 trinque although, maybe if you can convince yourself that some of your orange crush cans are sleep aids...
02:58 trinque but only some!
02:58 gabriel_laddel oh this is nonsense
02:58 gabriel_laddel look, there are tradeoffs to be made
02:58 gabriel_laddel I've been healthy before, but it sucks
02:58 trinque it was a joke, dingus
02:58 gabriel_laddel oh, derp
02:59 gabriel_laddel trinque: so what is your top 3 favorite substances of abuse?
02:59 trinque so this whole thing is mainly about what you want, which is orange crush and other things, but not being healthy
02:59 trinque I don't tend to "abuse" substances
02:59 gabriel_laddel the problem with being healthy is that I get too turned on by everything.
02:59 trinque though I'm 28; I'm not saying I never did
03:00 punkman lolwut
03:00 gabriel_laddel so yeah, I'm optimizing for something specific.
03:00 trinque not that I'm ancient, but I'm not trying to wreck the thing either
03:00 gabriel_laddel trinque: so what /were/ your top 3.
03:00 trinque I was never one to habitually wreck myself
03:00 trinque if I say "booze" that's saying I got very drunk that month
03:01 trinque weed I smoked daily for a long time
03:01 gabriel_laddel fine, trinque, what are your top 3 favorite substances to use in moderation, with a trip sitter, etc etc
03:01 gabriel_laddel like a responsible adult
03:01 trinque so coffee weed booze by volume
03:02 gabriel_laddel and by preference?
03:02 trinque !up gabriel_laddel
03:03 trinque gabriel_laddel: actually I will admit to using cigs in precisely the same way you were talking about coffee
03:03 gabriel_laddel trinque: ah, so nicotine is one of my favorite as well
03:03 trinque coding, getting the nicotine going and thinking I was "so much more focused"
03:03 trinque it's a bunch of horse shit
03:03 gabriel_laddel !?
03:03 trinque the fucking oxygen you're not getting for one
03:04 gabriel_laddel I no longer smoke, but programming while smoking was always nice.
03:04 trinque your feelings about the thing do not matter
03:04 gabriel_laddel then what the fuck is the point!?
03:04 trinque of what?
03:04 gabriel_laddel anything!
03:04 trinque what point
03:04 gabriel_laddel why are we here if not to have fun
03:04 gabriel_laddel why not program JS for a living
03:04 trinque you're here because some things happened
03:05 trinque why not program JS for a living?
03:05 gabriel_laddel right, but I'm here to have a good time in spite of that
03:05 trinque or suck dick?
03:05 gabriel_laddel hence why cl etc etc
03:05 trinque so do that
03:05 gabriel_laddel omg
03:05 trinque being here to have a good time sounds great
03:05 gabriel_laddel dawwww I'm so curious as to your thoughts on MDMA, cocaine, LSD
03:06 gabriel_laddel mushrooms
03:06 gabriel_laddel do tell, please
03:06 trinque lovely fun all
03:06 trinque what's to tell?
03:06 gabriel_laddel have you done anything really out there, like DMT?
03:07 trinque salvia is pretty out there.
03:07 trinque but not dmt
03:07 trinque *haven't
03:07 mircea_popescu for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.
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03:09 trinque the thing I'm moderately curious about is what question gabriel_laddel is asking
03:09 trinque but it's certainly getting nowhere and can be left at that.
03:11 mircea_popescu looks like a scoring model.
03:14 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSIVwAwWIAAlFXH.png
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03:15 mircea_popescu what the fuck is this "ethicists".
03:15 punkman old women that can't afford motorized dildo?
03:16 mircea_popescu women may speak of ethics now ?!
03:16 mircea_popescu what's next, rabis ?
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03:35 thestringpuller https://magnr.com/ << the ponzis continue
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04:25 mircea_popescu ;;ud idgi
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04:31 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
04:32 referredbyloper Thanks. I just read the post about phuctor breaking an rsa key.
04:34 mircea_popescu cool.
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04:56 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/love_the_way_you_lie_with_me.html << in which tlp understands why castrated pencildicks can't compete.
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04:57 mircea_popescu way to go. ps : it isn't abuse just because it leaves you outside, feeling inadequate.
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11:59 asciilifeform punkman: rot13.
11:59 asciilifeform punkman: gotta remember that those folks are - for all intents and purposes - retarded.
12:04 asciilifeform ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.
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12:04 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:09; gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
12:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:05 punkman asciilifeform: I thought the language amusing
12:05 asciilifeform punkman: likely, it reads entirely normal in the original
12:07 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307497 << actually the most serious problem is that eventually it stops doing anything at all.
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12:07 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:08:24; mircea_popescu: the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
12:07 asciilifeform and you can't take a holiday from the dope because then the cheques stop coming.
12:08 asciilifeform (in usa it is rare for any worker type to have serious paid leave)
12:08 asciilifeform 2 wk/yr is considered princely.
12:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307550 << this is nonsense and mircea_popescu knows it. do your gurlz take bc pill ? iron supplement? BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR111!!1
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12:09 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:24:45; mircea_popescu: tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
12:10 asciilifeform perhaps the gods meant them to be anemic and nonstop pregnant..
12:11 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307565 << in the end, everybody gets to be equally dead.
12:11 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:56; mircea_popescu: he's dead.
12:14 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'
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12:14 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:32:53; trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
12:16 asciilifeform tlp et al are right in a sense: depression, weird circadian rhythms, etc. are not diseases in the sense that leukemia is. all of these people would happily live without dope, on some different planet. the problem is that they cannot move to this planet.
12:17 asciilifeform if gabriel_laddel actually could sleep ad libitum - that is, WHENEVER he wants, FOR AS LONG AS he wants - i suspect that he wouldn't ask for dope of any kind.
12:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307622 << i never grasped this custom: why is it necessary to buy $item the day it comes out? let the other schmucks test...?
12:20 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 06:44:47; mircea_popescu: wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
12:22 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307706 << l0l, why? because dope?
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12:22 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 07:07:19; mircea_popescu: for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.
12:23 asciilifeform imho smart-people-talking-about-dope doesn't read quite the same as stupid-people-talking-about-dope.
12:23 asciilifeform because smart-people-talking-about-$item doesn't read quite the same as stupid-people-talking-about-$item. for any possible $item.
12:25 asciilifeform see also:
12:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005
12:25 assbot Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
12:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307710 << see also:
12:28 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 07:14:09; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSIVwAwWIAAlFXH.png
12:28 asciilifeform !s mocsny
12:28 assbot 35 results for 'mocsny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mocsny
12:29 asciilifeform who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
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12:35 diametric asciilifeform: check it out http://www.thermaltronics.com/products.php
12:35 assbot Thermaltronics Soldering: Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvxgrQ )
12:37 diametric asciilifeform: look familiar?
12:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00053668 = 9.6602 BTC [-]
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13:06 asciilifeform diametric: metcal?!
13:06 * asciilifeform reads specs, discovers that indeed it claims to be a metcal clone
13:07 asciilifeform diametric: they have tweezers, even.
13:21 mircea_popescu hhhhola!
13:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform must be bought same day because poor impulse control (must have) and poor social skills (this is the only time you'll meet people you can talk to this year)
13:22 asciilifeform buenos dias señor popescu
13:24 mircea_popescu que tal ?
13:26 mats https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf
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13:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVp5Fj )
13:26 asciilifeform viva la revolución por siempre y para siempre
13:27 asciilifeform or somethinglikethat.
13:27 asciilifeform mats: again with the 'let's seeeekk00000r3 the c-machine with magic pixie dust'
13:27 asciilifeform dontcha ever tire of it ?
13:28 mats you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
13:28 diametric asciilifeform: its not a clone.
13:28 diametric asciilifeform: the engineers that created metcal left metcal, and formed thermaltronics when the patent expired
13:29 mats if you find the time, it is far more readable than selinux
13:29 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
13:29 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.52, Best ask: 294.64, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 294.52, 24 hour volume: 33147.35330584, 24 hour low: 280.35, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None
13:29 diametric so technically, the thermaltronics is more metcal than metcal is now.
13:29 mircea_popescu o look at that. resistences evaporating.
13:29 asciilifeform diametric: nifty, we oughta buy one of these.
13:29 mircea_popescu let's dust off some old quote.
13:29 diametric asciilifeform: was thinking about it
13:30 asciilifeform mats: take, for instance: 'encrypt/decrypt return address by a random key.' this is TYPICAL microshitism. the only actual result of this kind of thinking is that shit gets ever harder to debug, and new hidey-holes for exploitation are born.
13:31 asciilifeform mats: try to understand what i am objecting to - you might learn something.
13:32 asciilifeform there was an old comic where a schoolteacher says 'i always wear a condom when conducting lessons'
13:32 mircea_popescu well... looking for where i said teh poor usg is between rock and hard place, if it misses but once it's fucked, i instead found http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
13:32 assbot Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMSgXx )
13:32 asciilifeform this is what all the various 'stack canaries', 'encrypted return addresses', etc. sounds like to me.
13:32 mircea_popescu ima call it good.
13:32 mircea_popescu lest i get lost in a pile of awesome and do no work but grin for the rest of the sunday.
13:33 asciilifeform https://xkcd.com/463 << found it
13:33 assbot xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMSkGD )
13:34 mircea_popescu "Asrar al-Mujahideen, Asrar al-Dardashah" aaaahahahah.
13:34 mircea_popescu next time, stick to el-zip-ibn-lzw, brothers.
13:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall your 'homebrew crypto' article ?
13:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307743 << it sounded to me like the same. in fact, it is likely that boys have a non-24 hour rythm with significant incidence (if you think about it - how do you design the male to maximize its fucjing and hunting opportunities ?)
13:35 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:04:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.
13:35 mircea_popescu i do.
13:36 asciilifeform aha. when left to my own devices, i'll cycle through the whole face of the clock.
13:36 mircea_popescu right ?
13:37 mircea_popescu so you'll find all the animals asleep at some time.
13:37 asciilifeform THIS is why i covet 'sleep ad libitum' more than anything else.
13:37 asciilifeform more than dirigibles, harems, etc.
13:37 mircea_popescu i am currently waking 2pm, fancy that.
13:37 mircea_popescu and to grok the true sign of luxury : i have an auction in eulora in 20 minutes. which i woke naturally for.
13:39 asciilifeform this is also why i do not piss on 'one day my real life will begin!' fantasy with the same abandon as tlp and mircea_popescu
13:40 asciilifeform because i can easily see a rational mechanism for 'i am not now really alive but if $condition then i will be.'
13:40 mircea_popescu your parents aren't supposed to understand YOU. they're supposed to understand the world.
13:40 mircea_popescu you is your job.
13:40 asciilifeform parents?
13:41 mircea_popescu well tlp in this case. but the mechanism of pissing on X myth is parenting.
13:41 mircea_popescu in fact, THIS is what parenting is. pissing on myths.
13:41 asciilifeform i was conjecturing that this particular myth has a kernel of truth in it, just as the stories of 'great flood' are said to
13:41 mircea_popescu all myths have a kernel of truth in em. the idea is to select a set that works.
13:43 mircea_popescu kinda the point of that entire thing with trinque yest. "oh, 100% placebo works for me when i tihnk it's 75% drug". good for you, continue.
13:43 asciilifeform !s placebocin
13:43 assbot 5 results for 'placebocin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=placebocin
13:43 asciilifeform (from uncle al's works)
13:43 mircea_popescu aha. the effect is not exactly unknown, in all its batshit crazy splendour.
13:44 mircea_popescu or should i say "unmodelable" ? obscurantist perhaps ? :D
13:44 asciilifeform most brightly illustrated by the savages who could be 'prayed to death'
13:44 asciilifeform there are, incidentally, promising models for it. but the thing went nowhere because science died.
13:44 mircea_popescu no. they are promising for the same reason 15yo hos "are" promising.
13:44 mircea_popescu they're not models. and once they try to become models they quit promising.
13:45 asciilifeform prolly ought have said 'were promising.'
13:45 asciilifeform it is a past-tense thing.
13:45 mats asciilifeform: grsec, afaik, has had _exactly one_ publicly disclosed vuln, to my knowledge
13:45 mircea_popescu but not because of any sort of co-incidence.
13:45 asciilifeform mats: my objection is ecological rather than immediate, understand.
13:45 mats results speak for themselves, despite hand waving as to 'pixie dust', which is outright misleading imo
13:45 asciilifeform mats: i object to the entire pattern of thought on display there.
13:46 mats noted
13:46 mircea_popescu mats but what do you know of the unknown ones ?
13:46 asciilifeform the result FROM MY CHAIR is that the code is MORE COMPLEX
13:46 mircea_popescu i mean, your data is your data, ok, but what does it say ?
13:46 asciilifeform this is ipso facto a bad thing.
13:46 mircea_popescu "grsec has had much lower burn rate than the other packages because there has been less independent research put into it"
13:46 mircea_popescu vs "grsec is actually better code"
13:47 asciilifeform and the PREMISES are retarded. they take it as a GIVEN that there WILL be overflows, stack smashes, etc.
13:47 asciilifeform that these are thing we OUGHT to live with.
13:47 asciilifeform as concepts.
13:47 mats 13:28:25 <+mats> you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
13:48 asciilifeform mats: if you'd like to link to, e.g., diffs, to demonstrate this, i'll read.
13:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307748 << well yeah but i meant in withdrawal.
13:48 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:07:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307497 << actually the most serious problem is that eventually it stops doing anything at all.
13:49 asciilifeform ah yes.
13:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307753 << jesus fuck he fucking butchered me.
13:49 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:09:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307550 << this is nonsense and mircea_popescu knows it. do your gurlz take bc pill ? iron supplement? BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR111!!1
13:50 asciilifeform mats: also we ought to try to agree on some notion of 'results'. for me, 'results' includes not only 'how many 0days published' but also 'what the code i MUST READ TO GRASP THE SYSTEM actually looks like'
13:50 mircea_popescu i will now attempt to mout a defense with my disembodied, bloody remains!
13:50 asciilifeform l0l
13:50 asciilifeform take some reconstitutory dopez!
13:50 mircea_popescu so asciilifeform : a) the iron because they're broken (ie, not equal to the design) ; the bc is, TECHNICALLY, part of the car. aftermarket shocks.
13:51 asciilifeform aha. dope, as correctly used, is aftermarket shocks.
13:51 mircea_popescu fu!
13:51 asciilifeform or jets. or parachute. take your pick.
13:51 mircea_popescu i got nothing!
13:52 asciilifeform where was that rhyme...
13:52 asciilifeform 'my candle burns at both ends, / it will not last the night, / but ah, my foes! / and oh, my friends! / it gives a lovely light.'
13:53 mircea_popescu lol
13:53 mircea_popescu nb.
13:53 asciilifeform and yes, for every meth-taking erdos or wiener, there are ten million nobodies who think that their sulfurous rancid turd burning at both ends is a candle with lovely light, yes.
13:54 mircea_popescu no. the irony is, they think "there was nothing [else] i could do."
13:54 mircea_popescu because this is how "think" goes.
13:54 mircea_popescu "nobloody could have predictits!"
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14:17 mats well, offhand, disables read/writes to /dev/kmem, /dev/mem, /dev/port, model specific registers, kexec, module loading, privileged io (ioperm and iopl calls), unprivileged PERF_EVENTS usage, restricts /proc, sysfs, and debugfs, ...
14:18 mats if i find diffs, ill let you know
14:18 asciilifeform mats: disables how? and for whom ?
14:18 asciilifeform on an ordinary linux box you already need root for these
14:19 asciilifeform (with the possible exception of /proc - but i gotta run strace! what, i have to sudo to strace now?!)
14:20 mats many of these protects kernel from root
14:20 mats i haven't read through all the patchsets, so can't say exhaustively which does what, etc
14:20 asciilifeform 'protects from root' what a crock of shit
14:20 asciilifeform yes, i get that this is the fashion, 'box with no root'
14:21 asciilifeform it is a crock of shit, because the pretense is trivially shattered in 1,001 ways
14:21 asciilifeform (can i talk to the nic? does it have dma?)
14:33 mats https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/13/774 ?
14:33 assbot LKML: Matthew Garrett: [PATCH 04/12] x86: Lock down IO port access when trusted_kernel is true ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAWd4H )
14:34 asciilifeform mats: only thing is, i can do arbitrary dma on just about any box where i can access ~any~ pci device's standard mmio space - no need to screw with the pci config regs
14:34 asciilifeform (e.g., most nics have a - documented or not - provision for dma)
14:36 asciilifeform and yes, you can fandango over ~all~ of physical ram, typically the thing does not care where you put its ring buffer - and you don't need to access pci config to move it
14:37 asciilifeform but if you enjoy putting a steel door on a drywall room - who am i to say no.
14:38 asciilifeform also - as mats knows - or ought to know - 'trusted' is a usg shibboleth for 'resists attempts at understanding or modification by putative owner'
14:38 asciilifeform as in 'trusted platform module'
14:38 asciilifeform or microshit's 'trusted computing.'
14:38 asciilifeform ;;google treacherous computing
14:38 gribble Can You Trust Your Computer? - GNU Project - Free Software ...: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html>; Microsoft's Treacherous Computing — Free Software Foundation ...: <https://www.fsf.org/news/treacherous.html>; Digital Restrictions Management and Treacherous Computing ...: <http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/drm.html>
14:39 asciilifeform ^ see also rms on subj.
14:42 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307364 << I babysat the classroom while the lectures came in over the projector.
14:42 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 03:11:07; mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
14:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you missed a long and mighty dope thread
14:43 BingoBoingo reading through it nao
14:47 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307357 << Caffeine, vitamin B, and sleep are fine. Changing the "set point" of the dopamine and norephedrine pathways seems shitty
14:47 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 03:10:08; mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
14:49 mats i can't say i know enough to address your claims
14:49 asciilifeform this is not a bad time to point out that dope tolerance is not a magical punishment straight from god, but a physical mechanism. which could, conceivably, be dealt with.
14:49 asciilifeform there was some work in this direction, but for reasons which are quite clear (politics of u.s. pharma business) it never went anywhere.
14:49 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << relatedly, https://vimeo.com/79173606 lol
14:49 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
14:49 assbot VR TENGA DEMO (2): Oculus Rift＋Novint Falcon＋TENGA on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1WcAAtm )
14:50 asciilifeform mats: l0l! what is that
14:51 mats demo of 'novint falcon' game controller
14:53 mats we r p close to rendition of virtual fuckbot through e.g. oculus rift+fleshlight+'novint falcon'
14:55 jurov "there will be mass upheaval" << sauce?
14:55 jurov and why there was no similar upheaval when free porn became available?
15:08 deedbot- [Trilema] And there was another auction, and there was another record, and so on. - http://trilema.com/2015/and-there-was-another-auction-and-there-was-another-record-and-so-on/
15:22 mats ben_vulpes has briefly mentioned before, but: window system in haskell in 1200 lines https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad
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15:22 assbot xmonad/xmonad · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6Qggs )
15:23 jurov misread as widget system, got excited for a moment
15:24 mats =[
15:30 ben_vulpes xmonad sucks as much as haskell sucks, for the simple reason that one must load haskell's horseshit into head to use it.
15:30 ben_vulpes stumpwm is marginally better, and...
15:31 ben_vulpes granted, 18kloc.
15:31 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.66000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b13
15:33 mircea_popescu "|hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
15:33 mircea_popescu or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?"
15:33 mircea_popescu ahaha that thread's gold.
15:33 mircea_popescu Oct 23, 2001
15:34 mircea_popescu "I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
15:34 mircea_popescu Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!"
15:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307758 << what is this obscurantist claptrap! if i can't model it adequately and measure it experimentaly it's in your mind!
15:35 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:14:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'
15:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307764 << no, not because dope. because substanceless (ha!) lines of five words each delineating vague posturing of no further interest.
15:37 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:22:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307706 << l0l, why? because dope?
15:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << 0 upheaval. what fucking upheaval ?
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15:38 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
15:43 mircea_popescu hey, where did everyone go! let's argue about things!
15:44 mircea_popescu Wot Rank15 / 7,591 << ha-HA!
15:48 ben_vulpes today i learned about the ongoing lng conversions in the shipping industry
15:51 mircea_popescu aha ?
15:52 mircea_popescu did you get to the entire crazy that is "oil quality", how it relates to its density, and what "a barrle" ACTUALLY means ?
15:52 mircea_popescu guaranteed entertainment for a year's time in smart go-getter types.
15:56 ben_vulpes no i have not!
15:56 ben_vulpes is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
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15:56 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:56 mircea_popescu oil quality is, i daresay, something like beauty in adolescent human females.
15:57 mircea_popescu for sure more male time / money went into the former to date.
15:57 mircea_popescu it is certainly a valid, heavy duty phd. "1915-2015, a century of "oil quality"". THAT is something i'd respect.
15:59 ben_vulpes i have never successfully run down what heresy chevron puts into their techron
15:59 ben_vulpes makes me fear for my 35 year old engine.
15:59 mircea_popescu your car is older than you ?
15:59 ben_vulpes i actually drive out to the rural areas to find low ethanol fuels.
16:00 ben_vulpes significantly!
16:00 mircea_popescu a few %s isn't significant anymore :D
16:01 ben_vulpes 's more than a few.
16:01 ben_vulpes dunno that people here realize how young i actually am.
16:03 mircea_popescu weren't you like 28 or something ?
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49649 @ 0.00053483 = 26.5538 BTC [-] {2}
16:03 mod6 So a new version of my V (version 99999 K) has been posted to the website and the ML.
16:03 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151025.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151025.tar.gz.mod6.sig
16:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqpn9 )
16:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqpnd )
16:03 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000173.html
16:03 assbot [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99999 K ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqqre )
16:03 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000174.html
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16:03 assbot [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99999 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqrv9 )
16:04 mod6 Enjoy! Let me know if you have questions or run into any problems. Thanks!
16:05 mircea_popescu cool bans
16:05 ben_vulpes intel always remembers :P
16:05 ben_vulpes tasting guido included!
16:06 mircea_popescu kik
16:16 mircea_popescu "There is a terrible, terrible, ugly truth underlying all of this, and that is that taxes don't matter to a government that can print money. The government collected $2.4T and spent $3.6T. They'll take what they get, of course, but if they had collected $2T or $3T you/they would not have noticed. The country isn't a household, it is a bank, and as long as the rest of the world believes "we're good for it," then we a
16:16 mircea_popescu re. When it decides otherwise, look out. The US will go Lehman Brothers faster than you can say Bear Stearns."
16:16 mircea_popescu heh.
16:18 ben_vulpes mod6: decided to leave auto-seal-retrieval in there?
16:18 mod6 yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
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16:18 ben_vulpes ah
16:18 mod6 as discussed before
16:20 ben_vulpes i saw stan barking about autoprocurement of things and must've misremembered
16:22 mircea_popescu so check!
16:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307928 << how many lines is ~haskell itself~ ? and of what.
16:24 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 19:22:13; mats: ben_vulpes has briefly mentioned before, but: window system in haskell in 1200 lines https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad
16:24 asciilifeform THIS MATTERS for fuck's sake
16:24 asciilifeform is it so hard to grasp..?
16:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i did! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303531
16:24 assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 17:04:18; mircea_popescu: well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow.
16:25 mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296530 && http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296543
16:25 assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 23:47:42; mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
16:25 assbot Logged on 12-10-2015 00:20:41; assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
16:25 jurov "the Glasgow Haskell compiler is written in Haskell: a 100,000-line application. "
16:25 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: sure and how many lines is sbcl, and what is it written in?
16:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sbcl is an interesting beast. there are really two compilers (and before anyone asks, their semantic idempotence is neither proven nor provable) - a bootstrapper, in c, and a battlefield variant, in itself.
16:26 mircea_popescu it is written in unmovable half ton steel cabinets, which makes it ok.
16:26 asciilifeform mno that was zetalisp.
16:26 mircea_popescu aok
16:27 mircea_popescu so i could wipe this thinkpad and put lispos on it ?
16:27 asciilifeform in principle! some schmuck actually ported sbcl to x86 'bare arse'
16:27 ben_vulpes nah you'll have to buy the same computer that gabriel_laddel has
16:27 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so it's not really half ton unmovable cabinets.
16:28 mircea_popescu they're movable in that they don't exiswt.
16:28 asciilifeform but you would actually have to buy the same computer he had
16:28 asciilifeform (1990s)
16:28 asciilifeform this is a result of the tower of babel situation re: pc hardware, rather than anything else.
16:28 ben_vulpes iirc he's targeting something you can buy from dell today.
16:28 asciilifeform dell today, gone tomorrow
16:28 mircea_popescu ^
16:28 asciilifeform sop.
16:28 ben_vulpes and with your combined mirrors...
16:28 mircea_popescu one carly fiorina away from falling in the shitter./
16:29 ben_vulpes "w0nder twin powers, activate!"
16:29 asciilifeform i have opteron boxes from dell. afaik even this is out of print.
16:29 * ben_vulpes eagerly awaits mslinux
16:30 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307946 << no upheaval because there is not the vaguest inkling of a threat of anything like a robotic replacement for chix
16:30 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 19:38:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << 0 upheaval. what fucking upheaval ?
16:30 mircea_popescu are you kidding ? "chix" in the sense of "out of the street human female" were replaced cca 2005.
16:31 mircea_popescu who wants "a woman" ? nobody.
16:31 asciilifeform plenty of folks
16:31 mircea_popescu not so.
16:31 mircea_popescu the poor arab beta boys want a RICH woman.
16:31 asciilifeform they just 'aren't people' on mircea_popescu's planet
16:31 mircea_popescu but the woman is an unwelcome addition to the resources.
16:31 mircea_popescu and otherwise, people want a teenager.
16:31 asciilifeform homo redditicus would kill worlds for one, no ?
16:32 mircea_popescu "woman" as in, overweight, with college debt, with bad habits, with the entire baggage of having watched as much as 5 mionutes of for-women tv is worth less than a pig.
16:32 mircea_popescu no.
16:32 mircea_popescu if homo redditicus would pay as much as five borrowed dollars for "a woman" the us would look like argentina.
16:32 asciilifeform for the bloke with bad-habits, baggage, debt, tv - what other thing is possible ?
16:32 mircea_popescu but this is what "a woman" means.
16:32 mircea_popescu she literally can't add.
16:33 jurov reddit dudes are fighting to get women? that's new for me
16:33 jurov asciilifeform: for any example?
16:33 jurov *got any example
16:33 asciilifeform jurov: they are not, strictly speaking
16:33 mircea_popescu jurov the only example i can think of is bingoboingo's fake story
16:33 asciilifeform any more than the ants in your cellar are 'fighting to take your house'
16:33 mircea_popescu and notice that it was interestinfg to them PRECISELY because a) he did what they don't do (go for a woman) and b) it blew up in a way threy like.
16:34 mircea_popescu the only marketable xx item in the us is, "15 yo runaway".
16:34 mircea_popescu otherwise, no.
16:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307955 << it isn't a pure matter of joules, on account of envirowhinerism being a thing. also gotta have 'sufficiently low sulfur' etc.
16:34 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 19:56:22; ben_vulpes: is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
16:34 asciilifeform at least for usa/eu markets
16:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is on account of refineries being pipes, with turns.
16:35 asciilifeform this also.
16:35 mircea_popescu that's all there is. now you gotta know an infinity about the fluid.
16:35 mircea_popescu so there's epicly many layers to it.
16:36 asciilifeform this is even (especially?) a problem for coal. if you have noncombustibles in there (and, increasingly, you do) you get ruined furnace, downtime, outages.
16:36 mircea_popescu they actually have a liquefaction process (in the civilised world, not in the us) that significantly reduces the intellectual relevancy of this
16:36 asciilifeform fischer-tropsch is back in fashion ?!
16:36 mircea_popescu but one thing people DO NOT appreciate is that if i had to find the "lost meta-engineers" alf wants to have been in software\
16:36 mircea_popescu they are probably mostly oenologizing oil.
16:37 asciilifeform as they were in 1944.
16:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform muchly improved.
16:37 mircea_popescu as they were ever since 1885 or so
16:37 asciilifeform aha, catalysts have come a long way.
16:37 jurov asciilifeform: stuff like hydrocracking
16:37 * asciilifeform admits to quietly following this subject
16:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307976 << this looks spiffy but what is a cucumber test ?
16:38 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 20:03:56; mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000174.html
16:38 mircea_popescu incidentally, THIS is where good math would show before biotech
16:38 mircea_popescu and they mostly don't have it even here.
16:39 mod6 asciilifeform: Cucumber tests are automated tests that will run specified scenarios against v.pl and assert various outcomes. [cucumber.io]
16:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. new catalyst takes perhaps a day to try.
16:39 asciilifeform (vs a protein-diddler)
16:39 mircea_popescu more importantly : have you tried it ?
16:39 mircea_popescu how do you know when you've tried it ? what shape was it ? etc.
16:39 mod6 For instance, I assert all of the appropriate antecedents and decendants for each vpatch, etc.
16:40 asciilifeform aha.
16:40 mircea_popescu much easier to approach, and still hanging.
16:40 asciilifeform mod6: neato
16:40 mircea_popescu it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6
16:40 mircea_popescu i've been learning a lot watching :D
16:40 asciilifeform mod6: one aspect which i never fully fleshed out imho needs some thought: when the thing is hooked to a live wwwtron, what is to stop idiots from tossing in arbitrary signed crud from #b-a logs into it ?
16:41 mircea_popescu i thought we had a header
16:41 mod6 i like it a lot. its sort of too bad that the step definitions behind the "gherkin" or cucumber scenarios are written in Perl, python may have been easier for people to digest. But I'm not as up too par on that.
16:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what header
16:41 asciilifeform diff's header ?
16:41 mircea_popescu omg have i hallucinated yes
16:41 mod6 Ruby or others can be used as well...and I've only just started using Ruby as well. (which makes me feel dirty lol)
16:41 asciilifeform plenty of things that don't belong (e.g., nonvdiffs, vdiffs that were not meant for use in anger) have same header.
16:41 punkman asciilifeform: well for deedbot I hashed and checked for dupes
16:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how would that be in "random signed crud" ?
16:41 asciilifeform 'random' is overstatement.
16:41 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6 << thx!
16:42 mircea_popescu so then no, this is policy.
16:42 mircea_popescu do not sign in the manner of v stuff you don't intend to be in v
16:42 mircea_popescu or else it's your ass.
16:42 asciilifeform point is that a malefactor could probably find something public with which to create headache if the mechanism 'takes anything signed like-so'
16:42 mircea_popescu why, because things are signed by rabid yaks ?
16:43 asciilifeform ideally not.
16:43 mircea_popescu so do not do that!
16:43 asciilifeform but my current thought is that antipatches will have to be a thing, yes.
16:43 mircea_popescu huh ?
16:43 asciilifeform e.g. funkenstein's latest patch will need an antipatch
16:43 mircea_popescu no it won't. his branch will be ignored.
16:43 asciilifeform (if his key remains in play)
16:43 asciilifeform ^
16:43 mircea_popescu this is why mod6's leafing is important.
16:44 asciilifeform but if funkenstein learns the ropes and remains a contributor, he will need to antipatch himself.
16:44 mircea_popescu "you can fuck up at most once per trb release"
16:44 mod6 yeah. that patch won't be added into the mirror. now if someone wants to try out his patch locally, they'll have to pull his vpatch, and add his key to the wot manually and then see what happens if they want to press out a branch that includes that vpatch.
16:45 mircea_popescu ^
16:45 mircea_popescu splendid design like that, what's wrong with it.
16:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307987 << this is the right thing.
16:45 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 20:18:43; mod6: yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
16:45 mircea_popescu right.
16:45 asciilifeform the only item that requires manual handling in a correct vtron is keys.
16:45 mircea_popescu you must also be able to describe which "version" you aim.
16:46 asciilifeform naturally
16:46 mircea_popescu well that solves it then.
16:46 asciilifeform (considering that there is not a meaningful default for it, even in principle)
16:46 mircea_popescu exactly. more importantly considering what this gives us :
16:47 mircea_popescu 99c53387aa14a176190880cb00c97fc950133f5af10f3ac is "gimp-v1.0" whereas 9cfb1fc045b401102d02b4ddf581efc7d84e810df28bf80 is "bitcoin v 1.8"
16:47 mircea_popescu and i can even use the same trusted set of keys.
16:47 mircea_popescu and it will know what to pull from either chain
16:47 mircea_popescu ye ken ?
16:47 asciilifeform naturally
16:48 mircea_popescu and if key X took a fart in gimp-v-0.9 big deal, this won't see it anyway.
16:48 asciilifeform it'll be more of a thing once we get the sha1 out of the loop though.
16:48 mircea_popescu yes.
16:48 mircea_popescu the huge problem tho, and im sure you have also been thinking on this on the quiet
16:48 mircea_popescu is that if you set it to what ? sha512 ? little alf v2.0 will come in here and fuck your skull in 20 years
16:48 mircea_popescu "oh how could you pick sha256!!1"
16:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i solved this.
16:49 mircea_popescu "simmer down wildman, it was GREAT in 2015!"
16:49 mircea_popescu "it's 2035 gramps!"
16:49 asciilifeform you will see how, and laugh, i predict.
16:49 mircea_popescu aha ?
16:49 mircea_popescu cool.
16:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298917 << thread where i sorta spilled the beans on this.
16:50 assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 20:12:02; asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
16:50 mircea_popescu aha you want it scriptable
16:50 asciilifeform yes.
16:50 asciilifeform no hardcoded algos, other than arithmetical. period.
16:50 mircea_popescu perhaps. i dun see it yet, but this is mostly because i am not a coder myself.
16:52 * mod6 thinks ont his
16:52 asciilifeform prototype is essentially an 'rpn calculator' where you can push bignums on the stack and instruction 0x01 --> 'pop two, multiply, push back' or 0x70 --> modular-exponentiate, etc.
16:52 asciilifeform the beauty is that with a few hundred bytes of overhead, it can eat standard gpg messages
16:52 asciilifeform (working on reducing this)
16:52 mircea_popescu if you are going to do this, you nut
16:53 mircea_popescu why the fuck not make the machine ternary.
16:53 asciilifeform gnarly on existing iron. doable
16:53 * asciilifeform experimented.
16:53 mircea_popescu who cares
16:53 mircea_popescu so you mean my p4 will take 0.03 seconds instead of the 0.00007 ?
16:53 asciilifeform cause all of a sudden a shr or shl is O(N) !
16:53 mircea_popescu omaigerd.
16:53 asciilifeform you wanne live with that?
16:53 mircea_popescu what bytes ? i have 2jiggabits free
16:54 asciilifeform time dimension.
16:54 mircea_popescu you do not use shr or shl. you use proper algos.
16:54 asciilifeform and they are made of what?
16:54 mircea_popescu does trinary suck ?
16:54 asciilifeform on a binary machine? yes
16:54 mircea_popescu why is this a binary machine ?
16:54 asciilifeform to be clear, i was speaking of emulated computer, not a physical one
16:55 mircea_popescu i understand that. why is this machine of mine binary!
16:55 asciilifeform given that i presently lack a fab
16:55 mircea_popescu if i put two registers together, have i now made a trinary register ?
16:56 asciilifeform take a sharp pencil and work out how base-n arithmetic is done on a base-m box.
16:56 mircea_popescu leaving aside the technical talk, understand the high level strategic considerations.
16:56 asciilifeform and what this costs.
16:56 mircea_popescu IF we are ever going to do this, THIS is the place to test it.
16:56 mircea_popescu the value is relatively small - oh noes, enemy is gonna mess up our code ? so yoy mean like on github ?!
16:57 mircea_popescu the damage is immense - imagine, now they gotta learn ternary to even approach this!
16:57 mircea_popescu find a way to do it in ternary you won a major engagement.
16:58 * asciilifeform admits that he was very tempted to do precisely this. but went in for 'absolute minimum of moving parts' for the current experimental item, for reasons which are not difficult to understand
16:58 mircea_popescu i can see the logic, yes
16:58 mircea_popescu but this logic is better!
16:58 asciilifeform aha but now can't use bignum stack from pgp 1.4, etc.
16:59 mircea_popescu why not ?
16:59 mircea_popescu stop telling me "can't" you'll get yourself fired
16:59 asciilifeform because this is no longer emulating an ideal ternary box
16:59 mircea_popescu what sort of job reversal is this!
16:59 asciilifeform it'd be 'cheating'
16:59 mircea_popescu so cheat.
16:59 asciilifeform then in what sense is the result 'emulated ternary box' ?
17:00 asciilifeform simply that we're encoding constants as ternaries ?
17:00 mircea_popescu ideally that the algos are written for a ternary box
17:00 mircea_popescu which is then WELL emulated on binary box.
17:00 asciilifeform my understanding was that mircea_popescu is asking for a virtual version of something that could later be siliconized.
17:00 mircea_popescu yup
17:01 jurov why not just use urbit, gotta stand on shoulder of giants :D
17:01 mircea_popescu word :D
17:01 asciilifeform anyway it is inevitable that there will be multiple generations of this. it is a very thick mental cock that folks will have to slowly and methodically dilate for before it can fully park.
17:02 mircea_popescu yep.
17:02 mircea_popescu just gotta get clear where it's headed and what we want.
17:02 asciilifeform i can already picture the reaction folks will have to my sha512 that takes 10,001 times longer than the customary one
17:02 mircea_popescu fuck them
17:02 mircea_popescu i can already picture the reaction "folks" will have to anything, from you going naked in the street to you making chirality engine.
17:02 mircea_popescu forget about that.
17:03 mircea_popescu and stop spamming wikipedia or what was it.
17:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37630 @ 0.00053988 = 20.3157 BTC [+] {3}
17:03 asciilifeform lolwat
17:03 mircea_popescu didn't you get banned for spamming something or the other
17:03 mircea_popescu stackoverflow ?
17:03 asciilifeform bunchaplaces. but it was always 'we oughta ban' vs. proper ban
17:03 asciilifeform (perhaps tlp could ascertain exactly why)
17:04 asciilifeform i suppose even this gets 'meta'-d
17:04 mircea_popescu i rcall one ridiculous instance was something about i dunno, b-a related somehow
17:04 asciilifeform it was when some schmuck made a page on mircea_popescu at pediwikia
17:04 mircea_popescu the specifics escape me. burt anyway
17:04 mircea_popescu oh! that it was!
17:04 mircea_popescu see ?
17:05 * asciilifeform bbl, off to do some maths
17:08 mircea_popescu for bonus points : shoots all possible intel "optimization" in the head
17:08 mircea_popescu with a caterpillar combine.
17:09 mircea_popescu this, even if only prototyped, is well in excess of a billion dollars in nsa budget costs. which is, and will for a while be, quite sufficident.
17:09 mircea_popescu or as usgavin_fucktardessen would say, "i always advocated engagement".
17:13 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/hot_sports_reporter_ines_sainz.html << daily tlp win.
17:13 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Hot Sports Reporter Ines Sainz Was Sexually Harassed ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkAiBg )
17:13 mircea_popescu "What you want is to be able to behave sexy, or rude, or ridiculous, or offensive-- and still demand to be seen the way you want to be seen.
17:13 mircea_popescu It may be unfair, but it is the most important fact of human existence: people exist independently of you."
17:25 mircea_popescu Note the power set up. All you fools think that female reporters are in the locker rooms because it is some sort of measure of equality, "why should the males get the best interviews?" that this is somehow a success for equality, something that women had to struggle to earn, and you think that because you were told that.
17:25 mircea_popescu Women didn't earn this over the resistance of an old boy network; the media conglomerates decided it would be awesome to televise a hyperfemale in a locker room with a nearly naked hypermale and pretend there's no sexuality implied. So anything that goes wrong is between individuals, nothing to do with the Machine.
17:25 mircea_popescu CFNM, right there on ESPN.
17:25 mircea_popescu mmmmyeah.
17:38 jurov http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/10/this-11-year-old-is-selling-cryptographically-secure-passwords-for-2-each/
17:38 assbot This 11-year-old is selling cryptographically secure passwords for $2 each | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xse2r3 )
17:38 jurov now that's business
17:40 trinque As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma!
17:41 mircea_popescu younger than usagi
17:41 mircea_popescu anyone recall that idiot's business idea ?
17:46 trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2013#58527 << this thing?
17:46 assbot Logged on 28-05-2013 04:34:42; usagi: Everything TU.SILVER does is better than any other similar business in the community, and I guarantee it will be that way forever, because, I have my legacy to consider
17:48 mod6 <+trinque> As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma! << haha
17:50 mircea_popescu nono
17:51 mircea_popescu he had a "business" to make 8kb or larger rsa keys for "Cusomers"
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17:55 mircea_popescu "And you need not go further than one of our stores on midnight at the end of the month. And it's real interesting to watch, about 11 p.m., customers start to come in and shop, fill their grocery basket with basic items, baby formula, milk, bread, eggs,and continue to shop and mill about the store until midnight, when electronic -- government electronic benefits cards get activated and then the checkout starts and occu
17:55 mircea_popescu rs. And our sales for those first few hours on the first of the month are substantially and significantly higher."
17:55 mircea_popescu ^ walmart ceo
18:05 mircea_popescu bwahaha
18:05 mircea_popescu "The global capitalist system is approaching an apocalyptic zero point... comprised by an ecological crisis, the consequences of a biogenetic revolution, imbalances within the system itself, and the explosive growth of social divisions and exclusions."
18:06 mircea_popescu gotta hand it to the socialist mind. after having spent 50 years explaining how the predictable, obvious and necessary failures of both socialist systems seen to date "aren't really failures of socialism - because the nazis were evil and stalin was wrong),
18:06 mircea_popescu now they move on to pretending like the failure of the third attempt as socialism was really called for no reason "capitalism" and lo and behold, socialism failing EVEN WHEN IT MASQUERADES AS CAPITALISM proves ~capitalism~ doesn't work.
18:06 mircea_popescu there's a reason socialism is the ideology of the stupid, and it's this sorta fatlogic
18:08 mircea_popescu "hey, i didn't lose any weight on that mcdonalds diet - because corporations are evil ; nor when i went to that magical fairy wicca woman, because she was a scammer. but it didn't even work while i was PRETENDING to be working out while watching chicks work out on tv! clearly dieting doesn' work! certainly being fat is the natural state of stupid people!"
18:08 mircea_popescu yey, certainly.
18:09 mircea_popescu capitalims got you from where your president couldn't afford to pay the bill to stay in a hotel in Europe, so he had to stay in the stable section of a cheap inn, to where you could derp about how things should be. it works.
18:09 mircea_popescu what doesn't work is you derping about how things shiould be. never has. never will.
18:20 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/the_legend_of_steven_colbert.html << incidentally, this colbert incident should be studied - STUDIED, like i studied fucking seinfeld - by anyone aspiring to any sort of political (as opposed to technical) involvement in bitcoin.
18:20 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Legend Of Steven Colbert ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPQvbZ )
18:21 mircea_popescu the tv personality went there AS A TV PERSONALITY, to confront the other tv personalities. because that's what everyone in congress is : a b lister, of dubious talent, coming not from central casting but from ballot casting.
18:21 mircea_popescu and he told them exactly what you'd expect : my magic is more powerful than your magic, notwithstanding that your magic contains a statement of its own all-powerfullness and my magic doies not. this is not the criteria.
18:22 mircea_popescu the fact that i get a seat at the table and you have to wait for the reporters to invite you in, that's the criteria.
18:22 mircea_popescu butthurt the hell out of the "system", too.
18:23 mircea_popescu "I think his testimony was not appropriate,"
18:24 mircea_popescu but what difference does it make what a senator [says he] thinks ?
18:26 mircea_popescu (and, note, colber's power has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with "TV" in the sense of "system". the franchises use actors in masks now, because they want to keep the copyrights, it's their "Character"| and why should an actor get to own the face of their character. but colbert is not that. so, no, it's not the system.)
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18:27 mircea_popescu "From this very clear description of the problem comes the most terrible solution imaginable: let's go back to the authoritarian approach." << exactly. there is a reason the schelling points of failing socialism are always PERSONS. you don't like colbert, pick another Dear Leader. what you can not do is go all "country of laws not men", that's dead.
18:39 mircea_popescu and so you know, there's a b lister that's kinda half-black or whatever, from kenya. nobody cares. get all agitated when carson v2.0 turns out to be black.
18:39 mircea_popescu that's why chris rock / chapelle were so important. they didn't make it tho.
18:46 pete_dushenski greetings and salutations !
18:48 pete_dushenski i see that there's a modest pile of logs and quite a bit more trilema to catch up on.
18:49 pete_dushenski j'espere que vous avez tous passez une belle fin de semaine
18:49 jurov plus #eulora. plus btc-dev mailing list. plus tlp. plus....
18:49 pete_dushenski i spent the who weekend speaking french so i'm still thinking in it lol
18:49 pete_dushenski whole*
18:50 pete_dushenski jurov: it never ends !
18:50 mircea_popescu jurov ikr ? i've been spamming the shit out of tlp, but the truth is it's a much more convenient format than trying to make all thgese half and quarter articles into trilema items.
18:50 pete_dushenski not that i'm looking for it to end, mind oyu
18:50 mircea_popescu for that matter - im almost done with 2010, there's only ~4 years left, i should hope im done this month.
18:51 mircea_popescu i do however hold all these as conversation openers, if anyone ever feels like delving into one of the articles etc i'll be happy to hear the conversations. truth is digesting tlp will take more than just this.
18:53 mircea_popescu this incident aside, the cultural production of b-a/b,tmsr~/the cult/however you wish to call it is both scary and exploding on an exponential. i dunno how we'll cope.
18:53 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: going through tlp that methodically and chronologically is sure to yield an interesting unfolding of intellectual development. it'd be pretty well impossible to do with with trilema unless one also spoke ro, but even just the last three years of reading would be a hell of a journey/mindtrip
18:53 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski unlike in the case of tlp, i'm also here to scream back.
18:53 mircea_popescu imagine how the past two weeks would have looked like if ballas was actually up there in the wot.
18:53 pete_dushenski too true
18:54 pete_dushenski you think it'd be that different ? he doesn't seem like much of a boxer
18:54 pete_dushenski would prolly read comments and say "yup, point taken
18:54 pete_dushenski "
18:54 mircea_popescu how wopuld one know.
18:55 pete_dushenski based on comments on tlp.com ?
18:57 mircea_popescu mebbe so huh.
18:57 mircea_popescu i confess i almost never read the comments.
19:00 mircea_popescu for the random pile of asciilifeform's aftermarket shocks : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/fanapt_deconstructing_a_promot.html
19:00 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Fanapt: Deconstructing A Promotional Slide Deck ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrjOVw )
19:00 pete_dushenski ballas isn't even fiesty nor viligent enough to block spam from coming through. "hermes bags! cheap jeans!" abound.
19:01 mircea_popescu turns out fanapt has 5ht7 activity, afaik tlp is right : unique to this drug
19:02 pete_dushenski and then there's the plain bizarre comments such as "Am the happiest woman on earth,, my husband just called me this mornings after divorcing for another woman going to 6Months with the help of this man i met on this site please help me to thank him and the author of this site his name is Dr Aida Wedo His phone number is +2348115436578 his email is africanvoodoorituals@gmail.com my name is William Sarah am from
19:02 pete_dushenski Ohio Thank you very much for your help"
19:05 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1307034 << sounds about right for a man this comfortable with his alcoholism and at the age where he'd have the perspective to recognise it as such
19:05 assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 19:40:09; mircea_popescu: in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
19:06 pete_dushenski much younger and he's just 'enjoying life', much older and he wouldn't be blogging.
19:08 mircea_popescu guess so.
19:09 pete_dushenski convenient ex post narrative but hey, why not
19:18 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: didja drop tlp an email then ?
19:18 mircea_popescu yea
19:19 pete_dushenski just invite him here or... ?
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19:53 mircea_popescu !up pf2k
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59615 @ 0.00053797 = 32.0711 BTC [-] {3}
20:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00054596 = 17.9621 BTC [+] {3}
20:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l re: the prolactin
20:21 asciilifeform phun exercise: loop up what prolactin ~inhibitors~ do in human male.
20:21 asciilifeform *look up
20:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, gabriel_laddel ^
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17710 @ 0.00054603 = 9.6702 BTC [+] {2}
20:26 BingoBoingo lol
20:29 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1308259 << pet sayeth: 'how does mircea_popescu square his masked-superhero-for-fungibility theory with the fact that the actors appear maskless for long stretches of any one of these films ?'
20:29 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 22:26:01; mircea_popescu: (and, note, colber's power has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with "TV" in the sense of "system". the franchises use actors in masks now, because they want to keep the copyrights, it's their "Character"| and why should an actor get to own the face of their character. but colbert is not that. so, no, it's not the system.)
20:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.0005479 = 24.3816 BTC [+] {2}
20:31 BingoBoingo Well, they way they've handled it in the past is they just change actors and STFU. In the past 12 years the Hulk was Eric Bana, then it was Edward Norton, the Mark something or other. Cattle doesn't care.
20:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1308238 << did he also offer a deflowering service ?
20:31 assbot Logged on 25-10-2015 21:51:05; mircea_popescu: he had a "business" to make 8kb or larger rsa keys for "Cusomers"
20:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the theory was, iirc, 'audience won't notice because mask'
20:32 BingoBoingo Noticing happens in degrees.
20:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we did the entire male milking thing with bb a few months ago
20:34 asciilifeform nonono
20:34 asciilifeform ~inhibitors~
20:34 mircea_popescu oh.
20:34 asciilifeform i won't spoil it, will let folks drop their jaws when they look up precisely what.
20:35 mircea_popescu ask pet how does she square the fact that women can't be seen without makeup/their pursew with the fact that most of their existence they spend without either ?
20:35 mircea_popescu "in public!!11"
20:36 asciilifeform speaking only of the particular pet, it is innocent of makeup, and has purse solely because pockets are not consistently implemented in woman's clothing
20:36 mircea_popescu what was it, impotence ?
20:36 asciilifeform nope.
20:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but the way this works isn't like the man in the iron mask. the way this works is to create a fetish of power. "why is X no longer Y ? how can Z become now Y ?" "it's the mask, stupid"
20:37 asciilifeform !s cabergoline
20:37 assbot 0 results for 'cabergoline' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cabergoline
20:37 asciilifeform ^ hm. looks like this one isn't in the logz!
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then - yes.
20:37 asciilifeform makes sense.
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14624 @ 0.00054742 = 8.0055 BTC [-]
20:37 mircea_popescu "Partial isolated prolactin deficiency is rare, and case reports of total isolated prolactin deficiency are rarer still and may have a genetic component (ie, familial puerperal alactogenesis). Although the endocrine and metabolic function of prolactin is not fully understood, the clinical manifestation of prolactin deficiency is probably limited to puerperal alactogenesis." << sayeth Charles T Benson, MD, PhD
20:37 asciilifeform aka 'salute the uniform, not the man.'
20:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is re: females
20:38 asciilifeform notice 'alactogenesis'
20:38 asciilifeform the riddle concerned what it does in males.
20:38 mircea_popescu no refractory period ?
20:38 * mircea_popescu is left guessing
20:38 asciilifeform aha!
20:38 asciilifeform dingdingding
20:38 asciilifeform winner.
20:38 mircea_popescu o lol.
20:39 mircea_popescu this is NOT desirable tho
20:39 asciilifeform there ~is~ apparently an underground market in the drug
20:39 asciilifeform and in the other one, whose name escapes me, which ~doesn't~ also slowly atrophy your heart
20:40 asciilifeform but apparently (i have not verified this personally, nor do i intend to),
20:40 asciilifeform chemistry has an answer for 'i want a female orgasm damnit and fuck the consequences'
20:40 mircea_popescu i am satisfied that i have had rather female orgasms.
20:41 mircea_popescu the trick is, very well trained fellationist.
20:42 asciilifeform how many per minute.
20:42 mircea_popescu not how it works. the trick is very slow stimulation. takes the usual half hour
20:43 mircea_popescu after which you spend however long having lithe orgasms
20:44 asciilifeform at any rate, prolactin appears to be reused in the male as 'off switch.'
20:44 asciilifeform why - ask it, not me.
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81450 @ 0.00054083 = 44.0506 BTC [-] {2}
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21:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87592 @ 0.00053219 = 46.6156 BTC [-] {3}
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12075 @ 0.00053171 = 6.4204 BTC [-] {2}
21:17 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
21:17 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 286.8, Best ask: 286.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 286.8, 24 hour volume: 37571.85862019, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None
21:19 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
21:19 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 285.09, vol: 30655.51471028 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 276.625, vol: 10094.93123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 286.5, vol: 37571.85862019 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 274.09, vol: 0.72974198 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.6367, vol: 63823.40580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 284.40969, vol: 113.93651011 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 273.3704, vol: 135.06881874 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
21:19 BingoBoingo ;;more
21:19 gribble 288.680941668
21:24 * asciilifeform l0lz at the fact that one can get a usg mil-std portable for < 300 usd new
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21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40532 @ 0.0005395 = 21.867 BTC [+] {2}
22:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00053156 = 49.2756 BTC [-] {2}
22:04 kakobrekla url?
22:06 asciilifeform of what?
22:07 kakobrekla you speak of computer no?
22:07 asciilifeform aha
22:08 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:08 gribble Current Blocks: 380564 | Current Difficulty: 6.088382548009828E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 381023 | Next Difficulty In: 459 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:08 asciilifeform dell's 'chromebook 11'. but keep in mind 1) it requires heavy-duty massage to transform into something like a civilized pc and 2) 'mil-std' is not 'stops rifle bullet' but simply means it passed some degree of traditional vibration, dust, water tortures.
22:08 asciilifeform and has rubber all over it.
22:08 kakobrekla all i need to know.
22:09 asciilifeform this one's an intel box.
22:09 asciilifeform (the chrome-widgets come in two varieties, arm and intel)
22:09 asciilifeform out of the box they are quite useless, a kind of 'webtv'
22:09 asciilifeform (for those who remember 1990s)
22:10 asciilifeform these have the distinction of being riotously cheap - no microshit tax in the price.
22:10 asciilifeform for some years i have experiment, on and off, with transforming them into something like a computer
22:10 asciilifeform with variable success.
22:11 asciilifeform (e.g., i had a vivisected arm chromebook with me in romania, as disposable comp.)
22:13 Zuardi asciilifeform do you use crouton or have replaced the webtv completely?
22:14 asciilifeform Zuardi: generally you gotta use crouton to reflash the rom in. after that, proper linux.
22:15 asciilifeform Zuardi: depending on whether you have the patience, you can use 'buildroot' or similar to cook one.
22:15 Zuardi asciilifeform I have a samsung arm one, but still using crouton
22:15 asciilifeform also typically there is a write-protect jumper on the eeprom in the box, that has to be removed.
22:16 asciilifeform i have the early samsung arm box, and a few others
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33458 @ 0.00053059 = 17.7525 BTC [-] {3}
22:16 kakobrekla so mil chromebooks server as disposable terminals? how could those nettops be used for anything anyway?
22:16 kakobrekla serve*
22:16 asciilifeform the jumper in the samsung is a circular sticker of conductive rubber in the upper edge of the mb
22:16 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the dell is a normal intel box inside, just with weird bios.
22:17 asciilifeform what, if anything, in your household calls for one of these things, i cannot say.
22:17 kakobrekla what, a closed turd from google?
22:17 asciilifeform aha! how'd you guess.
22:18 asciilifeform to add insult to injury, gentoo-based!
22:18 asciilifeform (google uses the gpl as a urinal and has, for years. this is not, i think, a secret.)
22:18 kakobrekla so ms will control the govts and google the mil
22:20 asciilifeform google just makes the firmware for these, as i understand.
22:20 kakobrekla just?
22:20 asciilifeform aha
22:20 asciilifeform it isn't a hardware co.
22:20 kakobrekla firmware so innocent.
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00053233 = 4.4183 BTC [+]
22:21 asciilifeform anyway 1st step to using one of these boxes as something like a computer is reformat, naturally.
22:24 asciilifeform but use case is pretty narrow.
22:25 asciilifeform ('need a computer, that is lightweight, but for taking to a place where it is likely to grow legs, e.g., airport)
22:26 asciilifeform they also work ok for running lab instruments (laser, cnc, etc) while taking minimal desk space.
22:27 asciilifeform i cannot recommend them (or any other intel box) for 'airgapped crypto', missile control, reactor, etc.
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00052726 = 37.4355 BTC [-] {3}
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23:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00052495 = 49.3453 BTC [-] {3}
23:05 mircea_popescu !up mitch_callahan
23:05 mircea_popescu !up kdomanski
23:06 mitch_callahan ay yo I'm just lurkin. :)
23:14 mircea_popescu enjoy.
23:18 mitch_callahan always do. I've got far too many logs to catch up on!
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23:44 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> (google uses the gpl as a urinal and has, for years. this is not, i think, a secret.) << "don't be evil"!11
23:45 mircea_popescu but anyway, anyone harassed (do they still do that ?) by gpl weirdos over internet-legalese, point to google, laugh.
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52130 @ 0.00053052 = 27.656 BTC [+]
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123445 @ 0.00053148 = 65.6085 BTC [+] {3}
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