#trilema | 2015-09-14

Logged on 13-09-2015 22:05:59; nubbins`: your name is irrelevant

00:49

and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers << incidentally, this is why a b-a linux is such a low hanging fruit.

00:50

but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great.

00:50

what hysteresis

00:51

in between me pointing out gentoo does not actually work and alf getting off his "works for me" horse.

00:52

there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all.

00:53

heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel?

00:53

maybe. but ancient crypto is useless.

00:53

modern crypto useless for the reason stated

00:54

well, "ancient".

00:54

there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.

00:54

1990s.

00:54

if it boots emacs, i'm in.

00:55

"the programmer's portable os"

00:55

<gernika> I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off."

00:56

quite a ways to go to what we actually want to have.

00:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study.

00:57

Logged on 14-09-2015 02:34:49; asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study.

00:57

wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition.

00:58

;;calc 16 * 365 * 50

00:58

gribble

292000

00:58

maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human.

00:59

the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is.

00:59

but 3k years' worth of bumbling efforts at "teaching" math by ear certainly never got very far with it.

01:01

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273646 << algebra is easily the hardest part. not even just because the notion of number is easily the most complex abstraction we've invented to date.

01:01

Logged on 14-09-2015 02:41:49; *: gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.

01:01

ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too.

01:02

!gettrust kruzt

01:02

kruzt is not registered in WoT.

01:03

;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה

01:03

gribble

The operation succeeded.

01:06

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273206 << actually, ask danielpbarron

01:06

Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!

01:06

^^^ danielpbarron

01:07

BingoBoingo

<mircea_popescu> there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux?

01:08

thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing"

01:08

yeah!

01:09

ben_vulpes: childbearing seems unappealing to me

01:09

the things women generally enthuse about doing to cocks doesn't appeal to me either.

01:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112414 @ 0.00074104 = 83.3033 BTC [-] {5}

01:12

like hitting dudes in the balls? that isn't very fun either.

01:12

no man, like sucking cocks and bearing children.

01:12

how are those two things related?!?

01:13

things women do that i don't!

01:13

being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol

01:13

i would need 9 months of xanex for that

01:14

i actually don't think all the xanex in the world would help

01:18

what about xanax ?

01:28

it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of

01:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76300 @ 0.00074034 = 56.4879 BTC [-] {4}

01:44

fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar"

01:45

either way - http://memeburn.com/2015/09/education-is-the-big-hurdle-blocking-bitcoin-growth-in-africa/

01:45

Education is the big hurdle blocking Bitcoin growth in Africa - Memeburn ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9Y2Yz )

01:45

and here i thought it was money, or lack of it

01:49

fluffypony

cazalla: he follows me on Twitter and we've pm'd a bit, don't know him outside of that

01:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00074838 = 6.8918 BTC [+] {4}

01:56

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html

01:56

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9YKF1 )

01:57

"The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling"

01:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00075932 = 4.1618 BTC [+]

01:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88319 @ 0.00075998 = 67.1207 BTC [+] {6}

02:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40449 @ 0.00076056 = 30.7639 BTC [+] {2}

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02:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00075879 = 47.8038 BTC [-]

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02:37

punkman: College loans maybe the greatest scam yet.

02:38

Go to school work for school for cheap. Pay back loans for years to come.

02:38

all whilst still poor

02:38

and still uneducated

02:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97353 @ 0.00076118 = 74.1032 BTC [+] {6}

02:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235593 @ 0.00076292 = 179.7386 BTC [+] {9}

02:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00075879 = 76.7137 BTC [-]

03:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00075879 = 17.3004 BTC [-]

03:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13905 @ 0.00076577 = 10.648 BTC [+]

03:18

holy shit punkman

03:19

are those "hundreds of colleges" pretty much community "colleges" etc ?

03:19

and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is.

03:20

highschool grad in unionized job (police, plumbing, roadwork, you name it) does iirc 30-40k in his 30s.

03:21

it did mention barber/cosmetology "colleges" were included

03:23

seems there's ~7k colleges in the us. "hundreds" is meaningless in this context.

03:23

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

03:23

Fast Facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5TSO6 )

03:23

(note the .asp for a lol.)

03:24

mircea_popescu: Title IV are just the ones the gov will loan you money to attend

03:25

right

03:32

BingoBoingo

ASP, Adobe cold fusion, nothing more toxic than an American college website

03:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23293 @ 0.00075873 = 17.6731 BTC [-] {3}

03:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00076582 = 17.9968 BTC [+] {3}

03:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4426 @ 0.00076599 = 3.3903 BTC [+]

03:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00074461 = 51.6015 BTC [-] {4}

04:08

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00467408 = 3.5056 BTC [+] {4}

04:08

thestringpuller since you were asking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVCZagJtj8&t=16m14s

04:08

Julia Tourianski: State Control Perpetually Increasing Until Collapse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lt7gZT )

04:09

apparently she's reading the logs.

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04:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074186 = 35.9802 BTC [-]

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04:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172957 @ 0.00076666 = 132.5992 BTC [+] {6}

04:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90223 @ 0.00076623 = 69.1316 BTC [-] {5}

04:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00076832 = 10.967 BTC [+] {2}

~ 32 minutes ~

05:24

BingoBoingo

And reddit runs out of node budget https://archive.is/AAWwW

05:24

Anyone running a full node for their apps/websites? Where do you store it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iplUuj )

05:28

LOL

05:28

I have a paltry node budget, I run it anyway.

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05:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141483 @ 0.00074961 = 106.0571 BTC [-] {6}

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06:10

http://mashable.com/2015/09/12/us-open-final-ticket-price-drop/

06:10

Nobody wants to go to the US Open anymore now that Serena is out ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNkx53 )

~ 29 minutes ~

06:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76313 @ 0.00073824 = 56.3373 BTC [-] {3}

06:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241150 @ 0.00077003 = 185.6927 BTC [+] {8}

06:58

herp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/business/dealbook/pitfalls-for-the-unwary-borrower-out-on-the-frontiers-of-banking.html

06:58

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHJibg )

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07:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273688 << https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/643289336524345344

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00073927 = 47.1654 BTC [-]

07:36

danielpbarron

07:36

Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron

07:45

Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult.

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110546 @ 0.00074261 = 82.0926 BTC [+] {2}

07:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48858 @ 0.00073816 = 36.065 BTC [-] {5}

07:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152585 @ 0.0007505 = 114.515 BTC [+] {3}

08:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00073708 = 87.8599 BTC [-] {3}

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08:22

well, Australia just got their 5th prime minister in 5 years - not that i expect anyone actually gives a fuck http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defeats-tony-abbott-in-liberal-leadership-spill-to-become-prime-minister-20150914-gjmhiu.html

08:22

Malcolm Turnbull defeats Tony Abbott in Liberal leadership spill to become prime minister ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6nD1g )

08:23

this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him

08:29

BingoBoingo it's fortunate that moore's law hosts nodes for free in moore's legal datacenter

08:30

otherwise i dunno what they'd do.

08:34

lead it to where ?

08:36

davout

ohai asseteristas

08:37

hola.

08:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215950 @ 0.00073621 = 158.9845 BTC [-] {6}

08:58

!up HeySteve

08:58

HeySteve

hey, thanks funkenstein_

08:59

HeySteve

having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in

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09:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00075478 = 62.1184 BTC [+] {3}

09:35

the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels.

09:36

a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way

09:39

but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved

09:46

"luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch"

09:48

mod6

heheh

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10:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132061 @ 0.00075821 = 100.13 BTC [+] {2}

10:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10189 @ 0.00075926 = 7.7361 BTC [+]

10:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00075926 = 7.0611 BTC [+]

~ 35 minutes ~

10:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59306 @ 0.00076059 = 45.1076 BTC [+] {3}

11:06

https://i.imgur.com/KCcGbJ5.png <<< Insight on refugee crisis

11:06

... ( http://bit.ly/1KO1rvM )

11:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47476 @ 0.00077195 = 36.6491 BTC [+] {3}

11:21

!up Martin777

11:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00077224 = 9.131 BTC [+] {2}

11:23

shinohai in other news, the isis throughput seems to be about 3%.

11:23

(isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.)

11:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00077225 = 56.0654 BTC [+]

11:29

Doesn't surprise me a all.

11:35

Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically "

11:37

!up anton_osika

11:37

Thanks.

11:38

nw

11:38

I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words...

11:39

kakobrekla

we dont have a problem with words here but with concepts.

11:41

I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc.

11:42

When you PM'd me and said you had your "PGP keys unprobabilistically stolen" I was left scratching my head.

11:42

New tyoe of theft to me.

11:44

Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable.

11:44

Hope it clarifies.

11:49

If you put money in your wallet and someone takes it out, do you think that is also fail-safe recoverable?

11:49

Or say, the keys to your apartment?

11:55

anton_osika: that is not what that word means

11:55

http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/09/14/banks-decryption-keys-symphony.html?ana=twt

11:55

Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, and Bank of New York Mellon agree to hand over decrption keys to Symphony - New York Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaGEPm )

11:55

you are looking for "improbably"

11:56

Bet this will be interesting.

12:01

he was trying to say "improbably" o noes!

12:01

anyway, bbl!

12:01

o/ cheers

12:02

was just halpin

12:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43691 @ 0.00077349 = 33.7946 BTC [+] {3}

12:13

!up anton_osika

12:14

Funkenstein_ wrote a nice line above.

12:14

Regarding WoT.

12:14

So the people in #bitcoin-xt have some terrible links in their WoT

12:14

i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers

12:14

^ sounds like an awesome idea.

12:15

If, hypothetically, people agree that I would have enough proof of being the long party, in this contract: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A

12:15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )

12:16

Would people here give their WoT that this long party should receive the delivery?

12:16

anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions.

12:16

And the verification of the identity I am thinking of is not so hypothetical.

12:17

and the contact is solely with him; not with the WoT

12:17

trinque: I am sorry if that is what is seems.

12:17

*contract

12:17

this sounds like when Usagi lost his/her backups

12:18

Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts.

12:20

!down anton_osika

12:20

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 229 @ 0.00488017 = 1.1176 BTC [-]

12:23

can someone fill me in on what's going on?

12:23

thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday

12:23

dude wrote GPG contract, contract was partially executed, dude lost his key to prove delivery?

12:23

yar

12:23

He made a deal will the devil betting on Ethereum anyway.

12:23

why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...

12:24

usagi 2.0: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/31/usagi-back-back-back-it-up-ayee/

12:27

fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ

12:28

fluffypony

good times

12:30

WoT seems to work as advertised. Usagi completely vanished after Pete's assassination of him.

12:32

I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.

12:36

That wasn't nearly as bad as pirate collapse.

12:39

!ticker h rent

12:39

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00841001 / 0.00912056 / 0.00999999 (290 shares, 2.64496239 BTC), 30D: 0.00781001 / 0.00955043 / 0.01150000 (636 shares, 6.07407109 BTC)

12:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00076906 = 65.1394 BTC [-] {3}

12:46

!up ascii_field

12:47

how goes the uranium mines mr. ascii_field

12:49