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00:00 pete_dushenski no misprint.
00:00 pete_dushenski you just give them the phone back after a year
00:00 pete_dushenski in exchange for new one
00:01 asciilifeform presumably new one of same type ?
00:01 asciilifeform then wtf is the point
00:01 pete_dushenski the trick being that the phone depreciates $100 - 200 per year, and crapple's charging customers twice that
00:01 asciilifeform i thought it depreciated to ~0 after you pop the crate
00:01 asciilifeform (who the hell buys a secondhand ipNohe ?!)
00:02 pete_dushenski then apple resells 'refurbished phones' and makes profit
00:02 pete_dushenski tons. huge market for used iphones
00:02 pete_dushenski not everyone can afford full sticker lvmh
00:02 pete_dushenski so, knock-offs, used, etc is the next best thing
00:03 pete_dushenski hell, iphone 4 (5 years old?) still bring in >$100
00:04 pete_dushenski plus, ppl break and lose their phones constantly, so want to replace with similar without going back to cell phone co.
00:05 pete_dushenski so why not save a couple benjamins using craigslist, kijiji, ebay, etc.
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00:26 pete_dushenski ok, just checked pricing : new iphone 6s plus 128 gb is $1`289. used iphone 6 plus 128 gb is $850 here. a difference of $439.
00:28 pete_dushenski now if apple's 'iphone upgrade program' were available in canada, which is isn't, this phone would have to be ~cdn$50/month, seeing as usd$ pricing 'starts at $32/mo' for base iphone 6s with 32 gb and cdn-usd is 0.75.
00:28 pete_dushenski very back of napkin, yes, but apple comes out ahead, as you'd fully expect.
00:29 pete_dushenski usians are free to do their own calcs
00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6439 @ 0.00072686 = 4.6803 BTC [-]
00:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41753 @ 0.00072703 = 30.3557 BTC [+] {2}
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4197 @ 0.00073062 = 3.0664 BTC [+]
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25268 @ 0.00072659 = 18.3595 BTC [-] {3}
01:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6035 @ 0.00073062 = 4.4093 BTC [+]
01:15 pete_dushenski !s blockr
01:15 assbot 43 results for 'blockr' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockr
01:18 pete_dushenski in other news, "Britain's spy agency the GCHQ has changed its password security guidance in a new document offering sensible advice that, if followed, should harden systems and make life easier for admins and users. The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls."
01:18 pete_dushenski "By simplifying your organisation's approach, you can reduce the workload on users, lessen the support burden on IT departments, and combat the false sense of security that unnecessarily complex passwords can encourage."
01:19 pete_dushenski good grief, charlie brown.
01:20 pete_dushenski i honestly hope gchq follows their own recommendations. should make for some good lulz when they get pwned.
01:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00073275 = 17.5127 BTC [+] {3}
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01:48 pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo something a little more interesting than a blazer for ya : http://bringatrailer.com/2014/10/20/lexus-v8-swapped-1988-toyota-4runner/
01:48 assbot Lexus V8 Swapped: 1988 Toyota 4Runner | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4UVks )
01:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00073884 = 5.1349 BTC [+]
01:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:01 thestringpuller pete_dushenski is up late
02:04 deedbot- [Qntra] Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 - http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/
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02:20 cazalla sheeit, another user an hero's himself http://www.bulletinleader.com/ashley-madison-pastor-commits-suicide/74435/
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02:20 assbot Ashley Madison pastor commits suicide » Bulletin Leader ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFkrKd )
02:22 pete_dushenski deedbot-'s back !
02:22 pete_dushenski ;;later tell trinque wd on deedbot-, as ever. any progress with the bitbet integration ?
02:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:23 pete_dushenski cazalla: interesting choice to call those coindesk photos as belonging to 'dixie'
02:23 pete_dushenski i get that the bubbles are yours, but why no proper attribution ? say, to the flickr page ?
02:24 punkman "Nishimura estimated that around US$15,000 had been paid to blackmailers targeting Ashley Madison users."
02:24 punkman eh peanuts
02:26 pete_dushenski "...and smart contracts ensure the autism medicine arrives on time." << mega-lol!!
02:26 punkman !up Vexual
02:27 Vexual punkmans more adverse to a query than bulldoig
02:27 Vexual howzit punk?
02:27 Vexual willl you lay an egg if i dcc?
02:28 punkman heatwave's killing me
02:29 pete_dushenski “GoDaddy reasonably relied in good faith on the representations made by the registrants of the Accused Domains stating that the registration of those domains did not violate any third party trademark rights,” he wrote. “As a result, GoDaddy could not have used or trafficked in any of the Accused Domains with a subjective bad faith intent to profit from the AMPAS Marks until such time as GoDaddy received no
02:29 pete_dushenski tice by a third party of a potential issue.”
02:29 Vexual really?
02:29 pete_dushenski nice try, Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences
02:29 cazalla pete_dushenski, asked the rabbit, he said something 'bout face use and fuck coindesk
02:29 cazalla fair use even
02:30 pete_dushenski men lie, women lie, bunnies don't
02:31 pete_dushenski but seriously, that vitalik line had be lol'ing
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00073216 = 13.2887 BTC [-]
02:32 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZu3EUVJ8-4
02:32 assbot Crystal Castles - Untrust Us - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii7ZpX )
02:33 Vexual i still like punk
02:35 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269820 lol
02:35 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 01:42:35; BingoBoingo: Fucking wikisocialism http://www.wikihow.com/Dampen-the-Enthusiasm-of-Your-Neighbors-Who-Want-to-Add-a-New-Fence
02:35 punkman what's this communal fence business
02:35 cazalla how else do you do it punkman ?
02:36 punkman cazalla: you want a fence, you build it and it's none of my business?
02:36 Vexual this
02:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40440 @ 0.00073216 = 29.6086 BTC [-] {2}
02:37 cazalla i guess that works, but knocking on ya neighbourinos door and asking if they too think it's time to replace the fence works ok (did this last year)
02:38 cazalla then agian, i live in the 'burbs where people at least try to make their homes presentable
02:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1710 @ 0.00073281 = 1.2531 BTC [+]
02:38 Vexual gudDmgr1H3o
02:45 Vexual K8KgP2aOXcA
02:45 punkman cazalla: guess it might make some sense if you know the guy
02:45 pete_dushenski !down Vexual
02:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18406 @ 0.00072916 = 13.4209 BTC [-] {4}
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12344 @ 0.00072647 = 8.9675 BTC [-]
02:48 cazalla http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852.html lol bravo "Australi Witness's online actions might have had fatal real-world consequences in May. In the leadup to an exhibition in Garland, Texas, at which pictures of the Prophet Mohammed were to be displayed, "Australi Witness" tweeted the event's address and reposted a tweet urging people to go there with "weapons, bombs or wi
02:48 assbot FBI says 'Australian IS jihadist' is actually a Jewish American troll named Joshua Ryne Goldberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii9l3W )
02:48 cazalla th knifes".
02:55 punkman https://primitivetechnology.wordpress.com/
02:55 assbot | Making stuff from scratch in the wild ... ( http://bit.ly/1iia0CG )
02:57 pete_dushenski re ^ : wake stan up when guy makes kalash bullets :)
02:58 mircea_popescu hola!
02:58 pete_dushenski ahoy!
02:58 pete_dushenski your stomach has settled ?
02:58 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269855 guess that's the usual deal, unless you work for the gov
02:58 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:00:18; cazalla: Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid)
02:59 mircea_popescu oh man that was brutal.
02:59 mircea_popescu cazalla don't they have overtime where you live ? 8 x 25 + 4 x 50 = 400/day not so bad.
03:00 cazalla yeah, they do, but that was included.. was more like we'll pay you to work 8am-4pm but we need you to work 7am-6pm
03:00 cazalla was not i mean
03:00 mircea_popescu lol australia is that fucked huh.
03:03 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/#comment-115298 << for the record i can attest a) that this is worth 20 iq points easyu and b) that about 50% of beatings slavegirls get in their first five years are related to failure to follow this principle / the enforcement of this principle in their head. it's worth it.
03:03 assbot An hero is he... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lno1pc )
03:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8740 @ 0.00073281 = 6.4048 BTC [+]
03:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39610 @ 0.00073563 = 29.1383 BTC [+] {2}
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03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00072647 = 12.3137 BTC [-]
03:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49575 @ 0.00072637 = 36.0098 BTC [-] {3}
03:35 pete_dushenski http://www.oaklandzoo.org/Animal_Art_Show_2015.php
03:35 assbot Oakland Zoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERyFrA )
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04:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house.
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04:25 assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!!
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00072604 = 17.425 BTC [-] {2}
04:28 mircea_popescu http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 << ahjaha jesus fucking christ this is so stupid.
04:28 assbot Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
04:28 mircea_popescu who the fuck gives a shit what some inadequate "Imogen Ibbett" felt at any point ?
04:29 deedbot- [Trilema] The great Nedeflorena show - http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/
04:29 mircea_popescu it's a surgery training program not a fucking daycare.
04:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269560 << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing
04:31 assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 16:45:31; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/ << Re: proliferation of weird tx recently
04:31 mircea_popescu and then counting "mentions" as a proof of "success".
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.000737 = 13.6397 BTC [+]
04:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269604 << lol. clearly the usg isn't fudging anything, and anyone who wants to laugh at their inept self-lying has to explain... the something numbers
04:34 assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 18:49:07; mats: >According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions.
04:34 mircea_popescu i don't recall what exactrly, ritholz has it.
04:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5716 @ 0.00073718 = 4.2137 BTC [+]
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00073718 = 14.5224 BTC [+]
04:36 mircea_popescu The report alleges that when the analysts' complaints were initially aired, some of those who complained were urged to retire, and did so.
04:36 mircea_popescu bwahahah.
04:36 mircea_popescu they went to work for metansa right alf ?
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04:38 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ... << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing << Honestly this latest failure is probably the end of covering them at all. Some derpy block explorers are claiming hundreds of MB of mempool off of people pushing mega dust collection t
04:38 BingoBoingo x on them, but I don't see any of them even getting relayed here. Really it's like WTF they are letting other people try to clean up the mess they made in the UTXO set.
04:38 mircea_popescu never happened as best i can see
04:38 jurov ;;later tell pete_dushenski done
04:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00072559 = 18.3574 BTC [-] {3}
04:39 mircea_popescu this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
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04:39 mircea_popescu the completely warantless pretense that some sort of notable forces of the idiotards are you know, right past the horizon ready toi get into the fray
04:39 mircea_popescu i've called the bluff every time, it turned out to be a bluff every time.
04:40 mircea_popescu somehow tho i don't expect a change of strategy. kinda hard to do anything else when got nothing whatsoever.'
04:40 BingoBoingo Oh there's people trying to sweep those private keys, but no one relays that shit anymore. If it wasn't for the fail way they are trying to spam in reverse now, it would be like qntra covering the weather. Instead it's just another loop to make in the rope.
04:42 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/lopp/status/642001050564698112?replies_view=true&cursor=APDW4mDZ6Ag << o hey, check you peoples out!
04:43 mircea_popescu jameson Lopp @lopp · 17h17 hours ago
04:43 mircea_popescu @anarcholiberty @jonmatonis @adam3us @Joi @techreview @qntra is hateful inaccurate propaganda; their useful points are overshadowed by it.
04:43 mircea_popescu who the fuck is jameson lopp ?
04:43 davout mircea_popescu: "If you impaled it's perfect." <<< kek'd
04:43 * mircea_popescu waves
04:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> who the fuck is jameson lopp ? << 'statoshi' on other forms some herpity derp creature working for BitGo, some wallet thing
04:44 mircea_popescu oh wait, the xt promoter dude ?
04:44 BingoBoingo Yeah
04:44 BingoBoingo One of them
04:44 mircea_popescu awww, it so deeply matters that guy doesn't like qntra
04:44 mircea_popescu i was so totally expecting he would, srsly.
04:44 BingoBoingo Seriousy
04:45 * BingoBoingo has been humming "I didn't start the slander..." to the tune of Billy Joel
04:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269649 << stresstesting the network eh ?
04:46 assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 20:14:41; shinohai: Thanx mod6. Appears to be all I lost besides an old crummy BTC wallet that only had dust in it.
04:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos ?
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04:46 assbot We Didn't Start the Flame War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F0RMiH )
04:46 mircea_popescu except in this case, we did. but anyway.
04:47 BingoBoingo I can't help it if this lopp kid want's to try his hand at slander without the strength of kakobrekla's slanderous soul of legend
04:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269677 << pass the bong brother.
04:49 assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 21:16:03; mats: assad's regime and isis on the field of battle, with hopes that ru gets to enjoy afghan part 2
04:49 punkman mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc << I think there's more than a handful that don't need to touch C at all
04:49 assbot Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!!
04:49 mircea_popescu punkman on what, the symbolics machine ? that can't even be shipped ?
04:49 mircea_popescu cmon.
04:49 punkman on x86
04:49 mircea_popescu link
04:50 punkman http://picolisp.com/wiki/?home
04:50 assbot PicoLisp Wiki: home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvrZu )
04:50 punkman " 64 bit version (written in asm)"
04:50 mircea_popescu o.O
04:50 mircea_popescu i stand impressed.
04:50 mircea_popescu asm lisp, srsly ?
04:50 punkman not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
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04:51 mircea_popescu There is a 32 bit version (written in C), a 64 bit version (written in asm), a 64-bit emulator as well as a Java version.
04:51 * mircea_popescu has doubts.
04:55 deedbot- [Qntra] Mark Karpelès Charged With Embezzelment in Latest MtGox Criminal Charge - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mark-karpeles-charged-with-embezzelment-in-latest-mtgox-criminal-charge/
04:55 BingoBoingo Title fixed
04:55 mircea_popescu omfg all the nice things ppl say! no wonder i was feeling better later that same day!!1
04:56 BingoBoingo Seriously
04:56 BingoBoingo Also what happened to the food taster who is supposed to prevent these things
04:57 mircea_popescu sometimes i live dangerously!
04:57 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270111 <<< how the fuck is that a "College Humour original" when it is an obvios copy of ytmnd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-DMIf-WZYU
04:57 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 08:46:17; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos ?
04:57 assbot We Didn't Start This Website (YTMND) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvSmS )
04:57 mircea_popescu cazalla i don't thinbk you understand how hot topic works.
04:57 BingoBoingo ^
04:57 mircea_popescu bitcoin is also a mit original technologee.
04:58 mircea_popescu im sorry, "blockchain"
04:58 BingoBoingo College Humor is like a level 2 welfare spammatron. A bit more polished than warrior forum, but still an IAB spam thing.
04:59 mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/nyFe8jk.jpg << what the fuck is this sutpid shit
04:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4n0IF )
04:59 BingoBoingo Sorry IAC
04:59 punkman fanplanet
05:00 mircea_popescu so what is it, captain plunger ?
05:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's leik the new bronies
05:00 BingoBoingo http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Minions
05:00 assbot Minions (Western Animation) - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnw6Ku )
05:01 mircea_popescu sandra bullock ?
05:01 mircea_popescu no fucking wonder i never heard of it.
05:01 BingoBoingo Voice acting
05:01 BingoBoingo But apparently
05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00073718 = 14.7805 BTC [+]
05:02 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/tx/9231f2c2f189cfda4b8e7fa0d16b16a22b9e8da04b8f542cd787116dbefaa450?show_adv=true << BIP100/Mined by haobtckds3
05:02 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 9231f2c2f189cfda4b8e7fa0d16b16a22b9e8da04b8f542cd787116dbefaa450 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnwfh2 )
05:02 BingoBoingo It's apparently a propaganda film telling children it is ok to be fat, stupid and incompetent. Stuff works out jsut look at reddit.
05:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, i've said this a few times but it readily gets forgotten : coinbase fragmentation is threatening to become a rather serious problem for bitcoin eventually.
05:03 mircea_popescu could be a much stricter limit on scalability than the block size
05:03 mircea_popescu specifically : the total number of bitcoin units of account that can be circulating is 2100000000000000.
05:04 mircea_popescu if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
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05:05 mircea_popescu the system will have to track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items. which, at say half a kb weight each, will cost exabytes to fully move
05:07 davout and at this point transaction fees can't exist anymore
05:07 mircea_popescu exactly.
05:07 punkman gonna need more decimal points
05:07 mircea_popescu there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
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05:07 mircea_popescu would really benefit from more discussion and modelling.
05:08 mircea_popescu because you know for a fact as btc will run up to 10k next, the "consumers need this improvement" thing will be lowering the spam limit.
05:08 mircea_popescu which itself is sensible, but wtf does it do ?
05:09 mircea_popescu punkman obviously there are no decimal points. nor were there ever.
05:09 punkman eh more, zeroes then
05:09 BingoBoingo Integers all the way down.
05:09 mircea_popescu this is oft repeatred you know "we'll just add more zeroes"
05:09 mircea_popescu orly ? how ? what will it do ?
05:11 davout scalabitchity
05:11 jurov lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
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05:11 jurov "she even made me a coffee"
05:11 BingoBoingo Eh, so Satoshi actually invented Bitcoin with too many units. Too much divisibility
05:12 mircea_popescu jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
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05:13 punkman "track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items" blocksize limit certainly protects against this
05:13 davout "will cost exabytes to fully move" <<< it's ok because moore's law
05:14 punkman I don't see why adding more zeros isn't possible, nontrivial sure, probably on the order of changing workfunction
05:15 mircea_popescu do you understand what effects it has ?
05:15 punkman haven't really thought about it
05:16 mircea_popescu exactly my point.
05:16 mircea_popescu collectively we've not spent nearly enough thinking about that angle.
05:18 BingoBoingo It may just be that the last 4 digits are there for precision and signalling.
05:18 mircea_popescu possible.
05:18 mircea_popescu currently it works with the last 5 digits pretty much being unusable other than for that.
05:18 mircea_popescu so hgow much can be yielded ? 1 more ? 2 ? 5 ? a full 32 ? a full 64 more ?
05:18 punkman on an unrelated note, I think I have a rough algorithm for dealing with V patch conflicts
05:19 mircea_popescu that should nbe interesting to see
05:19 BingoBoingo Could be we end up with 1 less
05:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo think about it this way, the spam tx limit is currently worth very little. if it runs up to 10k it will be worth cents.
05:21 BingoBoingo I could see the spam tx limit run up to 100k and be worth dollars
05:21 mircea_popescu and it can not be underscored enough how that is a much larger problem than the recent block size nonsense.
05:21 mircea_popescu here, we discusased "potential users" and the blocks haven't been full etc
05:21 BingoBoingo Seriously this is the shit that needs modeled.
05:21 mircea_popescu there, we'll be discussing "you may not use bitcoin to transfer less than 2.8 dollars' worth"
05:21 mircea_popescu very hugely different sort of limitation on the usage.
05:21 BingoBoingo Indeed
05:23 BingoBoingo at $100k bitcoin we could be talking about no practical way to send less than a crisp hundred dollar bill
05:23 mircea_popescu at least as it is now.
05:24 BingoBoingo But at that point the hundred dollar bill might not be worth a loaf of bread
05:24 mircea_popescu why not ?
05:24 BingoBoingo The Wiemar USistan
05:25 mircea_popescu i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
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05:25 mircea_popescu here, there's bitcoin
05:25 mircea_popescu it forces the paper and assorted fiats into stability.
05:25 mircea_popescu sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
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05:26 davout what spam limit are you referring to?
05:26 mircea_popescu what was it, 20k
05:27 mircea_popescu 5k ?
05:28 davout the minimum output size?
05:28 davout the dust thing?
05:28 mircea_popescu ya
05:30 davout it's not very clear to me how this thing works
05:31 mircea_popescu which thing ?
05:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31393 @ 0.00073424 = 23.05 BTC [-] {3}
05:33 mircea_popescu "Welcome to Bitcoin SIG We are a group of Mensa members who are interested in cryptocurrency and enjoy discussing the developments occurring in this space."
05:33 mircea_popescu ahahahaah o god.
05:33 davout looks like a limit based on the minimum relay fee
05:33 davout but that is only enforced at relay level, and by some miners
05:33 davout it's by no means a hard protocol limit
05:34 mircea_popescu davout for sure not. but it does practically worek to keep tx large enough, and more importantly, coinbases few.
05:34 mircea_popescu only works because btc is not too valuable atm.
05:34 mircea_popescu what happens when this prop is no longer available ?
05:35 mircea_popescu we're, at least to my eyes, in the situation where we've built something against a sleeping rhino. once it gets up and moves, what happens ?
05:36 davout looks to me like this highlights another aspect of the tragedy of the commons thing, because miners don't bear the full cost of a large UTXO, they have no particular incentive to give fee rebates to UTXO-consolidating transactions
05:37 mircea_popescu quite.
05:37 mircea_popescu i think for a while gentmenan-ness will prevail and the consolidaitons will be mined in preference
05:37 mircea_popescu but this is no sort of solution.
05:37 mircea_popescu ie, you'll never have that many legitimate txns that also consolidate. especially as the size opf bitcoin economy increases.
05:38 mircea_popescu by very definition, increased size = fragmentation of coinage.
05:38 mircea_popescu and i suspect the coinbase count will be, going forward, one of the most important metrics of economic health.
05:38 mircea_popescu sorta like replacement for gnp
05:39 davout you mean the spendable outputs?
05:40 mircea_popescu yes.
05:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19566 @ 0.00073718 = 14.4237 BTC [+]
05:40 mircea_popescu coinbase count = the number of available inputs.
05:40 davout ah, my definition of coinbase is a spendable output that was not created by spending another output, ie. new money
05:40 mircea_popescu fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn't be in a situation where input and outpuit means the same thing
05:41 mircea_popescu davout well that's the meaningful sense of the term when you're doing graph traversal and whatnot, cause it's where it starts. but in this context it seemed to me it'd rather mean , "clumps of satoshi available to be spent"
05:41 davout it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
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05:42 mircea_popescu bitcoin is too phalocentric.
05:45 BingoBoingo And now for the Latest out the the MIT Bitcoin Studies department https://i.imgur.com/TwnFjdX.png
05:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nt6TEx )
05:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269853 << i'll say tho, warnings have to be specific and useful.
05:49 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 02:58:51; assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ?
05:49 mircea_popescu "be careful!" is not a warning.
05:49 mircea_popescu "this bear likes to fuck people ; you an tell it's horny by the red patch above its nose" IS a warning.
05:50 BingoBoingo !b 2
05:50 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1P513CV.txt )
05:50 mircea_popescu in this context it was specifically re chillum's protests re security practices etc.
05:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269858 << lol he has it.
05:51 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:02:43; Vexual: warning: bitcoin
05:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269863 << maybe it's not obvious what "no questions asked" means.
05:52 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:16:09; pete_dushenski: "Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investiga
05:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269882 << but, remarkably, not really fuck. and the reason isn't some sort of misplaced propriety
05:53 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role."
05:54 mircea_popescu the reason is that fuck is too expensive for the man.
05:57 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269902 << so then it's the rifht move ?
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05:57 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:34:09; asciilifeform: with no gurlz, there is 'flat hierarchy'
05:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269911 lol was it ?!
05:58 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:38:05; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it was priced, to a penny, to match mircea_popescu conf
05:58 * mircea_popescu wasn't paying attention.
05:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269922 << you should have seen the indian food.
05:59 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:40:23; pete_dushenski: with the cold sandwiches on PAPER plates at 'consensus'.
06:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now
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06:00 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:47:45; pete_dushenski: ^ from a study of southern italy over past 40 years
06:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269953 << omfg they didn;'t actually just do that ?!
06:01 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 03:58:53; pete_dushenski: ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone
06:02 mircea_popescu omfg they did. ok, this is the dumbest move apple ever took, or could have taken. the only remainder value in the entire pointless entreprise was the perception of value. this is the texbook way to ruin perception of value : put them on a monthly installment, like fucking diapers.
06:02 mircea_popescu who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
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06:04 mircea_popescu tim cook is officially retarded.
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06:04 mircea_popescu (wtf is this conflation of sales and ops going on at apple anyway)
06:05 phf maybe they realized that iphone is not cool anymore, and switched to milking it for quantity
06:05 mircea_popescu this is the wrong approach to do that.
06:05 mircea_popescu they lost 20bn in brand value for a few million in cash. and they have cash.
06:05 mircea_popescu they should be flowing things the other way around ffs.
06:06 punkman they want wider adoption
06:06 mircea_popescu sigh.
06:06 punkman aye
06:06 mircea_popescu The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls." << in other words, "password gimmicks don't work an we're back to ip bans, in a 100% reversal of the fecal consensus of 2005"
06:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269997 << win. it's regrettable that more "average people" aren't heroes already, srsly.
06:07 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 06:20:30; cazalla: sheeit, another user an hero's himself http://www.bulletinleader.com/ashley-madison-pastor-commits-suicide/74435/
06:11 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ << worst female knees ever omfg what is this, elephantitis ?
06:11 assbot Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxeBc )
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00073718 = 12.5321 BTC [+]
06:11 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/05.jpg how is this possible irl.
06:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxfoD )
06:12 mircea_popescu mkay that thing was pretty sad.
06:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You just don't understand how real 'Murican women look
06:13 mircea_popescu dude it;s impossible.
06:13 mircea_popescu i had to check for photochops
06:13 mircea_popescu what the fuck.
06:13 mircea_popescu her knees are bigger than her head.
06:15 BingoBoingo Maybe she has a condishun' like edema or arthritis. Knees aren't engineered to carry that all above above them.
06:16 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/14.jpg <<< is that their high chancellor ? and is that a dildo or a lava lamp in the display behind his chancellorness ?
06:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxErd )
06:16 * mircea_popescu can't readily figure out which of the two is more ridiculous.
06:16 BingoBoingo Why can't it be both?
06:16 shinohai morning, mircea_popescu feeling better today?
06:16 mircea_popescu i suppose lava lamp warms huh
06:16 mircea_popescu shinohai yeah!
06:16 BingoBoingo It does
06:16 shinohai Awesum
06:18 cazalla oops, didnt realise i botched the image links
06:19 shinohai http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ <<< #2 is priceless
06:19 assbot Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxeBc )
06:22 shinohai Is that Butterin wearing the Steve Urkel pants for real?
06:28 davout cazalla: your article is incredible
06:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65971 @ 0.00073866 = 48.7301 BTC [+] {4}
06:28 * davout 's favourite is the one with gmaxwell
06:29 cazalla aww that might be overstating it just a tad
06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.0007395 = 17.3043 BTC [+]
06:33 davout "$1,500 for this shit?"
06:42 shinohai I wonder if the jester is aware of the irony of his latest tweet today https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/642278738848292864
06:42 shinohai LOL deleted
06:43 shinohai https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/642279871624949760
06:52 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/relationships-and-special-occasions/columns/dear-abby/teen-too-busy-with-college-ignores-dangers-of-diabetes/article_e96d42bd-f13f-5585-ab5e-318ed83c06ae.html << 19 year old Obeast with the Beetus
06:52 assbot Teen too busy with college ignores dangers of diabetes : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1K00BGr )
06:54 BingoBoingo Eat moar corn
06:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31557 @ 0.0007395 = 23.3364 BTC [+]
07:00 shinohai Also, get off fat ass and exercise moar.
~ 39 minutes ~
07:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17245 @ 0.0007395 = 12.7527 BTC [+]
07:39 mircea_popescu so the list of places where obama can still show up consists of... fort meade ?
07:39 BingoBoingo prolly
07:49 mircea_popescu http://finance.yahoo.com/video/bill-ackman-stocks-pretty-cheap-110400417.html
07:49 assbot Bill Ackman: Stocks are pretty cheap | Watch the video - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULagpt )
07:50 shinohai https://www.propublica.org/article/library-support-anonymous-internet-browsing-effort-stops-after-dhs-email <<< LOL
07:50 assbot First Library to Support Tor Anonymous Internet Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULaooS )
08:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00074042 = 5.5532 BTC [+]
08:01 mircea_popescu how goes PinkPosixPXE
08:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00074038 = 17.0287 BTC [-]
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61608 @ 0.00074062 = 45.6281 BTC [+] {3}
08:07 mircea_popescu "Great Job, Everyone! Bitcoiners are DDoSing Bitcoin (motherboard.vice.com)"
08:07 mircea_popescu except no, gavin's scamcoin is not bitcoin, and no, vice is not news.
08:09 shinohai lol. XT camp takes it as a sign they have already won the game obviously.
08:10 mircea_popescu Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
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08:10 assbot The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULcfKf )
08:10 mircea_popescu bitcoin-regulation/#selection-107.0-107.235
08:10 mircea_popescu the boat's still missed. but i gotta say it's fucking hysterical to obvserve the US as a society behaves collectively exactly like every ustard individually. haughty pretense at first, desperate flailing once it's too late.
08:10 mircea_popescu would have been so fucking hard to submit and obey in 2013, rly.
08:12 mircea_popescu Deloitte to audit to BitEx.la Bitcoin exchange, the first of its kind in Argentina and possibly in the world for a market of Bitcoin << except a) it doesn't actually exist and b) all of the fucking nopes already, wtf.
08:12 mircea_popescu how many of these throwaway items have we seen so far.
08:14 BingoBoingo Seriously that noise is the hardest part about qntra
08:14 mircea_popescu also...http://www.malla.ee/?p=167
08:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11392 @ 0.0007407 = 8.4381 BTC [+]
08:14 mircea_popescu Website is rising up!
08:15 mircea_popescu as soon as they are ready, the reservation system and Bitcoin integration should be ready also.
08:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15713 @ 0.00074038 = 11.6336 BTC [-]
08:15 mircea_popescu best bitcoin troll ever.
08:16 BingoBoingo Oh, tortilla's place?
08:17 punkman still with the photoshopped facade http://www.malla.ee/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/etukuva.png
08:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULcSUi )
08:19 mircea_popescu ya
08:19 shinohai Related to mircea_popescu 's article: http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11
08:19 assbot Value Of A Start Up Idea - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-09-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1KICW31 )
08:19 mircea_popescu http://www.mois.ee/pic_viru/malla_tag.jpg moarlike
08:19 shinohai hanbot strikes again
08:20 punkman fluffypony: how did the castle look when you visited?
08:20 mircea_popescu honestly i think the decrepit reality looks muchg better than the mcmanshion candy-cane photochop
08:20 mircea_popescu just, not really as a hotel. pretty decent setting for a remake of diabolique tho
08:21 phf haunted mansion night for two, complete with victorian meal, costumed entertainment. BTC accepted
08:22 mircea_popescu "I listed my castle for sale. If I manage to flip now, even at a slight fiat loss, I would have gained 3x the bitcoins in a year. Decent trade, huh?"
08:22 mircea_popescu awww...
08:22 mircea_popescu and if he just sat on the silver or w/e it was... but no matter.
08:22 mircea_popescu phf you know they supposedly have those torture hotels in tokyo
08:23 phf authentic Cube experience
08:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19714 @ 0.00074002 = 14.5888 BTC [-] {2}
08:25 mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/0TTX2CN << somebody cribbed the wrong part off b-a logs
08:25 assbot dpaste: 0TTX2CN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULdDgb )
08:25 phf you would know better, are there "bdsm" hotels? in the style of those italian "discipline" comics, with pony waitresses and a strict madame running the place
08:25 mircea_popescu how can these people be that retarded srsly ? dump random txn ? that's the plan ?
08:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31550 @ 0.00073422 = 23.1646 BTC [-]
08:26 mircea_popescu phf yeah, they exist like buenos aires night life exists.
08:26 punkman heh
08:26 mircea_popescu if you're working a boring dayjob and need that fantasy to get out of bed in the morning.
08:29 mircea_popescu also http://upalc.com/
08:29 phf with japanese salarimen from the 80s doing company retreats
08:31 mircea_popescu http://upalc.com/online-money.php << pretty canonical come to think of it.
08:31 assbot Online Money Making Strategy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULe5uH )
08:31 mircea_popescu "11. Don't know a thing? No worries you are not alone, but that shouldn't stop you from blogging as it doesn't stop others, you can still make money just by blogging on topics that are interesting"
08:32 phf that looks like a subtle troll, like an updated version of jeff k.
08:33 shinohai lol I posted that link last night, such lolz
08:34 mircea_popescu aha
08:34 shinohai He argues for "intelligent design" a lot
08:35 phf mircea_popescu: i took your trilema recommendation to visit istanbul, this place is indeed fantastic
08:36 mircea_popescu o hey!
08:36 mircea_popescu have a shishkebap for me.
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30356 @ 0.00073073 = 22.182 BTC [-] {2}
08:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18544 @ 0.00072542 = 13.4522 BTC [-] {2}
08:38 phf plenty of that, also fresh fish. my american girl is finally convinced that there's something fundamentally wrong with u.s. food supply
08:38 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/zfLcA20.jpg << there's something coallescing in my head here. basically, the us bet on india against china. and lost.
08:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULeXiY )
08:39 mircea_popescu phf do her knees look like http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/05.jpg ?
08:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsxfoD )
08:39 mircea_popescu (who the fuck told those women to wear overknee skirts, srsly now)
08:41 phf no, i showed her pictures from consensus though, as a reminder, she double down on her studies of turkish language
08:42 mircea_popescu lol
08:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21187 @ 0.00073169 = 15.5023 BTC [+]
08:42 BingoBoingo http://www.theonion.com/article/nations-marketers-only-people-still-trying-reach-i-51278
08:42 assbot Nation’s Marketers Only People Still Trying To Reach Inner-City Child - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULfm4Y )
08:46 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/C32nz << "Well, since a ton is 2000 pounds and Fat Activists tends to have their mortality increase rapidly after 500 pounds, we can conclude there are 3-6 Fat activists to the ton."
08:46 assbot evylllint comments on I hope this is OK because I have to get this off my chest. I'm an accountant and was hired by one of the most prominent Fat Acceptance activists. Wow. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIFoqd )
08:52 BingoBoingo Champion's Towing and Recovery of Columbus Mississippi is the most persistent comment spammer I've ever seen for such a niche meatspace business.
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00073169 = 22.5361 BTC [+]
08:54 shinohai Can anyone here recommend a decent laptop with backlit keyboard ?
08:56 * mircea_popescu has thinkpads. amd inside.
08:58 shinohai I miss my thinkpad, trying to get a friend in Indiana to sell me one of his old ones.
08:58 mircea_popescu no backlit tho
08:59 shinohai I'll take the tradeoff, I have a soft spot for older computers.
09:00 shinohai Guy has fucktons of old servers and equipment. I had him look through his stash for that godsurge chip.
09:01 mircea_popescu http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/03c-the-myth-of-software-engineering.html
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09:01 assbot The Tar Pit - The myth of "software engineering" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULhslr )
09:05 punkman "This isn’t to say that there aren’t large systems that can be formally specified: Bitcoin is one such example."
09:05 punkman what spec lol
09:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00073124 = 15.356 BTC [-]
09:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33814 @ 0.00073169 = 24.7414 BTC [+]
09:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00073124 = 3.6562 BTC [-]
09:27 PinkPosixPXE hey mircea_popescu, doing pretty good, been busy with the new job, how are you?
09:30 asciilifeform wb mircea_popescu
09:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270064 << dear glub. sorry mircea_popescu, not even sure which part of this fiction to begin with !
09:33 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 08:25:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house.
09:33 asciilifeform 1) you will never see 'lisp on python' outside of a school classroom
09:34 asciilifeform 2) sbcl and other adult commonlisps a) use c version for bootstrapping, which is to say, compiling self to a legit 100% self-shat executable --- but they will link with libc for unix terminal i/o, sockets, etc
09:35 asciilifeform b) plenty of lisps, of various descriptions, mainly but not exclusively 'scheme' implementations, written in 100% asm from the ground
09:35 asciilifeform e.g., the very same mulisp discussed in the 'derive.exe' thread; 'dream' (x86 and later x86_64 scheme implementation;) and others
09:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270083 << l0l mircea_popescu, everybody knows (tm) that metansa would never contain something so pedestrian as a report-writer, much less one who interfaced with something as boring as a politician. it is 100% people who break rsa, devise single-transistor backdoors to plant in intel, devise 'natural disease mimicking' poisons, etc.
09:39 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 08:36:50; mircea_popescu: they went to work for metansa right alf ?
09:40 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/9wt61nh.jpg <<< Never forget
09:40 asciilifeform aha.
09:40 asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/7kDXs.jpg
09:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfeO5Y )
09:40 asciilifeform ^ my personal favourite
09:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270090 << hey, it worked for killing linux! that is, it is alive, but on what, 100 boxes, and the rest happily run shituntu and subscribe to autoupdates, happily run usg binaries, etc.
09:43 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 08:39:23; mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
09:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00073296 = 25.2505 BTC [+] {2}
09:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270129 << sure you can. all you need is another common lisp ! doesn't matter from where, or running on what
09:44 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 08:50:47; punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
09:44 asciilifeform come on folks, compilation is not magic.
09:44 asciilifeform and 'c' is most certainly not magical. just a piss-poor macro assembler of a kind.
09:45 punkman asciilifeform: I just read that SBCL has 20k lines of C
09:45 asciilifeform punkman: sure does. mainly for building bootstrapper. but also for unix i/o
09:45 asciilifeform as described earlier.
09:46 punkman so if I want to bootstrap SBCL on say picolisp, how much of that C do I have to rewrite?
09:46 asciilifeform picolisp is NOT A COMMONLISP
09:46 asciilifeform has, for fucks sake, dynamic scope
09:46 asciilifeform NOT ALL LISPS ARE THE SAME
09:46 asciilifeform picolisp is less similar to common lisp than 'c' is to 'pascal'
09:47 punkman ok, on dream or mulisp or other then
09:47 asciilifeform ditto
09:47 asciilifeform 'dream' is a 'scheme';
09:47 phf you could target picolisp from sbcl, same way as you're right now targeting the unix to common lisp machine abstraction layer, that's written in c
09:47 asciilifeform mulisp is its own creature
09:47 asciilifeform aha phf has it. but n00bz always assume that lisps are interchangeable
09:47 asciilifeform they are not.
09:48 asciilifeform it is important to know why items such as picolisp and mulisp exist - compactness. (and to a lesser extent, 'fits in head'.)
09:49 asciilifeform 'targeting' them as if they were c-machine arch would result in a terrific blob of unreadable shit
09:49 asciilifeform which will yes, run
09:49 asciilifeform but kinda defeats the purpose of the exercise.
09:51 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270165 << and if every man, woman, child, dog, cat, in china, got on a stool and jumped at once...
09:51 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:04:07; mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
09:52 asciilifeform this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ?
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09:53 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270170 << there is considerably more ugly in the fact that the actual meaning of the system IS NOT SPECIFIED because NOBODY ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT the crap does - esp. bdb, openssl, etc
09:53 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:07:45; mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
09:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270180 << dun worry jurov, su is dead & buried and its heresies, such as installing brains in (some) chicks, are likewise fading
09:54 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:11:26; jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00073396 = 10.8993 BTC [+]
09:55 asciilifeform jurov: that is, you can still find one with brain installed, but it has to be naturally-occurring. which, sure, go and wait for the natural fission reactor. THERE IS ONE ! geologists found it! somewhere in africa.
09:56 asciilifeform then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads...
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09:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270183 << and in more or less the whole su colonial world
09:57 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:12:18; mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
09:57 phf my grandmother worked in my grandfather's department, designing analogue circuits, and it wasn't some contrived "women in engineering", simply something she was good enough at to get hired into "оборонка"
09:57 asciilifeform ^ aha this was sop
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09:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ?
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09:59 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:07; mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
09:59 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on
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09:59 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:40; mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
10:02 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270248 << win. needs to be expanded to poem
10:02 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:41:57; davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
10:04 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270266 << if you want your employees to fight to the death, yes, throw in the chix
10:04 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 09:57:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269902 << so then it's the rifht move ?
10:04 asciilifeform so depends 'right move' ~for what~
10:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270278 << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. i often go into town on weekends on the train. there is literally no one too ragged, too ethnic, whatever, to be playing with apple gadget, often more than one. literally, stinking bums have'em, and had for years.
10:06 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 10:02:44; mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
10:07 asciilifeform now, what you often ~will~ see is folks, esp. females, playing with iphone ~with cracked glass~. this tells you that a) almost certainly owner got it 'via contract', which is to say as a slave collar from the telco; and b) cannot remotely afford to pay the thing's retail price to replace it
10:08 asciilifeform but there are folks who know how to change the glass, and it is inexpensive; hell, i did it myself for a few personal friends back in the day
10:08 asciilifeform ~this~ is the racket apple would like to roll up
10:08 kakobrekla "i can show you i sleep in a shoebox in the middle of the street on my iphone"
10:08 asciilifeform kakobrekla: laugh but i have personally witnessed hobos with iphone.
10:09 kakobrekla i know its true.
10:10 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270279 << but this is not why.
10:10 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 10:04:15; mircea_popescu: tim cook is officially retarded.
10:10 kakobrekla the only way you dont have a bumphone is if you have the latest one.
10:10 kakobrekla in their view.
10:10 asciilifeform (items like $3k laptops where the screen cracks two weeks after purchase, and THEY WON'T TAKE IT BACK, are why. that kind of thing is not forgotten, not forgiven. if the alternative were not microshit, apple would already be dead.)
10:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00073899 = 25.2365 BTC [+] {3}
10:20 phf i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i think 5 to 6 period was the p
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10:20 phf eek for apple
10:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270419 << this leads to one neglected unix script tool which one could easily implement 'v' in a few lines - 'gnu make' !
10:20 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:01:25; mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y02/03c-the-myth-of-software-engineering.html
10:22 asciilifeform phf: go on train, bus, where everyone is bored, in usa. 9 ipnohe to 1 turdroid, at times.
10:22 asciilifeform (boredom lures the pnohes out of pockets and to where you can see them)
10:22 asciilifeform if there was something 'statusy' about it, this disappeared in 2009 or earlier.
10:24 * asciilifeform bbl.
10:26 phf asciilifeform: this stuff seems more pronounced further away you are from фабрика грез. i'm sure you'd still be the coolest boy on the block with an iphone in kerala
10:27 kakobrekla need more bumphones in africa so they can use ze blockchain
10:28 phf fingers crossed xt ios app will be ready by the time africa is the last remaining apple market
10:32 punkman http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/north-korea-army-life-defector-question
10:32 assbot Ask a North Korean: what's life like in the army? | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1CeLH )
10:35 phf "hookah is coming -- you pack it here? -- he go elsewhere, we don't like say no" what a nice country
10:37 pete_dushenski jurov: cheers !
10:38 punkman phf, bringing hookah from other shop down the stree?
10:38 punkman *street
10:41 shinohai o/ pete_dushenski
10:41 pete_dushenski gooood morning
10:43 punkman http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34210002
10:43 assbot Travelling to work 'is work', European court rules - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1DrTg )
10:45 pete_dushenski ^ obviously
10:45 pete_dushenski for contractors, certainly.
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10:46 pete_dushenski for salaried employees who work 9-5 in a cubicle, obviously not.
10:46 pete_dushenski actually seems like a sane ruling to me.
10:46 pete_dushenski and this is certainly the way i'm billed whenever i have a contractor fix something on a property. travel time is always included.
10:48 shinohai I always got to include travel time in my former employment, but only "to" job site and not the return trip.
10:49 pete_dushenski half is better than nothing ?
10:49 pete_dushenski "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arrived…In all,
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10:49 pete_dushenski about seven hundred thousand Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies were killed. Yet a higher number survived. This is a dramatic contrast to the lands where the state was destroyed, where almost all Jews were killed."
10:49 pete_dushenski basically, be hungarian, not estonian
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10763 @ 0.00073978 = 7.9623 BTC [+]
10:53 pete_dushenski in other news, "the Agriculture Department announced this morning that 48 million Americans live in “food insecure” households."
10:53 pete_dushenski "“Food insecurity” is a statistic designed to mislead. USDA defines food insecurity as being “uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food.”"
10:54 pete_dushenski "The definition of “food insecure” includes anyone who frets about not being able to purchase food at any point. If someone states that they feared running out of food for a single day (but didn’t run out), that is an indicator of being “food insecure” for the entire year — regardless of whether they ever missed a single meal. If someone wants organic kale but can afford only conventional kale, that
10:54 pete_dushenski is another “food insecure” indicator."
10:55 pete_dushenski gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
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11:12 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/10/north_korea_exploits_zero_day_in_seouls_favourite_word_doc/
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11:12 assbot North Korea exploits 0-day in Seoul's favourite word processor • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBQo0R )
11:16 phf punkman: yes, not for purchase though, to smoke. he ran to a different location, packed it there, brought here, and then proceeded to refresh coals by repeating the process
11:16 phf what smoking permits
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11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11754 @ 0.00074204 = 8.7219 BTC [+]
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12:17 funkenstein_ http://3.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/b/-/bustedtees.57137f3b-8a5b-489e-a756-2f8bb616.jpg
12:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULUt9T )
12:19 funkenstein_ 6bdr_2IAJWU <-- mos def, immortal technique, eminem
12:20 funkenstein_ !rate cazalla 1 respecable journalist
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12:20 funkenstein_ !v assbot:funkenstein_.rate.cazalla.1:d6f88d117ed5e7419069c6ff29c24135b96e84b6f151a4abd7a0327d177968c6
12:20 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for cazalla with note: respecable journalist
12:22 funkenstein_ one more for you on a lighter note http://i.imgur.com/uahrPfW.gifv
12:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1iCHbRh )
12:22 pete_dushenski lel
12:24 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:24 ascii_field http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/10/james-clapper-pentagon-military-official
12:24 assbot US spy chief's 'highly unusual' reported contact with military official raises concerns | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULW0gb )
12:26 pete_dushenski "James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, is said to talk nearly every day with the head of US Central Command’s intelligence wing, Army Brigadier General Steven Grove – “which is highly, highly unusual”, according to a former intelligence official." << it brings a tear to mine eye to see these bureaucrats breaking down barriers like this. *sniff*
12:27 pete_dushenski in other news, http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/11/how-to-be-a-feminazi-feminist
12:27 assbot 10 ways you can tell if you’re a ‘feminazi’ | Laura Bates | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1EStbgg )
12:28 shinohai Step 1. Sign up for Reddit and tumblr
12:28 pete_dushenski step 2. steal socks. step 3... step 4. reparations!
12:30 shinohai I wonder if the author of that article would be mad if I made a masturbation pun on her name.
12:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 10305 @ 0.00009778 = 1.0076 BTC [+] {4}
12:33 pete_dushenski shinohai: not like she'll ever read the logs. have at 'er :)
12:34 shinohai Unless I make them red in the face, where's the fun?
12:40 shinohai I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/
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12:40 assbot Auctions Archive - Biddaters.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULYfjt )
12:48 pete_dushenski looks to be ~$1/lb as a going rate, shockingly, exactly like in that trilema article
12:48 ascii_field 'Yes, opium was a murderous agent in our blood streams. Yes, we were addicted. But we gained a gravelly tone that made friends’ poetry recitations bearable. If we expired bit by bit, we were comfortable in our growing numbness. Opium eased away frustrations and failings. This was a traditional addiction respectful of our history, of traditions that allowed us to go with the flow as we socialised around glowing charcoa
12:48 ascii_field l trays. Lethal, yes, but slow and relaxed – almost spiritual.'
12:49 ascii_field (vintage article, where persian supposedly laments the coming of new dope to replace old, http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/may/13/crystal-meth-tehrans-new-drug-of-choice )
12:49 assbot Crystal meth: 'Walk a little way in any direction and buy it for a trifle' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZorm )
12:50 shinohai pete_dushenski: my mind instantly thought of that trilema article lol
12:50 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/4HFAd86.jpg <<< crapple lolz
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZCP5 )
12:50 pete_dushenski shinohai: can you find it ? i can't !
12:51 shinohai This one? http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/
12:51 assbot Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZI9D )
12:51 pete_dushenski nah, think it mighta been 'battlefield of the future'
12:52 shinohai hrmm ...
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.0007394 = 25.2135 BTC [-] {4}
12:53 shinohai Think that was 2014 archive
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00073616 = 18.7353 BTC [-]
12:55 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:55 ascii_field https://cryptome.org/2015/09/potus-15-0911.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/1CT56Q8 <<< pure gold
12:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM0inA )
12:55 assbot dpaste: 1CT56Q8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM0inL )
12:57 shinohai lol ascii_field so I guess I can't let my guard down.
12:57 shinohai National emergencies and all.
12:57 punkman why haven't they made the emergency permanent yet?
13:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00073233 = 21.384 BTC [-] {2}
13:02 shinohai That we should mirror ancient Rome, suspend democracy and give Obama sole power to defend our borders.
13:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29390 @ 0.00073055 = 21.4709 BTC [-] {2}
13:04 funkenstein_ choke off all commerce with more fascism, great idea
13:04 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270540 << also the peculiarly american conflation of various industrial waste for 'food'
13:04 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 14:55:23; pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
13:06 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270543 << run moar winblowz ! 'backdoor dubbed PeachPit which is pinned on North Korean-based attackers.' << why not pinned on redmond, washington ?
13:06 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 15:12:19; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/10/north_korea_exploits_zero_day_in_seouls_favourite_word_doc/
13:06 funkenstein_ lol hotus potus
13:09 pete_dushenski "So run off to the bathroom, strip naked and weigh yourself. Pork bellies go for ~$1 per pound, and so do you (provided you were frozen, trimmed, and added up to enough of your peers to make a 18`000 kg package)." << http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.273-133.484
13:09 assbot The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM248j )
13:09 pete_dushenski shinohai: ^
13:09 ascii_field vast exaggeration - no one would buy pork of this quality, not for a penny a pound
13:10 ascii_field pig fed human shit - is edible. china, 5000+ yrs. pig fed industrial waste - no.
13:11 pete_dushenski mebbe girl eats organic
13:12 pete_dushenski why not
13:14 ascii_field difficult to become 'planet' on actual food
13:16 pete_dushenski well, no one's buying planets now are they, not even mr. musk
13:17 shinohai thx pete_dushenski
13:17 ascii_field just pointing out that the people pictured in BingoBoingo's links did not get the way they are by eating actual food
13:17 shinohai Approprite quote :D
13:18 shinohai Nor did they make that conference by using actual bitcoin.
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.0007296 = 3.9435 BTC [-]
13:23 pete_dushenski bbl
13:25 ascii_field http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/cartoons/FEMINIST.GIF << by toom, of toom-cook multiplication algo !!
13:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmxMZj )
13:26 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:26 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.toomandre.com << toom of toom-cook algo. teaches in brazil.
13:26 assbot Home page of Andre Toom, Andrei Toom ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmxRvT )
13:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:27 ascii_field http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/index.htm >> e.g., http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/Shanker.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/3JY6ENM
13:27 assbot English Educ ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HqJ )
13:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HHj )
13:28 assbot dpaste: 3JY6ENM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HHn )
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00072891 = 6.9975 BTC [-]
13:28 ascii_field 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
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13:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.0007296 = 12.3704 BTC [+]
13:29 ascii_field http://dpaste.com/0HCN3ZM << another good piece by him, de-pdfized
13:29 assbot dpaste: 0HCN3ZM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4V12 )
13:29 ascii_field (original - http://www.toomandre.com/my-articles/engeduc/Wars.pdf )
13:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4WlG )
13:30 shinohai Someone has an inflated sense of entitlement.
13:32 ascii_field http://www.toomandre.com/travel/BEARS.GIF << mega-illustration of life.
13:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmysxN )
13:35 trinque pete_dushenski: where's the >1BTC bet feed?
13:36 trinque doesn't make sense to me to add special logic for a single RSS feed
13:38 shinohai Very apt comic ascii_field
13:41 trinque they taught us the quadratic formula in middle school using a goddamn nursery song tune
13:42 trinque "row your boat"
13:42 trinque junior high I guess it was, 6th or 7th
13:42 trinque in re: ascii_field's 0HCN3ZM
13:44 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3kiv90/eth_is_dumping_hard_why_whats_the_bad_news/cuxs1qd
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13:44 assbot ericcart comments on ETH is dumping HARD, why? What's the bad news? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmAttG )
13:46 punkman poloniex does margin now?
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.0007372 = 29.3406 BTC [+]
13:48 shinohai Have been for a few months I think.
14:02 shinohai !up ascii_field
14:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32981 @ 0.00074152 = 24.4561 BTC [+] {3}
14:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7419 @ 0.00074532 = 5.5295 BTC [+]
14:09 fluffypony punkman
14:09 fluffypony I uploaded photos
14:09 fluffypony http://imgur.com/a/cl6XH
14:09 assbot Malla - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMaNY7 )
14:09 fluffypony that was what it looked like in June 2014
14:10 fluffypony those were the ones I took on my phone, I have other pics (somewhere) I took with my camera
14:11 trinque truly filthy laptop
14:11 * trinque shudders
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14:30 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-mideast-syria-russia-idUSKCN0RB0ZD20150911 << here comes the pressure
14:30 assbot Russia to U.S.: talk to us on Syria or risk 'unintended incidents' | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMdAAG )
14:31 trinque "They will train to repulse an attack from the air and to defend the coast, which means firing artillery and testing short-range air defense systems, " the source said, adding that the exercise had been agreed with the Syrian government. << might as well have said "against US airstrikes"
14:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00073375 = 19.9947 BTC [-]
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15:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24029 @ 0.00073446 = 17.6483 BTC [+]
15:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.00073754 = 12.505 BTC [+]
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15:24 shinohai Nice album fluffypony
15:25 fluffypony tks
15:37 mats what a crowd
15:38 mats graphic t shirts, bowties, hoodies, suits
15:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00074868 = 9.0216 BTC [+]
15:39 shinohai Where mats?
15:40 mats fluffy's album
15:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82250 @ 0.00074868 = 61.5789 BTC [+]
15:43 shinohai Oh xD
15:43 shinohai I need a drink, what a stressful day.
15:45 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:45 ascii_field ;;later tell jurov last night i saw operetta version of 'r.u.r.' at czech embassy. it was spiffy
15:45 gribble The operation succeeded.
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16:07 mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE i'm fine now! weren't you going to do a dc at some point ? :D
16:08 * mircea_popescu trolls ascii_field more.
16:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00074868 = 22.1235 BTC [+]
16:08 ascii_field l0lwat
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31422 @ 0.00073726 = 23.1662 BTC [-]
16:12 mircea_popescu so listen ascii_field is it true sexpr were mostly copied from regexp ?
16:12 ascii_field in 1958 ???
16:12 mircea_popescu s/g/s/ and re-arrange the letters a little
16:12 ascii_field reminds me of my brother's Unified Theory of Linguistics
16:12 ascii_field unfortunately doesn't work in english, but i'll try:
16:13 ascii_field -ийский family - английский (english), индийский - hindi, etc
16:14 ascii_field -инский family - финский (finnish), латинский (latin)
16:14 ascii_field etc.
16:14 ascii_field it wurkx!!1111
16:14 ascii_field classifies!
16:14 mircea_popescu hey, it actually does, in russian.
16:14 ascii_field http://www.multicians.org/thvv/borges-animals.html << see also.
16:14 assbot Borges' Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WGMk )
16:15 mircea_popescu i suspect the deep driver there is "idiots" vs "enemies"
16:15 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:16 ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/#comment-115312 btw
16:16 assbot The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WM6C )
16:16 mircea_popescu god damned it.
16:16 mircea_popescu you know alfie, back when i was writing for romanians in romanian it was easy
16:17 ascii_field hows that
16:17 mircea_popescu but now i write in english and people who know russian read and wtf amd i gonna do.
16:17 mircea_popescu I WANT MY PRIVATE JOKES BACK
16:17 ascii_field l0lz
16:17 ascii_field learn cn, might take us a little while to catch up
16:18 mircea_popescu write your lisp in java, might take a while to run!
16:18 ascii_field i know strictly enough of it to not crash an elevator
16:19 mircea_popescu and the next day after i start making obscure chinese statements on trilema you run off from home to live in xiang-fuck or some shit
16:19 * mircea_popescu has little faith in the length of that "little while".
16:19 ascii_field hey, 'better for the buses, closer to the shops' or how'd it go
16:19 mircea_popescu lol
16:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270469 << this supposition is both correct and a good reason to not use gold as a monetary item.
16:25 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:52:21; asciilifeform: this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ?
16:25 mircea_popescu i refer you to your classical history studies. why do you suppose the atom count of gold per monetary item kept decreasing ?
16:25 mircea_popescu emperors wanted to steal, right ?
16:25 mircea_popescu why did they want this ?
16:25 ascii_field easier than not ?
16:25 mircea_popescu if money were still linked to gold, seeing how there's not that much gold around, you'd be dealing in sub-miligram units.
16:26 mircea_popescu gold as coinage works fine for small populations.
16:26 mircea_popescu once the empire grows, the size of the coin has to diminish
16:26 mircea_popescu the choice is to either make it microscopic or dilute it with base metal
16:26 mircea_popescu pure ux.
16:26 ascii_field why not introduce copper coins for schmucks, keep proper gold coins for serious biznis
16:26 mircea_popescu because that introduces a border and borders must be policed which costs EVEN MORE money
16:27 ascii_field the dilution is not inevitable, it is pure pickpocketry
16:27 mircea_popescu the dilution is in fact inevitable.
16:27 ascii_field newton policed just fine
16:27 mircea_popescu if your mint needs a newton to run it, fuck you.
16:27 mircea_popescu go design some more phd assemblylines!
16:27 ascii_field (beautifully fictionalized but afaik pretty accurate depiction of 'trial of the pyx' in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' - recommended)
16:28 ascii_field !s pyx
16:28 assbot 6 results for 'pyx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pyx
16:28 ben_vulpes rather nifty books
16:28 ascii_field aha
16:29 mircea_popescu anyway : yes as adoption grows (the real kind, not verbal), the average size of the unspent will decrease.
16:29 mircea_popescu this has nothing to do with wealth (in fact it decreases more in wealthy systems than in poorer ones)
16:31 ascii_field overall this is a kind of inevitable entropic heat death and applies to everything.
16:31 ascii_field e.g., go and get the indium back out of the junkyard, for new lcd glass
16:31 mircea_popescu yes.
16:31 ascii_field all 0.1 mg or however much of it, per.
16:31 mircea_popescu but unlike indium, which is a real object,
16:32 mircea_popescu bitcoin is an ideal object
16:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00073728 = 27.4637 BTC [+] {3}
16:38 * trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
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16:38 ascii_field wtf why
16:38 trinque email is hell
16:39 trinque that's why
16:39 trinque I have no interest in continuing this postfix hobby
16:39 BingoBoingo Everything sucks
16:39 ascii_field how does using random spam mailatron help
16:39 mircea_popescu darkmail or w/e hasn't gone down./
16:39 mircea_popescu so use that :D
16:39 ascii_field hushmail
16:39 ascii_field .gov
16:39 ascii_field aha
16:39 trinque because it's their problem to keep up, and the idea that any email is beyond prying eyes is long since passed
16:39 trinque want to send a real message, send it through a better tube
16:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270476 << yeah, i'm sure it's so much better with men.
16:40 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:56:45; asciilifeform: then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads...
16:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270480 << for the record i know actual us women, in their 60s, in the same situation. the usg itself doesn't, but that'd be more of the http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 same.
16:42 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:57:52; asciilifeform: ^ aha this was sop
16:42 assbot Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
16:43 mircea_popescu and holy fuck am i indignant over that shit.
16:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270481 << amusingly, notrly.
16:43 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ?
16:43 mircea_popescu rilke dealt in funeral stones as stores of value lol
16:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270483 << that's not an adult.
16:43 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:43; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on
16:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
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16:46 mircea_popescu chumpatronics is its own science, with its own measures scl, you can't just replace them for gonzo values
16:46 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
16:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270504 << it was perhaps peek stupidty in moscow libertard circles.
16:48 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 14:20:34; phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i
16:48 mircea_popescu meanwhile putin reigned it in.
16:49 mircea_popescu iirc that was before ukraine.
16:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270526 << fuck them.
16:51 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 14:45:37; pete_dushenski: for contractors, certainly.
16:51 mircea_popescu hm, fuck the other ones i meant!
16:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270532 goes with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-08-2015#1246900
16:52 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 14:49:33; pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arriv
16:52 assbot Logged on 21-08-2015 03:58:42; mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cas
16:53 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270779 << wai wat
16:53 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 20:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
16:54 mircea_popescu it's in the price. they cost >1k or w/e
16:55 ascii_field ~700 bux iirc
16:55 ascii_field but what of it
16:55 mircea_popescu that's what it is. all of it.
16:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00074678 = 23.6729 BTC [+]
16:55 ascii_field in usa, almost all iphonistas were getting the things via their telco already
16:55 mircea_popescu in any consumer driven market, the price is the only signal of everything. and you do not give as much as a faint whiff of selling the 1k item for ~20 bux. not ever.
16:56 mircea_popescu doesn't matter how they get it.
16:56 mircea_popescu gotta support the standard.
16:57 ascii_field most iphonists don't even know what the thing costs to buy fair & square
16:57 ascii_field last year or this year
16:57 ascii_field ~nobody actually pays the 700
16:57 mircea_popescu heh. your argument basically is "post-consumerism" ?
16:57 ascii_field folks pay a few hundy and telco covers the rest in exchange for binding contract for n years
16:57 mircea_popescu "as long as the state agrees it's 700, doesn't jack shit matter what they do"
16:57 ascii_field (this is forbidden in eu, iirc, usa-only trick)
16:59 shinohai Which would you rather have, $700 or a device that you charge $50 for and people keep inserting coins in to use?
17:00 mircea_popescu the inserting is predicated on the 700.
17:00 mircea_popescu lose one you lose both.
17:00 mircea_popescu but whatever, not like anyone doubted cook was gonna sink apple.
17:01 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270754 <<< i use fastmail and today was the first time i've ever had an issue, reliable until now
17:01 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 20:38:49; *: trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
17:02 ascii_field the thing about apple is that it can live for a very, very long time even with all internal organs removed
17:02 ascii_field because there is no (from the perspective of the aficionados) remotely credible alternative.
17:02 ascii_field it is like microshit in the mid-90s
17:03 trinque cazalla: yep, back up now; as long as they are that responsive I'm pleased
17:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270572 this is a fucking lulzy exercise in http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/#selection-175.0-175.306
17:03 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 16:40:13; shinohai: I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/
17:03 assbot Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7t1lw )
17:03 mircea_popescu generally that whole article applies greatly.
17:03 mircea_popescu spiral of defeat. a) woman goes out, meets a buncha schmucks ; b) woman starts charging ~100 per dinner date, ensuring that... she will now ONLY meet the schmucks.
17:04 ascii_field and only the most desperately repulsive subset, even
17:04 mircea_popescu ascii_field it's more like ibm. "great american industree - does nothing really"
17:04 mircea_popescu ascii_field i dunno, women i know hate the inept cocksure ones more than the neurotic pay-for-it ones
17:04 ascii_field mircea_popescu: for so long as you think this, you will catastrophically misunderstand why apple remains a thing
17:04 mircea_popescu perhaps.
17:04 ascii_field it actually does something. it is useful to understand ~what~.
17:04 ascii_field ben_vulpes can prolly explain much better than i can
17:06 mircea_popescu your argument strikes me of the same exceptionalism "medicine" of 1700 employed. or "religion" of 1800.
17:06 mircea_popescu it does "something" and for as long etc, i'll fail to understand why it remains a thing.
17:06 mircea_popescu not so, notrly.
17:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270632 << i lolled.
17:07 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 17:28:23; ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
17:07 ascii_field they sell microshit-free machines usable by civilian
17:08 mircea_popescu derplet's got these feelings almost like he's a thing, "i am a tractor, it makes no sense i can't pull odwn this wall, please explain mechanics to it!"
17:08 mircea_popescu ascii_field nobody cares.
17:08 ascii_field the billion lusers who buy the thing, apparently care
17:09 ascii_field hell, some perfectly literate folks, ben_vulpes, trinque, et al, care.
17:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270648 << awww. lol.
17:09 assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 17:44:23; shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3kiv90/eth_is_dumping_hard_why_whats_the_bad_news/cuxs1qd
17:09 shinohai ^_____________^
17:09 mircea_popescu "someone pointed out to mp what that shit's been doing while nobody was looking"
17:10 mircea_popescu ascii_field the "apparently care" you propose has a name.
17:10 shinohai I am also pleased to see that dogecoin seems to be declining. That scam sure had some steam.
17:11 mircea_popescu fluffypony is that floor linoleum ? http://i.imgur.com/WREwgEd.jpg
17:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7ufgB )
17:11 ascii_field mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple
17:11 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/S2X6bI7.jpg omfg what is this ;/
17:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7ugBe )
17:11 mircea_popescu 2 star.
17:12 mircea_popescu nobody even knows the quals anymore, is it ?
17:12 fluffypony mircea_popescu: tiled, iirc
17:12 ascii_field l0l square toilet
17:12 ascii_field a bit like in ba
17:12 * ascii_field searched, in vain, for people on the street with square arses
17:12 mircea_popescu ascii_field wut ?! bathroom was the size of that room o.O
17:12 ascii_field yes it was.
17:12 ascii_field speaking of the toilet per se, strictly
17:13 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/8ZHmhKt.jpg <<< hey check out the respectable dulap!
17:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uqIM )
17:13 ascii_field the actual shitcatcher.
17:13 ascii_field schlllllt.
17:13 mircea_popescu ftr, the estonians got really great at "fake ancient furniture".
17:13 mircea_popescu they did a good job actually copying the principles not merelyt the objects, turn out perfectly passible items now.
17:13 mircea_popescu beat the shit of the romanians, who tried same but failed utterly.
17:14 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/TldSNQ4.jpg << thisd thing'd have made such a great bdsm dungeon
17:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uLLz )
17:15 mircea_popescu really its only use./
17:15 ascii_field l0l what kinda gulag is that
17:15 * shinohai uncovers a plot where the USG kidnaps asciilifeform and force him to rewrite bitcoin in this: https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality
17:15 assbot ErisBlastar/cplusequality · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uRmz )
17:16 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:17 ascii_field maybe(p.gender==male && p.orentation==het_cis_scum) {
17:17 ascii_field yell('RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!!!');
17:17 ascii_field crush(p); //Use the function crush in Dworkin.Xir to discard the oppressor
17:17 ascii_field ENDMISOGYNY
17:17 ascii_field win.
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00074386 = 2.9464 BTC [-]
17:19 ascii_field http://feministsoftwarefoundation.org << very lulzy. go, load it
17:19 assbot МВД России ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nncsmm )
17:25 shinohai Ministry of Internal Affairs? LOL
17:26 mod6 wth haha
17:26 ascii_field shinohai: gendarmerie.
17:26 trinque obviously pussy riot is resisting through culture with this domain
17:26 ascii_field (sorta like what they would like to make in usa, instead of all the disjoint local police forces)
17:27 shinohai I got called an idiot for not calling the cops when my house got broken into yesterday.
17:27 shinohai Kinda pointless imo
17:28 ascii_field shinohai: some insurance companies will not officially recognize the fact of theft, vandalism, etc. without a police case #
17:28 ascii_field phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself
17:29 shinohai All they got was a cruddy old laptop worth abt $200, wasn't insured.
17:29 ascii_field (think about it. how would it work.)
17:30 pete_dushenski from a meatwoter : "Also on a completely unrelated note, TD now prevents me from visiting contravex at work."
17:30 ascii_field td?
17:30 pete_dushenski for those unawares, TD Canada Trust is one of the 'big 5' banks in canada
17:30 shinohai Items in my safe are insured, but that was too much trouble for what I am guessing was methheads.
17:32 pete_dushenski bank of nova scotia (scotiabank), canadian imperial bank of commerce (cibc), bank of montreal (bmo), and royal bank of canada (rbc) round it out
17:32 pete_dushenski td = toronto dominion
17:32 mircea_popescu how exactly did the russky govt manage to steal a .org ?
17:32 ascii_field steal lol
17:33 mircea_popescu yes ?
17:33 ascii_field it's the world's spiffiest tr0l0l0l
17:33 ascii_field iirc never pointed anywhere else
17:33 mircea_popescu oh
17:34 mircea_popescu i thought it was the derpy blondies or something.
17:34 ascii_field quite reminiscent of 'intercal' btw
17:34 mircea_popescu didn't know they could code.
17:36 pete_dushenski ;;later tell kakobrekla please to point trinque to >1btc bitbet rss feed (if it exists)
17:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:37 mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/
17:37 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 :: 4.55 B (18%) on Yes, 20.27 B (82%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 61`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7xNzw )
17:37 mircea_popescu 5:1, that bad ? hm.
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28572 @ 0.00073999 = 21.143 BTC [-] {3}
17:40 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself << of course they will.
17:40 ascii_field for its poundage in scrap - yes
17:40 mircea_popescu they won't do custom jobs for items worth less than maybe 100k or so, but then again fuck you, nobody is going to insure your chewwed gum
17:41 ascii_field ^^ this, yes
17:41 mircea_popescu nah, artwork is routinely insured.
17:41 ascii_field not talking about rembrandt.
17:41 ascii_field not a problem i have
17:41 mircea_popescu i know bunches of late 20s earlky 30yos with insurance for the shiot they make
17:42 mircea_popescu not their fault you persist in living in a counbtry whichg has decided "coding will work like art works!!1"
17:44 mircea_popescu "It’s easier than you think to attract this offensive, sexist label – all you have to do is dare speak out against gender inequality"
17:44 mircea_popescu oh ffs, who the fuck is laura bates.
17:50 shinohai http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/welcome-to-hipster-hell-tumblr-now-has-its-own-clothing-line/
17:50 assbot Welcome To Hipster Hell: Tumblr Now Has Its Own Clothing Line | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1KgmsNe )
17:50 shinohai ^Guarantee they will go bankrupt trying to find enuf cloth to fit all the fat-ass feminists.
17:51 pete_dushenski shinohai: like walmart goes bankrupt ? mkay.
17:51 shinohai That's a lot of cloth, pete_dushenski
17:52 pete_dushenski ha not like it's silk
17:53 pete_dushenski tumlrinas also need a lot of 'food', doesn't seem to be an issue
17:55 shinohai hue
17:57 shinohai https://redd.it/3kkn6v
17:57 assbot No, dropping lowest-priority tx (in the event of a spam attack) is not better than dropping random transactions - in fact, it's a lot worse. Peter Todd is full of shit on this one. Here's why. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7Af95 )
18:06 * trinque shoves the barge that once was a mailserver seaward, fires a flaming arrow, salutes
18:08 mod6 heheh
18:10 pete_dushenski follow-up from meatwoter at td : trilema.com works
18:10 pete_dushenski WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE SUCH OPPRESSION ?!
18:15 * shinohai adds pete_dushenski to the sponsors of terrorism list.
18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0007416 = 3.8563 BTC [+]
18:21 pete_dushenski me and youtube, gmail, and facefraud. oh the company i keep.
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00073726 = 33.6928 BTC [-]
18:33 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.0007418 = 25.3325 BTC [+] {3}
18:42 pete_dushenski bbiab
18:43 shinohai http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us/politics/us-drops-charges-that-professor-shared-technology-with-china.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews&region=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=50653748&pgtype=article
18:44 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0v1F )
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20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00073264 = 10.3669 BTC [-]
20:57 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz
20:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
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21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00074916 = 17.6053 BTC [+]
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21:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0007323 = 22.3718 BTC [-] {3}
21:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00075006 = 56.592 BTC [+] {6}
22:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00075122 = 67.0839 BTC [+] {6}
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22:33 pete_dushenski @realDonaldTrump: "I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th."
22:38 * asciilifeform l0lz re: the only #b-a fella who gives a flying fuck re: u.s. election being a canadian
22:38 pete_dushenski hehe 'impartial observer'
22:39 pete_dushenski no 'skin in the game'
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22:58 pete_dushenski http://rmsothebys.com/lf15/london/lots/1995-bugatti-eb110-super-sport/1076871 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3An1XcXWoeA
22:58 assbot 1995 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport | London 2015 | RM Sotheby's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1M2g )
22:58 assbot Bugatti EB110 SS - Chris Harris on Cars - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1Kav )
22:58 pete_dushenski ^ what a cool million buys in the used car market these days.
23:04 pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/#comment-115315
23:04 assbot The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp21dw )
23:04 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy article btw
23:12 pete_dushenski "There is widespread belief that violence in poorly governed countries is triggered by international demand for their natural resources. We study the consequences of U.S. legislation grounded in this belief, the “conflict minerals” section of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act. Targeting the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, it cuts funding to warlords by discouraging manufacturers from sourcing tin, tungsten,
23:12 pete_dushenski and tantalum from the region."
23:12 pete_dushenski "Using geo-referenced data, we find the legislation increased looting of civilians, and shifted militia battles towards unregulated gold mining territories. These findings are a cautionary tale about the possible unintended consequences of boycotting natural resources from war-torn regions, and the use of international resource governance interventions."
23:12 pete_dushenski bwahaha "possible unintended consequences." only POSSIBLE !!1
23:16 pete_dushenski "The evidence suggests the legislation significantly increased the incidence of looting and the incidence of violence against civilians by at least 291 and 143 percent respectively."
23:18 pete_dushenski granting that epidemiology is hard to follow (obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/), the 'let's blockchain the proud nation of africa'-ists can stuff this in their pipes and smoke it.
23:18 assbot Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp36SQ )
23:20 pete_dushenski page not found eh.
23:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40221 @ 0.00074195 = 29.842 BTC [-]
23:24 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret."
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23:25 pete_dushenski trying to make sense of this. seems like good qntra material.
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00074011 = 20.6491 BTC [-]
23:30 pete_dushenski ;;nethash
23:30 gribble 460177092.439
23:31 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: niche thing.
23:31 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the overall moral of the story is more interesting - expect a generalized 'spymania' in usa; accusations of 'wrecking' will become a regular thing.
23:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117127 << as in this
23:32 assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 22:04:14; mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster"
23:33 pete_dushenski "using too much concrete and trying to bankrupt the great state" vs. "using too little concrete and jeopardising the security of the great state"
23:33 pete_dushenski aha
23:33 pete_dushenski ok ima write this up for qntra then
23:34 pete_dushenski thx
23:35 asciilifeform http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/09/11/temple-professor-charges-dropped << has the document
23:35 assbot Government Drops Charges Against Chinese-Born Temple Prof | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oktcvo )
23:35 pete_dushenski nice :)
23:35 asciilifeform http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/05/22/temple-physics-chair-charged-with-passing-tech-to-china << has the indictment.
23:35 assbot Temple Physics Chair Charged With Passing Tech to China | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okti6i )
23:36 asciilifeform oh and,
23:36 asciilifeform ianal, but breach of nda is a civil matter in usa.
23:37 pete_dushenski makes sense
23:37 asciilifeform i can see how they might have tried to nail him for misappropriation of pentagon money
23:37 asciilifeform but that is not what he was accused of
23:38 asciilifeform the indictment is for fraud
23:39 asciilifeform note the attached 'civil forfeiture' action on last page.
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