Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2015-07-05 | 2015-07-07 → ↓
00:00 mats iirc second cousins are safe
00:02 mats asciilifeform: after some consultation with my betters, one had this to say: "I'm not sure you can blame that on undefined behavior, except insofar as a SIGFPE is just as valid as nasal demons and such at that point."
00:02 mats "it is not a case of the compiler doing something crazy because of undefined behavior."
00:02 asciilifeform mats: fact of the matter is, the machine behaves in a way which will probably surprise most readers.
00:03 asciilifeform that is worth rubbing in peoples' faces.
00:03 mats yes
00:03 asciilifeform whether the compiler, the os, or satan is to blame - is secondary
00:04 asciilifeform if the effect were not so brute, it would've made a good star in an 'underhanded c contest' entry.
00:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188872 << mistake to symlink 'the west is moribund' and 'la ilaha illa'llah Muhammadun rasul Allah' (tm) (r)
00:06 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 00:48:54; mircea_popescu: decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct,
00:06 asciilifeform very different items.
00:06 decimation http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/inbreeding/
00:06 assbot Inbreeding | West Hunter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHAN4l )
00:07 decimation asciilifeform: I've made those flamegraphs before, used 'perf' tool
00:07 decimation it comes with kernel
00:07 asciilifeform neat
00:07 decimation but getting it to cough up full stacktraces is a pain in the ass
00:08 decimation need libunwind, gdb configured correctly, etc
00:08 decimation actually gdb isn't involved
00:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188887 << on top of this, the folks who informed 'amazon' and other usgtronic entities about the xen holes, etc. long before mortals were shown - are legitimate targets.
00:09 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
00:09 decimation ironically usg uses the same formula for 'extending protection'
00:10 asciilifeform i personally refuse to make any distinction between someone who wrote, e.g., 'heartbleed', into existence - and some other fella who ~knew of it and didn't tell me~
00:10 asciilifeform they are exactly the same to me.
00:10 decimation even if done by mistake?
00:10 asciilifeform how am i to believe this?
00:11 asciilifeform every devil, great and small, held up by his hindlegs over the fire will say exactly same thing: 'mistake'
00:11 decimation true.
00:11 decimation then again, who are the innocents using openssl to secure themselves?
00:12 asciilifeform at any rate, the offenders for this last item are known, habitual, and loudly unrepentant.
00:13 asciilifeform what next, we are to care about the 'innocents' 'securing themselves' with winblows?
00:13 asciilifeform the hell they rot in is a strictly voluntary place
00:14 decimation well, then why not congratulate, rather than roast, said devil?
00:14 asciilifeform decimation: notice that 'winblows' now includes much of the unixlike world, in practice.
00:16 asciilifeform what i'd like to see happen is for all the poor schmucks who report, e.g., a 'xen' 0day, to 'cert' et al, to understand that they are ~weaponsmithing for usg for free~
00:16 asciilifeform at the very least, ought to charge
00:16 asciilifeform if 'selling the rope with which to be hanged'
00:16 decimation even microsoft needs a tcp/ip stack - reminds me of your blog post on 'the burden of supporting all the world'
00:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00052781 = 6.5702 BTC [+]
00:19 decimation asciilifeform: what gets my goat are the constant pleadings for money money and power to do 'cyber'
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00054986 = 8.0829 BTC [+] {2}
00:22 asciilifeform decimation: the process of crafting, concealing, and then digging up '0days' is extremely labour-intensive
00:22 asciilifeform which also means that there is that much more to be embezzled via meta-armies of imaginary labourers
00:23 asciilifeform just like an f-35 engine compressor made from monocrystalline shitanium with unobtainium alloy blades is far more lucrative than an ordinary steel one
00:23 asciilifeform (because higher price tag + vapour delivery is far more lucrative than low + same vapour)
00:26 decimation asciilifeform: this is why the ru military were able to make fighters that match nato's for orders of magnitude less cash
00:26 decimation they only had to build planes, not employ zombies
00:27 decimation or at least fewer, cheaper zombies
00:28 decimation the supreme irony being that the story is that 'nato won' because of capitalist efficency
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00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6049 @ 0.00053927 = 3.262 BTC [-]
00:55 mircea_popescu <mats> HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz. << mmmyeah
00:55 mircea_popescu mod6 yeah i know it should be doable.
00:55 mircea_popescu maybne iof anyone feels like posting the link where doxygen / svg experts gather.
00:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am deliberately trampling that convention. fuck them.
00:58 mircea_popescu <mats> you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then << im kinda curious how this thing will go down :D
00:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is not practical to keep tb sized backups on webservers. make a local copy, put on torrents.
00:58 mircea_popescu im sure it's there anyway, but hey.
00:59 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~ << those grapes aren't whine yet.
01:01 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> very different items. << sure.
01:03 ben_vulpes jesus shit i blink and y'all crap out 400 lines?
01:03 mircea_popescu don't look at me, it's all them.
01:03 mircea_popescu an' with that, im off. have a great 5th of july erryone.
01:04 decimation ben_vulpes: I switched to erc, have seen the light
01:04 ben_vulpes decimation: lmk if you come up with an acceptable bouncer situation.
01:05 decimation tmux?
01:06 ben_vulpes sitrep: freshly provisioned server builds boost, bdb and openssl w/out a hitch, barfs on compiling bitcoind because lacking i b'leev integer retardation patch
01:06 ben_vulpes decimation: running more than one emacs chafes.
01:06 decimation what os?
01:06 decimation yeah that does suck I agree
01:06 ben_vulpes gentoo.
01:06 ben_vulpes decimation: have you looked into mosh?
01:07 decimation is that one of those client/server deals?
01:07 ben_vulpes can't say as i can tell from your question.
01:08 decimation bouncer server, remote clients?
01:08 ben_vulpes but it does new up a udp thinger.
01:08 ben_vulpes ah no, it's a tmuxalike
01:08 decimation oh wait is that the supposed ssh replacement
01:08 ben_vulpes but not a wm-wannabe
01:08 ben_vulpes more liek an ssh-wannabe
01:08 ben_vulpes mnno, not replacement
01:08 ben_vulpes but very good tool for persistent terminals on remote hosts.
01:08 decimation interesting
01:09 decimation yeah I get what you mean about more than one emacs
01:09 ben_vulpes good with high latency, network-hopping, all of the travails of diginomad life.
01:09 decimation want to cut/paste arbitrary things in emacs
01:09 ben_vulpes mhm
01:09 ben_vulpes i ran both znc and weechat as bouncers for a while
01:09 ben_vulpes shit was wack.
01:10 decimation heh yeah I looked at the znc config as said 'fuck this shit'
01:10 ben_vulpes oh you rejected it before you figured out that editing the config files while the thing waas running would fly it straight into the wall at 0.8 mach?
01:10 decimation I just didn't trust it by the smell
01:11 ben_vulpes i'm saying that my nose ain't that good yet
01:11 decimation heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel
01:11 ben_vulpes ;;later tell mircea_popescu an irc bouncer job advert wouldn't go amiss
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01:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:11 decimation aye
01:12 decimation or the gossipd thing
01:12 ben_vulpes <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << ugh i met another ozzie today
01:12 ben_vulpes decimation: re gossipd errything's gonna have to be reimplemented atop it
01:12 decimation indeed
01:12 ben_vulpes irc bouncer implementation's a good thing to have in the interim.
01:12 decimation emacs-gossipd
01:13 ben_vulpes "trivial", i'm sure
01:13 ben_vulpes (emacs-gd, that is)
01:13 decimation heh
01:13 ben_vulpes elisp!
01:13 ben_vulpes it's lisp, right?
01:13 ben_vulpes RIGHT
01:13 decimation heh. I'm not much of a lisp guy, but the ones I know aren't a fan of emacs lisp
01:14 ben_vulpes <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << met another ozzie this wknd
01:14 ben_vulpes still not a fan.
01:14 ben_vulpes caz passes, no idea why.
01:14 ben_vulpes decimation: it's p barbaric
01:14 ben_vulpes "poor man's lisp machine"
01:15 ben_vulpes look i'm just trying to make a mil or 5 over here
01:15 decimation yeah, I've seen the screenshots for 'zmacs'
01:15 ben_vulpes no time for reimplementing elisp or...emacs even.
01:15 decimation one day I will fire up that symbolics emulator
01:15 ben_vulpes although a barebones lisp editor is tempting.
01:16 decimation yeah I think I'm going to play with phf's blockchain code he wrote in lisp as an education
01:16 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> with a yo ho ho << and a bottle of fun!
01:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00054986 = 3.794 BTC [+]
01:16 ben_vulpes decimation: take a look at binary-types, per asciilifeform's suggestion
01:16 decimation okay, will do
01:17 decimation by the way my stator node is slow as balls, I"m not sure if it's my machine or the node
01:17 decimation it's taken like 8 hours to go 10k blocks
01:17 ben_vulpes whose seed?
01:17 decimation some random one on mircea's list
01:17 ben_vulpes so you're not sure if node code, machine host or seed.
01:18 decimation aye
01:18 ben_vulpes try herr popescus node or perhaps herr form's
01:18 decimation yeah that's a good idea
01:18 ben_vulpes testing this thing is a goddamn nightmare.
01:19 decimation yes, you basically have to devote a fulll machine to it
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01:19 ben_vulpes mhm.
01:20 cazalla ben_vulpes, so you base an entire nation on the few you've met.. gee get a load of this racist
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01:21 decimation he's gonna complain about australian shitposting now
01:21 ben_vulpes hey i'm an empiricist what do you want
01:21 ben_vulpes well for as long as nobody here uses shithouse.tv nothing here can be considered actual shitposting.
01:24 ben_vulpes <williamdunne> cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism << witticism, like witty
01:25 cazalla speaking of australia, our dollar is down to 5 year lows.. here's hoping it goes much lower http://i.imgur.com/FRus9l5.png
01:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZRjch )
01:25 ben_vulpes may you stay long when it's good for you and go short when it's good for you, caz
01:25 decimation that means chinamen can pay less for your ores
01:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.000548 = 4.1374 BTC [-]
01:28 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly
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01:28 assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
01:29 decimation Who do they think they are? snapchat?
01:29 * decimation to bed
01:30 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << someone who knows, someone wh doesn't
01:30 assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZRHHP )
01:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34238 @ 0.00054802 = 18.7631 BTC [+] {2}
01:33 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) << by virtue of living in the shit your whole life, you'll be able to read it.
01:35 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls
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01:37 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> they are exactly the same to me. << and your own zero days?
01:37 ben_vulpes where arse those?
01:41 ben_vulpes <decimation> heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel << tomorrow mayhap. tonight, the canadians have interesting ingestibles.
01:41 ben_vulpes night!
01:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00053927 = 10.8124 BTC [-]
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02:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44333 @ 0.00053927 = 23.9075 BTC [-]
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02:39 cazalla well Yanis Varoufakis fell on his sword, back to valve to make more hats i guess
02:42 punkman wait wut?
02:43 punkman he got the "no" he wanted
02:43 punkman guess the job doesn't pay well enough
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00054101 = 3.2461 BTC [+]
02:56 BingoBoingo https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/06/175a29e69a614ab0a194d4bd3c1a5220.md.png << Related to the BIP process
02:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2uVi8 )
02:56 cazalla http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/
02:56 assbot Minister No More! | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2uVPl )
03:10 punkman "The Greek Premier Alexis Tsipras is suffering from Herpes Labialis due to the stress of the last days."
03:12 punkman "I was running bitcoin core version 0.9 which accepted an invalid chain not adhering to the BIP66 protocol changes. This prompted me to upgrade immediately, however the new version is taking the already accepted blocks as already verified."
03:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00053783 = 22.1586 BTC [-] {3}
03:25 BingoBoingo punkman: Want to cover the latest stuff on the Greek beat?
03:26 cazalla https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_LisaF/status/615866332530278400
03:26 jurov <mircea_popescu> [20150706 01:30] btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped << yes davout offered but then went silent
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03:27 punkman BingoBoingo: was thinking of a "bailout timeline" thing after the dust settles
03:27 BingoBoingo k
03:28 jurov https://github.com/OpenGrok/OpenGrok/wiki/Comparison-with-Similar-Tools more lxr replacements, still does not even include doxygen
03:28 assbot Comparison with Similar Tools · OpenGrok/OpenGrok Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1giMvYK )
03:29 jurov and call graph not mentioned, too
03:37 cazalla going on holidays.. don't forget your smoke grenades https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_LisaF/status/529714501663608832
03:41 cazalla with the amount of confiscated hand guns featured on this twitter account, how the fuck does it not make the news erry day or is it simply the case they run the story every 3 months to keep to fresh
03:42 jurov !mpif
03:42 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
03:43 jurov !t m f.mpif
03:43 assbot Your actions are useless.
03:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00053248 = 18.0777 BTC [-] {4}
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04:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.000528 = 7.9464 BTC [-]
04:07 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189087 << i have funded znc-otr development with *gasp* my own bitcoins
04:07 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:11:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu an irc bouncer job advert wouldn't go amiss
04:08 jurov and generally find whole znc thing palatable
04:14 jurov !up rawplayer
04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.000528 = 31.4424 BTC [-]
04:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00054108 = 29.9758 BTC [+] {3}
04:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00054464 = 8.6053 BTC [+] {2}
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00055101 = 21.1037 BTC [+] {2}
04:36 jurov !up Drhelmut
04:36 Drhelmut hello
04:36 Drhelmut thx jurov, too lazy to voice myself
04:36 jurov !up hdbuck
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05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20457 @ 0.00055282 = 11.309 BTC [+] {3}
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05:17 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188958 < for blockchain or what ?
05:17 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 03:14:34; asciilifeform: kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ?
05:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17315 @ 0.00053781 = 9.3122 BTC [-]
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06:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38389 @ 0.00053956 = 20.7132 BTC [+] {2}
06:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00053244 = 17.8101 BTC [-]
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00053694 = 6.7654 BTC [+]
06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00052437 = 34.4511 BTC [-] {5}
06:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how do you mean ?
06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88450 @ 0.00053608 = 47.4163 BTC [+] {4}
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06:54 mats i just wanna read the code to their tools tbh
07:07 kakobrekla http://www.csoonline.com/article/2943968/data-breach/hacking-team-hacked-attackers-claim-400gb-in-dumped-data.html
07:07 assbot Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIWWBo )
07:07 mircea_popescu was in logs, alf wanted it mirrored.
07:09 jurov anyonen has working torrent/magnet link?
07:09 jurov i found one, it's stalling
07:09 jurov or anyone downloaded it already?
07:15 * mircea_popescu confesses to not having bothered.
07:15 mircea_popescu is it gone nao ?
07:16 kakobrekla what is gone?
07:16 mircea_popescu the 400gb thing
07:17 * kakobrekla still has no idea wtf the thing is
07:21 mircea_popescu kakobrekla apparently a dump of emails and other things
07:21 jurov most of googling leads to a 10M PDF which i'm loathing to touch
07:33 kakobrekla if only id been awake
07:39 jurov they waited until noone was on watch in #b-a
07:40 jurov https://netzpolitik.org/2015/hacking-team-wird-zu-hacked-team-400-gb-interne-daten-von-ueberwachungssoftware-hersteller-veroeffentlicht/
07:40 assbot Hacking Team wird zu Hacked Team: 400 GB interne Daten von Überwachungssoftware-Hersteller veröffentlicht | netzpolitik.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0fWpp )
07:41 jurov but my deluge has serious problem digesting there linked torrent
07:41 jurov gotta wait and see
07:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053741 = 7.685 BTC [+]
07:44 jurov haha and vuze says "too large to be a torrent"
07:45 jurov apparetly my pr0n toolchain of choice is insufficient for this task
07:46 mircea_popescu heh
07:46 mircea_popescu maybe you should give that 10mb pdf a second look :D
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00054262 = 10.7439 BTC [+]
07:50 punkman http://250bpm.com/blog:50
07:50 assbot Finish your stuff - 250bpm ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0gwn5 )
07:52 kakobrekla http://img.hihi.si/Upload/JPGc.png
07:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSfqjr )
07:54 jurov kakobrekla: using "Ein Torrent"?
07:55 kakobrekla fellows screenshot, from twitter mega torrent
08:00 mircea_popescu danielpbarron http://dpaste.com/1NYN9VX kthx.
08:00 assbot dpaste: 1NYN9VX ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSg3te )
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44913 @ 0.00053179 = 23.8843 BTC [-] {2}
08:05 mircea_popescu ok well since everyone thinks this so important ima have a machine contribute too, just fgor the seeding
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00052534 = 2.2427 BTC [-]
08:07 kakobrekla http://img.hihi.si/Upload/n3t4.png
08:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0hWha )
08:07 kakobrekla useless.
08:08 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJNmcVNUAAAiGZ2.png:large
08:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0i3ta )
08:08 punkman Passw0rd!!
08:09 mircea_popescu loller
08:09 williamdunne I'll give it a seed
08:09 williamdunne Anything interesting particularly yet?
08:09 mircea_popescu The latest Tweets from Christian Pozzi (@christian_pozzi): "We are closing down. Bye Saudi Arabia. You paid us well. Allahuhakbah."
08:10 mircea_popescu nothing much
08:10 williamdunne kakobrekla: I particularly like that it includes their router password
08:14 williamdunne Wonder if the source code is worth shit
08:15 mircea_popescu not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it.
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08:16 punkman http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/05/the-women-who-secretly-keep-isis-running.html
08:16 assbot The Women Who Secretly Keep ISIS Running - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iHab )
08:16 mircea_popescu sexual slavery eh.
08:17 williamdunne Mmm struggling to find as much as a magnet link for this
08:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63766 @ 0.00051937 = 33.1181 BTC [-] {4}
08:23 mircea_popescu maybe magnet:?dn=Hacked+Team&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fcoppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&xt=urn%3Abtih%3AKFQDX74I4CQ3HOWTSYTBJF4JFHE5E2KV ?
08:24 williamdunne Awesome, thanks
08:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189127 << kinda the way it goes neh ? project this large, be happy if you can get away with just one machine.
08:25 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:19:08; decimation: yes, you basically have to devote a fulll machine to it
08:25 shinohai @ jurov did u manage to get the torrent yet?
08:25 punkman https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24
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08:25 assbot Extra Unofficial XKEYSCORE Guide — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSif40 )
08:25 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189129 << i'm not getting a load off him, what, that's what he got a wife for.
08:25 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:20:41; cazalla: ben_vulpes, so you base an entire nation on the few you've met.. gee get a load of this racist
08:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189139 << ideally tho, dpaste is used for stuff like encrypted sends, in lieu of mail (which i love tbh, who knew irc + gpg obsoletes email!) or else for stuff like deedbotting. or generally, for spurious useless shit.
08:27 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:28:03; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly
08:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189147 << honestly i'm kinda surprised usians even know what cousins ARE.
08:28 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:35:37; ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls
08:29 mircea_popescu "Yanis Varoufakis, Greece's embattled finance minister, has resigned his post,"
08:29 mircea_popescu ah nm cazalla had it :p
08:32 mircea_popescu "It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms."
08:32 mircea_popescu eh fuck this guy. wtf is wrong with people.
08:32 mircea_popescu real reforms = raping "the needy" with a pointed stick. it is morally wrong to be needy and full fucking stop.
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64624 @ 0.00051488 = 33.2736 BTC [-] {2}
08:33 jurov shinohai: yes, it works wrt rtorrent, 1% done
08:34 shinohai Aweome jurov, that is a hefty dump for sure
08:34 mircea_popescu curious if any qntrable articles come out of this.
08:35 jurov will be in ~day
08:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address.
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08:37 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 07:26:33; jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20150706 01:30] btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped << yes davout offered but then went silent
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00051412 = 29.4077 BTC [-] {3}
08:38 jurov if it's shipped from murica maybe it's better to disassemble them, mark as "parts" so that customs aren't tempted to "fix" the declared price
08:39 davout o hey
08:39 davout wasn't it only friday?
08:39 jurov yes i immediately pm'd you never got a reply
08:39 * shinohai is eagerly waiting on his pogo to arrive this week.
08:40 davout i did take note, planning on sending them during the week
08:40 mircea_popescu davout never mind, gotta send more into yurp anyway
08:40 mircea_popescu keep yours, he's getting a fresh dozen
08:40 davout whatever arbeitet
08:40 jurov aha ok, thanks you all, send as many as you wish, i can forward them
08:41 mircea_popescu jurov we see how this goes.
08:41 mircea_popescu also you'll need ssds for 'em, best start collecting
08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181850 @ 0.00051204 = 93.1145 BTC [-] {5}
08:46 jurov lol, collect ssds from scrap?
08:47 mircea_popescu i dunno. whatever works. but you'll want a dozen ssds to run a dozen pogos.
08:47 davout with a bit of luck you'll be at the other end of the classical reddit: "o, i dumped my hdd with over 9000 btc on it and now i'm shoveling through the landfill"
08:48 jurov oh. i was not under impression that i'll be running them all. but 4-5 can be defo arranged
08:49 mircea_popescu well whoever runs htem
08:49 mircea_popescu davout wouldn't that be something :D
08:49 williamdunne davout: That actually resulted in a small army of people shovelling through a landfill
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09:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053558 = 13.3895 BTC [+]
09:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22617 @ 0.00052932 = 11.9716 BTC [-]
09:06 shinohai http://recode.net/2015/07/05/forget-bitcoin-what-is-the-blockchain-and-why-should-you-care/
09:06 assbot Forget Bitcoin — What Is the Blockchain and Why Should You Care? | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHgk1p )
09:06 shinohai ^Etherum lol
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18980 @ 0.00053793 = 10.2099 BTC [+] {2}
09:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5970 @ 0.00054468 = 3.2517 BTC [+]
09:20 williamdunne intheorium
09:20 williamdunne intheoreum
09:28 shinohai I like your name for it better williamdunne
09:29 punkman http://www.cnbc.com/id/102810291
09:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4ZW40 )
09:30 punkman "European Parliament president: Need to urgently discuss humanitarian aid for Greece"
09:30 punkman food drops?
09:30 williamdunne shinohai: Can't take all the credit.. http://intheoreum.org/
09:30 assbot InTheoreum ... ( http://bit.ly/1H502bP )
09:30 williamdunne punkman: New Africa
09:31 shinohai > Bob controls a worldwide public record of all transactions and is provably arbitrary. We call this record, the Bobchain.
09:32 shinohai lolz
09:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00054893 = 19.2126 BTC [+] {2}
09:32 punkman "The only limit on what you can do with Intheoreum is Bob himself. The Bobchain is nothing more than a man in a room maintaining the state of the intheoreum network with Number 2 Pencil technology."
09:35 williamdunne Intheoreum 1.0 will uses a cutting edge client/server hybrid peer to peer model. Bob is simultaneously your slave and your master. Our testing phase is complete and the Bobchain is live.
09:35 williamdunne Just ask Bob if you can use it today.
09:36 williamdunne "As worldwide interest in the Intheorum network increases success may overwhelm Bob alone. Foreseeing this problem we are planning Inthereum 2.0 technology to incorporate JENNYCHAIN, TIMCHAIN, SALLYCHAIN technology."
09:36 williamdunne "Powered in Theory"
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114950 @ 0.00055498 = 63.795 BTC [+] {6}
09:46 mod6 haha
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00055649 = 23.5117 BTC [+]
09:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.0005593 = 18.7366 BTC [+] {3}
10:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00055956 = 5.5396 BTC [+] {2}
10:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24151 @ 0.00055704 = 13.4531 BTC [-]
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055503 = 16.1236 BTC [-] {2}
10:20 asciilifeform 364035
10:21 asciilifeform and interestingly, a node '-connect'-ed to that one, is wedged at 363954 for 12+ hours now!
10:21 asciilifeform these are running 100% identical 'stator'
10:22 punkman asciilifeform: does it sit there doing nothing while wedged?
10:22 asciilifeform punkman: no, megatonnes of tx garbage
10:23 mircea_popescu in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/853da9c157c3a3129d72bdf4892949fb/tumblr_mttcnr7D0x1sjgtlbo1_1280.jpg
10:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYZv )
10:23 punkman http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1935/type_mask.jpg
10:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYst )
10:25 asciilifeform seeing many thousands of 'ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : nonstandard transaction type' also.
10:25 asciilifeform and also, as before, ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED
10:27 asciilifeform this appears to be the proximate cause of the wedge
10:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35168 @ 0.00055985 = 19.6888 BTC [+] {2}
10:30 pete_dushenski is anyone actively typing up a eulogy for varoufakis ?
10:31 pete_dushenski ^cazalla BingoBoingo punkman ?
10:31 pete_dushenski if not, i'm there
10:31 punkman go ahead
10:31 pete_dushenski aite.
10:32 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu that box really hasn't sufficient i/o to comfortably house phuctor and node. but i presently haven't any other place to put a node.
10:32 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:32 mircea_popescu is it a disk issue ?
10:32 asciilifeform almost certainly
10:34 asciilifeform and is anyone else experiencing a wedged 0.5.x node of the precise kind i have ?
10:35 asciilifeform because what i am seeing has every mark of an orchestrated attack against degavinated network, under the smoke cover of the ph0rk aftermath
10:36 asciilifeform atm i don't have access to a usable bitcoin node at all!
10:37 asciilifeform wtf does that thing even care about timestamps
10:38 * asciilifeform bbl
10:42 williamdunne asciilifeform: What marks would these be?
10:44 williamdunne Hmmm....
10:44 williamdunne https://www.coinbase.com/network
10:44 assbot Bitcoin Network Stats - Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEFuwm )
10:44 williamdunne 0 Peers Connected
10:44 williamdunne 17 available
10:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9898 @ 0.00055425 = 5.486 BTC [-]
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0005373 = 4.0835 BTC [-]
10:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00054907 = 4.2553 BTC [+] {3}
10:58 scoopbot_revived Eulora skills update http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-skills-update/
10:59 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189283 << should I take them out of original packaging to save space? and jurov send me address whenever, encrypted with my key if you like
10:59 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:37:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address.
11:03 mircea_popescu danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says
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11:03 mircea_popescu but in any case yes.
11:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ?
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11:04 danielpbarron apart as in unscrew the plastic shell of each unit?
11:04 mircea_popescu i always thought ram and cpu are the constraints there
11:04 mircea_popescu i dunno what he meant o.O
11:08 shinohai http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/adult-preschool-charges-hipsters-to-take-naps-play-with-glitter-glue-1.3007745
11:08 assbot 'Adult preschool' charges hipsters to take naps, play with glitter glue - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWb4iY )
11:11 shinohai I should be so clever as to come up with ideas like this, to relieve redditors of their monies.
11:16 mod6 haha
11:29 pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2MQJ46C.txt
11:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fhaLKx )
11:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:29 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: and nice fix :)
11:31 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/2FKAE48.txt
11:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fhaVBN )
11:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:31 pete_dushenski and with that, ima sign off for nao. ciao !
11:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00053775 = 1.9999 BTC [-]
11:50 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
11:50 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 278.01, Best ask: 278.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 278.13, 24 hour volume: 71997.83403132, 24 hour low: 262.2, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None
11:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21718 @ 0.00053775 = 11.6789 BTC [-]
11:50 mircea_popescu yeah, who needs vwap for anything.
11:50 mircea_popescu sigh.
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12:15 punkman asciilifeform: wtf does that thing even care about timestamps << for adjusting difficulty
12:16 ben_vulpes punkman: shouldn't that be a function of the number of blocks since the last difficulty adjustment?
12:18 kakobrekla every 2016 blocks
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00054389 = 11.0682 BTC [+] {2}
12:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00054778 = 24.3214 BTC [+] {2}
12:19 jurov ben_vulpes: yes it is, but also time elapsed
12:20 punkman ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget
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12:20 kakobrekla speed is a function of time and distance, so you need to know how much time has passed in the 2016 blocks, right?
12:30 * ben_vulpes bows
12:36 punkman https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html
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12:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH4AMW )
12:38 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11433 @ 0.00052855 = 6.0429 BTC [-] {2}
12:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10632 @ 0.00052055 = 5.5345 BTC [-]
12:41 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189410 << arsebleed!
12:41 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 16:36:24; punkman: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html
12:42 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189407 << probably should've been more specific - why does it matter if timestamp is 'too far in future' ?
12:42 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 16:20:00; punkman: ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget
12:43 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189377 << don't lose the steel plate that sits under the pcb - it's the only heatsink
12:43 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:24; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says
12:43 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189379 << not sure if it's solely disk, or also net, as of this moment. and simply getting 2nd box may be more cost-effective.
12:43 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:54; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ?
12:44 punkman ascii_field:rejects too far in the future because it wants to keep "network time" within some bounds
12:45 ascii_field seems like logical thing to do would be to accept the block but not move the local epoch time if the block's time is an outlier ?
12:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00051493 = 9.2172 BTC [-] {2}
12:46 punkman ascii_field: not sure what you mean with "but not move the local epoch time"
12:47 * ascii_field possibly needs caffeine
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138856 @ 0.00054257 = 75.3391 BTC [+] {5}
12:49 punkman relevant code: https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1346 and https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/util.cpp#L823
12:49 assbot real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YmO )
12:49 assbot real-bitcoin/util.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YDd )
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00055948 = 10.9099 BTC [+]
13:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00056184 = 26.2379 BTC [+] {5}
13:06 ben_vulpes http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception
13:06 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH9CsN )
13:06 ben_vulpes excellent long term cost reduction strategy imho
13:17 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:18 ascii_field in other nyooz, my portable test node is synced.
13:22 mats https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-backdoor/blob/master/lib/rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb#L180
13:22 assbot rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-backdoor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcmpO )
13:24 ascii_field l0l!!
13:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42346 @ 0.00056446 = 23.9026 BTC [+] {3}
13:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what's your seeder IP again?
13:24 ascii_field ben_vulpes: this one is behind a nat atm
13:24 ben_vulpes aha.
13:24 ascii_field the other one is at nosuchlabs.com
13:24 ascii_field but wasn't synced last i saw
13:25 ascii_field mats: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189254
13:25 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:15:59; mircea_popescu: not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it.
13:25 ascii_field looks like ^ happened, aha
13:25 ben_vulpes stuck on a particular block, or still syncing?
13:25 ascii_field block
13:25 mats ain't the net a grand place?
13:29 ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/blob/master/melter/src/main.c << debian rootkit ?
13:29 assbot core-linux/main.c at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdB8H )
13:29 ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/tree/master/melter/lib/packages << diddled ssl ?
13:29 assbot core-linux/melter/lib/packages at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdEkS )
13:29 ascii_field too many lulz
13:30 ben_vulpes ascii_field: do cli flags get auto-munged into bitcoin.conf flags?
13:30 ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/GeoTrust << sign yer driverz!
13:30 assbot hackedteam/GeoTrust · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdKc0 )
13:30 ascii_field ben_vulpes: whaddayamean
13:30 ben_vulpes take your myip flag - is that automagically a .conf file option as well?
13:31 ascii_field ben_vulpes: iirc
13:31 ascii_field try
13:31 ben_vulpes will
13:31 ascii_field gotta love how the morons had their private keys thrown to the wind
13:35 ascii_field gotta also love the clean, well-commented (italian!) cpp
13:35 trinque good morning all
13:35 ascii_field not some sp4mz0r, just a normal software co.
13:35 ascii_field they just happen to write turdware for usg.
13:37 ben_vulpes stator syncing
13:37 * ben_vulpes is late to the party. again.
13:37 trinque anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo?
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13:37 ben_vulpes but perhaps fashionably so?
13:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61022 @ 0.00056481 = 34.4658 BTC [+] {3}
13:37 trinque if not, we'll find out I suppose shortly
13:38 ben_vulpes does anyone know at a high level how nginx does the "swap binary while running" trick?
13:38 ben_vulpes trinque: is that info missing from asciilifeform's post to the ml?
13:38 ben_vulpes "pogotronic" iirc
13:38 * ben_vulpes to mu
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113316 @ 0.00056775 = 64.3352 BTC [+] {6}
13:38 trinque ben_vulpes: oh I can look, just poking your caches first
13:38 trinque I tried building stator with arm-linux-gnueabi and it segfaults on the pogo
13:39 trinque *cross-compiling, that is
13:39 trinque trying to get some repeatable builds going for arm
13:39 ben_vulpes neato
13:39 ben_vulpes ty
13:39 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189474 << yes
13:39 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 17:37:21; trinque: anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo?
13:39 trinque ty
13:39 ascii_field this is in 'portatronic'
13:40 ascii_field the buildroot gives you the complete toolchain you need, independently from that of the box you're on
13:40 ascii_field i recommend using that
13:41 trinque k
13:41 ascii_field gotta be little-endian armv5
13:41 ascii_field or will barf spectacularly
13:42 ascii_field (for the exact instruction set supported, see the marvell datasheet posted ~6 mo. ago.)
13:43 ben_vulpes http://wiki.nginx.org/CommandLine#Upgrading_To_a_New_Binary_On_The_Fly
13:43 assbot CommandLine - Nginx Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHg4Qh )
13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.0005698 = 48.376 BTC [+] {2}
13:46 ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/vector-ipa/tree/master/src << quality wifi mitm-er
13:46 assbot vector-ipa/src at master · hackedteam/vector-ipa · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHgGpk )
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14:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00056706 = 15.9344 BTC [-]
14:08 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:09 ascii_field anyone who sees a 'martian' version number from nosuchlabs public node, please don't be alarmed. running an experiment today, to determine whether we are being corralled by gavinists using advertised version constant
14:16 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: if you liked clements tall tales, you might get a kick out of Glynn-Ward's "Glamour of British Columbia"
14:16 ascii_field http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/28440452/ << interesting
14:16 assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1M83QNX )
14:16 ascii_field ^ re: block timestamping
14:18 ben_vulpes "The English come out and travel through, knowing all about everything beforehand, as the English always do; and, having set standards, they compare the Fraser to the Thames (former too wide) and the Selkirks to the Cotswolds (former too high). They get out to spend a day or so at Lake Louise or Jasper, then get into the train again and stay there till they reach Vancouver. Then they go back to England and give vague lectures in town
14:18 ben_vulpes halls, about "great open spaces" and "the need for a population." But they know nothing of the real British Columbia.
14:19 ascii_field so i'm nearly certain that the timestamp ~2h epoch time window is the reason for wedged 0.5.x nodes, at this point
14:19 ben_vulpes The Americans come, with plenty of money, and stay at the much-advertised hotels, gulping down the Rockies in predigested doses, thenrace through in a Pullman car to the next big hotel on the coast. And how can they know anything of the province?
14:19 kakobrekla >but I can't fake the hashing power it needs to
14:19 kakobrekla generate one year's worth of hashes. < isnt this one year actually 10 min ?
14:20 ben_vulpes The little Jap who, laughing up and down his sleeve goes cheerfully about his business in a gas-boat up the coast, or picks out the best small-fruit land in the country; the ubiquitous Chinaman, steadily cornering all the loose cash in the land -- of a surety these two know more of British Columbia than most white men!
14:20 ascii_field kakobrekla: ^ if there were no record of the early blocks - then yes
14:21 ben_vulpes ascii_field: fascinating! what gears are failing to mesh here?
14:22 kakobrekla >you won't gain much by lying to your peers since your block won't be
14:22 kakobrekla accepted < like miners care
14:22 kakobrekla bah fuckin line breaks
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00056597 = 11.4326 BTC [-] {2}
14:24 ben_vulpes Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained that these two men had to be
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14:24 ben_vulpes supplied -- and it was getting late in the autumn.
14:25 ben_vulpes So C. B. at once set off north again witha pack-train of sixty-eight horses. He had no very great hope of being able to make his destination before the hard weather came on, but he traveled with all the speed possible, to get over the worst places on the trail before ths first snow fell. But as ill-luck would have it, it began to snow one night just as he came to the rock ledges where the going was bad at the best of times. It snowed
14:25 ben_vulpes all next day and the following night without any let-up.
14:25 ben_vulpes Every now and then a horse would miss its footing and go over, sometimes into the rushing river below, to be lost forever. Then it froze, and the going was hopeless. One by one the horses slipped and went down until it was impossible to go onward. C. B. shrugged his shoulders and altered his plans.
14:25 ben_vulpes <photo>
14:26 ben_vulpes Those supplies had to be delivered to the men patiently waiting for them at the far end of the trail, So he cached the supplies, hoiseted as many carcases of the dead horses as possible into trees where the wolves could not get them, and went all the way back to Hazelton to get dog-teams.
14:26 ascii_field ben_vulpes: ???
14:27 ben_vulpes (almost done, ascii_field)
14:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.00055906 = 4.2159 BTC [-] {2}
14:28 punkman ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
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14:28 assbot culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJPzK3 )
14:28 ben_vulpes Again he started out, this time with a hundred and twenty-eight dogs, and when he came to the place where he had turned back, he was able to feed the dogs on dead horse-meat, and so get through to the cabin where to two men were waiting. But on the return trip, the going was heavy and slow and he found that the worlves had reached the cache of horse-meat and finished it up, so the dogs were short of food and though he killed one after
14:28 ben_vulpes another to feed the rest, they weakend and died on the trail.
14:29 ben_vulpes So it was that C. B. returned to Hazelton afoot, limping into the hotel one snowy night in midwinter, "broke to the wide", but otherwise unconcerned.
14:29 ben_vulpes "Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said.
14:29 ben_vulpes ^^ the wot at work. ridiculous numbers aside, we tell stories of heroic deeds performed in service of the papers we sign.
14:30 ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character?
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14:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33103 @ 0.00055826 = 18.4801 BTC [-]
14:36 hdbuck hello mircea_popescu, just passing by to say thx for the rating
14:36 ben_vulpes ascii_field: are blocks from headers-only miners coming out with timestamps too far in the future?
14:36 jurov ben_vulpes: nginx prolly just exec()s itself
14:36 ascii_field ben_vulpes: i do not yet know the answer to this
14:37 ben_vulpes jurov: there's a bit more than that. did you read my subsequent link?
14:37 ben_vulpes there's a whole sig* song and dance.
14:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00055339 = 1.8799 BTC [-]
14:40 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:40 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out it was the epoch time
14:40 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:41 ascii_field in other news, give my regards to http://dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu
14:41 assbot dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88g7G )
14:41 ben_vulpes ascii_field: how'd you run it down?
14:42 ascii_field ben_vulpes: moved it by hand
14:42 ascii_field this is a rather worrisome discovery
14:42 ben_vulpes "it" << specifically?
14:42 ascii_field (not the umd box. though betcha it belongs to the umd scamlab)
14:42 ascii_field the epoch thing
14:43 ben_vulpes https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1347 << this?
14:43 assbot real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88uLT )
14:43 ascii_field aha
14:43 ben_vulpes is this a direct result of headers only mining?
14:44 ascii_field i had the box set to my local time instead of gmt
14:44 ben_vulpes awut
14:45 ascii_field but what this means is that no, the thing won't correct for clock offset
14:45 ascii_field it will just silently cough blood
14:45 ben_vulpes blee. so block validation relies on some absolute coordinated time?
14:45 ben_vulpes jesus shit. we'll have to run our own ntp cluster next.
14:45 mircea_popescu myeap.
14:45 ascii_field if |your_epoch - block_epoch| > 2hour then lose
14:46 mircea_popescu ascii_field i could have told you that
14:46 mircea_popescu sadly, was eating.
14:46 ben_vulpes node has been wedged for more than a lunch iirc
14:46 ascii_field i knew the basic fact of. but given as the box displayed correct wall time, did not think of it
14:46 ascii_field had to check by hand
14:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00055682 = 25.6416 BTC [+] {2}
14:46 ascii_field date +%s
14:47 ascii_field amazing that it ever worked
14:47 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
14:47 kakobrekla 'your_epoch' is 'network-adjusted time' isnt it
14:47 ascii_field kakobrekla: theoretically, epoch time is 'one for all of us, like victory'
14:47 ascii_field normally gmt.
14:48 kakobrekla >A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
14:48 kakobrekla this suggests otherwise ?
14:48 ascii_field but since i refuse to run ntp on the box, i ended up setting date manually when i was given it
14:48 ascii_field and this, turns out, moved epoch time!
14:48 ascii_field instead of merely moving offset
14:48 ben_vulpes blee
14:49 mircea_popescu ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that
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14:49 ascii_field also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today
14:49 assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet )
14:49 mircea_popescu how the fuck we ended up with this situation where diff machiens have unequal times is beyond me
14:49 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it was intended to work as you stated above
14:50 mircea_popescu i know.
14:50 ben_vulpes <ascii_field> also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe
14:50 assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet )
14:50 ben_vulpes i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea.
14:51 mircea_popescu it really makes very little difference
14:51 ben_vulpes why advertise version instead of just responding to network messages?
14:51 mircea_popescu if you mined and set the block version to maxint it might.
14:52 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping.
14:52 ascii_field ben_vulpes: i brought up this point before. asked mircea_popescu why we insist on making it so easy for gavinists to wall off our net from the rubes. iirc mircea_popescu said 'fuck them all'
14:52 ben_vulpes imho there are 3 things to be done
14:53 ben_vulpes 1 be "honest" advertise some "version"
14:53 ben_vulpes 2 be stealthy, advertise whatever "version" is "current" with the shitgnomes
14:53 ben_vulpes 3 say "fu this shit is wrong and stupid", set version to $maxint
14:53 * ascii_field favours 3 and stated this some time ago
14:54 ben_vulpes i'm coming around.
14:54 ben_vulpes perhaps should be configgable for stealth in production.
14:54 ben_vulpes trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested.
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14:54 kakobrekla i dont see how maxint is better than '0' except for the pride parade
14:54 ascii_field they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to
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14:55 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: there's logic in even the RI codebase that does derpy shit if version numbers are below some critical value.
14:55 ascii_field aha
14:55 ben_vulpes ergo we can only ratchet forward. like evolution.
14:55 kakobrekla wait , and you want this to remain in?
14:56 ben_vulpes it is *live on the network*
14:56 ascii_field kakobrekla: which 'this' ?
14:56 ben_vulpes has nothing to do with our codebase.
14:56 kakobrekla ascii_field special low version logic
14:56 ascii_field kakobrekla: fact is, if one of our nodes says 'ver 0', everyone it connects to will throw turds in its face
14:56 kakobrekla it doesnt make sense to even use that
14:57 ascii_field kakobrekla: ~other people~ use it
14:57 ben_vulpes hehe turds
14:57 kakobrekla we care for other people now ?
14:57 trinque the thing's a network after all...
14:57 ascii_field kakobrekla: when we move to alpha centauri with own miners - we can stop
14:57 ben_vulpes ascii_field: actually this bears testing too.
14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27294 @ 0.00054821 = 14.9628 BTC [-] {2}
14:58 ben_vulpes "does a node with version == 0 fail to sync?"
14:58 * ben_vulpes can barf up this patch sometime this week if not beaten to punch
14:58 ben_vulpes configgable patch, that is.
14:58 ben_vulpes because recompiling bitcoin to set its version number is fucking retarded.
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23256 @ 0.00052653 = 12.245 BTC [-]
14:59 * ben_vulpes also suspects that alf is holding this patch in abeyance
14:59 kakobrekla also try empty value while you are at it
14:59 * jurov votes for ver. num. 1337
14:59 trinque heh!
14:59 ben_vulpes 8007135
14:59 ben_vulpes 8008135
14:59 ascii_field when we get own planet, with own miners, then - all the solipsism you like
15:00 ascii_field until then, we get wedged nodes and other joys
15:00 ben_vulpes wait, wedge is related to version number?
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15:00 ascii_field ben_vulpes: speaking here of block ver constant
15:00 ascii_field the other one appears to only affect 'phone books', which i'm not even certain matter
15:00 ascii_field (other than the low ver. corner cases mentioned earlier)
15:01 kakobrekla eh block ver doesnt not even matter until you can produce a block
15:02 ascii_field the epoch thing is a more pressing matter
15:02 ascii_field POGO HAS NO RTC CLOCK
15:02 ascii_field ^^^^
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00052595 = 13.5169 BTC [-] {2}
15:03 ben_vulpes myeah i'm troubled.
15:03 punkman pogo can use something like https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate
15:03 assbot ioerror/tlsdate · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8cf44 )
15:04 punkman or regular ntp
15:04 ascii_field punkman: ssl ? no thx
15:04 ascii_field not to mention that ANY AND ALL hardcoded addrs ~will~ be targets
15:04 ben_vulpes ascii_field:and why no ntp?
15:04 ascii_field every bit as bad as ntp
15:04 ascii_field ben_vulpes: because 100% usg
15:05 ascii_field hitler literally has a button that can set it to whatever.
15:05 trinque could you use the same sort of logic ntpd does against block timestamps?
15:05 ascii_field trinque: ~which~ blocks
15:05 ascii_field any and all turds that claim to be blocks ?
15:05 ascii_field this is a catch-22, realize
15:05 trinque seems you'd have to trust at least one node
15:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16854 @ 0.00053798 = 9.0671 BTC [+]
15:06 trinque yeah I do
15:06 ascii_field part of block validation is 'is the timestamp <2h from now'
15:06 ascii_field as discussed earlier in this thread
15:06 punkman "[OPEN] Reimplement NTP"
15:06 kakobrekla but time now is also determined by your peers
15:06 ben_vulpes hyu
15:07 ascii_field ^ without centralization
15:07 ascii_field this is, incidentally, a much harder problem than the invention of bitcoin
15:10 punkman "Revenue from new accounts : 0 BTC" oh noes
15:10 punkman is this a first?
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15:10 ascii_field perhaps the day finally came when everyone who could ever afford it - has bought
15:11 punkman !up ascii_field
15:11 trinque so there's "network adjusted time" right?
15:11 trinque that's already just the median time of the peers you know
15:11 ascii_field trinque: realize that this can be manipulated by the enemy
15:11 ascii_field to be whatever the fuck he wants
15:11 ascii_field just by sybiling your node
15:12 trinque sure
15:12 trinque I don't see a way of getting the time that *doesn't* suffer from that
15:12 ascii_field there ~is~ the way of having a working clock
15:12 trinque aside from having been set by me, using my cesium clock, then running on battery with an RTC thereafter
15:12 ascii_field but we don't have one.
15:12 trinque yeah
15:12 ascii_field even a $1 rtc chip, the kind found on old pc mobos, would suffice
15:13 ascii_field but we don't have even this.
15:13 trinque ascii_field: does not seem there's any sense in continuing on trying to do something distributed without an rtc
15:13 ascii_field trinque: realize that without pogo, you're paying literally 10+ TIMES more per node.
15:14 ascii_field the only solution i can presently think of is a variant of ntp over gossipd.
15:14 ascii_field that, or external physical rtc.
15:16 punkman solder rtc to serial interface?
15:16 ascii_field punkman: who wants to do this? you ?
15:16 ascii_field go, solder.
15:16 trinque surely there's a tiny USB rtc
15:16 * trinque is googling
15:16 ascii_field trinque: yes. costs about what the pogo does
15:17 trinque that's less than 10x
15:17 ascii_field 'measely' 2x
15:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056838 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2}
15:23 jurov have we fixed the peer selection? if peers are to be configured manually, they are trustworthy enough to fetch time from, no?
15:24 trinque jurov: that was my thought.
15:25 trinque but then I suppose that suffers from attacks against the routing involved to get to that IP
15:25 trinque hence gossipd
15:26 trinque incidentally I have found tinc to be rather fucking nice for p2p networking
15:26 jurov okay, but line must be drawn somewhere
15:27 jurov i can't imagine what would have to be done if you expect your own pipe to be utterly hostile
15:27 trinque I dunno any additional complexity is "cheaper" than the extra 25 bucks or w/e for the clock
15:27 ascii_field jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist
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15:28 ascii_field and yes, i expect the pipe to be maximally hostile
15:29 ascii_field but more than anything, i expect that any centralized points of failure ~will~ be usgized
15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51977 @ 0.00056989 = 29.6212 BTC [+] {5}
15:31 trinque this tlsdate thing is hilarious
15:31 ascii_field trinque: aha, just when i thought that nothing could be more retarded than ntp
15:32 trinque there's a github repo out there for everything
15:32 * trinque finds lunch
15:33 ascii_field the time problem has to be solved
15:33 ascii_field WITHOUT doing retarded things
15:33 trinque so you don't like the outboard rtc?
15:33 ascii_field no.
15:33 punkman the parasitic timestamp fetching is not a bad idea though
15:33 ascii_field because - again - cost
15:33 ascii_field punkman: again, no
15:33 ascii_field every bit as bad as ntp!
15:33 ascii_field uses servers!
15:33 trinque $50 does not seem prohibitive, but k
15:33 ascii_field trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo
15:34 trinque was going off "double" and including pogo
15:34 trinque but in either case
15:34 ascii_field a solution that HALVES our fleet is ispo facto retarded!
15:34 ascii_field picture an admiral agreeing to lose 'only half' of his fleet
15:34 trinque sure sure
15:34 trinque but actual cost of a vessel is not yet determined
15:34 punkman what fleet
15:35 trinque maybe without the rtc it's a leaky boat
15:35 trinque but anyhow, could be retarded, sure
15:35 * trinque will ponder the mysteries of pogotime over food matter
15:35 ascii_field even if the thing had a battery-backed otc, there would remain the question of how to set it
15:36 ascii_field but it doesn't.
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53197 @ 0.00057204 = 30.4308 BTC [+] {3}
15:37 ascii_field i am reaching the conclusion that: to the extent bitcoin relies on political time AT ALL, it is broken.
15:37 ben_vulpes ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted".
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00055261 = 6.4379 BTC [-]
15:37 ascii_field ben_vulpes: there wouldn't be any '-connect' on pogo net
15:37 ascii_field given that it turns your node into a boat anchor
15:37 ascii_field (no one can connect to it)
15:38 ascii_field it'd have to warm up with a few 'addnode's pointing to working boxes, to run at all, yes
15:38 ascii_field but given as the protocol has no authentication, these could vomit forth literally anything
15:39 ben_vulpes i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated.
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15:40 kakobrekla <ascii_field> trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo < if you dont include ssd you dont have a working node
15:40 ascii_field kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop
15:40 ben_vulpes i must derp my ass down the coast now, however.
15:40 jurov i'm eyeing 64GB SSDs for 36 euro
15:41 punkman ben_vulpes: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189265 regarding GPG-diddler automation
15:41 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:25:31; punkman: https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24
15:41 jurov should last 2 years, hoepfully then there will be sth much cheaper
15:42 kakobrekla !up ascii_field
15:42 jurov i don't have anything around to rip
15:42 kakobrekla ascii_field> kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop < maybe that is true for you and me but not the majority i dont think
15:43 ascii_field kakobrekla: even so, it is a bog-standard consumer product and could be obtained with massive bulk discount if we were to try in earnest
15:43 ascii_field the rest of the system - no
15:43 kakobrekla china usb rtc in bulk 5$?
15:43 jurov for example eeepcs had 8/19G SSDs, not suitable
15:43 ascii_field and presently, i am failing to turn up usb rtc modules for any price on mass market
15:43 ascii_field the ~20 usd figure came out of my arse
15:43 ascii_field based on component cost
15:44 ascii_field kakobrekla: if you know of one, plz link
15:44 kakobrekla i was chicomfying your turd only
15:44 jurov ssd business is so brisk, i doubt very much there will be significant bulk discounts
15:45 kakobrekla i agree
15:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00057267 = 5.3545 BTC [+]
15:46 ascii_field "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
15:46 jurov or $20 only fake 4G chips
15:46 ascii_field ^ interesting
15:46 jurov marked as 64
15:47 * shinohai wants to start a pogo bitnode factory, ensure domination of therealbitcoin
15:47 ascii_field ... and the node is 2 blocks ahead of 'blockchain.info'
15:47 ascii_field shinohai: good luck obtaining so much as ONE system-on-chip for the prototype
15:47 ascii_field i've been trying for ~6 months and could not.
15:48 shinohai T_T
15:48 ascii_field it appears to be utterly impossible to obtain the key components outside of cn
15:48 punkman ascii_field: I think that error means node is sending you command only present in later nodes
15:48 ascii_field and tw
15:48 ascii_field punkman: well, yes. but ~which~
15:48 kakobrekla bc info seems sorta down
15:49 punkman need mega-debug-sanity patch
15:49 ascii_field works here
15:49 * kakobrekla fuckin hates the days when he has to worry about britneychain
15:49 kakobrekla the chain is down, not site
15:49 ascii_field and shows that the gavinists are busy bees, stuffing the britneychain full of liquid shit
15:49 jurov http://www.dx.com/p/ds1302-real-time-clock-module-blue-151999#.VZrNH5R9zmE and plenty of others there
15:49 assbot DS1302 Real Time Clock Module - Blue - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J164vA )
15:50 ascii_field jurov: NOT USB !!!!
15:50 ascii_field unless you'd like to personally solder these to all 5,000 theoretical pogos
15:50 ascii_field for free
15:50 jurov *shrug*. so? throw usbserial chip in?
15:50 ascii_field 'throw'
15:50 ascii_field want to solder ?
15:51 * trinque waves hands
15:51 ascii_field just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together
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15:51 jurov surely there are monkeys around that can solver that
15:51 jurov *solder
15:51 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 < this
15:51 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:49:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that
15:51 decimation actually happens on linux as I understand. there's a thing
15:51 decimation called CLOCK_MONOTONIC
15:51 decimation http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3523442/difference-between-clock-realtime-and-clock-monotonic
15:51 assbot linux - Difference between CLOCK_REALTIME and CLOCK_MONOTONIC? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16jXw )
15:52 decimation sorry for the munged spacing :(
15:52 ascii_field jurov: involving ~any~ monkey at all is astronomically outside of what we expected the cost to be.
15:52 trinque jurov: I have no slave monkeys that can solder
15:53 ascii_field right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack'
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15:53 ascii_field if there is 'monkey' in between those, add many times the cost in transportation at the least.
15:53 ascii_field dead end.
15:53 jurov yes. and you so like to paint yourself into corner
15:53 ascii_field jurov probably noticed that just moving one of these from america to europe doubles the cost.
15:54 punkman "[OPEN] Reimplement pogo in chinese"
15:54 jurov http://www.dx.com/p/usb-to-ttl-cp2102-serial-module-red-309988#.VZrOeJR9zmE maybe even no soldering is required, just wire this to rtc module
15:54 assbot USB to TTL CP2102 Serial Module - Red - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16tOH )
15:54 decimation why not write a lightweight client that gets the time from trusted bitcoind node network?
15:54 ascii_field decimation: because bitcoin doesn't use crypto
15:54 ascii_field there is no such thing as a 'trusted node'
15:54 decimation no, but latest block?
15:54 ascii_field circular logic
15:54 ascii_field whether a block can be 'latest' depends on local time!
15:55 decimation not if multiple nodes are queried
15:55 ascii_field sybils
15:55 decimation myeah
15:55 decimation if you actually want to keep time offline it's not gonna be cheap or easy
15:56 jurov then you painted yourself to a corner and need tiny webserver for user to set time manually
15:56 danielpbarron jurov mircea_popescu sent
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15:56 jurov or some such
15:56 decimation what's wrong with usg timeservers?
15:56 jurov danielpbarron: how many?
15:56 ascii_field jurov: not sure if it is so much of a corner. perhaps it is possible to get a 'good enough' picture of political time via some clever means
15:56 decimation no need to run ntp, just ask for time once
15:57 ascii_field thing needs time every time it powers up
15:57 danielpbarron jurov, enough "parts" to make 12
15:57 decimation so?
15:57 decimation it asks for tiem when it powers up
15:57 jurov wow, thanks
15:57 decimation plenty of shit does that
15:57 ascii_field plenty of shit gets owned to pieces
15:57 jurov that's not clever enough for alf
15:57 decimation lol so you are gonna get diddled time?
15:57 ascii_field i fully expect it
15:58 danielpbarron a few of the inner plastic clips got cracked in the de-shelling process but they should still click back together no problem
15:58 ascii_field but more prosaically, ddosed servers
15:58 decimation okay if we are taking it that level, then you really need non-network time
15:58 decimation gps, shortwave, longwave, etc
15:58 decimation maybe it can come with a plug-in sextant?
15:58 ascii_field l0l gps time
15:59 ascii_field jammed for sport as we speak
15:59 trinque some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions?
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15:59 ascii_field by fuck knows how many folks
15:59 decimation fine, glosnass, galileo
15:59 ascii_field same
15:59 ascii_field and no signature
16:00 ascii_field i am looking forward to hearing of some answer other than soldering iron or gossipd
16:00 ascii_field mircea_popescu awake ?
16:00 decimation or use WWVB and/or DCF77 and whatever else
16:00 punkman slavegirl must post signed timestamp every 10 minutes?
16:00 ascii_field decimation: quickest way to make sure any kid can set your clock to whatever he wants
16:01 ascii_field is to use un-rsasigned radio !
16:01 decimation lol
16:01 decimation alright, apparently we need a #b-a radio clock transmitter too
16:01 jurov and if we have rsa-signed time, usg will pwn or jam that too
16:01 ascii_field and now we've turned bitcoin into a centralized turd
16:02 ascii_field as jurov points out.
16:02 decimation it was already such a turd, we are just trying to find out what to do about it
16:02 ascii_field aha.
16:03 ascii_field probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely
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16:03 decimation if we are this paranoid about it, the only solution I can think of is to ship a separate box with an ethernet port
16:03 trinque ascii_field: what's wrong with the idea of signaling via specially crafted txn?
16:03 ascii_field trinque: crafted how ?
16:03 decimation that serves time via ntp server and has a push-button input on the front panel
16:03 ascii_field and what is the thing to do until it hears it ?
16:03 ascii_field decimation: gonna ship a gigabit switch also?
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13392 @ 0.00056806 = 7.6075 BTC [-]
16:03 decimation can be 10/100
16:04 ascii_field and now you've throttled the pogo to 10/100
16:04 ascii_field and who will produce magic box? martians?
16:04 jurov well.. nuke the time-related checks altogether?
16:04 trinque ascii_field: the script itself could be both properly signed and invalid right?
16:04 trinque could you encode the time into it?
16:05 trinque and consider certain addresses a valid source of time?
16:05 ascii_field jurov: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189534
16:05 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:28:33; punkman: ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html
16:05 decimation I find the magic box unneeded when I can get rsa signed time from a variety of places via ntp
16:05 ascii_field trinque: who will encode? what time ?
16:05 ascii_field back to a magic public key a la gavin ?
16:06 ascii_field decimation: the point is that these 'places' are central points of failure, and are even now controlled by the enemy
16:06 decimation not really, nearly every non-orc (and some orc) governments and institutions have ntp
16:06 ascii_field the point i've been trying to make is ~not~ 'let's all go eat our pistols' but that the entire fiction of political time is poisonous when applied to bitcoin
16:06 decimation not sure about the signed part though, need to look into that
16:07 mircea_popescu ascii_field yeh
16:07 ascii_field decimation: there is no ability to authenticate what you get from ntp connection
16:07 trinque ascii_field: yeah, I think that is the only possible way to avoid having a magic central something
16:07 punkman you can't have bitcoin without human time. meat rots.
16:07 trinque having bitcoin disregard time, which I'm sure has all kinds of implications around when you may consider a given block valid
16:07 decimation you can sign time with rsa in ntp http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm
16:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgToKN )
16:08 ascii_field decimation: who gets to sign ?
16:08 trinque bitcoin jesus of course
16:08 ascii_field hitler? me? mircea_popescu?
16:08 decimation sure
16:08 ascii_field any and all choices are terrible
16:08 decimation if they all give the same time, they are probably not lying
16:08 ascii_field if they all give the same time, it is probably because hitler killed the others and took their keys
16:08 trinque is the problem reducible to "all pogos agree on the time" ?
16:08 ascii_field trinque: within +/- 2h
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29346 @ 0.00055261 = 16.2169 BTC [-]
16:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189615 << eh get out.
16:09 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:46; ascii_field: they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to
16:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189613 << quite exactly.
16:09 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:35; ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested.
16:10 trinque ascii_field: and then going down that route, anyone can diddle his pogo soon as it's in hand
16:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189646 < nah
16:10 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:00:13; ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number?
16:10 ascii_field ^ see log. i determined that it is entirely on account of epoch time
16:11 ascii_field trinque: adjusting anything whatsoever on pogo is nontrivial for a 'civilian'
16:11 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189680 <<< i think so
16:11 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:10:06; punkman: is this a first?
16:12 punkman mazel tov
16:13 trinque so this decentralized ledger thing requires centralized time
16:13 trinque fascinating.
16:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189717 << i have no idea why the 2nd set would even exist.
16:13 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:27:32; ascii_field: jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist
16:13 mircea_popescu why is pogo connecting to anything but good nodes again ?
16:13 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:13 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
16:14 kakobrekla !up ascii_field
16:14 ascii_field mircea_popescu: there is presently no mechanism for 'pull blocks ONLY FROM THESE'
16:14 ascii_field there is only 'addnode' and 'connect'
16:14 mircea_popescu myeah.
16:14 ascii_field the latter turns the node into a kind of boat anchor while active
16:14 ascii_field (no one can connect TO it)
16:14 mircea_popescu well...
16:14 ascii_field the former treats the added ip as equal in status to those dug up from dirt
16:14 ascii_field but in ~both~ cases there is no protection from mitm
16:15 trinque anybody ever looked at tinc as a starting place for a gossipd?
16:15 trinque does p2p networking over RSA keys
16:16 ascii_field author in wot ?
16:16 decimation time is already centralized in the sense that we are all spinning on the same planet
16:16 ascii_field and why would i want to bridge nets
16:16 decimation the question is merely 'who do you trust to tell you the correct phase of rotation'
16:17 punkman http://www.tinc-vpn.org/documentation-1.1/Libraries.html#Libraries uses openssl
16:17 assbot tinc Manual: Libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgUvtT )
16:17 ascii_field punkman: ~barf~
16:17 trinque kinda like that bitcoin thing
16:18 trinque or if the set of things which exist does not contain the thing desired, there you have it.
16:18 punkman what if you could do like tlsdate over ssh, you just dial random IPs at ssh port, get buncha timestamps
16:19 ascii_field punkman: 'pogo' has no rng...
16:19 mike_c block hash is rng
16:19 ascii_field so doing anything 'randomly' will be problematic.
16:19 ascii_field mike_c: when you have no blocks ?
16:19 ascii_field (upon unboxing)
16:20 mike_c i was trying to think of some way to use the block hash to determine "who" you ask for timestamps, but the list of "who" is unknowable/proveable.. ends up in the same place.
16:20 mike_c time sucks.
16:20 ascii_field mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem.
16:21 ascii_field 'fried ice'
16:21 punkman fried ice cream is a thing
16:21 trinque ascii_field: is it +/- 2hrs or is it no more than 2hrs in the future?
16:21 decimation if lizard hitler pwn's everyone's ntp servers, I think we all have bigger problems than block time epoch in bitcoin
16:21 trinque you can of course accept a block from the past
16:21 ascii_field decimation: it isn't an 'if'
16:21 trinque why does this matter?
16:21 ascii_field this is who owns them ~now~
16:22 ascii_field because right now, hitler has, essentially, a button that makes just about the whole btc network shit its pants
16:22 trinque say I though a block from last year at your node, I don't see why it would matter that your clock is set to tomorrow
16:22 ascii_field i would like this to ~not~ be the case
16:22 mike_c but if they muck with ntp they'll break themselves too
16:22 trinque vs if you are set to yesterday and I give you a block from tomorrow
16:22 decimation ascii_field: but that would come at the cost of fucking *all clocks for all users*
16:23 ascii_field decimation: other users might not even notice
16:23 ascii_field if it is done briefly
16:23 ascii_field they will get apologies and a coupon for free blowjob at community whorehouse
16:23 mike_c markets break over the stupid leap second
16:23 decimation converable to dollars?
16:23 ascii_field zimbabwe dollars
16:23 decimation essentially there isn't such a thing as p2p time
16:24 decimation for whatever reason nobody has thought to scratch that itch
16:24 ascii_field only in so far as proof-of-work can be used
16:24 ascii_field is there a notion of p2p time.
16:24 decimation right, but that requires a trusted way to ask a bitcoind "what's the timestamp of the last verified block'
16:25 decimation in the existing network, I suspect 99% of the miners are using ntpd traceable to some usg organ
16:25 ascii_field and the 1% - .cn
16:25 decimation aye
16:25 decimation who knew that we needed a #b-a astronomer
16:26 trinque anyone clear on whether it's +/- 2hrs or what I said?
16:26 ascii_field but we already established that miners are clinically retarded
16:26 * trinque goes to inspect the function which does this
16:26 decimation ascii_field: I wonder if satoshi thought that these nodes would be anonymous?
16:26 decimation rather than the blatent centralizing points that they actually are?
16:27 mircea_popescu he thought that everyone will run one and so it'll be too noisy to follow them.
16:27 mircea_popescu because humanity is humanitarian and similar windows-powered bullshit.
16:27 ascii_field ^^
16:28 decimation yeah, seems legit
16:28 * decimation puts 'celesial navigation' on the library list
16:28 ascii_field did nobody ever discuss the time thing? i have trouble believing this
16:28 mircea_popescu <mike_c> markets break over the stupid leap second << no they don't.
16:29 decimation it's come up a couple of times here, but not in the context of the 2h epoch
16:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189820 << well, and some "follow this text file with instructions for the software part". but yes.
16:31 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:53:03; ascii_field: right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack'
16:31 mircea_popescu and this is mportant.
16:31 ascii_field aha
16:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189839 << well done ty.
16:32 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:56:14; danielpbarron: jurov mircea_popescu sent
16:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189862 << you know there COULD be something here.
16:34 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:59:08; trinque: some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions?
16:34 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189541 << pretty much nada.
16:34 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:30:13; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character?
16:34 mircea_popescu just as long as we put THE REAL TIME as a txn in every block, pogos can be fine
16:34 ascii_field mircea_popescu: my objection was 'uses magic key'
16:34 mircea_popescu so it does. there's no way out,.
16:34 pete_dushenski "6 July 04:00: A new fork occurred starting 5 July at 21:30 with three blocks before the valid chain again became the strongest chain."
16:34 ascii_field there's gotta be a way out.
16:35 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski will the lulz never cease.
16:35 ascii_field l0l!!
16:35 pete_dushenski "Reports that the situation has passed are not correct. Please continue to wait 30 more confirmations than you usually would wait before accepting a transaction."
16:35 trinque the message processing story in bitcoin is a shitshow
16:35 * trinque digs further
16:35 mircea_popescu very useful, this network that takes 5 hours to confirm txn
16:35 pete_dushenski please to see "list of forks" https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining#list-of-forks
16:35 assbot Some Miners Generating Invalid Blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWwpR )
16:35 mircea_popescu thanks power rangers!
16:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055396 = 4.3209 BTC [+]
16:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189880 << this isn't possible.
16:36 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 20:03:11; ascii_field: probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely
16:36 pete_dushenski *megazord tips his cap*
16:36 trinque maybe I'm an idiot, but I feel like you only get so many if statements per function..
16:37 ascii_field mircea_popescu: why so certain that impossible ?
16:37 trinque "disconnect if we connected to ourself" << LOL
16:37 mircea_popescu because bitcoin is secured by mining which happens irl and the difficulty of mining is set on the basis of irl entropy.
16:37 trinque put your dick down, bitcoin
16:37 mircea_popescu this is not a fully virtual system
16:38 ascii_field why couldn't the difficulty be set based on accumulated work ?
16:38 pete_dushenski http://dorkshelf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2014/05/600-power-rangers-comic-cluckster.png << eerily relevant : "time to wipe smile off that goofy clock's face"
16:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWM8k )
16:38 mircea_popescu nope
16:38 ascii_field (yes, it would end up climbing monotonically...)
16:38 mircea_popescu it wouldn't make any further sense.
16:38 ascii_field the reward could still follow the same asymptotic
16:39 ascii_field assuming that nuclear war doesn't send us back to cpu mining
16:41 ascii_field 'Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining...' << can haz network without 50% hash power belonging to diagnosable retarded folks plz ??!!
16:41 decimation does SPV mining really give you that much 'edge'? It seems dubious to me
16:42 ascii_field as (i think it was) mircea_popescu pointed out, it looks like the miners have not been sufficiently darwined yet
16:42 jurov estimated time to fully verify a block is 20 seconds
16:42 ascii_field and need a couplea catastrophic megadeaths
16:42 jurov ;;calc 20/600
16:42 gribble 0.0333333333333
16:42 ascii_field to help their collective iq move into the double digits at least
16:42 jurov 3% advantage
16:43 pete_dushenski huge.
16:43 ascii_field jurov: let me guess, nobody's written a multicore verifier ?
16:43 trinque ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/main.cpp.gcov.html << line #1265 appears to check for being in the future, not past
16:43 jurov even if multicore, there's still i/o
16:43 trinque so why can't my node's time just be far-future?
16:43 ascii_field jurov: on my measurements, it's almost entirely cpu-bound
16:43 trinque is this a worthwhile experiment?
16:43 ascii_field trinque: because then you can be attacked in various ways
16:44 decimation I wonder if someone could make money by 'brokering' txns on behalf of miners
16:44 trinque ascii_field: making me eat lots of invalid blocks?
16:44 ascii_field http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html ( linked earlier )
16:44 assbot culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ezxqkc )
16:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22280 @ 0.00053981 = 12.027 BTC [-] {2}
16:44 trinque !up ascii_field
16:45 ascii_field incidentally, does anyone else suspect that cn miners, on account of their microscopic profit margins, are ripe for usgization ?
16:46 ascii_field 'you can make engineer's wages doing what you're doing. or you can do exactly same thing, but use spv and give us root, and your swiss account will grow by 100k/mo.'
16:46 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-07-2015#1187499 << see also
16:46 assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 22:28:31; mircea_popescu: anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners.
16:48 mircea_popescu of course they are.
16:50 ascii_field these folks' time horizon is perhaps... 2 weeks long ?
16:50 ascii_field i suppose all the 'proper confucians' with millenium-long time cocks are employed as colonels in pla or whatnot
16:50 ascii_field and not mining
16:51 ascii_field seems like collectively chinese see bitcoin the same way they saw crimea
16:51 ascii_field a place to farm to death, to the bedrock
16:51 ascii_field and leave
16:51 ascii_field like locusts
16:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00052881 = 18.2968 BTC [-]
16:53 pete_dushenski "ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel 4.2 rc1"
16:53 ascii_field go read, l0l
16:53 pete_dushenski "Most of those new lines of code come from “the new amd gpu register description header”, code that Torvalds says comprises “41 per cent of the entire patch” and has created a “... somewhat odd situation where a single driver is about half of the whole rc1 in number of lines.”"
16:53 ascii_field (probably mostly mods)
16:54 mircea_popescu ascii_field in fairness that's how they saw china too
16:54 ascii_field aha
16:54 mircea_popescu which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis
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16:54 ascii_field who hasn't seen the rivers (literally) of toxic sludge
16:55 ascii_field the 'gutter oil' restaurants, etc
16:57 punkman https://www.bitpremier.com/5-real-estate/1570-luxury-villa-greece-kalamata-4025-sqm
16:57 assbot BitPremier — Luxury Villa, Kalamata, Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgYNS6 )
16:59 punkman I don't even want to know how much tax the owner is paying on that
17:03 mircea_popescu ascii_field gotta be a lot of magic numbers
17:09 thestringpuller d00d. why do I have to wait 30 confirmations?!?
17:11 punkman "We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam"
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17:11 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rh0teo )
17:11 thestringpuller ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node?
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17:13 scoopbot_revived Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis Resigns in Failure http://qntra.net/2015/07/greek-finance-minister-varoufakis-resigns-in-failure/
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45981 @ 0.00051916 = 23.8715 BTC [-]
17:16 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3852 @ 0.00051916 = 1.9998 BTC [-]
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14428 @ 0.00051911 = 7.4897 BTC [-]
17:22 punkman pete_dushenski: "in which Greek citizens refused to accept austerity measures" in case it wasn't clear, the referendum question was "do you like this deal? answer yes or no". and the next deal won't be much different either.
17:22 pete_dushenski i imagine you're right
17:23 pete_dushenski all that 'dignity' and yet no bread on the table
17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051916 = 8.6181 BTC [+]
17:37 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo seems that the "yanis gaming industry" link was added twice in the same (3rd) paragraph
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59917 @ 0.00051916 = 31.1065 BTC [+] {2}
17:42 BingoBoingo Ah
17:42 BingoBoingo it works
17:45 punkman 6th or 7th finance minister in 5 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_Tsakalotos
17:45 assbot Euclid Tsakalotos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQwmnf )
17:46 punkman ;;ticker
17:46 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 274.96, Best ask: 274.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 274.98, 24 hour volume: 56638.18757788, 24 hour low: 267.33, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None
17:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7120 @ 0.00052881 = 3.7651 BTC [+]
17:46 punkman ;;ba,bull
17:46 gribble Error: "ba,bull" is not a valid command.
17:46 punkman ;;bc,bull
17:46 gribble Next Price Estimate: 302.489 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 24 seconds
17:48 BingoBoingo ;;bc,bear
17:48 gribble Next Price Estimate: 219.968 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | It's tanking!
17:51 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190105 << plz see today's log
17:51 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:18; thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node?
17:51 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190103 << already censored
17:51 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:03; punkman: "We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam"
17:53 ascii_field speaking of which, i've often thought of adding an 'i know a private key!' box to phuctor
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053521 = 4.8169 BTC [+]
17:54 punkman ascii_field: maybe better place for that in new keyserver?
17:55 pete_dushenski ;;nethash
17:55 gribble 396177655.034
17:55 pete_dushenski c'mon 400 !
18:02 BingoBoingo stator up to 248926
18:05 mod6 333k+
18:05 ascii_field punkman: keyserver is presumably for use as a keyserver, rather than place to hang the severed heads of pwned folks ?
18:07 ascii_field incidentally, for anyone who missed, the public node is working and synced
18:07 ascii_field and go, connect to it.
18:07 ascii_field 195.211.154.159
18:10 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu please consider posting your blkxxxx which encompass the two most recent forks
18:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:10 ascii_field i would like to compare it with mine.
18:13 BingoBoingo Ah, public node has maxversion
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18:13 shinohai I am *so close* to 350k
18:18 TomServo Ahoy all, just wanted to pass long: my 0.5.3 node is humming along, currently reporting blockheight 364171.
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18:18 TomServo If that's of any significance.
18:21 BingoBoingo cool
18:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5118 @ 0.00053983 = 2.7628 BTC [+]
18:31 shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg0;boardseen#new
18:31 assbot HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5bYeL )
18:31 shinohai ^ 10 BTC is steep for a domain name, but I like it
18:34 kakobrekla here i replied https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg11808524#msg11808524
18:34 assbot HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk5WAt )
18:34 pete_dushenski "CoinbaseAdrian 30 points an hour ago* : Sorry guys, we're looking into this. It appears to be an issue with our network provider (Cloudflare). We have an urgent ticket open with them and I'll update here with any details." << response to coinbase being offline
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18:36 danielpbarron ;;later tell asciilifeform I get a segmentation fault http://danielpbarron.com/blkcut.txt
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18:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk6aHJ )
18:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12608 @ 0.00051911 = 6.5449 BTC [-] {2}
18:48 pete_dushenski http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cbuq1/im_the_author_of_the_bitcoin_revolution_an/ << oh travis tequilahead, how the mighty "thought leader" has fallen. you've stumbled from writing on your own blog to hacking up scamdesk, and now all the way down to the very bottom of the barrel with reddit. all in the course of, what, 2 weeks ?
18:48 assbot I'm the author of The Bitcoin Revolution: An Internet of Money and founder of Diginomics, Ask Me Anything! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5e12x )
18:50 pete_dushenski "SuperSecretTech: How many bitcoin do you own?" TravisPatron: Not as many as I would like."
18:50 pete_dushenski and so it will always be, travis. so it will always be.
18:51 pete_dushenski looking forward to seeing tequilahead becoming the 8th greek finance minister in 5 years.
18:51 pete_dushenski they deserve each other.
18:51 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189808 << can attest to this having opened 12 in a row today, although it goes sorta smoothly once you get the hang of it
18:51 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:51:35; ascii_field: just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together
18:52 TomServo pete_dushenski: Didja find a way to boot OpenBSD on the edgerouter from USB or are you using the nfs boot option?
18:53 pete_dushenski TomServo i found another computer with a serial port that actually talked to the serial cable i have. the usb adapter i bought was b0rked.
18:54 pete_dushenski using just rj45 to db9
18:56 TomServo But last I read booting OpenBSD required booting over the network, rather than install on the USB drive due to lack of a USB driver
19:00 pete_dushenski first you unplug the usb drive from inside the edgerouter, plug it into your computer, install openbsd on it, unpack it, reinstall the drive in the edgerouter, establish a serial connection, and start talking.
19:01 pete_dushenski !up aabtc
19:01 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/06/us-boston-bombings-trial-idUSKCN0PG26R20150706 << "death to america" y'know... unless you wanna appeal your death sentence
19:01 assbot Boston Marathon bomber files motion seeking new trial| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk7MBn )
19:01 trinque fuck that kid.
19:03 TomServo pete_dushenski: Ah cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks.
19:04 pete_dushenski np!
19:04 * pete_dushenski is pleased that his amateurishness is of use to anyone ever.
19:05 pete_dushenski or i should say, my tragedishness
19:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00052669 = 7.9004 BTC [+]
19:09 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Win response http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/trading/uks-fca-issues-warning-against-bitcoin-brokers-bit4x-and-venetfx/
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19:09 assbot UK’s FCA Issues Warning Against Bitcoin Brokers Bit4X and VenetFX | Finance Magnates ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5gnhI )
19:10 kakobrekla thats superold
19:11 kakobrekla but yeah, wouldnt it?
19:11 pete_dushenski you'd think so.
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00052008 = 10.6356 BTC [-]
19:21 danielpbarron !up slikers
19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00052669 = 18.2761 BTC [+]
19:23 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram
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19:23 assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 11:33:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM
19:26 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188174 << it's a +1 ! those usually come with "details" like "fresh blood"
19:26 assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 12:18:42; mats: too light on actual details imo
19:30 decimation pete_dushenski: I thought that openbsd didn't support the usb storage driver for edgerouter
19:31 decimation if you are saying otherwise than that is good
19:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25884 @ 0.00052669 = 13.6328 BTC [+]
19:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190162 << please consider modifying the proggy to print running block count, so i can try to replicate
19:38 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 22:36:48; danielpbarron: ;;later tell asciilifeform I get a segmentation fault http://danielpbarron.com/blkcut.txt
19:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190196 << it is very, very easy to use almost arbitrarily slow disk if you have ram for the kernel to cache it with
19:39 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 23:23:15; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram
19:40 asciilifeform on pogo we very much have no such thing
19:40 asciilifeform need pretty much 100% of ram for logic
19:40 asciilifeform which is why i'd like to banish the block index to disk. so that the 128m of ram can be freed up to cache disk ~as required~
19:41 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i did my 'edgerouter' by building on pc and copying to the stick, yes
19:42 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190150 << not sure if this is technically correct - there is, i think, room for another leading '9' !
19:42 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 22:13:22; BingoBoingo: Ah, public node has maxversion
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34133 @ 0.00052669 = 17.9775 BTC [+]
19:44 asciilifeform http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/22/us-usa-new-york-parachute-idUSKBN0P229M20150622 << mega-l0l
19:44 assbot Three men convicted in parachute jump from New York's 1 World Trade Center| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k8Ur )
19:45 asciilifeform http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/30/us-usa-maryland-swing-idUSKCN0PA2XC20150630 << moar l0l
19:45 assbot Death of Maryland boy pushed in swing for three days ruled homicide| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5keLE )
19:48 scoopbot_revived Another Post BIP 66 Fork Dies after 3 Blocks http://qntra.net/2015/07/another-post-bip-66-fork-dies-after-3-blocks/
19:50 BingoBoingo ^ Hypothesis on one resolution path posited
19:54 trinque asciilifeform: #2 sounds like another case of bad psych meds
19:55 coderwill definitely not funny
20:02 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/0A0tU
20:02 assbot its_bitney_bitch comments on How far behind are we due to the "stress test"? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5m3Z9 )
20:02 pete_dushenski decimation took some fiddling but i made it happen :)
20:04 decimation pete_dushenski: ah that's good news
20:05 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cd4nd/unless_all_major_miners_begin_mining_with_fully/
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20:05 assbot Unless all major miners begin mining with fully validating node software... users of the latest versions of "Bitcoin Core" are at risk of finding themselves Altcoiners : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiHTl5 )
20:05 decimation now the question is: how bad is the routing performance
20:05 pete_dushenski decimation that's still tbd on my end. perhaps asciilifeform can comment ?
20:05 asciilifeform wai wut
20:05 asciilifeform comment on what
20:06 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo bahahhaa omfg that's sweet.
20:06 pete_dushenski asciilifeform edgerouter routing performance
20:06 decimation running openbsd. I thought ascii had been using netbs
20:07 asciilifeform freebsd
20:07 decimation ah
20:07 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo "The second fork persisted from 21:50 through to 23:40 on July 5th, 2015" << should include blockheight, neh ?
20:07 decimation given the proprietary kernel used by the edgerouter in its linux variant
20:07 pete_dushenski decimation aha. my bsd mistake
20:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19488 @ 0.00052093 = 10.1519 BTC [-]
20:07 asciilifeform routes at something quite like line speed;
20:08 asciilifeform 100% uptime since i first plugged it in
20:08 asciilifeform ditto for their radio 'ufo', which i bitched about but then got 'openwrt' running on it
20:08 decimation interesting. I didn't see any updates on openbsd saying that the nfs turd was no longer needed
20:08 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Haven't seen people talking blockheight. Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams of blockheight as "canonical" measure of time
20:08 decimation pete_dushenski: I assume you are still using the stock uboot which ascii suspects?
20:09 decimation unfortunately blockheight is only a solid concept in retrospect
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20:09 asciilifeform chainph0rk never prospers, for the reason, that if it prospers, none dare call it treason (tm) (r)
20:09 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo hm. ya. fair nuff.
20:10 decimation asciilifeform: one could verify that one has the correct time by observing occultations
20:10 asciilifeform ?
20:10 decimation of the moon and other bodies http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/iotandx.htm
20:10 assbot IOTA Main Table of Contents ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiJ2cy )
20:10 pete_dushenski decimation stock uboot ? << me thinks so, yes.
20:10 asciilifeform decimation: my pogo didn't come with a gimbal telescope; did yours ?
20:10 decimation watching bodies pass in front of other bodies
20:11 decimation no, but the question is: who do you trust to tell you the time?
20:11 asciilifeform entirely separate problem from the one we have
20:11 decimation time (for the moment) still derived from the earth's rotation around the sun (and date by its orbit)
20:11 decimation err rotation about its axis I mean
20:12 asciilifeform epoch time is more related to cesium time
20:12 asciilifeform (which is the actual iso std)
20:12 decimation sure but that's why we have leap seconds
20:12 * asciilifeform is aware of the 'leap second' bullshit
20:13 decimation point being, someone derives time (the iers) from astronomy, sets the cesium, and broadcasts it
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20:13 asciilifeform unrelated: folks competing for mircea_popescu's 1 btc prize for therealbitcoin callgraph can strike 'egypt' utility off the list. it is a worthless pile of shit, which produces worthless piles of shit (at least for cpp proggy)
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20:13 asciilifeform the other thing is that we DON'T NEED A DYNAMIC CALLGRAPH FOR ANYTHING !!!!
20:13 asciilifeform at least ~i~ don't
20:14 asciilifeform which means that 'gprof' callgraph is out
20:14 decimation probably valgrind 'callgrind' too
20:14 asciilifeform as is kcachegrind, openpat, amd's codeanalyst, and makeppgraph.
20:14 asciilifeform leaving - afaik - NOTHING at all.
20:15 decimation note that there are plenty of tools that would work for C
20:15 decimation not for C++
20:15 asciilifeform useless here
20:15 asciilifeform aha
20:15 decimation another reason why C++ sucks
20:15 asciilifeform i can't use a graph which contains munged names or misses virtual functions.
20:15 asciilifeform or, in the case of dynamic graphs, may omit some corner case which didn't get hit
20:16 asciilifeform dynamic graphs are useful for certain kinds of work, but is more or less the opposite of what i need here.
20:16 decimation the virtual functions thing probably eliminates all halfass attempts to use a C based-tool
20:16 asciilifeform sure do.
20:16 asciilifeform i just tried 'egypt'
20:17 asciilifeform total waste of time.
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20:17 asciilifeform (for this reason)
20:17 decimation asciilifeform: one would think the compiler writers would need such a thing
20:17 asciilifeform why?
20:17 decimation To verify correctness?
20:17 asciilifeform i mean, yes, gcc turns cpp into an ast
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00052034 = 2.1594 BTC [-] {2}
20:18 asciilifeform but this functionality is deliberately not brought out to 'libraryizable' form, for reasons discussed in earlier threads re: rms
20:18 decimation what about clang? I thought stuff like this was the 'reason' it was built
20:19 asciilifeform anybody got a clang build?
20:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ?
20:19 asciilifeform phf ?
20:19 asciilifeform http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15458738/create-a-call-graph-for-a-file-with-clang
20:19 assbot graphviz - Create a call graph for a file with clang - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5oriF )
20:20 decimation asciilifeform: what about http://scottmcpeak.com/elkhound/sources/elsa/index.html
20:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5oDhS )
20:21 decimation " Interesting in that virtual inheritance is represented properly; for example in/std/3.4.5.cc yields 3.4.5.png. "
20:21 asciilifeform i don't see call graph...
20:21 asciilifeform only #include graph
20:21 asciilifeform and inheritance graph
20:21 asciilifeform neither of which is useful to me
20:22 asciilifeform and before anybody asks,
20:23 asciilifeform i am definitely not interested in the output of any proprietary, closed (esp. winblowz) proggy that produces c++ callgraphs
20:23 asciilifeform because i won't be running it.
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20:24 decimation it's possible that something like this does it http://www.semanticdesigns.com/Products/DMS/DMSToolkit.html
20:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p5g0 )
20:24 decimation for $$$
20:24 asciilifeform decimation: please see above!
20:24 decimation yeah.
20:24 trinque clang looks like it might be the thing
20:24 decimation but all you want is a chart
20:24 decimation someone else can do the dirty work
20:24 asciilifeform no
20:24 asciilifeform i want a chart that i can regenerate.
20:24 decimation ah.
20:24 asciilifeform on demand.
20:27 asciilifeform thought about using the output of 'lxr'
20:27 asciilifeform but then learned that it is retarded
20:27 * trinque cooks his balls recompiling llvm
20:27 asciilifeform and unable to distinguish between functions of same name in different classes
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20:27 asciilifeform (when listing its 'who calls')
20:28 asciilifeform the chart ~must~ be semantically correct. this is not negotiable
20:28 asciilifeform (one which is not, is worse than useless)
20:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052414 = 5.9752 BTC [+]
20:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00052004 = 21.0616 BTC [-] {2}
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19995 @ 0.00052414 = 10.4802 BTC [+]
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21:14 mats https://twitter.com/w3bd3vil/status/618168863708962816
21:17 trinque mats: and so nice of google to ship that with their browser
21:17 mats the exploit is interesting
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00051884 = 23.7888 BTC [-] {3}
21:28 asciilifeform mats: tried it on the non-winblowz one ?
21:30 mats https://twitter.com/GammaGroupPR/status/617937092497178624 someone's taking credit for FinFisher and HT
21:30 asciilifeform run moar winblowz!
21:30 mats nope
21:31 asciilifeform in other nyooz that you will never read in english,
21:31 asciilifeform http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/07/06/022 << russian member of parliament busted, had 400 kg (!) of currency
21:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP1i9u )
21:32 asciilifeform nm, 100
21:32 mats what denomination notes?
21:32 asciilifeform 400 m rubles (about 7 mn in u.s.)
21:33 asciilifeform !up nottooshitty
21:33 nottooshitty translation?
21:34 trinque ^ was going to ask next "which currency"
21:34 asciilifeform the bugger was an infamous 'moralist'
21:34 asciilifeform tried to suppress abortion, even (a laughable nonstarter in ru) and 'fight alcoholism', etc, etc.
21:35 asciilifeform the dough was found in bank boxes, wouldn't even fit in the vault, was stored all over the place
21:35 mats asciilifeform: how am i to submit keys to phuctor without an api for the keyserver? just post?
21:35 asciilifeform mats: correct
21:35 asciilifeform no api needed
21:35 asciilifeform it takes a standard POST
21:35 mats am i supposed to parse the html or something for a response?
21:35 mats or just piss into the void
21:35 asciilifeform there can be no useful immediate response
21:36 asciilifeform thinkaboutit
21:36 mats yeah i should know better
21:36 asciilifeform so apparently they had to take the bank by storm.
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21:36 trinque 200 Eaten
21:37 asciilifeform eventually opened with battering ram
21:38 * funkenstein_ can't wait to buy USD by the kilogram
21:39 asciilifeform http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/07/06/192 << in unrelated nyooz, ru tu-95 bombers helped to celebrate '4th of july' in alaska & california, l0l
21:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIGkLC )
21:39 asciilifeform putin, is claimed, was actually on the phone with obama, congratulating, while they buzzed the coast
21:40 mats lol
21:40 trinque that's style
21:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00052788 = 22.8572 BTC [+] {4}
21:45 asciilifeform https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/195.211.154.159-8333 << lulz
21:45 assbot 195.211.154.159:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIH57z )
21:48 asciilifeform https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Ender:3.14.15.94 << other lulz (not mine)
21:48 assbot Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP2lX5 )
21:49 asciilifeform apparently we don't even ~have~ a 'useragent' string in 0.5.x
21:49 asciilifeform somehow i missed this, l0l
21:49 asciilifeform who wants to make one up - can!
21:49 nottooshitty put time on it
21:49 asciilifeform nottooshitty: read the thread. it doesn't matter where you put it - it can't be believed
21:50 nottooshitty i know
21:50 asciilifeform we are, apparently, the #43 '- (1)'
21:51 asciilifeform in the list
21:51 asciilifeform on account of being the only node on the planet that passes the idiots' 70001 filter while ~not having a useragent string~
21:52 asciilifeform https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/UMD-Coinscope:0.0 << node mentioned much earlier, the one run by the umd dept. of sc4mz4tr0n1cs
21:52 assbot Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP2NEA )
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33383 @ 0.00053195 = 17.7581 BTC [+] {2}
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19927 @ 0.00053341 = 10.6293 BTC [+] {2}
22:01 asciilifeform https://www.btko.in << anyone ever heard of'em ?
22:01 assbot BTKO.in ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIJ8IO )
22:01 asciilifeform advertised in a node userid, '/btko.in:0.11.99/ (70002)'
22:02 nottooshitty storm??
22:03 asciilifeform idk
22:04 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams << twas a good dream
22:06 asciilifeform waiwut
22:07 thestringpuller ^- that directed at me?
22:07 asciilifeform or BingoBoingo
22:07 asciilifeform what was the ruined dream
22:07 thestringpuller blockheight as canonical measure of time
22:07 asciilifeform it was never a measure of time
22:08 asciilifeform because, as mircea_popescu explained earlier, difficulty is defined in relation to wall time
22:11 asciilifeform for the record, i think this design is asinine
22:11 asciilifeform difficulty oughta have been defined in relation to the difficulty of the last solved block, solely.
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22:12 asciilifeform yes, this means that martians can land, mine the remaining blocks in five minutes, and leave earth a smoking and bitcoinless crater
22:12 asciilifeform to which i say mircea_popescu's sacramental 'don't be poor'
22:12 asciilifeform do it to mars before mars - to us!
22:13 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you make it sound like prison rape...
22:15 asciilifeform i really fail to grasp for what, precisely, it is, that we need the possibility of falling difficulty.
22:15 mats any folks very familiar with postgresql in here
22:15 mats id like to know how well caching is supported
22:16 thestringpuller mats: you ever use memcache?
22:16 mats i'm exploring the option of _not_ using additional things like redis or memcache
22:17 trinque what are you caching?
22:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00053474 = 9.358 BTC [+] {2}
22:17 thestringpuller oh well, never seena stack that's operated that way in production. would be interestig in what you come up with.
22:17 trinque mats: depending on the situation, maybe a materialized view is called for
22:17 mats key db
22:18 thestringpuller asciilifeform: if difficulty always goes up what happens in "nuke scenario"?
22:18 trinque mats: in my experience postgresql can do anything those other piles of shit can
22:18 trinque and often just as fast or faster
22:18 asciilifeform (in gedankenexperiment above, 'mine the remaining blocks' oughta be understood to mean 'mine all the blocks with substantial blockreward')
22:19 asciilifeform thestringpuller: in that scenario, bitcoin either dies with the last remaining man, or the beloved 'hardfork'.
22:19 trinque mats: what in particular is slow?
22:20 asciilifeform thestringpuller: or the survivors simply sign, on parchment, with their privkeys, ..., etc
22:20 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this makes next block work a non obtainable resource tho?
22:21 asciilifeform the thing barely survives today, much less ww3
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22:21 mats trinque: spec calls for displaying stats, which would probably require caching because pgsql reads from disk otherwise
22:21 asciilifeform incidentally, today i invented (hypothetical) very cheap 'clock': an sram with a beta source glued on top
22:22 asciilifeform (from, say, a smoke detector)
22:22 asciilifeform though one would probably prefer something with shorter halflife
22:22 mats depending how large db gets i would expect io to get choked
22:22 trinque mats: could write a view that generates your stats, then a materialized view which is refreshed at an interval with "refresh materialized view" or w/e it is
22:22 trinque I like this approach because there's both an interface that is "fast" and also one that is accurate
22:23 thestringpuller asciilifeform: it is seemingly surviving usgavination attempts.
22:25 mats trinque, ok to pm?
22:26 trinque sure
22:26 asciilifeform thestringpuller: unless i seriously misunderstand, 50%+ of the hash rate belongs to folks ~who aren't even running bitcoin~ but a toystore version
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22:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00053216 = 2.9269 BTC [-]
22:34 asciilifeform http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3330352/post179877748 << historical. sov. sub. close-ups of internals.
22:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJpbxH )
22:34 asciilifeform 1970-1998
22:34 asciilifeform interesting because traditional (diesel) motor.
22:35 asciilifeform as in ww2.
22:35 asciilifeform linked mainly on account of this http://russos.ru/img/trip/2009-kolskiy/b440-22.jpg mechanical computer.
22:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJphVX )
22:39 asciilifeform !up Vexual
22:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00053423 = 27.0855 BTC [+] {2}
22:45 mats http://www.pcworld.com/article/2942267/why-ubuntu-plans-to-replace-traditional-linux-packages-with-something-better.html
22:45 assbot Why Ubuntu plans to replace traditional Linux packages with something better | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJqEnF )
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22:47 decimation asciilifeform: no pictures of the radio room?
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22:49 asciilifeform ^ ??
22:49 decimation 00:00:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 << add lying schmucks to a degree not experienced since kindergarten on pirate island. the
22:49 assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...
22:49 decimation f2pool admin's explanation is "we got the bad block from antpool, who we don't know how they got because they told us they only follow us"
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:00:40 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners
22:49 asciilifeform decimation: !!
22:49 decimation being dumb as bricks is essentially correct...
22:49 decimation
22:49 asciilifeform !!
22:49 decimation 00:01:03 mircea_popescu: because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own
22:49 decimation parallel universe.
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:01:17 mircea_popescu: i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it.
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:02:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187220 << so are they :D
22:49 assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:02:39 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:03:34 ben_vulpes: ohai punkman
22:49 decimation
22:49 decimation 00:05:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185652 << i really gotta post ak47.sh to the ml
22:49 assbot Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD
22:50 decimation
22:50 decimation 00:05:37 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD
22:50 decimation
22:50 decimation 00:06:24 mircea_popescu: "Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so,
22:50 asciilifeform !!
22:50 decimation several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far."
22:50 decimation
22:50 decimation 00:06:36 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars.
22:50 BingoBoingo Bouncer aimed in the wrond direction?
22:50 asciilifeform probably pushed wrong pedal
22:52 decimation alright, that's the end of my adventure with erc
22:53 trinque lol, I stopped using it myself when I dumped an email to my father in another channel
22:53 decimation I wasn't hitting anything other C-x b
22:54 decimation decided to shit web browser logs from another buffer into chan
22:54 trinque M-x do-everything-and-lock-up
22:56 asciilifeform save-lisp-and-die
22:57 decimation one wonders how shitty lisp machine that emacs is emulating gets into such a sad state
22:57 decimation I'm sure rms would blame my non gnu extension
22:58 trinque probably chafing at the emacs|other boundary
22:58 decimation yeah to be fair I'm running stator on this machine, and it only has 2gb ram
22:59 decimation yeah and erc runs inferior process
22:59 decimation anyway I abandoned irssi because I thought it couldn't handle unicode, but apparently it was my tmux
22:59 decimation шара́жка
22:59 trinque I haven't been able to see non-ascii since I put the weechat instance on obsd
23:00 trinque hm could be tmux in my case too
23:00 decimation asciilifeform: re: ru aircraft: http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-grounds-entire-su-24-fleet-fighter-jets-after-deadly-crash-near-sea-japan-1996897
23:00 assbot Russia Grounds Entire Su-24 Fleet Of Fighter Jets After Deadly Crash Near Sea Of Japan ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJshBP )
23:01 decimation yeah it turns out tmux is very picky about the terminal you are using when you create it
23:01 decimation plus you need to manipulate unicode options maybe
23:01 trinque yeah, it seemed pissed about my rxvt-unicode-256color when ssh'ing in
23:01 trinque copied over the termcap, which sort of helped
23:03 trinque hm I wonder if this tmux session actually predates copying the termcap
23:06 trinque and in fact, yes; it works now.
23:06 trinque шара́жка
23:06 trinque whatever that means
23:06 trinque :D
23:07 trinque !up Transisto2
23:08 trinque huh... then when disconnecting and reconnecting with tmux, gone.
23:08 trinque computers are hard
23:14 decimation it's 'sharashka' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharashka
23:14 assbot Sharashka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJu5uk )
23:19 decimation !up bagels7
23:20 bagels7 good morning, hwo do you do
23:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00052875 = 18.4005 BTC [-]
23:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00051761 = 21.7914 BTC [-]
23:26 mats how goes the money changing
23:27 bagels7 well I was into IT then I got a sign from god and went a different path, physical, mental and spiritual fitness. body/mind/spirit all well
23:29 asciilifeform !b 3
23:29 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VFDQZV.txt )
23:32 decimation lol
23:32 decimation !up Vexual
23:33 decimation http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/617/jew_basic.jpg < happy money changer
23:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJwi9h )
23:34 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.itworld.com/article/2944275/ad-fraud-trojan-updates-flash-player-so-that-other-malware-cant-get-in.html < lulzy trojan uses flash exploit and then helpfully updates flash after infection
23:34 assbot Ad fraud Trojan updates Flash Player so that other malware can't get in | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJwxkF )
23:34 Vexual ;;ticker
23:34 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.5, Best ask: 271.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 270.48, 24 hour volume: 54919.01843139, 24 hour low: 267.74, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None
23:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32494 @ 0.00051493 = 16.7321 BTC [-]
23:38 mats http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << news of your celebrity in .ar, bagels7
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23:38 assbot Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4fBL )
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00054157 = 26.6723 BTC [+] {3}
23:38 asciilifeform mats: i thought that was brendafdez
23:38 asciilifeform ;;seen brendafdez
23:38 gribble brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
23:38 mats oh mixed em up nvm
23:39 Vexual lol
23:41 Vexual it happens
23:42 decimation mats: bagels7 is the trans 'person'
23:42 asciilifeform so was brendafdez ?
23:42 asciilifeform hence, i think, the confusion
23:42 decimation heh
23:42 mats oops
23:42 decimation !up slikers
23:42 slikers ok
23:43 mats haro
23:43 decimation slikers: are you using ipv6
23:43 slikers nope
23:43 slikers what is issue ?
23:43 Vexual we chack and chack again
23:43 decimation I thought irccloud put your ip
23:43 decimation interesting
23:43 slikers nope
23:43 decimation what brings you here slikers
23:43 decimation !up maximian
23:46 Vexual ;;later tell cazala asx:ipo these kids had the melb free rent desks?
23:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:47 ben_vulpes punkman: i don't understand the point of your gpgdiddling link
23:47 Vexual 3 months became a heady meatwot?
23:49 Vexual \query gribz
23:50 Vexual ;;later tell cazzala ^^
23:50 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36532 @ 0.00051493 = 18.8114 BTC [-]
23:51 Vexual ;;seen naphex
23:51 gribble naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 10 hours, and 28 seconds ago: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/#/channel115/LovelyTaya enjoy xD
23:52 Vexual tincans
23:53 ben_vulpes <ascii_field> mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear.
23:53 assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:39:57; ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated.
23:54 asciilifeform well yes
23:54 ben_vulpes punkman: i think i see now
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00051493 = 4.0422 BTC [-]
23:54 ben_vulpes leastaways without a wholesale replacement of sync mechanism plus god only knows what else eventually.
23:55 Vexual time is hard
23:55 Vexual and soft
23:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: thread was about how bitcoin as it exists is very much designed around 'political time' being a knowable and generally agreed-on thing
23:56 ben_vulpes i begin to understand.
23:56 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/auth-ntp.cfm < apparently you need to sign up by post if you want to receive 'authenticated time service' from usg
23:56 assbot NIST Authenticated NTP Service ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti5JMe )
23:56 decimation plus you need a static ip
23:59 Vexual have you read celetitial vagigation yet?
23:59 decimation hehe
23:59 Vexual typo
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