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00:04 mod6 insane dipshit madlibs is right.
00:04 mod6 +1 for hanbot's "Narf" - pinky & the brain ref.
00:05 hanbot poit!
00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275850 @ 0.00026818 = 73.9775 BTC [-] {2}
00:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153550 @ 0.00027291 = 41.9053 BTC [+]
00:22 mod6 haha
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10786 @ 0.00026748 = 2.885 BTC [-]
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01:07 cazalla gee i got scammed at the nursery, sold a plant with DRM (PBR)
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219700 @ 0.00027421 = 60.2439 BTC [+] {3}
01:09 mircea_popescu take it back!
01:11 cazalla too late as i've already potted it up, but at least i learned about this plant breeders rights rubbish.. guess i'll have some cutting warez in a few years time
01:11 cazalla who would've thought you can have a cracked copy of a tree
01:12 mircea_popescu so this entire moot-Mallory Blair Greitzer thing reads a lot like, skank fucking raid leader for jools.
01:13 mircea_popescu which i think happens about 9k times a year, just, usually nobody outside of the guild forum gives a shit
01:15 cazalla meh cuckchan died long before that anyway
01:19 mircea_popescu anyway, i've had a decent chuckle reading the reports pushed by people scrambling to cope with my brusque, sudden, unexpected movements.
01:19 mircea_popescu to quote a random derp, "for instance - military strategy"
01:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135228 @ 0.00026526 = 35.8706 BTC [-] {3}
01:26 decimation heh "Blizzard Entertainment has banned ?a large number? of World of Warcraft accounts after finding that they were using bots, or ?third-party programs that automate gameplay? according to a company post. "
01:27 decimation rpgs are full of bots! the horror!
01:27 mircea_popescu lol
01:27 cazalla decimation, welcome to 10 years ago
01:28 cazalla i had a few extra accounts i used with wowglider to mine ore and herbs
01:28 decimation apparently they banned "a large number" of accounts http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
01:29 cazalla reads as the standard announcement they've been making for years now
01:29 decimation cazalla: I got to think thaw wow is losing popularity
01:29 decimation it would be interesting to know the actual revenue figures
01:29 cazalla the sub numbers are out there, it peaked like 5 years ago
01:30 cazalla i quit after wotlk but i was a day one nov 2004 player so..
01:30 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!
01:30 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 03:14:16; mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/
01:30 decimation you gotta think that at some point the thing flips and blizzard would welcome chinese farmers
01:30 asciilifeform so it -doesn't- run in constant space.
01:31 asciilifeform -nor- has any detectable (through the usual automatic means, e.g. valgrind) leaks.
01:31 cazalla decimation, they allow gold buying/seller for game time in recent months
01:31 asciilifeform mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill
01:32 cazalla they game is fucking long dead though.. it made everything fair so that all players are equal.. seriously.. why even bother playing an mmorpg then if i can't grief the fuck out of people with my rare sword and mount
01:32 asciilifeform incl., if you have it, a core dump
01:32 cazalla that game.. i swear i have brain damage from alcohol :\
01:32 asciilifeform this goes for anyone else who got oomkill with orphanage-thermonuke specifically, on a box with ad libitum ram
01:33 decimation asciilifeform: on another project I've been chasing an oomkill that happens ... when acpi is turned on
01:33 asciilifeform l0lwut
01:33 asciilifeform reliably?
01:34 decimation asciilifeform: absolutely
01:34 decimation I've still not gotten to the bottom of it, but my point is that the kernel could also be at fault
01:34 decimation and/or hardware batshit
01:35 asciilifeform decimation: take that machine out to the boonies and use for target practice.
01:35 decimation would love to
01:37 decimation asciilifeform: it's really hard to find detailed specs for all the shitty thin terms out there
01:38 asciilifeform decimation: mostly low-end p1s
01:38 asciilifeform of very little interest, even historical kind
01:38 asciilifeform and you won't find one with isa slot.
01:39 asciilifeform (before anyone asks, i fucking hate 'dosbox' emulator)
01:39 decimation why do you need isa??
01:39 decimation hehe yeah that makes sense
01:39 asciilifeform for the sb64 of course
01:39 decimation heh. I still remember my old soundblaster
01:39 decimation I think i trashed it years ago
01:39 decimation you can never get the timing right one emulators
01:40 asciilifeform it is theoretically possible to get the sound right. but never happened, and i doubt - ever will
01:40 * decimation remembers playing space quest on his 8088
01:40 decimation with - cga graphics
01:40 decimation I remember thinking as a kid 'why would you not always have the turbo button activated?'
01:41 asciilifeform decimation: 'turbo' on my old boxes, it turned out, just disabled l2 cache. the lamps lied to us.
01:41 cazalla did you have a keyboard lock on your tower? my old man tried that shit on me but some how i had the idea to open it up and remove cable
01:41 asciilifeform (mine had a set of led lamps which toggled number, supposedly cpu clock, from '40' to '10')
01:41 asciilifeform had keyboard lock, but misplaced key almost immediately after we got it
01:42 asciilifeform had thought 'who in his right mind would lock'
01:42 cazalla parents
01:42 asciilifeform lol
01:44 decimation as I recall it was an epson apex http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633612
01:45 decimation assbot is dead?
01:45 decimation then later I got a 486DX from gateway
01:46 decimation I ran slackware on it for a little while, kernel 1.2 as I recall
01:46 decimation I wish I would have met a neckbeard at that time who would have forced me to learn emacs
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278100 @ 0.00026285 = 73.0986 BTC [-] {3}
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02:32 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm < menuetos hit 1.0 release
02:38 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill << so just to reiterate here, the current perf test I'm running is with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE which oomkill'd (as it's known to do). I'll post the nmon charts, log, and vmstat log. no core file was created. However, as a reminder, the previous perf test that I ran with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch}(http://thebitcoin.foun
02:39 mod6 Addtionally, I 100% agree, if anyone else should test either of these and capture anything surrounding the OOMKILL either in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or a patched version of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, please let us know.
02:41 mod6 Once I have all the baseline perf metrics collected, I'll be making a posting about it and will publish the data.
02:47 Namworld They turned web traffic into fireworks. "The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors."
02:47 Namworld http://map.ipviking.com/
02:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239729 @ 0.00026243 = 62.9121 BTC [-] {4}
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03:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213063 @ 0.00026904 = 57.3225 BTC [+] {2}
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03:34 cazalla well, slow west is a shitty movie let alone a western
03:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261469 @ 0.00026078 = 68.1859 BTC [-] {2}
03:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197731 @ 0.00025851 = 51.1154 BTC [-] {3}
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04:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93914 @ 0.00026122 = 24.5322 BTC [+]
04:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159520 @ 0.00026833 = 42.804 BTC [+] {3}
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05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66553 @ 0.00027424 = 18.2515 BTC [+]
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05:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157880 @ 0.00027555 = 43.5038 BTC [+] {3}
05:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191592 @ 0.00027668 = 53.0097 BTC [+] {2}
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06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212878 @ 0.00027237 = 57.9816 BTC [-] {2}
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00025614 = 29.3536 BTC [-]
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06:27 jurov http://imgur.com/OVvSEKA
06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17222 @ 0.00026831 = 4.6208 BTC [+]
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07:05 mircea_popescu !up cherrry
07:05 mircea_popescu !up Jrum
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07:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51975 @ 0.00028214 = 14.6642 BTC [+]
07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00028214 = 3.4985 BTC [+]
08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152452 @ 0.00028084 = 42.8146 BTC [-] {2}
08:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71963 @ 0.00028319 = 20.3792 BTC [+]
08:26 mircea_popescu !up styuio
08:26 mircea_popescu !up Monetaio
08:36 jurov mircea_popescu: pls http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinroll_728x90.png -> https://coinroll.com/?r=99
08:38 jurov and http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinbr_hauls_728x90.png -
08:39 jurov -> https://coinbr.com
08:40 jurov since one double cherry truck is too few!
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09:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0336 BTC [+]
09:08 mircea_popescu !up wiz
09:09 mircea_popescu over here wiz.
09:10 wiz I've been reading your website recently, your blog articles are great
09:10 wiz Roger Ver first told me about your exchange a few weeks ago, I've been reading your site in my spare time since then
09:10 mircea_popescu cool.
09:10 mircea_popescu anything in particular ?
09:10 wiz and I'm listening to this video now, that's how I heard about the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgPpDRo9AQ
09:11 wiz well, I really like the concept of "unregistered corporations"
09:11 mircea_popescu wait, someone made a youtube about b-a ?
09:11 wiz well he mentioned the channel several times so far in the presentation
09:12 mircea_popescu pretty cool
09:13 wiz it occured to me that once underground markets master the art of operatings as "unregistered corporations", they will be at a huge competitive advantage to state-registered corporations
09:13 wiz and eventually, corporations will migrate to being unregistered, to remain competitive
09:14 wiz i mean, not paying tax to the state, or being restricted by their regulations, etc. is a huge competitive advantage in any market, white or black
09:15 mircea_popescu kinda the idea.
09:17 mircea_popescu jurov you're live
09:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38644 @ 0.00027787 = 10.738 BTC [-] {2}
09:42 jurov mircea_popescu: jolly good
09:44 jurov copypaste: the banners are truncated on bottom/right :-/
09:44 jurov both in ff and chrome
09:45 jurov and i canĀ§t get the coinbr one to show
09:46 copypaste I see why. Your HTML output should make sure to have no page margin. The image must be right in the top left hand corner of the browser.
09:47 copypaste I didn't notice it because all the current ads fit.
09:47 copypaste I think that a style on the <body> tag like padding:0;margin:0 should fix it.
09:47 copypaste I can't do that on my end though, has to be done on the calling website (trilema.com).
09:47 copypaste Regarding not being able to add your own ad, only mircea_popescu can do that/knows how.
09:48 jurov i know. i like to fill the image as close to the border as possible
09:49 jurov just one of the things that causes seizures to my friend pro designer :)
09:49 copypaste Understood. Hopefully mircea will fix that when he wakes up. :) Need to put a <body> tag around the <a> tag, with style="padding:0;margin:0"
09:49 copypaste It's 10PM here so I'm headed off soon.
09:49 copypaste (well, ten minutes to)
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73482 @ 0.00027774 = 20.4089 BTC [-]
09:50 jurov bye!
09:50 jurov coinbr is there. so only the margins
09:54 jurov yes i can confirm setting body style="padding:0;margin:0;" in the iframe fixes it
10:03 funkenstein_ a toy I have been working on called "coin-vote"
10:04 funkenstein_ 199.193.248.126:3000/
10:04 funkenstein_ I leave a prototype here in hopes for feedback / being ripped to shreds / other
10:07 funkenstein_ one sat, one vote
10:11 funkenstein_ one coin one vote sounds cooler, but it's really a per satoshi kinda thing
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10:43 mircea_popescu copypaste better nao ?
10:43 mircea_popescu jurov i actually saw both o' em
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00027769 = 9.1441 BTC [-] {2}
10:44 jurov mircea_popescu yes, it's all OK now
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0002767 = 1.6522 BTC [-]
10:47 mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431787597621.jpg problem ?
10:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:51 mircea_popescu "Welcome to my first tutorial. My nickname's 187 or Assassin. Right now I'm touching up on my Visual C++ skills and working on a game engine."
10:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o btw dulap's back, magically.
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11:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74613 @ 0.0002767 = 20.6454 BTC [-]
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210300 @ 0.00028319 = 59.5549 BTC [+]
11:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120755 @ 0.0002767 = 33.4129 BTC [-]
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0761 BTC [+]
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11:58 danielpbarron !up teek who are you?
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12:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22411 @ 0.0002767 = 6.2011 BTC [-]
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41283 @ 0.00027191 = 11.2253 BTC [-]
12:46 funkenstein_ thanks for feedback.. hmm node.js causing problems fancy that
12:46 funkenstein_ i had hopes this would be the project that tuned me into wtf node.js was all about
12:46 funkenstein_ http://199.193.248.126:3000/#/polls <-- perhaps better link
12:47 funkenstein_ one person figured out how to vote, nice :)
12:48 funkenstein_ meanwhile "what makes it page" by mertignetti arrives on my doorstep.. why on earth did i buy this?
12:56 asciilifeform funkenstein_: either mats or i recommended it ?
12:56 asciilifeform but it is a book for winblows reversers
12:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176286 @ 0.0002749 = 48.461 BTC [+] {3}
13:00 davout asciilifeform: could you recommend a couple C books for the eager student?
13:00 asciilifeform davec: kernighan&richie, 'the c programming language'
13:00 asciilifeform is really the only book.
13:01 asciilifeform if you must also have another,
13:01 asciilifeform http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/138815/Linden_-_Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf
13:02 asciilifeform ^ more historical and quirks sorta thing than language per se, but i still give it to beginners
13:02 asciilifeform these are the two books.
13:02 davout ok, i'll have a look ty
13:02 asciilifeform everything else, esp. the backbreakers with enormous print and oceans of whitespace that you will encounter at your local bookstore, is garbage
13:04 davout won't the first one miss some updates of the C standard?
13:04 asciilifeform davout: get the 2nd ed.
13:04 davout ok
13:04 asciilifeform davout: (not hard, because 1st ed. is virtually impossible to find. i actually preferred it, though, had better paper. and the differences are negligible)
13:05 davout asking because this one looks seems dated from '88 -> http://www.amazon.fr/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431795705&sr=8-1&keywords=the+c+programming+language
13:06 davout ah, actually it *is* the second edition
13:06 funkenstein_ asciilifeform, thnks :)
13:06 * danielpbarron adds another to the list -> http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt
13:07 * funkenstein_ bookmarks daneilpbarron's list
13:08 asciilifeform l0l
13:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82289 @ 0.00027122 = 22.3184 BTC [-]
13:17 funkenstein_ bookfinder.com hasn't changed in like a decade and still rules
13:17 asciilifeform aha
13:17 * asciilifeform heavy user of bookfinder
13:20 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ?
13:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:20 asciilifeform ^ it is not expected to
13:35 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133831 << my full node also died recently, many times. I had to restart it like 10 times in a day when it usually goes weeks without crashing
13:35 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 05:30:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!
13:35 danielpbarron the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue
13:45 jurov !up Namworld
13:50 asciilifeform danielpbarron: thread concerned 0.5.3.1 with orphanage-thermonuke patch.
13:50 asciilifeform (not to be confused with much earlier orphanage burner patch)
13:51 danielpbarron i thought maybe the live network was getting spammed the other day or something; why all of a sudden my node keeps crashing?
13:57 trinque danielpbarron: I noticed deedbot's btcd node crashed the other day
13:57 trinque for the first time
13:59 danielpbarron aha!
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14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00028003 = 16.2277 BTC [+]
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14:37 mats http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/DiogoGeraldini/aircraft-systems
14:51 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ? << nope! it was pretty exciting to see it get all the way through full sync without oomkill.
14:52 mod6 now, it'll be interesting to see the numbers i.e. network usage (among other utilization metrics) between full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{Orphanage_Thermonuke} & v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (currently running -- which also, as i was saying lastnight, already oom killed once)
14:54 mod6 <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
14:58 asciilifeform trinque, danielpbarron: this is interesting enough that it oughta go in the mailinglist
14:58 asciilifeform mod6: did you have a 'thermonuke' node going at the time of these events ?
14:58 asciilifeform which, as i understand - did not crash ?
15:02 mod6 so yes, the first performance test was me running v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with Orphanage_Thermonuke patched in. Performance test conducted with `vmstat 1` & `nmon -f s3 -c1000000`. During this test the entire sync process completed without any oomkill.
15:02 mod6 Now, currently, I'm running a very similar test with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (as a baseline) without your OrphanageThermonuke patch included... it did oomkill once, yesterday.
15:03 asciilifeform aha
15:04 mod6 make sense? i'll post all the data with a posting about the findings.
15:04 mod6 well, actually, i'd post the orphanage-thermonuke patch test data now, but it's 113 mb of raw nmon captures.
15:05 mod6 if you want it, just holler.
15:05 asciilifeform neato
15:05 asciilifeform consider posting the charts
15:07 mod6 yup, will do. the charts are actully posted from the first test already (http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/), I'll certainly post the results/charts from the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE when it's complete as well.
15:07 mod6 we're getting closer, maybe 24 hours away; it's on block: 322683
15:10 asciilifeform mod6: the most interesting chart is memory/time
15:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87254 @ 0.00027866 = 24.3142 BTC [-]
15:11 asciilifeform (would have been best to measure only the bitcoind process)
15:11 mod6 yeah, i'll have to figure out how to use either nmon or another tool to capture /just/ the bitcoind process.
15:11 mod6 it's a work-in-progress
15:11 mod6 :]
15:13 mod6 it should be /fairly/ accurate as there isn't anything else running on this box. just the usual: sshd/syslog/screen/cron ..
15:13 asciilifeform mod6: this is not the problem. the real issue is distinguishing disk-cache ram from process ram
15:14 mod6 ah, ok. i'll try to figure out how to capture that.
15:15 mod6 im throwing that raw nmon file up there for you now, incase you wanna see it.
15:15 mod6 just a sec.
15:16 mod6 ok, it's in that same directory: 'nmon_bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE_plus_OrphanageThermonukePatch.txt'
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102924 @ 0.00027866 = 28.6808 BTC [-]
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15:34 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134015 << it's a full node, so whatever blockrange happened over the course of the last few days
15:34 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 18:54:57; mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
15:36 mod6 danielpbarron: what block are you on currently?
15:37 danielpbarron height=356716
15:37 mod6 ah ok
15:38 danielpbarron and while checking numbers, my pogo is at height=352796
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25405 @ 0.00027164 = 6.901 BTC [-]
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16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9845 @ 0.00027164 = 2.6743 BTC [-]
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00027122 = 13.995 BTC [-]
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16:40 davout https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#142 <<< this is going well
16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49891 @ 0.00027138 = 13.5394 BTC [+]
16:53 jurov lmao "these advertisements are not very professionally made"
16:57 mod6 lol, it was hard not to comment on that
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17:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.00027058 = 19.8741 BTC [-] {2}
17:38 asciilifeform http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org << bizarre, somewhat interesting, and (apparently) dead lulzatr0n.
17:45 asciilifeform unrelated: http://ummr.altervista.org/before_microprocessors.htm and http://ummr.altervista.org/before_micros_2.htm << mega-pr0n of discrete logic iron
17:47 asciilifeform ^ should occupy any aficionado for most of an evening
17:47 asciilifeform http://ummr.altervista.org/scansTEKECL.jpg << these (or, more realistically, modern) ECL discretes would probably outperform a modern integrated miner, were they to be built into a (washing-machine-sized) one...
17:48 asciilifeform (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
17:50 jurov really? how quickly ECL logic can do, say, one SHA step?
17:52 asciilifeform jurov: ecl (emitter-coupled logic) is a supposedly-obsolete way to build logical circuits (on any particular semiconductor chemistry) where a transistor is kept near switching point at all times, gaining speed at the expense of economy
17:53 asciilifeform it was used in certain '80s supercomputers.
17:53 jurov yes, i know. even had it at school
17:53 jurov pediwiki says "300 MHz flip-flop toggle rates".. and guess it would need flipflops if the SHA computaiton is pipelined
17:53 asciilifeform my symbolics lisp mach., interestingly, has a board with a good number of ecl discretes. turned out, this was the framebuffer. it was the only way to crunch ~200MHz at the time
17:54 asciilifeform jurov: check out a modern catalogue (e.g., 'digikey') - you can get ecl parts going into double-digit GHz
17:54 asciilifeform (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
17:54 jurov heh had same thought
17:55 asciilifeform ecl miners probably live on the same planet as gallium arsenide, etc. miners.
17:56 asciilifeform http://www.asic-world.com/digital/logic3.html << for readers
17:57 asciilifeform while we're doing peculiar miners, one might also consider another lost technology, the 'integrated'... vacuum flask.
17:57 jurov rly? last time someone dig out "vacuum" microelectronics, you said academic wankery
17:57 asciilifeform because they needed a si fab
17:58 asciilifeform the whole point, here, is to avoid the statal spittoon dragged in by the use of si microfabrication.
18:00 jurov ah that. so, thinking about ECL, one basically needs to put together 2x80 identical circuits for two rouds of SHA1, and pipeline them, no?
18:01 asciilifeform potentially, one could create a sequential circuit of arbitrary complexity using laser-cut metallic baffles in a long glass vacuum flask.
18:01 asciilifeform on traditional principles of valve logic.
18:01 asciilifeform jurov: sha2
18:02 asciilifeform and when using exotic/handmade logic, you will probably take the opposite approach from a si designer - maximally 'un-unroll' the loops.
18:02 asciilifeform keeping the number of parts at a minimum.
18:02 jurov so you think about one SHA2 iteration feeding itself?
18:03 asciilifeform aha, as on early fpga.
18:05 jurov ;;calc 2000/128
18:05 gribble 15.625
18:09 jurov could have 15 MH/s if driven with 2GHz
18:10 asciilifeform probably 'sheep's skin not worth the tanning' if tradeoff is taken to this extreme.
18:11 asciilifeform http://www.junkbox.com/electronics/CompactronTubesIndex.shtml << re: mega-tubes.
18:12 asciilifeform 'What GE did was combine multiple common tube types into "fat" tubesĀ—as many as four in a single glass envelope, all heated from the same filament. The idea was to reduce the amount of power required to heat the tubes and the space they required on the circuit board, as well as the associated costs of multiple sockets. In a very crude way, GE was applying the concept of integrated circuits to tubes, and if solid-state technl
18:12 asciilifeform ogy had not advanced as quickly as it did in the first half of the 1960s, the Compactron idea might have been developed further, with even more tubes in a single envelope...'
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18:28 jurov don't you need one cathode per every gate, roughly speaking?
18:30 jurov http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/logic_family_built_around_1j24b.html
18:42 * adlai finds along the rabbit-hole walls yet another example of "jpeg-quality gif > $maxint words": http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/aa5-1t.html
18:45 asciilifeform jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
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19:05 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski Ā» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Gold Rush! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/
19:06 mircea_popescu copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/113.html#146 << ppls like the gpg lol
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19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00027782 = 21.3921 BTC [+] {4}
19:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134060 << yeah, i know that place. right across the straights from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60
19:42 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 21:48:24; asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
19:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134068 << i was gonna say, what do you do about accumulated errors. alpha emission was bad enough, this seems degrees of magnitude more so
19:44 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 21:54:31; asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
19:47 mircea_popescu jurov lol at the >9000 watt thing
19:48 mircea_popescu lol nice one pete!
19:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00027976 = 1.9614 BTC [+] {2}
19:50 mircea_popescu you gotta add a zoom of the damned gerbils
20:04 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
20:04 assbot Logged on 16-05-2015 22:45:49; asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
20:08 jurov i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
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20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00027704 = 10.86 BTC [-]
20:36 jurov !up Rozal
20:37 Rozal buying 10 BTC, anyone selling?
20:37 Rozal bank deposit
20:37 Rozal wrong channel
20:38 jurov it's okay,but better on #bitcoin-otc
20:38 jurov ;;gettrust jurov Rozal
20:38 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Rozal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal | Rated since: Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013
20:43 ben_vulpes asciilifeform, trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123556 << what's the story for managing tar files via portage?
20:43 assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 03:36:21; asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
20:45 jurov ben_vulpes: it's source package that portage downloads automatically(with some exceptions) to /usr/portage/distfiles
20:45 jurov was that the question?
20:47 ben_vulpes ah
20:47 ben_vulpes no, but it's a very useful answer
20:49 ben_vulpes gentoo quest
20:59 mircea_popescu copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/117.html#170 << check you out, banned by minijust no less!
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21:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00027704 = 17.6197 BTC [-]
21:36 mircea_popescu !up ni291187
21:42 mircea_popescu and it is now time for a review of teh various butthurt!
21:42 mircea_popescu http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/186432.html << "So why are there specific ads on /v/ which are retarded /pol/-tier shit?"
21:46 mircea_popescu http://v8chan.com/thread/3791455/why-does-hotwheels-allow-such-racist-offensive-ads.html
21:47 mircea_popescu "This is so FUCKING disgusting, holy shit"
21:48 mircea_popescu meanwhile on /pol/, https://8ch.net/pol/res/2049610.html "Who is this fucktard and why do I have to see his retarded quotes as ads on every board?"
21:53 ben_vulpes https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431819761056.gif
21:54 ben_vulpes in bitcoin-related nooz...
21:54 mircea_popescu hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick
21:56 ben_vulpes how can one ever tell with these internet gifs
21:56 ben_vulpes could be dogs in costumes
21:56 mircea_popescu http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "YouĀ’re mentally disabled if you donĀ’t thi
21:57 mircea_popescu nk that is a good thing."
21:57 mircea_popescu ahhh dude, chan is exactly where it was in 2005.
21:57 mircea_popescu feelsgood.png
21:57 cazalla the fuck is v8chan
21:58 mircea_popescu nfi.
21:59 mircea_popescu prolly some sort of backup thing
22:00 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/0WWr6 < here we go
22:01 mircea_popescu the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.
22:06 mircea_popescu http://8archive.moe/v/thread/3744246 << archive found.
22:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2511 @ 0.00068101 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}
22:22 mircea_popescu "man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.
22:23 mircea_popescu web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.
22:23 mircea_popescu !up indiancandy1
22:26 mircea_popescu ;;ud itt
22:26 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itt | ITT. Usually done in all caps, it is the first post on a fourm. It directly mean In This ... ITT I'm wrong compared to popular opinion but I'll post this definition anyway.
22:27 indiancandy1 hi every body
22:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00027979 = 3.2624 BTC [+]
22:28 mircea_popescu heya
22:32 decimation asciilifeform: adlai interesting 'application specific' tube logic links
22:34 ben_vulpes deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
22:35 ben_vulpes !up deedbot-
22:35 ben_vulpes deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
22:36 ben_vulpes trinque!
22:36 ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html << scoop
22:37 decimation it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures
22:37 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134106 << they did exist, 'field emission display' (essentially a crt with one electron gun - of cold cathode type - per subpixel!)
22:37 assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 00:04:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
22:37 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine
22:37 assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 00:08:31; jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
22:38 mircea_popescu aaand /btc/ is nao in the top 50th most read boards on 8chan >> https://8ch.net/boards.html
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8546 @ 0.00027986 = 2.3917 BTC [+] {2}
22:39 decimation ben_vulpes: I have one of those usb knobs
22:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what does the knob do ?
22:40 decimation I use it to tune my virtual radio
22:40 ben_vulpes twiddles kitchen lead time for operators of trinque's webmachine
22:40 asciilifeform aha it's a joystick
22:40 * ben_vulpes off to wedding
22:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: before you go - did it work ?
22:40 decimation https://store.griffintechnology.com/powermate
22:41 asciilifeform and wai wat
22:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes plugged it into a serial port ?!?!!
22:41 asciilifeform (after i explained, in agonizing detail, why this will not work...)
22:42 asciilifeform and who holds soldering iron like this, l0l!
22:42 decimation asciilifeform: looks like one of those ebay usb/3.3v serial dongles
22:43 decimation someone who doesn't have a proper vice
22:43 asciilifeform vice?!
22:43 asciilifeform for soldering iron! lol
22:43 decimation or holder deal
22:43 decimation no, for the object being soldered
22:43 asciilifeform decimation: that dongle is just the thing for, e.g., pogo - but the rng is not a rs232 device...
22:43 asciilifeform it doesn't spit out start or stop bits
22:43 decimation heh
22:44 asciilifeform http://www.best-microcontroller-projects.com/image-files/how-rs232-works-tx-logic-rs232-diag.png << example
22:45 asciilifeform (if it did, it would be perfectly usable as rs232)
22:45 asciilifeform but it doesn't.
22:45 decimation did you intend to use an spi device
22:45 asciilifeform nope
22:45 asciilifeform it's raw rng
22:45 decimation ah I see
22:45 asciilifeform i.e. a pin that changes level when it wants.
22:46 decimation so really you need a '1-bit adc'
22:46 asciilifeform now, if you have a -very- well-behaved os, you could sample it as rs232 anyway. but then you discover (see old mircea_popescu article where we stepped on this caltrop!) that you end up losing bytes that match 'control' section of ascii table
22:47 decimation asciilifeform: or you could use a parallel port, if your computer has one
22:47 asciilifeform decimation: this was what i told ben_vulpes at c3
22:47 asciilifeform to use parallel port
22:47 asciilifeform or, if cannot find machine having such - sound card
22:47 indiancandy1 huh
22:47 decimation one can still buy 'em even for pci express
22:47 asciilifeform decimation: i have one such installed right here
22:47 asciilifeform in regular use.
22:47 decimation I would worry about potential noise in the sound card
22:48 indiancandy1 wat r y talkin bout
22:48 asciilifeform decimation: the noise doesn't matter, rng outputs logic-level signal
22:48 decimation but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue
22:48 williamdunne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmWGrQjgTA anyone seen this dose of autism?
22:49 decimation indiancandy1: sampling random signals
22:49 indiancandy1 wat
22:49 indiancandy1 abt hot guys here lol
22:49 indiancandy1 any*********
22:49 asciilifeform indiancandy1: sorry only cold
22:50 williamdunne indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
22:50 williamdunne Or is that 7'?
22:50 williamdunne I can never remember
22:50 asciilifeform indiancandy1: and the item we were talking about, was this: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg
22:51 indiancandy1 i just bought some baloons of a somalian
22:51 asciilifeform specifically the one on the left.
22:51 decimation asciilifeform: I wonder how cricital sampling clock variation would be
22:51 asciilifeform decimation: the problem with using sound card would be that it has ac-coupled input.
22:51 indiancandy1 there is a somalian guu
22:51 williamdunne indiancandy1: they break yet?
22:51 indiancandy1 guy seelling baloons
22:51 indiancandy1 with that gass in
22:51 indiancandy1 on the street
22:51 indiancandy1 the gass they give to pregnant
22:51 decimation asciilifeform: yeah good point. you could use it with an analog mixer and an audio signal generator
22:52 williamdunne asciilifeform: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the box over the chips for?
22:52 williamdunne indiancandy1: *inflate.
22:52 asciilifeform williamdunne: rf shield (in the photo, it is missing the cover)
22:52 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134218 <<< matches indiancandy1's 7" nose
22:52 assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 02:50:28; williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
22:52 asciilifeform williamdunne: see third photo from ben_vulpes's link for what cover looked like
22:53 williamdunne Ahh I see, looks good. Didn't realize how complete it looks
22:53 decimation asciilifeform: your old soundblaster card came with a joystick input
22:53 williamdunne indiancandy1: who are you?
22:53 decimation as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers
22:53 asciilifeform williamdunne: she is/was one of mircea_popescu's camgurlz, iirc
22:53 asciilifeform !up indiancandy1
22:54 williamdunne indiancandy1: asciilifeform: ahh I see, indian have you met Naphex?
22:54 indiancandy1 who am i
22:54 williamdunne yes
22:54 asciilifeform decimation: at any rate, the -correct- way to sample these for experimental purposes is with either parallel port or a generic i/o gadget (e.g., 'ftdi')
22:54 indiancandy1 im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
22:55 williamdunne Thats subjective
22:55 indiancandy1 im pretty young and fly
22:55 indiancandy1 and sexy
22:56 asciilifeform indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ?
22:56 decimation asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output
22:56 asciilifeform decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.
22:56 asciilifeform what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking.
22:56 indiancandy1 no
22:56 williamdunne indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
22:57 indiancandy1 why would i
22:57 indiancandy1 instagram
22:57 indiancandy1 realshantidynamite
22:58 decimation asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit
22:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3}
22:59 asciilifeform decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design
22:59 williamdunne indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you.
22:59 asciilifeform where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc
22:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+]
23:01 decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft
23:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.
23:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same as me l0l
23:06 asciilifeform using money.
23:08 mircea_popescu she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.
23:08 asciilifeform waiwut
23:11 williamdunne Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender
23:11 decimation what about transpatriarchy
23:11 mircea_popescu well how should i explain it ? lol
23:11 williamdunne decimation: that implies they are delusional
23:11 mircea_popescu williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?
23:11 williamdunne mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary
23:11 williamdunne You're either cis or you're not
23:12 williamdunne Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man
23:12 mircea_popescu is it ?!
23:12 mircea_popescu most she-haters i know are womenz.
23:13 williamdunne Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great
23:13 mircea_popescu to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.
23:13 mircea_popescu much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.
23:14 williamdunne Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin
23:14 asciilifeform not meaningless >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Cis-trans.svg/1280px-Cis-trans.svg.png
23:15 mircea_popescu the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.
23:15 williamdunne /apache attack helicopter
23:15 mircea_popescu the .svg.png part is lulzy.
23:15 asciilifeform aha
23:16 asciilifeform (know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.)
23:16 williamdunne *could not
23:16 williamdunne being highlighted
23:16 williamdunne IIRC it can since ie9
23:17 williamdunne yep
23:17 williamdunne http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg
23:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2}
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2}
23:26 asciilifeform quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8bDCfZ_Cc
23:27 asciilifeform (where's arsebot ?)
23:27 asciilifeform '1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'
23:27 decimation assbot seems to be partially tits-up
23:31 mircea_popescu decimation what's teh problem ?
23:31 decimation where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?
23:32 mircea_popescu oh
23:34 decimation asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'
23:35 decimation my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective
23:37 deedbot- [Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/
23:38 williamdunne decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything
23:38 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134258 <<< total butterface, great tits though
23:38 assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
23:38 williamdunne cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point
23:38 williamdunne Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women
23:40 cazalla this one is only half indian though
23:40 williamdunne And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done
23:41 cazalla those desi girls are pretty hot mind you
23:43 williamdunne I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features
23:47 cazalla what are western features?
23:49 cazalla http://i.imgur.com/tXGZonM.jpg
23:51 williamdunne Less Asian than other Asians
23:52 cazalla isn't that the East :P
23:54 cazalla anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs
23:55 cazalla one for mircea_popescu https://instagram.com/p/zxai8jh6A4/?taken-by=realshantidynamite
23:56 decimation http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/projectile-problem-goes-beyond-amtrak-train-and-philadelphia.html?_r=0 < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains
23:57 decimation "Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."
23:57 hanbot DUP bricks!
23:58 decimation note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons
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