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00:00 mircea_popescu yeah but...
00:00 mircea_popescu so what if they do watch it ?
00:00 BingoBoingo They must acquit
00:00 mircea_popescu uh.
00:01 mircea_popescu you know, for an ironclad case the prosecution claims, and for an independence from the state the judge pretends,
00:01 BingoBoingo Because Gox collapsed because the FBI took all of Karpales coins in the silk road bust.
00:01 mircea_popescu these people are pretty fucking worried.
00:01 BingoBoingo Yeah
00:01 BingoBoingo From that julia who stopped by a few times: https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/555922943868678144
00:01 assbot The trial is going in the favor of defense and they are panicking so we can't give them a reason to anonymize the jury. No signs. No signs.
00:02 mircea_popescu why is she dumb enough to play ball lmao.
00:02 mircea_popescu let them "anonymize" the jury. da fuck do you care.
00:02 mircea_popescu not like you're going to do anything whatsoever BECAUSE of the usg.
00:02 mircea_popescu never again. do what you will, and fuck them.
00:02 decimation interesting, the march 15 euro future on CME is at $1.16, with a $1.16 call at $0.0248 and put at $0.0195
00:03 mircea_popescu expecting more volatility ?
00:05 asciilifeform lol, they let the jury home ?
00:07 decimation I guess the simple call-put analysis would imply a future increase in price
00:07 decimation but that was the case a few weeks ago, and the future has fallen
00:09 decimation I suppose the simple (call-put) analysis ignores the prevailing interest rates in each currency, which would also affect the future price
00:10 mircea_popescu justusranvier http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-7394
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00:10 assbot Transaction Fees and the Future of Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14GCU7F )
00:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: buffett's textile plants: i once worked with a greybeard - a former director of a research lab at, iirc, kodak (many years ago.) he was reduced to programming by ill fortune, age, disease. told many stories, but concerning textiles, that his laboratory was built inside an abandoned textiles plant, one of a great many in the american south.
00:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It seems so.
00:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they were abruptly hollowed out and made good 'floors' for remaining concerns - pharma, call centres, etc.
00:14 mircea_popescu yep
00:14 mircea_popescu it's a fine way to gut a well established entreprise.
00:14 mircea_popescu "revolutionize" it.
00:14 decimation kodak is an excellent example of a company selling off its economically viable business for no reason
00:15 mircea_popescu that's not really the mechanism here tho.
00:15 mircea_popescu anyway, if ever there was a social experiment to illustrate just how little computer geeks understand, bitcoin's it.
00:16 mircea_popescu all sorts of things seem obvious by simile to people with no experience and not much intellectual curiosity.
00:16 * asciilifeform isn't certain that 'computer geeks' - as commonly understood - were yet ever involved with bitcoin in appreciable numbers
00:16 mircea_popescu yet somehow their inability to score girlfriends or be the life of the party does not even begin to hint to them that perhaps they're ill prepared to judge economic phenomena.
00:17 mircea_popescu dunning kruger is not reserved to idiots. it's just another name for the aspie's sufferance.
00:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean mostly the ruby and web2.0 "we r code" bunch.
00:17 mircea_popescu like gavin, or the rest. the million people that's a million extra hands on github
00:17 asciilifeform the programmatory equivalent of chinese textile labourers ?
00:18 mircea_popescu them exactly.
00:18 mircea_popescu it's what computer geek means, these days. "shy, socially awkward teenager that doesn't know how to use computers, in spite of spending a lot of time with them"
00:19 decimation so, the chinese peasant is a textile hobbyist in the way that the 'computer geek' is a programming hobbyist?
00:19 mircea_popescu quite.
00:19 decimation yeah, I can see that. note that this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros
00:19 mircea_popescu they probably learn more useful & important stuff playing counterstrike than mashing the kbd for code.
00:19 asciilifeform except that cloth unquestionably exists and is useful.
00:20 mircea_popescu decimation oh, it's noted.
00:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cloth unquestionably exists ; so exists bad code.
00:20 mircea_popescu that it's useful... depends.
00:20 mircea_popescu i keep the girls nude indoors.
00:20 mircea_popescu and outdoors half the time for that matter.
00:20 mircea_popescu now if in question were shoes... or rifles... but they aren't, are they.
00:20 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/ec309eecd19f226b31693c251c8e9246/tumblr_mqhaq36TlG1sv0gl8o1_500.jpg << speaking of shoes.
00:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/153ABwy )
00:21 asciilifeform those are shoes ?!
00:21 mircea_popescu after a fashoen
00:24 asciilifeform this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros << how??
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}
00:25 asciilifeform (i can think of perhaps one or two ways, but labour competition is quite certainly not one of them)
00:25 mircea_popescu hard to be found and find peers when drowning in sewage & assorted cuntpuss
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8}
00:25 asciilifeform this, yes
00:25 mircea_popescu o, you need more /
00:25 asciilifeform the extinction of adequate physical equipment, also.
00:25 mircea_popescu "not worth making anymore", because "no market".
00:26 mircea_popescu because somehow inexplicably cuntpuss has purchasing power. for shame.
00:26 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Are those shoes hard forms?
00:26 asciilifeform sufficiently many ants - kill elephant.
00:26 mircea_popescu midnightmagic they look to me like a steel frame tied to the calf and foot.
00:28 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I've been looking for a heel form specifically like that to wear for long trips in my sportscar. Minus all the metal and straps. I think a heel form support over the outside of a vibram would probably double my range without rest.
00:28 midnightmagic (without wrecking my ability to heel&toe)
00:29 mircea_popescu twenty years ago you could have leather shoes made by design to order in quantities of one, up in harlem.
00:29 mircea_popescu by now... i have nfi.
00:30 midnightmagic hrm
00:30 mircea_popescu there must be some shop left somewhere that still does it. they make chain mail by hand and whatnot, i can't imagine shoemakers all died out.
00:31 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/d4cb3a6bba4f8cb6a3ec185fa0c03db8/tumblr_mzkvtiZm3O1t8ttb7o1_500.jpg unrelatedly.
00:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14GH8Mx )
00:34 midnightmagic that's a good idea.. for a long time I thought I'd have to cast a form out of carbon fiber or something
00:35 mircea_popescu you can trivially make it out of silicone. it'll suck.
00:36 midnightmagic i need undeformable support. the weight of my leg on my heel while driving is pretty excruciating, but normal shoes would ruin my feel of the floor and pedals
00:36 midnightmagic anyway, excuse the offtopic
00:37 midnightmagic or.. tangent at any rate
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01:18 asciilifeform http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/opinion/paul-krugman-francs-fear-and-folly.html << high-grade mega-lol
01:18 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6rOpa )
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05:08 BingoBoingo Paranoia https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sl1lv/bitcoin_white_rock_ashley_barr_dpr_connection/
05:08 assbot Bitcoin White Rock, Ashley Barr, DPR Connection : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6tLGV )
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05:28 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/Alg0gBv.jpg
05:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6MtJJ )
05:30 davout fluffypony: lulzy
05:30 davout fluffypony: do you know a monero executive summary?
05:31 fluffypony davout: how short a summary do you want?
05:31 davout 2~3 pages to start i'd say
05:32 davout just so i have an idea what it's about so i can dig further if needed
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05:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]
05:36 fluffypony davout: I think our Year in Review report is a good start - https://forum.monero.cc/1/news-and-announcements/134/monday-monero-missives-22-year-in-review-january-5th-2015
05:36 assbot Monero | News and Announcements » Monday Monero Missives #22 - Year in Review, January 5th, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6Nmlx )
05:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00045861 = 17.817 BTC [+]
05:36 davout looks great tyvm!
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07:14 jurov pity the monero memory problem isn't resolved yet (keeps blockchain in memory, needs 30G)
07:15 jurov just for fun i have tried to cap RSS using control groups so that the rest would go to swap
07:15 jurov it worked for maybe a day, then linux died
07:22 BingoBoingo Everyone dies, but one day before die is dissaponting amount of die
07:32 davout jurov: ouch
07:37 fluffypony jurov: you mean 3gb
07:38 fluffypony definitely not 30gb
07:38 fluffypony and the lmdb branch is reasonably stable, but Linux only at this stage
07:39 fluffypony https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain
07:39 assbot tewinget/bitmonero at blockchain · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXXgVN )
07:39 jurov ohh so i remember wrong.. reports actually say 5-6GB
07:40 jurov still was too much
07:40 jurov will try that branch, thx
07:41 fluffypony yep it doubles up to 6gb when its spooling to disk (every 12 hours), as it creates a copy of the blockchain object
07:43 fluffypony https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/555892860654862337
07:43 assbot This is probably going to be disappointing for you, but I am not and have never been Dread Pirate Roberts.
07:43 fluffypony so just a regular scammer, then
07:45 jurov it's completely incomprehensible to me why they have chosen karpeles of all people
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07:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34827 @ 0.00045873 = 15.9762 BTC [+] {2}
07:46 jurov any idea?
07:49 BingoBoingo Well Where might McCaleb have met Kapeles if not the silk road over a spoonful of black tar?
07:58 BingoBoingo Just wild speculation
08:03 thestringpuller fluffypony: took him 24 hours to compose that statemetn?
08:04 fluffypony thestringpuller: nah, probably only a couple of minutes - you have to remember that he would only have heard the news shortly before that Tweet, what with the self-induced mocha frappacino coma binge he's been on lately
08:04 thestringpuller no wonder the Feds were able to compromise Silk Road if Tux was running it.
08:04 fluffypony lol
08:05 fluffypony they offered him donuts and lattes until he gave them the server keys
08:06 thestringpuller d00d they are calling him a supervillian already
08:07 fluffypony Dr. Latte!
08:07 thestringpuller a super villian would have been running this shit from Africa and would have actually killed people in the process
08:07 thestringpuller And instead of being arrested by feds and tried, Obama would have sent a drone.
08:11 thestringpuller today is a punk rock day
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09:30 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/roger-ver-and-americas-emigration-dilemma/
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09:48 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2015#978602
09:48 assbot Logged on 15-01-2015 21:14:46; kakobrekla: also some fx brokerages closed.
09:48 kakobrekla http://www.alpari.com/company-news/posts/2015/january/important-announcement/
09:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yktLj2 )
09:50 BingoBoingo OMG the conspiracy theories on Gox Road are coalescing into almost sense.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sjuvu/defense_in_silk_road_trial_arguing_mark_karpeles/cnqcgxd
09:50 assbot lifeboatz comments on "Defense in Silk Road trial arguing Mark Karpeles, CEO of Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, was the real mastermind behind Silk Road." ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykucK9 )
09:50 BingoBoingo !up mircea_popescu
09:50 mircea_popescu o hai.
09:50 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/ab532f17c00a4804843916c828e034b0/tumblr_mxnu6juUr61qi0kbpo1_500.jpg << by way of ty.
09:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykuh0x )
09:50 TomServo Another great article BingoBoingo.
09:51 BingoBoingo Thanks TomServo, been chewing on that one too long prolly.
09:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol always great to read the comedy gold classics every time us policy backfires massively.
09:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " So far it hasn't been enforced due to its extreme vagary, but in the unstable environment of applied United States law. Not with the sudden resurgence of threats to invoke the All Writs Act reentering the public discourse in late 2014."
09:54 mircea_popescu that not right in there ?
09:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just rewrote that sentence, hazard of multi session writing.
09:59 mircea_popescu "Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get p
09:59 mircea_popescu aid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero)."
10:00 mircea_popescu this would explain the shockingly large 50 btc donations figure for an altcoin i guess.
10:01 mircea_popescu 35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team 594 separate commits << inherited by whom ? how ? if that inherited had linked to a gpg signed testament...
10:02 davout mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense that it was inherited as a messy bytecoin code base
10:02 mircea_popescu i guess.
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]
10:03 * mircea_popescu hated that "illustrative" graph too. fucking sleek but meaningless graphics.
10:03 mircea_popescu Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. >> much better.
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00045699 = 6.5578 BTC [-]
10:04 davout i was personnally quite impressed by the "let's start by a financial report"
10:04 mircea_popescu ok, sure. not bad that.
10:05 mircea_popescu "OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" " << the entire discusison of that thing (my mind went, ok, let's try and poke one particular thing and see" is nice and all for the zooko discussion, but a) it's not clear to me what's the relation to open alias corporation if any
10:06 mircea_popescu (when what looks like a term of art has basically two apparently divorced meanings via google, it's suspicious if they don't seem mutually aware)
10:06 mircea_popescu in any case it'd benefit from an explanation of itself.
10:07 mircea_popescu "With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat." << in depth description ? links ? somehow for me to evaluate if they're due to the world being full of idiots (ddos ?) or the devs being idiots (we were using ruby!!1)
10:08 mircea_popescu Hey! This page will never end! Just keep on scrolling to see more posts! < lol busted. anyway! i guess it goes back i nthe pile that has been holding "open transactyions" since about 2011.
10:11 mircea_popescu "And for three years it worked. But on Thursday the Swiss suddenly gave up. We don’t know exactly why; nobody I know believes the official explanation, that it’s a response to a weakening euro. " << ha-ha. everyone you DON'T know knows the explanation. it was published on fucking trilema for crissakes, not even as a news item.
10:11 mircea_popescu that what the us considers important thinkers have no access to basic data, because they're isolated on a WoI, should speak volumes.
10:13 TomServo In glancing through the comments on Krugman's piece, he seems to be getting pretty well lambasted there.
10:14 mircea_popescu nah, it didn't happen.
10:14 mircea_popescu those people just failed to "enter the looking glass world" when "everybody" did.
10:14 mircea_popescu they were left on this other side with nobody, and putin.
10:15 mircea_popescu it's kind-of remarkable (not really) just how self-labeling stupidity actually is. the difference between trying to "explain yourself" as an idiot and simply wearing a lot of large "hey everyone, i'm the idiot!" signs and tags is hard to notice.
10:16 mircea_popescu "So let’s learn from the Swiss. They’ve been careful; they’ve maintained sound money for generations. And now they’re paying the price."
10:16 mircea_popescu epic.
10:16 mircea_popescu such a price, rly.
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10:21 BingoBoingo !up mircea_popescu
10:21 mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/86375fbb6f3fe2ef7ef1c0183063fffe/tumblr_n6i21mbY261sfkfqio1_500.jpg
10:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cw9G77 )
10:24 mircea_popescu kk.
10:30 BingoBoingo Apparently the dollar fell against 87 octane yesterday at retail
10:32 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0FDjFBj8o
10:32 assbot How to sound smart in your TEDx Talk | Will Stephen | TEDxNewYork - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cwd4Pe )
10:32 BingoBoingo Qntra endorsement found on twitter https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/556110683948187649
10:32 assbot What I find interesting about it, is that it appears to be effortless; like these are the cast offs, the "While ima here, Ill let you know".
10:33 mircea_popescu i dunno what that means ?
10:34 BingoBoingo I'm not sure either, but the tweets surrounding it are praise
10:34 rithm BingoBoingo I know some spots who sell 87 octane for 1.88 cash and 1.99 credit fwiw
10:34 rithm sorta recentish
10:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2}
10:34 BingoBoingo rithm: There's one that always has that spread a couple towns over.
10:34 rithm interesting
10:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00045658 = 13.6061 BTC [-] {2}
10:35 BingoBoingo But yesterday Went from $1.79 up to $2.09 and this morning back to $1.79, that volatility
10:36 BingoBoingo Also... model of integrity here http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24963484/man-who-sold-lsu-equipment-chooses-jail-over-revealing-player-source
10:36 assbot Man who sold LSU equipment chooses jail over revealing player source - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8nMBn )
10:37 mircea_popescu not bad.
10:38 mircea_popescu "LSU football equipment is leased to student-athetes, who are not allowed to give it away or sell it." fucking outrage.
10:39 BingoBoingo Well according to the NCAA written rules, they aren't alowed to. According to the unwritten rules of the actual government of the sport they totally are allowed to give away and sell it.
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22026 @ 0.00044678 = 9.8408 BTC [-]
10:40 BingoBoingo Legitimate government of Sicily is not in Rome sort of situation.
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10:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12999976 = 1.69 BTC [+] {2}
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11:14 TomServo !up mircea_popescu
11:14 TomServo !up astRocreep
11:23 kakobrekla o look our friend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiy1rlKdBo8
11:23 assbot OneRNG - An Open and Verifiable hardware random number generator - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7QP3P )
11:24 kakobrekla or was is freeend
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11:40 danielpbarron http://youtu.be/GYSqnmeOBKw?t=4m56s
11:40 assbot Don't sell yourself short on EBay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7TavO )
11:40 xanthyos hello fellow bitcoiners, what are my poker chips worth today?
11:41 jurov ;;rate
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11:41 jurov ;;ticker
11:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 205.02, Best ask: 205.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 205.76, 24 hour volume: 48633.20568306, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 224.0, 24 hour vwap: 211.159397315
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11:54 kakobrekla bah no cardano mention http://youtu.be/jiy1rlKdBo8?t=30m44s
11:57 xanthyos !up mircea_popescu
12:08 thestringpuller Argentina got dat recipe
12:08 thestringpuller dem 3 w's
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12:31 mod6 !up mircea_popescu
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12:34 jurov kakobrekla: maybe because cardano nor its rng is not released yet?
12:34 asciilifeform wait wat
12:34 asciilifeform why would that thing mention it ever
12:34 kakobrekla yea yea
12:35 jurov yea, for example NeuG claims: It is a true RNG, with SHA-256 conditioning component.
12:35 asciilifeform hilarity.
12:35 jurov cardano is another league than this
12:36 asciilifeform i wish i knew why folks still think rng is high science. it isn't.
12:36 kakobrekla well they rave about "support other crypto project"
12:36 kakobrekla but only the unworthy.
12:37 asciilifeform there used to be at least half a dozen small pc-based rng on the market.
12:37 kakobrekla and mp had direct contact with the man iirc
12:37 kakobrekla so i guess i had my expectations scammed
12:37 asciilifeform lol
12:45 jurov i went on some googling why the "conditioning" and found this gem: http://lwn.net/Articles/525204/
12:45 assbot Development [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1C80UOa )
12:45 jurov Most entropy sources don't produce "good" random numbers. The source may, for example, produce ones only 25% of the time. This doesn't negate the value of the source. However, the "obvious" non-randomness must be eliminated; that is the task of the conditioner.
12:45 jurov The output of the conditioner is then fed into a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator (CSPRNG). The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source.
12:45 asciilifeform 'conditioning' normally called 'whitening'
12:45 asciilifeform why these folks renamed it, i cannot say.
12:45 asciilifeform !s whitening
12:45 assbot 15 results for 'whitening' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitening
12:45 asciilifeform ^ past threads
12:45 jurov wtf "difficult about reason"?
12:46 jurov Thus, it is possible to say that the resulting device is at least as secure as a CSPRNG, but, since we have a constant stream of new seeds, we can be confident that it is actually a better source of random numbers than a CSPRNG that is seeded less frequently.
12:46 asciilifeform 'whitening' an rng is mostly fooling yourself.
12:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#757057
12:47 assbot Logged on 15-07-2014 20:38:05; asciilifeform: Rassah: why are you using whitening (hashing) in rng? and 'because everyone does' is not acceptable answer.
12:47 jurov if it would be merely about von neumann, then ok
12:48 asciilifeform von neumann's balancer is not a whitener.
12:48 jurov but these people nave a need to construct such reasoning
12:48 jurov *have
12:48 asciilifeform (how and why it works is a primary school level mathematical proof. i recommend that anyone unfamiliar with it, try to derive)
12:48 jurov "the more often we seed it, the better"
12:49 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/16/go-ahead-jim-prentice-raise-taxes-in-alberta-and-see-if-by-2025-the-province-isnt-an-economic-shithole-like-quebec-and-ontario/ << what good is a blog if you can't take a run at local politicians, amirite?
12:49 assbot Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if by 2025 the province isn’t an economic shithole like Quebec and Ontario. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C81kEe )
12:49 pete_dushenski somehow ended up almost 2300 words in length
12:52 pete_dushenski gotta give the politicians something to chew on over the weekend
12:59 thestringpuller hey look a pete_dushenski
12:59 thestringpuller i see him more often now
12:59 thestringpuller Quebec is cool as fuck
12:59 pete_dushenski your eyes are just getting better
12:59 thestringpuller I <3 french canadians
13:00 pete_dushenski fantastic place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.
13:00 pete_dushenski so i visit pretty much every year
13:01 pete_dushenski thestringpuller where are you located again?
13:04 thestringpuller the lost city of Atlanta
13:06 thestringpuller !up mircea_popescu
13:06 pete_dushenski a yes, where that *other* very bad racist joo is trying to sell the basketball team
13:06 pete_dushenski levenson or something
13:07 thestringpuller i never knew he owned the hawks until recently
13:07 thestringpuller people aren't really complaining too heavily tho locally since the teams is actually good this season
13:07 thestringpuller fucking 60 bucks for nose bleed tickets
13:07 pete_dushenski what else is levenson known for?
13:07 mircea_popescu hallo
13:08 TomServo Is that the 'no, I assure you I'm racist' self-outing guy?
13:08 pete_dushenski lol yup
13:08 pete_dushenski apparently donald sterling is a bit of a trend setter
13:10 thestringpuller i srsly though the hawks were still owned by Ted Turner/Time Warner
13:10 thestringpuller thought*
13:10 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> and mp had direct contact with the man iirc << who this again ?
13:10 kakobrekla onerng or what was it
13:10 mircea_popescu well whos the guy ?
13:10 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. << guess/
13:11 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you're missing the point. he won't be there in 2025.
13:11 pete_dushenski there's no term limit in alberta
13:12 mircea_popescu right.
13:12 pete_dushenski though he could well be another fall guy
13:12 pete_dushenski like the last chick, lawyer whatever her name was
13:12 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> well whos the guy ? < fuck if i know. i just made a bet he wont reply, but he did. iirc.
13:13 kakobrekla not important any way.
13:13 mircea_popescu In the immortal rights of Moss, Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before."
13:14 mircea_popescu but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/67e27cfcdd4a64b5a0ca2e7000e540c4/tumblr_n7cv52cTok1r6rmfno1_500.gif
13:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZdHkC )
13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1444 @ 0.00069457 = 1.003 BTC [+] {4}
13:16 mircea_popescu "The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source." << gotta love the sweet innocence on display here tho.
13:16 mircea_popescu "why do we interact with the fantastic representations in our head rather than with the flesh and blood woman before us ? IT IS EASIER!"
13:16 mircea_popescu mmmmmyeah.
13:17 mircea_popescu it's not even "easy-difficulty" it's now "better-difficult". fucking psychotic generation already.
13:17 kakobrekla https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
13:17 assbot Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZeCS6 )
13:17 pete_dushenski same as the linear projection braindamage
13:18 pete_dushenski bandwidth, govn't revenue, same shit
13:18 pete_dushenski not enough art classes for kids so they get all obsessed with rulers and crayons as adults
13:18 pete_dushenski "look mom, i made a straight line to infinity!"
13:18 mircea_popescu "here's the temperatures in the past 30 years. on the basis of this, here's how the temperatures woud have been in the past 5000 years, if our presupositions are correct. on the basis of this, here's the story of the future : our presupositions are correct"
13:19 mircea_popescu herpy-derp an' a bottle of rum... well not rum. ginger ale.
13:19 pete_dushenski fizzy bubbly
13:20 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHUpsc5byg
13:20 assbot You Dont Mess With The Zohan - FIZZY BUBBLECH - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZfjL3 )
13:25 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/UPI << haxxed ?
13:25 assbot UPI.com (@UPI) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTS4C )
13:26 pete_dushenski "JUST IN: Bank of America CEO calls for calm: Savings accounts will not be affected by federal reserve decision."
13:26 pete_dushenski "Pope: "World War III has begun" "
13:26 pete_dushenski "US Joint Chief of staff: USS George Washington damaged, US navy now engaged in active combat against Chinese vessels in South China sea."
13:27 pete_dushenski ^i'm gonna go with yes
13:27 thestringpuller pete_dushenski 2016
13:27 thestringpuller vote for pete_dushenski !!!
13:28 pete_dushenski i already broke into the b-a lordship in 2014 so...
13:28 pete_dushenski :)
13:29 mircea_popescu lol
13:31 mircea_popescu http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/15/us-usa-internet-neutrality-exclusive-idUSKBN0KO2JO20150115
13:31 assbot Exclusive: White House says net neutrality legislation not needed| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUHKM )
13:31 mircea_popescu :D
13:31 mircea_popescu http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4111127 << lolz
13:32 assbot Vamos a morir Todos ; III guerra mundial - ForoCoches ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUNSu )
13:35 pete_dushenski it's gone viral!
13:37 mircea_popescu lol
13:37 pete_dushenski also, the white house "doesn't need" all kinds of things it can't do, like stop assad or whatever
13:37 asciilifeform !up midnightmagic
13:37 asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu
13:38 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it would seem the story there isthat obama knows that congress can be bought quite cheaply
13:38 mircea_popescu it's an unstable situation this, where the supposedly senior rulemaker is cheaper to buy than the supposedly junior partner.
13:39 mircea_popescu the solution are as always : either make the senior much richer (which really is not feasible) or break the relationship.
13:40 asciilifeform 'My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being.'
13:41 asciilifeform ( http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/09/19/the-heart-of-deterrence << old lol )
13:41 assbot The Heart of Deterrence | Restricted Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQWbV8 )
13:41 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu sorry, which relationship are you referring to here?
13:42 mircea_popescu congress-white house
13:42 pete_dushenski a yes
13:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform who's this idiot
13:42 pete_dushenski well obama might be the senior partner, but he's only one man
13:43 pete_dushenski which should conceivably always be cheaper than a whole hoard of congressmen
13:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some academic, quoted in longer piece
13:43 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski government is the junior partner by tradition / legislation
13:44 pete_dushenski and since the legislation is choking on its own vomit, the tradition is changing?
13:45 mircea_popescu maybe.
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33435 @ 0.00044609 = 14.915 BTC [+] {2}
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33435 @ 0.00044609 = 14.915 BTC [+] {2}
13:54 MetatronOne http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-fbi-cant-find-hackers-that-dont-smoke-pot
13:54 assbot The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap12EX )
13:54 MetatronOne how saad
13:55 mircea_popescu kinda old tho
13:55 MetatronOne well just saw it, had a lol
13:58 MetatronOne well atleast they can start smoking while undercover
13:58 mircea_popescu it's somehow the fashionable thing, i dunno.
14:04 undata this pot legality thing is just another american political football. no one ever had trouble getting weed, nor passing a drug test. its a distraction issue.
14:04 jurov rly, no one ever had trouble?
14:05 undata no one with a brain
14:05 asciilifeform at one point, doping test was more fashionable than today
14:05 asciilifeform and it was not necessary to work for usg per se to fall under it.
14:05 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/the-winkdex-btc-5000-or-more-in-2015/#c4500 lmap
14:05 assbot BitBet - The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015 :: 9.52 B (24%) on Yes, 30.87 B (76%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`394 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQZk7o )
14:06 undata asciilifeform: I guess I'm speaking as a guy in his 20s
14:07 undata I'm thinking of Oregon's legalization and how its lauded as some social victory
14:07 undata meh, life has not materially changed
14:08 asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu
14:09 undata you want to really change the world, legalize acid
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14:12 danielpbarron if legalizing stuff changed the world, it would be made illegal
14:12 jurov ;;ticker
14:12 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.56, Best ask: 206.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 206.86, 24 hour volume: 47784.00195866, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 223.15, 24 hour vwap: 210.245475383
14:12 jurov wow
14:16 mircea_popescu if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal
14:16 mircea_popescu i have half a mind to do it anyway.
14:17 asciilifeform ;;google we begin bombing in five minutes
14:17 gribble We begin bombing in five minutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes>; Ronald Reagan - We Begin Bombing In 5 Minutes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0>; Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv13ZnkpWos>
14:18 TomServo http://dailyhashrate.com/2015/01/16/adam-guerbuezs-big-news/
14:18 assbot Adam Guerbuez’s Big News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap61Fr )
14:18 TomServo heh
14:19 mircea_popescu lul wut ?
14:20 TomServo hadn't heard of dailyhashrate before, reads like bitcoin's onion
14:20 cazalla mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal <<<mosquitoes in BA?
14:21 mircea_popescu cazalla no, but i am not an egotist. i think of my fellow man
14:21 mircea_popescu and especially woman.
14:21 * asciilifeform suspects that most of the world's mosquitoes live not too far from him
14:21 cazalla talk is cheap! make them illegal, be a doer like bill gates
14:21 mircea_popescu TomServo welll... some guy i never heard of presented on some webpage i never saw before as important, turns out he's another gavin, doing parlour tricks atparties and whatnot.
14:22 mircea_popescu cazalla words are cheaper than laws that don't work!
14:23 TomServo I thought he was maybe North America's Dotcom knockoff.
14:23 asciilifeform 'That night I listened while a colonel explained the war in terms of protein. We were a nation of high-protein, meat-eating hunters, while the other guy just ate rice and a few grungy fish heads. We were going to club him to death with our meat; what could you say except, “Colonel, you’re insane”? … Doomsday celebs, technomaniac projectionists; chemicals, gases, lasers, sonic-electric ballbreakers that were still on th
14:23 asciilifeform e boards; and for back-up, deep in all their hearts, there were always the Nukes, they loved to remind you that we had some, “right here in-country.” Once I met a colonel who had a plan to shorten the war by dropping piranha into the paddies of the North. He was talking fish but his dreamy eyes were full of mega-death.'
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00044654 = 8.6629 BTC [+]
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14:25 mircea_popescu i wonder what the us army would look like on the ground if they actually started eating the afghanistani.
14:25 mircea_popescu "bring some dead isis to cook tonight"
14:25 asciilifeform remains in question who will be the cook, and who - the meal
14:26 mircea_popescu i dunno how inclined teh arabs would be to fight if losing means they're eaten.
14:26 asciilifeform do they give a damn re: being eaten? now pigburial may be another matter.
14:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
14:26 assbot Reagan tells Soviet jokes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7uf9 )
14:27 undata https://quranexplained.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/cannibalism-in-the-quran/ << dunno the veracity of this
14:27 assbot Cannibalism in the Quran | Quran Explained ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap7DiG )
14:28 mircea_popescu it's a huge no-no. you can't go into afterlife anymore.
14:28 mircea_popescu you, basically, BECOME sheep.
14:29 undata better than turned into an islamic woman
14:29 mircea_popescu no, not actually.
14:29 mircea_popescu that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field)
14:33 mircea_popescu the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol
14:36 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4 << kickass woman.
14:36 assbot Margaret Thatcher No No No - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ap9kN1 )
14:40 asciilifeform !up mircea_popescu
14:42 joecool i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway?
14:43 mircea_popescu i dont use gnupg2
14:43 asciilifeform 1.4
14:43 asciilifeform i do have 2 somewhere
14:44 asciilifeform but what is the horrible part ?
14:44 joecool 1.4 was decent for usability, 2 i am constantly fighting
14:44 mircea_popescu so use 1.4
14:44 asciilifeform fighting how and why ?
14:44 joecool asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments
14:44 joecool i can't do a static build
14:44 asciilifeform now the code is virtually unreadable, and this is true for all versions. no argument.
14:45 cazalla i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them?
14:45 mircea_popescu you don't undertand, it's optimized!
14:45 asciilifeform speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ?
14:45 mircea_popescu cazalla not particularly. unless you either have exclusivity, a scoop or actual documents,
14:45 mircea_popescu they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud.
14:46 joecool asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards
14:47 asciilifeform smartcards ?!
14:47 joecool yeah i know you hate them
14:48 joecool if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard
14:49 mircea_popescu that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem.
14:50 mircea_popescu nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve"
14:54 ben_vulpes good morning PinkPosixPXE
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3978 @ 0.00044654 = 1.7763 BTC [+]
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15:05 joecool mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see. both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing
15:08 joecool an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter)
15:10 xanthyos !up mircea_popescu
15:19 mircea_popescu joecool the 2nd's most concerning.
15:20 mircea_popescu entropy could be more important for encryption than signing.
15:20 mircea_popescu and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use.
15:21 mircea_popescu unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel.
15:24 joecool mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy
15:24 joecool but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it
15:25 mircea_popescu well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot.
15:25 mircea_popescu in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material.
15:37 PinkPosixPXE morning ben_vulpes .. sorry, I got pulled into a meeting hehe
15:37 PinkPosixPXE didn't mean to be impolite
15:38 PinkPosixPXE glad gribble is back
15:38 PinkPosixPXE and assbot
15:46 MetatronOne mircea_popescu> unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. | woah. what a way to ruin it!
15:46 mircea_popescu innit.
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16:05 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b4679dd86b61285c4233e5e2990391f/tumblr_mrbvb5QX9k1rlq2woo1_500.gif
16:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZVO5l )
16:07 teward mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.>
16:08 mircea_popescu teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ?
16:08 teward mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;)
16:08 * teward has privacy screens on either way but still
16:08 * teward is also *insanely* bored today in class
16:08 danielpbarron if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work
16:09 mircea_popescu please don't #bitcoin-assets in class.
16:09 teward mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.>
16:09 teward :P
16:09 teward (hot though)
16:09 * mircea_popescu is exceptionally not an asshole
16:09 mircea_popescu they say it about me tho!
16:10 mircea_popescu the government!
16:12 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
16:13 gribble Time since last block: 6 minutes and 29 seconds
16:22 ben_vulpes -assets is highly async, PinkPosixPXE - didn't read any impoliteness
16:23 mircea_popescu good logs promote that huh.
16:24 jurov i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then
16:25 jurov it was data capable, but plans were too expensive
16:25 mircea_popescu i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof.
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31686 @ 0.00044044 = 13.9558 BTC [-] {2}
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16:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2}
16:45 ben_vulpes http://io9.com/high-speed-video-reveals-the-source-of-that-incredible-1679834126
16:45 assbot High-Speed Video Reveals The Source Of That Incredible After-Rain Smell ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRbIUX )
16:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00043981 = 10.5554 BTC [-] {2}
16:58 ben_vulpes <kakobrekla> https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK << totally worth reposting
16:58 assbot Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRdBRz )
17:01 TomServo That must be the best use of vine to date.
17:03 ben_vulpes i love how they have precisely 1 vine
17:04 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/da1b72c5f0f91db82314623d9d05f6de/tumblr_n33ogusigd1rd6pezo1_500.jpg
17:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KReaee )
17:04 mircea_popescu speaking of ... wine.
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17:08 ben_vulpes love the cameraphone in the back there
17:09 mircea_popescu chicks face with the phone too.
17:11 ben_vulpes p lulzy
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17:25 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/#comment-7446
17:25 assbot It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1udziRn )
17:25 mircea_popescu the redditards are kinda too easy to poke fun at
17:34 danielpbarron http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sn71a/come_byhangout_and_tip_nsfw/cnr1fat
17:34 assbot Billistixx comments on Come by,hangout and tip! NSFW ... ( http://bit.ly/1udAqEI )
17:35 asciilifeform what is with reddit and the 'tipping' thing? is everyone 'roleplaying' a waiter, a bootblack ?
17:35 mircea_popescu on reddit ? yes.
17:36 asciilifeform what's the appeal ? i find it hard to picture any of them amassing any kind of serious coin this way
17:36 danielpbarron they feel like they are doing something
17:37 asciilifeform or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries
17:37 danielpbarron like johnny appleseed or something
17:37 danielpbarron johnny millibit
17:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education.
17:43 mircea_popescu not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college.
17:43 mircea_popescu same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin.
17:45 asciilifeform the part that's puzzling is - a classical cargo cult has 'the airplane flies', or an analogous prayed-for outcome
17:45 asciilifeform what do the reddit folks want ?
17:45 mircea_popescu "change the world"
17:45 mircea_popescu "innovate" "revolutionize"
17:45 mircea_popescu practically, everything turning to shit.
17:45 mircea_popescu also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough.
17:46 asciilifeform the earlier crowed of 'early adopting' cultist weirdos made considerably more sense to me. they just wanted 'to get rich,' i.e., to quit their jobs
17:46 davout they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun
17:46 asciilifeform *crowd
17:47 mircea_popescu yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical.
17:47 mircea_popescu early computer program almost made sense, even to me.
17:48 davout somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything...
17:49 mircea_popescu hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is.
17:49 mircea_popescu so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ?
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18:21 artifexd <asciilifeform> speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires.
18:21 asciilifeform go?
18:21 artifexd Yes
18:21 asciilifeform and shell-out ?!?!
18:21 artifexd Yes
18:21 asciilifeform that's deadly slow
18:21 asciilifeform per packet ?!?!
18:22 artifexd The shell out will be slow. Yup.
18:23 * asciilifeform will not be using this horror, will run his own client.
18:24 * asciilifeform is rather sad to learn what he just learned.
18:25 davout he just said it would be an option...
18:25 asciilifeform davout: read again
18:25 artifexd read what again? davout is correct.
18:25 davout "later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg"
18:26 asciilifeform davout: 1) his gizmo is in 'go', a google-proprietary turdlang 2) he's using its built-in crypto routines 3) if you don't like this, have fun waiting 300-500msec/packet using the shell-callout
18:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ knew this ?
18:26 artifexd I'm not going to write in lisp.
18:26 asciilifeform i wouldn't either
18:26 artifexd He said "write it in whatever you want as long as it compiles on linux"
18:27 davout is go proprietary?
18:27 asciilifeform the original rfc also mentioned specifically use of gpg cryptoroutines
18:27 artifexd Yeah. Hence the shell out.
18:27 davout iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho
18:28 asciilifeform 'go' is a turd that i will not have on my systems.
18:28 asciilifeform along with 'java', 'c#', etc.
18:28 davout rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection"
18:29 artifexd I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with.
18:29 asciilifeform cross-compiling ?
18:29 asciilifeform why?
18:29 artifexd Because I'm writing it.
18:29 asciilifeform yes, but why cross?
18:30 asciilifeform what are you developing on? a vax ?
18:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea, it's an open spec.
18:30 artifexd My daily dev machine is Windows.
18:30 asciilifeform !b 1
18:30 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2H031NX.txt )
18:30 artifexd My alternate dev machine is OSX.
18:30 artifexd I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing.
18:30 mircea_popescu go for windows ?
18:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ?
18:31 asciilifeform i don't run other folks' binaries.
18:31 artifexd go compiles on the big os's. Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD
18:31 mircea_popescu right.
18:31 asciilifeform and i fucking hate turdlangs.
18:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can you be specific ?
18:31 mircea_popescu i know about as much of go as i know about hawaii.
18:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a google-proprietary language similar to 'd.'
18:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nominally open-source, but in the same sense as apple's 'darwin' kernel - that is, nobody who isn't paid, reads it
18:32 mircea_popescu so c is a gnu proprietary language ? what's a proprietary language ?
18:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: massive megalith of vendor libs, that one is expected to use
18:33 mircea_popescu so it has open compiler but not open libs ?
18:33 artifexd All the libs are open
18:33 asciilifeform it's all, theoretically, open
18:33 mircea_popescu wouldn't one expect the libs also compile ?!
18:33 asciilifeform but developed exclusively, afaik, for x86 and arm
18:33 mircea_popescu ...
18:33 mircea_popescu what else is there ?!
18:33 asciilifeform the free world.
18:34 mircea_popescu ... i run x86 ? don't you ?
18:34 asciilifeform i run virtually every arch i know of.
18:34 mircea_popescu and right now ?
18:34 asciilifeform 86
18:34 asciilifeform but would like the option of getting off it. esp. for particular applications.
18:34 mircea_popescu so what do you want to run it on ?
18:35 asciilifeform as discussed a few days ago, i recently installed a mips64 router.
18:35 asciilifeform would like, for example, to run on that.
18:35 mircea_popescu mips gossipd ?
18:35 asciilifeform incidentally everything that runs on it, is built on it.
18:35 asciilifeform yes.
18:35 mircea_popescu that pretty much means c - only you realise ?
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18:35 asciilifeform yes.
18:35 asciilifeform it is in fact possible to write correct 'c', you know.
18:36 mircea_popescu well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick.
18:36 mircea_popescu at least it's not ruby.
18:36 asciilifeform i didn't commission the thing, lol
18:36 davout mircea_popescu: what's so wrong with ruby anyway?
18:36 asciilifeform was sorta trying to keep my dirty hands off it
18:37 mircea_popescu apparently go is acutally used on mips ?
18:37 asciilifeform it quite possibly can be made to run on bigengian mips
18:37 mircea_popescu davout let's keep the drama one strand at a time
18:37 asciilifeform it didn't even occur to me that anyone would write such a thing in anything other than c
18:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform openwrt apparently
18:37 davout i was about to add 'specifically?' :D
18:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so other people like other languages, big whoop.
18:39 asciilifeform it isn't simply an 'other language', it's a massive toolchain created and maintained by a usg satrap.
18:39 asciilifeform and used scarcely anywhere else
18:40 asciilifeform i know of no reason to put one lick of trust in its crypto libs, for example.
18:40 mircea_popescu well, conversely, now they get to be reviewed.
18:40 asciilifeform by whom ?
18:40 mircea_popescu apparently first ever.
18:40 mircea_popescu by you lol
18:40 asciilifeform nope.
18:40 mircea_popescu you won't run it or read it ?
18:41 asciilifeform i'll run own client. (will tweak it for compatibility with the rest of you, when i have a little time.) and invite anyone who wishes, to read.
18:41 mircea_popescu so basically you want to write your own c variant ?
18:42 asciilifeform i mostly have.
18:42 mircea_popescu well so why do you want him to also write it in c ? go is a better choice neh ?
18:42 asciilifeform better choice ?!
18:42 mircea_popescu well yes. that way it gets implemented in two languages.
18:44 * asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell
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18:45 mircea_popescu but i still dunno wtf is wrong with it. so, it has open compiler. it has open libraries.
18:45 mircea_popescu supposedly nobody ever read these
18:45 mircea_popescu well... guess what ? nobody ever read fucking linux, either.
18:45 asciilifeform it wasn't around in '89. won't build on a vax.
18:46 asciilifeform basically, does not predate the age of corruption.
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2121 @ 0.00069632 = 1.4769 BTC [+] {4}
18:46 mircea_popescu listen, if you don't start fucking girls born after X at some point, you'll be stuck in wrinkle heaven.
18:46 asciilifeform and tainted with known satanic minion's juice.
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3850 @ 0.0006986 = 2.6896 BTC [+] {6}
18:46 mircea_popescu anything specific re juice ?
18:46 asciilifeform google
18:46 mircea_popescu no, that's vague lol.
18:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1729 @ 0.00070141 = 1.2127 BTC [+] {2}
18:47 asciilifeform not that vague. google brass dine with the fuhrer regularly, etc. this is well-known.
18:47 mircea_popescu dude you can't impeach people on the grounds that they ate with hitler.
18:47 asciilifeform not merely ate.
18:48 asciilifeform google is the i.g.farben of this particular hitler.
18:48 mircea_popescu well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue.
18:48 asciilifeform and fella uses a winblows box for daily life ?!?!
18:49 asciilifeform someone still remains here in #b-a, of such a habit?
18:49 asciilifeform i confess, never imagined this could be.
18:49 mircea_popescu well it's basically like an older ubuntu.
18:49 asciilifeform l0l!
18:49 mircea_popescu trust people, ignore things eh ?
18:50 mircea_popescu if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand.
18:50 asciilifeform but suppose he lubricates the razor in his own liquid shit.
18:50 asciilifeform will still 'trust the man, ignore the things' ?
18:50 mircea_popescu can you point to this ?
18:50 mircea_popescu and dun say "google" again lol.
18:51 asciilifeform let's say, specifically the use of questionable crypto routines
18:51 mircea_popescu if only great wautu blessed us with some unquestionable crypto routines.
18:51 asciilifeform lol
18:52 mircea_popescu anyway. guy can use whatever crypto routines he's comfortable with, on the general understanding that he's read them and is actually comfortable with them
18:52 mircea_popescu as opposed to... well... it's what the build pulled in.
18:52 asciilifeform i'll save the rest for when artifexd posts his apparatus.
18:53 asciilifeform don't want to discourage people - but also can't see wtf is wrong with using same environment gpg was written and built in.
18:53 mircea_popescu seems a reasonable approach tbh, but generally people should free to use whatever they wish to use.
18:54 artifexd How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.
18:54 asciilifeform doesn't generate keys?!
18:54 mircea_popescu artifexd weak encryption altogether.
18:54 asciilifeform where do the ephemeral keys come from
18:54 asciilifeform or the blockcipher symmetrics?
18:55 mircea_popescu artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto.
18:55 artifexd I'm talking about the identity keys.
18:55 asciilifeform them - sure. but they are not the only keys.
18:56 mircea_popescu even if you use rsa-only keys, you can rsa-encrypt a message so that it's easier to break but still decryptable by destination.
18:56 mircea_popescu numerous attacks/approaches for this purpose.
18:56 asciilifeform this is very easy to achieve.
18:56 artifexd Can you do it?
18:56 artifexd Can you explain to me how *I* could do it?
18:57 artifexd Point me to education?
18:57 asciilifeform artifexd: certainly. search for term of art 'kleptography.'
18:57 * mircea_popescu is in awe at discussion suddenly turned productive.
18:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform good time to be very speciffic.
18:58 mircea_popescu Using Cryptography Against Cryptography. Adam Young and Moti Yung.
18:58 asciilifeform artifexd: i recommend a particular monograph, 'malicious crypto' by a. l. young & moti m. young.
18:58 mircea_popescu hah
18:58 asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu inb4
18:59 asciilifeform artifexd: well-thumbed copy of this right here on my desk. beautiful book, if you skip all the parts that must have been thrown in to give it a sensational/saleable 'seekoority' flavour (vignette about h4xx0rz shuffling floppies around in ch.1, mostly)
18:59 asciilifeform artifexd: the most basic 'kleptography' takes the form of slipping bits of key into variables which are normally random. but there are more subtle channels.
18:59 asciilifeform (term of art 'covert channel')
19:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got a link to that hacking course thing that was crypto oriented ?
19:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can remember more specific ?
19:00 mircea_popescu i been looking for it magically can't find it. the one that had the rsa break in the last fascicle
19:01 artifexd Book purchased.
19:01 asciilifeform !s pollard rho
19:01 assbot 1 results for 'pollard rho' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pollard+rho
19:01 asciilifeform damn, thought it might have been in that thread
19:01 mircea_popescu nono it was a course, you were supposed to email your results
19:01 asciilifeform hm
19:02 asciilifeform i definitely remember that this existed.
19:02 artifexd http://cryptopals.com/
19:02 assbot The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8npC3 )
19:02 asciilifeform artifexd found it.
19:02 mircea_popescu there we go!
19:02 asciilifeform ty
19:02 artifexd http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792968
19:02 assbot Logged on 12-08-2014 15:50:28; artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up
19:02 mircea_popescu stupid fucking name. anyway, towards the end there's some good foundational stuff. perhaps not directly useful for the purpose at hand, but very good to get your head swiveled in the right position
19:02 mircea_popescu re crypto vulnerability.
19:03 mircea_popescu lol it was HIS link ?
19:03 mircea_popescu ahjahaha
19:03 asciilifeform bleichenbacher's oracle, in particular
19:04 artifexd I will pause coding to read "Malicious Crypto" and finish the course. I'll report back when I'm done and made a decision re: golang's crypto libraries.
19:08 asciilifeform http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech/Malicious%20Cryptography%20-%20Exposing%20Cryptovirology.pdf
19:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8ol9L )
19:08 asciilifeform ^ w4r3z
19:09 asciilifeform http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech << many classic and otherwise interesting pieces
19:09 assbot Index of /depot_madchat/vxdevl/avtech ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8oslC )
19:10 asciilifeform http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/interviews << interviews with old-school crapware artists, somewhat interesting zoology
19:10 assbot Index of /depot_madchat/vxdevl/interviews ... ( http://bit.ly/1E8ozxA )
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19:17 asciilifeform ';Urko is a dog. Urko is one of my best friends. Urko is a fantastic dog becoz sometimes..... Urko SPEAKS! Urko is very timid and only speaks to me...and not always...urko only speaks when both,urko and me,we start to smoke that rare cigarretes that urko has. Then urko start to speak a lot of :) and we stay all night speaking,smoking and seeing films orplaying trivial pursuit,or coding,or doing a lot of things :)'
19:17 asciilifeform (source: http://repo.hackerzvoice.net/depot_madchat/vxdevl/vxsrc/Win32/win32.Urk0/win32.Urk0.asm )
19:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1uauQsn )
19:18 asciilifeform next time contemplating the raving insanity of 'reddit' bitcoin users, etc. - read these.
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19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13876 @ 0.00042036 = 5.8329 BTC [-] {2}
19:26 * asciilifeform often wonders what happened to those people.
19:28 mircea_popescu sounds like that much acid.
19:28 asciilifeform evidently not too much acid, because - they ran.
19:28 mircea_popescu ballmer's constant, but for acid.
19:29 asciilifeform where are these kids now.
19:29 asciilifeform can't all be dead.
19:30 mircea_popescu sheeit!
19:43 kakobrekla anyway, the wot has been forked into assbot and is running now
19:43 asciilifeform kakobrekla: congrats !
19:43 mircea_popescu yay
19:43 kakobrekla that means we are no longer depended on gribble
19:44 kakobrekla and some changes have been made.
19:44 asciilifeform are these synchro-forks or fork-forks ?
19:44 kakobrekla as ascii pointe out, session is bad so there is no more that.
19:44 kakobrekla each auth worth command gets own otp
19:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the idea is to import gribble's wot but mark it as gribble's, and allow others to import assbot's wot.
19:44 kakobrekla worthy*
19:44 mircea_popescu i'll get on nano's case to see if he's willing to put it all into gribble.
19:45 kakobrekla for example, i have upped myself via pm, yet;
19:45 kakobrekla !rate mircea_popescu -10 scammer
19:45 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1f7f6d235233d678
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19:45 mircea_popescu o yay
19:45 mircea_popescu duuude...
19:45 asciilifeform neato!
19:45 kakobrekla !verify assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.-10:61751f23d45137825f4ecd78de4a6afb42d01c5d9c6b802b6ec6f4b135e47504
19:45 assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 3 to -10 with note: scammer
19:45 mircea_popescu this is almost as if someone sat down and thought about it.
19:46 kakobrekla !rate mircea_popescu 5 good fella
19:46 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d625cacf59990e9f
19:46 kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.5:1676039169b957f6a18439b6daeade5919887f01b82d832f7b01e7e97885216c
19:46 assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from -10 to 5 with note: good fella
19:46 kakobrekla !rated mircea_popescu
19:46 assbot You rated user mircea_popescu on 16-Dec-2012, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: good fella.
19:46 kakobrekla !gettrust mircea_popescu
19:46 assbot Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 47 via 31 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/kakobrekla/mircea_popescu | http://w.b-a.link/user/mircea_popescu
19:46 kakobrekla !gettrust assbot mircea_popescu
19:46 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 27 via 27 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mircea_popescu | http://w.b-a.link/user/mircea_popescu
19:46 mircea_popescu fcking hell ?!
19:47 kakobrekla there is also !unrate and !changekey
19:47 mircea_popescu ok this is like splendid
19:47 asciilifeform kakobrekla: how does changekey work ?
19:47 mircea_popescu kakobrekla can it have another field, the user json ?
19:48 mircea_popescu [source] =>
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19:48 mircea_popescu with possible values "Gribble" "Assbot" so far ?
19:48 kakobrekla !changekey CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A
19:48 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9493f77dcc359a13
19:48 kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.cb39a1b24f01ade0a597552d70c68a9048079d7a:f08dfbbdc1e3292ded6d3e8072857f50c284aa922832b4329354bd5cb54b45c7
19:48 assbot Key 48079D7A / "test test <test@test>" successfully imported.
19:48 assbot New key fingerprint for kakobrekla is: CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A
19:49 kakobrekla !changekey 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
19:49 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5fcd835b15264557
19:49 kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.27c3ce9a20851312f086268c27af75321f2489e8:bfef481697fe5e3612c388f8d894f2d1d624e57cf99c1545f9a65b98ce076a62
19:49 assbot No changes, key already exists.
19:49 kakobrekla bah!
19:50 kakobrekla imm just hax this manually.
19:50 kakobrekla asciilifeform satisfactory answer ?
19:50 asciilifeform aha
19:51 asciilifeform neato!
19:52 kakobrekla mircea_popescu what do you mean 'source' ?
19:52 kakobrekla what is the value of source
19:53 PeterL I did it!
19:54 kakobrekla cool
19:56 kakobrekla ah forgot to mention, otps can be executed out of order, but they are valid only for 15 min
19:57 kakobrekla and you dont have to be on chan to use it.
19:58 kakobrekla also if we downrate someone to l2=0 you should be able to !down immediately now, although i havent tested it.
19:59 mircea_popescu kakobrekla as in, if the rating was given via here, or imported from gribble's db
19:59 kakobrekla ah that
20:00 kakobrekla i guess i can add tat.
20:00 kakobrekla that
20:00 mircea_popescu would be useful. then we have gribble-assbot talk to each other via diffs
20:00 mircea_popescu and both can display both.
20:01 kakobrekla ah and another detail, if you noticed there is no place to specify your 'wot' nick
20:01 kakobrekla which means you irc nick is your wot nick
20:01 kakobrekla or shit wont fly.
20:01 mircea_popescu right.
20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00042168 = 17.0359 BTC [+] {3}
20:01 mircea_popescu !rated kakobrekla
20:01 assbot You rated user kakobrekla on 03-Mar-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: too much stuff to list. inquire within..
20:01 mircea_popescu ah i'm so happy :D
20:02 kakobrekla yeah your political strike was totally worth it.
20:02 mircea_popescu defo.
20:02 PeterL so the link is different every time?
20:03 kakobrekla yes
20:03 kakobrekla you can request 10 commands, take them all at once to airgap
20:03 kakobrekla do the jizlle and bring them back
20:04 kakobrekla well 10 = n
20:04 mircea_popescu yeah the old way had the advantage of automation, but this has the more significant advantage of airgap
20:04 kakobrekla just an example.
20:04 mircea_popescu heh, too slow eh
20:04 kakobrekla is it so hard to read off the link?
20:04 mircea_popescu nop.
20:05 kakobrekla i could do /otps/$nick and list active ones
20:05 kakobrekla if it helps.
20:05 danielpbarron maybe make the voice one always use the same url?
20:05 mircea_popescu can't hurt. leave all these for a 2nd version down the road.
20:05 mircea_popescu do as a batch
20:06 PeterL having the same for voice would make it so our scripts from gribble would be easily convirtable
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20:06 danielpbarron does upping and downing others require auth?
20:06 kakobrekla voice is sessioned
20:06 mircea_popescu !down danielpbarron
20:06 mircea_popescu works fine
20:06 kakobrekla !up Adlai
20:07 kakobrekla !down Adlai
20:07 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development.
20:09 cazalla i have birthday guests in the next 30m so if BingoBoingo can otherwise i'll catch up on logs this evening and write up whatever it is that needs doing
20:09 mircea_popescu o hey, happy bday.
20:09 danielpbarron i especially like how changekey now requires auth
20:10 cazalla mircea_popescu, not mine, my son's first birthday :)
20:10 mircea_popescu gribble does too neh ?
20:10 mircea_popescu cazalla even more yours then!
20:10 danielpbarron nope
20:10 mircea_popescu ...
20:10 cazalla not really, these 20 odd people are going to mess up my clean home :\
20:10 danielpbarron if i'm session authed with gribble and someone hacks my irc, they can change my key
20:10 cazalla anyway.. shower time and then to play host and patriarch, bbl
20:11 danielpbarron i figured that was why you always logged out when not chatting
20:11 asciilifeform the changekey thing leaves something to be desired.
20:12 asciilifeform if i want to change keys, i should have to specifically sign a message to that effect.
20:12 asciilifeform or is that how it already works, nm.
20:12 danielpbarron that's how it now works
20:13 asciilifeform aha.
20:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00043393 = 12.8877 BTC [+] {2}
20:22 PeterL does assbot log ratings changes anywhere?
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00041356 = 29.0112 BTC [-] {6}
20:25 kakobrekla whats next, a nuclear sub delivered 2 days before your order while paying you 500$?
20:25 kakobrekla but could be done.
20:25 kakobrekla !rate assbot 10 test
20:25 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f4c7a7785fd43f96
20:27 mircea_popescu lol nucular soob!
20:28 mircea_popescu !rated assbot
20:28 assbot You rated user assbot on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Nice ass & face bot..
20:28 mircea_popescu !rate assbot 10 Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500
20:28 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08d27186c6ed6b39
20:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla totallyput a \n after otps
20:28 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.assbot.10:e33f37ce0c6349c2ff073951a8cd8907102c1ccbe4996cad4061ed1e6fc1d310
20:28 assbot Successfully updated the rating for assbot from 1 to 10 with note: Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500
20:30 kakobrekla !rate assbot 10 test
20:30 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/46ae34a617b1519d
20:30 kakobrekla !rate assbot 10 test
20:30 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ec89a1090cd1b971
20:30 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa4d42e55dc9d8cd59ee2249f05f5de0/tumblr_n5a2vslCDP1sa3bwyo1_500.gif
20:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LoDXt )
20:31 kakobrekla http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/
20:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LoQK4 )
20:31 kakobrekla here bitches. static link.
20:32 mircea_popescu most recent ?
20:32 kakobrekla o wait i have to encrypt those.
20:32 mircea_popescu ah json. werx.
20:33 kakobrekla ah links ?
20:33 kakobrekla ok
20:33 kakobrekla ill put links
20:33 mircea_popescu yeh links prolly easier, oner per line
20:34 mircea_popescu people can go curl http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/ | curl | gpg
20:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LpEPa )
20:34 mircea_popescu perhaps with some awk thrown in
20:35 kakobrekla http://w.b-a.link/otps/kakobrekla/
20:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LpXcT )
20:35 kakobrekla thar fixd
20:35 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development. << lemme catch up on what the news is and I'll hammer something out.
20:38 asciilifeform http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-November/018670.html << somehow missed this
20:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LqRWD )
20:39 asciilifeform (for crypto aficionados ^)
20:42 asciilifeform vaguely credible evidence that usg puts to use ecc internally, but no suggestion of with what curves.
20:42 asciilifeform alternatively, elaborate desinfo.
20:47 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2015#979842
20:47 assbot Logged on 17-01-2015 00:48:07; mircea_popescu: [source] =>
20:47 kakobrekla done ^^
20:48 kakobrekla i dared to manually alter source of your rating here http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
20:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/14LtUya )
20:49 kakobrekla others will be assbot sourced automatically from now on.
20:52 kakobrekla btw this line kept going through my head while coding
20:52 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#967758
20:52 assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 04:03:56; asciilifeform: trust is simply an obsolete, pre-scientific word.
20:52 kakobrekla but then i forgot to ask wtf am i to do.
20:53 kakobrekla still open to changes if needs be.
20:59 BingoBoingo Who all collborated on asswot? Did you do it all kakobrekla?
21:00 kakobrekla myea
21:00 BingoBoingo K
21:07 mircea_popescu splendor
21:08 mircea_popescu so ima send a btc to assbot's 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
21:08 mircea_popescu further contributions encouraged!
21:08 thestringpuller is it open source?
21:09 mircea_popescu trust is good. what, fucking is also an obsolete, pre-scientific word. slides right down nevertheless.
21:10 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/
21:10 BingoBoingo ^ And on that note I'm headed out for a bit.
21:13 kakobrekla ty
21:14 kakobrekla updated the welcome message (took out gribble part) and removed ddos warning , i think its gone again?
21:14 artifexd Snowden worked at the NSA until June 2013. GPG 1.4.13 was committed on 2012-12-20. GPG 1.4.14 was committed on 2013-07-25.d
21:14 artifexd mircea_popescu: 1.4.13 is acceptable and 1.4.14 is not, correct?
21:15 kakobrekla hows that ?
21:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37657 @ 0.00043023 = 16.2012 BTC [+]
21:15 kakobrekla snowden broke gpg somehow ?
21:16 artifexd I believe the point is that Snowden didn't say gpg was compromised. However it could have been compromised since he left. Only mircea_popescu knows mircea_popescu's motivation for that spec though.
21:17 asciilifeform there is always the option of actually studying the changelog.
21:17 asciilifeform not a bad idea in any case
21:17 artifexd That is what I'm looking at right now.
21:17 artifexd http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/STABLE-BRANCH-1-4
21:17 assbot git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/shortlog ... ( http://bit.ly/14LB1Xd )
21:18 kakobrekla its not like changelog will say "hax was inserted here"
21:18 asciilifeform kakobrekla: lol
21:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00042089 = 17.488 BTC [-] {2}
21:28 mircea_popescu artifexd it's not a strict thing, more like a general consideration. i doubt they managed to react fast enough to do much to 4.14
21:28 mircea_popescu anyway, the point is that gpg was widely used for the snowden leaks. this indicates that a major player trusted it, and was right in so doing ; and suggests a major target for that reason alone.
21:29 kakobrekla meh snowden leaks could just as well be disinfo
21:29 mircea_popescu i know for a fact the usg did not know what was in the leaks until their press agents told em
21:29 mircea_popescu anything could be anything. but my arbitrary sez no.
21:30 * kakobrekla does the sexygingers dance
21:33 asciilifeform re: disinfo: http://imgur.com/dXtnSoJ
21:33 assbot disinfo - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/14LFDN3 )
21:33 asciilifeform seems like pretty obvious case thereof.
21:37 undata asciilifeform: apparently this google device on my desk is impenetrable. who knew
21:37 undata I'll stop worrying when it automatically opts me back into location history tracking
21:39 asciilifeform if that slide deck is genuine, i've a bridge to sell.
21:49 mircea_popescu zrtp bs.
21:50 asciilifeform incidentally, z is for zimmerman.
21:50 asciilifeform who, by all indications, was swallowed some time ago.
21:50 mircea_popescu myea
21:52 asciilifeform in my diseased mind, the parsimonious hypothesis is that there is actually an nsa where that deck was genuinely crapped out by earnest monkeys who believe every word.
21:52 asciilifeform (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before)
21:53 * asciilifeform would like to see the -other- slide deck.
21:53 asciilifeform or perhaps -those- folks don't go in for 'powerpoint.'
21:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you find it interesting that, despite the legend of snowden having used gpg, we have no signatures from him pertaining to any of the material ?
21:54 asciilifeform he could easily, if he wished, demonstrate what the genuine material was, and what has been doctored or made up wholesale.
21:55 asciilifeform this is assuming that we have a reasonably certain copy of his pubkey pre-dating the events. which, iirc, we do.
21:59 thestringpuller decentralized bitbet?
21:59 thestringpuller http://augur.link/augur.pdf
22:02 danielpbarron such a thing is not possible; there needs to be an arbiter to decide if a bet has resolved yes or no
22:03 thestringpuller but that's what oracles are for
22:03 asciilifeform 'A key feature of Augur is tradeable Reputation. The total amount of Reputation is a fixed quantity, determined upon the launch of Augur. Holding Reputation entitles its owner to report on the outcomes of events, after the events occur. Reputation tokens are similar in other respects to Bitcoins: they are divisible to eight decimal places, they are accounted for by summing over unspent transaction outputs, and they can be sent
22:03 asciilifeform between users.'
22:03 asciilifeform ^ lol!
22:03 asciilifeform srsly ?
22:04 thestringpuller danielpbarron is in party. regenerate 5 hp per turn. :D
22:04 thestringpuller caise ypi
22:04 thestringpuller cause you're a crypto priest*
22:04 danielpbarron decentralized bitbet like counterparty is decentralized mpex; just replaces the infrastructure (with something worse)
22:05 asciilifeform i'm not averse to seeing actual solutions to 'decentralized xxxxx,' but they inevitably fall short re: 'democracy-proofing'
22:05 asciilifeform who wants democracy pus in his meal ?
22:05 thestringpuller !s democracy-proofing
22:05 assbot 0 results for 'democracy-proofing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=democracy-proofing
22:06 thestringpuller care to elaborate sir asciilifeform ?
22:06 thestringpuller or is it Dr. asciilifeform
22:06 asciilifeform aka sybil, dos, etc. attacks
22:06 asciilifeform !s sybil
22:06 assbot 34 results for 'sybil' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sybil
22:06 asciilifeform there we go.
22:06 thestringpuller how does that prevent democracy? (a sybil attack)?
22:07 asciilifeform the basic idea is that meat puppets are not in any fundamental way different from other types of puppet.
22:07 asciilifeform and must be dealt with through same mechanisms.
22:08 asciilifeform the 'tradeable reputation' thing sounds disastrous.
22:08 asciilifeform perhaps i'm just thick.
22:08 thestringpuller ah. i understand your viewpoint tho.
22:08 thestringpuller it all depends on volume of puppet imo.
22:08 thestringpuller or maybe everyone is a puppet of some sort. that's a little beyond me tho
22:09 asciilifeform in point of fact, even our system of reputation (wot) is theoretically 'tradeable', in that somebody could - in principle - sell his privkey to satan
22:09 danielpbarron of course it's disastrous; it's like giving the -otc folk power based on their total rating score (which they build up through trivial deals)
22:09 asciilifeform but baking tradeability in as a matter of course - is another thing
22:09 asciilifeform lunacy, imho
22:09 thestringpuller isn't this classic dilemma of selling soul for some benefit/value
22:09 thestringpuller you only have one to trade.
22:10 asciilifeform which they build up through trivial deals << aha. this is actually an age-old plague on 'ebay' and the like.
22:10 thestringpuller tis also irreverisble in nature.
22:10 asciilifeform sc4mz0r cultivates rating with 100,000 'a+++++ gr34t d34lz'
22:10 asciilifeform of fivebux each
22:10 asciilifeform then proceeds to sell, e.g., nonexisting cars.
22:10 danielpbarron the joke in otc is "Smooth TM"
22:11 thestringpuller this is how athero was able to launch ziggap
22:11 thestringpuller he sold shares in non existant broker bitcoin selling thing compan
22:11 thestringpuller y
22:11 thestringpuller ;;gettrust aethero
22:11 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user aethero: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 0 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012
22:12 danielpbarron what with all the hard fork drama, i'd say anything that can be kept centralized should probably remain centralized
22:12 thestringpuller danielpbarron: i think the hardfork drama is fundamentally seeing split, or cold war in bitcoin
22:13 thestringpuller east vs. west.
22:13 thestringpuller capitalist vs. socialist
22:13 thestringpuller etc.
22:13 asciilifeform i have said before that an official usg altcoin is inevitable.
22:13 asciilifeform gavincoin's probably it.
22:13 thestringpuller yet we'll still pay taxes in bezzles?
22:14 asciilifeform thestringpuller: gavincoin is not made to replace usd, but to bleed bitcoin
22:14 thestringpuller ofc, but USG coin that is used to also do what? annoy us out of our money like some comcast nonsenese?
22:14 asciilifeform you will have to ask the fellow who thought it up
22:15 asciilifeform once he sits down on mircea_popescu's stake.
22:15 asciilifeform perhaps he'll do a q&a
22:15 danielpbarron "I am slowely being impaled on a sharped stake. Ask me anything."
22:15 asciilifeform !b 5
22:15 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0VE53AD.txt )
22:17 thestringpuller asciilifeform: I do not see how anyone will contribute to usgavincoin when Buterin's waterfall explodes right after inception.
22:17 thestringpuller Spend X money to build hoover dam and it explodes less than a year while runnign?
22:17 asciilifeform seems clear that they'll pour the water on the other side.
22:17 asciilifeform not on their own. (of the fork)
22:18 thestringpuller But isn't this like someone trying to power a water wheel by simply running up stream with buckets of water they collect downstream?
22:18 asciilifeform collected.
22:18 asciilifeform or rather, robbed.
22:18 danielpbarron there are plenty of people who are so focused on "mass adoption" as a priority that they will compromise any and all aspects of bitcoin to further that goal; what would get more mass adoption than endorsement from USG?
22:18 thestringpuller It's still non-trivial effort tho, to run long term
22:19 thestringpuller and wasteful. like fast explosion vs slow ember
22:19 thestringpuller at least in my mind
22:19 asciilifeform i'm not seeing any serious evidence of 'long-term' thinking on usg's part.
22:19 thestringpuller i can only imagine poor peon running up stream trying to keep water wheel moving
22:20 asciilifeform i can easily picture an 'atomic war' where every btc which usg has at some point begged, borrowed, stole, or can prevail upon a vassal to give up control of - will be placed on market in a 'last hurrah'
22:21 thestringpuller danielpbarron: re: mass adoption << I always felt people wanted mass adoption so price raises.
22:21 thestringpuller Which is perverted thinking at best.
22:22 thestringpuller starving marvin in kenya buys a bitcoin with his 50000 kenyan shillings he saved up over the course of 5 years...
22:23 danielpbarron i don't think they are so rational; i suspect it has more to do with "going viral" like a clever youtube video, and having been in on it before it was trendy
22:23 danielpbarron although 2014 might have put an end to that
22:25 thestringpuller i never understood when going viral became the equivalent of becoming valuable...
22:26 asciilifeform from the standpoint of vermin - yes, valuable
22:26 asciilifeform all vermin envy the virus.
22:26 thestringpuller black plague for all?
22:26 thestringpuller but in all srsns, i thought the "popularity contest" died out by the end of high school
22:27 thestringpuller now it seems the popularity contest is "the thing"
22:28 thestringpuller 22:13 <+asciilifeform> i have said before that an official usg altcoin is
22:29 thestringpuller ^- my bad. copy paste is bad with this one
22:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before) << like 5 or 7 times.
22:40 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: such a thing is not possible; there needs to be an arbiter to decide if a bet has resolved yes or no << easier to "invent" stuff than understand stuff. just like it's easier to write new code than understand coding.
22:42 mircea_popescu "whenever misreporting an event is worth more to your stake than it costs to buy back the lost reputation, you misreport the event. decentralized selective scamming ftw!"
22:43 mircea_popescu "others will not readily understand how our implementation of 3 card monte is an implementation of 3 card monte, giving us an exploitable knowledge asymmetry - which makes this exactly an altcoin, which is why it's sensible to pretend we're like bitcoin"
22:43 mircea_popescu etc
22:45 mircea_popescu thestringpuller: this is how athero was able to launch ziggap << not a very good example. he had amassed trust over time, and likely at a higher cost than what he made out of it. the controlling factor there was "insane guy stopped taking his pills one day."
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00041938 = 2.5582 BTC [-]
22:46 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i couldn't find good example on top of head. but was jist of it received?
22:46 mircea_popescu sure
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gavincoin's probably it. << no. in typical fashion they're trying to play it "anonymously". ie, not official.
22:47 mircea_popescu it really gets them the worst of both worlds, but hey, it's what committees get. no actual men there to take charge.
22:48 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: there are plenty of people who are so focused on "mass adoption" as a priority that they will compromise any and all aspects of bitcoin to further that goal; what would get more mass adoption than endorsement from USG? << it could become a new brand of tide.
22:48 mircea_popescu "bitcoin is now a detergent. finally a commodity !!!"
22:50 asciilifeform they're trying to play it "anonymously". ie, not official << with pretense every bit as thin as with 'tor'.
22:51 mircea_popescu hence worst of both worlds.
22:58 xiando I would prefer if they don't endorse that or anything and leave it alone.
22:59 mircea_popescu nothing gets left alone.
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00041938 = 20.0673 BTC [-]
23:04 xiando I know, but I don't have to like it. :)
23:04 mircea_popescu :p
23:04 mircea_popescu hence the "leave britny alone" meme.
23:06 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
23:06 assbot LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9dpcq )
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58803 @ 0.00042896 = 25.2241 BTC [+] {2}
23:19 mircea_popescu so there's a small statue in buenos aires with a san martin quote i absolutely love.
23:20 mircea_popescu "De lo que mis granaderos son capaces, solo lo sé yo. Quien los iguale habrá. Quien los exceda - no."
23:20 mircea_popescu "what my grenadiers are capable of, only I know. their equals might be found. their superiors - no."
23:29 mircea_popescu http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/entertainment/celebrity-news/extreme-makeover-home-in-atlanta-in-foreclosure/nQx5J/ << who here lived in atlanta ? is this clinton-era-esque lulz legit ?
23:29 assbot 'Extreme Makeover' home in Atlanta in foreclosure | www.accessatlanta.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyqfz6 )
23:32 mircea_popescu !up metsuno
23:32 mircea_popescu ahh assbot, so nice to be back.
23:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26924 @ 0.00045486 = 12.2467 BTC [+] {2}
23:38 hanbot hooray for uberassbot
23:39 mircea_popescu :)
23:39 mircea_popescu anyone wanna do a 30 bux cc payment for me ?
23:39 mircea_popescu danielpbarron ?
23:40 danielpbarron cc not paypal?
23:41 danielpbarron ya i guess
23:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.00046921 = 21.4194 BTC [+] {3}
23:51 mircea_popescu hory shit i had to pay half a tent of a bitcent in tx fees. HODL EVERYTHANG!!! MUST INCREASE BLOXSIZE PLOX!
23:57 mircea_popescu !up decimation
23:57 mircea_popescu !up dub
23:57 decimation I find the 'go' rant amusing. Would asciilifeform similarly object to python? I believe it can run on mips
23:58 mircea_popescu you hate go too ?
23:59 decimation I wouldn't call it 'hate' as much as 'utterly uninterested'
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00044949 = 10.3832 BTC [-]
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