00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
still, here's a q. Hot Bets ends around .1 |
00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment got .3 and isn't on there ? |
00:01 |
mike_c |
yeah it is |
00:01 |
mike_c |
in the middle |
00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
o was looking for .3 nm |
00:01 |
mike_c |
close bets is broken on that page atm.. will be fixed shortly. some fucking python 2.6 decimal bug. |
00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty epic shit. |
00:02 |
* |
asciilifeform vaguely recalls the zoology lesson - if condemned to choose what animal to be locked with unarmed, and choices are chimp and, e.g., grizzly, or lion - pick the mega-carnivore. at least quick death. |
00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i'd choose the chimp and fucking maul it. |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nontrivial - chimp has >2x the strength of a man gram for gram (muscle fiber quirk. they get greater synchronicity in fiber motion in place of our precision.) |
00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
so, to him we're sorta like plasticine. |
00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
since when the strong troglodyte got a chance ? |
00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
for one thing, he's the size of a 9 yo boy. |
00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
for the other thing, does it even know what a choke hold is ? |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://ask.metafilter.com/146862/Could-anyone-beat-a-chimp-in-a-fight << 'debate' |
00:06 |
assbot |
Could anyone beat a chimp in a fight? - martial arts | Ask MetaFilter |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
bear doesn't know what chokehold is, either... |
00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
"Back in the early half of the century, circuses used to hold fights between apes and the strongest men in the town they were touring through. The men were generally knocked unconscious just a few seconds into the fight, after the first blow from the ape." |
00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
!ape |
00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf already. |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090330200829.htm |
00:08 |
assbot |
The Secret To Chimp Strength -- ScienceDaily |
00:08 |
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Bet created: "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ |
00:08 |
* |
asciilifeform did not personally measure chimp strength, cannot guarantee results. |
00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform fun fact : the carpathian brown bear is just about human range. you'd get about one boy per generation per village that could wrestle a bear. |
00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"And I bet that Mr. Lee can hit pretty hard. I'm wondering if his ability to block/dodge/fend off the chimpanzee would give him the advantage." |
00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
these people are idiots. why would i hit it. |
00:13 |
* |
asciilifeform digs for ancient report of zoologies who lost fingers, toes, nose, ears, eyes, cock to chimps in one evening. beasts he worked with for a decade, who decided to have some sudden fun. |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
*zoologist |
00:14 |
decimation |
it seems the human's advantage in such a fight would be to rely on tools |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ima eat the fucking monkey stop pestering me. |
00:14 |
asciilifeform |
tools >> good rifle. |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i shook hands with chimps, they're not THAT strong for crying out loud. |
00:14 |
decimation |
precisely. or a shotgun if too close |
00:15 |
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Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,991. |
00:15 |
decimation |
http://m.gazette.com/poachers-sought-in-death-of-bear-near-canon-city/article/1537586 |
00:15 |
assbot |
Poachers sought in death of bear in Caon City | gazette.com |
00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
mthreat ^ if you care. |
00:15 |
decimation |
"Wildlife officials are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the poacher or poachers responsible for killing a black bear with a series of arrow strikes." |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
'stole this bear from the People of the State of Colorado.' |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
00:16 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it's well settled in common law that the wildlife belongs to the king |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
good thing the bison was free game then |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
and vox populi, vox Führer, at the risk of mixing things up a bit... |
00:18 |
decimation |
of course, in England the king could assign ownership of animals to the local barons |
00:18 |
decimation |
no one in the us is equal enough for such a privilege |
00:19 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : romanian baron (ion tiriac) owns hunting domain in romania, holds invite-only yearly event |
00:20 |
TheNewDeal |
canon city is where i go rock climbing ery yeare |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian hipsters are enraged every year, pen poisonous op pieces for mags and rags |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody cares. |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i kinda like the guy for this reason alone. |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ro brought back titles !? |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, just the domains. |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google ion tiriac domeniu vinatoare |
00:20 |
gribble |
Comuna Balc, Bihor - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Balc,_Bihor>; Vânătoarea de la Balc, organizată de Ion Ţiriac - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_tyweEQGE>; Tiriac cumpara 3500 de hectare pentru vanatoare in Bozovici CS ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5LZFESoDw> |
00:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and they kill shit too, tons of everything. |
00:21 |
TheNewDeal |
saw a black bear there 2 years ago, was a small one that was up in a tree, just about broke the branch it was on while reaching for some food |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: who complains? vegetarians ? |
00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
unlike the god forsaken plains to the south, romania has a great hunting history |
00:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform nah, town hipsters. the sort of kids that'd be on reddit if they could comprehend english |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
"creative" peoples. |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
web 2.0 gurus |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
that sorta crowd. |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
00:22 |
decimation |
ie those that eat meat but have never slain an animal |
00:22 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and btw, the guy's right consists of his ownership of the land and the beasts in question |
00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
that is all. |
00:24 |
decimation |
he doesn't get any pr staff position in the ro government? |
00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
his son was caught with a load of cocaine once |
00:25 |
mike_c |
ok, stupid bug squashed, close bets list working. |
00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
if you've seen true romance, something like that scene |
00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but he got out on general barony privilege |
00:25 |
mike_c |
;;later tell kakobrekla http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/ |
00:25 |
assbot |
BitBet Overview - Btc Alpha |
00:25 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
00:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: why'd they bring back baronies? 'fuse' ? (i.e. somebody for the next set of bolsheviks to guillotine, so normal people might escape ?) |
00:27 |
mircea_popescu |
no, just an earnest belief in feudalism. |
00:28 |
decimation |
relatedly, elsewhere in colorado the barons who own Anheiser Bush/InBev decided to purchase a town for their own amusement: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2014/09/15/bud-light-posts-first-whatever-usa-ad-youtube/112778/ |
00:28 |
assbot |
Bud Light posts first Whatever USA ad on YouTube |
00:29 |
* |
asciilifeform vaguely recalls that firm was bankrupt not long ago ? |
00:29 |
decimation |
"Anheuser-Busch paid the town $500,000 to transform the mountain community into a Budweiser paradise as part of the beer giant’s “Up For Whatever” ad campaign." |
00:29 |
decimation |
Busch was bought out by euro-brewer InBev |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 500k buys a small house here where i live... |
00:30 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah it's amusing how cheap/poor people are in the middle of nowhere usa |
00:31 |
decimation |
TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
middle of nowhere usa << antarctica, even cheaper. |
00:32 |
TheNewDeal |
We were playing games at night as a child, someone mistook a small bear cub for me, got real close, but nothing came of it |
00:33 |
TheNewDeal |
decimation ever seen pictures of that guy who would let a bear wrap its jaws around his head? |
00:33 |
decimation |
when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories of bears ripping open tents and mauling inhabitants because they could smell food or hygiene products |
00:33 |
TheNewDeal |
I've heard the same, or even women's menses |
00:35 |
decimation |
http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/07/26/usn_black.shtml "Drought has forced the bears to look for food at some of the ranch's backcountry camps used on hiking treks by Boy Scouts from across the United States." |
00:37 |
TheNewDeal |
damn |
00:38 |
TheNewDeal |
"The bear continued to roam around the campground. It was shot later that morning by a ranch employee." Nice transition |
00:41 |
decimation |
reminds me of that Herzog documentary "Happy People". One of the men they follow is a trapper who spends the Siberian winter alone in the taiga trapping animals. He said "I used to raise cattle, and I could never bring myself to slaughter them. Because there is, say, a bull. You raise him for two years. It comes to you expecting you to show affection or give it some treat and instead he gets a bullet in the head. In the taiga, the |
00:41 |
decimation |
wild animal knows that no good can come from me, from a man. He tries to escape. Here, it’s about who outsmarts whom." |
00:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9652 @ 0.00075486 = 7.2859 BTC [+] {2} |
00:45 |
decimation |
so the solar flare last week produced a coronal mass ejection that hit the earth and did not cause The End of Days, but it did make pretty aurorae in Norway http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=101723 |
00:45 |
assbot |
Auroras |
00:51 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC tops all time high before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.71569497 BTC. Current weight: 84,143. |
00:51 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4198 BTC. Current weight: 99,837. |
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01:10 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
01:11 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
01:12 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
01:12 |
atcbot |
No data returned from PityThePool.com |
01:12 |
atcbot |
[iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.89 TH/s |
01:12 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 291449.55 in 1111 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.48 |
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01:39 |
BingoBoingo |
!up themediator |
01:39 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Molten_Sea |
01:40 |
* |
Molten_Sea coughs |
01:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Hello Molten_Sea |
01:41 |
Molten_Sea |
hello |
01:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Whay brings you around these parts? |
01:43 |
Molten_Sea |
no reason |
01:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Cool |
01:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Enjoy |
01:45 |
Molten_Sea |
actually know that you mention it i wanted to share this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wYl5v3w2k&feature=player_embedded#t=57 |
01:45 |
assbot |
Burmese python eat big rabbit - YouTube |
01:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Sweet |
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02:44 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: "go to san jose" << har dee har har |
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03:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1908 = 0.954 BTC [+] |
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03:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4602 @ 0.000753 = 3.4653 BTC [-] |
03:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19496666 = 0.5849 BTC [+] {2} |
03:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19499999 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2} |
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04:43 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp |
04:43 |
assbot |
Exa-Networks/exabgp GitHub |
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05:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19833333 = 0.595 BTC [+] {3} |
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05:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-] |
05:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.194 = 0.582 BTC [-] |
05:51 |
punkman |
'ello |
05:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
howdy |
05:55 |
punkman |
!s warpwallet |
05:55 |
assbot |
0 results for 'warpwallet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=warpwallet |
05:55 |
punkman |
20 BTC for breaking this js wallet: https://keybase.io/warp/warp_1.0.6_SHA256_e68d4587b0e2ec34a7b554fbd1ed2d0fedfaeacf3e47fbb6c5403e252348cbfc.html |
05:55 |
assbot |
WarpWallet - deterministic bitcoin wallet generator |
05:55 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ooh |
05:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh yea - I seen that one - its just straight carbonwallet fork I thought |
05:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I believe this is rather impossible to break |
06:01 |
punkman |
well if anyone's inclide to try, should probably start here: https://github.com/keybase/triplesec |
06:01 |
assbot |
keybase/triplesec GitHub |
06:01 |
punkman |
*inclined |
06:03 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm neat |
06:03 |
punkman |
and here's another puzzle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766000.0;all |
06:03 |
assbot |
New Bitcoin ARG, The legend begins here.... 4.33 BTC BOUNTY!!! |
06:08 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha - derps are setting up shop in BA: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15576/bracing-bitcoin-buenos-aires/ |
06:08 |
assbot |
Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina |
06:18 |
punkman |
sounds more like a coworking space than embassy |
06:19 |
punkman |
BitPay, BitPagos, CoinMelon setting up offices there. Prime target for some unscrupulous folks? |
06:20 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
sure |
06:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.193 = 0.579 BTC [-] |
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06:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00004175 = 0.835 BTC [-] {38} |
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07:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14191 @ 0.00075187 = 10.6698 BTC [-] |
07:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999999 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2} |
07:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 232 @ 0.0104 = 2.4128 BTC [-] {2} |
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08:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 162 @ 0.01069629 = 1.7328 BTC [+] {3} |
08:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9228 @ 0.00075187 = 6.9383 BTC [-] |
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08:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.203 = 1.015 BTC [+] {2} |
08:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-] |
08:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 707 @ 0.00412612 = 2.9172 BTC [-] {14} |
08:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.21017642 = 2.9425 BTC [+] {4} |
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09:28 |
kdomanski_ |
I'm suprised to see there aren't any bets related to what Russia is doing |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
there was one iirc. but really hard to have them resolvable |
09:36 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub << bears generally aren't aggressive at all. felides&canides are aggressive if very hungry or during mating season, but otherwise you can get out and people have for ages. animal aggressivity is a cost/benefit consideration, they';re not the convenient antichrist retarded human shamans preach. |
09:36 |
mircea_popescu |
they're not an anthropo thing. they're animals. doing their own thing. |
09:39 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories << re retarded human shamans : here they tell horror stories about muggings. i have, in months, observed exactly one attempt, and it was a clearly us bum trying to pass himself as belgian and doing the talking business. clueless enough to not even fucking spot me, the idiot. but otherwise : ever |
09:39 |
mircea_popescu |
y argentine will warn you to "be careful with your belongings!111eleventy", they have special implements in many restaurants to hook&tie your purse to the table, they go as fucking far as to wear backpacks in front, and many kids with it in the back had this mental issue where they reached back and touched the zipper every 30 seconds. |
09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
because they've convinced themselves this happens. meanwhile, it never does. walk queens you'll see a mugging every day. walk chacarrita and glty, you got better chances to see a comet. |
09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
09:43 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 320978 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1581 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33058442115.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.82379 |
09:47 |
los_pantalones |
mircea_popescu i couldn't believe how many people came up to me |
09:47 |
los_pantalones |
to tell me to put away my cell phone |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones ikr ?! |
09:47 |
los_pantalones |
not one person ever looked at me funny |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it. |
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09:47 |
los_pantalones |
but ppl would come running in a panice |
09:47 |
los_pantalones |
PUT IT AWAY |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact, i might enjoy the sport of it |
09:48 |
los_pantalones |
as opposed to las ramblas in barcelona |
09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to anywhere in "the civilised" world. |
09:48 |
los_pantalones |
where 50% of the ppl there are just a network of pickpockets |
09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
and this isn't even all of it. when i left for mexico everyone in the us was like "pack tp" |
09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, the bus stations in fucking rural mexico are airport-clean, you can eat off the floors. |
09:49 |
los_pantalones |
haha, yes |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
go check out greyhound station in mobile sometime |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
not even the streetwalkers hang there. |
09:49 |
los_pantalones |
US gas station bathrooms are the worst |
09:49 |
los_pantalones |
driving through rural turkey was better |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
basically the various govts have pulled the trick of all time : convinced the people living in the shithole of the world they're living in the only livable tip thereof. |
09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
if only the soviets had such pixie dust |
09:50 |
los_pantalones |
ha, didn't they just run out of it? |
09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah and vice-versa. speaking in english to womenz in romanian cabs, driver picks the idea i'm like from boston |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
and so he starts telling me all about how they die of hunger over there and how bad romania is |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
im like... you're such a fucking retard, i live here for the food motherfucker. |
09:51 |
los_pantalones |
hahaha |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
because srsly, it is the best place in the world for food. |
09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't mean other places don't have good food, but if you're european/(french-italian branch), there's just nowhere to go. |
09:52 |
los_pantalones |
romanian specifically or east europe ? |
09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you get a ny deli with decent stuff most of the time, maybe you're willing to drop 20k euro a month to eat properly in paris, |
09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but then again maybe you don't. |
09:52 |
los_pantalones |
bulgarians are fanatics about their tomatoes |
09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones romania specifically, from timisoara/oradea to brasov. |
09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones yes but they don't do salt pickles. which... romanians end up importing the gherkins and pickling locally. |
09:53 |
los_pantalones |
i'll be in bucharest next summer for a bit, i'll report on the veracity of your claims |
09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
bucharest is shit. |
09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
if you look at a map, it's outside the perimeter i described :) |
09:53 |
los_pantalones |
pickles are such an art form |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
totally. |
09:54 |
los_pantalones |
so bad in the US |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
bucharest is like trying to eat in washington dc. |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
they eat tax money there, not food. |
09:55 |
los_pantalones |
maybe i'll bring the family and we'll venture out |
09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you coming to the conference btw ? |
09:55 |
los_pantalones |
yessir |
09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
dun forget to pay before it hikes! |
09:56 |
los_pantalones |
kk |
09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi what to do here, i mean the town is hooker central, but i don't imagine people would much like the italian arrangement |
09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
(seat people with wife on right, whore on left) |
09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess ima run a poll see if people want fambly friendly or what. |
09:58 |
los_pantalones |
my vote for not |
09:58 |
los_pantalones |
biz trip |
09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
last time i tried to do it "bring your gf" but mostly ppl didn't. |
09:59 |
kakobrekla |
shame on you lampelina . |
10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
by the way, BitBet announcement : the contract specifies 30% of shares are sold on a increasing schedule, after their being sold me and kako each get 10% into our accounts. |
10:01 |
kakobrekla |
10 + 10 = 30 ? |
10:01 |
kakobrekla |
;;calc 10+10 |
10:01 |
gribble |
20 |
10:01 |
kakobrekla |
no. |
10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how it's been about two years and the 30% still ain't all sold, and given that the contract was made at a btc of like 15 so it significantly misjudges things, and seeing how us having 0 shares in hand is inconvenient because we want to do things like give mike some shares cause he keeps doing cool shit |
10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i am unilaterally modifying that thing, and will release the 10% blocks to our accounts later this week. |
10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla well it's 30% on sale and 10% a head held in reserve making for 50% |
10:03 |
kakobrekla |
hrm? |
10:03 |
* |
kakobrekla goes to reread the contract |
10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
hrm? is a very bad error message!1 |
10:03 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
MiniGame announcement : i received sketches for 36 itams, ofwhich 24 animals and 12 plants, from jason juta (the wizards of the coast guy) who's worked with us before and i was very satisfied. |
10:04 |
mike_c |
sweet. i think any changes that involve giving mike some stuff is a good idea. |
10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ima be scoring them and getting the fully painted things later this month, and we will proceed having them modelled then. |
10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c lol |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
no but it is getting ridiculous, wanted to do this after the bitbet ads thing but o noes, contracts. |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
eventually i had enough. |
10:07 |
kakobrekla |
3. (f)Of the remainder 5`000`000 (five million) shares, 3`000`000 (three million) will be used as described in paragraph (b) above. The proceeds of those sales will go to the two individuals named above, alternatively for each block, starting with Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar for the first block. Thirty days after the completion of the IPO as described in paragraph (b) above the remainder 2`000`000 (two million) shares will be distributed e |
10:07 |
kakobrekla |
among the two named individuals, each receiving a block of 1`000`000 (one million) shares. |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
right, which 1mn = 10% |
10:07 |
kakobrekla |
this is the clause? has it been 30 days already sheesh. |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla well completion of ipo as in, them selling. |
10:07 |
kakobrekla |
a right. |
10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
which.. you know. but anyway, lessons learned galore from that 1st try. it's time to release the undead hold. |
10:09 |
kakobrekla |
so basically a hardcoded date should be a fix for this |
10:09 |
mircea_popescu |
many different fixes for many different aspects. either a fixed date, not such large blocks on sale, not such strictly fixed prices etc. |
10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it was one of those bright engineering ideas what does in fact work as intended, but causes such a pile of unintended consequences as to wipe out any benefit. |
10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
so... reiteration! |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol: ha - derps are setting up shop in BA << it's a big town |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"After a brief introduction to some of the buildings chief organizers, along with a tour of the facility, I was a fellow citizen in good standing, in the world of Bitcoin. " |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
in your dreems, punk. |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
jeez why the fuck am i reading bitcoinragazine. |
10:21 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
sorry - thought you needed to know the enemy is in yur backyard |
10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what enemy |
10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
kids hanging out are no one's enemy., |
10:21 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
well - they aren't allies, so |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, it's a big city, 20mn or so, plenty of room for derpage here. |
10:22 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you should hear the whores thinking outloud. |
10:22 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c btw, make yourself a banner for the thing, you get a month. |
10:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00075359 = 3.5954 BTC [+] |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://asfutecevanou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_5427.jpg << remember the 50s ? back when WE were the muslims ? |
10:46 |
mike_c |
<+mircea_popescu> mike_c btw, make yourself a banner << hm? a banner for what? |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
for the new tool |
10:47 |
mike_c |
ah, k. |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i figure the best audience for it is bitbet itself |
10:48 |
mike_c |
yup, makes sense |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jnk7VS-Ko << bitcoin company ceo negotiates. |
11:02 |
assbot |
Wow Mom tells kid no more World of Warcraft Gold Guide - YouTube |
11:03 |
pete_dushenski |
to all: wd on the logs, this fine morning. |
11:03 |
fluffypony |
pete_dushenski: NOW READ |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
and bask in the glory of 0 lines from me |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
muhaahahahahahaaha |
11:04 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive. << la vita bella, to be sure |
11:04 |
pete_dushenski |
fluffypony: well nao you have… 3 lol |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
11:04 |
fluffypony |
how goes it, pete_dushenski ? |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony what are you up to anywya |
11:05 |
wyrdmantis |
hi pete |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski they weren't COMPLETELY bare were they ? |
11:05 |
pete_dushenski |
fluffypony: i'm pretty stoked that my latvia post beat yours ;) |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
11:05 |
fluffypony |
too much to do, too little time |
11:05 |
pete_dushenski |
wyrdmantis: howdy. |
11:07 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: you think i make joke? the logs are really quite splendid this 16th of september |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
aok :p |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
here at house of b-a no joke sir. no joke at all. |
11:09 |
pete_dushenski |
then what of that cia joke a week ago that made me lol so? |
11:09 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873 << c'est possible! |
11:10 |
pete_dushenski |
notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon << that's some diamond encrusted dev work right there |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, i'm selling louisiana to pay for haircuts. |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
if you live in louisiana you should be worried, isis is the top bidder so far |
11:11 |
BingoBoingo |
There once was a mayor named Ford, of wood he cut a full cord. Twas his abode! Oh how he felt like a chode. And then there was another Mayor named Ford. |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the fundamentalist mormon state a distant second |
11:11 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows. << i read this as "building tanks with windows for looking out of." funnily, they may just replace seeing windows with mircoderp windows |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski tanks haven't had plain optics for a while now. too hard to shield. |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
much cheaper to just put ten thousand cams on the body of the thing |
11:12 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: a didn't know this was fait accompli |
11:13 |
pete_dushenski |
that's even better then |
11:13 |
pete_dushenski |
"we miss our windows!" cried the generals |
11:13 |
pete_dushenski |
"here, take these. they'll keep you warm at night" |
11:15 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists << xls has no problem being turned into google docs. though that may be about as big a difference as bush and obama. |
11:15 |
kdomanski |
mircea_popescu: I don't know about the cams, but the driver's front window is an array of mirrors, usually |
11:16 |
los_pantalones |
anyone in here ever met / dealth with zooko wilcox-o'hearn ? |
11:16 |
thestringpuller |
good morning/afternoon/evening all |
11:16 |
punkman |
pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. |
11:16 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank. << as seen in canonical movie "office space" (1999( |
11:16 |
thestringpuller |
(given everyone is in ridic different time zones) |
11:17 |
pete_dushenski |
punkman: fair point. excel is still full fat. google docs is spreadsheet lite. |
11:18 |
punkman |
pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets |
11:18 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone. << nao there's a man who doesn't take shit from people who are used to giving it all day. |
11:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;estimate |
11:20 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 33147848402.3 based on data since last change | 33410380121.3 based on data for last three days |
11:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
11:21 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's << they actually had one of these abominations in riga |
11:21 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: double :) |
11:21 |
pete_dushenski |
;;nethash |
11:21 |
gribble |
239164465.973 |
11:22 |
pete_dushenski |
i think the only time i've been to a tgif was in nyc in 2000. i'll never forget it because it was the first time i saw a menu with a whole page for "the atkins diet" |
11:23 |
pete_dushenski |
it was pretty much just bacon cheese steaks |
11:23 |
pete_dushenski |
and that's when i learned about fad diets |
11:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly |
11:23 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen arij |
11:23 |
gribble |
arij was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <arij> pLambert, yes, pm me |
11:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
you want a pile of cheese and meat? you got it! |
11:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
free celery stick incl |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: gluten free menu only slightly trickier to manage |
11:26 |
pete_dushenski |
often many poorly concocted substitutions |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. << vb scripts being untranslatable because of just how retarded vb is |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets << wtf are you talking about ?! |
11:31 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: you ever try to open 500mb spreadsheet in LibreOffice or whatever? |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
well, an old open office, yes. |
11:32 |
mircea_popescu |
because at some point a bunch of derps in an office "we dunno why our computers are all borkt we had ppl repair them 5x but not able to fix" |
11:32 |
wyrdmantis |
pete_dushenski: i was wondering... would you give me a little loan, to improve my WoT? there are better ways? |
11:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
google docs has an obnoxiously low limit on size too |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so i wiped a laptop, installed ubuntu, installed open office and had it load the thing and cut out the spurious data. |
11:33 |
pete_dushenski |
;;gettrust wyrdmantis |
11:33 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!9740323c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.64.50.60. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014 |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
this was cca early 2000s tho, no idea meanwhile |
11:33 |
punkman |
I made a lot of the open source ones crash last year, client was fine with his Excel |
11:34 |
pete_dushenski |
wyrdmantis: got any skills? writing, researching, coding, etc.? |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe excel picked up in the meanwhile, but last i saw of it it was ridiculous. |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose they musta done a full 64 byte rewrite of the engine or something |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski he's an economist actually |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wyrdmantis this loan for wot business is dimly regarded, but your best avenue would perhaps be to intern with mike_c for btcalpha. |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
win-win, you both get something from it. |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i think he's looking for more ppls to do econometric type of work |
11:35 |
wyrdmantis |
pete_dushenski: researching, i have PhD in communication, highly informed on bitcoin topic |
11:36 |
wyrdmantis |
pete_dushenski: and i've started study coding... but the topic is huge... maybe with a little guidance... |
11:36 |
kakobrekla |
first econometric task could be to measure the circumference of a bitcoin |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly << mystery solved. i had nfi why people still reference that idiocy after all these years. |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla that's not econometry you hater you :D |
11:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ow shit, here i go confusing wywialm with wyrdmantis |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
sorry both of you. wy collision in my head. |
11:39 |
wyrdmantis |
lolz does not matter |
11:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Of course it matters! Wy collisions are messy! |
11:40 |
BingoBoingo |
What if Wyoming were to become involved |
11:41 |
wyrdmantis |
yeah wyoming, nice place, never seen it |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"one wy entry should be enough for everyone" |
11:41 |
wyrdmantis |
lol |
11:42 |
pete_dushenski |
wyrdmantis: o they matter. collisions were the catalyst for pete_d rather than bitcoinpete |
11:42 |
pete_dushenski |
wyrdmantis: and i'm sure something will come up soon. stayed tuned :) |
11:43 |
mircea_popescu |
what's to come, wywialm is the guy';s name |
11:44 |
wyrdmantis |
pete_dushenski: what this means? is it something about security? |
11:45 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" << the apple watch is past the inflection point. a point that was, in my estimation, the iphone 5's 4" screen |
11:45 |
pete_dushenski |
24 months ago... |
11:46 |
pete_dushenski |
prior to that, it was "fuck you, 3.5" is perfect" and they were right |
11:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm no sure i agree on that one point |
11:46 |
pete_dushenski |
then apple recognized its competition as such, rather than as inferior pretenders, and it's been downhill since |
11:47 |
kakobrekla |
the bigger the screen the bigger the sales, with iphone. |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't reallt follow apple, so i dunno. |
11:47 |
pete_dushenski |
wyrdmantis: not a security thing, no. |
11:47 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: how do you see it? |
11:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
personal bias probly |
11:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont keep a real cell phone, just a 7" tablet with data plan |
11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla honestly, my thinking was, "either apple actually comes with holodisplays for a 2015ish horizon, or it won't matter by 2020" |
11:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
love it |
11:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
i also dont like talking on the phone |
11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves hard to do since irc huh. |
11:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
the idea of being immediately available to anyone irks me |
11:48 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: which is of course coincides with entering china and shit |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
other than my fambly i guess |
11:49 |
kakobrekla |
china got other iphones |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
and they know to email |
11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: no disagreement there, but where do you see apple's decline commencing? |
11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
if not the iphone 5 |
11:49 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu i dont see why they wouldnt |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh i wasnt meaning to comment on that aspect so much as that i think it's no biggie to have 2 or 3 sizes avail |
11:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
people come in all shapes and biases |
11:50 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: they do nao that they've had a few years to copy the original. but the fruit brand is still the fruit brand. lv is still lv |
11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla because if you have a lot of money and not much thought leadership you will be scammed. |
11:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
apple died when it went ALL in on design and walled garden |
11:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's just like MS going all in on locking people into Office/Win |
11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski lv is actually about 35% lv |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the rest are undetected fakes. |
11:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
cant be sustained |
11:51 |
kakobrekla |
pete_dushenski heard of xiaomi? |
11:51 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: lol! |
11:51 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: def |
11:51 |
kakobrekla |
apl cant do shit against that. |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla what is it ? |
11:52 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: apple has always been "all in" on design. though the walled garden is an ios thing |
11:52 |
pete_dushenski |
;;google xiaomi |
11:52 |
gribble |
Xiaomi: <http://www.mi.com/sg/>; Xiaomi: <http://www.xiaomi.com/>; Xiaomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi> |
11:52 |
kakobrekla |
supposedly a quality iphone lookalike that runs some android for much less dorra |
11:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
by all in, i mean they made it their gimmick more than their charge |
11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
and sends plaintext data to people's servers |
11:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
they leveraged it |
11:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
and now post_jobs crew is harvesting it |
11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: xiaomi has people hooked with, get this, weekly software updates |
11:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
crop wont be there next time |
11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
it's like digsec hell |
11:54 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: agreed. |
11:54 |
* |
mircea_popescu continues to not get it |
11:54 |
kakobrekla |
china is very different. so same tricks do not work as on mericans. |
11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess im old. |
11:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
the watch was a bad idea |
11:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
so bad |
11:54 |
pete_dushenski |
horrendous |
11:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
they couldve showed some grace by bowing out on the wearables garbage |
11:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
nothing feels more douchey than wearing a wearable |
11:55 |
pete_dushenski |
nao we know they've got no grace left in the tank |
11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
google glass will own the watch on basic "wearables" and even google glass seems to lose the wider socioacceptance war, what with all the glasshole sites and whatnot |
11:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
both will gloriously fail |
11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
if the bitchez dun think glass is cool, the nerds don't buy glass, and the whole story collapses |
11:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
glass already has really |
11:55 |
thestringpuller |
two bit idiot needs to just die |
11:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
itll be a pro security tool or such maaaaybe eventually |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller until you said something i had thought he had. |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves that existed for a while now, and better adapted for the job. |
11:56 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that bitz think any new tech is cool on guys |
11:56 |
pete_dushenski |
though they certainly like their own megaphones |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski dunno man, they loved the condom. |
11:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-] |
11:57 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3E13F67.txt ) |
11:57 |
pete_dushenski |
!b 4 |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
they also loved the car, and the bike |
11:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
another prob with iwatch is it requires iphone |
11:57 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: ok ok |
11:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
once user boots both up and diddles with em in public, they will feel that nice rush of emarassment |
11:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
b |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
gurlz also loved airplanes and zeppelins and catapults |
11:58 |
thestringpuller |
apparently people are now paying him to ramble about bitcoin? |
11:58 |
thestringpuller |
when did he become an expert on the subject.... |
11:58 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: as so many samsungtards have already discovered |
11:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's a cool short about wearables in The Black Mirror |
11:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
all 3 eps are pretty cool |
11:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
if you havent seen em |
12:00 |
assbot |
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12:01 |
assbot |
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12:01 |
pete_dushenski |
ThickAsThieves: have not. but i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio! |
12:01 |
thestringpuller |
ThickAsThieves: are you going to start that record label? |
12:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
not anytime soon |
12:03 |
thestringpuller |
whats the key component of a label? i originally thought distribution but i'm certain i'm wrong |
12:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have some decent ideas about music thingies but my right left says no |
12:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
that's the key component of a distributor ;) |
12:04 |
thestringpuller |
XD |
12:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
a label can be any subset or all services required to have a music business |
12:05 |
thestringpuller |
distribution seems moot in light of ticket sales on tours (if the artist has that kind of pull on fans) |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
mgmt, booking, pr, dist, merch, legal, etc |
12:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think there's something to applying crowdfunding concepts to music biz |
12:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
might be where it's going |
12:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
like memberships, buffet subscriptions, preorder stretch goals and shit |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
what about acquiring fans tho? |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
like for instance Jay-Z can announce a concert and it sales out |
12:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
these days, that's the artist's problem |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
Beatlemania in the 60's |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
etc. |
12:07 |
thestringpuller |
has it always been the artist's problem? |
12:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
broadly yes |
12:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
not in the 90s/00s tho |
12:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe not 80s either |
12:08 |
kakobrekla |
jesus |
12:08 |
thestringpuller |
so this is a recent development? |
12:08 |
kakobrekla |
you need to 'register for a flash sale' to get these |
12:08 |
kakobrekla |
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/40000-redmi-1s-smartphones-gone-in-34-seconds-xiaomi-592701 |
12:08 |
assbot |
40,000 Redmi 1S Smartphones Gone in 3.4 Seconds: Xiaomi | NDTV Gadgets |
12:09 |
kakobrekla |
350k registration, 40k phones |
12:09 |
thestringpuller |
kakobrekla: i heard those aren't ready for production tho. very buggy. |
12:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
the talent market is much more commoditized now |
12:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
easy to find decent bands, so easier to focus on ones that already have some traction |
12:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
look at macklemore, he did it without signing to anyone |
12:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
so he says at least |
12:11 |
thestringpuller |
i wonder how fans select someone to follow in critical mass |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
same as always |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
friends and media |
12:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
and pandora |
12:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
12:12 |
thestringpuller |
like Kesha sucks tho |
12:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
sure |
12:12 |
thestringpuller |
but she still sells out venues |
12:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats why 80s-00s ruined shit, they made music a business model, all they needed was a husk amd some writers |
12:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
80s not as bad i guess |
12:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
indie music kinda jived with pop music back then a bit |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
wtf is with this Disney Frozen popularity |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
i tried watching it |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
so badf |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
like i thought it was a joke |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
the singing and lyrics are written for a 3yo retard |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker btce |
12:15 |
gribble |
(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker btc-e |
12:15 |
gribble |
(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
bleh |
12:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market btce |
12:16 |
gribble |
BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.8, Best ask: 457.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.19900, Last trade: 457.999, 24 hour volume: 3155.73003, 24 hour low: 456.15302, 24 hour high: 470.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.07651 |
12:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
thx |
12:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
12:16 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.74, vol: 5787.99807629 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.999, vol: 3155.73003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 468.72, vol: 3843.13517769 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.173526, vol: 15446.36720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 2.09625389 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.05505, vol: 54.60290031 | Volume-weighted last average: 466.498196454 |
12:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
now i get the switches |
12:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Wait is Adrian Petersen here already? |
12:18 |
thestringpuller |
ThickAsThieves damn that's depressing. rather than discovering talent, we try to manufacture it? |
12:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators |
12:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i'm not sure that happens as much anymore |
12:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
either way, i simply dont have the passion for it right now |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
seems moot. i'm interested in show biz but yes the passion... |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
not there. |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
thanks for the talk ThickAsThieves |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
np, take it fwiw, i'm just one opinionated dude, probly wrong about half what i said |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<thestringpuller> when did he become an expert on the subject.... << you mean in his own head or irl ? |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. |
12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators << dude, nobody wants to spend 3 minutes watching a "creator" that's not female, not properly jugged and not properly skinned. |
12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
they're not husks, they're what people want to look at. women with the udder bulding out. |
12:34 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: he is apparently speaking at MIT as an expert and giving away prizes to the freshman... |
12:34 |
thestringpuller |
i will find you link |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller a better question is who DIDNT speak at mit. |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
max tucker spoke at mit. |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
that lesbian author/activist whatever her name is spoke at mit |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse. |
12:35 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/WorldBitcoinNet/status/511645219306356736 |
12:35 |
assbot |
Speaking live in about an hour at MIT http://t.co/qJ1lq7q7Pv, as the first event to introduce the lucky undergrads to their $100 of bitcoin |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
heh k. do the lucky undergrads have to write anything on their tits ? |
12:36 |
thestringpuller |
i should go to MIT and start a drug business with bitcoin since they've already seeded the coins |
12:36 |
thestringpuller |
or underage alcohol acquisition |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
and no allt he lucky undergrads have to do is be at MIT |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
... |
12:47 |
asciilifeform |
all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse << nah. yours truly, for instance, has pulse, but will not be invited to speak there. etc |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't understand. A PULSE. that's it. |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
your problem is the excess. |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
13:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00075136 = 2.227 BTC [-] |
13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so here's a clients from hell idea. art guy sent me proofs for eulora flora/fauna, i could send him an email going |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"people around the office have seen your drafts, and they have proved very divisive. people can not agree on which are good or better and there have even been arguments. this sort of subversive activity is completely inappropriate for an office setting. i would like you to complete a sensitivity training course for art people." |
13:09 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. < just learn their sekrits |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla ok, teach me obikako |
13:12 |
kakobrekla |
1. weekly updates. |
13:12 |
kakobrekla |
i dont need to go to nb 2 eh |
13:14 |
kakobrekla |
but seriously, its cheap, for the masses as they stupidly want. |
13:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13335 @ 0.000751 = 10.0146 BTC [-] |
13:15 |
kakobrekla |
like discussed earlier. |
13:17 |
kakobrekla |
> there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" < does not out by itself, you need to extract the value out |
13:19 |
* |
mircea_popescu does the international jewish hand gesture. |
13:19 |
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13:19 |
kakobrekla |
you asked . |
13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
13:21 |
gribble |
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13:21 |
ben_vulpes |
when's this ether dump? |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google i will gladly repay you on thursday for an ethereum today |
13:21 |
gribble |
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13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
how quickly pop culture forgets. |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
its not the whole receptive, but key ingredient. |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
eh |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
recepie |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
autowrong. |
13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
recipe :D |
13:22 |
kakobrekla |
not if its for a pie |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
which reminds me, this is the XXVIIIth edition of our show, How Romanian Is Better Than You! Welcome! today, the word tiz. |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
in romanian, all people with the same first name share a relationship. they're each other's tiz (read exactly like tease). |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, all people fucking the same woman also share a relationship. they're sogori |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
so there's a town of sogortiz. |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
today's edition of HRIBTY! brought to you by our sponsors, xaomi and gogerty. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no, those are the people who suckled the same teat as infants. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to blood brothers, people that did this bizarre knifeplay thing in adolescence |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
or i guess prison. |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: according to mother and school - yes. but the term got recycled for that other thing. |
13:25 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. < you know, just ask the chumpatrons. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
well blood brothers got recycled for gayzors too, but hey. we're purists over here at HRIBTY! |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla problem is all failed chumpatrons claim to have been successful. |
13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
before it went under, myspace was like whatever, ah so powerful. |
13:27 |
kakobrekla |
an eagle may not learn from the crow, but humans have learned from others better. |
13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
a decade ago digg was doing everything reddit is doing today and "winning" |
13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
etc. |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun particularly wish to learn how to give a very convincing representation of success for a very brief interval. |
13:28 |
kakobrekla |
since when are we on 'representation' |
13:28 |
kakobrekla |
also |
13:28 |
kakobrekla |
how do you measure success |
| |
↖ |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i know ;/ |
13:29 |
ben_vulpes |
just look at how dissimilar those under measure are from me |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes hm ? |
13:30 |
ben_vulpes |
bah nm |
13:31 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from << Around these parts the term Eskimo Brother is used |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, also, let's do a Romanian Surprisingly Sucks! show. so, romanian does not distinguish between niece (nepoata) and grand daughter (nepoata). |
13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
nor between throat (git) and neck (git). nor between fingers and toes. |
13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it does distinguish underage or unexcited cock (puta) from proper cock (pula), but it does not distinguish underage cock from underage cunt. |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: russian - leg==foot, finger==toe |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian tries this foot = laba piciorului, ie leg's paw |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but in practice it's too long for anyone to bother |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
technically arm = brat ; hand = mina but in practice nobody even knows what brat is |
13:38 |
kakobrekla |
as sad as it might be, i dont think a nice package ever hurt a good product? |
13:39 |
* |
mircea_popescu think |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
how about the early macs ? |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
good product, nice package, went nowhere |
13:40 |
midnightmagic |
Is the language falling into disuse then in its complexities? Like is it simplifying over time? |
13:40 |
kakobrekla |
cause of package? |
13:41 |
kakobrekla |
maybe the package wasnt nice? |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic this is a universal phenomenon, since the media heavily favours the more easily influenced members of a population, and they tend to be young, the media discourse then tends to focus on the linguistic abilities of noob speakers. |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla better than competitors at time im sure. |
13:43 |
midnightmagic |
mircea_popescu: It is universal; some languages are resistant to it, for various reasons. There are some theories on that based around a language's resilience and flexibility, but I thought the population speaking Romanian was large enough to preserve it. It's pretty unfortunate if that's not so. :( |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian is the most flexible language i've ever heard. |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
its defense comes from exactly this flexibility, it's basically a hardened whore. you can abuse it any way you please, for as long as you please, |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
in the end it'll be just fine. |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
takes a shower pretends to be 16 again. |
13:44 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform , expert in this field, did early macs suffer because of their supposed nice package? |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought diametric was teh expert in early macs :D |
13:45 |
midnightmagic |
Ah. So you're just complaining about how nobody's learning and using its (still-preserved) complexities these days because $stupid_youth..? |
13:45 |
* |
rithm is an expert at the apple II/e, the last Apple product he owned |
13:45 |
kakobrekla |
well then diametric can answer. |
13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :) the way the stupid youth ends up apt is through running into these scattered about. |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: package being what? ui? in a way, they did. recall why ibm pc - similarly costly - ran over the early macs, despite technical inferiority in every sense. |
13:46 |
BingoBoingo |
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/010918.html |
13:46 |
rithm |
my ubuntu desktop just took a total shit from 12.04 to 14.04 and do-release-upgrade |
13:47 |
rithm |
if that's remotely topical |
13:47 |
rithm |
macs suck |
13:47 |
kakobrekla |
i wouldnt limit it to ui but ill take the answer. |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
even the physical machine was nicer |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in a "better design" sense |
13:47 |
kakobrekla |
still we are at one, potential case here. |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
early pcs were a nightmare |
13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla all i need to dispel a universal negative is one example :) |
13:48 |
mike_c |
BingoBoingo: is this a new discovery for you? I used to love it when HST was writing for page 2 |
13:48 |
mike_c |
there was another good guy who died. |
13:48 |
rithm |
i know how to open terminal on a mac, though...so that's one thing it has going for it |
13:48 |
mike_c |
ralph wiley i think |
13:48 |
BingoBoingo |
mike_c: It's a discovery that ESPN still has this stuff online. |
13:48 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu dont worry, the next question is did it hurt more than half. |
13:48 |
mike_c |
page2 used to be really good. then the good writers died and it turned to crap. |
13:48 |
asciilifeform |
rithm: mac in question here is circa mid-1980s. different animal. |
13:49 |
midnightmagic |
mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love the weird incompatible concepts that seem to pervade languages like tlingit.. |
13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla what is this supposed to be, business ?! |
13:49 |
kakobrekla |
i thought it was guessing games. |
13:49 |
rithm |
i only had the II/e |
13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic but you speak french ? |
13:49 |
rithm |
never an actual macintosh with tetris |
13:49 |
rithm |
we had those in high school |
13:49 |
asciilifeform |
rithm: II/e - not a mac |
13:49 |
rithm |
they were good for tetris iirc |
13:50 |
rithm |
the actual macintosh classics |
13:50 |
rithm |
it was the original .ru socialist teris too |
13:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.' |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the substance of the disagreement with kako i suspect. |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i am not willing to allow the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter the cost. |
13:52 |
midnightmagic |
mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois.. |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
they have to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have to personally strangle every single andreas out there. |
13:52 |
rithm |
i'm only about 25% french reading and hearing |
13:53 |
midnightmagic |
can I pay to watch that? |
13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic so then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice |
13:53 |
rithm |
je n'aime pas le poisson |
13:53 |
midnightmagic |
ah, cool then. |
13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic you don't have to pay to be on b-a yet. |
13:54 |
kakobrekla |
also the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being the superior tech solution. |
13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
why is 2011 the cutoff ? |
13:54 |
kakobrekla |
why is early mac cutoff? |
13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and in 2011 bitcoin was the superior tech solution to a wet sock. |
13:54 |
rithm |
2012 was more fun |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla i was discussing the actual product, not the company. |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
meh, take the current mkt cap for all i care |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
still peanuts. |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
for all i care you can take early macs marketshare in 2011 if it pleases you |
13:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: it is important to remember that mac product actually died. it is deader than many other dead things, even, because got hollowed out and taxidermied. |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
bitcoin is a product as early mac is a product |
13:55 |
kakobrekla |
none of those are a company |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
not really. |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
electricity isn't a product even if it isn't a company. |
13:56 |
rithm |
but like bitcoin 2011 is like mac classic and 2012 is like imac |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin is a natural phenomenon. |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
but you can measure bitcoin in sold units |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you can measure love in sold units as well. |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: current 'mac os' product is actually 'nextstep' with a new graphical skin. |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform the UI lived on right ? |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: i (and perhaps BingoBoingo) would argue that ui disappeared. |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
no, i'm with you, that ui died. |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and it didn't die because it was either a bad product or badly packaged. |
13:57 |
kakobrekla |
ok then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense |
13:57 |
kakobrekla |
that. |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it died for the exact reason the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness. |
13:58 |
BingoBoingo |
The original Mac UI died before even Hypercard |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
it will die because the people that matter dun like its mug. |
13:58 |
asciilifeform |
/me confesses that he liked it. and recently dug up a mac laptop circa 1999, and enjoyed playing with it. |
13:59 |
xmj |
UBER back to being allowed in germany -- http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/taxi-konkurrent-uber-darf-in-deutschland-vorerst-weitermachen-13156626.html |
13:59 |
assbot |
Taxi-Konkurrent Uber darf in Deutschland vorerst weitermachen |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
germany is such a hellhole for monopolistic cab practices |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda why i never lived there, actually. |
14:00 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Did you have the chance to play with "At Ease" on your Mac? |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
some competition'd be spelndid for them |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history -- which is no doubt true -- but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Am |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed." |
14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
that drughead is remarkable in that while being wrong on each and every twist and turn, he's globally right with clockwork regularity. |
14:03 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> no, i'm with you, that ui died. < well every ui so far died. gui however did not. |
14:03 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: There probably a label used for that condition somewhere in the USG, something as an analogue to the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia" |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla depending what you mean by "gui" in that snese, cli is a gui. itdoesn't make beeps after all. |
14:04 |
kakobrekla |
you browse web with lynx? |
14:04 |
kakobrekla |
bah bad example, that is too much gui |
14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
bitbet is totally gui for that matter. |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
to the degree someone had to make a proper nongui interface. |
14:07 |
kakobrekla |
proper cause? |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, the solution to the "gui problem" is not to resolve the gui problem but to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported to make it. skins are too little too high up, but still the right idea. |
14:07 |
kakobrekla |
how do you measure properness? |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone his own gui is how nature works |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the interface is called interface for a reason, and to specify it as part of the product is akin to the peacock coming with a set of eyes to look at it with. |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
bring your own eyes. |
14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
browsers are notably going very far on this basic line, with a "your css" rather than "website's css" approach |
14:09 |
BingoBoingo |
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1016761 |
14:09 |
assbot |
ESPN.com: Page 2 : Fear & Loathing<br>on Super Sunday |
14:09 |
The20YearIRCloud |
is there a bitbet yet for more NFL beatings? |
14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
doubt it |
14:11 |
* |
ben_vulpes remembers when macos skinning was a thing |
14:11 |
ben_vulpes |
barely |
14:11 |
* |
kakobrekla never has apple product |
14:11 |
kakobrekla |
has ? had. |
14:14 |
kakobrekla |
nor did any of my ex gf |
14:14 |
kakobrekla |
such turnoff. |
14:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i had a iphone for about a month |
14:14 |
The20YearIRCloud |
sold it for double what i paid, so I was happy |
14:14 |
kakobrekla |
you should ipo or something |
14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i actually got an ipad for checking their market |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool. |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
honestly i think tablets will suffer a foss revival much like the pc did. |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
(i don't mean the techs that made it were idiots, they were competent. i mean their managers were idiots) |
14:17 |
kakobrekla |
if mp were the manager, the thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs. |
14:18 |
kakobrekla |
this thing is not made by stupid managers, its made for stupid people. |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla if the thing were made by me you wouldn't have the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and the "this is unextensible" view. |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
make the tablet so you can hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends. |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
not so hard. |
14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
4 people, flatscreen tv |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
make the tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy. |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the tablet being basically a portable head to attach to anything you want. |
14:21 |
kakobrekla |
yeah, pretty much what i said. |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
serve the deeply seated human thirst for anthropomorphising |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and it wouldn't cost 18k either. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd cost the same 500 or w/e. |
14:23 |
hanbot |
ipad's just an ebook reader imo |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the actually functioning touchscreen is the big challenge there, and they solved that. the rest is just trims. |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot yes, because managerial incompetence. |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"o, we're going to change the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks that change the world oooohhh" |
14:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00075084 = 2.0273 BTC [-] |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the moral being, beat your children. if they don't know how to hate they don't know how to matter. |
14:25 |
kakobrekla |
200+ million ipads sold, such poor managers. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
listen here, you know what else sold 200mn ? that shitty japanese electronic toy thing. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
you know which ? |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
me either. |
14:26 |
ben_vulpes |
tamagotchi? |
14:26 |
ben_vulpes |
:P |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
gotchi. |
14:26 |
kakobrekla |
dat thing is rad. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
toothbrushes sell by the billion. what sort of argument is this. |
14:27 |
ben_vulpes |
i want a portable compute object that plugs into the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing |
14:27 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu i don't think it's that simple, most people "beating their children" would likely result in the kids hating their parents rather than hating fucking up |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine 50 million billion trillion chickpeas sold since the dawn of agriculture. |
14:27 |
hanbot |
not much of a lesson there. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot just as long as it's something. |
14:27 |
kakobrekla |
yes totally poor managers. |
14:28 |
hanbot |
yeah, well, ipad is *something*, like i said :D |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
the chickpeas you mean ? |
14:28 |
kakobrekla |
toothbrush and chickpeas are actually useful and needed |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes and that has a very faint but almost identifiable personality. |
14:28 |
kakobrekla |
you cant mix it all in one bag |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla sale volumes are no indication of management competence. |
14:29 |
kakobrekla |
well it could suck 200 mio more. |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
how are chickpeas needed anyway. you ever ate any ? |
14:30 |
* |
hanbot needs chickpeas |
14:30 |
kakobrekla |
see |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes you. but i am asking him |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i bet you he doesn't even know what they are :D |
14:30 |
kakobrekla |
but i also dont use apples. |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
or girls |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
14:30 |
hanbot |
they're wrong potatoes improperly fried, right? |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot no that's papafritas. |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
these are garbanzos |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
$conference |
14:40 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.79069767 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
14:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends << verboten, order of usg dept. of copyrasty (riaa/mpaa/etc) |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
who asked them anything. |
14:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: who asked them << presumably, apple corp. legal dept. |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yes well. i am not interested in buying technology made by legal depts. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
unfortunately the way this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough to fight and win, |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
jobs died. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
had he not died, he'd have been old and by then formatted. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
but 1965 jobs'd have said exactly the above. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
instead he wasted his time fighting idiotic union wars. |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"o let's push bezos into not paying engineers we shouldn't have hired salaries they shouldn't get anyway" |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
instead of selling diy robots and wall attachment accessories, they tried to make money selling a longer proprietary power cable. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ridoinkulous. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
there should not have existed a raspberry pi if apple had a twinkle of a clue. |
14:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: bad example, 'pi' is a pseudo-open turd |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and the cardano should have been implemented on the apple ipad. "just make sure you run it on battery" |
14:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lol |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
the pi as it claims, i mean, not the pi as it is |
14:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ahaha |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
if you keep laughing at me ima summon pesto. |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVurt8TjeA << this is pesto. |
14:59 |
assbot |
Pesto "Swell" - YouTube |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: steve jobs - as described in my 'hypercard' piece - was a master of chumpatronics, not of electronics. when he returned from exile, he zapped pretty much all r&d personnel, killed every project, smart or foolish, replaced all apple tech with repainted 'next'. |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
put it in context. |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the incredibly cheeky engineers in question had the unmitigated audacity to outs him from his own company because "they're merituous" |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd have fired them all too, and impaled a few, extra. |
15:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: herr jobs is credited with resurrecting the company, but he actually strangled it and turned the taxidermied skin into a kind of animatronic dinosaur. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
moral being, tech nec ultra keyboardam |
15:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ousted by engineers? afaik it was his immediate subordinates who coordinated his ouster, a la khruschev |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
breaking the barrier between "what we're doing" and "how we're doing it" is unhealthy in all cases |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform but they were engineers weren't they ? |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: engineers? on the board ? |
15:07 |
asciilifeform |
historical: http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2013/09/09/john-sculley-just-gave-his-most-detailed-account-ever-of-how-steve-jobs-got-fired-from-apple |
15:07 |
assbot |
John Sculley Just Gave His Most Detailed Account Ever Of How Steve Jobs Got Fired From Apple - Forbes |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
twasnt the board, wasn't it bitching about how the office was going to be ? |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
well sculley is making it all about himself, but no, my (not necessarily very valuable) understanding is that endless friction with various engineering teams over the 80s eventually bubbled up into it |
15:09 |
BingoBoingo |
I was under the impression the board wanted to turn "IBM" hence a few years of Sears selling "Mac Clones" |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: that came later. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
that was more like "ok we're screwed, how do we pretend this wasn't a terrible mistake" |
15:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, but cum follow desire |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
!up qq1932 |
15:12 |
qq1932 |
hi, mircea |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ello |
15:13 |
qq1932 |
I asked you to self-qualify on a basic physics level in PM. Depending on your answer, may have an interesting proposition for you. Unlike the two outside ventures, I am acutally prepared to share 100% of this (privately, due to IP considerations) because it is a discretionary project for me. |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
that's ok, i don't do private anything with people i don't know. |
15:13 |
asciilifeform |
welcome back mr. spam! |
15:14 |
fluffypony |
qq1932: make him sign an NDA |
15:14 |
fluffypony |
otherwise he'll steal your idea and enrich himself and his cronies |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i only sign nda's with blonde german chicks. |
15:14 |
fluffypony |
true story |
15:14 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
15:14 |
qq1932 |
There is no spam here. I have a remarkable discretionary project. It is open to people who self-qualify as understnading enough high-school physics that, for example, they could have understood the steam engine in 1500. (Or the Watt engine in 1700, 70 years earlier.) |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
and i mean literally. i place a bunch of blonde krautzettes in the shape of my signature on a lawn in which the nda was cut. |
15:14 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'm going to infer Angela was the blond |
15:15 |
qq1932 |
Note that energy is a RIPE field for actual scams. This is open to someone self-qualifying as having enough basic high-school physics understanding to see the distinction. |
15:15 |
The20YearIRCloud |
qq1932: does your project involve time travel? |
15:15 |
BingoBoingo |
qq1932: Is this the flappy plane idea? |
15:15 |
qq1932 |
No. It involves literally no unusual principles. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
qq1932 dude, there's a major difference between "highschool understanding" of any topic and fundamental understanding of such outstanding quality as to recognise fundamentally correct but contemporaneously obscure advances. |
15:15 |
fluffypony |
is this a lubrication project? |
15:15 |
kakobrekla |
The20YearIRCloud that actually works. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why fundamental mathematics only started in 1800. |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, ten fucking millenia after it begun its journey |
15:16 |
The20YearIRCloud |
he has time travel that works? THen really, really sign me up |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud tthe problem with it is that it only works one way, and at a fixed speed. |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
I'm interested in this self-qualification |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
does it involve hookers and / or blackjack? |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
because I can do either |
15:16 |
punkman |
do they still have physics in US high schools? |
15:17 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yes punkman |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman it's women's physics nao. |
15:17 |
BingoBoingo |
qq1932: Why do you need a new nick everytime you come here? |
15:17 |
qq1932 |
mircea, excuse me, I was in PM with BingoBoingo briefly. |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
make sure you let me know if you pee, too. |
15:18 |
fluffypony |
I was in a pm with BingoBoingo briefly too |
15:18 |
fluffypony |
but it didn't work out |
15:18 |
fluffypony |
it's not him, it's me |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up flibbr-dev |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony maybe you were in pms with bb |
15:18 |
fluffypony |
heh |
15:19 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I disagree with you that it always takes much more than "highschool understanding" of any topic to recognize fundamental innovations that eluded people. In fact, this is the reason a lot of people think the "obvious" bar is too low and no patents should be granted . I had someone tell me that there is no fundamental innovation of any kind in the past 200 years that was not "obvious". |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
good for that someone. |
15:19 |
fluffypony |
my rap music isn't obvious |
15:19 |
fluffypony |
mostly becuse it doesn't exist |
15:19 |
fluffypony |
yet. |
15:20 |
The20YearIRCloud |
lots of people are like that qq1932 , those are the people that rarely amount to anything |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, the time honored tradition of con artistry is to flatter people who are too stupid to understand how stupid they are by making this confusion, between "highschool understanding" as required to understand well known and widely understood topics, and extremely advanced fundamental understanding required to understand similarly just as simple, but not widely known topics. |
15:21 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I can understand this but in this particular case the principles are no more advanced (by comparison) than the Watt steam engine at the time. It's a different field, this is an analogy. |
15:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the time honored tradition of con artistry << i call this '10th dimension-ism' in honour of a particularly egregious web-based psycholoscamz0r. |
15:21 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I agree with what you're saying, and most innovations in, e.g. battery technology, or fusion reactor design, and so forth, are far too difficult for anyone other than a non-expert to evaluate. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform worked on the same premise ? |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: precisely same. diddles the mark's 'feeling educatickled' receptors. |
15:23 |
qq1932 |
Basically, I agree with you. At any rate anyone who is interested in hearing in this needs to self-qualify as having enough understanding of basic high-school physics that they actually could have understood the Watt steam engine 70 years early, if Watt had described it. If you self-qualify (it sounds, mircea_popescu, that your answer is no) we can discuss. This is a totally discretionary project. |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
works really well picking up women, fwiw. |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
qq1932 what is a "discretionary project" ? |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: works well << yes! 'tell me again about the waters of your homeworld.' ('Dune'.) |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
15:24 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I have not committed any resources to it, and cannot commit to full-time work on it; I have two major existing outside commitments. I may not do the project at all. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
15:24 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: this means, however, that I am at liberty to share 100% of it within hte limits of what IP law permits (as this is a licensing play, like Watt's engine). |
15:25 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: there is no "secret" component to this, I don't need to hold anything back. Of course, that only matters to those self-qualifying as having enough understnading to discriminate between the Watt's steam engine 70 years early (1700) and snake oil. |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, let me tell you something to help your head calibrate yourself. i recently wrote to a famous illustrator, whose work is celebrated by an actual fanbase and included in successful franchises. he committed, on the basis of that conversation, and the whole thing is costing me bitcoin fractions so far. |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you are not in the position to even remotely as a joke consider anything but slavish 100% dedication 16 hours a day with no sundays |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
for no pay whatsoever. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe, and i say MAYBE jobs can come up with "o i dunno, mebbe i feel like working on it" sorta deals |
15:26 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: well, I am not in a position to drop my other projects to pursue this discretionary project. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so then your problem's solved right there. |
15:26 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: the other projects hvae employees, progress, etc. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
to put it in other words : harems are for lords. |
15:26 |
bounce |
pfft. guys, youse got it all rong |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
plebs get one wife, and love her to death. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
and that IF they're lucky. |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
now s/woman/idea and you get the idea. |
15:27 |
bounce |
this project needs self realisation. with, of course, copious fees to dear supplicant to make that all happen. |
15:27 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I realize that you have self-qualified above with "no". I do not want to convince you based on appeals to authority, collaborators, third-party things, etc. This is a suitable partnership with someone who would self-qualify as 'yes' to the above question. Thank you however. |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce you got previous exposure ? |
15:27 |
bounce |
it's just updated for the modern age with some ancient-sounding modern physics. best of all worlds, see? |
15:28 |
bounce |
fuck no, I just got bored of the repetetetetetetetetive sales pitch. |
15:28 |
kakobrekla |
there are more groups trying to build that scam than there parts needed to supposedly make it. |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
qq1932 i didn't selfanything dood. this ain't about me. |
15:29 |
qq1932 |
mircea_popescu: I don't know how else to put this. I want to pitch just someone who has the level of physics understanding that they would have understood and funded the Watt engine (as an IP play, which is what it was) in 1700 (70 years early.) |
15:29 |
bounce |
show of hands. is anybody amused by the pitch? does it anything for you at all? |
15:29 |
qq1932 |
There is no pitch so far ,sorry. |
15:29 |
punkman |
reminds me of broken bird |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like free talk therapy. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i would submit that the worst invention of the 20th century was not the a bomb, nor the concentration camp, nor statal racism |
15:30 |
kakobrekla |
if only you could harvest the energy of people trying to make this happen. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
but the god damned idea that politeness is something that may be afforded to the horde. |
15:30 |
qq1932 |
It might not be the right audience. I've had interest in other places, but they did not have money. However, I would not like to refer to them, I would really only pitch this specific project, in full, to someone who thinks they have the background, specifically in basic physics. |
15:30 |
bounce |
.oO( spinning dead energy generation ) |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
now they're all going about calling each other sir and acting as if they're fucking people. it's a sickening display. |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
then a generation down the road, you get this derpage. |
15:31 |
qq1932 |
Would anyone else self-qualify as yes to my question? |
15:33 |
bounce |
much misreading of audience. wow. |
15:33 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes |
15:33 |
qq1932 |
People can decide who they are and what they're interested in. |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm off to read romanian seduction websites, bbl. |
15:33 |
kakobrekla |
(in a gui) |
15:35 |
los_pantalones |
so is this non-pitch pitch gonna happen or it's only private shows ? |
15:35 |
fluffypony |
I was hoping for dinner and a show |
15:35 |
fluffypony |
but alas |
15:35 |
qq1932 |
los pantalones - I'm afraid nobody has self-qualified as yes to this, so it is not. |
15:35 |
qq1932 |
but thank you for your time guys. |
15:35 |
los_pantalones |
RagnarDanneskjol did |
15:35 |
qq1932 |
oh, I thought he was agreeing with bounce. |
15:36 |
los_pantalones |
suppose that's possible as well |
15:36 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I know physics sure. whatchu got man |
15:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00075058 = 7.0555 BTC [-] {3} |
15:37 |
qq1932 |
here's the deal guys. if you google >patents public disclosure< you will see that there are limits to what can be said in a public channel, since I do not plan on entering the manufacturing field of the project. privately after a brief agreement I can and am happy to share 100%. tihs is part of why I need someone who would self-qualify as being able to discriminate and, e.g., understand the Watt steam engine in 1700. |
15:38 |
bounce |
too indirect, sorry. |
15:38 |
los_pantalones |
pass |
15:38 |
qq1932 |
This project is discretionary for me and if I don't find a backer based on this pre-qualificaiton then it is not happening. I have two other outside commitments that are very serious. |
15:38 |
bounce |
then it isn't happening. not impressed. sorry. |
15:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i'll pass thanks |
15:39 |
qq1932 |
it's okay. Nobody has self-qualified. Without the self-qualification, it 100% sounds like a scam. But then, so would the Watt steam engine. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://arsekick.blogspot.com.ar/2010_07_01_archive.html << this is actually not bad. |
15:39 |
assbot |
Daily Arse Kick: July 2010 |
15:39 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!down qq1932 |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"Guilt is sexy. You can really only talk dirty to a person if you have been blessed with guilt." |
15:39 |
bounce |
also, you're now thoroughly in the "waste of time" bucket by saying the same vapid things five times in a row. of course, our fault. so sorry. |
15:45 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller |
15:45 |
thestringpuller |
ground control to major popescu |
15:46 |
thestringpuller |
ground control to major nubbins` |
15:46 |
thestringpuller |
lolol |
15:46 |
nubbins` |
did you get my message re: shirts? |
15:46 |
thestringpuller |
did not |
15:46 |
bounce |
yeah uh, where's the protein pills? |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
ah. |
15:47 |
thestringpuller |
one second |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
the fonts in the .ai file weren't outlined, and i don't have the fonts on my system |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
so your trademark "TM" thing shows up as Arial, dead-center |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
which i'm assuming is not what you want |
15:48 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#829917 |
15:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-09-2014 00:24:55; nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts finally arrived, printing films; your design doesn't have text converted to outlines |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"I had this notion that it would be interesting to meet people from all around the world and show them Galway, but most of the visitors we got were extremely boring eastern Europeans who kept their food in a separate plastic bag and got up early to do yoga." |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently couch surfing isn't all it's cracked up to be |
15:58 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins` yea i can't get in contact with the designer. He's being really sensitive right now. |
15:58 |
thestringpuller |
So can you put production on pause for 48 hours? |
15:58 |
thestringpuller |
until I can resolve this? |
15:58 |
nubbins` |
no rush on my end :) |
15:59 |
thestringpuller |
of course :) |
15:59 |
thestringpuller |
but there is on mine as I might be able to get these into Zumiez |
15:59 |
nubbins` |
nod |
16:04 |
nubbins` |
anyway, we're ready whenever. shirts are here, films are printed. should be in the mail within 24h of getting the graphic sorted |
16:05 |
nubbins` |
i also emailed your buddy the same info fwiw |
16:13 |
thestringpuller |
yea the buddy is annoying me |
16:13 |
thestringpuller |
kinda wants to put up a silent treatment and waste my and your time ;) |
16:13 |
thestringpuller |
when did you email him btw? |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
re kako's "cost 18k usd" thing : a financial economy has one benefit exactly, and that is, making the price point not a consideration anymore. |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
in point of fact people can and do spend 18k just on financing for a car they don't need (either because they live in ny, or because it'd be the 3rd family car etc) |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the only consideration is if the thing actually costs 18k to make (cars don't really, but the mess of "safety" and "environmental" regulations make the "car" as defined actulaly cost a lot to make) |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact items as expensive as 50k are consumer products just fine, because of the finance economy. |
16:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-] {2} |
16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
all you really need to do is make life appear unworth living without your 18k tablet, for guaranteed sales well north of 1.8 trillion |
16:23 |
* |
asciilifeform would much rather see computer cost (and worth) 50k then wheeled coffin |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform definitely, i'm not saying barriers must go. |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem of course is the converse situation : products like the btc, wot or gpg, without which life ACTUALLY IS not worth living |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but which SEEM exactly the contrary. |
16:25 |
* |
asciilifeform catches up with log, reads the latest mr. spam, and wonders if he's the only one here familiar with traditional 'агентурная работа' tradecraft. i.e. why the bugger wants you (for some value of 'you') alone, in dark alley, and feeling warm & special & 'pre-qualified.' |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
and what his plan is for the recruited chump. |
16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform atm just unit testing, im sure. |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: so classic and textbook, though, it's riotously funny |
16:26 |
bounce |
no idea about the (probably) cyrillic, but the tactic was pretty obvious down to boring me to tears |
16:27 |
bounce |
would 'pre-approved for self-qualification' make a decent shirt somehow? |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: the term 'agent work.' refers to how traitors are traditionally recruited by the masters of the 20th century - totalitarian intelligence agencies. (and, arguably, every intelligence worker since cave man) |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce : agenturnaya rabota |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
suddenly transparent |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
russians having invented robots, they get the benefit of seeing things like "worker worker" whenever someone has a worker robot in a game or somewhere. |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
czechs. |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
same difference. small small russians right ? |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ukrainians ^ -1 |
16:29 |
bounce |
on the note of nigerian scammers deliberately writing horrible ingrish to filter out the chumps... what'd the successful scam ratings do if the regulars in -otc would manage to write well-punctuated correct english? |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: in exactly same sense clit is micropenis |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what's your idea of teh bohemian kingdom ? |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce make a new -otc |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: habsburg affair, doesn't smell very slavic to me |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
because the current one "wrongly vaporized" or w/e was gmaxwell's expression. |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well what, germans ?! |
16:31 |
bounce |
o_O? |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
germans. |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
in that case lombards are germans too ?! |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
your idea of germanity is perhaps very similar to napoleon's |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"well they're not corsicans, i'll tell you that! so..." |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
orcs vs humans! |
16:33 |
bounce |
cheesy argument |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
agenturnaya rabota >> in english lands, called, afaik, 'HUMINT.' |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform funny linguistic trainwreck : during the early 1990s, the leftover us derps tried to organise the maidan thing in romania too. it was called "miscarea piata universitatii", dunno why the fixation on "plaza" in the name. |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: simple heuristic. folks who incorrigibly piss in apartment lobbies, elevators - 'orcs.' those who don't - 'humans', or 'germans' if you like. |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it failed horribly, the cryptocommie in charge brought some miners from mining country to beat the shit out of the "intellectuals" and assorted aggitators |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
aha 'colour revolution.' |
16:36 |
bounce |
HUMINT is anything to do with running human agents |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but, on his tv address, he blamed "foreign agenturas", ie, agenturile straine |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: yes. |
16:36 |
bounce |
google books really excels in being fscking useless |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
which is ridiculous, because in romanian that says "the russians" which were his backers mostly. |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: but before you can 'run' them, have to recruit. |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform your pissing theory is weak because singapore went from one to the other over one generation. |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a zapped theory, just needs a little 'epicycle.' that being: orc and human exist in dynamic equilibrium; 'orcish' land has a trace element of 'human' and vice versa |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
so they can in principle flip. |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
even without an anthropological 'cleaning' (read megadeath) |
16:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
same people tho. |
16:39 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, whats the russian word for germans actually mean? |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
basically it masquerades as an ontology when it's merely phenomenology is my objection. |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nemtzi ? |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
chetty, mircea_popescu: 'the mute people' |
16:39 |
chetty |
:P |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
think origins of word 'barbarian' |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform btw, as far as romanians are concerned, russians (muscali) have tails. |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google muscali cu coada |
16:40 |
gribble |
Calare pe melc: <http://calarepemelc.ro/>; Prea multe urlete Mercantia 2014- vlog ! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLxHrZJ8sU>; Dan Constantin Soroiu | Facebook: <https://ro-ro.facebook.com/danconstantin.soroiu> |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: москали, lol |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the ukrs lifted it, too |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
but it also is used by provincial folks to gripe about the capital & the central gov. in general. approx. 'damned muscovites' |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
same as how many people in usa refer to usg tentacle monster as 'washington' |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
even though in reality it is reasonably spread out geographically |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
maryland doesn't have the same ring to it |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and it'd be hostile to women |
16:41 |
chetty |
I suppose we are doing the same thing with things like libtards |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
similarly to how noobs and "journalist" derps talk of wall street |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
when it's really connecticut and hampton |
16:43 |
bounce |
"liberal" sounds right-wing to me, as in non-labour. but then, us politics are right-shifted compared to pinko-commie treehugging yurpeen politics. |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
my peen is righter shifted than your peen |
16:44 |
bounce |
(how ironic that the USA effectively has a single party left. alright, two names and a dissident faction, but the politics are still muchly one party.) |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
not particularly ironic |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
all places devoid of property end up with a state-party system |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
;;google palace economies |
16:45 |
gribble |
Palace economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy>; "Palace economy" In: The Encyclopedia of Ancient History: <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah06237/pdf>; Redistribution in Aegean Palatial Societies | American Journal of ...: <http://www.ajaonline.org/forum/905> |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement |
16:46 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement//cough cough choke |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: civilopaedia! 'you have developed Monarchy! can now move on from Despotism.' |
16:48 |
bounce |
what makes a palace economy? >50% of the population on the dole? |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that end up is not even correct. they are. pretense to the contrary won't long endure. |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce know anyone that did fundamental research on his own account since ww2 ? |
16:50 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: palace economy is any system where the crown is the (or even 'a') first-class financial, economic, cultural - player. |
16:51 |
asciilifeform |
but literally - anywhere goods are delivered mainly to - and distributed mainly from - the palace. |
16:53 |
bounce |
wikipedia says we left the last of those behind in the bronze age. so if the argument goes those things are still around (and they could well be, the eu likes this too for one) then we still need a useful classifier |
16:56 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Well, who feeds the wikipedos? |
16:56 |
bounce |
little wikichildren nobody thinks about |
16:57 |
BingoBoingo |
No, that's what they are fed. |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google wikipedia "Suite A" |
17:01 |
gribble |
NSA Suite A Cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography>; Suite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite>; Suite (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite_(music)> |
17:07 |
bounce |
oh, our physics peddler is taking it to -otc |
17:07 |
kakobrekla |
from blockr guys under coinbase; http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for |
17:07 |
assbot |
The Coinbase Blog Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers |
17:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Interesting kakobrekla |
17:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 232 @ 0.18361788 = 42.5993 BTC [-] {8} |
17:18 |
kakobrekla |
good part: works w/o bitcoind |
17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah. Also it seems to not have its own wallt implementation, or at least the press release doesn't mention one which is a plus. |
17:28 |
kakobrekla |
no wallet. |
17:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Always nice to have more node options that don't care where the transactions they push come from |
17:45 |
thestringpuller |
"nodes without wallets" |
17:45 |
thestringpuller |
like "reporters without borders" |
17:46 |
kdomanski |
;;ud sneaky rafiki |
17:46 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneaky%20Rafiki | Jan 6, 2008 ... Guy 1: Dude I gave Jess a sneaky rafiki last night! Guy 2: ...... That's fucked up man.. *gives huge high five*. by dirty old man dan March 18, ... |
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18:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00196998 = 0.5417 BTC [-] |
19:00 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> ... make your own fucktoy << you know,this reviled IBM PC was practically opensource and fully extensible hardware |
19:00 |
jurov |
even the most complicated part of it , the [234]86 was independently replicated |
19:01 |
jurov |
you see for youself what happened to it anyway. |
19:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00074945 = 11.8413 BTC [-] |
19:13 |
jurov |
'the mute people'<< same here, additionally "šváb" (Swabian) and "rus" (Russian) are both widely names for cockroach species |
19:13 |
jurov |
*widely used |
19:14 |
jurov |
Swabians vaguely means Germans |
19:17 |
jurov |
lol actually there is more |
19:17 |
kakobrekla |
švab is german here also. |
19:17 |
jurov |
Šváb obyčajný = Blatta orientalis |
19:18 |
jurov |
Rus domový= Blatella germanica (wtf) |
19:18 |
jurov |
and of course Šváb americký = Periplaneta americana |
19:21 |
jurov |
so, both east (near and far) and west got equal recognition. |
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19:57 |
TheNewDeal |
curious to see if anyone knows how http://bitcoincharts.com/ calculates network hashrate. Looked around a little and couldnt find the answer |
19:57 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Charts |
20:01 |
mike_c |
kakobrekla: is toshi what was/is powering blockr? |
20:01 |
kakobrekla |
mike_c nope |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
soo, i went to check out this bitcoin embassy thing |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone want to see pictures ? |
20:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, isn't this what Trilema's for? |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov> you see for youself what happened to it anyway. << it took over and set the course of computer history ? |
20:04 |
jurov |
yes. and everyone hates it |
20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Fan_death |
20:05 |
assbot |
Fan death - Encyclopedia Dramatica |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
lol the american svab. not bad. |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: we had 'prussian' roaches. |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov not being hated is a slave's aspiration. |
20:09 |
jurov |
yes, but still it clouds judgment of people like asciilifeform |
20:10 |
jurov |
if i understand him cirrectly, ibm pc destroyed better architectures |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: nope. |
20:12 |
asciilifeform |
the maggots are rarely the murder weapon. |
20:13 |
jurov |
maggots. |
20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Often the maggots seem like their are try to help. "Oh here's some necrotic tissue to debride!" |
20:15 |
jurov |
mircea see? which manager is going to do such thing, only to get it labeled maggots by his peers? |
20:16 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: x86 is not scar tissue because it is popular, but because it genuinely sucks, and sucked from day 1 compared to virtually all known alternatives. |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
a peerless one ? |
20:17 |
jurov |
only peerless one |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Uohz_ |
20:19 |
jurov |
i now have better understanding why jobs had to humiliate engineers to get what he wanted |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
do tell? |
20:20 |
jurov |
As early as 1987, the New York Times wrote: "by the early 80's, Mr. Jobs was widely hated at Apple. Senior management had to endure his temper tantrums. He created resentment among employees by turning some into stars and insulting others, often reducing them to tears. Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry after fights with fellow executives". |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, so sculley wasn't telling it like it was huh. |
20:21 |
mike_c |
elmo had four ducks |
20:21 |
asciilifeform |
Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry << gotta be a hatchet job |
20:22 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/ |
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20:22 |
assbot |
P2Pool |
20:22 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm << mega-lol |
20:24 |
X-Rob |
BingoBoingo: I can try aiming there again if you want |
20:24 |
X-Rob |
let's have a look |
20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
X-Rob: Might as well. |
20:25 |
X-Rob |
share difficulty of 188 is still going to be bad |
20:25 |
X-Rob |
but, let's see what happens |
20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Your hash should drive it up. |
20:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.18481285 = 2.5874 BTC [-] {6} |
20:26 |
BingoBoingo |
I've also only got a bit more than 22 hours of rented hash left |
20:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Hopefully this thing plays well with different workers mining to the same address. |
20:27 |
X-Rob |
OK, that's better. It's now accepting shares at 1024 when I ask it to |
20:27 |
X-Rob |
it's still resetting every couple of seconds, but, that's just how p2pool works |
20:28 |
X-Rob |
it appears to be better |
20:28 |
X-Rob |
albiet still sub-optimal |
20:28 |
X-Rob |
but that' |
20:28 |
X-Rob |
s a p2pool limitation now |
20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
X-Rob: But still, more transparent than alternatives. When chalbersma get on feel free to suggest some optimizations if you can think of any. |
20:29 |
X-Rob |
there aren't any |
20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Cool |
20:29 |
X-Rob |
this is now as good as it's going to get 8) |
20:29 |
X-Rob |
Well |
20:30 |
X-Rob |
... maybe it could be better |
20:30 |
X-Rob |
Hmm |
20:30 |
X-Rob |
What I'm seeing on the dashboard is not what I"m seeing when submitting shares. |
20:30 |
BingoBoingo |
I have to say this is probably the most consistent rented hash I've ever had it seems. The 600GH/s pointed at it nao |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
X-Rob so why does it suck ? |
20:31 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: I don't think I used the word suck. |
20:31 |
X-Rob |
And If I did, I shouldn't have. |
20:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.183 = 7.869 BTC [-] |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
kay, so why's it suboptimal ? |
20:32 |
X-Rob |
Assume 'asic reset time' = ... 500msec. That happens whenver the pool says 'discard all your work, I have a new block with a new coinbase' |
20:33 |
X-Rob |
on a non-p2pool pool, that happens once every block |
20:33 |
mike_c |
so catchy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LEYwoooVfw |
20:33 |
assbot |
Sesame Street: Elmo's Ducks - YouTube |
20:33 |
X-Rob |
so every 10 minutes, 500msec of hashing is thrown away |
20:33 |
X-Rob |
that's not that bad. |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
and on a p2pool ? |
20:33 |
X-Rob |
but p2pool has sharechains. The sharechains is, according to p2pool, a new block |
20:34 |
X-Rob |
so every n seconds a share is found (Which, currently, is about 8k or so, looking at when I'm getting resets sent through) |
20:34 |
X-Rob |
I'm submitting a valid share every.. 10 seconds or so |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so every 8k seconds ? |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
mike_c: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCTL69saJVQ |
20:34 |
assbot |
10 Orks (subtitle eng) - YouTube |
20:34 |
X-Rob |
I'm finding a block with a difficulty of 8k every 10 seconds. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ah |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
so 60x as much wastage ? |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
this is hopeless. |
20:35 |
X-Rob |
which means every 10 seconds, I (and all the rest of the miners) get told to discard everythign they're working on |
20:35 |
X-Rob |
yes. |
20:35 |
cazalla |
cryptsy users about to get btfo with spam "Cryptsy will actively promote digitalX Mintsy to its customer base of over 250,000 registered users, who currently trade over 200 different types of digital currencies, making the site a leader in digital currency trading." |
20:35 |
X-Rob |
mircea_popescu: This is POSSIBLY just because this p2pool doesn't have any history on block time |
20:35 |
X-Rob |
let's see how it goes after it finds a block |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla i wanna meet the followers for all these leaders. america, the land of the 99 leaders to the duck. |
20:36 |
BingoBoingo |
X-Rob: It's found 5 |
20:37 |
X-Rob |
Hmmm |
20:37 |
mike_c |
asciilifeform: I'll try it on my son tomorrow night and let you know how it goes |
20:37 |
asciilifeform |
mike_c: that song is about pretty much every place i've ever worked. |
20:37 |
mike_c |
i like it :) |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_3sS0rTCo << same deal. |
20:40 |
assbot |
Un elefant se legana ... TraLaLa - YouTube |
20:42 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-35/ |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: these are ascending |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian optimism. |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
'our [soviet] elephants - largest in the world!' - unknown wag |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNdwFwV6Ao << Traditional Anglo Lullaby |
20:46 |
assbot |
TEN LITTLE NIGGER BOYS - YouTube |
20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
I think every culture has its own countdown from 10 song |
20:50 |
mike_c |
diff |
20:50 |
mike_c |
sry |
20:52 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
re p2pool - like I said: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807513 |
20:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-08-2014 12:58:47; RagnarDanneskjol: going to try multiple options - prolly mpos cuz p2pool sux hairy balls |
20:52 |
kakobrekla |
BingoBoingo : monte negros only goes down to 7. |
20:54 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: If it wasn't a badbet I'd suggest maor white Americans get ebola y Jan 1st 2015 than black Americans. Seems safe since they already have the lead. |
20:55 |
kakobrekla |
anyone knows what is the record for male 100m sprint in Montenegro? |
20:55 |
kakobrekla |
fine, ill tell you. its 44 meters. |
20:55 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
BingoBoingo - what is the name of the miners you are using - if its gonna stop tomorow, I might take it over so there's more than one miner on the pool. and I assume rob isnt planning to keep his running 24/7 indefinitely, right? |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/6653 |
20:57 |
assbot |
Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs |
20:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
thank. have a contact name? |
20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Just that the page lists and owner name. Other rigs might be a better value. |
20:59 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ok. just looking for reliability at this point. |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:20] Accepted 34998985 Diff 1.25K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3 |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:22] Accepted 18493fe2 Diff 2.7K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3 |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:25] Accepted 15f9f3ce Diff 2.98K/1024 AV2 0 pool 3 |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Found block for pool 3! |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Stratum from pool 3 requested work restart |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Accepted 04b43970 Diff 3.57M/1024 BLOCK! AV2 0 pool 3 |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
[2014-09-17 10:58:33] Stratum from pool 3 detected new block |
20:59 |
X-Rob |
|
21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla lol 44 metres ?? |
21:01 |
kakobrekla |
thats the record. :) |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: A big thing with p2pool seems to be finding miners that play nicely with it. Antminer S2's suck, but S1's and S3's are ok. Other rigs are somewhat trial and error in my limited research. |
21:03 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: http://photo.oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051614147 << just for you. 'ballerina at the machine.' |
21:03 |
assbot |
- |
21:06 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ahh - interesting. this I did not know |
21:08 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!up RagnarsBitch |
21:08 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: Well complicating this is also that other than Antminers I dunno what mining hardware is actually shipping in quantity |
21:09 |
RagnarsBitch |
OK. I will do some research then |
21:12 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarsBitch: Also with that site... It just functions as a sort of Ebay trying to be a "dumb" middleman so contacting rig owners off their paltform is a hassel |
21:14 |
RagnarsBitch |
Ohhh. So like nicehash. That is good to know..I missed that |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarsBitch: There seem to be a few of these sites. It was just the first one mentioned when the constipation crisis happened. I think Blazedout419 brought it up |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Blazedout419 |
21:17 |
chalbersma |
@Ragnar did someone else add hashing power to the nodes? |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
21:18 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
21:18 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 73.30 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
21:18 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 293762.94 in 1081 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.36 |
21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
chalbersma: X-Rob just pointed his over |
21:18 |
chalbersma |
Nice |
21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
chalbersma: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831691 is where to do the quick catching up |
21:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-09-2014 00:22:07; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/ |
21:20 |
X-Rob |
heh |
21:20 |
X-Rob |
The share difficulty is better, chalbersma, btw |
21:20 |
X-Rob |
the gui is saying it's still small, but it seems to be only asking for resets at about 12k now |
21:20 |
X-Rob |
Block! |
21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, fixing the share difficulty was in part my bashing hash into the pool unproductively for a while's result |
21:21 |
X-Rob |
BingoBoingo: nah |
21:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck Yeah |
21:21 |
X-Rob |
It wasn't accepting +diff before |
21:21 |
X-Rob |
and now it is |
21:21 |
X-Rob |
that was the first major fix that chalbersma did |
21:21 |
chalbersma |
Everybody loves a block. |
21:21 |
chalbersma |
X-Rob I looked it up. It will accept +diff but there's a maximum + you can go up. going 1024 when diff was 1 was too much. |
21:22 |
BingoBoingo |
X-Rob: Well, maybe a mix. For a while there were 0.002 second share times. |
21:22 |
X-Rob |
chalbersma: Hmmm. Anyway, it's working fine now with +1024 |
21:22 |
X-Rob |
and that's the important thing. |
21:23 |
chalbersma |
Indeed |
21:23 |
BingoBoingo |
!s blogger.com |
21:23 |
assbot |
2 results for 'blogger.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blogger.com |
21:23 |
X-Rob |
The pool still has its share difficulty way too low. |
21:24 |
chalbersma |
Ya when you look at p2pool in Bitcoin nobody has a share of the network like you and Bingo do. |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
chalbersma: Now you need to coordinate with mod6 to get the pool added to: |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
21:24 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
21:24 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 109.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.34 TH/s |
21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
o look it dropped :D |
21:25 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I think an iSpace miner may have defected to this new pool |
21:30 |
nubbins` |
http://dollar.fail |
21:30 |
assbot |
Bitcoin - Open source P2P money |
21:30 |
nubbins` |
lel |
21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitcoin.org is the original domain name used with the first Bitcoin website. It was registered and is still managed by Bitcoin core developers and by additional community members, with the input of Bitcoin communities. Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin. |
21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
much better. |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
and where goes bitcoin.fail ? |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
there. |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
oh |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
some derp wanting to sell it. |
21:32 |
nubbins` |
to some guy hawking domain names |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
phil@bitcoin.ink |
21:32 |
nubbins` |
phil's got money to burn |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
no you don't understand investing |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not burned if there's hope |
21:34 |
nubbins` |
o o |
21:35 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/more-visuals-from-buenos-aires/ |
21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo ^ |
21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Thanks, I might have to meet this Parrot guy |
21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!up RagnarsBitch |
21:42 |
nubbins` |
maybe he can get you into the embassy |
21:42 |
nubbins` |
i think there's a guy in montreal with one of those as well |
21:47 |
nubbins` |
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15576/bracing-bitcoin-buenos-aires/ |
21:47 |
assbot |
Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
orly. |
21:57 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/09/16/what-in-the-world-were-those-white-objects-hovering-over-washington-d-c/ << they're watching |
21:57 |
assbot |
What in the world were those white objects hovering over Washington, D.C.? |
21:58 |
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21:58 |
asciilifeform |
these were announced some time last month, i think. |
21:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah but it turns out it wasn't the 'radar blimps' |
21:59 |
decimation |
it's some other unit of usg doing spending money it doesn't have |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
or amateurs, testing the waters. |
21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
21:59 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.62, Best ask: 463.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 463.5, 24 hour volume: 5304.89306353, 24 hour low: 462.0, 24 hour high: 473.69, 24 hour vwap: 467.803999969 |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.popville.com/2014/03/about-that-balloon-in-the-sky-over-dupont << from comments, reference to commercial balloon service which is sometimes used in the city. |
22:02 |
assbot |
About that Balloon in the Sky Over Dupont | PoPville |
22:02 |
decimation |
perhaps it's the humble beginnings of the Ugandan space program: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html |
22:02 |
assbot |
Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts |
22:03 |
decimation |
why the hell does a 'height master plan' need a balloon for photography? |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
balloon-monger gotta eat. |
22:04 |
decimation |
maybe they can sell balloons to zambia |
22:04 |
decimation |
actually a well engineered balloon system would be a great 'pauper's space program' |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.amazon.com/dia-Professional-Weather-Balloon-green/dp/B00DWG25E8 << not a military secret. buy all you want. |
22:04 |
assbot |
Amazon.com : 8 ft. dia. Professional Weather Balloon, 150g (green) : Weather Stations : Patio, Lawn & Garden |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
problem is, these pop (by design) at a certain height. |
22:05 |
decimation |
yeah ideally you want it to adjust its height so it can use the winds to station-keep indefinitely |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/forensic_geology/japenese%20vengenance%20bombs%20new.htm |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
(winds, stationkeeping, got it all...) |
22:06 |
decimation |
plus submarines! |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
all this, with 19th c. tech. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
not even rubber. |
22:08 |
decimation |
my understanding is that the japanese were actually very close to a working nuke bomb |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not so much close to an actual physical unit, but had the correct approach (vs. german heavy water.) |
22:09 |
decimation |
submarine + bigass balloon + nuke = megadeath |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
afaik they flew from japan proper. |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
no subs required. |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
get out of here, atom bomb baloons |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
temperamental machines, they were, not where you'd stuff a precious handmade '40s nuke |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
but - cheap. |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
'cheap & angry' |
22:11 |
decimation |
yeah you are right, I guess the submarines were just a hypothesis (although could still be true, sand from beach, launched from sub) |
22:11 |
decimation |
yeah I'm not sure that the rubber/plastic technology of the age could have made a big enough balloon |
22:12 |
decimation |
or set of balloons |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: dirigible. |
22:12 |
decimation |
I think we had a conversation about cow guts being a military secret in germany |
22:14 |
decimation |
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/other-wwi-aviation/59492-how-many-cows-does-take-build-zeppelin.html |
22:14 |
assbot |
How many cows does it take to build a Zeppelin? |
22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation not the rubber, not the gas (how do you get helium on a sub ?) |
22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
etc |
22:14 |
decimation |
in theory one could produce hydrogen from the seawater with lots of energy |
22:15 |
asciilifeform |
He on a sub - nuttery. H on the other hand... |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah glwt |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it burns because it gets bored. |
22:15 |
decimation |
heh yeah |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
why not make azide baloon then |
22:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Because touching the balloon would set it off? |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but even for the hell of it - calculate the sub that can carry the diesel engine that can make the electricity thyat can fill a baloon |
22:16 |
decimation |
It would probably be best to build a couple devices and stuff them on airplanes that are stuffed into submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine |
22:16 |
assbot |
I-400-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
22:17 |
decimation |
of course the actual devices used by the us could never be carried by such light aircraft |
22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation you're starting to sound like the hershey bar guy |
22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"let's make a flying galleon!11" |
22:17 |
decimation |
hehe |
22:17 |
decimation |
I have a proposition for you but you need to self-select into a watt engine between 500-700 years ago |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://adlittlechronicles.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-silk-purses-and-lead-balloons.html |
22:17 |
assbot |
ADL Chronicles: Of Silk Purses and Lead Balloons |
22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i actually invented watt engines 750 years ago, over a coffee chat with twinklebros |
22:19 |
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22:19 |
decimation |
but zuckerberg stole the idea because he googled 'im stealin ur patents' |
22:19 |
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22:19 |
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22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
no, watt did |
22:19 |
decimation |
no he was a front for zuck's sister |
22:22 |
decimation |
I'm looking forward to facebook's space program http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/14/facebook-hires-satellite-executive-from-google/ |
22:22 |
assbot |
Facebook Hires Satellite Executive from Google - Digits - WSJ |
22:24 |
decimation |
actually for what facebook wasted on whatsapp, they could have had a really nice little satellite constellation (assuming they had the will to engineer it properly) |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.8btc.com/everyones-a-scammer |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
glonass didn't cost 20 bn, and it;'s afaik better than the gps stuff |
22:27 |
decimation |
herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2 |
| |
↖ |
22:27 |
assbot |
A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up DiabloD3 |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation you should see what the gas cost them |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone can read chinese, wtf is 自愿持有那些法币臭狗屎 |
22:28 |
mircea_popescu |
something with dogshit in it |
22:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.199 = 0.597 BTC [+] |
22:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2} |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
$13k 1945 dollars per V2 << lol! the ultimate 'confusion between the warm and the soft things.' |
22:33 |
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Bet placed: 3.01 BTC for No on "BitPay closed before the end of the year" http://bitbet.us/bet/757/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.26346298 BTC. Current weight: 27,079. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
vile 20th century broke many good things, incl. fungibility of money. |
22:34 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: this is true. But even at 1000x that price, you can buy many rockets for $19bn today |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
how many circa 2014 u.s. dollars buy $1 of circa 1905 german chemistry? and wtf does that even mean. |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform % of total world still works as a comparison term. |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
19bn bezzlars? try to spend that much empty paper and buy one rocket. |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
1% of earth is worth 1% of earth at any point in time. |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
not sure 19bn buys 1% of earth unless in the form of briefcases loaded with bejies |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
well notrly, buy bitcoin for it, then buy the rocket :D |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
*benj |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
sure. but same applies. can't be in, e.g., 'yahoo' stock. |
22:37 |
cazalla |
hilarious, top video on reddit, guy getting jacked at gun point in where else but Buenos Aires |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
no wai. |
22:37 |
cazalla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY |
22:37 |
assbot |
Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
this has so got to be fake |
22:37 |
decimation |
the way the nazis got there was partially by making von braun the personal dictator of their rocket program and partialy by slave labor |
22:37 |
cazalla |
and this is like 5 mins after reading your article |
22:37 |
decimation |
neither of which are available today |
22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
where the fuck is he |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
looks like baracas or something |
22:40 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Glonass is better than GPS |
22:40 |
decimation |
it seems that there is a division between those who are rich in bezzlars and those who could use them to do something worthwhile |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: as per very definition of bezzlar. |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao that guy has no future as a robber |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
pull that shit on the wrong guy he'd have fed him his pistol by now |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
reddit >> http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm |
22:42 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, apparently La Boca |
22:42 |
decimation |
I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the glonass wagon: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2139300/russias-glonass-gps-system-suffers-major-disruption.html |
22:42 |
assbot |
Russia's Glonass GPS system suffers major disruption | PCWorld |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
Berta Lovejoy1 hour ago |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
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22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
This is why I say that all men should have an annual mandatory mental checkup. Over 80% of inmates are men, and 40% of the global male population ends up in prison at some point in their life. It is clear that they have some sort of genetic defect that makes them act irresponsibly and end up putting others at risk. Peace and civility can only be achieved if we ensure that the male population has a normal functioning st |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ate of mind. |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. |
22:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
There was supposed to be a ? After what I said. Glonass has been very problematic. When it works its great but way more unreliable than GPS |
22:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
GPS has essentially had 100% uptime since the 80s. Glonass started in 1976 and hasn't worked correctly till about 2004 |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i've not been following it too closely. |
22:43 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: report to your local reeducation camp to adjust your mental health |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but afaik they mostly fixed it. |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
it'll get 100% uptime when the last wintel box in russia is ceremonially burned. |
22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation or i could just bitchslap her if she starts droning around me |
22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
either way. |
22:44 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The joys of feminazidom |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
hasn't worked correctly till about 2004 >> imperial collapse isn't terribly great for satellite constellations. as usa will soon discover. |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
(along with vassal states) |
22:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
What's median lifespan of a GPS satellite? Last time I checked it was over 30 years |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
rated life ~= 10 yrs. (optimal) |
22:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Even with collapse the constellation has good working chances through 2050 |
22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
The20YearIRCloud: I dun think you know how frequently GPS satellites get replaced |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
5-7 yrs. in practice |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
and this is without any banana dictator deciding one day to play selective-access games with the machines. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
did you just make a racist remark @obama ? |
22:47 |
decimation |
the details behind the glonass outage: http://gpsworld.com/the-system-glonass-in-april-what-went-wrong/ |
22:47 |
assbot |
The System: GLONASS in April, What Went Wrong : GPS World |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/07/video-russian-laser-show-features-obama-sucking-on-a-banana |
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22:47 |
assbot |
VIDEO: Russian Laser Show Features Obama Sucking on a Banana |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla http://www.expanish.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Buenos-Aires-barrios1.gif |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i am in awe of my geolocation skills |
22:49 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: I think they try to keep a few 'spares' in orbit |
22:49 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, close! but no cigar as they say :P |
22:49 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Sure, but if the lifespan is so poor... |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
a decade in outerspace is no kind of poor ! |
22:50 |
decimation |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WHG_GgKdI |
22:50 |
assbot |
Rocket Carrying GPS 2R Satellite Explodes - YouTube |
22:54 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: A decade would be an abysmal lifespan for a book |
22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
22:58 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 321076 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1483 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 42 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33634858035.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.75615 |
23:04 |
TheNewDeal |
I may be wrong, but, the other day I think the topic of french woment showing their tits as part of some feminist revolution was discussed in here? Anyway here's a video that should provide some lulz. Forewarning, it's 10 minutes long, and retarded http://www.upworthy.com/a-french-film-showing-men-what-being-a-woman-feels-like-kinda?c=reccon1 |
23:04 |
assbot |
A French Film Showing Men What Being A Woman Feels Like Kinda Nails It |
23:13 |
decimation |
lol usg is planning to spend $6.8bn bezzlars on one rocket (but it's fit for humans!) http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/boeing-spacex-win-nasa-commercial-crew-award-180952722/?no-ist |
23:13 |
assbot |
Boeing, SpaceX Win NASA Commercial Crew Award | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine |
23:15 |
decimation |
actually that's $6.8bn for the metal cage that holds the humans, the rocket is extra |
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23:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074943 = 7.3444 BTC [-] {2} |
23:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37896 @ 0.00074914 = 28.3894 BTC [-] |