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00:01 decimation asciilifeform: but appelbaum has made himself interesting very publicly - your corner bobby could care less about someone like him
00:02 BingoBoingo decimation: Appelbaum wasn't in the UK though, but in the proto-USA
00:06 BingoBoingo Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit"
00:06 asciilifeform corner bobby doesn't zip bags, no.
00:08 asciilifeform but a u.s. subject can die of lightning and car wreck a dozen times before getting 'accidentally policed' to death.
00:08 asciilifeform the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death...
00:08 asciilifeform at least, in head.
00:09 mircea_popescu doesn't work that way.
00:09 asciilifeform boulder falls on my head, i know what last thought i'll think!
00:09 mircea_popescu worrywarts aren't immune to negative events, nor hypochondriacs to disease, nor paranoids to accidents.
00:09 decimation many die every year in Colorado climbing mountains - from lightning
00:09 mircea_popescu they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses
00:10 decimation http://www.weather.com/news/lightning-strike-injuries-death-rocky-mountain-national-park-20140712
00:12 decimation looks like the promised geomagnetic storm was mostly a dud: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00075639 = 19.2879 BTC [-] {2}
00:23 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/09/12/patent-office-whistleblower-managers-have-no-idea-when-their-employees-are-working/ << what usg gets from its employees
00:23 assbot Patent office whistleblower: ‘Managers have no idea when their employees are working’ - The Washington Post
00:32 asciilifeform the patent office thing is a crock of shit.
00:32 asciilifeform they have production quotas.
00:33 asciilifeform (rather harsh ones, which is one reason for the famously poor quality of the judgements)
00:34 asciilifeform 'The examiner alerted a supervisor about the fraud, but “he says he cannot do anything as long as she meets her production,” the whistleblower wrote.' << how this is a problem ?
00:38 asciilifeform paranoids to accidents << not actually immune. just die happy.
00:41 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes your blog has been pwned? turned to spam for 'feedyes.com'.
00:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:48 decimation asciilifeform: "crock of shit" << are you saying that the 'whistleblowers' are lying?
00:49 asciilifeform 'lying' is too charitable a word.
00:49 asciilifeform implies (apologies to orwell) some actual relationship (if inverted) with fact.
00:50 decimation the 'blog' (is a blog post from wapo like a 'story lite'?) makes it seem like no one at the patent office has a relationship with reality
00:51 asciilifeform let's assume that each and every allegation in the piece - is true.
00:51 asciilifeform patent office specifically proclaims that employees are retained & promoted based on piecework (their term, 'production')
00:52 decimation right, but they could walk in, hit 'approve' on all thier 'production', and go home for the day?
00:53 asciilifeform could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge)
00:54 asciilifeform likewise, a junior (less than x years, forget what x) official cannot pronounce judgement, he only forwards a recommendation 'approve/deny' to senior gruppenfuhrer.
00:54 * asciilifeform knows more than he wants about the u.s. patent office
01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15672 @ 0.00075505 = 11.8331 BTC [-]
01:06 decimation asciilifeform: have you experimented with the intel 'rdrand' instruction?
01:07 asciilifeform decimation: nope.
01:07 asciilifeform what kind of experiment do you have in mind?
01:07 asciilifeform intel cpu is not exactly a rarity.
01:08 decimation no I'm going to play with it, just wondered what you had discovered
01:08 decimation I was planning on using it as a noise generator (uniform -> gaussian)
01:08 asciilifeform decimation: don't expect to discover anything useful from the output.
01:09 decimation as long as there are no pathological correlations it will be fine for my purposes (anything that looks strange on a very large fft for instance)
01:13 Vexual a bit of the `ol "in-out" huh?
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02:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075263 = 13.7355 BTC [-] {3}
02:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1470 @ 0.00054801 = 0.8056 BTC [-] {9}
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03:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1851 @ 0.00060001 = 1.1106 BTC [+] {4}
03:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3017 @ 0.00066021 = 1.9919 BTC [+] {2}
03:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.19817665 = 1.7836 BTC [+] {6}
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03:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20735549 = 0.8294 BTC [+] {3}
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04:49 RagnarDanneskjol http://online.wsj.com/articles/teraexchange-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-exchange-1410543989
04:49 assbot TeraExchange Unveils First U.S.-Regulated Bitcoin Swaps Exchange - WSJ
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05:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.20777999 = 14.5446 BTC [+] {4}
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05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401500 @ 0.00076056 = 305.3648 BTC [+] {35}
05:57 jurov ^^ wut?
06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.00076153 = 79.656 BTC [+] {4}
06:10 FabianB $vwap s.mpoe
06:11 empyex FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00076076 high: 0.00076422 low: 0.00075236 volume: 708190 btc: 538.76064545 7 day: average: 0.00072961 high: 0.00080211 low: 0.00059659 volume: 3849676 btc: 2808.78002898 30 day: average: 0.0007341 high: 0.00086605 low: 0.00059659 volume: 16651300 btc: 12223.78442068
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06:52 punkman https://underhandedcrypto.com/rules/
06:52 assbot Rules | Underhanded Crypto Contest
06:59 punkman !up mats_cd03
07:07 RagnarDanneskjol underhand contest - very cool
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07:27 punkman herp derp http://www.wifikettle.com/
07:27 assbot Smarter - wifikettle
07:28 RagnarDanneskjol oh gawd
07:28 punkman it has features and an app and even a customer support hotline
07:41 punkman http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/10/i-am-a-14-year-old-yazidi-girl-given-as-a-gift-to-an-isis-commander-heres-how-i-escaped/
07:41 assbot I am a 14-year-old Yazidi girl given as a gift to an ISIS commander. Heres how I escaped. - The Washington Post
07:44 punkman just broke a lock and walked out with a niqab
07:44 punkman http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/africa/2014/09/11/Tunisian-niqab-wearing-election-nominee-spurs-debate.html
07:49 punkman !up mats_cd03
07:49 mats_cd03 decimation: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf re: hooking rdrand to backdoor /dev/urandom on 3.12.8
07:50 punkman mats_cd03: did you lose your key again?
07:50 mats_cd03 PoC || GTFO is an incredible zine if you're not already reading it
07:50 mats_cd03 maybe
07:51 mats_cd03 !search pocorgtfo
07:51 assbot 1 results for 'pocorgtfo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pocorgtfo
07:51 punkman surprise!
07:52 mats_cd03 also discovered dis enhanced man page web thinger (im a nix scrub): explainshell.com
07:53 punkman I was looking at corkami's stuff the other day https://code.google.com/p/corkami/
07:53 assbot corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting
07:53 mats_cd03 ya corkami is the bees knees
07:58 mats_cd03 fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.
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07:58 punkman which one?
08:03 mats_cd03 thinkvantage system update
08:04 punkman oh I've never installed that
08:05 mats_cd03 and lenovo support center i think
08:05 mats_cd03 er solution center
08:11 mats_cd03 http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave
08:11 assbot Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain
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08:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128150 @ 0.00075374 = 96.5918 BTC [-] {7}
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09:10 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
09:10 gribble Current Blocks: 320493 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 50 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29793225340.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.6209
09:11 mircea_popescu heh it picked up huh
09:12 mircea_popescu $proxies
09:12 empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
09:13 mircea_popescu so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it.
09:14 empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (1490 milliseconds), mpex.co (790 milliseconds), mpex.biz (800 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10844 milliseconds)
09:15 mircea_popescu bitbet is also under ddos. kako is working on it.
09:19 empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: ✗ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: ✗
09:19 mircea_popescu FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ?
09:19 FabianB hm. guess i need to improve the fallback
09:21 mircea_popescu how much does ddos cost anymore anyway ? per gb per minute or something ?
09:23 mircea_popescu https://btc.waroflife.com/ http://minigame.bz/ etc still online also, so i guess maybe it's just coincidence.
09:23 assbot War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
09:24 mircea_popescu tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute.
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10:43 mircea_popescu aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute.
10:43 gribble if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc.
10:43 gribble also, someone voice nanotube :)
10:43 mircea_popescu !up nanotube
10:43 nanotube ah assbot just came back heh
10:43 mircea_popescu nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ?
10:43 nanotube what's this bitcoin assets deeds registrar?
10:44 mircea_popescu nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain
10:44 mircea_popescu and publish on a website as well.
10:44 mircea_popescu basically this can be used to issue signed ratings.
10:44 mircea_popescu so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's.
10:45 nanotube how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain?
10:45 mircea_popescu 64 bytes per hour at most.
10:45 nanotube ah so things get aggregated, cool
10:45 mircea_popescu yes.
10:46 mircea_popescu the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle
10:46 RagnarDanneskjol nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i think it Might be done this weekend
10:46 mircea_popescu anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most.
10:47 nanotube sounds interesting
10:47 mircea_popescu and yes im aware english doesn't like "on average at most" but it's actually correct logically. har har.
10:47 nanotube hehe
10:47 mircea_popescu anyway ping you for tests once this thing is delivered ?
10:47 nanotube sure!
10:48 mircea_popescu here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse.
10:48 mircea_popescu ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy.
10:49 RagnarDanneskjol http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw
10:49 assbot b-a deeds registrar - Pastebin.com
10:50 nanotube RagnarDanneskjol: yea i remember :)
10:51 RagnarDanneskjol k
10:51 asciilifeform nanotube - original author of this entire orchestra ?
10:52 mircea_popescu he implemented gribble and the wot
10:52 * asciilifeform takes off hat.
10:52 mircea_popescu which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with
10:53 nanotube RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?)
10:53 nanotube asciilifeform: :)
10:53 RagnarDanneskjol yup i suppose
10:53 mircea_popescu nanotube autofaucet.
10:53 mircea_popescu by design.
10:53 RagnarDanneskjol oh that too
10:54 RagnarDanneskjol its mp's spec, not mine. I dum
10:54 mircea_popescu oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have to pay.
10:55 mircea_popescu justusranvier favours the later approach :)
11:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto.
11:08 mircea_popescu i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!
11:08 mircea_popescu don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something.
11:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider :
11:10 mircea_popescu "woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...
11:10 mircea_popescu mores change.
11:17 nanotube mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out.
11:17 nanotube then, no expense
11:17 mircea_popescu let it be an expense.
11:18 mircea_popescu nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows things to be expenses and industry does not.
11:18 nanotube oh nature stinks plenty. ever been around a corpse? :)
11:18 mircea_popescu who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis
11:19 mircea_popescu jesus you're all too smart to argue with, what is this! counterexamples and shit :D
11:19 nanotube lol
11:20 mircea_popescu anyway, s/stink/stink(metaphorical)/ and i'm out.
11:20 nanotube nature does take care of its own stinks though. :)
11:21 mircea_popescu not deliberately :D
11:22 nanotube heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)
11:31 mircea_popescu !up couragewolf
11:32 * asciilifeform still favours his demented 'telegraph' algo.
11:33 mircea_popescu why ?
11:33 asciilifeform serverless
11:34 mircea_popescu listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ?
11:34 asciilifeform easy fix. don't publish the client.
11:34 asciilifeform only algo.
11:34 asciilifeform (the latter - already published...)
11:34 mircea_popescu not the point here tho.
11:34 asciilifeform who wants - writes own, a dozen lines of $lang, and connects.
11:35 mircea_popescu in those terms, your telegraph already exists.
11:35 asciilifeform sure does.
11:35 mircea_popescu well so then of course it can't be made.
11:35 mircea_popescu by this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004.
11:35 mircea_popescu so there's something wrong with this easy fix
11:35 * asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present.
11:36 mircea_popescu really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way.,
11:36 mircea_popescu now, getting back : serverless is not an advantage, it's a disadvantage.
11:36 mircea_popescu people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.
11:37 asciilifeform there is exactly one human necessary in the loop (as proposed)
11:37 asciilifeform the fellow with the privkey to throw back the coins to originators
11:37 asciilifeform anyone who 'comes with a sword' - doesn't get his back. that simple.
11:38 mircea_popescu mebbe
11:38 jurov "serverless" means "everyone has to be a server"
11:38 asciilifeform everyone who is running a node, yes.
11:39 asciilifeform (ordinary btc node)
11:42 mircea_popescu There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the woman’s ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : ‘Here! this is what we took out of you.’
11:43 asciilifeform lol!
11:43 mircea_popescu it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks.
11:44 mircea_popescu course he hated the banks cause he hated the jews, but hey.
11:45 jurov btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often
11:45 mircea_popescu it's supposed not to work
11:45 asciilifeform jurov: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' 'don't do that.'
11:46 asciilifeform think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins.
11:46 asciilifeform hand-cranking rsa, brass gears...
11:47 mircea_popescu what's this, de loyola's calvinism ?
11:49 jurov let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.19 = 7.03 BTC [-]
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share
12:15 asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/z44bhed.png << people asked about this, a few times, at various times. and herr corkami has good schoolbook picture of it.
12:17 mircea_popescu excellent pic yes
12:21 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2g862t/is_safellocom_legit_or_a_scam_deadterra_aka/
12:21 assbot Is Safello.com legit or a scam? DeadTerra, aka Ludvig berg : Bitcoin
12:21 ben_vulpes buenos dias cryptoleros
12:22 mircea_popescu ola
12:26 thestringpuller For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin.
12:26 thestringpuller E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time.
12:26 thestringpuller No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend.
12:31 asciilifeform if you like timelocks, just lose N bits of private key.
12:32 asciilifeform pick an N that sends you grinding, on what hardware you can obtain, for Y year.
12:32 asciilifeform solved...
12:39 mircea_popescu <thestringpuller> No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.
12:40 mircea_popescu if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist.
12:41 RagnarDanneskjol hah
12:43 jurov they want to be the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it"
12:46 mircea_popescu oh that
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13:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.185 = 0.555 BTC [-] {2}
13:12 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma_
13:15 RagnarDanneskjol i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest
13:16 chalbersma Indeed this is so.
13:16 mircea_popescu chalbersma didja mine a block on it ?
13:16 chalbersma Yep
13:16 chalbersma https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/00000000000003c05190392334fee4ba09a4f270aedcc9af1a8fe1aba97486c2
13:16 mircea_popescu cool.
13:16 mircea_popescu okay, what do you need ?
13:17 chalbersma Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :)
13:17 RagnarDanneskjol or IF
13:17 mircea_popescu no reason for it to be awkward.
13:18 RagnarDanneskjol i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY
13:19 chalbersma If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.
13:19 mircea_popescu lol let the guy get paid what.
13:20 mircea_popescu chalbersma ad to what ?
13:20 chalbersma Whatever anon ads plays.
13:20 mircea_popescu me looks at ben_vulpes
13:21 RagnarDanneskjol ha
13:21 mircea_popescu chalbersma what's this going to be running on ?
13:21 chalbersma I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.
13:21 mircea_popescu if your idea of private is cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com...
13:22 RagnarDanneskjol digi ocean
13:22 RagnarDanneskjol is what I got
13:22 chalbersma Ahh not so private :)
13:22 chalbersma Well cat's out of the bag.
13:22 chalbersma http://72.135.98.192:8559/static/
13:22 assbot P2Pool
13:22 mircea_popescu chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip
13:23 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol what's that cost ?
13:23 RagnarDanneskjol 1gb RAM is 10-15/month. I'll cover it
13:23 RagnarDanneskjol might get 3 GB
13:23 mircea_popescu you want an add too ? :))
13:24 RagnarDanneskjol no, I am fine thank
13:25 mircea_popescu chalbersma okay, you can have the .2, but i'd rather not ad the thing up, so.
13:26 chalbersma Okay what did you have in mind for ongoing maintenance costs?
13:27 chalbersma In theory we could take a "cross that bridge when we come to it." position.
13:28 RagnarDanneskjol I'll give you some free career coaching too, brush up your resume and whatnot
13:34 mircea_popescu chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway
13:35 chalbersma True ads don't exactly pay a lot of money.
13:35 mircea_popescu so, your address ?
13:36 chalbersma Let me generate one for this transaction.
13:38 chalbersma 1MZUhKVwnfGBjKm7gHSqv6WpNNBWfd8Rdy
13:40 chalbersma I'll start working with Ragnar to get it setup.
13:40 mircea_popescu ;;ident
13:40 gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
13:40 mircea_popescu ;;ident chalbersma
13:40 gribble Nick 'chalbersma', with hostmask 'chalbersma!~chalbersm@cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'chalbersma', with GPG key id 9573FF79F1219C3D, key fingerprint 85647E97624587E9B7028E8A9573FF79F1219C3D, and bitcoin address 1Ec2L4nN7yGmX69V3Hkw3qfZpaxrMZjZqT
13:40 mircea_popescu ;;rated chalbersma
13:40 gribble You rated user chalbersma on Wed Sep 10 23:17:00 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood..
13:40 mircea_popescu ;;rated chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.
13:40 gribble (rated <nick>) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to <nick>, if any.
13:41 mircea_popescu ;;rate chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.
13:41 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user chalbersma has changed from 1 to 2.
13:51 chalbersma ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 "Client for ATC p2pool Implementation"
13:51 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
13:52 mircea_popescu you don't need the quotes i dont think
13:52 chalbersma ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Client Contact and Recruiter for ATC P2pool Implementation
13:52 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2.
13:52 chalbersma Future refference.
13:52 chalbersma ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Client for ATC p2pool Implementation
13:52 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 2 to 2.
13:53 RagnarDanneskjol droplet is set and ready to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on this today?
13:54 chalbersma That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today.
13:54 chalbersma Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool?
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38812 @ 0.00005 = 1.9406 BTC [-] {2}
13:55 RagnarDanneskjol the one you set up i assume
13:56 chalbersma Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen.
13:56 RagnarDanneskjol well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine?
13:56 mircea_popescu chalbersma bingoboingo's.
13:57 mircea_popescu and i'll have x-rob point his miner to it once you're all set up too
13:59 chalbersma Okay I'll grab his address when we get to that stage.
14:00 chalbersma Pleasure doing buisness guys. I'll be on in a few hours.
14:01 mircea_popescu !up skinnkavaj
14:01 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/31/august-atc-results/
14:01 assbot August ATC Results | Bingo Blog
14:01 skinnkavaj The truth is out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=780481.msg8806758#msg8806758
14:01 assbot Read before investing in SuperNet ICO
14:01 RagnarDanneskjol i would check with him to be sure address is up to date
14:03 * BingoBoingo awakes to ...a pool?
14:04 RagnarDanneskjol maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?
14:04 RagnarDanneskjol atc address i mean
14:04 BingoBoingo It ought to be http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV
14:04 RagnarDanneskjol thanks
14:04 BingoBoingo ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 recruiter
14:04 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.
14:04 RagnarDanneskjol whatever
14:05 BingoBoingo ;;rate chalbersma 1 pool op
14:05 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded.
14:07 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/13/a-reversal-of-odds/
14:12 mircea_popescu skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway
14:12 skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene
14:13 mircea_popescu "Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer – There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "
14:13 mircea_popescu derp.
14:18 skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is
14:18 skinnkavaj good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.
14:18 BingoBoingo http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/stargazing/article2086784.html
14:18 assbot Sarah Palin and family reportedly involved in party brawl in Alaska | The Kansas City Star
14:19 mircea_popescu skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved.
14:19 mircea_popescu !up xean64
14:20 fluffypony wait what did I miss
14:20 fluffypony oh jesus don't these people have something better to do
14:21 mircea_popescu nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D
14:21 fluffypony here is fine
14:21 fluffypony bitcointalk is poison
14:21 mircea_popescu anyway, some altcoin drama, dunno.
14:21 fluffypony yup
14:21 mircea_popescu after eth got away with it, everyone's claiming 10k bitcoins
14:21 fluffypony "XXXXXXXcoin is a scam!"
14:21 mircea_popescu it's the new 2weeks
14:21 fluffypony "nowayz, dev is amazing and shits solid platinum"
14:21 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
14:22 fluffypony "I heard dev is actually Bin Laden reincarnated"
14:22 fluffypony "no wayz lets argue"
14:22 fluffypony summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section
14:22 mircea_popescu hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education
14:22 fluffypony hah hah
14:23 fluffypony then they become "developers" from kahn academy
14:23 fluffypony you know what I find that's REALLY interesting
14:23 fluffypony there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL
14:23 fluffypony they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life
14:24 fluffypony but they can code...a little
14:24 fluffypony so they become altcoin "developers"
14:24 mircea_popescu the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america.
14:24 fluffypony and push out a little code
14:24 fluffypony and the forum *worships* them
14:25 mircea_popescu looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all
14:26 fluffypony yeah true
14:26 fluffypony it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014
14:27 fluffypony where errrrrone has iPads
14:28 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/
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15:02 ben_vulpes i have better things to do
15:07 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
15:07 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.91, Best ask: 479.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 479.74, 24 hour volume: 5929.20561664, 24 hour low: 467.43, 24 hour high: 480.1, 24 hour vwap: 475.750347777
15:13 kakobrekla ;;isup bitbet.us
15:13 gribble bitbet.us is up
15:13 kakobrekla for now.
15:14 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ?
15:15 kakobrekla blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can
15:15 mircea_popescu cool.
15:15 kakobrekla dc basically said we dun care.
15:17 mircea_popescu !up ceger
15:17 ceger thx?
15:17 mircea_popescu yw.
15:17 mircea_popescu who are you and what brings you here ?
15:18 ceger good questions
15:18 ceger nobody and every other chan is dead lol
15:18 justusranvier Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)
15:19 mircea_popescu ceger works.
15:19 mircea_popescu justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy
15:19 justusranvier mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power
15:20 mircea_popescu ;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower
15:20 gribble In Memory of Frank Zappa - Dillsnap Cogitations - WordPress.com: <http://dillsnapcogitation.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/in-memory-of-frank-zappa-americas-free-speech-warrior/>; Gazprom Ready To Drop Dollar, Settle China Contracts In Yuan Or ...: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-26/gazprom-ready-drop-dollar-settle-china-contracts-yuan-or-rubles>; Steely Dan Lyrics: <http (1 more message)
15:20 chetty http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-in-global-warming/
15:20 assbot List of excuses for ‘The Pause’ in global warming | Watts Up With That?
15:21 mircea_popescu anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).
15:21 mircea_popescu and it only cost like twenny bux, too.
15:21 mircea_popescu chetty "the HockeySchtick" lol
15:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1570 @ 0.000598 = 0.9389 BTC [-]
15:23 chetty skyn?
15:24 mircea_popescu 51) If our models could time-travel back in time, “we could have forecast ‘the pause’ – if we had the tools of the future back then” [NCAR press release]
15:24 mircea_popescu ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"
15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4400 @ 0.00059895 = 2.6354 BTC [+] {2}
15:26 mircea_popescu dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?
15:33 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/cYNMGcy.jpg
15:33 mircea_popescu fap. not a word, a deed.
15:34 mircea_popescu also, that is NOT what a family is for fucks sake. what is this, PREFIX instead of POSTFIX alternative universe ?
15:36 kakobrekla your family name is mircea or popescu ?
15:37 mircea_popescu popescu
15:37 mircea_popescu nice to meet you mr brekla
15:37 kakobrekla :p
15:37 mircea_popescu !up maximian
15:39 mircea_popescu ow shit, only now i get it.
15:39 mircea_popescu omfg kakobrekla you are banned from jokes.
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15:41 mircea_popescu shit, bitbet is still online. what sort of scam ddos is this even
15:49 kakobrekla well its not over till its over.
15:49 mircea_popescu what is ever over.
15:50 mircea_popescu even the ipad... they're still making "new models"
15:50 kakobrekla lyfe!
15:51 chetty who has order their apple leash ..err watch?
15:51 mircea_popescu im saving my money for the apple cockring
15:51 kakobrekla thats 3 watches in bridge mode ?
15:52 mircea_popescu lol]
15:53 mircea_popescu http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--BwgnoQA8--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg
15:53 mircea_popescu o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D
15:54 kakobrekla lol
15:55 mircea_popescu ;;isdown bitbet.us
15:55 gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
15:55 mircea_popescu ;;isitdown bitbet.us
15:55 gribble bitbet.us is down
15:56 kakobrekla i see
15:56 kakobrekla ;;isitdown bitbet.us
15:56 gribble bitbet.us is up
15:57 Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.35161486 BTC. Current weight: 84,859.
15:57 * mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed
15:58 chetty what he ran out of hamsters?
15:58 kakobrekla lol
15:58 mircea_popescu steampunk server.
16:09 jurov hamsterpunk
16:11 fluffypony this is just begging to be turned into an altcoin
16:11 fluffypony SteampunkCoin
16:11 fluffypony Proof of Burn (Coal and/or Wood only please)
16:18 kakobrekla down for another minute.
16:22 mircea_popescu actually, socialmedia spamcoin could be an idea.
16:23 mircea_popescu mining constists of creating sm accounts.
16:23 mircea_popescu if nothing else, asic-resistant by design
16:24 kakobrekla and up again.
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16:50 fluffypony soooo
16:50 fluffypony has everyone changed their password?
16:58 mircea_popescu meh, too lazy.
17:01 jurov /msg NickServ help
17:01 jurov -NickServ- No help available for .
17:01 * jurov rolls eyes
17:02 chetty http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29136747?ocid=socialflow_twitter
17:02 assbot BBC News - How do you stop the flow of lava?
17:04 mircea_popescu lol are they crowdsourcing the answer ?
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17:27 mircea_popescu !up ContingencyPlan
17:28 ContingencyPlan thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT?
17:28 kakobrekla http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
17:28 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
17:28 ContingencyPlan thanks
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17:50 mircea_popescu $proxies
17:51 mircea_popescu well anyway.
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18:24 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
18:24 gribble Current Blocks: 320563 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45293795105.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 51.8411
18:25 mircea_popescu 51% baby :D
18:28 kakobrekla dis a joke ?
18:29 mircea_popescu early estimate always nutty.
18:32 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png always good for a omgwtf.
18:32 mircea_popescu apparently bitcoin mining starts 12 months ago. who knew.
18:34 mircea_popescu ;;calc 3.1 / 2.9829733124040417
18:34 gribble 1.03923155702
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19:00 jurov https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203872284782896&fref=nf
19:00 mircea_popescu for my curiosity, anyone know rochester ?
19:01 mircea_popescu jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there.
19:02 * asciilifeform can hardly think of a less suitable wetware application than btc mining
19:05 kakobrekla i suspekt wetware is going to stay emulated for a long long time
19:05 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-liquidation.htm << mega-lol!
19:05 asciilifeform '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...'
19:09 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time
19:09 mircea_popescu by 1900 they had sewing machines.
19:10 asciilifeform eh, tech was actually happening then.
19:10 chetty http://mashable.com/2014/09/11/iceland-bardabunga-volcano-eruption-photos/
19:10 assbot 11 Photos of Iceland's Bardarbunga Volcano Erupting That Are Just Unreal
19:10 jurov who knows, C compiler for wetware may be months away
19:10 jurov to ascii's delight
19:11 asciilifeform jurov: first, multiply, e.g, 5 x 7 with 'wetware' and get a reliable answer.
19:12 jurov the google book i linked has bool logic gates
19:12 asciilifeform jurov: ever culture an organism ?
19:13 jurov yes?
19:13 asciilifeform how long did the colony live ?
19:14 kakobrekla ever heard of head jars dude
19:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus.
19:15 jurov they aren't using whole cells
19:15 mircea_popescu it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach
19:15 mircea_popescu suppose i don't multiply 5 x 7, but i do a fft over a large domain.
19:15 asciilifeform kakobrekla: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4MTAyNTk1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTA4Njc3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg << these ?
19:15 mircea_popescu "close enough"
19:15 kakobrekla asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing.
19:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed.
19:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ?
19:17 kakobrekla reasonable speed for '100000point travelling salesman' problem ?
19:17 mircea_popescu it's immense.
19:17 mircea_popescu just folding proteins is a massive task.
19:17 asciilifeform you'd probably want to make use of, e.g, luciferase
19:17 asciilifeform and camera.
19:17 mircea_popescu you're just an opticomputer fanboy arentcha :D
19:18 asciilifeform so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure)
19:18 asciilifeform one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution
19:18 mircea_popescu ^
19:18 asciilifeform two - xray crystallography
19:18 asciilifeform to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar.
19:19 asciilifeform (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever)
19:19 asciilifeform now, think about why (2) costs roughly same as (1).
19:20 * mircea_popescu listens
19:20 asciilifeform why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly.
19:20 asciilifeform now, getting the answer out in a usable form...
19:20 asciilifeform takes about a year of skilled labour.
19:20 mircea_popescu "instantly". not quite
19:21 mircea_popescu but yes.
19:21 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=25 << me derping about roughly this, in '08.
19:21 assbot Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform?
19:22 mircea_popescu the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature,
19:22 mircea_popescu and a list of what molecules it contains
19:22 mircea_popescu your task being to fold the shit together.
19:23 mircea_popescu this, in an ideal way, suppose you have Ontologizer, which makes be whatever molecular structure you describe.
19:33 jurov that description would be *very* hefty
19:34 mircea_popescu quite.
19:34 mircea_popescu the archetypal "rather than explain your job to you i'd rather just do it"
19:40 jurov question here was the other way, can wetware do turing stuff effectively?
19:41 asciilifeform jurov: turing's apparatus is not even a particularly good abstraction for electric computer. much less 'wet' kind.
19:42 kakobrekla thats why they go the ibm synapse cpu way
19:42 kakobrekla i mean the read off
19:43 kakobrekla which is emulation basically
19:45 jurov "nah it cnat reliably multiply 5*7"
19:46 * asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship.
19:46 mircea_popescu jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine"
19:47 mircea_popescu and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines.
19:47 mircea_popescu error is never going to stop anything.
19:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits
19:48 mircea_popescu still.
19:48 asciilifeform and actually represent, e.g, 1/3 as a 1, a /, and a 3; sqrt(2) as a root and a two of it, etc
19:48 mircea_popescu i don't need everyone to be an idiot, i just need a few to make my case.
19:48 asciilifeform lol
19:49 mircea_popescu :)
19:49 * asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant
19:49 mircea_popescu me too o.O
19:50 jurov me too
19:52 mircea_popescu /r/matrixglitch
19:54 jurov !up DoctorLTC
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20:49 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/
21:00 mircea_popescu "i feel like a fart" "offensive ?" "inspired."
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21:23 thestringpuller ls
21:24 thestringpuller ;;google bitstamp withdrawals suspended
21:24 gribble Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp: <https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/>; Bitcoin Exchange Bitstamp Halts Customer Withdrawals - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-11/bitcoin-exchange-bitstamp-halts-withdrawals.html>; Bitstamp, another Bitcoin exchange, goes down and halts withdrawals: (1 more message)
21:24 thestringpuller ;;more
21:24 gribble <http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/11/technology/bitcoin-bitstamp/>
21:25 mircea_popescu lol
21:25 mircea_popescu ah autumn
21:38 mircea_popescu thestringpuller wait is this new ? or just the feb thing ?
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22:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 720 @ 0.00167939 = 1.2092 BTC [-] {4}
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23:06 TomServo 0,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg
23:07 TomServo whups
23:09 Vexual msg nickerv setpassword dog
23:09 Vexual whups
23:13 Vexual mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast
23:13 Vexual think peter fonda deciding to get loaded
23:21 decimation asciilifeform: re: analogue computing << this is essentially what rf circuitry is doing. the general fad these days is to move all of this computation to the conventional binary machinery
23:23 Vexual wait, was i supposed to think that? oshit
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23:41 mircea_popescu Vexual maybe.,
23:43 chalbersma Mircea. I have the p2pool server ready for testing.
23:43 mircea_popescu X-Rob you there ?
23:43 chalbersma I do however need a link to use for the contact tab. Right now it redirects to me blog.
23:44 chalbersma I can redirect to ATC homepage.
23:46 mircea_popescu actually redirect it to here is prolly best
23:46 mircea_popescu what are pool details again ?
23:47 mircea_popescu o wait, gotta make an account or something first right ?
23:47 Vexual yeah dumb it down, i never p2pd
23:47 chalbersma It's p2pool
23:47 chalbersma So use 104.131.60.126:8559 for the server
23:47 chalbersma Your ATC address for the Username
23:48 chalbersma and anything you'd like for the password
23:48 chalbersma The web interface is available for viewing at http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
23:48 assbot P2Pool
23:48 mircea_popescu ;;later tell X-Rob 104.131.60.126:8559 use bingo's address as before.
23:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:49 Vexual do you recommend or unrecommend any hardware?
23:50 chalbersma https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool#Interoperability_table The code is 90% the same. But most things should work all right.
23:50 assbot P2Pool - Bitcoin
23:53 chalbersma I haven't had any problems with P2pool yet.
23:54 Vexual chalbersma: it arrives in the wallet freshly minted yes?
23:55 chalbersma Yep when the block is solved it's split evenly among the shares.
23:56 chalbersma Here's an example of what the blocks look like when solved. https://blockchain.info/block-index/463628/0000000000000000149ef417868a4d9d3ed40bedbf9383ceb708ceb28fbfdd8c
23:56 assbot Bitcoin Block #320583
23:57 Vexual you should add atc donations
23:59 Vexual oh thats not yors?
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