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00:00 mircea_popescu but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up
00:05 decimation ;;ud feminine
00:05 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ...
00:07 mircea_popescu hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above.
00:07 mircea_popescu which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ?
00:07 mircea_popescu ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for.
00:12 decimation I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome?
00:14 mircea_popescu i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street.
00:15 mircea_popescu this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were.
00:15 mircea_popescu doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ?
00:16 mircea_popescu (he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too)
00:18 BingoBoingo Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat
00:20 mircea_popescu lol
00:20 mircea_popescu for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees.
00:21 decimation Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'
00:21 assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation
00:21 mircea_popescu i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame.
00:21 mircea_popescu decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it
00:21 BingoBoingo Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him
00:21 mircea_popescu (such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.)
00:22 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught.
00:22 decimation the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole
00:22 nubbins` nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2
00:23 nubbins` or "plant air"
00:23 mircea_popescu nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in.
00:23 mircea_popescu and a bunch is like 1k people by now.
00:25 BingoBoingo nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks?
00:25 nubbins` ah, care to direct me a bit more than that?
00:25 mircea_popescu no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe!
00:26 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper.
00:26 BingoBoingo Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art
00:27 decimation heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash
00:27 assbot Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | delawareonline.com
00:27 nubbins` india ink is pretty solid, as long as it's marked as archival quality
00:28 nubbins` pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs
00:28 BingoBoingo Interesting
00:28 decimation nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper?
00:30 nubbins` decimation, natch
00:31 nubbins` BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand
00:31 * BingoBoingo honestly doesn't care much about acidity of paper, good stuff gets permethrin, capscaisin, and nystatin anyway
00:32 * asciilifeform recalls thread on hanbot's site re: smelling of books & shudders
00:33 decimation asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered
00:33 BingoBoingo lol
00:33 decimation usually a bad one if they had pets
00:33 asciilifeform ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense
00:33 asciilifeform as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell.
00:33 mircea_popescu supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem.
00:33 mircea_popescu the variety of scent.
00:34 asciilifeform decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of
00:34 decimation no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits
00:35 asciilifeform this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house.
00:35 mircea_popescu pets do have a print, for sure.
00:35 * asciilifeform gives up on trying to describe it because it was not attributable to any familiar object like shit, piss, food, carbol, etc.
00:36 mircea_popescu never give up.
00:36 asciilifeform handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand.
00:36 asciilifeform one day.
00:37 decimation hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal
00:37 asciilifeform lol
00:39 asciilifeform re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place.
00:40 asciilifeform these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like.
00:41 asciilifeform city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc.
00:41 decimation which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice
00:42 decimation but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air
00:45 asciilifeform the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty?
00:45 asciilifeform one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time.
00:46 decimation yeah that's a good point
00:46 asciilifeform this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't
00:46 decimation it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane'
00:47 decimation and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part
00:48 asciilifeform don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory.
00:49 decimation hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."
00:49 asciilifeform people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years
00:49 asciilifeform american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year.
00:50 mircea_popescu <decimation> and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite.
00:50 decimation asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England
00:50 mircea_popescu if i were president i'd just walk there.
00:50 decimation as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours
00:51 decimation Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains)
00:51 mircea_popescu said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards.
00:52 asciilifeform u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
00:52 asciilifeform (and, presumably, properly 'aryan')
00:52 mircea_popescu heh.
00:53 mircea_popescu meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse.
00:53 decimation supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them'
00:54 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
00:54 mircea_popescu these can't both be the case.
00:54 asciilifeform sure it can.
00:54 mircea_popescu tell ?
00:54 decimation the mtbf numbers are all theoretical
00:54 asciilifeform they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride.
00:55 mircea_popescu decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it.
00:55 mircea_popescu oh.
00:55 mircea_popescu that far huh ?
00:55 asciilifeform if i recall, it was eventually flown (!) back for repairs.
00:55 decimation http://www.sre.org/pubs/Mil-Hdbk-338B.pdf
00:56 mircea_popescu decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ?
00:56 asciilifeform other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road.
00:56 asciilifeform (broke axle, if i remember)
00:56 asciilifeform and this, with 'world's best armour' etc.
00:56 decimation I only know of Cato the Elder
00:56 decimation oh, same guy
00:57 mircea_popescu he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly.
00:57 mircea_popescu the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it,
00:57 mircea_popescu and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names!
00:58 mircea_popescu all of it - quite feminine :)
00:58 asciilifeform lol
00:58 decimation the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something?
00:58 decimation s/brother/ brothel/
00:59 mircea_popescu well they had these bed-parties
00:59 mircea_popescu (they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there)
01:02 BingoBoingo !up ThickAsThieves
01:03 decimation When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html
01:03 assbot Royal Navy turn guns pointing at Michelle Obama's hotel room around | Mail Online
01:04 asciilifeform decimation: lol, what a 'cruiser aurora' that would've been.
01:05 decimation asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13507338
01:05 assbot BBC News - Obama's Beast 'did not get stuck' on Dublin ramp
01:07 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/let-me-tell-you-a-few-words-about-this-usability-business/
01:09 decimation those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world
01:22 BingoBoingo Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate
01:23 mircea_popescu how so ?
01:25 mircea_popescu http://bitcoinfoundation.com/
01:25 assbot Domain Suspension
01:26 decimation I read it as a parable about GPG usability
01:27 mircea_popescu but anyway, here's a rfc. in re this bet : http://bitbet.us/bet/854/ it calls for pierce to be a director. currently as per https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/overview/ he seems to have been silently downgraded to member.
01:27 assbot BitBet - Brock Pierce to resign at BTC Foundation :: 0.3 B (3%) on Yes, 10.08 B (97%) on No | closed 1 week 5 hours ago
01:27 assbot Overview | The Bitcoin Foundation
01:27 BingoBoingo Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers
01:27 mircea_popescu im going to have that as a yes, sometime tomorrow. if anyone wants to make an argument... you got about a day.
01:27 cazalla wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet
01:28 cazalla sounds fair tbh, they must've done it on the sly not to bring attention to him
01:28 BingoBoingo Oh Brock silently coup'd
01:28 mircea_popescu it'
01:28 mircea_popescu s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance
01:28 mircea_popescu that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet.
01:29 decimation or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure'
01:30 BingoBoingo It really seems that their entire structure changed to confound the bet
01:30 cazalla did he resign or do it willingly though
01:31 gernika I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies.
01:31 BingoBoingo Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific
01:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo interesting poin tre appleos stuff. i never followed it any so i had no clue.
01:32 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is what happens when your first computer is an actual mac in 2000-2001
01:32 mircea_popescu gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ?
01:33 cazalla maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino
01:33 mircea_popescu (and by any measures it WAS a great nation. greater than say, that-time italy)
01:33 BingoBoingo Still it looks like Brock could lose this bet on webdesign points
01:33 mircea_popescu cazalla yeah. right. so many punks grow up to be shadowlords.
01:33 gernika mircea_popescu dead. I mean subsaharan africans though.
01:33 mircea_popescu gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes.
01:34 mircea_popescu imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ?
01:34 BingoBoingo The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent
01:34 mircea_popescu there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look /
01:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wtf is one to do ?
01:35 cazalla well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role
01:35 mircea_popescu what role was it ?
01:35 mircea_popescu "director of board membership" or something ?
01:35 cazalla if board member, bad bet?
01:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus.
01:36 mircea_popescu it can't really be a bad bet retroactively.
01:36 mircea_popescu maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol.
01:36 BingoBoingo I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred.
01:38 cazalla way back when shows those vacant seats as board members not directors
01:39 mircea_popescu cazalla i find it distinctly riodiculous that nobody pointed this out prior.
01:39 mircea_popescu for all the retarded nitpicks that make their way into bitbet comments...
01:39 BingoBoingo I mean I am no where near as confident on this argument as when I Bitbet lawyered my way to a righteous win on S.DICE vs. S.BBET however this seems to instead harken back to luke-jr's BFL miner.
01:41 mircea_popescu ;;google brock pierce director
01:41 gribble Brock Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Pierce>; Brock Pierce | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/brockpierce>; Brock Pierce - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0682302/>
01:41 mircea_popescu heh.
01:41 mircea_popescu ;;google "brock pierce" "bitcoin foundation" director
01:41 gribble Brock Pierce to Bitcoin Foundation: I Will Not Step Down - CoinDesk: <http://www.coindesk.com/brock-pierce-bitcoin-foundation-will-not-step-down/>; Bobby Lee, Brock Pierce Join Bitcoin Foundation's Board of Directors: <http://www.coindesk.com/bobby-lee-brock-pierce-join-bitcoin-foundations-board-directors/>; Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director | Reuters: (1 more message)
01:41 mircea_popescu ;;more
01:41 gribble <http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/16/us-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-idUSBREA4F02B20140516>
01:42 cazalla why is bobby lee not still a director then
01:43 mircea_popescu cazalla i am actually seeing a lot of merit in your position.
01:43 mircea_popescu upon further consideration.
01:43 BingoBoingo The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation.
01:46 cazalla unless bobby lee joined him for a pool party
01:47 BingoBoingo Maybe get some pedo wiki lawyers on this case?
01:47 mircea_popescu "The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. "
01:47 mircea_popescu dude gtfo.
01:48 mircea_popescu im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument.
01:48 BingoBoingo I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened.
01:48 decimation yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade
01:49 mircea_popescu decimation senator says that's not the case :)
01:49 BingoBoingo The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director
01:50 BingoBoingo I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!!
01:54 BingoBoingo It may be the way of the future that tards start combating BitBet by changing labels.
01:55 mircea_popescu well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board.
01:55 mircea_popescu nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh.
01:56 BingoBoingo That.
01:56 decimation I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management
01:56 decimation I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions
01:57 BingoBoingo decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist
01:57 mircea_popescu someone just fucking crashed outside.
01:57 mircea_popescu the street is one of the widest IN THE WORLD
01:57 mircea_popescu and it's fucking empty.
01:57 decimation drunk?
01:57 mircea_popescu must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us.
01:57 BingoBoingo decimation: Drunk is not an explanation for a crash in itself
01:58 gernika mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes.
01:58 Bet created: "NMC >= .005 BTC in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1039/
01:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: What are some more Argentine businesses plagued by Friends syndrome?
01:58 decimation gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own
01:59 Bet created: "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/
01:59 mircea_popescu gernika im not so sure that colonialism -> tech transfer thing is worth anything.
01:59 mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com extraction economy
01:59 gribble Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mdxxix>; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mccxxxix>; Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very- (1 more message)
02:00 mircea_popescu hm. fu google.
02:00 mircea_popescu a here we go http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
02:00 assbot Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
02:00 mircea_popescu link to a decent book on the topic in there.
02:01 mircea_popescu (mostly english quotes in article so it's parseable)
02:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's friends syndrome ?
02:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You know, lazing about like sitcom New Yorkers.
02:02 BingoBoingo !s NMC
02:02 assbot 64 results for 'NMC' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=NMC
02:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well let's see. argentine beef is world famous. they managed to lose most of their exporting contracts on the purely economic grounds of not managing to meet their minimal quotas.
02:03 mircea_popescu so now the principal export of the country is... soy.
02:03 mircea_popescu that work for you ?
02:03 mircea_popescu (beef here is still the best in the world, no arguments possible - and yes i've lived in texas etc)
02:09 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p03/p/12.jpg << so this average stripper chose for herself the pr0n name "abigal mac"
02:09 mircea_popescu what in the actual fuck, that's possibly the worst pr0n name i ever heard.
02:10 BingoBoingo Soy is the second worst fate. At least you aren't stuck on dent corn.
02:12 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,968.
02:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00083971 = 11.588 BTC [-]
02:23 BingoBoingo X-Rob: Do you have a favorite "dead" CPU architecture?
02:34 * BingoBoingo finds ancient archs loved an interestingly revealing personality indicator
02:35 Bet placed: 2.99998 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.09998 BTC. Current weight: 99,910.
02:37 X-Rob BingoBoingo: Z80 would be my favourite, as that's what I grew up with. I actually collect vintage computers.
02:37 BingoBoingo X-Rob: Cool, Imma 68k fan
02:37 X-Rob I have a pile of TRS-80's, prior to the colour computer.
02:38 BingoBoingo X-Rob: I had an interupted workflow not that long ago over a Mac SE/30 failure.
02:39 X-Rob BingoBoingo: It's amusing that the single 'LDIR' Z80 opcode took until SSE2 to be duplicated. 1 clock cycle to move any 8 bit chunk of memory around.
02:39 X-Rob probably not that impressive now. But it was then!
02:39 BingoBoingo What amazes me is how many of these gems live in so many places
02:52 BingoBoingo !up DreadKnight
02:52 BingoBoingo !up darlidada
02:53 BingoBoingo !up AndrewJackson
02:53 BingoBoingo !up beetcoin
02:53 BingoBoingo !up jdanks
02:53 BingoBoingo jdanks: Are you THE dank?
02:56 RagnarDanneskjol no - he is just jdanks - btc enthusiuast from socal. good guy
02:56 BingoBoingo Ah, cool.
02:57 BingoBoingo Bless his parents.
02:57 RagnarDanneskjol HAH
03:00 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, don't you know about Dank nearly killing is parents?
03:00 RagnarDanneskjol oh, no, I misunderstood
03:01 RagnarDanneskjol this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=643971.0;wap
03:01 BingoBoingo It's on the forum. Dank's the sort of crazy us respectable crazy's abhor.
03:01 RagnarDanneskjol right. got it
03:02 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: That's dank lite.
03:02 RagnarDanneskjol hmm
03:03 BingoBoingo Dank gets much worse
03:04 RagnarDanneskjol i think I recall some of the hysteria. will investigate into further
03:04 punkman morgen
03:05 BingoBoingo morgen punkman
03:06 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: If you don't have apsychiatric interest it isn't the most fruitful time expendature
03:11 RagnarDanneskjol I'v always enjoyed exploring madness - my mom is a shrink. also helps with honing my profiler/screening skills
03:11 punkman seems like I need to get myself on an exchange, can't buy shit on -otc
03:12 punkman but which one to choose...
03:12 RagnarDanneskjol i have some local buyers/sellers I can introduce you to punk - they are the best i have found in the business
03:13 BingoBoingo I've never had trouble finding buyers and sellers on -otc before, but nao that FBI/Treasury has visited who knows
03:13 BingoBoingo !up eizodo--
03:13 BingoBoingo Hello eizodo--
03:13 eizodo-- hello
03:14 RagnarDanneskjol otherwise would try anx, kraken, localbtc
03:14 BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts eizodo
03:15 punkman BingoBoingo, I'm guessing it's because I don't have bigger number
03:15 BingoBoingo punkman: My number is small
03:17 BingoBoingo eizodo: You realize all of these nick changes are totally visible, yes?
03:19 * BingoBoingo wonders how long eizodo can try to carry on a conversation in nick changes before angering assbot
03:23 * BingoBoingo wonders why moar people don't work hard
03:23 BingoBoingo In my feel
03:23 BingoBoingo Bring the cotton out to be sole
03:33 punkman ;;seen davout
03:33 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting
03:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00084435 = 30.1433 BTC [+] {2}
03:38 punkman ;;gettrust BingoBoingo
03:38 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user punkman to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
03:45 mircea_popescu !up eizodo
03:46 punkman mircea_popescu: so who runs bitfinex now?
03:46 mircea_popescu it's about as clear as mud.
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04:26 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Let's take this debate in chan
04:27 BingoBoingo I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term
04:27 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: What is your first language?
04:27 RagnarDanneskjol cpp
04:27 RagnarDanneskjol English
04:28 BingoBoingo So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far?
04:29 RagnarDanneskjol i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad
04:29 RagnarDanneskjol please rephrase the question
04:30 BingoBoingo lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on?
04:31 RagnarDanneskjol none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation
04:32 RagnarDanneskjol anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over
04:32 BingoBoingo Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director.
04:33 RagnarDanneskjol Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor
04:33 BingoBoingo The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD
04:33 BingoBoingo Right, resigns can be determining. So can director as well.
04:34 BingoBoingo Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck.
04:34 RagnarDanneskjol haha
04:35 BingoBoingo Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members.
04:35 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Do you have a way to contact Brock for his input?
04:36 RagnarDanneskjol right, it was a shrewd and tactful deciscion
04:36 RagnarDanneskjol yes, I can visit the office anyday
04:36 RagnarDanneskjol but he gives me the creeps
04:36 punkman I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc
04:36 BingoBoingo But it doesn't appear to be shrewd
04:36 BingoBoingo punkman: So did I. Still I want to contact him if I can.
04:37 punkman BingoBoingo: it seems nobody put any real money down on yes, guessing clusterfuck was expected
04:38 BingoBoingo punkman: I put about 0.1 on yes expecting a clusterfuck I could lose.
04:38 punkman well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't
04:39 BingoBoingo One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes
04:39 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
04:40 cazalla the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors
04:41 cazalla having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock
04:41 BingoBoingo cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship?
04:41 BingoBoingo Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool.
04:41 cazalla rock spider
04:42 BingoBoingo And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep.
04:42 BingoBoingo The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no.
04:44 cazalla wonder if it is brock
04:44 BingoBoingo I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way.
04:44 BingoBoingo Kinda why I want brock in this chan yesterday.
04:45 RagnarDanneskjol so he can confirm or deny resignation?
04:46 RagnarDanneskjol I doubt he would confirm either way
04:46 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: So he can confirm or evade like a slimy chomo piece of shit.
04:46 RagnarDanneskjol lol
04:46 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/brockpierce
04:46 assbot Brock Pierce (brockpierce) auf Twitter
04:46 punkman http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/16/us-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-idUSBREA4F02B20140516
04:46 assbot Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director| Reuters
04:46 punkman they sure called him director a lot back then
04:47 BingoBoingo punkman: But that was back then.
04:47 punkman was there another "Executive Director" before matonis
04:47 BingoBoingo The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter
04:48 cazalla he's still director according to this image https://twitter.com/TechweekLA/status/505792088303091712/photo/1
04:48 assbot New at /hashtag/TechweekLA?src=hash! Co-CEO of /JustFabOnline /brockpierce (/BTCFoundation) /sonnyvu (/Misfit) http://t.co/mbQSDebMrC http://t.co/ozNQbquP4y
04:49 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter << quite.
04:49 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507087891856900096
04:49 assbot /brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A?
04:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ?
04:50 mircea_popescu take an oath ?
04:50 cazalla perhaps it's brock that tells the journos that he's the director
04:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent
04:50 BingoBoingo I mean what can Obama do?
04:51 mircea_popescu im just saying, generally to find an individuals position with an organisation, you need anyone but him
04:51 punkman maybe ask Matonis then?
04:51 mircea_popescu which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there.
04:52 mircea_popescu punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ?
04:52 punkman no idea
04:53 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it.
04:56 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-human-stain/
04:59 punkman what if Brock never were a director, wouldn't that make for a badbet?
04:59 punkman to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point
05:00 punkman in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director
05:00 BingoBoingo If he were never a director that would, I think resolve as a "no"
05:01 cazalla that's what i said earlier punkman
05:01 BingoBoingo As you have to be a diretor to resign from directorship.
05:01 punkman and it doesn't seem that board members hold any directorial duties
05:01 BingoBoingo This revision from director board to memberboard makes everything so messy though.
05:02 BingoBoingo It is a serious fucking Hearnia
05:02 BingoBoingo Iodine Wipes!
05:02 BingoBoingo Scalpel!
05:02 cazalla way back when also lists karpeles as board member not director
05:03 punkman https://github.com/pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/blob/master/Bylaws/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md
05:03 assbot The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub
05:03 BingoBoingo Not that blunt piece of shit cazalla, get me a fucking sharp #10!
05:03 cazalla but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors"
05:04 cazalla http://web.archive.org/web/20140224183648/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=462
05:04 assbot Bitcoin Foundation: Blog
05:04 punkman they call it a board of directors in their bylaws, which are supposed to be current
05:05 BingoBoingo diana_coman Halp, what is Ingles?
05:05 punkman fukken words
05:05 punkman how do they even work
05:05 BingoBoingo punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man.
05:06 cazalla that release constrasted with this http://web.archive.org/web/20140214150712/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board
05:06 assbot Bitcoin Foundation: About: Board Members
05:06 RagnarDanneskjol "statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false."
05:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00084455 = 21.9583 BTC [+] {2}
05:11 punkman two days after Brock joined: https://web.archive.org/web/20140511082137/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board/
05:11 assbot Bitcoin Foundation
05:11 punkman so he's always been board member on the website
05:13 BingoBoingo Is this a board of members or a board of directors?
05:13 BingoBoingo Does anyone have some lithium citrate?
05:14 RagnarDanneskjol board members
05:16 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options.
05:16 BingoBoingo A board is nothing but what it can be composed of
05:17 BingoBoingo Is this a director fiber or a member fiber?
05:19 RagnarDanneskjol well, many boards have consultants, litigators, etc who participate as non-members
05:19 BingoBoingo And on many they participate as members, but not directors
05:20 RagnarDanneskjol right
05:20 BingoBoingo The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning
05:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 4200 @ 0.00050276 = 2.1116 BTC [-] {15}
05:21 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/
05:21 BingoBoingo The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something
05:22 RagnarDanneskjol seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless"
05:22 mircea_popescu except nothing apparently changed.
05:23 BingoBoingo Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime.
05:23 RagnarDanneskjol true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does
05:24 punkman BingoBoingo: the clarity wasn't there to begin with
05:26 RagnarDanneskjol better yet "We do review comments made for cases where bets should indeed be cancelled..."
05:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19329999 = 0.5799 BTC [+] {2}
05:26 BingoBoingo punkman: Sure it was, but when a frog gets ready to spawn...
05:27 BingoBoingo I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing.
05:28 BingoBoingo What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them!
05:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+]
05:29 punkman coming from a place where director actually means something, I'd be more inclined to go with Yes
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05:29 BingoBoingo !b 1
05:29 BingoBoingo Interesting
05:30 BingoBoingo I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins.
05:31 mircea_popescu i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet
05:31 mircea_popescu i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit.
05:31 cazalla if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come
05:31 BingoBoingo Right
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05:31 BingoBoingo !b 4
05:32 RagnarDanneskjol for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source.
05:32 BingoBoingo I dunno that I want to win this one.
05:32 BingoBoingo And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao
05:33 RagnarDanneskjol I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo
05:35 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though.
05:36 BingoBoingo If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger!
05:38 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine!
05:38 BingoBoingo And there's more
05:39 BingoBoingo x86 computers? not fine!
05:40 RagnarDanneskjol Bingo, you may not feel fine, but you will BE fine
05:41 RagnarDanneskjol perhaps more weed, less lithium+booze.
05:42 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: You may be using different definitions of "be" and "feel" in this context than I would. I mean I've enjoyed my least time in a locked ward.
05:42 BingoBoingo And I know of no US programs that do lithium+booze.
05:43 BingoBoingo Not that I like Lithium. It takes all of 3 days to make my flanks hurt like a whipped bitch.
05:44 RagnarDanneskjol ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy
05:44 BingoBoingo Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox.
05:45 RagnarDanneskjol sounds like a party
05:45 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react.
05:46 BingoBoingo I'm curious how Magnus Carlsen reacts to Ferguson niggers.
05:46 BingoBoingo I bet it is better than how he reats to Ferguson police though.
05:47 assbot jdanks +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
05:47 BingoBoingo !up jdanks
05:47 BingoBoingo Hello jdanks
05:47 jdanks mornin' gents
05:47 BingoBoingo Morning
05:47 jdanks so I am now in the WoT (: I love the channel and blogs from y'all
05:48 BingoBoingo jdank who +1'd you?
05:48 BingoBoingo ;;gettrust jdanks
05:48 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jdanks!~john@108-93-178-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user jdanks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=jdanks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jdanks | Rated since: never
05:48 jdanks already?
05:49 RagnarDanneskjol he just set it up now
05:49 jdanks nobody it appears like. I just joined this madness
05:49 BingoBoingo jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though.
05:50 jdanks I am to not be trusted. Rolled in here on my tumbleweed. We do have a surprising amount of those in LA
05:50 BingoBoingo Probing hurts more later
05:50 jdanks No but really I engineer, I'm an open book. Sell eggs for BTC. Garden and what not
05:51 BingoBoingo jdanks: What are you growing? My chile looks splendid this year, but it probably is within 48 hours of being a health hazard/
05:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.20882352 = 3.55 BTC [+] {2}
05:53 jdanks My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple.
05:54 RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate jdanks 2 is good people, quality eggs, also confirmed to be a living human being
05:54 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jdanks has been recorded.
05:54 cazalla jdanks, what sorta chickens?
05:54 jdanks I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar!
05:55 BingoBoingo <jdanks> I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that
05:55 jdanks cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant
05:56 jdanks BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up.
05:56 cazalla barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right?
05:56 jdanks Yes and Amrocks too I think.
05:57 cazalla i had 3 sussex bantams and 3 plymouth bantams
05:57 jdanks Bred for show vs. Egg laying in it's own breed/strain
05:58 cazalla with spring here, i'm going to build a proper coop and run for some more once some pullets are available locally
05:58 BingoBoingo jdanks: At this point I'm just fucking with you because I can't keep Tilapia alive
05:58 jdanks (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha
05:58 cazalla jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food
05:58 jdanks Those bantams are awesome. My faves are the barred rocks because they look like zebras
05:59 jdanks lol Boingo that's sad. Don't those eat like..anything?
05:59 jdanks cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you.
06:00 BingoBoingo jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it.
06:01 BingoBoingo Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid.
06:02 jdanks I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol
06:02 chetty http://www.wctrib.com/content/police-chief-kills-boys-pet-chicken-fowl-were-violation-city-ordinance-0
06:02 assbot Police chief kills boys pet chicken: Fowl were in violation of city ordinance | West Central Tribune
06:03 jdanks Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says
06:03 BingoBoingo Tilapia aren't shit eaters like goldfish, but they aren't picky either.
06:04 BingoBoingo Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water
06:05 BingoBoingo Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though
06:05 jdanks He was going to go fishing. Every. Day.
06:05 jdanks Kinda admire his spirit.
06:06 RagnarDanneskjol sounds like my kinda guy
06:06 BingoBoingo jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing?
06:06 jdanks Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar?
06:07 jdanks I wanna go catch some baby tuna. We got an El Nino swell goin on
06:07 BingoBoingo jdanks: Gar, older than dinosaurs. Tastier too.
06:07 jdanks I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit?
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol I grew up on east coast -barrier island, caught plenty of those. scary suckers
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol didnt think they edible
06:08 BingoBoingo jdanks: Decent substitute in crabcakes for crab. Just clear divide between edible an inedible meat on gar
06:09 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. << wait you actually were speaking out of experience ?!
06:09 BingoBoingo The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison.
06:10 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On a spectrum.
06:10 BingoBoingo Swiftly asked for lithium instead
06:11 mircea_popescu jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true.
06:11 mircea_popescu which is how young women ended up being called chicks.
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06:11 BingoBoingo !b 5
06:14 jdanks Can't seem to find the vid http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090725194128/familyguy/images/9/92/The_View.jpg
06:15 BingoBoingo jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question?
06:15 jdanks This one will suffice http://youtu.be/cAVmP16ktY4
06:15 assbot The View Chicken Show - YouTube
06:16 jdanks Oh boy I'm tired. postin useless vids. To bed!
06:17 BingoBoingo And this is the reason I trust the Jer0d Poore guy
06:18 punkman mhmm I want to smoke some fish now, you guys are making me hungry
06:19 BingoBoingo " Posted Today, 01:21 AM
06:19 BingoBoingo I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA.
06:19 BingoBoingo There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...).
06:19 BingoBoingo The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant!
06:19 BingoBoingo These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway.
06:19 BingoBoingo Life is remarkably similar to old Robert Ludlum novels. Unfortunately.
06:19 BingoBoingo D
06:19 BingoBoingo " -- another paranoid forumer
06:20 punkman I'm thinking doradas and citrus wood
06:21 BingoBoingo I'm thinking ben_vulpes is confused screaming I wought to leave while seeing no reason to expatriate himself
06:27 chetty I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do?
06:27 mircea_popescu that guy is a spook if there ever was one.
06:27 chetty Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff
06:28 BingoBoingo The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly
06:29 mircea_popescu i hear a quite distinct fear in the voice of these people.
06:29 mircea_popescu a new found fear.
06:38 mircea_popescu in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg
06:41 * RagnarDanneskjol zooms in, wonders if thats bleached or just saliva
06:41 * BingoBoingo wonders how Discus fish got to be a pool name sake
06:41 mircea_popescu saliva.
06:42 BingoBoingo few creatures in nature are more fragile
06:43 mircea_popescu she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin.
06:45 cazalla what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit?
06:45 RagnarDanneskjol oh yea -good eyes
06:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.0008427 = 27.9355 BTC [-]
06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00084289 = 9.8618 BTC [+]
06:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 179 @ 0.17708859 = 31.6989 BTC [-] {11}
06:53 BingoBoingo http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/26704-i-need-to-pick-your-brains-neurotransmitter-questions/#entry170088
06:53 assbot I Need To Pick Your Brains... Neurotransmitter Questions - Know Your Neurotransmitters - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum
06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084175 = 7.1549 BTC [-]
06:57 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507120154481033216
06:57 assbot Forcing specification through mutually disjunct implementations is the best we get. http://t.co/a6C84D4jvF /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets
06:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.17583162 = 5.2749 BTC [-] {13}
07:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13140 @ 0.00004912 = 0.6454 BTC [-] {12}
07:11 Azelphur kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here.
07:12 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon!
07:12 Azelphur and after saying ^, he's CTCP spamming me :P
07:12 BingoBoingo moriarty do you read this plaintext?
07:13 BingoBoingo Manifest yourself moriarty in this IRC chan, or choke on your text for 7 or 8 eternities
07:13 BingoBoingo I'm not that picky
07:18 BingoBoingo !up bitstein
07:18 BingoBoingo Hello bitstein
07:18 bitstein Hey BingoBoingo
07:19 BingoBoingo Long time no see
07:19 bitstein ha, yea. i have a lot of logs to catch up on.
07:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 101 @ 0.15035248 = 15.1856 BTC [-] {11}
07:21 BingoBoingo bitstein: Indeed you do, but so does Pierre
07:22 BingoBoingo I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ AND you may be lost on the evidence
07:22 assbot The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog
07:23 BingoBoingo !up tris
07:25 BingoBoingo bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps
07:25 bitstein such as?
07:27 BingoBoingo bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape
07:28 BingoBoingo You've got a good thing, your master gave it a good name.
07:28 BingoBoingo Don't fight it
07:31 BingoBoingo Kunta, if you aren't going to contest Toby as your new name you might as well just pick nubbins' cotton so he can focus on interesting t-shirts
07:33 BingoBoingo A Proud stand https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507129087409012736
07:33 assbot /evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash
07:33 bitstein “Hearnia” made me lol
07:33 BingoBoingo @karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb
07:33 BingoBoingo Hearnia is true
07:34 BingoBoingo bitstein: Have you ever dealt with a truely grave pelvic injury?
07:35 bitstein nope
07:35 BingoBoingo Hearnia just opens the story
07:35 BingoBoingo bitstein: Did you also see the thing where the FBI showed up on my front door?
07:36 bitstein No, I have been out of the loop for the past month. That’s crazy. What happened?
07:38 pankkake that systemd article is ridiculous…
07:39 BingoBoingo bitstein: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ happened for starters
07:39 assbot A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
07:39 BingoBoingo pankkake: systemd is the devil
07:39 BingoBoingo And not the good devil like I lovingly worship
07:40 pankkake care to formulate an actual technical critic? other than the usual uninformed bullshit
07:40 BingoBoingo pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that.
07:41 pankkake I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running
07:41 BingoBoingo .'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin
07:41 pankkake yeah, the usual bullshit
07:41 pankkake have you actually tried to use it?
07:41 BingoBoingo It shouldn't reliable be able to tell you so
07:41 pankkake lol
07:42 BingoBoingo It SHOULD be mystery meat
07:42 BingoBoingo A/UX worked, Solaris up to version 8 worked, FUCK DEBIAN!
07:43 pankkake so that's basically hipsterism
07:43 BingoBoingo pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing.
07:44 BingoBoingo I'm fucking paleo.
07:44 chetty never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year
07:44 pankkake wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what
07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00084175 = 11.1111 BTC [-]
07:45 BingoBoingo pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit?
07:45 BingoBoingo These are primordial questions, born of the mud
07:46 BingoBoingo sanity comes later, wrestle with some elder gods
07:47 punkman http://boycottsystemd.org/
07:47 assbot boycott systemd
07:47 mircea_popescu <bitstein> “Hearnia” made me lol << me too, actually.
07:47 punkman how about those
07:49 mircea_popescu soo... canonical is spawning a whole new windnux ?
07:49 mircea_popescu !up bitspill
07:49 pankkake punkman: yeah, they're retards
07:49 mircea_popescu !up bitstein
07:50 mircea_popescu "We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it."
07:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck
07:50 mircea_popescu i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ?
07:52 mircea_popescu "1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco
07:52 mircea_popescu very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things."
07:52 mircea_popescu ahahhaha.
07:52 mircea_popescu no prng ? but why not :D
07:52 pankkake except the distros init systems actually do that
07:53 pankkake so, retards with no idea what they are talking about
07:54 pankkake again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those
07:54 mircea_popescu systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes
07:54 mircea_popescu are served, as well, through libqrencode.
07:54 mircea_popescu libmircohttpd ? srsly ?
07:56 mircea_popescu By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)
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07:56 mircea_popescu ahahaha who the fuck designed this
07:57 pankkake have you actually checked the validity of this list?
07:57 mircea_popescu i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ?
07:57 mircea_popescu pankkake i have nfi, this is my checking process. does it suck ?
07:58 pankkake yeah, I don't know why I bother...
07:58 BingoBoingo pankkake: I still like Solaris 8
07:58 pankkake there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it"
07:58 pankkake seriously, is this a joke?
07:59 mircea_popescu pankkake which part ?
07:59 pankkake the part of jumping of the "systemd is bad" bandwagon without any knowledge whatsoever
07:59 BingoBoingo pankkake: this is *nix world, everything works!
07:59 pankkake ...
07:59 punkman pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck
08:00 mircea_popescu "It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well"
08:00 mircea_popescu herp.
08:01 mircea_popescu pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?)
08:01 mircea_popescu i don't particularly give a shit anyway, not like i;ve been seriously contemplating running contemporary distros anywhere anyway.
08:01 mircea_popescu "systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot."
08:01 mircea_popescu how about that one roflmao.
08:02 mircea_popescu srsly, it does all that AND it does it all as a single pid, AND it fixes which pid ? help me rwanda, what is this, microshit's fired a lot of "engineers" ?
08:02 chetty sounds like windows
08:02 pankkake init systems are PID 1...
08:02 pankkake fucking fuck
08:02 pankkake what am I even doing here?
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08:03 BingoBoingo !b 9
08:03 mircea_popescu o.O
08:04 mircea_popescu dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of.
08:04 mircea_popescu and why's he so touchy anyway.
08:05 mircea_popescu "11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so
08:05 mircea_popescu be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that.
08:06 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/
08:06 assbot Torvalds rails at Linux developer: 'I'm f*cking tired of your code' The Register
08:06 mircea_popescu what again ?
08:06 mircea_popescu no, that's the same april thing. ok os ?
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9876 @ 0.00084289 = 8.3244 BTC [+]
08:09 mircea_popescu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd << not even ubuntu uses it o.O
08:09 assbot systemd - Ubuntu Wiki
08:09 punkman not yet at least
08:09 mircea_popescu well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there,
08:10 mircea_popescu "It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote.
08:11 mircea_popescu apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol.
08:11 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf.
08:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:12 pankkake ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit
08:12 pankkake nor is torvalds against systemd
08:13 pankkake and init systems DO handle encryption, network setup
08:13 pankkake it's a bunch of shell scripts that do just that
08:13 mircea_popescu well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ?
08:14 pankkake yes, and?
08:14 pankkake I'm sick and tired of talking in riddles
08:14 mircea_popescu if i don't like what a script does, i edit it. if i don't like what a binary does, i ... ?
08:14 pankkake you edit your init system really?
08:15 mircea_popescu i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory.
08:16 mircea_popescu but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?
08:17 mircea_popescu anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering.
08:17 mircea_popescu is there more than meets the eye ?
08:20 BingoBoingo !up bitstein
08:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me.
08:22 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Then why did the smart poles get that radiation poisoning
08:22 mircea_popescu which ?
08:23 mircea_popescu X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much!
08:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first.
08:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq
08:25 mircea_popescu well... they were "french"
08:27 BingoBoingo Not pankkake french
08:27 BingoBoingo Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy
08:32 BingoBoingo What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter?
08:32 BingoBoingo Are Charlie and Erik that afraid?
08:33 mircea_popescu what'd you have them say ?
08:33 BingoBoingo Or do I price my liberty too cheaply? Or do I overestimate my oratory skill too much?
08:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just, Hey dudes, FBI showed up.
08:34 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just an acknowledgement of an encounter.
08:34 mircea_popescu im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s)
08:35 BingoBoingo At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of.
08:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00084505 = 41.1962 BTC [+] {3}
08:38 BingoBoingo Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts
08:38 assbot The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog
08:39 mircea_popescu o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.
08:40 BingoBoingo Indeed there is
08:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg
08:40 assbot Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other Things - YouTube
08:43 BingoBoingo pankkake: You know what works with systemV init? A/UX
08:46 BingoBoingo So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there:
08:46 BingoBoingo BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois.
08:46 BingoBoingo <Barabbas> :)
08:46 BingoBoingo <Barabbas> what have new in Ilinois?
08:46 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first
08:46 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> Also Chicag still sounds worse than Iraq
08:46 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq
08:46 BingoBoingo <Barabbas> what is happening in Chichago?
08:46 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> Oh just niggers shooting each other, the usual
08:46 BingoBoingo <Barabbas> huh...
08:46 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> Seriously, it's why I like living south of I-70, put some distance between myself and that.
08:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat.
08:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm.
08:50 mircea_popescu i mean failing to use a pastebin,
08:51 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507148870238085120
08:51 assbot /mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode?
08:51 BingoBoingo Ah
08:51 mircea_popescu decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating.
08:52 mircea_popescu i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make.
08:52 BingoBoingo I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm
08:53 chetty there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us
08:54 mircea_popescu yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch.
08:54 mircea_popescu these two may be related.
08:57 * BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game
08:58 mircea_popescu kinda unlikely.
08:59 BingoBoingo I thought you spent the last month finger fucking the shit out of i* games
09:00 mircea_popescu sure, but not shitty ones.
09:00 mircea_popescu "From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat
09:00 mircea_popescu ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told
09:00 mircea_popescu to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option."
09:00 mircea_popescu http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ << check out angry guy.
09:00 assbot Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog
09:00 mircea_popescu stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated...
09:03 BingoBoingo True
09:04 BingoBoingo I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things
09:04 Azelphur so, I had a fun week \o/
09:04 BingoBoingo Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's
09:04 BingoBoingo Hey Azelphur
09:04 mircea_popescu "As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!"
09:04 mircea_popescu nutcase.
09:05 Azelphur tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference"
09:05 mircea_popescu nice.
09:05 Azelphur was awesome :P
09:05 Azelphur so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now
09:05 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Owncloud seems like a iCloud/Dropbox marketing stunt
09:06 BingoBoingo And why am I not invited to this shit.
09:06 Azelphur BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar
09:06 Azelphur the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud
09:06 BingoBoingo Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks
09:06 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I'm having no problems with it ;)
09:07 BingoBoingo Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names
09:07 Azelphur BingoBoingo: like what? I'm implementing missing things.
09:07 BingoBoingo even though actual solutions have existed for a long time
09:07 mircea_popescu "Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position.
09:07 BingoBoingo Azelphur: What about owncloud calendar?
09:07 mircea_popescu nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D
09:08 Azelphur BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features.
09:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why such a hater!
09:08 Azelphur haters gonna hate :P
09:08 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Does it work with real Mac OS calendar?
09:08 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I believe so, yes.
09:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because hate makes me feel alive
09:09 Azelphur it all talks CalDAV afaik, but I wouldn't be caught dead on a Mac so...
09:09 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it?
09:09 Azelphur BingoBoingo: no
09:10 Azelphur BingoBoingo: CalDAV is an open specification that has been around for ages, if your application doesn't support it it's your application that sucks and not ownCloud
09:10 BingoBoingo OS 7.5.1 is the end of the line
09:10 Azelphur :P
09:10 BingoBoingo Azelphur: I can't help it if computers have onky gone downhill since 1991
09:10 Azelphur lol
09:11 BingoBoingo I mean software's gotten better.
09:11 Azelphur well caldav was only drafted in 2007, so I guess you're out of luck ;)
09:11 BingoBoingo You can run XFCE 4.10 on a motorola 68030...
09:12 BingoBoingo !up mapop
09:12 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I can run XFCE on my phone too :P
09:13 BingoBoingo Azelphur: I bet your phone has more than two colors though
09:13 Azelphur indeed it does
09:13 BingoBoingo Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right?
09:14 Azelphur orly
09:14 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I have a friend you'd like, he still has a 486 :P
09:14 BingoBoingo Ya rly
09:14 BingoBoingo 486 is too new
09:15 BingoBoingo If that had cred I'd be rolling a 68060
09:15 BingoBoingo CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though
09:16 Azelphur lol
09:16 BingoBoingo What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8
09:17 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c that's splendid.
09:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:18 Azelphur BingoBoingo: HTC Xperia Optimus XT?
09:18 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it.
09:18 Azelphur lol
09:20 BingoBoingo Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume to make a "cloud" I'd like?
09:21 BingoBoingo I mean you can't do worse than Apple at least
09:21 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I don't believe I did :)
09:22 mircea_popescu Azelphur so are you getting stock options ?
09:22 Azelphur mircea_popescu: I haven't really touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now
09:22 BingoBoingo Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options
09:22 Azelphur I'm bad at it, remember? :P
09:22 mircea_popescu nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing
09:23 Azelphur mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it
09:23 mircea_popescu and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over
09:23 Azelphur exactly
09:23 mircea_popescu you left unemployed ?!
09:24 Azelphur yep :<
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09:24 BingoBoingo !b 11
09:24 mircea_popescu nuts.
09:24 Azelphur mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days...
09:24 Azelphur xD
09:24 mircea_popescu this is why they want to hire you, logically.
09:25 Azelphur mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now
09:25 mircea_popescu think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview.
09:25 mircea_popescu what else.
09:25 BingoBoingo If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians.
09:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you coulda asked :D
09:26 Azelphur mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P
09:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: When MpU is a thing, I'll keep your books from rotting
09:26 Azelphur I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before
09:26 mircea_popescu Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D
09:26 Azelphur haha
09:26 Azelphur mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :)
09:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i guess you never read
09:26 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema cartile au murit
09:27 gribble Iulie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/07>; “Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect” pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/universalism-postwar-progressivism-as-a-christian-sect>; August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/08>
09:27 Azelphur and just wanted me there because the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me
09:27 mircea_popescu whole world is upside down i tell you.
09:27 mircea_popescu but who knows, maybe you';re right.
09:27 Azelphur mircea_popescu: yea, I got this offer from ionCube anyway that I'm probably gonna take
09:28 mircea_popescu is tha the php encoding stuff ?
09:28 Azelphur yep
09:28 Azelphur pay isn't too great but at least it's a start :)
09:29 Azelphur tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P
09:29 mircea_popescu :p
09:29 pankkake owncloud competitor http://cozy.io/
09:29 assbot Cozy, a personal cloud you can hack, host and delete
09:30 RagnarDanneskjol Azelphur - is this you? https://github.com/Azelphur
09:30 assbot Azelphur (Azelphur) GitHub
09:30 Azelphur pankkake: yea, there are a few
09:30 Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: yup
09:30 RagnarDanneskjol I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want to hire you. will email later today or tomorrow
09:31 RagnarDanneskjol no reason to take less pay than you're worth
09:31 Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday
09:31 Azelphur although contracts aren't signed yet
09:31 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright.
09:31 RagnarDanneskjol oh we;; that is small -when do you need to accept by?
09:32 Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno, HR hasn't contacted me yet
09:32 Azelphur I grumbled at them about the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil
09:32 Azelphur but we resolved that to some degree
09:32 RagnarDanneskjol hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote?
09:32 Azelphur onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me
09:33 Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD
09:33 RagnarDanneskjol ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back to you latr today
09:33 Azelphur ok :)
09:34 mircea_popescu pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?
09:35 Azelphur I'd bet on the latter
09:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's an awfully chewy Trilema article
09:35 mircea_popescu "trilema. chewing gum for your soul."
09:35 pankkake just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems
09:36 kakobrekla <Azelphur> mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff.
09:36 mircea_popescu putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ?
09:36 kakobrekla helps
09:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old trilems!
09:37 pankkake you're doing it again
09:37 Azelphur kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way.
09:37 Azelphur but then, those are usually the type of people who are overly sensitive anyway
09:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas.
09:38 mircea_popescu pankkake what am i doing!11 eleventeen
09:38 kakobrekla if you are sheep, act as the master wants.
09:38 pankkake existing init systems are complicated too
09:38 Azelphur kakobrekla: I ain't no sheep :)
09:38 kakobrekla why you looking to get cut then
09:38 mircea_popescu pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there.
09:39 Azelphur kakobrekla: because I need food? :P
09:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much!
09:39 mircea_popescu kakobrekla do you mean sheared ?
09:39 kakobrekla sheep it is.
09:39 Azelphur lol
09:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.004 = 1.2 BTC [-]
09:39 kakobrekla dude im trolling from my bed, give me some slack
09:39 mircea_popescu would you like schlitz on your slacks ?
09:39 kakobrekla double.
09:40 mircea_popescu btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ?
09:40 chetty ouch
09:40 mircea_popescu chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol
09:41 BingoBoingo I'm drinking a bottle of Missouri wine, of course I would rahter suck shclitz out of denim
09:41 chetty not just zipping, walk around even would be not nice
09:41 BingoBoingo pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason to steal its knobs
09:42 pankkake what does that even mean?
09:42 mircea_popescu pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary.
09:42 BingoBoingo pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that
09:44 mircea_popescu if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.
09:44 pankkake I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is that evil too?
09:44 pankkake nevermind that's it's widely more usable
09:45 pankkake it must NEVER CHANGE
09:45 pankkake I suppose you guys are using HAL too
09:45 BingoBoingo OpenRC is like initd
09:45 mircea_popescu pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer.
09:45 pankkake what does that even mean?
09:45 BingoBoingo Bowties are fine
09:45 pankkake fucking riddles
09:45 BingoBoingo Pianowire if you tell me it is a bowtie is not fine
09:46 mircea_popescu what do you mean riddles!
09:48 BingoBoingo Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium
09:50 mircea_popescu pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?
09:51 mircea_popescu it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days.
09:51 BingoBoingo http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140804/NEWS04/308040019/In-supersecret-cyberwar-game-civilian-sector-techies-pummel-active-duty-cyberwarriors
09:51 assbot In supersecret cyberwar game, civilian-sector techies pummel active-duty cyberwarriors | Army Times | armytimes.com
09:52 BingoBoingo There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003
09:55 mircea_popescu "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.
09:56 mircea_popescu Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.
09:56 mircea_popescu it's what it gets to boot. a second.
09:57 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs?
09:58 mircea_popescu cuz it's evil, that's why.
09:58 mircea_popescu "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple
09:58 mircea_popescu and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."
09:58 mircea_popescu no see... he's making all the wrong arguments.
09:59 Luke-Jr even I think systemd is crap
09:59 mircea_popescu lmao
09:59 BingoBoingo Take GABA A as an example, very well understood
09:59 Azelphur Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about.
09:59 Azelphur xD
10:00 mircea_popescu but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ?
10:00 BingoBoingo A large number of drugs specifically target GABA A
10:00 pankkake he actually refered to what it was easier to learn
10:01 BingoBoingo And no drug that specifically targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose
10:01 pankkake I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you?
10:01 mircea_popescu only debian.
10:02 mircea_popescu and taking a charitable view of "written"
10:02 BingoBoingo Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though...
10:03 BingoBoingo And then a single molecule of ETOH opens the cholirde channel too wide, death.
10:03 BingoBoingo !up Diablo_D3
10:03 BingoBoingo !up diana_coman
10:04 diana_coman thanks BingoBoingo
10:04 BingoBoingo yw
10:06 mircea_popescu http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html << nah, he's not even being honest.
10:06 assbot The Biggest Myths
10:06 mircea_popescu i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.
10:06 BingoBoingo I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware?
10:06 mircea_popescu then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic.
10:06 mircea_popescu tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it.
10:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 195 @ 0.00425229 = 0.8292 BTC [+] {5}
10:11 BingoBoingo Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word.
10:11 BingoBoingo *final
10:12 BingoBoingo Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing.
10:13 BingoBoingo Now though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance
10:14 BingoBoingo The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all
10:14 BingoBoingo per <Luke-Jr> even I think systemd is crap
10:17 mircea_popescu 19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!
10:18 mircea_popescu and it also doesn't force you to... oh... wait.
10:18 BingoBoingo Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps.
10:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we call this 'добровольно- принудительно' ('voluntary-compulsory')
10:18 BingoBoingo Systemd is over
10:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if enemy died when you said 'bang! yer dead' life'd be a lot simpler, yes.
10:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case.
10:20 mircea_popescu nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support.
10:20 BingoBoingo Bra's get support
10:20 mircea_popescu mansiere!
10:21 mircea_popescu Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.
10:21 BingoBoingo systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets.
10:21 mircea_popescu this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom
10:22 BingoBoingo Either way the brass isn't going to spark, because that's just what brass does.
10:24 pankkake we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial
10:25 mircea_popescu o look, there's #systemd
10:25 pankkake daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere
10:25 mircea_popescu pankkake that's a good thing, granted.
10:25 mircea_popescu i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho.
10:26 pankkake that's what the log points to
10:26 mircea_popescu lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone.
10:26 BingoBoingo <sztanpet> cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D
10:27 BingoBoingo ^^ Nigga speak
10:27 pankkake and as a Gentoo user I don't feel "trapped" so no delusion one way or the other
10:28 BingoBoingo pankkake: Anything that gives me less knobs than a mid 80's GUI is hell
10:28 pankkake care to describe the "knobs"?
10:28 BingoBoingo pankkake: Runlevel4
10:28 mircea_popescu "We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin.
10:28 pankkake ...
10:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ?
10:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel
10:29 mircea_popescu anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7.
10:30 mircea_popescu no, 6.
10:30 BingoBoingo Oh, just anything you care to force upon your boxen
10:30 pankkake so you want your one custom integer runlevel compared to an infinity of named runlevels?
10:31 BingoBoingo pankkake: Yes, because that one runlevel can represent itself aleph sub 0 runlevels
10:32 mircea_popescu For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century.
10:32 BingoBoingo If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense
10:34 mircea_popescu Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under
10:34 mircea_popescu stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally.
10:34 mircea_popescu now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one.
10:35 BingoBoingo As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody.
10:36 BingoBoingo Thankfully viagra is not a controlled sunstance
10:36 BingoBoingo *substance
10:38 kakobrekla http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/31/inside-noiva-do-cordeiro-a-remote-brazilian-village-where-nearly-all-the-residents-are-women/
10:38 assbot Inside Noiva do Cordeiro a remote Brazilian village where nearly all the residents are women | National Post
10:39 BingoBoingo systemd has 24 months to learn the silence that the spring lambs can't
10:40 BingoBoingo In 25 months starfish bleed
10:42 mircea_popescu http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows.
10:42 assbot Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems
10:42 mircea_popescu the best quote in there,
10:42 mircea_popescu "The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. "
10:42 BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dw1wl/nakamoto_institute_scam/cjtmb7r
10:42 assbot total_product_recall comments on Nakamoto Institute Scam?
10:43 mircea_popescu well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough.
10:44 BingoBoingo Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel
10:44 BingoBoingo Or COlnel
10:44 BingoBoingo Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days
10:45 pankkake there's no libc in the linux kernel…
10:45 BingoBoingo But to compile it?
10:46 mircea_popescu pankkake saywut ?! glibc ?
10:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Join systemd again.
10:47 pankkake it doesn't provide one
10:47 BingoBoingo I want someone to measure how long I can spout truth/crazy
10:47 pankkake nor does bionic come from openbsd
10:47 pankkake this whole discussion is such a joke
10:47 BingoBoingo !up providers36
10:48 providers36 thk
10:49 mircea_popescu pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ?
10:49 mircea_popescu if memory serves they tried and failed in the 90s.
10:49 pankkake tried what?
10:49 mircea_popescu a glibc forc
10:49 mircea_popescu fork*
10:54 BingoBoingo So... systemd chan might not have someone capable of banning me
10:55 mircea_popescu pankkake as to the other matter, say http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000
10:55 assbot Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
11:04 mircea_popescu !up mapop
11:04 BingoBoingo Trolling #systemd is like slaughtering lemmings
11:05 Azelphur Trolling is for people who don't have important things like code to write :P
11:05 BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/23ZA2W6
11:05 assbot dpaste: 23ZA2W6
11:06 mircea_popescu eh what are you bothering people for.
11:06 Azelphur BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :)
11:07 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> Systemd is the devil
11:07 BingoBoingo <dreisner> sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with.
11:07 BingoBoingo <zdzichu> BingoBoingo: so go and ignore systemd
11:07 BingoBoingo <zdzichu> linux is mostly opensource, you are free to do whatever you want
11:07 BingoBoingo <BingoBoingo> zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!!
11:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I b0other them so the know their hitpoints later
11:08 mircea_popescu you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever
11:08 mircea_popescu <thrice> he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao.
11:08 BingoBoingo But it has great predictive value
11:09 BingoBoingo Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd?
11:10 BingoBoingo I mean chicoms
11:10 BingoBoingo Everywhere
11:13 BingoBoingo http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/03/0021222/changing-the-rules-of-a-15-year-old-game-quake-live-update-causes-controversy << WHy sytemd can't live
11:13 assbot Changing the Rules of a 15-Year-Old Game: Quake Live Update Causes Controversy - Slashdot
11:19 BingoBoingo !up providers36
11:20 providers36 thanks
11:20 BingoBoingo The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia
11:22 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/reports-wes-welker-suspended-four-games-for-amphetamin-1629795049
11:22 assbot Wes Welker Suspended Four Games For Amphetamines (And Maybe Molly, Too)
11:24 BingoBoingo Wes Welker is sytemd
11:30 BingoBoingo <Azelphur> BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft.
11:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you ever play dwarf fortress
11:31 mircea_popescu nop
11:31 thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` just roll it like a blunt
11:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:32 thestringpuller ;;google cracked dwarf fortress
11:32 gribble Dwarf Fortress | Cracked.com: <http://www.cracked.com/funny-6021-dwarf-fortress/>; xkcd • View topic - You gotta get into Dwarf Fortress if you haven ...: <http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=19469&p=3300100>; How To Get Into Dwarf Fortress | Press X or Die: <http://pressxordie.com/2011/08/01/how-to-get-into-dwarf-fortress/>
11:41 BingoBoingo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/gynecological-cancer-survey-eve-appeal_n_5754798.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
11:41 assbot Nearly Half Of Young Women In The U.K. Don't Know Where Their Vagina Is
11:43 BingoBoingo No wonder why moiety starved
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00084339 = 34.7477 BTC [-] {2}
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12:04 punkman https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/440744543856492544
12:04 assbot Hey /digitalocean - how about you support me? My users are ready!
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12:53 mircea_popescu i had nfi digital ocean was a small startup.
12:53 mircea_popescu why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing.
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13:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo here's something for when you wake up. http://trilema.com/2010/lawrence-alma-tadema/
13:12 assbot Lawrence Alma-Tadema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:13 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust <Kernel_Killer>
13:13 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user <Kernel_Killer>: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | Rated since: never
13:13 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust Kernel_Killer
13:13 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Kernel_Killer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Kernel_Killer | Rated since: never
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13:30 RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch
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14:14 jurov ;;later tell Azelphur did you see http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/23/First-impressions-from-ownCloud ? i have serious issues with both calendar and contacts
14:14 assbot First impressions of ownCloud - serialized delusions
14:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:15 TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins' flat pack it. Give me an address to send to
14:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
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14:30 artifexd ;;later tell nubbins` Flat pack it. Shall I send the extra to the same address?
14:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
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14:47 pete_on_the_balt ahoy!
14:47 pete_on_the_balt might take me a while to parse through all dem logs.
14:47 pete_on_the_balt forgive me if i start quoting shit that's 3 days past prime
14:54 pete_on_the_balt ;;nethash
14:54 gribble 209787434.975
15:07 thestringpuller maybe you should stop using boats
15:07 thestringpuller and instead use airplaines
15:07 thestringpuller :D
15:11 pete_on_the_balt lol who me, use boats?
15:11 pete_on_the_balt thestringpuller: http://contravex.com/2014/09/01/all-the-kings-horses-and-all-the-kings-men-cant-stop-a-social-engineering-attack/#comment-10243
15:11 assbot All The King’s Horses And All The King’s Men Can’t Beat A Social Engineering Attack | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
15:14 thestringpuller lol in 2030 i'll probably be dead
15:14 thestringpuller or in cryofreeze
15:16 pete_on_the_balt heh
15:16 pete_on_the_balt i dunno, if you beat cancer once or twice, i'm sure you'll be there
15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00084797 = 14.357 BTC [+]
15:30 artifexd http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/this-girl-designed-porn-banners-for-a-living
15:30 assbot Things You Learn Designing Porn Banners for a Living | VICE United Kingdom
15:31 thestringpuller I'd rather just go into Cryofreeze and wake up in the year 3000
15:34 thestringpuller how endearing...
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15:36 pete_on_the_balt gotta run for nao, hopefully i'll be back again before long :)
15:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.00439999 = 0.7084 BTC [+] {3}
15:57 TheNewDeal Later tell nubbins` ditto what articles said
15:58 TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins´ ditto what artifexd said
15:58 gribble Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
15:58 TheNewDeal Fack
15:59 TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins` ditto what artifexd said
15:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0008403 = 24.2847 BTC [-] {3}
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16:22 kuzetsa geez, it's kinda crappy that a game that's been around since 1999 still sometimes have NPCs in one of the main areas which like... interracting with the NPC is bugged, and instantly crashes the game client 100% of the time
16:23 kuzetsa this time, as a test I tried a nearby vendor (no crash) then went back to the one I had problems with and it was reproducable & crashed yet again
16:24 chetty guess it is not being maintained, what game is it?
16:24 kuzetsa no, it's totally being maintained, and the 21st expansion is due out 4th quarter 2014 (october, tentatively)
16:24 kuzetsa everquest
16:25 kuzetsa which I believe is like... the original MMORPG ever or something like that
16:30 kuzetsa oh... maybe not -- this one was around first, and you had to use a dial-up modem to directly connect to it because basically nobody had interent connections in 1992 ---> http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg
16:30 kuzetsa "[...] for as little as $1.80 per hour"
16:30 kuzetsa O_O
16:40 chetty haha I played everquest some looong ago. There were MMORPG before it, just not 3d
16:40 thestringpuller kuzetsa: ultima online was tecnically the first
16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00083978 = 14.3182 BTC [-]
16:43 kuzetsa thestringpuller: how do you figure? wasn't ultima online 1997? the thing I linked was 1992
16:44 thestringpuller mah bad
16:44 thestringpuller first one to charge
16:44 thestringpuller doo doo do dooo
16:44 kuzetsa uhhh...
16:44 kuzetsa the 1992 one I linked was "$1.80 per hour
16:44 thestringpuller really?
16:44 kuzetsa http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg <-- yes, really (that's an old magazine advert for it)
16:45 punkman MUDs were around long before 1992
16:46 thestringpuller ah
16:46 thestringpuller apparently 1985 was the first mmo
16:47 thestringpuller Island of Kesmai
16:57 thestringpuller ;;ticker
16:57 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 475.81, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.57000, Last trade: 477.38, 24 hour volume: 5194.73819791, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 479.57, 24 hour vwap: 0
16:57 thestringpuller ;;ls
16:57 gribble What do you think I am, a shell?
17:05 jurov ;;laserkittens
17:05 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
17:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00189958 = 1.0144 BTC [+]
17:11 thestringpuller ;;laserkittens
17:11 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
17:11 thestringpuller tha's adorable
17:11 thestringpuller ;;lasers
17:11 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
17:12 thestringpuller ;;kittens
17:12 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ .･( meow! )
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17513 @ 0.00084198 = 14.7456 BTC [+]
17:28 kuzetsa kesmai eh?
17:28 kuzetsa thestringpuller: that was way before my time, I would've been like four
17:28 kuzetsa also, I didn't know how to type very well yet at that age (or even spell)
17:31 thestringpuller i would have been a sperm
17:31 thestringpuller acutally I wouldn't have even been a sperm
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00084593 = 13.5772 BTC [+]
17:32 kuzetsa :/
17:32 Azelphur jurov: interesting, the Calendar is on the edge of being replaced by a complete rewrite, so maybe it'll solve some stuff for you
17:32 Azelphur I haven't really played with contacts yet
17:34 lobbes ;;google sperm lifespan
17:34 gribble Sperm: How Long Sperm Live, Sperm Count, and More - WebMD: <http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/guide/sperm-and-semen-faq>; How long can sperm live in a woman or in fertile cervical fluid?: <http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/sperm.html>; Sperm life span - Mayo Clinic: <http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/getting-pregnant/expert-answers/pregnancy/faq-20058504>
17:34 kuzetsa haha indeed
17:34 kuzetsa but really though, sperm are produced less than a year before they die
17:36 kuzetsa so as far as genetic material, the "destined to be you" genetic material already in existance was likely the egg (ovaries start off with all the eggs they'll ever have, and just stay dormant except during a cycle)
17:39 thestringpuller lol
17:39 thestringpuller i just wanna go home and learn to play dwarf fortress
17:42 cazalla kuzetsa, are you playing project 99?
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18:14 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-wars/
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20:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21712 @ 0.00084001 = 18.2383 BTC [-]
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21:18 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
21:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 472.54, Best ask: 473.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 473.78, 24 hour volume: 4830.36694909, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 477.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
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22:28 TheNewDeal ;;laeter tell nubbins` was that it??
22:28 gribble Error: "laeter" is not a valid command.
22:28 TheNewDeal ;;later tell nubbins` was that it??
22:28 gribble The operation succeeded.
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22:53 kuzetsa [17:42:40] <+cazalla> kuzetsa, are you playing project 99? << oh sorry, I was ingame (everquest... and no, I don't even know what project 99 is)
22:58 cazalla kuzetsa, it's classic type server, expansions slowly roll out
22:59 cazalla perfect if you're of the idea that the game went to shit after velious (greatest expansion ever)
23:02 cazalla have you played archeage yet?
23:04 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu s.nsa chronicle - sent.
23:04 gribble The operation succeeded.
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23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38138 @ 0.00084334 = 32.1633 BTC [+] {2}
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23:49 assbot MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
23:56 BingoBoingo !up MolokoDesk
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