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00:00 benkay it's okay for editing text
00:00 asciilifeform emacs is life
00:00 BingoBoingo Life seems to be in a precarious position, once again thanks to life bombs launching damaging spaceships
00:00 benkay mostly it's just a lispy wrapper around *nix runtime
00:00 benkay whoa asciilifeform getting all religious
00:01 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.06780078 BTC. Current weight: 6,304.
00:01 asciilifeform life in literal sense. little oasis in a parched desert of dry turd.
00:01 benkay more like semi sanitizing wrapper
00:01 benkay poo stench still oozes through
00:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
00:01 mike_c BingoBoingo: you got a position?
00:02 BingoBoingo mike_c: Just a little bit on death, less a bit on life
00:02 asciilifeform benkay: stench still oozes through << of course.
00:03 thestringpuller emacs is lame. vim 4 lyfe
00:03 * mircea_popescu uses nano and what is this
00:04 TheNewDeal who is 16tao
00:04 TheNewDeal 16tAo
00:04 asciilifeform lives there a man who doesn't use nano? (or, 'pico' ?)
00:06 asciilifeform Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, / Who never to himself hath said, / This is my own, my native shell! / Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd, / As home his footsteps he hath turn'd, / From wandering on a winblows hell!
00:06 asciilifeform (apologies to sir walter scott)
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00078049 = 9.0927 BTC [+]
00:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00078138 = 13.1084 BTC [+]
00:11 mircea_popescu not bad.
00:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18324 @ 0.00078498 = 14.384 BTC [+]
00:23 kyuupichan TheNewDeal: I believe it's kako, but I could be wrong
00:23 kyuupichan Why?
00:24 TheNewDeal it's an address I see lots while scowering bitbet for my latest fortune
00:24 kyuupichan Someone who's close to MP at any rate
00:24 TheNewDeal wasn't sure if it was MP himself
00:24 TheNewDeal was looking at this
00:24 TheNewDeal http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/
00:24 assbot BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 19 hours 35 minutes | weight: 28`366 (100`000 to 10`000)
00:24 kyuupichan haha, that's a possibility, but I think he normally uses 1K4fs (or sthg similar)
00:25 kyuupichan 1K4Fs
00:25 TheNewDeal which is basically 50 1K4fs vs 32.335 16tAo
00:25 TheNewDeal plus some chump change
00:26 kyuupichan Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako.
00:27 TheNewDeal assuming 16tAo is kako, and 1K4fs is mp, how much does each make in the winning/losing scenario
00:28 kyuupichan A shitload :)
00:30 TheNewDeal how much would one recover from the losing side, considering they owned a large portion of bitbet shares?
00:32 mike_c 1% * (percentage they don't own) - expenses.
00:32 mike_c negligible
00:32 mike_c er, * percentage they do own i mean
00:32 mike_c still, very little.
00:34 TheNewDeal true, looks like it would 1% or less of original bet
00:35 kyuupichan Between them they own most of bitbet meaning they almost bet for free
00:36 TheNewDeal i guess that's pretty fair
00:36 TheNewDeal not that I have a say in the matter :D
00:36 decimation asciilifeform: I've been using org-mode recently, it is definitely a useful tool
00:43 mthreat mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10550867_10204346767814371_6414089052882239487_n.jpg
00:43 mthreat mircea_popescu: it's a mannequin at a restaurant (Filo) in retiro
00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00078155 = 14.7713 BTC [-]
01:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00078446 = 16.4737 BTC [+]
01:04 Bet placed: 1.7998 BTC for No on "Bitstamp Price to exceed 900$ before August (day's low)" http://bitbet.us/bet/814/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4097083 BTC. Current weight: 19,659.
01:04 Bet placed: 59.99631592 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 612.76560806 BTC. Current weight: 37,560.
01:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00078155 = 9.066 BTC [-]
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00078043 = 14.7111 BTC [-] {2}
01:11 kyuupichan TheNewDeal: Your 1Q9Q6 no?
01:11 kyuupichan You're
01:11 TheNewDeal yes
01:11 kyuupichan heh
01:12 TheNewDeal if you would like to purchase some timeweight from me, give me a holler
01:13 kyuupichan Why do you reuse the address? Just curious.
01:13 TheNewDeal that address is pretty much bitbets
01:14 TheNewDeal don't feel the need to change it up often
01:15 kyuupichan I guess it's useful for stats. Not very private though which is why I wondered why people do it. Maybe they just don't care.
01:16 TheNewDeal pretty much what you said there
01:17 kyuupichan I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps?
01:17 TheNewDeal I don't think financial crises necessarily means boom for bitcoin
01:18 TheNewDeal I think you would probably just need a bitstamp like company to go Mt Gox, have a bunch of fishy shit go down, and the other exchanges follow the lead
01:18 Duffer1 wall street level speculation imo
01:18 kyuupichan 10k is quite a tall order in 5 mths though.
01:18 kyuupichan 5k by y/e is far more likely IMO
01:18 Duffer1 they'll price it at whatever the hell they want
01:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9249 @ 0.00078446 = 7.2555 BTC [+]
01:19 kyuupichan Lloyd Blankfein turns believer and publicly puts $100m in BTC.
01:19 TheNewDeal http://bitbet.us/bet/989/bitcoin-to-win-vs-s-p-500/ this bet is very interesting to me
01:19 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500 :: 0.73 B (63%) on Yes, 0.43 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 5 days | weight: 97`197 (100`000 to 1)
01:20 TheNewDeal S&P 500 is sitting at a fragile 1900 at the moment
01:20 kyuupichan Yeah I think equities are looking a bit toppy
01:21 TheNewDeal s&p is an index
01:21 kyuupichan Still I don't think BTC goes to over $2k this year now. I'd be happy with 1500
01:21 kyuupichan Yup I know
01:22 TheNewDeal ahhh gotcha, I guess there is a grey area with indicies of equities
01:23 TheNewDeal I would love to see it go towards $1500 this year, but I think next year is going to be a big one pricewise
01:23 TheNewDeal for some reason I think this year is going to be meh
01:23 kyuupichan Well the first 6 months have been pretty "meh". :)
01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0007849 = 24.3319 BTC [+] {2}
01:24 kyuupichan I wonder if we'll ever be down year-on-year
01:24 TheNewDeal good buying opportunities :).
01:25 TheNewDeal I think the mt cox fiasco really messed with the price, wouldn't be surprised if we were sub 1200 by years end
01:25 Duffer1 the derp money ran face first into the bitcointalk securities scam wall
01:26 Duffer1 + mt gox
01:26 TheNewDeal seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over
01:26 Duffer1 infinite hitpoints indeed
01:27 Duffer1 if bitcoin wants a capital draw then it will probably be porn and gambling leading the way
01:33 Duffer1 and drugs
01:33 TheNewDeal well
01:34 TheNewDeal I also heard the black market of employment is increasing at a faster rate than that of typical tax-payer employment
01:34 nubbins` underground economy ftw
01:34 nubbins` wow, still authed
01:34 TheNewDeal wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation
01:34 TheNewDeal that's the term I was looking for
01:35 TheNewDeal wonder if the first underground economy was above ground or below
01:35 Duffer1 that would be hard to make auditproof without trustworthy mixing services
01:35 nubbins` TheNewDeal, that's already happening all the time ;(
01:35 TheNewDeal why the tears nubbins'?
01:35 nubbins` something in my eye
01:36 nubbins` but anyway. great for unregistered businesses
01:36 TheNewDeal great for the bitcoin economy. simply amazing
01:36 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
01:36 Duffer1 ah ya no doubt
01:36 nubbins` registered ones w/ employees probably aren't just going to start paying salaries with bitcoin and stop deducting income tax
01:36 nubbins` that's a bit silly
01:37 TheNewDeal too much work
01:37 nubbins` too much risk
01:37 TheNewDeal indeed
01:38 nubbins` however, businesses that are directly involved in btc
01:38 nubbins` different story
01:41 TheNewDeal gotta head to bed, but I'll leave you with this. Child-porn sniffing dawgs http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/08/329501226/police-use-dog-to-find-memory-hard-drives-in-search?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140708
01:41 assbot Police Use Dog To Find Memory And Hard Drives In Search : The Two-Way : NPR
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01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00078043 = 5.5411 BTC [-]
02:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40233 @ 0.00077679 = 31.2526 BTC [-] {3}
02:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.000775 = 7.905 BTC [-] {2}
02:12 fluffypony mircea_popescu:paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more! <- he says at 1am :-P
02:13 fluffypony actually that knives4bitcoin site is kinda cool, I'm just not in the market for anything atm
02:17 fluffypony pity they don't have Fallkniven or Benchmade
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02:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0007522 = 20.4222 BTC [-]
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03:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00075652 = 2.7613 BTC [+] {2}
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04:11 kyuupichan Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced?
04:16 cazalla wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this
04:17 cazalla someone should, you know, kill him
04:17 pankkake lol
04:18 pankkake the video was public, with nudity. duh
04:19 cazalla yeah but they usually last longer
04:19 cazalla ISIS videos have been on there for weeks
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04:36 ThickAsThieves <+kyuupichan> Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced? //// there's a meter on the site
04:37 ThickAsThieves https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats
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04:52 kyuupichan ThickAsThieves: Cheers!
04:53 kyuupichan andreas who?
05:07 cazalla exactly
05:08 ThickAsThieves kyuupichan see also http://www.bfxdata.com/
05:08 assbot Bitfinex Swaps USD
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05:54 davout ;;later tell mircea_popescu "it's gonna be 25-0 for germany" <<< implying netherlands won't buttraep argentina :D
05:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 59 @ 0.01609989 = 0.9499 BTC [-] {10}
06:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01448 = 0.724 BTC [-]
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06:35 davout mpex.co down for everyone ?
06:36 fluffypony http://isup.me/mpex.co
06:41 davout isup.me is down for me :D
06:41 davout fluffypony: so is mpex down for you smartass?
06:42 fluffypony yes
06:42 fluffypony and it's down for isup
06:43 pankkake $proxies
06:43 empyex pankkake: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/
06:43 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
06:43 fluffypony http://cheezburger.com/8247736320
06:43 assbot Ukrainian Astronomers Officially Name a Star "Putin is a D-ckhead" - Cheezburger
06:49 davout yeah, proxy down too
06:49 davout e-mail interface would be neat-o
06:49 davout wat, no wait it's up
06:49 davout :D
06:50 pankkake I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order
06:51 davout pankkake: that for one, also linking orders to responses would be another issue
06:52 davout that's actually the kind of interface i was thinking about when trying to figure out how to handle DDoS without cloudflare
06:52 pankkake http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html
06:55 davout pankkake: interesting thanks!
06:59 fluffypony eugh, new Blackberry Passport is fugly: http://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/New-BB-devices.jpg
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.20278397 = 10.1392 BTC [+] {9}
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07:58 FabianB $mpexlag
07:59 FabianB "12:49 <+davout> e-mail interface would be neat-o" <-- looks like the irc interface is down as well, so it's probably not the frontend server, it's the trade engine itself
08:00 empyex FabianB: Hmm.. error.
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08:23 kakobrekla email interface is up afaik
08:23 kakobrekla only its manual.
08:25 kakobrekla <pankkake> I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order < yeah i was thinking same yesterday
08:25 kakobrekla but in my case ill just skip that.
08:25 kakobrekla i think.
08:25 pankkake skip expiration?
08:25 pankkake the issue is that mails can sometimes be stuck for days
08:26 kakobrekla yeah true that. only im not using email. but still, same thing applies
08:26 los_pantalones http://imgur.com/Vi5a6jf
08:26 assbot Some dude in r/soccer made the best bet of his life - Imgur
08:27 fluffypony those odds
08:27 fluffypony that is nuts
08:28 kakobrekla but i was thinking in a sense - you submit your order via whatever protocol and there is some delay to response or it may never come
08:28 kakobrekla basically regardless of which protocol you pick these things can happen
08:28 mircea_popescu davout what's netherlands, like a team or something ?
08:28 kakobrekla so i guess giving it an expiration date fixes this in most if not all cases
08:29 kakobrekla but it complicates it somewhat.
08:29 pankkake the other advantage is that you can wait for the return… and give up waiting after expiration
08:29 kakobrekla mpex model is to requery stat and hope to see if its in
08:30 pankkake lol
08:30 mircea_popescu Confirmed bets: 11000
08:30 davout pankkake: because answer got lost on the way
08:30 davout mebbe
08:30 kakobrekla yeah but i can see how time sync can also be problematic
08:30 pankkake hm, right, you cannot be sure of that too
08:31 davout mircea_popescu: they're the guys who give the balls to robben
08:31 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/
08:31 assbot BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 11 hours 28 minutes | weight: 20`762 (100`000 to 10`000)
08:31 mircea_popescu they're not doing so hawt :p
08:33 mircea_popescu kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako. << kako only has 31.35 btc.
08:34 kakobrekla lol
08:34 mircea_popescu mthreat haha not bad. is it a girl or a boy tho ?
08:35 mircea_popescu kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps? << lol. no, actually, any one of about a million or so people could do it today.
08:36 mircea_popescu buy 1mn worth of btc three-four times, it's done.
08:36 mircea_popescu Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want << haven't managed it so far, no. if only it were that easy.
08:39 mircea_popescu so it seems we're having further problems with teh disks.
08:39 mircea_popescu o lovely disks ;/
08:46 thestringpuller https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad
08:46 assbot Potato Salad by Zack Danger Brown — Kickstarter
08:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.01621653 = 1.0703 BTC [+] {4}
08:53 kakobrekla hm, internets say theres liek 7mio millionaire households in usa alone
08:55 kakobrekla half a mio of them in tokyo
09:01 davout germany scoring 7 goals against brazil isn't that bad
09:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla well yes but someone can't put all their net worth into btc.
09:01 mircea_popescu for one thing they still need a house.
09:01 davout they won 6 million to zero against israel back in the day
09:01 mircea_popescu davout israel.
09:01 kakobrekla i did it. apart from the liver.
09:01 ThickAsThieves Zack Danger is like, fuck, i gotta mail so many bites of potato salad...
09:02 kakobrekla should have done the liver too.
09:03 mircea_popescu so then you;'d have had over 33 bitcoinz ?
09:03 kakobrekla uhum
09:06 kyuupichan kako's gonna be 50 coinz richer soon
09:06 mircea_popescu livers for the whole fambly!
09:07 kakobrekla all i can say it isnt me. which is also what i would say if i wanted to you think it isnt me. so whatever.
09:07 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: lol
09:07 ThickAsThieves just a random note, isnt the bitbet website kinda small, by today's resolution/monitor standards?
09:07 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I'll bet he gets into trouble with some countries for trying to import food to them
09:07 ThickAsThieves i just realized ive had it zoomed way in, cuz the WoL ad is all blurry
09:08 pankkake I have a narrow browser, because it's easier to read
09:08 pankkake those 1920 screens are stupid :/
09:08 ThickAsThieves theyre also why i canty stand left-aligned websites
09:09 kyuupichan kakobrekla: lol
09:09 ThickAsThieves how come no one right aligns?
09:09 ThickAsThieves racists
09:10 kakobrekla terrorist.
09:10 fluffypony PRAISE ALLAH WITH MY RIGHT-ALIGNED SITE
09:10 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves just use punkman's gui
09:11 mircea_popescu websites are for poor people.
09:12 ThickAsThieves how is bitbet sposed to be the furst biggest if so small?
09:12 davout kakobrekla: no actually the terrorists do right align
09:12 ThickAsThieves to be fair i have more than half my websites zoomed in
09:12 ThickAsThieves mp told me to care for my eyes
09:13 pankkake funny how many hipsters' websites have big fonts, yet those guys are young with big glasses
09:13 kakobrekla davout yes that is being implied
09:13 pankkake ThickAsThieves: I use NoSquint, configurable zoom per website
09:13 FabianB $mpexlag
09:13 ThickAsThieves chrome remembers the zoom too mostly
09:13 kakobrekla pankkake do you zoom bitbet?
09:13 fluffypony NoSquirt?
09:14 kakobrekla fluffypony thats the result yea
09:14 fluffypony :-P
09:14 pankkake no, never felt the need to zoom it
09:14 mircea_popescu FabianB it's been down for a while. working on it.
09:15 pankkake though it definitively is easier on the eyes with 110% text-only zoom
09:15 kyuupichan Public Note: bitcoin is harmful ponzi scheme, it will collapse soon, satoshi nakamoto is devil.
09:15 kyuupichan lol
09:15 empyex FabianB: Hmm.. error.
09:16 FabianB mircea_popescu: kk
09:18 kyuupichan Why TF does bitstamp put all their coins in one huge address? Doesn't seem the smartest plan.
09:19 kyuupichan It's ironic the two largest BTC addresses are coins held in custody for others
09:19 kakobrekla nowhere does it say they are smart.
09:19 pankkake why would more addresses be more secure?
09:19 kakobrekla i checked the faq.
09:20 pankkake what's the other largest address?
09:20 kyuupichan DPR seized coins
09:20 mircea_popescu <pankkake> why would more addresses be more secure? << one address can't be in two wallets.
09:21 kakobrekla eh?
09:21 ThickAsThieves this is bound to be a circular debate
09:21 mircea_popescu well that wasn't the best way to say it.
09:21 mircea_popescu all teh btc in one address are lost simultaneously.
09:21 ThickAsThieves more gears, more can break. less gears, when it breaks, it's worse.
09:21 mircea_popescu is what i meant.
09:21 mircea_popescu exactly.
09:22 pankkake right; but the point shouldn't be more addresses, but more holders or locations
09:22 kakobrekla question, do make withdrawals from that addy or they move the whole thing?
09:24 kyuupichan That cosmic ray that does a bitflip between you pressing enter on the password and the software signing the txn
09:24 ThickAsThieves i'd guess it's cold storage and only tapped into when hot wallet is abnormally low
09:24 ThickAsThieves but what do i know
09:25 pankkake can in a fridge
09:28 mircea_popescu lol
09:28 nubbins` fridge in a can
09:28 nubbins` would buy
09:28 ThickAsThieves http://dcmagnates.com/pantera-capital-launches-pantera-bitindex-states-venture-capital-will-drive-bitcoin-growth/
09:28 assbot Pantera Capital Launches Pantera Bitindex, States Venture Capital Will Drive Bitcoin Growth – Digital Currency Magnates
09:29 mircea_popescu pantera is going to make a nice rug.
09:30 ThickAsThieves The research report also announced the launch of the Pantera BitIndex. Measuring seven data points, according to Pantera Capital
09:30 ThickAsThieves Developer interest on GitHub
09:30 ThickAsThieves Merchant adoption
09:30 ThickAsThieves Wikipedia views
09:30 ThickAsThieves Hashrate
09:30 ThickAsThieves Google searches
09:30 ThickAsThieves User adoption as measured by wallets
09:30 ThickAsThieves Transaction volume
09:30 nubbins` ;;ud pantera
09:30 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pantera | Pantera. A fucking kickass metal band that has, believe it or not, made a special appearance in Spongebob Squarepants' episode of "Pre-Hibernation Week".
09:31 ThickAsThieves lol
09:31 mircea_popescu hahaha ok
09:31 ThickAsThieves nice index bro
09:31 mircea_popescu this is like... the forum 2.0
09:32 mircea_popescu under the very flimsy - VERY flimsy - excuse that they aren't really this stupid, they're just trying to cater to the stupid.
09:32 mircea_popescu this sticks until you actually get to know them financial minds, and find out that yes, they are actualy that
09:32 mircea_popescu stupid
09:34 pankkake so pantera is going to invest in companies, not coins?
09:34 ThickAsThieves USD falls today due to decreased github developer interest!
09:34 pankkake s/companies/startups/
09:34 mircea_popescu maybe it just buys the index
09:38 nubbins` landed a job making t-shirts for my favourite sushi restaurant :D
09:38 pankkake are you paid in sushis?
09:39 mircea_popescu :D
09:40 mircea_popescu quote them in rolls!
09:41 pankkake anything's better than fiat. I have not had much success yet though
09:42 pankkake say, I could be paid in hard drives
09:42 fluffypony nigga plz
09:42 fluffypony ssd's only
09:43 pankkake I don't need that much ssds. or I would be very very well paid if I moved everything to ssds
09:45 fluffypony so this DataTank mining crowd
09:45 fluffypony they've now secured ALL OF THE FUNDINGZ
09:45 fluffypony or something
09:45 mircea_popescu what's it do ?
09:45 pankkake tank
09:45 mircea_popescu i beg your pardon ?
09:45 fluffypony hah hah
09:46 fluffypony they shove ASICs in tanks of fluid
09:46 fluffypony in shipping containers
09:46 mircea_popescu o o
09:46 mircea_popescu not such a horrible idea i thought
09:46 mircea_popescu seeing how you then don't need a warehouse anymore, just a lot.
09:47 fluffypony yeah
09:47 mircea_popescu asic miners are also the eminent tool for this. an isp can't do it because customers wil want upgrades etc
09:47 fluffypony it seems nice from a visual perspective, all these shipping-container-modules
09:47 fluffypony but it doesn't seem to be a very clever use of space
09:47 mircea_popescu but i was trying to sell a sysadmin friend on the concept of ironman isp, doing something quite similar.
09:47 mircea_popescu "and if a server blows you just get another one"
09:47 mircea_popescu !up mcm
09:47 fluffypony hah
09:48 mircea_popescu fluffypony why not clever use of space ?
09:48 pankkake shipping cointainers are an old idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Modular_Datacenter
09:48 assbot Sun Modular Datacenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
09:48 mircea_popescu pankkake true.
09:49 fluffypony mircea_popescu: if you want to expand I think grabbing an existing warehouse and expanding within the warehouse is eminently more manageable, both from expansion and security perspectives
09:49 pankkake perhaps having your mining farm mobile can be an advantage
09:49 fluffypony pankkake: not when "mobile" needs 3-phase power
09:49 mircea_popescu fluffypony who's going to steal from a steel container ?
09:49 mircea_popescu warehouse has gates. imo much more secure.
09:50 fluffypony just steal the whole container
09:50 mircea_popescu yeah. right.
09:50 fluffypony :-P
09:50 mircea_popescu you need machinery for that, not really the same as backing in some pickup trucks.
09:50 mircea_popescu also you have to steal the whole thing. if people had to steal the WHOLE old lady, they a) couldn't use bikes and b)wouldn't be bothered.
09:50 mircea_popescu the point is to be ab le to select just the purse.
09:51 mircea_popescu and as for expansion... those shits stack 10 iirc.
09:51 mircea_popescu what dc has 10 floors ?
09:51 pankkake perhaps you want to quickly change the state you operate in. because power costs, laws…
09:51 mircea_popescu pankkake course i see thsi was announced 2006. my idea was cca 2002 :p
09:54 mircea_popescu pankkake plus you get unexpected bonuses. such as parking one in every trailer park in the us.
09:54 Mats_cd03 http://www.linux-kongress.org/2010/slides/osmocombb-welte.pdf killer presentation on gsm
09:54 mircea_popescu least ddos-able miner farm ever (which currently is the major problem)
09:56 pankkake do ddos the farm, you'd have to know what ips they have. pretty easy to hide from the public
09:56 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over << im hoping about 5 (of which 3 already happened. 2 moar reserved for WCs)
09:56 mircea_popescu pankkake nothing is ever easy to hide.
09:57 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation << inasmuch as you've seen this like... yesterday ? yeah.
09:58 Mats_cd03 are miners generally vulnerable to ddos?
09:58 mircea_popescu quite.
09:58 mircea_popescu !up arsenische
09:59 mircea_popescu cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yrlh3E_qu4
09:59 assbot Mission: #bitcoin-assets - YouTube
09:59 mircea_popescu how's it removed ?
09:59 mircea_popescu cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks << yeah but who ever cared about that :p
10:00 Mats_cd03 i enjoy the videos quite a bit
10:01 Mats_cd03 jihadis have a flair for the dramatic. ends up with p good war porn
10:02 pankkake davout: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/29953-un-rapport-pour-encadrer-le-bitcoin-remis-par-tracfin-a-michel-sapin.html
10:02 assbot Un rapport pour encadrer le Bitcoin remis par TRACFIN Michel Sapin
10:02 pankkake the state is "somewhat worried"
10:07 Mats_cd03 do miners necessarily have to be vulnerable to ddos? i cant say i understand how mining works in depth
10:12 nubbins` that video is brutal
10:13 nubbins` BITCOIN!! HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
10:13 danielpbarron a miner doing 51% can take a ddos; any others would not be able to make the longest chain without up-to-date blockchain data
10:14 nubbins` so IDGAF about sports
10:14 mircea_popescu danielpbarron this being the most dangerous part of someone getting 51% : he now has a serious incentive to ddos the world.
10:14 nubbins` but apparently pornhub and similar sites have been flooded with uploads of the germany-brazil game
10:15 davout pankkake: thanks! so apparently it's due on friday
10:15 mircea_popescu all he needs is to constantly kick the 2-3 closest competitors off the block. a la mtgox-tradehill
10:15 nubbins` "young brazilians get fucked by entire german football team" etc
10:15 Mats_cd03 hilarious
10:15 nubbins` they had to ask people to stop, claiming their public humiliation category was full
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10:19 mircea_popescu lol
10:19 mircea_popescu public humiliation is never full!
10:30 mircea_popescu !up indiancandy1
10:30 pankkake public disgrace
10:34 indiancandy1 who?
10:36 mircea_popescu indiancandy1 here's a trick : this cannel is logged. you can see what people were talking about before you showed up. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750961
10:36 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
10:38 kakobrekla there is a log? oh my god mircea, i think i love you.
10:38 rithm logs are for fags
10:39 mircea_popescu kakobrekla show me your teats ?
10:41 indiancandy1 his mine
10:41 indiancandy1 :(
10:41 ThickAsThieves "@BTCFoundation hires Thorsen French as outside lobbyists. Part of the appeal was they weren't invovled in past financial services battles"
10:41 ThickAsThieves god forbid they have experience
10:42 kakobrekla fuck you bitch i was here first.
10:42 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you don';t get how probono works.
10:42 ThickAsThieves Altcoin currently has more votes than GroinCoin at hitbtc.com/vote
10:42 ThickAsThieves such progress
10:42 chetty ThickAsThieves, experience? whats this are you racist or smthn
10:42 mircea_popescu "part of the appeal was that having no experience and looking for exposure, they didn't actually want to be paid"
10:42 ThickAsThieves and more votes than ripple!
10:43 pankkake I suppose you can pay for votes?
10:43 ThickAsThieves probly
10:43 indiancandy1 it was rigged
10:43 rithm omg where 2 buy realcomins!!!!!
10:43 rithm *realcoinz
10:44 ThickAsThieves hmm it says nothing about paying for votes
10:44 ThickAsThieves but it does say theyll list if there are 2 market makers
10:44 pankkake lol
10:44 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what's it take to be a market maker ?
10:45 ThickAsThieves https://hitbtc.com/mm
10:45 assbot Conditions for Market Makers / hitbtc
10:48 mircea_popescu so as a mpex update : all 8 drives + the raid controller are going to be cut up. replacements are going in. mpex won't be back today, but i expect it to be back tomorrow.
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10:48 mircea_popescu FabianB ^
10:49 ThickAsThieves dont forget to tweet that all our bitcoins are safe too
10:50 mircea_popescu well i would if only i hadn't killed andreas.
10:50 mircea_popescu but yes, bitcoin has nothing to do with this, this is the trade engine.
10:52 pankkake so you don't want to ask for your twitter account back?
10:53 mircea_popescu what, for free ?
10:53 pankkake yes
10:53 mircea_popescu mno.
10:53 pankkake they have not invented the unban-for-pay yet
10:53 mircea_popescu twitter wants me tweeting, it gotta pay.
10:54 mircea_popescu the trial account has gone as far as it'll go.
10:54 indiancandy1 mm
10:55 pankkake well, for now redditards think they accomplished something
10:55 mircea_popescu they have lol.
10:55 mircea_popescu they made twitter an iota less relevant.
10:55 pankkake teaching them to be a mob?
10:55 mircea_popescu which i guess is good for reddit, in some perspective.
10:55 pankkake 0 is 0 - I'm not arguing that you should twit, twitter is an useless website for useless people etc.
10:56 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> they made twitter an iota less relevant. < just like a drop of shit can ruin a bottle of wine, a drop of wine doesnt fix the bottle of shit, ya know.
10:56 mircea_popescu pankkake you know, that account is old. i had a two year or so gap in there, some time they "upgraded" their website.
10:57 pankkake what am I arguing for is, show them they accomplished nothing
10:58 pankkake twit "Hail ISIS, behead Roger Ver and Andreas Whatshispoulos"
10:58 mircea_popescu kakobrekla nolo contendere
10:58 mircea_popescu pankkake why should it be upon me to educate other people's children ?
10:59 mircea_popescu let them think whatever they wish, they'll stil get killed if they step on the line.
10:59 mike_c isn't that what you're doing here?
10:59 mircea_popescu mike_c only accidentally.
11:00 mircea_popescu i mean, i don't in any sense mind if it happens, but it's not a goal.
11:03 chetty best goals = ones you don't have
11:03 mircea_popescu tell that to brazil.
11:03 ThickAsThieves the goal is always better on the other side
11:05 mircea_popescu so should i buy some APCs just in case argentina loses and then it's argentina-brazil for 3rd place ?
11:06 mircea_popescu what's the odds on invasion ?
11:06 mircea_popescu !up indiancandy1
11:06 mircea_popescu bish learn how to wot already, this is getting stale.
11:06 indiancandy1 okay im doing now
11:06 indiancandy1 did you see the game got put on pornhub young brazilians get fucked by entire german soccer team
11:07 ThickAsThieves logs.bitcoin-assets.com
11:07 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/eEE7kcI.jpg
11:07 ThickAsThieves oops
11:07 ThickAsThieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
11:07 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
11:09 mircea_popescu lol
11:10 mircea_popescu “These world-class formations contain even more energy resource potential than previously understood, which is important information as we continue to reduce our nation’s dependence on foreign sources of oil,” said Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell. “We must develop our domestic energy resources armed with the best available science, and this unbiased, objective information will help private, nonprofit an
11:10 mircea_popescu d government decision makers at all levels make informed decisions about the responsible development of these resources.”
11:10 mircea_popescu A key component of President Obama’s all-of-the-above energy strategy is the availability of sound science to guide informed decision-making regarding the safe and responsible development of America’s domestic energy resources.
11:10 mircea_popescu “The USGS undertook this assessment of the Bakken and Three Forks Formations as part of a nationwide project assessing U.S. petroleum basins using standardized methodology and protocol,” said Acting Director of the USGS Suzette Kimball. “Through this improved understanding of our energy resources, government, industry, and citizens are better able to understand our domestic energy mix and make wiser decisions fo
11:10 mircea_popescu r the future.”
11:11 mircea_popescu all this fucking insistence on how it's scientific and standardised and everything makes me suspicious already.
11:11 mircea_popescu fortunately i'm not into minerals.
11:11 ThickAsThieves thats a lot of words to not say much
11:11 ThickAsThieves we looked at energy and decided we need to be smart about energy
11:12 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah it's this supposedly major deposit in dakota, upgraded from 3bn barrels to 7bn,
11:12 mircea_popescu tho afaik previously it was held as unproductive.
11:12 ThickAsThieves scamz
11:12 los_pantalones they used to vertical drill
11:12 los_pantalones now they are fracking
11:12 los_pantalones and it's quite successful
11:13 mircea_popescu yeah i was gonna say, this is shale
11:13 los_pantalones yes
11:13 mircea_popescu so better tech may account for it.
11:13 los_pantalones they put a pipe in a 3 ft wide layer of rock 10k feet below ground
11:14 los_pantalones and 10-20k feet horizontal
11:16 mircea_popescu los_pantalones they still holding on to that gulf moratorium ? or did that go away
11:16 mircea_popescu i've really not been following energy
11:17 nubbins` "unproductive" is dynamic anyway
11:17 nubbins` there was a time when western canada's tar sands were unproductive
11:17 mircea_popescu true.
11:17 nubbins` then the price of oil rose
11:18 nubbins` they tried fracking inside a UNESCO world heritage site here last year
11:18 mircea_popescu lol
11:18 indiancandy1 :(
11:18 mircea_popescu how did that go ?
11:18 indiancandy1 i cant take this shit
11:18 nubbins` everybody freaked the fuck out, now there's a fracking moratorium
11:18 nubbins` golf claps all around
11:19 los_pantalones gulf back open for biz, i believe
11:19 mircea_popescu lol i wonder how her frustration graph looks
11:23 fluffypony this is how I imagine stealing a shipping container would go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMS6iCrsqRA
11:23 assbot Bieremy jak leci ! - YouTube
11:27 mircea_popescu lol right
11:33 mircea_popescu fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yWIHCase0 this ore like it
11:33 assbot Forklift truck Crash with container on it - YouTube
11:33 fluffypony *clicks*
11:35 ThickAsThieves http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/09/copay-beta-an-open-source-multisig-wallet.html
11:35 assbot Copay (beta), An Open Source Multisig Wallet | The BitPay Blog
11:35 fluffypony omw
11:35 fluffypony that poor driver
11:36 mircea_popescu fucking dangerous these things, because people are tards and don't properly balance them
11:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.0153515 = 0.5066 BTC [-] {4}
11:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01401 = 0.7005 BTC [-]
11:36 los_pantalones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqYAQb_f3Y
11:36 assbot Epic Forklift Fail Compilation Part 2 - YouTube
11:37 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHP9h8zYD0 << anyway this one is fresh and was lulzy
11:37 assbot Container ship sails straight to shore - Hong Kong April 6, 2014 - YouTube
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.01638889 = 0.6556 BTC [+]
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.01401 = 0.5604 BTC [-]
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11:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 38 @ 0.0160001 = 0.608 BTC [-]
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.75509789 BTC to 11`739 shares, 14951 satoshi per share
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12:50 benkay <mircea_popescu> TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark. // huh i coulda sworn you were talking about the differences just recently
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13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1000 @ 0.00085105 = 0.8511 BTC [-]
13:12 jurov wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever?
13:20 chetty <jurov> yeah mpex seems to eat disk drives
13:23 pankkake no ssds?
13:37 Mats_cd03 ssds are anathema
13:37 pankkake why?
13:48 Mats_cd03 with the added cost you get faster io. i bet mpex isn't io bound
13:49 mircea_popescu jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever? yea.
13:49 Mats_cd03 wear leveling TRIM silent and catastrophic failure modes etc
13:49 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 the only problem with ssds is that they're more difficult to properly decomission
13:50 Mats_cd03 define decommission
13:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not hard at all! magnesium ribbon.
13:51 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 remove from production
13:51 kakobrekla blend them.
13:51 asciilifeform kakobrekla: blend << nope. enemy will fish out intact dies.
13:51 kakobrekla from dust?
13:51 asciilifeform kakobrekla: go blend a thumb drive, see what you get.
13:52 kakobrekla this
13:52 kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eNhPC8wCQ&feature=kp
13:52 assbot "Will It Blend" Series Tests Patriot Flash Drive for Durability - YouTube
13:52 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: owing to what is basically two layers of raid?
13:52 asciilifeform other, 'gentle' idea, dissolve 'windows' into the eeprom with nitric acid. replace cover. when time to decommission, use a UV lamp.
13:52 asciilifeform the drive can even be sold after this, or used in 'civilian' application.
13:53 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 well yes, for one thing they're in a 1+0 raid. for the other thing it';s not like i'm letting them reach the end of wear levelling
13:53 mircea_popescu higher end drives have good diags on the drive anyway.
13:53 kakobrekla baj
13:53 kakobrekla bah
13:53 kakobrekla the problem of that video is that its not full enough
13:53 kakobrekla see here
13:53 kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo
13:53 assbot Will It Blend? - iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 - YouTube
13:53 kakobrekla it is DUST.
13:54 kakobrekla tell me what you gonna get out of that phone
13:54 mircea_popescu kakobrekla usable nand memories can be 1sq mm
13:54 kakobrekla pour it down the drain
13:55 kakobrekla spread the ashes by the sea
13:55 mircea_popescu well im not actually doing this at home.
13:55 kakobrekla while taking your girls for a walk
13:55 kakobrekla well how do you know its done then
13:55 ThickAsThieves aha! ive secured 1mm of mpex drive!
13:55 mircea_popescu so what, im going to ask for oceanview in my provision spec ?
13:55 ThickAsThieves youre done for
13:56 kakobrekla anyway blending and proper disposal of dust = win
13:57 asciilifeform other variant: you can get a 100mW diode laser for 100 usd or so. zap the dies right through the package.
13:58 kakobrekla harder to get blind with a blender.
13:58 mircea_popescu currently i wanna find out what the holy shit is happening tho, because this ain't normal.
13:58 asciilifeform one could even set up an array of these, in sealed box, for a given type of drive
13:58 mircea_popescu then they can just get incinerated.
13:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: still have mains power issues ?
13:58 mircea_popescu nope.
13:59 pankkake Mats_cd03: modern ssds give detailed SMART data, and have far less returns than hard drives. moreover, scrubs and rebuilds of RAIDs are much faster
13:59 asciilifeform nope as in 'installed guaranteed sinusoidal power source', eliminated the possibility even in theory ?
14:00 pankkake hard drives used to have that premium 5 year warranty, it's gone down to 3 years, while premium ssds now offer 10 years
14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope as in nothing shows up on measurements.
14:01 mircea_popescu pankkake Mats_cd03 i was on the ssds suck technologically bandwagon for many years. the past few however it's pretty much groundless.
14:01 mircea_popescu ssds matured.
14:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consider posting a firmware dump of one such drive.
14:02 jborkl mpex offline?
14:02 asciilifeform example of how to get 'shell' on a 'seagate' disk: https://sites.google.com/site/seagatefix/Home
14:02 assbot Fixing a Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drive
14:03 asciilifeform (yes - you can fuck with the os of an hdd. i hope this is a 'revelation' to no one.)
14:03 pankkake the only issue with a SSD is a security one. if you use full disk encryption, you have to consider that the "change key" operation might leave a copy of the old key in the spare area
14:04 asciilifeform pankkake: any disk crypt scheme where the key lives on disk is nuttery
14:04 asciilifeform as if spindle drives didn't swap sectors silently
14:05 pankkake I don't mean private key, I mean the metadata block. i.e. what luks does
14:05 pankkake it's awfully convenient
14:07 chetty convenient tends to = risky
14:10 Mats_cd03 so encrypt swap with a random key?
14:10 pankkake http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-6/disques-durs.html http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-7/ssd.html (stats from biggest French retailer)
14:10 assbot Disques durs - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr
14:10 assbot SSD - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr
14:10 asciilifeform know what else is 'convenient'? surrendering.
14:10 asciilifeform if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.
14:11 pankkake it just means I cannot change my key securely, and have to rewrite the data. so what?
14:11 kakobrekla dont be the party pooping deer.
14:11 chetty <asciilifeform> if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.<<+1
14:12 Mats_cd03 does LUKS even default to including metadata? iirc it was plain format
14:12 pankkake no, LUKS *is* the metadata
14:13 mircea_popescu since we're on this, http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu
14:13 assbot Researchers crack the world’s toughest encryption by listening to the tiny sounds made by your computer’s CPU | ExtremeTech
14:13 mircea_popescu mostly for the pic
14:13 asciilifeform old news
14:13 asciilifeform dissected here ~2 months ago
14:14 mircea_popescu wait, and luks isnt ?!
14:14 asciilifeform !s inductors
14:14 assbot 9 results for 'inductors' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inductors
14:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2013#425691
14:15 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
14:19 mircea_popescu Girls Around Me is a simple app that takes your location, and then queries Foursquare and Facebook’s location APIs to find any girls (or boys) that are geographically close. You’re then shown a map, powered by Google, with faces (pulled from Facebook profiles) pinned to it.
14:19 mircea_popescu !up colinistheman
14:19 mircea_popescu i can't believe THAT didn't sell for 20bn
14:19 asciilifeform 'girls around me' << ancient scandal. as i recall, it was censored.
14:20 colinistheman Hi guys
14:20 mircea_popescu "whores around me" would prolly work even better.
14:20 colinistheman Thought I'd drop back in mircea
14:21 mircea_popescu colinistheman wb. so, mind getting in the wot so i can get bb his knife ?
14:21 asciilifeform 'whores around me' << if 'uber taxi', why not this.
14:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually... taxi callgirl!
14:21 asciilifeform aye.
14:22 colinistheman What do I do exactly?
14:22 mircea_popescu "send me three at 48th and 9th." " with girls or without ?" "umm bob... your gf coming ? uhh... ok, two with one without please"
14:22 colinistheman I added 15 new knives today. They are at the bottom of the page when it's set to "unsorted"
14:22 mircea_popescu colinistheman http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
14:22 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just as people who never considered becoming cabbies are now whoring in 'uber', 'whores around me' would probably work the same magic in its own field.
14:24 asciilifeform and, naturally, such an app could only work in btc
14:24 mircea_popescu naturally.
14:24 mircea_popescu i guess we gotta build our own phone.
14:24 asciilifeform why does everything have to run on a pNohe ?
14:25 colinistheman this series of instructions is a little overwhelming
14:25 colinistheman i've never used a GPG key before
14:26 jurov colinistheman you can start with btc addy
14:26 colinistheman that sounds easier
14:26 colinistheman you mean, instead of a key?
14:26 jurov but gpg is basic education around here
14:26 colinistheman I'll probably have to learn it at some point
14:26 mircea_popescu indeed.
14:27 jurov yes btc addy has privkey and can sign things
14:27 Mats_cd03 ;;tslb
14:27 mircea_popescu btc is like, yu know, the car. it doesn't exist out of a vacuum. if yu want to be a decen mechanic, and even to be a good driver
14:27 gribble Time since last block: 8 minutes and 22 seconds ago
14:27 mircea_popescu you'll have to know about things a little under the hood, like encryption
14:28 chetty well at least learn to change a tire before you get behind the wheel
14:29 colinistheman ;;eregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS
14:29 gribble Error: '1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
14:29 colinistheman oh, I thought you said I could use my public key
14:29 colinistheman *bitcoin key
14:30 mike_c ;;bcregister
14:30 gribble (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
14:30 mircea_popescu i wonder why this is a common mistake
14:30 colinistheman ;;bcregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS
14:30 gribble Request successful for user colinistheman, hostmask colinistheman!~colinisth@unaffiliated/colinistheman. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
14:30 colinistheman it's in the instructions, but the instructions do not show the command ;;bcregister
14:31 mircea_popescu http://www.propublica.org/images/ngen/gypsy_big_image/gt_fort_meade_630x420_130830.jpg << one wonders, why the fuck not just make a garage already.
14:31 mircea_popescu ah i see
14:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik - world's largest parking lot.
14:32 jurov cuz all underground levels got claimed?
14:33 asciilifeform underground parking is only built when land costs something
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform land costs a lot.
14:33 asciilifeform not to usg
14:33 mircea_popescu i can probably identify employees by the age old "distance to gate" metric
14:33 mircea_popescu it's hierarchical after al.
14:33 mircea_popescu i can probably use the satellite pics to uncover the entire lift of employees.
14:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even easier. most u.s. military installations have named (!) parking spots for the brass
14:34 mircea_popescu for that matter, i probably already have.
14:34 asciilifeform 'this spot belongs to Col. Smith'
14:34 mircea_popescu so yes, it costs a shitton
14:34 mircea_popescu anyway, in sum, if i were co there i'd fire myself over this pic.
14:35 colinistheman ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a]
14:35 gribble Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a" is not a valid command.
14:35 mircea_popescu no []
14:35 colinistheman ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
14:35 gribble Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found.
14:35 mircea_popescu bcverify
14:35 colinistheman ;;bcverify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a
14:35 gribble Error: Authentication failed. Please try again.
14:35 colinistheman I am honestly confused as to what I am doing right now
14:35 mircea_popescu me too. wtf that failed ?!
14:35 jurov this doesn't look like btc signature
14:35 colinistheman it says error
14:36 mircea_popescu oh.
14:36 mircea_popescu colinistheman you gotta encrypt it
14:36 colinistheman ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later
14:36 jurov didn't you just publish your privkey?
14:36 mircea_popescu jurov looks like the challenge string
14:36 asciilifeform lol
14:36 colinistheman no private key
14:37 jurov ic
14:37 colinistheman ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later
14:37 asciilifeform incidentally, someone (with coin to spare) should do this experiment.
14:37 asciilifeform throw a 1 btc privkey somewhere, count how long until snarfed
14:38 colinistheman I am wondering if this will be worth my time
14:38 rithm nope.
14:38 colinistheman lol
14:38 jurov colinistheman: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication
14:38 assbot Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
14:38 mircea_popescu colinistheman this is pretty much the only thing you could be doing that's worth your time.
14:39 colinistheman It's over my head sorry. I am a busy man
14:39 rithm shhhh mircea_popescu don't lie to the guy
14:39 mircea_popescu you know what the vietnamese fisherman working for two rice patties a day said ?
14:39 rithm nuh uh
14:40 mircea_popescu that he's a busy man.
14:40 * rithm facedesks
14:40 colinistheman luckily i sell knives instead of rice
14:40 colinistheman higher profit margin
14:40 mircea_popescu rithm hey, you were asking for it.
14:40 colinistheman and automated sales coming in is great
14:40 fluffypony colinistheman: pity you sell shitty knives
14:40 colinistheman why the mean?
14:40 FabianB $traded
14:40 fluffypony no Fallkniven, no Benchmade
14:40 rithm colinistheman but sderiously registering an identity is super important
14:41 rithm no one will take you seriously
14:41 fluffypony just the normal crap that Americans buy because they read it was good on /r/survival
14:41 colinistheman http://knives4bitcoin.com/products/german_damascus_vg-10_knife,_speed_assisted_ao_large_folding_knives_pocket_g-10.php
14:41 assbot Knives4Bitcoin.com - German Damascus VG-10 Knife, Speed Assisted A/O Large Folding Knives Pocket G-10
14:41 rithm until you give gribble a handjob
14:41 colinistheman fluffypony: That one is a nice knife
14:41 colinistheman handmade 200 layers of damascus steel
14:41 mircea_popescu i thought damascus steel was a lost recipe
14:41 fluffypony colinistheman: anything with Damascus steel is fun, but that doesn't mean it has a movement that will withstand abuse
14:42 colinistheman I have a limited number of them.
14:42 rithm oh so spam is the game
14:42 rithm i see now
14:42 colinistheman any steel can be abused. obviously you have to know how to take care of your knife.
14:42 colinistheman such as oiling it
14:42 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes - the original method is no longer known, but the modern equivalent is still pretty awesome in terms of how it keeps its edge
14:43 colinistheman it's also made with high carbon steel so it holds the edge better for that reason as well
14:43 mircea_popescu isn't high carbon bad ?
14:43 mircea_popescu as in, pig iron ?
14:44 colinistheman 1095hc is a good steel. you have to keep it oiled tho
14:44 colinistheman holds an edge better than 440 stainless
14:44 rithm but rusts
14:44 colinistheman yes, as does all high carbon steel
14:44 colinistheman that's the trade off
14:44 colinistheman but oiling it after use keeps it good
14:44 colinistheman liek i said yhou have to know how to care for it
14:45 rithm what about leaving fresh blood on the blade?
14:45 rithm is that a lubricant or oxidizing agent?
14:45 colinistheman lol
14:45 colinistheman oxidizing
14:45 rithm i wasn't sure thanks!
14:45 colinistheman ok :)
14:45 Mats_cd03 lol
14:45 colinistheman yeah, blood, guts, water, all bad for knives
14:45 colinistheman but its ok to use them as long as you clean them up
14:46 mircea_popescu josh's blood is prolly a derperizing agent.
14:47 rithm stop joshing around
14:47 mircea_popescu a ok
14:47 fluffypony heh
14:48 mircea_popescu http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/ << check out what our friend came up with
14:48 assbot Speculative Attack | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
14:48 mircea_popescu a new name for gresham's law.
14:48 mircea_popescu !up CryptOprah
14:49 mircea_popescu anyway, this part's goo :
14:49 mircea_popescu Second, they misunderstand how strong currencies like bitcoin overtake weak currencies like the dollar: it is through speculative attacks and currency crises caused by investors, not through the careful evaluation of tech journalists and 'mainstream consumers'.
14:50 colinistheman if I feel adventurous in setting up all this stuff later I'll be back. g'day!
14:50 rithm ya''l scared him away
14:50 mircea_popescu i like how people keep pretending like they got an option and whatnot.
14:51 mircea_popescu nothing quite like the illusion of immediate control.
14:55 mircea_popescu anyway, all our friend needs to do now is look up to see who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar and he'll be like i dunno... five steps ahead of the crowd ?
14:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar << 'a dead lion can be kicked even by a donkey'
14:58 mircea_popescu how about a desperate, moribund lion ?
14:58 asciilifeform that one will slam into walls often. less work for donkey.
15:00 punkman http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/9/5883651/texas-lawyer-sues-tor-for-providing-tools-used-by-revenge-porn-site
15:00 assbot Texas lawyer sues Tor for providing tools used by revenge porn site | The Verge
15:02 mircea_popescu lol "sues tor"
15:02 mircea_popescu ima fall over myself laughing if the us navy ends up paying this guy
15:03 asciilifeform lawyers can also have problems.
15:03 punkman hilarious lawyer: https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/233081133?access_key=key-WFujAqEI3BioFxNO43R3
15:04 mircea_popescu he's suing an actual party it seems
15:10 punkman https://twitter.com/MeanTXLawyer/status/459698519771582464
15:10 assbot So many places I wish I could be now. Buddy's bachelor party. NRA annual meeting. AmRen conference. But alas, low on funds :(
15:11 mircea_popescu don't worry assbot. you're here with us and that's ass that matters.
15:13 punkman http://revengepornwar.blogspot.com/ another genius here
15:13 assbot Dispatches from the Revenge Pornography War
15:13 benkay <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this is a common mistake // it turns out that making interfaces that normal humans find intuitive is actually hard.
15:14 mircea_popescu in this case the problem seems to be that ;;bc stuff is never mentioned explicitly.
15:14 mircea_popescu was about to bitch about it, but then i realised there's wisdom in moiety's terseness.
15:14 benkay interface is education
15:14 mircea_popescu let the lazy have extra chances to self humiliation, it's a good selection exercise.
15:14 benkay and seriously - use gpg.
15:15 benkay it's not like your .gnupg dir will expire, unlike your wallet backups.
15:15 mircea_popescu punkman the notion that anyone still cares...
15:15 mircea_popescu benkay but some are busy people.
15:16 benkay 160 hours a week in the paddy
15:16 chetty something very wrong when you are too busy to stretch your mind
15:17 rithm http://hyperledger.com/faqs.html#hackednode
15:17 rithm oooh hyper-ledger
15:17 mircea_popescu "If a node gets hacked there are only a few ways it can impact the system, but it can’t force good nodes to accept forged transfers. Generally, individual bad nodes will quickly be automatically identified and expelled from the consensus pool."
15:17 mircea_popescu that made a lot of sense.
15:18 rithm dude it's cooler than bitcoin it's hyper
15:18 rithm and it's a ledger
15:18 rithm no 51%!!!!!
15:19 mircea_popescu "Bobynin's voice rang like metal on metal. 'I can see the difference between you and me: you need me, but I don't need you.'"
15:19 rithm What if there are two ledgers with the same name in different pools?
15:19 rithm This is an open question up for discussion
15:19 rithm lololol
15:20 mircea_popescu hahah
15:20 mircea_popescu better reg that name.
15:21 rithm hyperbank
15:21 rithm hypercash
15:21 rithm hyperdollars
15:22 mircea_popescu begging for hyperherp
15:22 rithm discuss: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/486926129409052672
15:22 assbot I can no longer have even the smallest association with the Bitcoin Foundation, because of the complete lack of transparency
15:23 fluffypony hah
15:23 fluffypony it took him this long to realise that?
15:23 Mats_cd03 so brave
15:24 mircea_popescu you see what a good killing does to people ?
15:24 mircea_popescu can he stil have association with neobee ? anyone asked him yet ?
15:25 rithm can i ask for a refund for my bitcoin foundation donation
15:25 rithm i'd like to take that back
15:26 rithm i'm an enabler
15:26 kakobrekla donation implies onewaynesses
15:26 mircea_popescu rithm lots of dumb things you can't take back. way the world goes.
15:27 rithm superman did it that one time
15:27 benkay that entropic gradient...
15:28 mircea_popescu did he spin on a dildo really fast ?
15:29 asciilifeform 'You ever drop an egg and on the floor you see it break? / You go and get a mop so you can clean up your mistake. / But did you ever stop to ponder why we know it's true, / if you drop a broken egg you will not get an egg that's new. / That's entropy...'
15:30 mircea_popescu also known in romanian as "copilu' minune minca gem si caca prune"
15:30 mircea_popescu ie, the wunderkid, eatin' jam an' shittin' prunes.
15:36 nubbins` heh
15:36 nubbins` drinking wine and pissing grape juice
15:37 HyperChetty http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound-in-Zichron-Yaakov-120-km-north-of-Gaza-362087
15:37 assbot Hamas: We attempted to hit the nuclear reactor in Dimona | JPost | Israel News
15:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0372999 = 0.5968 BTC [+]
15:38 mircea_popescu i wonder what these people think hitting a nuclear plant will do.
15:38 mircea_popescu i mean unless they've got actual bunker busters they're no treaching the core. so...
15:38 asciilifeform see french example
15:38 asciilifeform (answer: nothing)
15:39 asciilifeform http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/20/world/antitank-rockets-are-fired-at-french-nuclear-reactor.html
15:39 assbot ANTITANK ROCKETS ARE FIRED AT FRENCH NUCLEAR REACTOR - NYTimes.com
15:40 asciilifeform still a headache for the folks who have to walk around with clipboard, check off what needs new paint job
15:40 nubbins` more of a make-work project than an attack
15:40 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:43 fluffypony ;;later tell darlidada everything seems to be working 100%, need your email address to create the user account for you - let me know
15:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:43 nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot cazalla
15:43 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe73:590b. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
15:44 Mats_cd03 iron dome paying dividends; thanks uncle sam
15:44 nubbins` so i printed some nice big 18x24" posters today
15:45 nubbins` http://imgur.com/GGg3JC2
15:45 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
15:45 mircea_popescu who's jess smith
15:46 nubbins` one third of Pink Eye :D
15:46 Mats_cd03 im sure hamas'd have better luck pointing rockets at power stations
15:46 mircea_popescu how anti-french of you three.
15:46 Mats_cd03 whoevers running the show, sucks
15:46 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 o bviously they're going for pr.
15:46 nubbins` http://theovercast.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PinkEye.jpg
15:47 nubbins` almost looks like we know what we're doing
15:48 mircea_popescu woa dude you look old. i always saw you as this peter pan sorta 22 yo
15:48 nubbins` lel
15:48 nubbins` nah, old man
15:49 nubbins` in fact, that french rocket attack article was published 10 days before i was born ;o
15:51 asciilifeform 'In France protesters fired an RPG-7 grenade-launcher at the reactor of a nuclear power station. Where they got the Soviet-made weapon I do not know. Perhaps it was just lying there at the roadside. But if it was a spetsnaz officer who had the good fortune to meet those people and provide them with their hardware, he would without further ado have been given a Red Banner medal and promotion. The senior officers
15:51 asciilifeform of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.'
15:51 asciilifeform (suvorov, 'spetsnaz.' http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html)
15:51 assbot --
15:52 nubbins` interesting
15:53 mircea_popescu d'oh.
15:53 nubbins` alf, i bet you've got quite the collection of books in your study
15:53 asciilifeform who doesn;t
15:53 nubbins` many
15:53 Mats_cd03 related, http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/05/qa-what-you-need-to-know-about-attacks-on-the-u-s-power-grid/
15:53 assbot Q&A: What You Need to Know About Attacks on the U.S. Power Grid - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ
15:54 asciilifeform 'what you need to know' - 'nothing.' (usg)
15:54 nubbins` "We need to make books cool again. If you go home with somebody and they don't have books, don't fuck them." -John Waters
15:54 Mats_cd03 tl;dr cooling room filled with bullets, station subsequently fails to cool, suspects utilize AKs and cover of darkness to circumvent shit security
15:55 asciilifeform phun phact re: substations. the transformers are quite expensive, not many are manufactured.
15:56 nubbins` right, isn't this the reason a solar flare or w/e could fuck us all royally?
15:57 asciilifeform copper thieves have destroyed considerably more mains transformers in usa than saboteurs with kalash, but the news blackout regarding these is nearly total.
15:57 mircea_popescu nubbins` i much prefer clueless-ignorant women to misguided-ignorant women.
15:57 mircea_popescu someone with no books i'd fuck. someone with a shitton of "social studies" and assorted crap published the past century i definitely wouldn't
15:58 mircea_popescu but i'd count it as a major personal failure if i somehow ended up going home with them in the first place.
15:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not newsworthy.
15:59 mircea_popescu in other news, http://news360.com/article/247244651
15:59 assbot GMO Mosquito Trial Has Reverse Effect, Causes Dengue Emergency
16:02 nubbins` friend of mine had dengue, no fun
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16:20 benkay we were noodling on the homegrown EMP this morning.
16:27 Mats_cd03 ;;tslb
16:27 gribble Time since last block: 8 minutes and 41 seconds
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17:03 asciilifeform !up indiancandy1
17:05 indiancandy1 hey friends
17:06 asciilifeform greetings human.
17:10 benkay shalom
17:11 indiancandy1 shalom aint heard that word in years
17:11 indiancandy1 you jewish?
17:11 indiancandy1 jambo
17:13 benkay ;;ud jambo
17:13 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jambo | 99% of washing line crime convictions in 2013 were held accountable to 'jambo's' or the 'scumbos' as they have become better known. They mostly inhabit a ...
17:14 benkay funny how gribble's not returning the website's #1 result for that.
17:17 benkay http://online.wsj.com/articles/fed-sets-october-end-for-bond-buying-1404928864 // i thought the bond purchases were still in full force?
17:17 assbot Fed Sets October End for Bond Buying - WSJ
17:18 mircea_popescu o this should be interesting.
17:19 mike_c sort of end. they are still going to buy bonds with interest on their existing bonds.
17:19 mircea_popescu there's no practical difference between these.
17:21 mircea_popescu what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn
17:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ua, who else.
17:27 mircea_popescu naa
17:28 mircea_popescu it should have been sa if they weren't such annoying shitheads forcing the best country in thr world to rely on their 2nd pedo choice.
17:29 mircea_popescu hk would have also been great, except... problems. maybe it can be arranged for japan ?
17:32 HyperChetty <mircea_popescu> what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn//the caliphate
17:33 mircea_popescu with the saudis money, if they get that far ? perhaps.
17:33 mircea_popescu !up ak_
17:33 asciilifeform HyperChetty: insha'allah.
17:34 asciilifeform !up indiancandy1
17:34 mircea_popescu sooo... was the netherlands winning or what ?
17:35 indiancandy1 omg
17:35 indiancandy1 im on mfc and this guy just shot his load in his own mouth
17:35 indiancandy1 impresive
17:35 indiancandy1 hey friendsjambo is hello in swahilli btw
17:35 HyperChetty world cup 0-0 so far
17:35 mod6 mircea_popescu: it's tied nil-nil, @ 75 min
17:36 mircea_popescu mod6 near miss a minute ago ?
17:36 HyperChetty maybe I heard some shouts
17:36 mircea_popescu indiancandy1 i thought you didn't do cams ?
17:37 mod6 didn't see, just caught score.
17:38 mircea_popescu This man, whom Stalin had trusted, was Adolf Hitler.
17:38 mircea_popescu Stalin had looked on with approval and malicious delight as Hitler had overrun Poland, France and Belgium, as his bombers had darkened the sky over England. Molotov had come back from Berlin thoroughly frightened; agents reported that Hitler was transferring his forces eastward; Hess flew to England, and Churchill had warned Stalin of an attack. Every jackdaw in the woods of Byelorussia and on the poplars of Galicia h
17:38 mircea_popescu ad shrieked war. Every peasant woman in every market-place in Russia had prophesied war day in and day out. Only Stalin had remained unperturbed.
17:38 mircea_popescu He had trusted Hitler...
17:38 mircea_popescu o wow, so i'm not the only guy to have noticed stalin's boyish infatuation with hitler ?!
17:38 mircea_popescu til.
17:38 indiancandy1 i do
17:38 indiancandy1 i do cam i just do toys
17:38 asciilifeform suvorov (given name rezun) certainly noticed.
17:38 indiancandy1 find me
17:38 indiancandy1 xsexyindianx
17:41 mircea_popescu do you use a burka or something ?
17:44 indiancandy1 a burka?
17:44 indiancandy1 im not muslom
17:47 Mats_cd03 lol
17:47 mod6 how about sharpies?
17:49 HyperChetty muslim porn, whats that? ankles?
17:49 indiancandy1 ahaha
17:49 indiancandy1 i have a pic on my phone i wish i culd show u its a girl taing a selfie
17:50 indiancandy1 with a burka but the reflection of the mirror shes got a g string on
17:51 mircea_popescu ;;google girl selfie burka mirror g string
17:51 gribble Top 10 Jeremy Clarkson gaffes - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8928665/Top-10-Jeremy-Clarkson-gaffes.html>; What it really feels like to wear the 'burqa' | Mail Online - Daily Mail: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410376/What-really-feels-like-wear-burqa.html>; Hundreds of burqa-clad Afghan women in rare protest against ...: (1 more message)
17:58 mod6 mircea_popescu: on the near miss, it sounds like someone kicked it into the side of the net around the 75 mark.
18:01 mod6 30 minutes of extra time now, if still scoreless, i guess they go to penalty kicks
18:02 Mats_cd03 i wish it was unarmed single combat
18:03 mod6 to break the tie? i agree, penalty kicks are a shitty way to end a game.
18:05 thestringpuller !up indiancandy1
18:08 indiancandy1 whats the score
18:11 mod6 nil - nil
18:13 benkay "U.S. stocks rebounded after a two-day slide, as the Federal Reserve's meeting minutes soothed concerns over a potential increase in interest rates.
18:13 benkay "
18:14 benkay how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates?
18:17 indiancandy1 ;;google satanic lesbians
18:17 gribble Christian radio host: Disney's 'Frozen' is Satanic tool for ...: <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/10/christian-radio-host-disneys-frozen-is-satanic-tool-for-indoctrinating-young-lesbians/>; Gay and Satanist - In praise of Satan: <http://inpraiseofsatan.webs.com/gayandsatanist.htm>; When Satanic Lesbians, Lying Mothers, Love Triangles, Ex-Gays ...: <http://www.autostraddle.com (1 more message)
18:19 thestringpuller ;;bc,stats
18:19 gribble Current Blocks: 309995 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 468 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17093222021.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.63368
18:20 thestringpuller here comes the hash power
18:30 ThickAsThieves benkay i'm pretty sure i just read an article that said the opposite of what you just pasted
18:32 ThickAsThieves the more i read financial news, the less i believe it
18:32 ThickAsThieves assuming the opposite is probly at least slightly closer to reality
18:36 mod6 extra time is over, penalty kick time
18:46 mod6 Argentina wins by pk's
18:46 mircea_popescu o look at that lol
18:46 mircea_popescu methinks im gonna go out in a bit and check out teh nuttery.
18:46 mod6 :D
18:48 mircea_popescu <benkay> how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates? << iwannabelieve.jpg
18:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 155 @ 0.03452288 = 5.351 BTC [-] {13}
18:56 asciilifeform phun phact re: 'languages of the day' - http://effbot.org/pyfaq/why-isn-t-there-a-switch-or-case-statement-in-python.htm
18:56 assbot Why isn't there a switch or case statement in Python?
18:57 asciilifeform (answer: because derp)
19:05 mike_c http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3103/
19:05 assbot PEP 3103 -- A Switch/Case Statement
19:05 mike_c the real answer is worse: "A quick poll during my keynote presentation at PyCon 2007 shows this proposal has no popular support. I therefore reject it."
19:06 mike_c that's a herp and a derp.
19:06 asciilifeform language with no macros, where chump can't fix this omission himself: herp, derp, and... zerp ?
19:06 asciilifeform (what comes after derp...?)
19:07 cazalla indiancandy1: can you put the keyboard on your head?
19:07 mike_c i don't mind no macros, and i'm surprised you like them. macros are the death of readability.
19:07 asciilifeform c macros.
19:07 mike_c there are better ones?
19:08 asciilifeform http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispMacro
19:08 assbot Lisp Macro
19:08 asciilifeform proper macros make a language cleanly user-definable
19:08 asciilifeform eliminating 'language feature' derp-conventions
19:09 mike_c interesting.
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19:38 justusranvier mircea_popescu: When did you stop having a Twitter account?
19:39 justusranvier https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/326400019257257985
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21:12 assbot nam-shub +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
21:14 benkay !up nam-shub
21:14 benkay hey there
21:14 nam-shub thanks benkay, just looking to see if mp and mpex.co split or just mpex.co
21:14 benkay split?
21:14 benkay apparently mpex went down today
21:14 nam-shub as in hasta luego
21:15 nam-shub suckas
21:15 benkay ah yeah i think mp's out
21:15 benkay mircea_popescu: ping
21:15 benkay ;;gettrust nam-shub
21:15 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159. Trust relationship from user benkay to user nam-shub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=nam-shub | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nam-shub | Rated since: never
21:15 benkay well sheeeeit and who are you?
21:15 benkay feel free to castigate me for noobery if that's appropriate
21:16 nam-shub New name, for a new secret project
21:17 nubbins` fun
21:18 mike_c once a year the mpex raid array goes on summer vacation.
21:19 nam-shub gettrust bloctoc
21:19 mike_c ah, more fuel for BingoBoingo's summer heat theory.
21:20 nam-shub ;;gettrust bloctoc
21:20 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user bloctoc to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bloctoc&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
21:20 mike_c ;;ident nam-shub
21:20 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'nam-shub', with hostmask 'nam-shub!~nam-shub@67.174.198.159', is identified as user 'bloctoc', with GPG key id ABFF7572BA373348, key fingerprint 2DD75790350D7D689339038DABFF7572BA373348, and bitcoin address None
21:24 mircea_popescu benkay sup
21:26 mircea_popescu justusranvier i guess that's a point, i should wipe trilema twitter links huh
21:27 mircea_popescu mthreat just been for a spin around 9 de julio. not *that* crazy
21:27 mircea_popescu nam-shub http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750994
21:27 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
21:28 mthreat mircea_popescu: i watched the game at the big screen at plaza san martin... it was crazy
21:28 justusranvier mircea_popescu: you need to at least repost your "Coinpeople bitplease..." rant somewhere else so I can link to it when appropriate.
21:28 mircea_popescu mthreat a, the luxurios life of the rich.
21:28 mthreat if they somehow beat ze germans, it'll be crazy for 24 hours
21:28 justusranvier That's one of my favorite tweets ever.
21:28 mircea_popescu i've been mostly conferincing lol. gotta earn a living.
21:29 mthreat mircea_popescu: it was free
21:29 mircea_popescu mthreat you got your time :D
21:29 mthreat mircea_popescu: futbol para todos
21:29 nam-shub thanks for that mircea_popescu
21:29 mircea_popescu justusranvier i think i have atwitter dumpo somewhere
21:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because no one else asked, i will. what did herr xapo say when you added him to s.derp ?
21:30 mircea_popescu if he said anything it'll be in tomorrow's summaries. i've only been talking to techs and spooks today
21:30 benkay who is mfoundry?
21:31 nam-shub bought by FIS global
21:31 benkay o o
21:31 nam-shub lots of fluorescent lighting
21:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: techs and spooks << anybody dump the hdd firmware ?
21:31 benkay it's just a ruse to convince us that mp isn't an nsa plant
21:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.03079906 = 0.924 BTC [-]
21:31 mircea_popescu wait wut
21:32 benkay ;;rate rye 3 responsible, efficient, honorable.
21:32 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rye has changed from 2 to 3.
21:32 benkay friendly fud
21:32 mircea_popescu rye ?!
21:32 mircea_popescu is this some ellaborate whiskey joke ?
21:33 benkay mircea_popescu: you are the best candidate for the Frank Costello of bitcoin.
21:33 benkay no man
21:33 benkay he works for me
21:33 mircea_popescu wait, was costello the stupid one ?
21:33 benkay costello was the rat.
21:34 benkay the one who survived by ratting out the competition for 20 years.
21:34 benkay rye's doing the haich tee em ells and jay-esses on http://console.smartvineyards.net
21:34 assbot Smart Vineyards
21:34 mircea_popescu wasn't he the PM ?
21:35 benkay prime minister?
21:35 TheNewDeal demo not loading :(
21:35 benkay turn on js.
21:35 benkay also, chrome.
21:36 mircea_popescu justusranvier http://www.datafilehost.com/d/635199a2 is a full twitter dump from late march, if you care.
21:36 assbot Download tweets.zip
21:36 justusranvier thanks
21:36 benkay lol 5.4 mb of tweets
21:37 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Frank_Costello_-_Kefauver_Committee.jpg << not bad.
21:37 mircea_popescu benkay it may have exscaped your notice, but im verbose.
21:38 TheNewDeal I am using chrome, JS hasn't been turned off
21:39 benkay fascinating. privacy/adblocking?
21:40 TheNewDeal not running any of that stuff
21:40 TheNewDeal errr
21:40 TheNewDeal kaspersky 10
21:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.03079906 = 0.616 BTC [-]
21:41 TheNewDeal seems like kaspersky isn't doing anything to restrict web
21:42 TheNewDeal I have had trouble seeing bitcoincharts charts in chrome though, so might be my pc
21:42 mircea_popescu btw, the song of the street here is " Brasil, decime qué se siente, tener en casa tu papa"
21:44 benkay TheNewDeal: anything interesting in the console?
21:44 TheNewDeal worked this time
21:45 benkay hahaha
21:45 benkay k, great.
21:45 benkay worst part about js app development is the "try refreshing?" debugging method.
21:45 benkay all this nasty state buried in the browser
21:46 TheNewDeal try refreshing is better than "Have you tried turning it on an off again?"
21:46 benkay it's the 2014 version of above
21:55 benkay hey is blockr -assets blessed these days?
21:55 benkay and on the converse, has blockchain.info lost its?
22:04 decimation mircea re: US oil reserves: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-oil-20140521-story.html
22:04 assbot U.S. officials cut estimate of recoverable Monterey Shale oil by 96% - Los Angeles Times
22:04 decimation I'm sure that they used the power of science to err by 96%
22:05 mircea_popescu mineral reserves are always iffy business.
22:05 mthreat mircea_popescu: no chaos? here's the crowd on a city bus (and the bus didn't stop) - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152582727778245
22:06 mircea_popescu my flash is not good enough, but anyway. mebbe we mean different things by chaos.
22:06 TheNewDeal and wti jumps nada
22:06 mircea_popescu buncha people out singing. not like they burned a car or anything.
22:07 mthreat well there's good chaos and bad chaos
22:07 mircea_popescu :p
22:07 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal wti is not shale.
22:07 decimation 1970's era schematic CAD machine: http://vimeo.com/75532300 - uses various light masks to etch photoresist film, which is then developed and printed
22:07 assbot The Diagrammer by Mergenthaler - 1970 on Vimeo
22:07 TheNewDeal could west texas intermediate be a derivative of shale oil?
22:08 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal nah. and besides, it's been going crazy with respect to both brent and the middle east sorts.
22:09 mircea_popescu wider spreads past coupla years than ever seen.
22:09 TheNewDeal isn't there a relatively large premium of brent vs wti lately/
22:10 mircea_popescu yes.
22:10 TheNewDeal gotcha
22:10 mircea_popescu los_pantalones http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80262994/ << that's a good one.
22:10 assbot LA Times
22:10 decimation I wonder if this has to do with the oil distribution infrastructure in the us
22:12 mircea_popescu decimation if it does, it hadn't for 30 years or so prior.
22:14 decimation yeah, but the us hasn't been close to an oil exporter for that period
22:14 decimation it will take years to build the pipelines to the areas that need them, and it will be even more years of political stalemate preventing the investment
22:15 mircea_popescu what do you mean ? both canada and mexico have been exporting ?
22:15 decimation e.g. http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/08/6541363/crude-oil-train-protests-planned.html
22:15 assbot Crude oil train protests planned in Sacramento, Davis - Our Region - The Sacramento Bee
22:16 decimation http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html
22:16 assbot U.S. Was Net Oil-Product Exporter for First Time Since 1949 - Bloomberg
22:18 mircea_popescu jesus the economy is doing that bad ?
22:18 mircea_popescu i guess 2 a gallon was unsustainable after all.
22:18 decimation and the "people" think they have the luxury to protest oil moving through their town
22:19 mircea_popescu sure they do.
22:20 mircea_popescu “The reason we can export so much is demand in the U.S. is weak,” Cohan said. Since 2005, the U.S. has lost nearly 2 million barrels a day of total product consumption, he said.
22:20 mircea_popescu ouch.
22:21 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2 * 4 * 365
22:21 gribble 2920
22:21 mircea_popescu what's three billion.
22:22 decimation it seems to me that if oil is so cheap, it should be burned for power, but I suspect USG has banned that too (to do it cheaply)
22:22 decimation http://necoalition.org/necn-board-calls-moratorium-oil-trains/
22:22 assbot NECN Board calls for moratorium on oil trains - Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods
22:24 mircea_popescu you have any idea how dirty crude burns ?
22:24 TheNewDeal not sure, but it tastes to light and sweet
22:25 decimation yeah, that's why ships are so nasty
22:25 mircea_popescu ships mostly burn diesel.
22:25 decimation I suspect if you tried to build a new refinery to burn it more cleanly they would protest that too
22:27 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel
22:27 assbot Fuel oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:27 decimation The most common residual fuels in the shipping industry are RMG and RMK.[4] ,,, Ships with more advanced engines can process heavier, more viscous, and thus cheaper, fuel.
22:28 mircea_popescu note that 1-4 are distilates.
22:28 decimation yeah, it's probably the shit that comes out the bottom of the refinery stack
22:29 mircea_popescu pretty much
22:29 mircea_popescu but anyway, ships are burning more and more diesel because of sulphur limitations
22:29 mircea_popescu afaik by 2015 they'll burn nothing but.
22:30 decimation if there is enough refinery capacity to make it
22:30 decimation the same environmentalists would gladly shut down a gas plant "because environment" and thus force the old coal plant to burn
22:30 mircea_popescu well no, not the same.
22:31 decimation that's true, in the end it's entitled nimbys who think they can tell others what to do on their own land
22:33 mircea_popescu neighbourhood 1 gets together to "do something for environment", blows up all the leaves with leafblowers. N2 pledges to stop eating beef so as to help reduce cowfart methane production. the importers normaly supplying them suffer a shock, a bunch of meat is discarded.
22:33 decimation which is also the government's fault, because the land-use regulation in the US has effectively short-circuited the nuisance tort process
22:33 mircea_popescu n3 is a small consumer with a large gas plant. they picket it and it's closed. large industry down the road needs power so even further coal plant is brough back online.
22:33 mircea_popescu the result of idiots being politically involved.
22:34 decimation exactly so
22:34 mircea_popescu this has been known since forever as the noble lie. ie, most people have no fucking business giving their opinion in the forum.
22:35 decimation a much more rational system would be this: your neighbor opens coal plant, pays you damages for blighting your skies, business is taken care of
22:35 mircea_popescu they may mean well and act honorably, but they're fucking peas in the field. no way to know enough to form a meaningful opinion.
22:35 mircea_popescu decimation there's no practical way to evaluate blighted skies. and the chinese don't wan to pay mongolia or w/e
22:35 decimation but in the us, remote third parties suddenly have standing to tell you how to run your business
22:36 decimation right, it's a subjective problem negotiated between rational property owners
22:36 decimation in the us you don't have property owners or rationality
22:37 mircea_popescu it's not really negotiable.
22:38 mircea_popescu as i generally tell my neighbours that listed to the music too loud, "either turn it off or i'm going to kill you".
22:38 mircea_popescu and as i tell my neighbours that complain about my music, "either get lost or i'm going to kill you"
22:39 decimation lol well there's a certain level of tolerance required to have civilization
22:40 mircea_popescu but the point is this is not negotiable.
22:40 mircea_popescu the op has nothing to offer.
22:40 mircea_popescu negotiation is, "i'll give you this silver for that pear"
22:40 mircea_popescu if you don't like it you keep your pear and i keep my silver.
22:42 decimation I guess this is where you go to the King and plead your case
22:42 mircea_popescu see ?
22:42 mircea_popescu there's no way to resolve the silence dispute without recourse to violence.
22:43 mike_c you could pay them. you want silence, they want money.
22:44 mircea_popescu mike_c suppose you're in a restaurant with a chick you're trying to impress.
22:44 decimation it seems to me that the general self-restraint of the population is important here
22:44 mircea_popescu lemon band is playing awfully badly, so you pay them 20 mn to stfu
22:44 mircea_popescu xapo opens two feet away.
22:44 mircea_popescu trust me. you can't do it without violence.
22:45 mircea_popescu decimation that "self restraint" is your circular way of begging violence
22:45 mircea_popescu "i don't have to beat them personaly but merely remind them of how their parents beat them"
22:45 mircea_popescu well... what if their parents didn't ? what if it's the united states of chimpanzees ?
22:45 decimation yeah I think Carlyle would agree with you: "Deduct what they carried with them from England ready-made, -- their common English Language and that same Constitution, or rather elixir of constitutions, their inveterate and now, as it were inborn, reverence for the Constable's Staff; two quite immense attainments which England had to spend much blood, and valiant sweat of brow and brain, for centuries long in achieving; -- and what new
22:45 decimation elements of polity or nationhood, what noble new phasis of human arrangement, or social device worthy of Prometheus or of Epimetheus, yet comes to light in America? "
22:46 mircea_popescu decimation moreover, the market is provedly awful at allocating silence. london was nothing but a gray mist for most of modernity.
22:47 mircea_popescu generally as cixi aptyl observed, capitalism is fucking loud.
22:48 decimation yeah I don't see any way out of the problem other than having a king/judge make subjective decisions backed up with the threat of violence
22:49 justusranvier https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/487065835681234946
22:49 mircea_popescu so you know... for all the conservative displeasure with the global government...
22:50 mircea_popescu justusranvier lmao awww, and i didn't even get to sell any d.cbse
22:51 decimation we already have global government, it seems to me. my objection to it is its horrible cost/benefit ratio - the problem mostly being the ungovernable masses
22:52 mircea_popescu well because it's trying to solve problems that it has no business being involved in.
22:52 mircea_popescu but mind that the eu was quite successful while it limited itself to imposing things like the euro1-2-3-4 car emission standards.
22:53 decimation actually I think the idea mix of government is weak global regulation below strong local soverignty
22:54 mircea_popescu that didn't parse.
22:55 decimation well, it's true that sovereignty is binary, either you rule or you don't
22:56 mircea_popescu decimation suppose i have a slavegirl. am i sovereign over her or aren't i ?
22:57 decimation depends which government you live under, but assuming anarchy, I would say you are
22:57 mircea_popescu as an aside, mpex update : hardware changed and tested, os installed and failed. os reinstalled and failed. hardware retested and failed (!!!). hardware rechanged. tested, passed, tested, passed, os resintalled, tested.
22:57 mircea_popescu things are progressing smothly in the manner of fml.
22:58 mircea_popescu decimation so suppose i want to go down on her and she says her period started this morning. can i now order her to unperiodize herself ?
22:59 decimation obviously this is an impossible task, and you are not in a position to demand such a thing from nature
22:59 TheNewDeal what does that have to do with sovereignity?
22:59 mircea_popescu i thought you had just said i was sovereign.
22:59 mircea_popescu tell stalin it can't be done, not me.
23:00 TheNewDeal you could still go down on her, that's your sovereign power ;)
23:00 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal is flying an impossible taks ?
23:00 decimation re: upgrades http://xkcd.com/349/
23:00 assbot xkcd: Success
23:00 TheNewDeal depends on your definition of flight
23:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can i now order her to unperiodize herself << minor nitpick. this is actually possible.
23:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not retroactively.
23:01 asciilifeform ;;google menstrual extractor
23:01 gribble Menstrual extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_extraction>; Menstrual Extraction | WomensHealthSpecialists.org: <http://www.womenshealthspecialists.org/self-help/menstrual-extraction>; Menstrual Extraction - Sister Zeus: <http://www.sisterzeus.com/MenExt.htm>
23:01 mircea_popescu no dude i don't want an ersatz.
23:01 decimation you make a good point mircea, human sovereignty is always tragically limited
23:02 mircea_popescu i mean, the girl being a good slave may die trying
23:02 mircea_popescu but the interface between sovereignity and productivity is iffy at best.
23:02 mircea_popescu xerxes famously ordered the hellespont around, for that matter.
23:03 mircea_popescu they *did* whip it for failing to obey.
23:03 asciilifeform actually you can order reality around. it just takes a while to figure out how to speak the language to 'order' in.
23:03 asciilifeform i.e. technology
23:04 asciilifeform it's that, or 'whip the sea'
23:04 * mircea_popescu points stan to chapter 20ish of the book in question.
23:05 mircea_popescu what'd bobynin say to abakumov ?
23:05 * asciilifeform recalls that xerx ordered the hellespont not only whipped, but... branded
23:06 mircea_popescu i think so yeah
23:08 decimation technology (in certain respects) has been getting better, but it seems to me the problems faced are "np-hard"
23:09 mircea_popescu it's not even scientific, for that matter.
23:10 * mircea_popescu names decimation the new head of the secret service. order #1 : arrest all the dissenters so that the population remains > 0.
23:11 decimation suicide with wooden sword is in order
23:11 mircea_popescu over a political problem ?!
23:13 mike_c ;;calc (193000 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6
23:13 gribble -3.81095008052
23:13 decimation well the solution to your order lies somewhere between ghandi and stalin
23:13 mike_c warren's losing.
23:14 asciilifeform decimation: 'ghalin' ?
23:14 mircea_popescu o hey, argentina made someone 30ish btc
23:15 mircea_popescu decimation the solution obviously is, "make an ideology to which dissent is a self limiting condition"
23:16 TheNewDeal wasn't it you?
23:16 mircea_popescu mebbe.
23:16 mircea_popescu buttcoins are anonymous.
23:16 mircea_popescu bbl
23:21 decimation good point
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