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00:03	nubbins`	i used to live with a sommelier
00:03	nubbins`	he sure did know how to recommend the shit out of wine
00:04		mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1604971_10153660262365058_918624375_n.jpg
00:04	BingoBoingo	My favorite Grape product has always been Egri Bikaver
00:04	nubbins`	so gravity was ok but i didn't realize hot pants were standard issue for female astronauts
00:06	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: So you didn't solve my md4 puzzle yet?
00:07	nubbins`	didn't even try :D
00:08	BingoBoingo	Well the answer isn't this what-if.xkcd.com/89/
00:09	BingoBoingo	It may have been a hosted online stream of skyfall though
00:11	nubbins`	tungsten intoxication, imagine
00:17	MisterE	nubbins`: what was the last movie you watched?
00:17	nubbins`	gravity
00:17	MisterE	you were telling someone their recommendation better be good...
00:17	MisterE	the name seened interesting
00:18	nubbins`	ah
00:18	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Seriously though, Craig is prolly the best Bond since Dalton
00:18	nubbins`	matchstick men
00:18	MisterE	thanks thats it
00:18	nubbins`	it was a piece of shit, turned it off 15min in
00:18	MisterE	lol crap
00:18	nubbins`	fuckin nicolas cage
00:18	VanCleef	craig isterrible
00:18	VanCleef	sorry
00:18	MisterE	oh fuck I'm not even going to imdb that
00:18	MisterE	nick Cage
00:18	nubbins`	if there's one thing that 5 men will never agree on, it's who the best bond was
00:18	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: Craig is the third best Bond
00:18	MisterE	what is his good:bad movie ratio like 1:10
00:18	MisterE	?
00:19	nubbins`	1:oo
00:19	VanCleef	robert rodriguez is making a latino james bond film
00:19	VanCleef	should be interesting
00:19	BingoBoingo	Bonds ranked: Connery, Dalton, Craig, Moore, the rest, Connery
00:19	MisterE	best bond was ofc Shawn Connery
00:19	VanCleef	i liked dalton and licence to kill tho
00:19	MisterE	right moiety ?
00:19	BingoBoingo	Except when Connery was the worst
00:20	mircea_popescu	[\\\] lol not bad
00:20	VanCleef	http://www.indiewire.com/article/robert-rodriguezs-new-el-rey-network-plans-a-latino-james-bond-series
00:20	ozbot	Robert Rodriguez's New El Rey Network Plans a 'Latino James Bond' Series | Filmmakers, Film Industry
00:20	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: License to kill was prolly the best bond move in the three decades it is in the center of
00:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` where oo stands for oo-aa
00:21	VanCleef	yeh i rewatched it the other day, quite good
00:21	nubbins`	it was the closest i could get to an infinity symbol without trying
00:21	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: You realize such a thing is basically Breaking Bad, but centered on Tuco
00:21	MisterE	who was the Bond in the one with Jaws? Moonraker?
00:21	VanCleef	not a fan of breaking bad
00:21	MisterE	Breaking Bad is top 5 series ever made
00:22	BingoBoingo	MisterE: Both of those was Roger Moore
00:22	MisterE	probably tied for #2 with Sopranos in my book
00:22	MisterE	Roger Moore ok he was great
00:22	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: Honestly it would be better from the Salamancas point of view
00:22	BingoBoingo	MisterE: Still only the 4th best bond though
00:23	MisterE	you have them ranked?
00:23	BingoBoingo	MisterE: Very ranked
00:23	VanCleef	bingoboingo who do you think would make a good james bond after craig?
00:24	BingoBoingo	I dunno if it is time to think after Craig yet.
00:24	BingoBoingo	Craig is so solid and I dunno that any active English actors are ready yet.
00:24	nubbins`	cage
00:25	*	nubbins` cackles
00:25	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: The thing about Craig is LayerCake sold it.
00:25	VanCleef	i think Michael Fassbender
00:26	BingoBoingo	Fassbender doesn't have a LayerCake though
00:26	nubbins`	the idea of the "paleo diet" is interesting, but i can't help be suspicious that it's for fucking idiots
00:27	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: It is atkins for idiots
00:27	nubbins`	mostly based on the fact that most of the stuff i read about it appears to have been written by fucking idiots
00:27	BingoBoingo	Like Diablo-D3
00:27	nubbins`	"Now that you’ve been eating like a predator for some time, you are discovering that when you eat like a predator, and play like a predator, you start thinking like a predator. Stupid people aren’t annoyances: they’re profit centers. Fat people are no longer disgusting: they’re delicious."
00:27	nubbins`	what the fuck
00:27	BingoBoingo	Such idiot, much ketogenic
00:28	nubbins`	"ever since i went paleo, i don't find fat people disgusting"
00:29	MisterE	how about Jason Straham?
00:29	MisterE	is he English?
00:30	BingoBoingo	Statham?
00:30	BingoBoingo	English enough, but too old to replace craig
00:30	MisterE	ah yes I knew I was spelling last name wrong
00:30	MisterE	I seem to like many of the movies he's in
00:30	BingoBoingo	These roles have narrow time windows
00:31	nubbins`	transporter movies sucked
00:31	BingoBoingo	craig's replacement will prolly be unknowable until at least two years after he's too old
00:31	BingoBoingo	trasnporter one was good
00:31	BingoBoingo	The Crank movies were great though
00:31	*	nubbins` groans
00:31	nubbins`	not contrived at all
00:32	BingoBoingo	Contrived has aesthetic uses though
00:32	nubbins`	like when dude banged his wife in the middle of a football field
00:32	nubbins`	y'know, for the plot
00:32	MisterE	Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels he was good in that
00:32	BingoBoingo	Well, yeah
00:32	BingoBoingo	That scene was about liberation
00:32	nubbins`	not because all the HURR DURR knuckleheads who cummed at that scene in the first movie wanted to cum again
00:33	nubbins`	Crank is the kind of movie the roided-out cokehead at the gym would make
00:34	BingoBoingo	They can't make it
00:34	nubbins`	if they could :D
00:34	BingoBoingo	It isn't a problem of lacking the ability to, they lack the humor
00:35	joecool	the crank movies were shot on pretty low budget
00:35	joecool	if i recall they used off the shelf cameras from best buy
00:35	joecool	so yeah prob good have a bunch of gym guys make it
00:35	joecool	:)
00:35	BingoBoingo	joecool: They did indeed
00:36	nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21dgu7/how_can_bitcoin_be_taxed_as_property_but/
00:36	ozbot	How can Bitcoin be taxed as property, but regulated as money? It's time for a class action lawsuit.
00:36	nubbins`	it's time for a where's my ritalin
00:37	BingoBoingo	lol
00:38	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: If you can throw a baseball in the strikezone at 92+ mph that will cease to be a dilema
00:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.0027771 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {2}
00:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00605 = 0.484 BTC [-]
00:40	BingoBoingo	Way down the line in my cue of things I need to post about is why Marijuana is the best performance enhancing drug for handegg
00:42	VanCleef	another terrible buy from facebook today
00:43	BingoBoingo	The handegg-weed argument basically boils down to persistent analgesic effect and appetite stimulant effect
00:43	nubbins`	for lots of stuff
00:43	nubbins`	i did AP math in high school
00:43	nubbins`	this one kid used to get lit up before class
00:43	nubbins`	he wrote his calculus exams with a fucking pen
00:44	BingoBoingo	I took the GRE plastered
00:44	BingoBoingo	Off of Dewars white label scotch
00:45	BingoBoingo	Took the ASVAB with a migraine
00:45	nubbins`	there was a canadian snowboarded who lost olympic gold after testing + for pot
00:45	nubbins`	i say give him the silver as well as the gold
00:45	nubbins`	*snowboarder
00:45	BingoBoingo	Eh, fuck the Olympics
00:45	nubbins`	on that, we can agree
00:46	joecool	nubbins`: he got it back and now runs a very successful pot chain, ross' gold
00:46	nubbins`	ha
00:46	joecool	(srsly)
00:46	joecool	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Rebagliati <
00:46	ozbot	Ross Rebagliati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:47	BingoBoingo	On the ASVAB I did the multiple choice thing well enough to qualify for any enlisted job training in the US DoD, but failed the MEPs psych screening
00:47	BingoBoingo	I was manic as hell that weekend
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00605 = 0.599 BTC [-]
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+]
00:49	VanCleef	dealing with cash seems alot easier than complying with these new bitcoin irs rules
00:49	BingoBoingo	Not really
00:50	BingoBoingo	Just convert between the two more selectively
00:50	BingoBoingo	The only thing the new IRS rules really hurt is Gyft's mode of operation
00:50	BingoBoingo	Where you convert at astoundingly high frequency
00:51	BingoBoingo	VanCleef: Were you the NYDFS VanCleef
00:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0027771 = 0.9442 BTC [-]
00:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00605 = 0.847 BTC [-] {2}
01:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
01:16	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530306.0
01:16	ozbot	VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY
01:28	cazalla	supernodes is back - https://twitter.com/balajis loves to repeat the term
01:31	BingoBoingo	cazalla: I really just want one of these SV types to kiss my glans and say, "I'm sorry"
01:34	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/448693246160404481#
01:34	ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @DodgersNation @cfarivar Would ...
01:41	MisterE	wow, close call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg&feature=youtu.be
01:41	MisterE	wow, close call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg
01:41	MisterE	ozbot dont do YT eh
01:43	cazalla	wow, 2 minutes and it's gone
01:44	MisterE	yea amazing
01:44	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
01:44	MisterE	construction fires are some of the scariest
01:45	MisterE	tons of fail by the FD there too, painfully obvious they were out of practice and coms were non-existant
01:46	chetty	http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/bitcoin-mtgox-idINDEEA2P03C20140326
01:46	ozbot	Mt. Gox says working with Tokyo police on investigation
01:46	MisterE	I think people will get some value back out of Gox once they unravel the mess
01:47	MisterE	seems like there is some there
01:56	BingoBoingo	Differences between the crazy and the merely ignorant, the crazy possess an enviable ability for introspection http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/25093-how-can-i-invent-a-new-disorder/#entry158059
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02:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-] {3}
02:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.049 = 0.392 BTC [+]
02:24	BingoBoingo	;; later someone remind me that tonight I started a great post about the quartz revolution and the swiss watch industry
02:24	gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "someone" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
02:36	benkay	;;later tell BingoBoingo tonight you started a post about something
02:36	gribble	The operation succeeded.
02:36	benkay	h/t
02:38	BingoBoingo	;;later tell benkay like any good research paper organizing the rest of it is the challenge
02:38	gribble	The operation succeeded.
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03:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62899771 = 1.887 BTC [+] {3}
03:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
03:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
03:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04899999 = 0.441 BTC [+] {4}
03:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0530005 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2}
03:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
04:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
04:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
04:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62699805 = 4.389 BTC [-] {5}
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62931987 = 8.1812 BTC [+] {4}
04:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988969 BTC [+]
04:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6298897 = 5.669 BTC [+] {2}
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04:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 529 @ 0.0027771 = 1.4691 BTC [-]
04:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0476 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {2}
04:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
04:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
04:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04670999 = 0.9342 BTC [-] {8}
04:55	moiety	;; later tell MisterE nah, the original James Bond to me is Roger Moore; modern Bond Pierce Brosnan/Daniel Craig equally. I can't take Sean Connery seriously after the film with the flying penises, not to mention his ever exaggerated accent :P
04:55	gribble	The operation succeeded.
04:58	moiety	;; later tell BingoBoingo something about watches. also i'm unsure if i fell asleep or fainted after reading vicurex's distribution plan :s
04:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00277709 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {3}
05:16	jurov	wuuuuuuut 1000 lines? guys and gals you outdid yourself
05:16	jurov	*yourselves
05:18	jurov	what about a bet "#bitcoin-assets daily log to have > 5000 lines any day"
05:19	jurov	to hedge my inability to keep up
05:23	moiety	jurov: there was movie suggestions going on XD
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05:40	VanCleef	i like how fb is just throwing money away
05:40	VanCleef	they're getting desperate
05:50	HeySteve	you talking Oculus Rift, VanCleef?
05:51	HeySteve	not sure what FB would want with VR headset but doubtless something sinister
05:56	cazalla	gotta keep up with google glass
05:56	VanCleef	yeh steve
05:57	VanCleef	they're making the matrix fo realz with extra ads
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07102 = 0.3551 BTC [-] {2}
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00263502 = 0.137 BTC [-]
06:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15317 @ 0.00095264 = 14.5916 BTC [+]
06:06	cazalla	you will need to login to facebook before logging into the matrix
06:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00532521 = 0.1331 BTC [+]
06:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00095088 = 17.2109 BTC [-]
06:24	dub	;;later tell asciilifeform remember: Your brain is LIQUEFYING from hanging out with RETARDS. Your PRINCIPLES are liquefying!
06:24	gribble	The operation succeeded.
06:35	jurov	nubbins`: the drive asks too much juice, use other or a powered hub
06:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00592872 = 0.5099 BTC [-] {6}
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06:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00094844 = 19.1585 BTC [-] {2}
07:04	Mats_cd03	hi cuties
07:04	only	hey love <3
07:06	Neil	Don't really want to restart the convo of 24hrs ago, but I'll just point out that our friend http://bitbet.us/stats/16tAoe9PWgyncvCRxjtisPiNy9Pbcrqsgf/ has done simultaneous bets on both sides of several bets. *Every* 2-way bet that has resolved so far has been a loss for him, often substantially so.
07:08	jurov	needs bigger sample, one lucky bet could get him into the blue
07:08	jurov	or black? whatever
07:09	jurov	and BingoBoingo, don't forget to feature >1y old vircurex screenshot from archive
07:10	jurov	tables on top of each other and everything.. it was minimalistic ugliness unsurpassed since
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07:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05491999 = 0.2746 BTC [-] {3}
07:31	Neil	.bait
07:31	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/2c5b2be64d84c73c2a52ccbbe312b2ab/tumblr_my1p1nQKGZ1t0j8ebo1_1280.jpg
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
07:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04540624 = 0.7265 BTC [-] {3}
07:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]
07:50	chetty	Neil:http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/
08:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299489 = 0.292 BTC [+]
08:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299689 = 0.365 BTC [+]
08:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299789 = 0.365 BTC [+]
08:19	chetty	http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/25/Cops-Man-Hit-Girlfriend-With-Anger-Management-Book
08:19	ozbot	Cops: Man Hit Girlfriend With Anger Management Book
08:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04739966 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2}
08:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095005 = 7.5054 BTC [+] {2}
08:45	Mats_cd03	is anyone else tired of this 'big data' tripe being parroted
08:47	Mats_cd03	i just talked to an "intelligence professional" that wants to study "data sciences and analytics" through a "masters in (applied sciences) big data"
08:47	Mats_cd03	im about to die of buzzword poisoning
08:51	Mats_cd03	universities should just offer 'ripping off government acquisitions managers' as a degree and be done with it
09:00	cedivad	Mats_cd03: lol; +1
09:10	blackwhite	morning gents
09:11	mircea_popescu	ello
09:14	blackwhite	so this is unrelated to bitcoin but might still be of interest. I am doing a contextual note taking app for osx. I have an alpha version and is looking for a few people to test it. The look of it is like this http://grab.by/vs1G
09:14	blackwhite	and I would love some none designers to test it out
09:16	herbijudlestoids	hullo
09:17	herbijudlestoids	just thought id pop in
09:17	mircea_popescu	hey herbi
09:17	herbijudlestoids	hows life?
09:17	mircea_popescu	just in time, i'm hatching a scholarship thingee
09:17	herbijudlestoids	orly?
09:17	mircea_popescu	yarly.
09:18	herbijudlestoids	tell me more
09:18	herbijudlestoids	ps: i saw your letters to the SEC. lelz.
09:18	herbijudlestoids	randomly on coindesk one day saw MPex mentioned, about a week ago ithink
09:19	mircea_popescu	you need better sources lolz.
09:20	mircea_popescu	anyway, prolly next article.
09:21	herbijudlestoids	anyway i just wanted to pop in and check that youre all alive and well
09:22	herbijudlestoids	<3
09:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285853 = 0.2859 BTC [-] {5}
09:37	TomServo	mircea_popescu: when you laying that egg?
09:39	mircea_popescu	i dunno, it's one of those
09:39	mircea_popescu	floating in my head doesn't want to come out
09:49	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/#comment-98711 << today i learned someone's been actually doing something pretty close to the whole google-bitbet thing
09:49	ozbot	How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0715 = 0.429 BTC [-] {2}
10:01	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/smvuacK.png
10:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 54 @ 0.00228926 = 0.1236 BTC [-] {9}
10:11	Mats_cd03	BingoBoingo: what was your MOS
10:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00094739 = 9.5686 BTC [-] {2}
10:18	mircea_popescu	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/08/Obama-Administration-s-Operation-Choke-Point-On-Mission-to-Destroy-Key-Sectors-of-Private-Lending-Industry
10:18	ozbot	Obama's 'Operation Choke Point' Seeks to Destroy Sectors of Private Lending Industry
10:18	mircea_popescu	" 'Operation Choke Point,' which is designed to destroy three sectors of the private lending industry: third party payment processors ("TPPPs"), payday lenders, and online lenders. ". sez breitbart.
10:20	Mats_cd03	i disagree with the belief that payday lenders are toxic
10:20	Mats_cd03	the fact that banks suck so much is precisely why consumers have fled to their services
10:20	Mats_cd03	^ away rather
10:20	mircea_popescu	what's toxic is, as always, plastic.
10:21	mircea_popescu	the fact that they enforce it on the "Well to do" govt employees makes it very expensive for actual workers to gateway to the cash ecpnomy they use
10:21	mircea_popescu	basically they're forcing people to be paid in lala land whether they live in lalaland or the actual tide economy
10:22	Mats_cd03	its simpler than that
10:22	Mats_cd03	http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/09/why-poor-choose-go-without-bank-accounts/6783
10:22	ozbot	The Real Reason the Poor Go Without Bank Accounts - Lisa J. Servon - The Atlantic Cities
10:22	Mats_cd03	less friction seems to be the simplest way to describe it
10:22	mircea_popescu	yup. is pretty much what i meant.
10:23	chetty	the organization plays a critical role in influencing the behavior of banks and financial institutions around the country
10:23	Mats_cd03	the above article should be required reading for self titled bitcoin enthusiasts
10:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05562636 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {3}
10:26	mircea_popescu	we probably should make a list of required reading
10:26	mircea_popescu	lampelina hey, you considering a "must read these" page ?
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 752 @ 0.00013675 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {3}
10:33	chetty	Mats_cd03, that was a great article, thanks much
10:35	Mats_cd03	glad you liked it chetty
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10:50	lampelina	mircea_popescu, what do you mean with that
10:50	lampelina	a faq or similar?
10:51	mircea_popescu	no, like a recomended reading list.
10:52	ThickAsThieves	maybe it ends up a curriculum
10:54	ThickAsThieves	again now http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/26/oculus-shares-up-152-but-its-not-that-oculus/?mod=WSJBlog
10:55	mircea_popescu	Oculus VisionTech Inc.OVTZ +87.50%,
10:55	lampelina	will think about it when I come to this
10:55	mircea_popescu	and then we bitch about bitcoiners being clueless.
10:56	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves we definitely need a curriculum, currently it's "stfu and read", but the implied "read what ?!" is never really addressed.
10:56	ThickAsThieves	yeah, "go read the logs and the forum" isn't quite realistic anymore
10:57	mircea_popescu	making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with
10:57	ThickAsThieves	it's a fucking oddysey by now
10:57	mircea_popescu	the logs are > 50mb on my disk. who can read that ?
10:57	mircea_popescu	and the forums i wouldn't advise anyone to read, unless they had mastered both the topic and internet stuff.
10:57	ThickAsThieves	i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year
10:57	mircea_popescu	in principle you should, yes.
10:57	ThickAsThieves	based*
10:58	mircea_popescu	im pretty sure eventually people will, just this bs "o we're the sec/jpm/herpdiderp, we don't need no stikinin' obedience to bitcoin" will have to be either crushed or dissolved first.
10:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00270082 = 0.2593 BTC [-] {3}
10:59	mircea_popescu	what did that thing ipo at, was it 25 ? or 30 something ?
11:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.0027008 = 0.6131 BTC [-] {2}
11:00	ThickAsThieves	both i guess
11:00	kakobrekla	<mircea_popescu> making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with < yes someone give her a hand so we dont end up with links to facebook :p
11:01	ThickAsThieves	xbond round was 25, full offering was 30
11:01	mircea_popescu	ic
11:01	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla kinda what im tryin for :)
11:03	mircea_popescu	"If your employer offers you insurance that doesn’t provide free ella, or anything else on the list of “preventive services”—as defined by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and ultimately by Obama—then it’s subject to a fine of $36,500 a year. But if your employer doesn’t offer you insurance at all, it’s subject to a fine of $2,000 a year. "
11:03	mircea_popescu	the usg wrote the book on perverse incentives, srsly.
11:04	mircea_popescu	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Marriage_Leopold_of_Austria_Eleonore_of_Pfalz_Neuburg.jpg << cocksucking was A LOT more expensive in 1676.
11:04	kakobrekla	<ThickAsThieves> i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year < isnt it the point that you end up not having 'a job'
11:04	asciilifeform	somebody explain the mindfuck from earlier. the 'check cashing shop' thing isn't a straight scam?
11:05	ThickAsThieves	depends how you define job kako
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01634198 = 0.2778 BTC [-] {5}
11:06	ThickAsThieves	i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party
11:06	kakobrekla	i thought it was an acronym for just over broke
11:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no ?
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.01603934 = 1.8926 BTC [-] {7}
11:07	kakobrekla	<ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that
11:07	kakobrekla	go pick up trash
11:07	mircea_popescu	about 200mn of us citizens live in the fictitious world of bezzle. they never use cash for anything. about 50mn us citizens live in the real economy, they mostly use tide for currency, but at the fringe there's this exchange of people who work for the fictitious economy,
11:07	asciilifeform	the way it was explained to me, by one wretch, is that many folks who refuse to use ordinary banks do so because they were hounded by creditors (ordinary ones, and government alimony collectors)
11:07	mircea_popescu	but then try to obtain their wages in actual cash
11:07	mircea_popescu	nope. it's mostly because they are not part of that world.
11:08	mircea_popescu	like you know, some people don't wear dockers, because they're not social justice warriors, the women they fuck don't even know what dockers are, etc.
11:08	asciilifeform	how does using paper benjamins release you from bezzle?
11:08	mircea_popescu	it's not that it releases you from it,
11:08	mircea_popescu	it's just that it makes no sense for you to keep virtual benjamins if you do nothing in the bezzle.
11:09	mircea_popescu	by now it's pretty much two different currencies.
11:09	mircea_popescu	the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar,
11:09	mircea_popescu	different entirely.
11:09	asciilifeform	a little hard to buy a reel of 0805 resistors with paper hundies
11:09	mircea_popescu	but that guy does not buy a reel of resistors.
11:09	ThickAsThieves	kakobrekla> <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that /// only in the broad sense, i wouldnt personally find that "worth doing" in my own values of what my time is worth
11:09	mircea_popescu	a little hard to buy what he buys with wot rating.
11:10	ThickAsThieves	not saying i'm "above" picking up trash, i have at times, just that it's not the right fit, nor taking advantage of any of my experience
11:11	ThickAsThieves	i guess i am saying i'me above it, i dunno
11:11	mircea_popescu	lol
11:11	mircea_popescu	that escalated quickly.
11:11	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i've laid cable, for instance, to eat.
11:12	ThickAsThieves	well, sure, gotta do what you gotta do
11:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2700 @ 0.00262857 = 7.0971 BTC [-] {10}
11:13	kakobrekla	i did a lot of stuff to eat
11:13	ThickAsThieves	let's not veer over a cliff here, this started mostly by pointing out that anyone who's well read in this space probably has something valuable to offer
11:13	kakobrekla	never had a job in my view.
11:13	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: if you're hard up for work, become a reverse engineer
11:13	ThickAsThieves	i'm not hard up for work
11:13	asciilifeform	people have serious problems hiring any
11:13	ThickAsThieves	i am however having trouble choosing work
11:13	mircea_popescu	i guess im the only privileged asshole here, i never did anything to eat.
11:15	mike_c	i cooked and disposed of laboratory trash to pay for school. worst smell of my life.
11:18	kakobrekla	>Goat's posts are disappearing.. by whom?
11:18	kakobrekla	>>Probably deleted by himself because his user ID does not appear in the modlog (Ctrl + F "44233" without quotation marks). All deleted posts are still visible on bitcointa.lk though (this thread is 6 pages longer).
11:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar << nobody forces people to jump in chumpatron
11:18	kakobrekla	double lel.
11:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but yes they do. suppose you work for company x.
11:18	mircea_popescu	you can't instruct them to pay you in cash.
11:19	asciilifeform	in u.s. you can usually become 'contractor' and get your pay in whole, then you are required to pay the tax collectors manually
11:19	mircea_popescu	no, you can't.
11:19	mircea_popescu	if you become a contractor you will be paid by check
11:19	mircea_popescu	and that will be deposited in your bank account
11:19	mircea_popescu	and you can't take the cash out.
11:20	mircea_popescu	on one hand because you are legally required to keep your money in the bank
11:20	mircea_popescu	on the other hand because you're not rlegally allowed to make withdrawals.
11:20	ThickAsThieves	i missed something, why can't someone withdraw their money?
11:20	asciilifeform	since when? every bank i ever used let you take it out. granted, if you take more than $xxxx in one day, the anti-terrorism folks get a phone call.
11:20	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: I was unwaiverably ineligible, because crazy
11:20	benkay	another cuh-ray-zee aspect of the bezzle is the plastic rewards thing that makes cash more expensive.
11:21	chetty	well you can withdraw, but its not so easy etc.
11:21	ThickAsThieves	yes the $xxxx thing is a real throttle
11:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so then what part of "not allowed" don't you follow ?
11:21	mircea_popescu	you're allowed except you're not and if you do we fuck you up ?
11:22	mircea_popescu	let's run some scenarios. i am a contractor, working for you. you write me a check for 100k.
11:22	mircea_popescu	i go to bank, order them to pay me 100k.
11:22	mircea_popescu	they tell me they can't.
11:22	mircea_popescu	problem solved.
11:22	mircea_popescu	i order them to pay me 10k.
11:22	mircea_popescu	they tell me they can;t.
11:22	mircea_popescu	problem also solved.
11:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00591 = 0.857 BTC [-] {4}
11:22	mircea_popescu	they then proceed me to tell me that they can pay some, but can't tell me how much.
11:22	ThickAsThieves	you could do 9k per day without much fuss
11:23	mircea_popescu	if i hire someone to go take money out every day for a year, 300 bucks at a time,
11:23	mircea_popescu	and keep it at home, i'll be in violation of the "corps must keep their funds i na bank" rule.
11:23	mircea_popescu	in any case any qty of cash will be confiscated by govt agents on sight
11:23	mircea_popescu	and on it goes.
11:23	asciilifeform	that last part, is, afaik, true
11:23	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the fuss will be that on the third time yo udo it your house will be confiscated,
11:24	asciilifeform	but there isn't an official 'humans must keep cash in a bank' rule atm.
11:24	ThickAsThieves	hmm
11:24	mircea_popescu	pending you prove that you have a "legitimate reason" and in any case you face prosecution under the "trying to avoid prosecution for using your own money" laws.
11:24	asciilifeform	you are theoretically welcome to keep your pay in gold, or cement, so long as the tax was paid
11:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, but contractors aren't physical persons, they're legal persons, and that rule does exist.
11:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform very theoretically. in the sense you're theoretically welcome to shoot the president.
11:25	mircea_popescu	so no, participation in the us chumpatron is voluntary in the sense participation in the communist party was voluntary.
11:25	asciilifeform	ok in that sense it is very true
11:25	jborkl	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=534620.0
11:25	ozbot	Selling Sperm
11:26	jborkl	heh
11:26	mircea_popescu	lol. someone should point out to the sperm seller the precedent re paying for child support.
11:26	asciilifeform	one can still decide on the degree to which to play the chumpatron. no one is forced to buy 401k, yet.
11:26	mircea_popescu	yes, you are.
11:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013798 = 0.138 BTC [+] {3}
11:26	mircea_popescu	ever worked in an office asciilifeform ?
11:27	ThickAsThieves	it's shoved down your throat at least
11:27	asciilifeform	sure
11:27	mircea_popescu	suppose you work as an accountant, with six others.
11:27	mircea_popescu	suppose you're the only one who doesn't.
11:27	ThickAsThieves	so much so that your family advocates it endlessly too
11:27	mircea_popescu	suppose the yearly review mentions this point.
11:27	mircea_popescu	suppose someone has to be let go.
11:27	benkay	"but you're giving up free money!"
11:28	asciilifeform	if it's a corp that 'matches' 401k, and avaricious boss, he ought to fire the more expensive fellow (the one who opts in) ?
11:28	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the one who opts out is more expensive to him.
11:28	mircea_popescu	the matching gives him a tax break.
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 675 @ 0.00048893 = 0.33 BTC [+] {5}
11:28	mircea_popescu	if he plans his budget, and you upset the planning,
11:29	mircea_popescu	you may actually force him over a threshold, with results so far out of proportion he might as well just shoot you and bury you in hudson river.
11:29	benkay	thereby collecting the insurance policy he took out on you.
11:29	asciilifeform	not that this situation is impossible - but most large co.s have a third party run their chumpatronics
11:29	mircea_popescu	so ?
11:29	asciilifeform	so the fellow who is to fire you may not even know if you use 401k
11:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00587761 = 0.8816 BTC [-] {9}
11:29	mircea_popescu	third parties can also shoot you and bury you in the river.
11:30	mircea_popescu	hahaha.
11:30	mircea_popescu	what are you, from the 60s ?
11:30	mircea_popescu	they have like computers now and shit.
11:32	asciilifeform	once again, i can't say that this scenario is impossible. just that it includes an extraordinary level of 'personal attention' from bureaucrats who would normally rather play tetris
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013505 = 0.1351 BTC [-] {2}
11:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013107 = 0.1311 BTC [-] {4}
11:35	asciilifeform	actually i can readily believe that exactly this would happen to, say, an executive salaried $1M
11:36	asciilifeform	if he were to demand his pay in something like money (even banked, electronic money, with all applicable tax paid) he might 'begin to have problems.'
11:36	VanCleef	anyone know goats address i'd like to send him a bucket of sperm
11:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000007 = 0.7 BTC [-] {4}
11:37	thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe
11:37	assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094739 BTC [-]
11:37	thestringpuller	;;google kanye power
11:37	gribble	Kanye West - POWER - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE>; Kanye West - POWER [FULL ORIGINAL HQ SONG] - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouwCWDbBskU>; Kanye West – Power Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-power-lyrics>
11:37	VanCleef	oh dear
11:37	artifexd	<mircea_popescu> suppose someone has to be let go. << Fire the person that sucks at their job
11:40	benkay	note the damoclean sword in that video, thestringpuller ?
11:42	BingoBoingo	!last S.POWER
11:42	assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
11:42	VanCleef	youknow whats funny about kanyewest his mom died from plastic surgery that he paid for lol
11:42	VanCleef	what a douche
11:44	benkay	comedy is when the bad guy dies
11:44	benkay	tragedy is when everyone dies
11:45	thestringpuller	;;seen smickles
11:45	gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <smickles> wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)
11:45	thestringpuller	XD enjoi your retirement old friend
11:48	benkay	Neil: why not reignite the discussion?
11:49	mircea_popescu	artifexd i suppose that's the one thing that has never happened yet.
11:49	benkay	Neil: you neglected to mention that his odds are much longer than the house odds
11:50	benkay	and you also didn't tabulate and chart your claim, but that's neither here nor there.
11:57	VanCleef	how is candy crush worth 500 million its just an app
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04501 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {2}
11:58	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, remember the tards from http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/ ?
11:58	mircea_popescu	yeah
11:58	Apocalyptic	seems they just played the "we got haxxed" part
11:59	Apocalyptic	http://pastebin.com/DdDjN72U
11:59	ozbot	Cryptorush BC shit (complete) - Pastebin.com
11:59	mircea_popescu	awww!
11:59	Apocalyptic	much sooner than I expected tbh
12:00	VanCleef	dot com bubble 2.0
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.32121462 BTC to 4`622 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
12:02	Apocalyptic	"[03:43] <Linkandzelda> I built my exchange to work around the daemon's account feature for managing user trades and balances/deposits/withdraws
12:02	Apocalyptic	"
12:02	Apocalyptic	oh no this is too god
12:02	Apocalyptic	*good
12:03	Apocalyptic	it's well known that even bitcoin's account are completely buggy and broken
12:03	Mats_cd03	if someone hosts the so-called bitcoin educational page, ill help populate it with materials
12:04	Apocalyptic	or was until 0.9 anyway, Gavin claims to have fixed it
12:04	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 well lampelina will, i gather.
12:04	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic maybe drop a link to the article ?
12:04	mircea_popescu	or what channel is this ?
12:04	Apocalyptic	i think it's #cryptorush, i'm not in that channel though
12:07	VanCleef	;google theglobe.com
12:07	VanCleef	;;google theglobe.com
12:07	gribble	theglobe.com - About Us: <http://www.theglobe.com/>; theGlobe.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGlobe.com>; Remember theGlobe.com? Tech IPOs have a dismal ... - CNN Money: <http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/16/technology/facebook-ipo-warning/>
12:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07386573 = 7.3866 BTC [+] {8}
12:08	Mats_cd03	[03:45] <Linkandzelda> which basically, I dont knpow how, but it gave users too many coins (too many being an extra 21 million in total)
12:08	mircea_popescu	i left them a link, should manage on their own.
12:08	Mats_cd03	i bet this individual doesnt know the difference between signed and unsigned integers
12:10	padishah_emperor	what bitcoin stocks should I put money into ?
12:10	benkay	vircurex
12:10	mike_c	fyrstikken sounds familiar. what exchange does he run?
12:10	padishah_emperor	coinrush
12:10	padishah_emperor	?
12:10	benkay	padishah_emperor: basically zero stocks have outperformed holding btc.
12:10	benkay	there are some notable exceptions, but they're not popular.
12:10	mike_c	oh, derp. he is one of the three amigos from coinrush.
12:11	VanCleef	you're better off holding coin
12:11	mike_c	er, cryptorush
12:11	padishah_emperor	benkay: ok thanks, thought so
12:11	mike_c	padishah_emperor: he was kidding. they are insolvent.
12:12	mike_c	geez. i am an idiot today. ignore that.
12:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.00094853 = 5.9729 BTC [+] {2}
12:13	mircea_popescu	benkay orly ?
12:13	Mats_cd03	padishah_emperor: mpex.co ?
12:14	Mats_cd03	benkay mp is about to brag about mpoe just give it a second
12:15	benkay	well with a softball pitch like that why wouldn't he
12:15	benkay	if padishah_emperor hasn't found mpoe on his/her own...
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
12:17	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 what is this mpoe you speak of.
12:17	padishah_emperor	mircea
12:17	padishah_emperor	do you want my money ?
12:18	mircea_popescu	notrly.
12:18	padishah_emperor	oh
12:19	padishah_emperor	mircea any advice on where I _should_ throw my money?
12:19	mircea_popescu	mnope. who are you anyway ?
12:20	padishah_emperor	just a guy with money
12:20	mircea_popescu	well then you should hold on to it and spend a year or so reading.
12:20	mircea_popescu	the log is in the topic.
12:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
12:21	padishah_emperor	but time is money, friend
12:21	mircea_popescu	exactly. spend your time so you may keep your money.
12:21	padishah_emperor	i have lots of money but not much time :(
12:22	mircea_popescu	vacation is in order.
12:22	BingoBoingo	I hear Transnidstria is a beautiful place
12:23	asciilifeform	lol!
12:23	mircea_popescu	nah
12:23	mircea_popescu	it's a sort of "shity strip of new jerseu"
12:23	mircea_popescu	s/u/y
12:23	asciilifeform	someone needs to start a 'war vacation' agency
12:24	padishah_emperor	my father was from moldova
12:24	asciilifeform	basic training for extra cost
12:24	padishah_emperor	romanian
12:24	VanCleef	buy more time
12:25	padishah_emperor	mircea i think whether you like it or not you're getting my money
12:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.60409765 = 15.1024 BTC [-] {11}
12:26	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Fortune_%28film%29
12:26	VanCleef	buy some candrycrush shares
12:26	BingoBoingo	"The freedom fighters are poorly-funded, and thus are sourcing money via war tourism, inviting wealthy foreigners to join their ranks for the thrills and experience."
12:26	thestringpuller	"if you're getting bitcoin throw it in the air. bitcoin-assets, the hustler's lair."
12:27	Mats_cd03	your negro vernacular is lacking, thestringpuller
12:27	thestringpuller	COME AT ME BRO
12:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if this business actually existed, it couldn't rely on 'naturally-occurring' wars.
12:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it would need to set up a reliable one. by shipping clients to both 'sides'
12:28	padishah_emperor	honestly guys I made ~680-90k aud on fucking dogecoin
12:28	padishah_emperor	so i have less aprreciation for money
12:28	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course.
12:28	padishah_emperor	and more for absurdist theatre
12:28	padishah_emperor	so I'm beyond it...
12:28	VanCleef	i believe your honesty
12:28	BingoBoingo	padishah_emperor: Maybe choose a side here? http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
12:29	bounce	so now we have a bunch that did their own coind and customer funds went AWOL. and a bunch that used the reference client and customer funds went AWOL. now, digital finance is unforgiving, but I'll say that it's not purely operator error in a hostile environment; looks like the machinery is dangerous too.
12:29	asciilifeform	bounce: 'reference client hacked' is 'extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence'
12:30	asciilifeform	bounce: not because the thing isn't a turd - it is - but it is then necessary to explain why other people's coins have stayed put.
12:31	BingoBoingo	bounce: They used "features" that weren't really implemented
12:32	bounce	well, yes, but that's not really the point. the reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work very well.
12:33	benkay	talk to the 'core dev team' about that.
12:33	BingoBoingo	Well, use version 0.4-0.6
12:33	BingoBoingo	With the config change to raise the DB locks
12:33	Mats_cd03	https://soundcloud.com/gruuvtastic/the-black-keys-fever The Black Keys single
12:33	asciilifeform	reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work << not everything in the kitchen is food. rat poison is not a condiment
12:34	bounce	oh, so the core devs are at it deliberately
12:34	asciilifeform	from whom is this a secret
12:35	VanCleef	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6MeB5uLflo
12:35	ozbot	Tulip Mania: The First Bubble [Debt & Doubt - Animation 6] - YouTube
12:35	bounce	bit of a problem then that from the outside you can't see just how the exchange's innards pick their condiments
12:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05500001 = 0.22 BTC [+]
12:51	adolf_fishler	wheres nubbins
12:51	adolf_fishler	did he watch matchstickmen
12:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00275 = 0.825 BTC [+]
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 199 @ 0.00275 = 0.5473 BTC [+]
12:59	ThickAsThieves	http://buttcoin.org/irs-rules-bitcoin-actually-news
12:59	ozbot	IRS rules on Bitcoin; This is actually news - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttco
12:59	ThickAsThieves	us buttcoin owner in this channel
12:59	ThickAsThieves	good stuff
12:59	ThickAsThieves	is*?
13:07	FabianB	has it been discussed yet why Huobi is paying ppl that were just too foolish to market sell into a too shallow order book?
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07051101 = 0.282 BTC [-]
13:08	thestringpuller	;;ticker
13:08	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.5, Best ask: 586.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 586.29, 24 hour volume: 11784.29834825, 24 hour low: 565.0, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 580.322827357
13:11	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ubiquitous-comsec.htm << somebody needs a new shannonizer. this one's sputtering.
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00278999 = 0.1395 BTC [-] {2}
13:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: potential sequel to your cesar cipher essay:
13:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/police-convict-chile-drug-trafficker-after-discovering-secret-code
13:15	asciilifeform	somehow this is all very reminiscent of folks disenchanted with the american medical establishment switching to snake oils, faith healing
13:16	Mats_cd03	benkay: leviathan wakes isnt bad, im ~100 pages through
13:21	benkay	i lost several nights of sleep to that book
13:24	asciilifeform	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-24/russia-gets-ready-for-life-without-visa-and-mastercard
13:24	ozbot	Russia Gets Ready for Life Without Visa and MasterCard - Businessweek
13:24	ThickAsThieves	http://pando.com/2014/03/26/oculus-rises-to-a-2b-exit-while-its-kickstarter-backers-are-left-with-cheap-swag/ it's interesting to think how regulation has actually created a situation where investors can be totally removed from any interest in the company they effectively funded
13:24	ozbot	Oculus rises to a $2B exit while its Kickstarter backers are left with cheap swag | PandoDaily
13:25	ThickAsThieves	oculus gets $2m to create their thing, sells out for $2b
13:25	ThickAsThieves	investors get a gizmo
13:25	benkay	i thought that was the whole point of kickstarter.
13:25	ThickAsThieves	this event puts it into real perspective though
13:26	Duffer1	i believe that's more an effect of a consumer mindset rather than a common sense mindset that would naturally want equity instead of swag
13:26	ThickAsThieves	sure, all the investors know what they got into
13:26	benkay	yeah but fartup equity is usually worth zero anyways
13:26	ThickAsThieves	and can only expect their gizmo
13:26	benkay	a toss up as to which is better value: likely worthless paper vs. entertaining gizmo
13:26	benkay	either way you get the fartup feels
13:27	ThickAsThieves	but if Oculos were allowed to actually crowdfund for equity investors, the odds are thats what they would have done instead
13:27	ThickAsThieves	Oculus*
13:27	VanCleef	with the money that oculoss made with fb they hsould pay back the kickstarter peeps
13:27	Duffer1	aren't they allowed already through a DPO?
13:28	ThickAsThieves	VanCleef, while that would be "nice" i see no reason they should
13:28	VanCleef	but yeh anyway another terrible buy from fb
13:28	ThickAsThieves	possibly
13:28	pankkake	them being bought by facebook make them unlikely to deliver the advertised product
13:28	ThickAsThieves	i agree that Facebook does not seem agile anough to imitate what google does
13:29	Duffer1	or deliver it on Facebook's terms
13:29	ThickAsThieves	enough&
13:29	ThickAsThieves	but it is still the only hope they have to survive
13:29	ThickAsThieves	to branch out
13:30	Duffer1	also the sequels to Leviathan Wakes were pretty disappointing imo
13:30	ThickAsThieves	i dont see how socilmedia-izing the Rift will help
13:30	ThickAsThieves	i'm typing like a champ today...
13:31	Duffer1	maybe they want to offer a vr platform for minigame devs?
13:31	VanCleef	so on kickstarter are you allowed to sell equity into yourprivate company or nah?
13:31	Duffer1	nope
13:31	Duffer1	er not that i'm aware of
13:32	ThickAsThieves	there are new laws on the table in the JOBS act I believe
13:32	ThickAsThieves	to allow for such
13:32	ThickAsThieves	but they are tabled or something
13:32	VanCleef	mmmk
13:32	VanCleef	that would be cool
13:32	VanCleef	id probably invest in things on kickstarter
13:32	VanCleef	if that were da case
13:33	ThickAsThieves	Candy Crush IPO opens at 10% under offer price
13:33	Duffer1	hehe
13:33	VanCleef	yeh that candy crush ipo is a joke
13:34	VanCleef	dotcom bubble 2.0
13:34	Diablo-D3	you know whats funny?
13:34	Diablo-D3	no one in here
13:34	Diablo-D3	can actually afford to do business with me
13:34	ThickAsThieves	...
13:34	ThickAsThieves	you can say that again
13:34	ThickAsThieves	!
13:35	VanCleef	i think these are signs that market is topping and everything over valued bubbles etc and could see a decent crash this year
13:35	ThickAsThieves	hard to say
13:36	ThickAsThieves	inflation fucks up valuations for stocks
13:36	VanCleef	we're definitely in a bailout bubble atm
13:37	Mats_cd03	wouldnt be the first time someone said that
13:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol the saga of bad crypto never ends does it.
13:41	mircea_popescu	FabianB nope. link ?
13:43	FabianB	mircea_popescu: http://www.coindesk.com/rumours-panic-ddos-attack-huobis-wild-week/
13:43	mircea_popescu	heh
13:43	VanCleef	http://youtu.be/4ECi6WJpbzE?t=18m39s
13:43	ozbot	Overdose: The Next Financial Crisis - YouTube
13:43	FabianB	"Huobi agreed to make its customers whole again at 70 RMB ($11.29) per LTC for anyone who sold below that level."
13:44	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves somehow this discussion is a strange rehash of the older "platinum records / musical talent" thing.
13:44	mircea_popescu	a large part of the entire "start-up success" fantasy by now is specifically NOT having any sort of technical merit or actual value
13:44	mircea_popescu	much like a singer won't win if they're good. they must suck to win, in order to "represent" the idiots watching at home.
13:45	FabianB	just wondered whether i got something wrong or if they really pay their stupidest users
13:47	mircea_popescu	FabianB i would suppose they're taking the opposite tack to the now-famous "fuck you and read" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0
13:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0541 = 0.3787 BTC [-] {3}
13:47	mircea_popescu	plenty of people trying to make a career out of doing the wrong thing.
13:47	FabianB	seems like
13:47	ThickAsThieves	i'm having trouble understanding this huobi thing
13:48	ThickAsThieves	how did people get negative balances? why are they refunding people in cash?
13:48	ThickAsThieves	etc
13:48	mircea_popescu	;;later tell nubbins` maybe tshirts with "A loser is You!"
13:48	gribble	The operation succeeded.
13:48	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves because it's broken ? i dunno, just my guess.
13:49	VanCleef	i blame Mark Karpelass
13:50	FabianB	ThickAsThieves: looks like you can margin trade on huobi
13:50	ThickAsThieves	ah
13:51	ThickAsThieves	most retarded headline of the week: Poll: 48% of Americans understand bitcoin but most still prefer gold - See more at: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf
13:52	ThickAsThieves	48% of americans surely do not own gold
13:52	ThickAsThieves	surely dont understand bitcoin either
13:52	mircea_popescu	"please believe us when we say the shit we sell you is worth buying"
13:52	mircea_popescu	"we have a poll to prove it"
13:52	ThickAsThieves	lol, in the recommended links on the same page:
13:53	ThickAsThieves	Poll: 76% of Americans never heard of bitcoin, 79% would never own one
13:53	benkay	99% will never own one.
13:53	benkay	"We! Are! The 99%!"
13:53	ThickAsThieves	the numbers, they have a mind of their own!
13:54	ThickAsThieves	socially transmitted diseases
13:54	VanCleef	Putin approval rating is higher in American than Obama
13:54	ThickAsThieves	obama better hit the gym
13:54	asciilifeform	VanCleef: afaik this has been the case for years.
13:55	asciilifeform	VanCleef: same poll as 'bedbugs have higher approval rating than senate,' etc.
13:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00282999 = 0.1981 BTC [+]
13:55	ThickAsThieves	"Congress to consider banning online gambling"
13:55	ThickAsThieves	when will they ban Twitter?
13:56	VanCleef	america should just ban the internet
13:56	mircea_popescu	lol. 75% of all statistics are made up
13:58	VanCleef	fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America.
13:59	dhenson	fact: soon, China will be the #1 english speaking country in the world.
14:00	Mats_cd03	thats dubious, have you ever interacted with chinese speakers that learned ESL?
14:00	Mats_cd03	their ESL programs are horrible
14:00	Mats_cd03	english speaking is a reach
14:01	adolf_fishler	fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America.
14:01	adolf_fishler	i believe that one
14:01	dhenson	They would only need 1 in 3 to speak english. With all of the american tv programming, I could believe it.
14:01	adolf_fishler	its ok for your wife to beat u in america
14:01	adolf_fishler	ur just supposed to let her. its the law.
14:01	asciilifeform	in antarctica, even more freedom.
14:01	Mats_cd03	lol 'only'
14:02	dhenson	A friend of mine's wife was arrested for assault, so not sure that's known by my local police if true.
14:02	adolf_fishler	what did she assault
14:02	dhenson	Of course, she did run over him with the car.
14:02	dhenson	(back tire)
14:02	adolf_fishler	o
14:02	adolf_fishler	yeah
14:02	adolf_fishler	thats attempted murder
14:03	adolf_fishler	slightly more aggressive than assault
14:03	dhenson	Nah, she was driving away and bumped the car into him and ran over his foot. just assault
14:04	adolf_fishler	it wasnt intentional ?
14:04	dhenson	Bumping into him was, she claimed running over his foot wasn't. Not sure what she thought was going to happen.
14:07	mircea_popescu	uh
14:07	mircea_popescu	well, depends what your standards for "speaking english" are.
14:08	mircea_popescu	most us citizens don't speak english worth a crap.
14:08	asciilifeform	'english as she is spoke'
14:09	asciilifeform	;;google english as she is spoke
14:09	gribble	English As She Is Spoke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke>; English as she is spoke by Pedro Carolino and José da Fonseca ...: <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30411>; English As She Is Spoke vs. Babelfish!: <http://www.zompist.com/spoke.html>
14:09	dhenson	At what point is it going to stop being called 'English'? Referring to the divergant language in parts of the US (south especially).
14:10	dhenson	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik
14:10	ozbot	Southpark - They Took Our Job - YouTube
14:10	mircea_popescu	at no point.
14:11	asciilifeform	well, in afghanistan, a hill tribe 10km from another such may or may not understand the speech. but to us, they both speak pashto
14:12	asciilifeform	standardized language is a 'luxury of civilization', like your mains socket
14:12	asciilifeform	it doesn't happen automagically.
14:12	ThickAsThieves	it's already split, English (American)
14:12	ThickAsThieves	in most software at leats
14:13	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: software people writing 'spell checker' mostly understand this to mean just the websterian reform, where they snipped the 'u' from 'colour', etc.
14:13	mircea_popescu	^
14:13	mircea_popescu	and turned s to z in a bunch of continuous forms
14:13	ThickAsThieves	and change s to z
14:13	ThickAsThieves	bleh
14:13	mircea_popescu	yay i got one
14:14	asciilifeform	'advertize'
14:14	mircea_popescu	martinizing and advertizing
14:14	the20year3	which is how it should be
14:14	mircea_popescu	the contributions of the us to englidsh
14:14	ThickAsThieves	z sounds more like s than s does!
14:14	asciilifeform	relevant: http://unspell.blogspot.com
14:14	asciilifeform	(herr orlov's crackpot crusade)
14:14	the20year3	utilization of the letter so it doesn't become obsolete
14:16	ThickAsThieves	it'll always have zebra!
14:16	ThickAsThieves	may one day it overcomes x too
14:16	ThickAsThieves	zylophone
14:16	mircea_popescu	and zylophone
14:16	ThickAsThieves	bam!
14:16	mircea_popescu	hahah
14:17	ThickAsThieves	the hive mind is improving
14:17	asciilifeform	http://unspell.blogspot.com/2013/12/what-does-one-need-to-know-in-order-to.html
14:17	ozbot	Project Unspell: What does one need to know in order to read English?
14:17	asciilifeform	http://unspell.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-doesnt-it-use-latin-alphabet.html
14:17	ozbot	Project Unspell: Why doesn't it use the Latin alphabet?
14:18	asciilifeform	etc
14:18	mircea_popescu	"Nobody likes you, generally speaking, and the presumptuous, misguided sort of nonsense I'm responding to here is a prime example of why. Romania is a large country, populated by a lot of distinct Internet users. Comparatively, wikipedia is a small shithole populated by a lot of indistinguishable idiots. Please stop getting into everyone's day."
14:18	mircea_popescu	dude who the fuck is trolling wikipedia to this insane degree
14:18	mircea_popescu	i wish to give him some atc
14:19	ThickAsThieves	has he actually taught anyone the language and studied if it isn;t worse for being so stripped down?
14:19	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: his son
14:19	ThickAsThieves	distinctive letters make text easier to scan, no?
14:20	asciilifeform	correct
14:20	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's more complicated than just that.
14:20	ThickAsThieves	surely
14:20	mircea_popescu	good simple rulesets also make text easier to scan
14:20	mircea_popescu	exceptions tho apparently have their own advantages
14:20	mircea_popescu	there's no consensus of what makes a better language, other than edge cases such as ergativity
14:21	mircea_popescu	( ie http://trilema.com/2013/the-linguistic-mark-of-cultural-failure/ )
14:21	asciilifeform	there is plenty of data on what makes for a terrible one, though.
14:21	mircea_popescu	exactly.
14:26	dhenson	regardless of the validity of the investment, that Rockminer IPO was crazy last night... 13 seconds.
14:27	*	mircea_popescu remembers the days of bitvps ipo...
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07050001 = 0.3525 BTC [-]
14:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0705 = 0.3525 BTC [-]
14:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00283 = 0.1415 BTC [+]
14:31	BingoBoingo	http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/26/4795861/charlotte-mayor-patrick-cannon.html#.UzMYaq1dXGT
14:31	ozbot	Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon arrested on corruption charges | CharlotteObserver.com
14:32	benkay	what happened, dhenson?
14:32	dhenson	They opened up 3750 shares for a public IPO at noon china time and they all sold in 13 seconds.
14:33	dhenson	15k shares pre-sold in blocks of 2000+ before the public IPO so they sold out before most people had a chance to buy in.
14:33	benkay	this is on which sexchange?
14:34	dhenson	not an exchange, direct btc deposit to their IPO btc address.
14:34	dhenson	direct shares
14:35	mircea_popescu	o hey, like the 2012 mpoe ipo
14:35	dhenson	I wasn't around for that. In what way, the speed, or the nature of the direct purchase?
14:38	dhenson	@benkay here is the results of the 13 second IPO http://rockminer.com/IPODATA.htm
14:38	benkay	dhenson: no trading of shares?
14:39	benkay	bitcoin-assets: is a lockup like this auto-scam?
14:39	dhenson	not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares.
14:39	dhenson	...ala activemining
14:40	benkay	footsteps of giants...
14:42	Mats_cd03	brilliant, really
14:42	Apocalyptic	<dhenson> not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares. << classic
14:43	benkay	mpoe trades on mpex so mp can manip
14:43	benkay	why not asicminer?
14:43	benkay	why not rockminer?
14:44	mircea_popescu	dhenson in the manner.
14:44	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745
14:44	ozbot	Sa ne jucam de-a investitiile-n bitcoini. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:44	mircea_popescu	it's there.
14:44	ThickAsThieves	i personally find the rockminer thing to be rather shady
14:46	ThickAsThieves	he's essentially taking over what was supposed to be something AM does, which isnt horrible per se, sure AM wants to sell chips only, but why does he need all that money?
14:46	ThickAsThieves	he's been doing this for a while already right?
14:46	ThickAsThieves	if he is on the AM board, how is a fair price determined
14:46	benkay	!t h rent
14:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00532656 / 0.00562810 (207 shares, 1.10259731 BTC), 7D: 0.00520780 / 0.00542561 / 0.00567280 (2368 shares, 12.84784637 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555954 / 0.00900001 (49167 shares, 273.34604977 BTC)
14:46	ThickAsThieves	bewteen companies
14:47	ThickAsThieves	so you buy RM shares and then slowly get your money back via AM divs?
14:47	ThickAsThieves	etc
14:48	ThickAsThieves	i dont see why theyd sell shares other than to push loss onto the shareholders
14:48	mircea_popescu	oh it's one of those ?
14:49	ThickAsThieves	is it more than a PMB? is it any less exposed to diff increase than other mining?
14:49	ThickAsThieves	i dunno
14:50	dhenson	I agree TaT it seems shady to me as well... especially if AM ends up not mining anymore.
14:50	ThickAsThieves	will diff calm down this year?
14:50	ThickAsThieves	like AM has been mining of any note anyway...
14:50	dhenson	But with new chips... everyone assumed they would.
14:50	TomServo	.d
14:50	ozbot	5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1732 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.3513% in 10d 21h 32m 56s
14:51	ThickAsThieves	they would only mine themselves if it were more profitable than selling
14:51	dhenson	You'd think mining would be more profitable than $1/GH
14:51	ThickAsThieves	that situation only exists if diff growth flatlines right?
14:51	mircea_popescu	maybe
14:52	ThickAsThieves	i guess exchange rate is important too
14:52	dhenson	Makes me wonder if FC is one of the private investors with a portion of the 60k private shares.
14:53	ThickAsThieves	if not, other board members are likely to be
14:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
14:53	ThickAsThieves	https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/03/26/precaution-vanity-addresses/
14:53	ozbot	A Precaution on Vanity Addresses | Blockchain Blog
14:55	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/26/5550260/wu-tang-clan-will-only-sell-a-single-copy-of-their-new-album how long before it leaks?
14:55	ozbot	Wu-Tang Clan will only sell a single copy of their new album | The Verge
14:58	benkay	the girl is over her sickness
14:58	benkay	the apartment will now get cleaned
14:58	benkay	*fist pumps*
15:01	Mats_cd03	it is absolutely a money grab
15:01	Mats_cd03	the bottom is going to fall out at some point
15:01	Mats_cd03	you heard it here first
15:03	dhenson	So basically RM+AM = OLD AM?
15:03	mircea_popescu	so basically a rehash of the old "pirate pass through" scam
15:04	mircea_popescu	trying to push the looming hole on newbie "investors"
15:04	mircea_popescu	where's the overlord-padishah-grandking or w/e his name was
15:04	Mats_cd03	> padishah_emperor
15:14	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/ what's the story here ?
15:14	ozbot	BitBet - NeoBee Orphaned in 2014
15:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00281999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
15:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07288121 = 1.1661 BTC [+] {4}
15:20	adolf_fishler	http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz8kvfE46e1r7rf54.jpg
15:23	BingoBoingo	http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/003/7/d/terrifying_manul_by_zauberparacelsus-d4l62ks.png
15:23	BingoBoingo	https://global3.memecdn.com/Smart-manul_o_63783.jpg
15:26	pankkake	http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/02/fail-faster.html It is rare for a startup to admit it isn’t going to work out, and give some cash back to investors. […] A great application of prediction markets is to give better and clearer warnings of upcoming failure, to enable better mitigation, such as quitting.
15:30	mircea_popescu	pankkake definitely.
15:43	ThickAsThieves	"Male university students in North Korea must get the same haircut as their leader Kim Jong-un, reports say."
15:45	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
15:45	gribble	Current Blocks: 292609 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 1726 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5498440775.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.81813
15:50	TomServo	Either I forgot how to read a graph or gribble and ozbots' diff stats don't match sipa. What am I doing wrong?
15:51	ThickAsThieves	gribble uses strictly data since last change
15:51	ThickAsThieves	unless you use ;;estimate
15:51	ThickAsThieves	which will also give data based on last 3 days
15:52	ThickAsThieves	the differences are all likely in the chosen sample ranges
15:52	ThickAsThieves	"TSA recommends airports use armed guards during peak hours"
15:52	ThickAsThieves	so much work, just shoot em if youre fed up
15:58	mike_c	what, the tsa is going to repel an armed attack on the airport? please.
16:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11620 @ 0.00094474 = 10.9779 BTC [-]
16:04	mircea_popescu	TomServo nothing matches.
16:04	mircea_popescu	mike_c no, but they may accidentally shoot some grannies...
16:05	mircea_popescu	i think the us is optimised for involuntary humour these days.
16:06	mircea_popescu	"We accept most international and local credit and debit cards as well as PayPal. Flattr use Euro as its base currency, but it doesn’t matter what currency you use, we take care of the exchange."
16:06	mircea_popescu	o look at that. there's some sort of fiat competition to bitcoin etc.
16:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072877 = 0.1458 BTC [-]
16:17	bitcoinpete	http://www.circle.com/press-releases/circle-internet-financial-closes-17-million-series-b-financing/
16:18	bitcoinpete	"Circle is one of the first companies built from the ground up to provide financial products for consumers that harness the power of Bitcoin to enable faster transactions, lower costs, greater privacy safeguards and increased protection against fraud and identity theft while enabling more frictionless global economic activity and cross-border transactions. The company’s forthcoming products, which entered limited availability release today,
16:18	bitcoinpete	promise to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency easily, reducing much of the friction and risk that is currently associated with Bitcoin."
16:18	bitcoinpete	More VC noise
16:20	benkay	"to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency safe in the knowledge that their governments will be able to know everything about our customers without resorting to thermorectal cryptanalysis."
16:21	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete by now i can't separate the "from the ground up" automatism from the earlier linked retards.
16:23	bitcoinpete	experience in complying with high-level bureaucrats must count for something
16:25	mircea_popescu	hm.
16:25	mircea_popescu	if that were true most wikipedia editors would not be unemployed.
16:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.046 = 0.23 BTC [+]
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0559 = 0.2795 BTC [+]
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00281 = 0.267 BTC [-]
16:28	bitcoinpete	i thought they wiki authors were retired or semi-retired, like many here
16:28	bitcoinpete	*the
16:29	mike_c	who in here is retired?
16:29	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu:
16:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.046 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
16:30	mircea_popescu	i used to be retired
16:30	mircea_popescu	but i retired from it.
16:30	bitcoinpete	mike_c: surely there are those who don't have to work anymore, but choose to. i call that retired
16:31	bitcoinpete	i tried it as well. lasted about 2 weeks
16:31	asciilifeform	i think we have multiple 'weight classes' represented here.
16:31	bitcoinpete	boredom took hold
16:32	mike_c	i don't call running a 1m btc business retired, regardless of motivations.
16:32	bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: well there are at least 4 layers
16:32	asciilifeform	perhaps 5 if you count the vagrants
16:33	BingoBoingo	Prolly six if you count the people who aspire to be the vagrants
16:33	asciilifeform	who aspires to be vagrant?
16:33	mircea_popescu	mike_c i spent ~5 years or so in a tropical paradise doing... nothing.
16:33	TestingUnoDosTre	Nice... I'm getting bumped up to a vagrant?
16:34	thestringpuller	so mircea_popescu you are retired from being retired? so technically that would still make you retired?
16:34	mircea_popescu	would it ?
16:34	TestingUnoDosTre	no
16:34	mircea_popescu	i dunno how these nominalist things work.
16:34	asciilifeform	'retired' isn't a weight class.
16:34	thestringpuller	you are a retired retiree
16:34	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: 5?! that's dedication
16:35	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I imagine there must be still more destitute than the vagrants
16:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
16:36	mircea_popescu	prolly an overstatement, more like 3
16:36	bitcoinpete	still lots of time for literature
16:36	asciilifeform	ok let's try this. bottom: penniless urchin hounded by creditors. next: penniless urchin, or child, with zero net worth.
16:36	the20year3	Got the little cottage rented out, joy
16:37	asciilifeform	next: wretch who works a full shift with no internet connection...
16:37	mircea_popescu	urchin has creditors ? how ?
16:37	asciilifeform	next: lowly engineer (yours truly)
16:38	asciilifeform	next: elderly engineer or businessman with serious income, but mortgaged up the gills
16:38	bitcoinpete	http://www.entrepreneur.co.za/advice-from-the-youngest-self-made-female-billionaire-in-history/
16:38	ozbot	Advice From The Youngest Self-Made Female Billionaire in History | Entrepreneur.co.za
16:38	mircea_popescu	uh
16:38	asciilifeform	next: man of leisure, but bound to the land
16:39	asciilifeform	next: international man of leisure (mr p)
16:39	bitcoinpete	Highlights: 5) Hire people you like and trust >> Sounds like WoT to me. 7) You CAN figure it out – you have the ability.>> Right...
16:39	mircea_popescu	spax is not worth 1bn, and she doesn't own it all. wtf.
16:39	bitcoinpete	hirarious
16:40	mircea_popescu	dude chick's 40 and still running the gauntlet
16:40	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Sara_Blakely_at_2013_Time_100_Gala.jpg
16:40	mircea_popescu	sucks.
16:41	asciilifeform	'penniless urchin hounded by creditors' may be an anglo-world only phenomenon
16:41	asciilifeform	cross off where not applicable.
16:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you mean like, a dual php/grad student with no assets ?
16:41	asciilifeform	(perhaps it should be considered a sub-variety of medieval serf)
16:41	TestingUnoDosTre	wait wait wait. How is a lowly engineer below an elderly engineer or businessman that's mortgaged up to the gills
16:42	mircea_popescu	^
16:42	mircea_popescu	i agree, those two also seem reversed.
16:42	asciilifeform	the elderly engineer could take his next few salary cheques and run
16:42	asciilifeform	theoretically.
16:42	mircea_popescu	the kid could run as is
16:42	mircea_popescu	much less theoretical.
16:42	asciilifeform	if the kid could 'breathe vacuum', he would probably have run already.
16:42	mircea_popescu	kids CAN breathe vacuum
16:43	mircea_popescu	that they think they can't is what keeps society in order
16:43	rithm	i'm so confused right now
16:43	mircea_popescu	rithm most notable side effect of this chan
16:43	asciilifeform	'iso-standard' penniless kid typically relies on various social connections (blood relatives, chums) for survival
16:43	rithm	true dat
16:43	mircea_popescu	also known as http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90
16:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform easier to do in better countries
16:44	mircea_popescu	(which in this context means, non-anglo-saxon)
16:44	rithm	WHAT IN THE FUCK CAPS LOCK OH shit kids can't breathe in a vaccuum they turn dead
16:44	mircea_popescu	metaphorical kids, metaphorical vacuum, metaphorical breathing.
16:45	asciilifeform	rithm: understand 'breathe vacuum' as 'steal enough for a plane ticket and move to afghanistan'
16:45	rithm	if you had a jar and closed and sucked all of the air out
16:45	rithm	and you would call that a vacuum
16:45	rithm	but I would say nothing separates the jar
16:45	mircea_popescu	rithm if you took the average 16yo and paradroped them naked anywhere in the world,
16:45	mircea_popescu	they would live to be 18.
16:45	mircea_popescu	if you took the average 60 yo and paradropped them naked anywhere in the world, they would not live to be 65.
16:45	rithm	you give them 2 years
16:45	rithm	after being naked and alone
16:45	rithm	that's too many
16:46	asciilifeform	phun phact. every lab that uses mice has glue traps.
16:46	mircea_popescu	naked teenagers aren';t alone for long.
16:46	TestingUnoDosTre	I thought the quote was because people tend to speak here before thinking...
16:46	asciilifeform	and ~100% of dropped mice end in them
16:46	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre it's more of a +iq effect. just being here makes one smarter.
16:46	rithm	if the teenagers find drugs or soul crushing rules to live by they might make it
16:46	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: picture moving an average (male) u.s. suburban kid to... anywhere
16:47	rithm	the old people similarly will need drugs to survive
16:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he'll be fine.
16:47	mircea_popescu	just cry like a little bitch for a coupla weeks.
16:47	mircea_popescu	byt the time he's 50 however... he can no longer be fine. no matter what.
16:47	mircea_popescu	in this sense, i would say heroin addiction is a fine analogue.
16:47	asciilifeform	orlov had a neat piece on soviet 50yo middle manager suicides
16:48	mircea_popescu	the six months old chipper != the ten year old user.
16:56	TestingUnoDosTre	I tried looking for this orlov piece and all I could find is an entire Russian family that runs back 300 years, and some hockey player
16:56	asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: cluborlov.blogspot.com
16:57	asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century'
16:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05488041 = 0.5488 BTC [-] {4}
17:00	TestingUnoDosTre	Is this a better written form of that slide presentation someone posted yesterday?
17:00	asciilifeform	yes
17:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00094474 = 0.8975 BTC [-]
17:00	asciilifeform	http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml
17:00	ozbot	Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century
17:03	TestingUnoDosTre	found it, thanks
17:05	TestingUnoDosTre	Speaking of oil, anyone know who places that bet about january 15 oil futures?
17:05	mircea_popescu	iirc bitbet had sometrhing re wti
17:07	TestingUnoDosTre	that's what my question was: do you know who placed it?
17:10	mircea_popescu	nope.
17:11	benkay	kinda one of the features of bitbet, TestingUnoDosTre
17:11	benkay	the po
17:11	benkay	http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/a-business-idea/
17:11	ozbot	A Business Idea | Chateau Heartiste
17:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1122 @ 0.00013603 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {4}
17:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094474 = 3.779 BTC [-]
17:12	mircea_popescu	that domain is familiar
17:13	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: famous in the 'moldbug' set
17:13	mircea_popescu	nah i only heard of modlbug... hm. through you i tihnk
17:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2278 @ 0.00013001 = 0.2962 BTC [-] {5}
17:13	mircea_popescu	to my head he's very recent
17:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: linked to me once, a few years ago, describing as 'the moldbug of computing.' not sure if complement or curse.
17:14	mircea_popescu	hm
17:14	asciilifeform	he's one of the folks who write guides for axenic mice on how to emulate having an immune system.
17:14	asciilifeform	;;google manosphere
17:14	gribble	Viva La Manosphere! - Now updated hourly: <http://vivalamanosphere.com/>; Manosphere - Return Of Kings: <http://www.returnofkings.com/category/manosphere>; Manosphere | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/manosphere>
17:14	mircea_popescu	oh, is this some dood from the pua scene ?
17:15	asciilifeform	right
17:15	asciilifeform	moldbug isn't exactly recent (circa '07, afaik)
17:16	asciilifeform	when he mostly quit writing, his stuff was picked up and 'digested' by various people
17:16	asciilifeform	and 'popularized'
17:16	mircea_popescu	must be someone i mocked at some point but i don't recall specifics
17:16	mircea_popescu	(the heartiste thing i mean)
17:17	asciilifeform	it's mockable, but you gotta understand where it came from
17:17	asciilifeform	;;google scanners live in vain
17:17	gribble	Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Literature/Scanners Live in Vain - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ScannersLiveInVain>
17:18	asciilifeform	it's interesting how, after many years of talmudic sophistry, the 'pua' folks arrived at their current technological state of the art: buying a plane ticket out of the u.s.
17:19	mircea_popescu	generally mockery is distinct from execution.
17:19	mircea_popescu	i don't mock with an intent to murder.
17:20	dignork	asciilifeform, btw thank you for refernce to moldbug, his texts are pretty amusing
17:31	BingoBoingo	;;google trilema heartiste
17:31	gribble	Ideological Space - Outside in: <http://www.xenosystems.net/ideological-space/>; Is Game Making Women Overconfident? - Roosh V: <http://www.rooshv.com/is-game-making-women-overconfident>; 'Outreach' Open Thread | Handle's Haus: <http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/outreach-open-thread/>
17:32	BingoBoingo	I'll dig up the Trilema article
17:34	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you sure you read it there ?
17:34	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I know you mocked it and linked it.
17:34	BingoBoingo	I think it was fall 2013?
17:34	mircea_popescu	aha!
17:34	mircea_popescu	so i'm not entirely deluded here.
17:36	BingoBoingo	Maybe a simple minded psychopath, but damned if you are deluded
17:36	mircea_popescu	lol
17:37	moiety	hihi
17:37	moiety	MOTD (manul of the day) http://wall4all.me/walls/animals/cats-manul-wildcat-1009019-1600x1067.jpg
17:37	moiety	that needs photoshopped into something immense
17:40	TestingUnoDosTre	what is pua?
17:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07001259 = 0.6301 BTC [-] {2}
17:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04761666 = 0.5714 BTC [+] {4}
17:44	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/apparently-im-not-the-only-one-pointing-out-the-obvious/
17:45	mircea_popescu	o hey good catch
17:45	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre pick up artistry
17:46	TestingUnoDosTre	hmph. That's what I got from das google, but thought it somehow didn't fit
17:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00451599 = 0.1355 BTC [-] {4}
17:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00094474 = 5.2244 BTC [-]
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18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00280924 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {2}
18:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.01637999 = 0.4423 BTC [+]
18:23	kakobrekla	;;seen davout
18:23	gribble	davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <davout> bah
18:23	kakobrekla	;;later tell davout ping
18:23	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288995 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
18:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.002839 = 0.2527 BTC [+]
18:44	BingoBoingo	The real prize in Crimea http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140326/188762672/Crimean-Military-Dolphins-to-Serve-in-Russian-Navy.html
18:47	mike_c	have no fear americans, we're on it. "The facility is one of only two such combat dolphin training centers in the world, the other is run by the US Navy in San Diego."
18:47	joecool	BingoBoingo: oh same ones with the knives and pistols attached to their heads?
18:47	BingoBoingo	joecool: Does it matter?
18:48	joecool	BingoBoingo: well the US lost a bunch with toxic dart guns attached some years back
18:48	BingoBoingo	Well, things happen
18:50	mircea_popescu	lol
18:50	mircea_popescu	poor dolphins
18:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
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18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
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19:18	qwebirc1010269	asciilifeform that was a good read, but I'm unsure of how quickly this whole US default will occur
19:20	TestingUnoDosTre	lost my username for a moment there http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml
19:20	moiety	combat dolphins?! sort of useless when they get distracted and go off on year long gang rapes
19:24	mircea_popescu	moiety i thought it was the goats with the gang rapes
19:24	tg2	dat context
19:24	TestingUnoDosTre	yah a year long gang rape? Dolphins copulate in like microseconds
19:25	mircea_popescu	afaik dolphins copulate like most other mammals
19:25	moiety	no, they group together and imprison a lone female for months at a time, taking it in turns
19:25	mircea_popescu	(which is to say, the male merely inserts the penis, and the female milks it)
19:25	mircea_popescu	makes rape a tenuous proposition.
19:25	moiety	its not the length of time they take, its the length of time they keep doing it
19:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
19:27	tg2	dolphins are the only species to copulate more frequently than your mom.
19:27	mircea_popescu	http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/542-kwekwe-man-finds-goats-having-sex-beats-up-male-one-rapes-female-one.html
19:28	mircea_popescu	23yo widower.
19:28	nubbins`	wreckhouse area of newfoundland set a wind speed record earlier this evening, 183km/h
19:28	tg2	stop you're making fox jealous
19:29	moiety	its an authority and territorial thing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9172937/Dolphins-resort-to-rape.html
19:29	mircea_popescu	http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/210-jealous-silobela-man-finds-donkeys-having-sex-kills-the-male-one.html
19:29	mircea_popescu	(mostly for pic of aroused donkey and hilarious copy)
19:30	moiety	err who to the goat rape pic?!
19:30	tg2	those are some solid english writing skills
19:30	moiety	took*
19:30	moiety	ffs poor donkey
19:31	Duffer1	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21foj9/funds_currently_being_stolen_from_vanity/
19:31	joecool	mircea_popescu: you ever consider a tabloid-style sister site of trilema? "Writing dumb shit for the masses"
19:31	nubbins`	Duffer1 imagine
19:31	Duffer1	hehe
19:32	joecool	mircea_popescu: stupid people often don't have money though, have to fund it with very invasive ads
19:32	mircea_popescu	joecool nah, too much work.
19:32	moiety	there's plenty sites that even just collect the shit from other sites of crap anyways
19:32	joecool	mircea_popescu: get other people write it?
19:32	joecool	*to write
19:33	mircea_popescu	well... you do it then ?
19:33	tg2	lol using 3rd parties to generate your private key
19:33	tg2	solid
19:33	nubbins`	^
19:33	tg2	instant-e.com still scaming away
19:33	moiety	i'mmaking a completely useless site for my own benefit re my new obsession (blame asciilifeform)
19:33	tg2	makes me want to spam online wallet sites and just steal everybodies coins
19:33	tg2	like them
19:33	joecool	mircea_popescu: too much work, I already have other writers on those sort of projects
19:34	mircea_popescu	lol
19:34	tg2	#1 google result for "litecoin online wallet", extended validation SSL cert
19:34	tg2	straight up just stealing them lol
19:34	tg2	5 months of "I GOT SCAMMED BY INSTANT-E.COM" threads everywhere
19:34	mircea_popescu	moiety what is your new, stan-induced obsession ?
19:34	moiety	manuls!
19:34	mircea_popescu	tg2 bfl is stillaround...
19:34	nubbins`	heh
19:34	tg2	can't say i'm mad
19:34	tg2	if anything I'm probably jealous
19:34	mike_c	joecool: isn't that bitcointalk?
19:34	moiety	all i need to make my life complete is a manul + laser pic
19:35	tg2	i tracked somebody who said they got scammed, followed the coins, went into a wallet with 17,000 LTC
19:35	tg2	for 1 month of transactions
19:35	joecool	mike_c: i have some shit standards
19:35	tg2	all source transactions were from nov
19:35	mircea_popescu	lambo on its way
19:35	tg2	dude is in china
19:35	tg2	i hunted him down
19:35	tg2	clown had his old software site hosted on the same ip before
19:36	tg2	threatened to reveal him if he didn't pay me 50ltc bounty
19:36	tg2	he did
19:37	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.360
19:37	mircea_popescu	some moar cog drama. kakobrekla ^
19:37	mircea_popescu	as far as i recall, about a week before disappearing, nefario froze goat'
19:38	mircea_popescu	s "assets" in a rather similar fashion
19:38	mircea_popescu	(goat was at the time running the more obviously fraudulent, highest volume shit glbse was listing)
19:38	tg2	" Why is the site off line SO OFTEN Huh "
19:38	tg2	dat webscale
19:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05428002 = 0.5428 BTC [-] {3}
19:40	tg2	cloudflare pls
19:40	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg5917682#msg5917682
19:40	ozbot	[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR
19:40	mircea_popescu	check that shit out. i remember the days the counter was... you know... xmas. http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/
19:41	BingoBoingo	moiety:
19:41	BingoBoingo	http://www.memecenter.com/fun/1513719/manul-the-cat-on-holiday
19:41	ozbot	Manul The Cat On Holiday by badratio - Meme Center
19:42	nubbins`	good ol' havelock
19:42	nubbins`	home of the legitimate fund
19:43	moiety	BingoBoingo: bahahaha that's epic. i love how they all have that "fuck off" face
19:47	B007	tg2: 50 ltc lol
19:47	tg2	2 emails and 20 minutes of sleuthing
19:48	tg2	$2700/hr
19:48	tg2	if I really wanted to get paid
19:48	tg2	I'd have his hosting pulled
19:48	tg2	hosting at softlayer like a true cheapskate
19:48	B007	what do you do irl
19:48	tg2	sleuth
19:49	tg2	I am an angel vc
19:49	tg2	you?
19:49	B007	student
19:49	B007	nothing
19:49	tg2	cool, keep at it
19:49	B007	depends
19:49	tg2	build something cool
19:49	tg2	post it in here, have it shot down, collect yourself, settle into a career of tech support
19:50	tg2	thats the best advice I can give
19:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2998 @ 0.00280679 = 8.4148 BTC [-] {3}
19:50	B007	tech support? im in cs
19:50	tg2	spot on
19:51	tg2	darkcoin 3x coming in the next 2 weeks
19:51	tg2	calling it now
19:52	nubbins`	[21:20:18] <B007> tech support? im in cs <<< that's why he said it ;D
19:52	kakobrekla	you slanderous soul you mp.
19:53	mircea_popescu	tg2 angel vc where ?
19:53	kakobrekla	its but a scratch.
19:53	tg2	everywhere
19:53	tg2	im in montreal
19:53	tg2	but I like to spread my seed around
19:53	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "it's but a flesh wound"
19:53	B007	http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=darkcoin
19:53	ozbot	Google Trends
19:53	B007	wut
19:53	kakobrekla	yea yea
19:53	tg2	yeah, darkcoin is not a bad idea right now
19:53	tg2	what do you do mircea_popescu
19:53	mircea_popescu	fun factoid : my rift guild cosnsiting of ~1000 teenagers also somehow magically contains half a dozen of "special agents" in "bruxels"
19:54	mircea_popescu	at least if you believe what they say in chat.
19:54	mircea_popescu	tg2 i run game guilds.
19:54	B007	lel
19:54	tg2	better than being a student with nothing to their name
19:54	tg2	aye
19:54	moiety	mew benkay
19:54	mircea_popescu	i have endless piles of platinum, gold and other game currencies
19:54	tg2	quite the game
19:55	tg2	I hope you're winning at it
19:55	B007	he also has endless piles of irl money
19:55	B007	in case you didnt know
19:55	mircea_popescu	im in it for the social justice aspect.
19:55	tg2	not so different from game money
19:55	benkay	allo mon manul
19:55	benkay	mah?
19:55	*	moiety wonders why there is no manul game; goes to find game dev
19:55	benkay	hey mircea_popescu what's the correct posessive there
19:55	mircea_popescu	mein
19:56	mircea_popescu	mein mehnuler
19:56	mircea_popescu	(allo maman nulle ?)
19:57	tg2	mon = french
19:57	tg2	mah = black
19:57	mircea_popescu	;;google mon mec a moi, il me port'en voiture
19:57	gribble	Les blagues - Restena: <http://w3.restena.lu/primaire/mondorf/altwies/5e97_98/5e_travaux/blagues.html>; Le couteau et la loi - LaToileScoute: <http://www.latoilescoute.net/le-couteau-et-la-loi>; Miroir dis moi qui sont les vrais, Dis-moi dis-moi.. – Dolce Vita: <http://rapgenius.com/1321974/Lacrim-dolce-vita/Miroir-dis-moi-qui-sont-les-vrais-dis-moi-dis-moi-qui-sont-les- (1 more message)
19:57	mircea_popescu	hm
19:58	benkay	manul a moi
19:58	tg2	my boi, brings me in a car?
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62703977 = 3.1352 BTC [+] {3}
19:58	mircea_popescu	i guess nobody is from the 70s.
19:59	nubbins`	close, '82
19:59	benkay	old men.
19:59	tg2	not at that advanced state of age
19:59	cazalla	B007: google trends is misleading, add litecoin so you can see the trend relative to another keyword
19:59	benkay	old, well-capitalized men.
19:59	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWcSEaEyR8
19:59	ozbot	Patricia Kaas - Mon Mec A Moi - YouTube
19:59	tg2	darkcoin actually adds some value
19:59	tg2	not liek every other shitcoin I've seen in the last 3 months
19:59	moiety	and women>> '84
20:00	tg2	I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins
20:00	tg2	75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins
20:00	mircea_popescu	and new consortiums
20:00	tg2	meta rejection
20:00	tg2	who consorts the consortiums
20:00	tg2	srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin
20:00	tg2	i'm going to lose it
20:00	tg2	and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part
20:01	benkay	didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!
20:01	*	moiety typed before that bit :P
20:02	mircea_popescu	she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited.
20:02	tg2	if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP
20:02	moiety	never say never! on both counts lol
20:02	benkay	practice makes perfect.
20:02	tg2	or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies
20:04	B007	you can spoof those
20:04	B007	easily
20:04	cazalla	tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading
20:04	tg2	sorry, to what are you referring cazalla
20:05	cazalla	tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007
20:05	tg2	no.
20:05	tg2	but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things
20:05	moiety	i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me
20:05	tg2	1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs
20:06	tg2	2: darksend is an actual feature
20:06	blackwhite	evening gents
20:06	tg2	its not just a copy of another coin
20:06	tg2	not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal
20:06	tg2	eventually people will catch on
20:06	tg2	and it will be popular
20:07	tg2	coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it
20:07	tg2	means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america
20:07	tg2	and scrypt asics become more prolific
20:07	tg2	just my 2c
20:07	cazalla	seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh
20:07	tg2	i have $50k in them
20:07	tg2	I have 400 gpus mining
20:07	B007	that is why you must promote it
20:07	tg2	none in milk crates
20:07	B007	lolz
20:08	tg2	they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours
20:08	tg2	a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin
20:08	B007	remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan
20:08	*	nubbins` yawns
20:08	nubbins`	i'd better buy them all now
20:09	tg2	good luck
20:09	moiety	B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet
20:09	nubbins`	i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump
20:09	asciilifeform	fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats.
20:09	mircea_popescu	i don't get it, "Half the power"
20:09	tg2	better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins
20:09	mircea_popescu	half as compared to what.
20:09	tg2	compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt
20:09	benkay	derp coins?
20:10	tg2	you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power
20:10	benkay	tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.
20:10	nubbins`	heh
20:10	benkay	the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.
20:10	moiety	asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now
20:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009316 = 8.4776 BTC [-]
20:10	tg2	benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned
20:10	tg2	only price per coin
20:10	tg2	which is all I'm concerned with for now
20:10	nubbins`	so if it uses half the power
20:10	asciilifeform	;;lolcat
20:10	gribble	Error: "lolcat" is not a valid command.
20:10	benkay	that fluctuates with market action.
20:10	nubbins`	actually, i don't even
20:10	tg2	apparently not
20:11	moiety	;; manul
20:11	gribble	Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
20:11	moiety	gribble, it needs to be
20:11	benkay	;;gettrust tg2
20:11	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never
20:11	benkay	o ok
20:11	tg2	can't has trust
20:11	*	benkay goes back to derpy value deliving
20:11	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?
20:12	nubbins`	Manuldanos
20:12	moiety	^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping
20:12	asciilifeform	moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for.
20:12	tg2	https://twitter.com/Manuls
20:12	ozbot	Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter
20:12	tg2	lol
20:12	tg2	what a fortunate twitter handle
20:13	tg2	I wonder if he knows of it's provenance
20:13	cazalla	tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?
20:14	tg2	answering that would be stupid
20:14	tg2	but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare
20:14	tg2	there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on
20:15	tg2	it is better at some
20:15	moiety	asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg
20:15	cazalla	well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is
20:15	tg2	let me curate a list for you
20:15	moiety	well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks
20:15	tg2	right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers
20:16	tg2	is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?
20:16	cazalla	do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?
20:17	tg2	anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months
20:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
20:18	cazalla	i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway
20:18	tg2	may your ignorance lead you to profit
20:19	nubbins`	heh.
20:19	mircea_popescu	well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ?
20:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093878 = 5.0694 BTC [+]
20:19	BingoBoingo	Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.
20:19	tg2	it is an altcoin
20:19	mircea_popescu	yes, but i mean the altcoin
20:19	BingoBoingo	https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
20:19	ozbot	X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
20:20	nubbins`	this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles
20:20	tg2	it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply
20:20	mircea_popescu	nubbins` or without words :D
20:20	BingoBoingo	tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin
20:20	nubbins`	XD
20:20	tg2	that is meta
20:20	nubbins`	i've got about $0k in atc
20:21	mircea_popescu	still above 100 ?!
20:21	mircea_popescu	bam, atc beats all forum investments lol.
20:21	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much
20:21	nubbins`	guess i should've added some decimals
20:21	mircea_popescu	it's been stable for what, 3 months now ?
20:21	nubbins`	roughly $0.00k
20:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance
20:21	tg2	that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.
20:22	moiety	manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it
20:22	nubbins`	^
20:22	nubbins`	manulcoin
20:22	nubbins`	would buy
20:22	tg2	strong investment
20:22	nubbins`	and hodl
20:22	mircea_popescu	manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.
20:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.10144642 = 2.3333 BTC [-]
20:22	mircea_popescu	because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".
20:22	tg2	so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin
20:23	tg2	either created or not
20:23	nubbins`	sort of like Palmela
20:23	mircea_popescu	that one too
20:23	mircea_popescu	not as popular.
20:23	dignork	tg2, darkcoin is funny enough
20:23	moiety	mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"
20:24	nubbins`	actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"
20:24	mircea_popescu	lol
20:24	mircea_popescu	"i meant, where is my cousin susie"
20:24	nubbins`	dude you know susie from canada!?
20:25	moiety	lolol
20:26	moiety	i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off
20:26	BingoBoingo	tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series
20:27	moiety	"fuck this - back to the chinchillas"
20:27	mircea_popescu	moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process
20:27	BingoBoingo	That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas
20:28	moiety	mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?
20:28	moiety	lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already
20:29	BingoBoingo	moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission
20:29	moiety	fair point, we need to catch one first though
20:30	nubbins`	set out a cardboard box
20:30	nubbins`	http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cat-traps-aka-boxes.jpg
20:30	moiety	LOL
20:31	nubbins`	http://www.the-crazy-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mini-Cat-Trap.jpg ;(
20:31	tg2	just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild
20:31	tg2	check for key repeat events
20:32	moiety	lol
20:32	moiety	that cat: fuck you , im in the box
20:32	tg2	Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.
20:33	moiety	i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet
20:36	moiety	unlike that guy, who folded after being super-trolled http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/senator-who-called-for-a-us-ban-on-bitcoin-now-backs-off-a-bit/
20:37	tg2	anybody here from montreal?
20:37	tg2	Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.
20:38	benkay	couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin
20:38	BingoBoingo	tg2: You realize that happens here too
20:38	tg2	BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet
20:38	tg2	give me some time
20:38	tg2	I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after
20:38	benkay	no honor in that
20:38	benkay	rip 'em to their face.
20:38	benkay	make them explain their 'business models'.
20:38	tg2	That's what the drinks are for
20:39	tg2	I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are
20:39	tg2	lol
20:39	tg2	over and over
20:39	tg2	until they realize they have no assets
20:39	benkay	of course they don't they're tech startups
20:39	benkay	kinda stupid approach
20:39	tg2	then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)
20:39	tg2	as thats pretty much the value of an idea
20:40	nubbins`	tg2 are you from montreal originally
20:40	tg2	no
20:40	tg2	I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile
20:41	tg2	montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about
20:41	tg2	toronto is happening now
20:41	tg2	as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring
20:41	tg2	3 notable startups per year
20:41	tg2	2.8 of them flop
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00093283 = 16.3245 BTC [-]
20:42	tg2	we have, and you can count them on one hand
20:43	tg2	about 4 startups that you may have heard of
20:43	tg2	if you follow the startup scene closely
20:43	tg2	lol
20:43	tg2	http://builtinmtl.com/
20:44	benkay	isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?
20:44	benkay	freshbooks or summat?
20:44	tg2	it looks like a template on themeforest
20:44	tg2	passwordbox
20:44	benkay	startups are responsive templates, tg2
20:44	tg2	at our "incubator"
20:44	Mats_cd03	nice buzzword placement bros
20:44	tg2	there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor
20:44	tg2	lol
20:45	tg2	each on their own
20:45	tg2	obviously
20:45	tg2	we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money
20:46	tg2	montreal is home to the biggest porn company online
20:46	tg2	that is pretty much our most successful web company
20:46	tg2	(and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)
20:47	tg2	here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"
20:47	tg2	i wish
20:47	tg2	Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.
20:47	tg2	holy fuck where do I sign
20:47	Mats_cd03	lol
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
20:48	Mats_cd03	understand intents? have all of the money
20:48	tg2	when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find
20:48	tg2	and make it a success
20:48	tg2	as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution
20:49	benkay	so hey everyone
20:49	benkay	a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need
20:49	Mats_cd03	and thats why youre poor tg2
20:49	tg2	so poor
20:49	benkay	don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip
20:49	benkay	it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand
20:50	tg2	lol
20:50	benkay	just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions
20:50	tg2	yeah that copyright symbol
20:50	tg2	stands on it's own
20:50	tg2	no need for actual IP protection
20:50	tg2	just slap that baby on
20:50	tg2	ready to raise some capital
20:50	benkay	ugh people raising capital
20:50	tg2	wow hey there's another gem on here
20:50	benkay	if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon
20:51	tg2	"ZeroGox.com"
20:51	tg2	"Hosted MtGox trading bot"
20:51	tg2	loll
20:51	benkay	old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.
20:51	tg2	fortune 500 here we come
20:51	tg2	good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's
20:51	tg2	I'm the 80's gen
20:51	tg2	we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths
20:52	benkay	you do contract dev, tg2?
20:52	tg2	no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects
20:52	tg2	and I invest in about 2-3 external projects
20:52	tg2	I don't do contract development, haven't for years
20:52	benkay	and you fell for an altcoin scam?!
20:53	tg2	yeah poor me right!
20:53	tg2	i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis
20:53	tg2	which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis
20:53	tg2	sold at 281
20:53	Mats_cd03	r u ballin now?
20:53	cazalla	much profit
20:53	tg2	for 50btc worth
20:53	tg2	now i'm sitting on a lot of doge
20:53	benkay	well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.
20:53	tg2	and I hate doge
20:53	tg2	but if I sell it, it will crash doge
20:53	tg2	wat do
20:53	benkay	uh
20:54	benkay	don't derp with altcoins?
20:54	Mats_cd03	no dark pools? how bout -otc?
20:54	cazalla	sounds like first one to sell winsd
20:54	tg2	anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans
20:54	tg2	gnite
20:54	BingoBoingo	Crash Doge? For the lulz?
20:54	tg2	sell 90m doge
20:54	tg2	see how hard it falls?
20:54	tg2	pretty hard
20:54	benkay	yeah crash it for teh lulz
20:54	tg2	could yeah
20:54	tg2	but not much in it for me to do that
20:54	tg2	lol
20:55	tg2	it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down
20:55	BingoBoingo	tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers
20:55	tg2	had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours
20:55	tg2	they sponsored a nascar team
20:55	benkay	those illiquid markets
20:55	tg2	asking me to help
20:55	tg2	i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team
20:55	tg2	for 1 race
20:55	tg2	solid investment champs
20:56	BingoBoingo	Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis
20:57	tg2	its all about dark
20:57	tg2	i wish there was more volume
20:57	tg2	anyway, play money - easy come easy go
20:57	benkay	you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.
20:57	tg2	i like to spend my coins
20:58	benkay	last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone
20:58	benkay	lolzolozozolollolzozl
20:59	moiety	christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.
20:59	benkay	what's today's drama moiety?
21:00	moiety	tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*
21:00	moiety	benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol
21:00	benkay	much kek
21:02	tg2	i had too much doge
21:02	tg2	so i bought darkcoin
21:02	tg2	whats not to understand
21:02	tg2	which part are you having trouble with
21:02	tg2	look closer if you can't see the logic
21:02	*	moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it
21:02	wao-ender	yay startups
21:02	moiety	if you hated the first experience so much....
21:02	tg2	i hated making money
21:02	wao-ender	tg2: top3 startups from montreal
21:02	tg2	it was really maddening for me
21:03	tg2	i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins
21:03	tg2	and then it went 6x in like 3 days
21:03	tg2	and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride
21:03	tg2	i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline
21:03	tg2	and all altcoins
21:03	tg2	but alas, fucking doggers
21:03	wao-ender	very rich
21:03	*	moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw
21:04	tg2	> asks question
21:04	tg2	> gets answer
21:04	tg2	> answer is satisfactory
21:04	tg2	> shitpost that it was rhetorical
21:04	moiety	are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?
21:04	tg2	> pwhew saved my ass on that one
21:04	*	jadne looks at moiety
21:05	moiety	can i help you jadne?
21:06	tg2	wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa
21:06	tg2	we had a decent one called 5by
21:06	tg2	but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon
21:06	jadne	moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.
21:06	tg2	as all startups in this shit hole do
21:06	benkay	what's up, jadne?
21:06	wao-ender	passwordmanager?
21:06	wao-ender	c'mon
21:06	wao-ender	so last decade
21:06	tg2	yeah thats what i said!
21:06	jadne	benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?
21:07	tg2	i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand
21:07	tg2	lol
21:07	benkay	well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.
21:07	benkay	perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt
21:07	*	jadne checks her acunt
21:07	jadne	nope
21:07	wao-ender	lagoa looks cheesy
21:08	benkay	everything kosher down south?
21:08	jadne	as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.
21:08	benkay	it takes more than a look, jadne
21:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00093878 = 15.0205 BTC [+]
21:08	jadne	there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy
21:08	benkay	oh the talmud is complex
21:08	benkay	requires a professional etc
21:09	*	jadne nods
21:09	benkay	moiety: is this one yours?
21:09	moiety	not guilty!
21:10	benkay	how came ye by -assets, jadne?
21:10	jadne	i forget who i was stalking.
21:10	jadne	maybe @aantonop
21:10	benkay	<-- professional cunstultant
21:10	benkay	cuntsultant
21:10	benkay	cunt sultan!
21:10	jadne	and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with
21:11	benkay	har the assettes? reasonable?
21:11	jadne	ha
21:11	jadne	compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?
21:11	jadne	yeah.
21:11	BingoBoingo	Is @aantonop ever ehre?
21:11	jadne	the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places
21:11	jadne	BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no
21:12	TestingUnoDosTre	whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?
21:12	cazalla	i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast
21:13	benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start
21:15	moiety	benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp*
21:16	benkay	i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D
21:16	moiety	lololol
21:16	jadne	truth.
21:17	benkay	but it's not all about you, moiety
21:17	benkay	sheesh
21:17	jadne	heh
21:18	moiety	ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag
21:19	benkay	now now i'm playing along
21:20	moiety	ik that ;P
21:21	BingoBoingo	Odds look out of alignment here http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
21:21	moiety	now where did i put that duct tape....
21:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009381 = 21.717 BTC [-] {2}
21:22	benkay	oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?
21:23	moiety	i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....
21:23	*	benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.
21:23	moiety	lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/
21:24	BingoBoingo	moiety: Go for it
21:24	moiety	england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though
21:25	moiety	this could skew my betting
21:27	moiety	quite amazed its so high on no
21:27	moiety	oh its only 1:1
21:27	BingoBoingo	Yeah, just starting bets
21:29	benkay	so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks
21:33	benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/
21:33	ozbot	BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
21:33	BingoBoingo	sounds about right
21:33	benkay	this one has some steel behind it:
21:33	benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/775/iron-ore-62-fe-cfr-china-tsi-jan/
21:33	ozbot	BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
21:34	benkay	vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo
21:35	TestingUnoDosTre	surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more...
21:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00270796 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {8}
21:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00283797 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}
21:39	MisterE	Note name of author: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf --> http://i.imgur.com/8reXviD.jpg
21:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00283798 = 0.8968 BTC [+] {2}
21:42	benkay	i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do
21:42	benkay	hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life
21:42	jadne	ha
21:42	jadne	that would be kind of cool
21:42	jadne	i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)
21:43	MisterE	xD
21:47	benkay	moiety: i know you like teh kittehs but check out this gorgeous mutt: http://imgur.com/kGFjsOt
21:48	benkay	(and his dong)
21:48	TestingUnoDosTre	on his dong8
21:49	pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu
21:49	ozbot	Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:51	benkay	my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet
21:51	benkay	he's losing his shit
21:51	moiety	benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour
21:51	TestingUnoDosTre	MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end
21:52	benkay	moiety: brindles are beautiful.
21:52	benkay	baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next
21:52	MisterE	boy that Frozen movie was nonsense
21:53	moiety	brindle is gorgeous i think
21:53	moiety	MisterE: why you watching frozen?!
21:53	MisterE	yea the girl looked nice
21:53	MisterE	ThickAsThieves told me
21:54	moiety	but they sing in it *shudders
21:54	moiety	wow was the wikipedia made with permission??
21:54	MisterE	dunno i always imdb
21:55	TestingUnoDosTre	for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.
21:55	moiety	no i was ref above lol
21:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00616867 = 0.2467 BTC [+] {4}
21:56	MisterE	that mutt looks mutty
21:56	MisterE	though that is a pretty smart breed iirc
21:57	ThickAsThieves	<moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think
21:57	jadne	i liked frozen. a lot. :p
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0554 = 0.277 BTC [+]
21:58	moiety	I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves
21:58	ThickAsThieves	MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen
21:58	ThickAsThieves	but I do appreciate it nonetheless
21:58	mircea_popescu	o look at how famous i am now.
21:59	ThickAsThieves	How Famous Are You Now?
21:59	MisterE	wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu
21:59	MisterE	better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol
21:59	ThickAsThieves	oh the wiki
21:59	MisterE	nice work on the public corruption bit
22:00	mircea_popescu	tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.
22:00	MisterE	yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched
22:00	moiety	i see the 2010 one now
22:01	MisterE	mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?
22:01	MisterE	yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front
22:01	MisterE	there are other frozen titles
22:02	mircea_popescu	MisterE it's complicated, of course.
22:03	MisterE	how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?
22:03	pankkake	or it's a good way to raise funds
22:03	MisterE	heh fair point
22:03	pankkake	though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't
22:04	mircea_popescu	MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.
22:04	mircea_popescu	before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.
22:04	MisterE	no I know foss projects need ongoing financing
22:04	mircea_popescu	way of the world.
22:04	TestingUnoDosTre	and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?
22:04	mircea_popescu	so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.
22:05	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.
22:05	MisterE	alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them
22:05	mircea_popescu	as if cocks now suck themselves or something.
22:05	MisterE	you're not dummy
22:06	MisterE	WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?
22:06	mircea_popescu	so who's jadne ?
22:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00093878 = 8.8245 BTC [+]
22:07	jadne	mircea_popescu: er
22:07	jadne	i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe
22:07	mircea_popescu	cool.
22:07	MisterE	o/
22:08	jadne	but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window
22:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.
22:09	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre:
22:09	mircea_popescu	whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname
22:09	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?
22:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp
22:10	BingoBoingo	Ah
22:10	MisterE	TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git
22:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093493 = 5.0486 BTC [-]
22:10	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu#Mircea_Popescu
22:10	ozbot	Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:10	MisterE	did you do that BingoBoingo ?
22:10	BingoBoingo	MisterE: Do what?
22:11	MisterE	theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too
22:11	MisterE	the wiki page on MP
22:11	BingoBoingo	Nah,
22:11	mircea_popescu	lol some massive trollage there huh.
22:11	BingoBoingo	MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"
22:11	mircea_popescu	your handiwork ?
22:11	MisterE	hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.
22:11	BingoBoingo	My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest
22:11	BingoBoingo	in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"
22:12	mircea_popescu	jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.
22:12	*	jadne has an alias for gpg -sear
22:12	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mircea_Popescu
22:12	ozbot	Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:13	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked
22:13	pankkake	pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page
22:13	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.
22:13	pankkake	it's like half of the active editors are deleters
22:13	mircea_popescu	heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive
22:13	mircea_popescu	maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.
22:14	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag
22:14	TestingUnoDosTre	it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling
22:14	pankkake	well it wasn't like that before
22:14	mircea_popescu	i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.
22:14	mircea_popescu	or w/e it is.
22:15	BingoBoingo	Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious
22:15	mircea_popescu	i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?
22:15	BingoBoingo	Prolly
22:16	BingoBoingo	Looky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Amir_Taaki
22:16	mircea_popescu	lmao
22:17	mircea_popescu	ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry.
22:17	BingoBoingo	Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article
22:17	mircea_popescu	i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.
22:17	mircea_popescu	waiot and there's a reddit ?!
22:18	jadne	mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced
22:18	jadne	the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite
22:18	jadne	wrrrrrite
22:18	mircea_popescu	the taaki thing ?
22:18	mircea_popescu	you have got to be kidding me.
22:19	jadne	oh, derp
22:19	jadne	disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article
22:19	jadne	we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking
22:19	BingoBoingo	I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki
22:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15493 @ 0.00093878 = 14.5445 BTC [+]
22:19	mircea_popescu	all art is feigning.
22:19	benkay	and piracy
22:20	BingoBoingo	So is all sport
22:20	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?
22:20	TestingUnoDosTre	like S.NSA
22:20	mircea_popescu	stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.
22:20	TestingUnoDosTre	on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001
22:21	mircea_popescu	you mean on mpex ?
22:21	TestingUnoDosTre	but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end
22:21	TestingUnoDosTre	yes
22:21	TestingUnoDosTre	stock purchasing, IPO funding
22:21	mircea_popescu	there was only one round in s.nsa.
22:22	TestingUnoDosTre	What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices
22:22	TestingUnoDosTre	is that not considered multiple rounds?
22:22	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340311
22:22	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
22:22	BingoBoingo	Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.
22:22	mircea_popescu	that was the announcement
22:22	TestingUnoDosTre	that's the page I'm looking at
22:22	TestingUnoDosTre	whats with all the data in the top right?
22:23	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013#351229
22:23	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
22:23	mircea_popescu	that was the ipo.
22:23	TestingUnoDosTre	errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for
22:23	mircea_popescu	at the top right ? you mean the book ?
22:23	mircea_popescu	$depth s.nsa
22:23	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.NSA Bids: ['80 @ 0.000111', '100 @ 0.000101', '10000 @ 0.0001', '1957 @ 0.0001', '20000 @ 9.851e-05']
22:23	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['7241 @ 0.000156', '5000 @ 0.00016', '10000 @ 0.00018', '35600 @ 0.00021', '140000 @ 0.000215']
22:23	mircea_popescu	that stuff ?
22:23	TestingUnoDosTre	yeah
22:23	mircea_popescu	that's the book.
22:23	TestingUnoDosTre	ooook
22:23	pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amir_Taaki&diff=566099557&oldid=566097405
22:24	ozbot	Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:24	mircea_popescu	no fucking way ?!
22:24	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3066.0 < actually legit ?
22:24	ozbot	Erotic chat by Skype
22:24	TestingUnoDosTre	so all IPO shares were bought at .0001?
22:25	mircea_popescu	"these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."
22:25	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre well yes.
22:26	benkay	just voice chat?
22:26	benkay	wackness.
22:26	mircea_popescu	i wonder if it was him doing voices ?
22:26	mircea_popescu	"Occupationchairman, Bitcoin Consultancy"
22:26	TestingUnoDosTre	lol
22:26	mircea_popescu	you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.
22:28	BingoBoingo	Ofc
22:28	BingoBoingo	This seems familiar https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chronic_Troll_Syndrome
22:29	bitcoinpete	i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:
22:29	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/
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22:29	ozbot	The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete
22:29	TestingUnoDosTre	okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?
22:29	benkay	bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day
22:29	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre yes.
22:30	TestingUnoDosTre	I see the numbers etc
22:30	mircea_popescu	as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.
22:30	TestingUnoDosTre	but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not
22:30	BingoBoingo	BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything
22:30	mircea_popescu	Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>sooo, drumroll!
22:30	mircea_popescu	Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
22:30	mircea_popescu	sadly public logs don't go that far.
22:30	bitcoinpete	benkay: remembered!
22:30	mircea_popescu	(jan 2013)
22:31	benkay	cya, bitcoinpete
22:32	benkay	;;ud kipping
22:32	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kipping | kipping. A form of cheating while doing pull-ups, whereby and individual struggling to do another abruptly jerks the knees upward to provide extra lift and remove ...
22:32	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: kipping
22:33	mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1758473/
22:33	ozbot	dpaste: #1758473
22:33	mircea_popescu	there.
22:33	benkay	anduck lolzolzozl
22:33	mircea_popescu	meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,
22:33	mircea_popescu	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-26/citigroup-fails-fed-stress-test-as-goldman-bofa-modify-plans.html
22:33	ozbot	Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg
22:34	BingoBoingo	At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test
22:34	benkay	wait, mpoe survived?!
22:35	chetty	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-usa-casinos-moneylaundering-idUSBREA2P1P120140326
22:35	ozbot	Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources
22:35	BingoBoingo	benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave
22:35	benkay	no, there are no options on sale.
22:35	benkay	this is distinct from the bot quoting.
22:35	BingoBoingo	benkay: There can be if you write them
22:35	benkay	wat rly?
22:36	mircea_popescu	notrly.
22:36	benkay	mircea_popescu: confirm?
22:36	benkay	ya I TO JOO
22:36	mircea_popescu	not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out
22:36	benkay	ahahahahahahahahah
22:36	benkay	oh my sides
22:36	benkay	yeah if you think you can beat mp
22:36	benkay	feel free to mm options in btc
22:36	benkay	gl kids
22:36	BingoBoingo	And MPOE is alive
22:37	benkay	the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive
22:37	benkay	the options emporium, eh
22:37	benkay	do forgive my pedantry.
22:37	nubbins`	!t m s.mpoe
22:37	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009316 / 0.00094411 / 0.0009529 (235357 shares, 222.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00080946 / 0.00093157 / 0.00096 (4496923 shares, 4,189.22 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085903 / 0.00096 (30475036 shares, 26,179.27 BTC)
22:37	mircea_popescu	benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?
22:37	BingoBoingo	The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves
22:37	mircea_popescu	and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures."
22:38	benkay	with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo
22:38	mircea_popescu	it is now the pimporium.
22:38	BingoBoingo	benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.
22:38	nubbins`	m-pop
22:38	Mats_cd03	somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled
22:38	benkay	koan me baby
22:38	benkay	koan sweetly in my ear
22:39	Mats_cd03	can someone explain that?
22:39	velly	hey guys
22:39	benkay	options were confusing
22:39	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.
22:39	benkay	no confusion -> more easily determined price?
22:39	benkay	iono. ask de massah
22:40	benkay	hey velly, what's news
22:40	BingoBoingo	Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.
22:40	Mats_cd03	i see
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440003 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
22:41	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets
22:41	gribble	The operation succeeded.
22:41	mircea_popescu	very airy.
22:41	asciilifeform	commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.
22:41	velly	sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it
22:41	chetty	http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/mind-your-manners-ocean-city-to-post-no-profanity-signs/
22:41	ozbot	Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore
22:41	benkay	oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing
22:41	benkay	talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao
22:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}
22:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0544001 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2}
22:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
22:42	mircea_popescu	the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!
22:42	mircea_popescu	check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.
22:42	asciilifeform	lol
22:42	asciilifeform	i'm not much of a pediwikist, no.
22:42	mircea_popescu	previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum
22:42	mircea_popescu	more flattered, i could not be.
22:42	asciilifeform	lolmatic
22:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
22:43	mircea_popescu	velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc.
22:43	mircea_popescu	mpoe isn't going anywhere.
22:43	velly	ok sounds good
22:43	velly	where do I start
22:43	mircea_popescu	here. the log is in the topic
22:43	mircea_popescu	you can read that backwards, it's enlightening
22:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40
22:44	mircea_popescu	man sounds ancient.
22:44	BingoBoingo	;;ident BingoBoingo
22:44	velly	the irc log?
22:44	asciilifeform	he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect
22:44	mircea_popescu	velly yes
22:45	asciilifeform	the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.
22:45	velly	seems a bit dry...
22:45	asciilifeform	found dead at his console, i believe.
22:45	mircea_popescu	"In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."
22:45	mircea_popescu	such a waste of champagne
22:45	BingoBoingo	Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?
22:45	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes there was.
22:46	mircea_popescu	but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.
22:46	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.
22:46	mircea_popescu	so in that case maybe put together something ?
22:46	BingoBoingo	Lemme GPG and paste the credentials
22:47	velly	anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...
22:47	asciilifeform	quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml'
22:47	TestingUnoDosTre	<velly> here https://coinbr.com/about
22:47	mircea_popescu	velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.
22:47	BingoBoingo	velly: Stuff is being worked on.
22:48	asciilifeform	he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow
22:48	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for.
22:48	TestingUnoDosTre	who are you guys talking about meow?
22:48	*	MisterE velly: a bit of infos here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/
22:48	asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009.
22:49	velly	thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.
22:49	mircea_popescu	velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :
22:49	asciilifeform	lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer
22:49	mircea_popescu	the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.
22:50	velly	you're not a stranger :)
22:50	asciilifeform	how's that
22:50	mircea_popescu	they can't be fucking serious lmao
22:51	velly	but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs
22:51	Apocalyptic	you don't have to read all of it at once you know
22:51	mircea_popescu	" Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"
22:51	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing
22:52	velly	it goes on for months
22:52	mircea_popescu	i wonder what he is could also having problems for.
22:52	mircea_popescu	velly years, actually.
22:52	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.
22:52	velly	not everyone has time for that
22:53	velly	seems like there are better sources for the information
22:53	velly	I don't want your judgement
22:53	velly	I just want to know where to start to inform myself
22:53	chetty	the log with the reuters interview would be a good start
22:53	velly	how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?
22:53	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste
22:53	mircea_popescu	lol
22:54	mircea_popescu	velly you can't.
22:54	mircea_popescu	which is part of your problem.
22:54	mircea_popescu	chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.
22:55	velly	so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion
22:55	BingoBoingo	velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable
22:55	mircea_popescu	that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.
22:56	chetty	the interview log has a lot of good links
22:56	asciilifeform	answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.
22:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time
22:56	asciilifeform	surely.
22:56	mircea_popescu	among them, making paper out of celophane
22:56	mircea_popescu	(it can be done)
22:57	velly	I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.
22:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00094468 = 22.2 BTC [+]
22:58	mircea_popescu	the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.
22:58	mircea_popescu	so it's always a sorting problem.
22:59	velly	well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v
22:59	mircea_popescu	that's the point :D
22:59	mircea_popescu	i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.
23:00	asciilifeform	i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.
23:00	mircea_popescu	not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"
23:02	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.
23:02	asciilifeform	the 'beetle type'
23:02	mircea_popescu	people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.
23:02	mircea_popescu	where is that lion tamer schetch
23:02	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y
23:02	ozbot	Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube
23:02	mircea_popescu	there we go
23:03	asciilifeform	who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.
23:03	mircea_popescu	incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ?
23:03	asciilifeform	they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy
23:03	mircea_popescu	very young monroe,
23:04	mircea_popescu	very powerful davis, splendid george sanders
23:04	nubbins`	sea of love was good
23:04	asciilifeform	'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian
23:05	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is.
23:05	mircea_popescu	but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.
23:05	mircea_popescu	consider greenspun's earlier point :
23:06	benkay	velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest
23:06	benkay	it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger
23:06	mircea_popescu	"This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"
23:06	mircea_popescu	his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."
23:06	mircea_popescu	but maybe that's only part of the problem.
23:07	mircea_popescu	maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...
23:07	mircea_popescu	... we.... we cant die.
23:07	asciilifeform	there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.
23:07	BingoBoingo	I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.
23:07	mircea_popescu	i believe it is fear of death.
23:07	BingoBoingo	TA'd for them
23:08	asciilifeform	beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive
23:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23808 @ 0.00094537 = 22.5074 BTC [+] {2}
23:08	asciilifeform	he already knows what he sums to - zero
23:08	mircea_popescu	don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...
23:08	BingoBoingo	They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day
23:08	mircea_popescu	it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you
23:08	mircea_popescu	and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones.
23:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ?
23:10	Mats_cd03	og
23:10	cazalla	that's like half my wardrobe
23:10	nubbins`	^ heh
23:10	cazalla	but i'm aussie so it goes without saying
23:10	nubbins`	the other half being a pair of pants?
23:10	mircea_popescu	a pinskirt ?
23:11	mircea_popescu	wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.
23:11	cazalla	if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt
23:12	moiety	i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o
23:12	mircea_popescu	moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl.
23:13	asciilifeform	possible revelance to beetle men discussion:
23:13	asciilifeform	;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations
23:13	gribble	Home | moralfoundations.org: <http://www.moralfoundations.org/>; Jonathan Haidt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt>; Moral Foundations Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory>
23:13	asciilifeform	see 'purity'
23:14	asciilifeform	(tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations)
23:14	mircea_popescu	"b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."
23:14	mircea_popescu	wait wait... the plot thickens
23:14	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt
23:14	mircea_popescu	i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.
23:14	moiety	asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.
23:15	asciilifeform	moiety: pet the manul (tm)
23:15	mircea_popescu	(with a black shoe)
23:15	MisterE	LMAO: http://i.imgur.com/xbmzqYp.gif
23:15	mircea_popescu	http://www.yourmorals.org/ym_dinner_2011.jpg why do people today look like a bunch of dorks
23:15	mircea_popescu	no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?
23:16	asciilifeform	MisterE: if i recall, from same: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif
23:17	mircea_popescu	"1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."
23:17	mircea_popescu	there's no such dislike of pain in others.
23:17	mircea_popescu	"2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."
23:17	mircea_popescu	pfff
23:17	mircea_popescu	just add global warming and stir.
23:18	mircea_popescu	it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.
23:18	BingoBoingo	This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/
23:18	moiety	MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR
23:18	mircea_popescu	red on blue, always a good choice.
23:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.
23:19	Apocalyptic	moar contrast needed
23:19	asciilifeform	admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.
23:19	moiety	aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo
23:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 478 @ 0.00267085 = 1.2767 BTC [-] {8}
23:19	mircea_popescu	moiety http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg
23:20	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"
23:20	BingoBoingo	moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html
23:20	mircea_popescu	wherein of course martini is not a vermouth.
23:20	asciilifeform	;;borges chinese encyclopaedia
23:20	gribble	Error: "borges" is not a valid command.
23:20	asciilifeform	;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia
23:20	gribble	Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevolent_Knowledge>; Borges' Encyclopedia - Multics: <http://www.multicians.org/thvv/borges-animals.html>; Preface to The Order of Things - Serendip: <http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/sci_cult/evolit/s05/prefaceOrderFoucault.pdf>
23:21	asciilifeform	imho not entirely useless.
23:21	MisterE	ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools
23:22	asciilifeform	MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?
23:22	MisterE	also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security
23:23	MisterE	:)
23:23	punkman1	http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676
23:23	ozbot	[1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox
23:23	mircea_popescu	you say that as if it were a bad thing.
23:23	rithm	These jokes are so high brow
23:23	mircea_popescu	an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.
23:24	mircea_popescu	punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?
23:24	punkman1	mircea_popescu: seems like it
23:24	MisterE	there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate
23:25	moiety	BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?
23:25	BingoBoingo	moiety: I'll decline to comment.
23:27	benkay	mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.
23:28	BingoBoingo	Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes
23:29	BingoBoingo	moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then
23:29	MisterE	http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/03/we-may-have-witnessed-nsa-shotgiant-tao.html
23:29	ozbot	Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action
23:29	*	moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo
23:30	MisterE	benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff
23:30	BingoBoingo	moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful
23:30	mircea_popescu	punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.
23:31	mircea_popescu	benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.
23:31	moiety	BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics
23:32	punkman1	mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release
23:32	punkman1	someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have
23:32	mircea_popescu	indeed.
23:33	mircea_popescu	do we know who they are ?
23:33	BingoBoingo	moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once
23:33	punkman1	Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich
23:33	punkman1	*Decker
23:33	BingoBoingo	;;gettrust chatquack
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04779799 = 0.1912 BTC [+] {3}
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05421 = 0.1626 BTC [-] {2}
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2}
23:33	MisterE	I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency
23:35	punkman1	"However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."
23:35	mircea_popescu	Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ?
23:36	MisterE	punkman1: where you reading?
23:36	punkman1	MisterE: the paper I linked
23:37	mircea_popescu	http://www.dcg.ethz.ch/contact.html there we go
23:37	ozbot	Distributed Computing Group
23:37	*	MisterE scrolls up
23:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094452 = 6.4227 BTC [-]
23:37	BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/26/americans_are_skipping_the_bank_reconsider_that_career_as_a_bank_teller.html
23:37	ozbot	Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.
23:39	moiety	http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/irish-banks-refuse-to-let-bitcoin-firm-open-account-30128988.html
23:39	ozbot	Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie
23:40	BingoBoingo	What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account
23:40	moiety	thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways
23:40	moiety	also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."
23:42	mircea_popescu	anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.
23:42	BingoBoingo	lol
23:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0061 = 0.671 BTC [-] {2}
23:43	moiety	sleep well mircea_popescu
23:49	MisterE	later famous dude
23:49	CheckDavid	How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework?
23:50	BingoBoingo	CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange
23:50	MisterE	cowboys and indians
23:50	CheckDavid	Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?
23:50	CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain
23:50	CheckDavid	Can you give some examples?
23:51	MisterE	MP owns most of the MPEx chares?
23:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00094593 = 8.8444 BTC [+] {2}
23:51	MisterE	shares*
23:51	BingoBoingo	Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.
23:52	CheckDavid	Thingies ?
23:52	BingoBoingo	MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on Trilema numerous articles detailing their legal prep.
23:52	CheckDavid	They should have practiced safe sex
23:52	BingoBoingo	CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.
23:53	CheckDavid	I see.
23:53	CheckDavid	Very poetical
23:55	CheckDavid	I was thinking about funding a business
23:55	CheckDavid	A startup
23:55	CheckDavid	Not sure about the best option
23:55	punkman	CheckDavid: ninjashogun?
23:55	CheckDavid	I am not him. But it is related yes
23:56	punkman	I mean are you gonna fund him
23:56	BingoBoingo	Related in what way?
23:56	CheckDavid	No. But I am trying to find a way to.
23:56	CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: the subject is related
23:57	CheckDavid	I an talking about the same business as he wad
23:57	CheckDavid	Was
23:57	BingoBoingo	I dunno that he ever revealed a subject
23:57	punkman	"stealth mode"
23:57	CheckDavid	Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either
23:58	BingoBoingo	A something, hardware. Nothing more specific.
23:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19103 @ 0.00094619 = 18.0751 BTC [+] {3}
23:59	CheckDavid	Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics

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